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You'll also get exclusive bonus episodes throughout the season. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: For more information, check out the show notes enjoy the episode. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: Barnie and Betty Hill are two of many Americans who 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: claim to have seen an unidentified flying objects, and two 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: perhaps one hundred, who claimed to have been aboard a 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: flying saucer. 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: Want this on my lapel? 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 4: Yes? 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Please? 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: I'll never forget that day. I was thirteen years old 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty one when Betty and Barney were abducted. 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: My mother was on the phone with Betty. My mother 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: was concerned, and I knew that something was wrong. When 17 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: she hung up the phone, she told me Betty and 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Barney had seen a flying saucer up close the night before. 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: They were afraid they'd been contaminated. 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to High Strange. On September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one, 21 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: newlyweds Betty and Barney Hill were traveling along US Route 22 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: three in the mountains of New Hampshire. What transpired that 23 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: night would forever shape the horror sci fi genre of 24 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: alien abductions in pop culture. 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: I'm going to start out telling you about my capture, 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 5: which happened on September nineteenth, nineteen sixty one. 27 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: This is Betty sharing her story at the International U 28 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: of FO Congress in nineteen seventy seven. 29 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 5: On that night, my husband, Barney and I were returning 30 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 5: from Montreal. We left there a late afternoon and Bonnie 31 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 5: and I was having a very pleasant drive home to Fortsmouth, 32 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 5: New Hampshire. All of a sudden, I saw what I 33 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 5: thought with a new star in the sky. It began 34 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 5: to move zig zaggy, going up and down, spinning. This 35 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 5: object left the top of the mountain, came out over 36 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 5: the highway directly in front of the car and stopped. 37 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 5: Bonnie decided he's going to get out and identify this object, 38 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 5: so he took the binoculars and stepped away from the car, 39 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 5: and when he did, the object shifted out over the field. 40 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 5: Bonnie walked towards it, looking up and he say human 41 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 5: like figures standing in the window looking down at him. 42 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 5: And at that moment the craft began to descend and 43 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 5: Barney panicked, feeling they planned to capture him. He came 44 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 5: tearing back to the cap saying, we had to get 45 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: out of there. They were going to capture us. 46 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: I was thirteen years old in nineteen sixty one when 47 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: Betty and Barney were abducted. 48 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: This is Betty and Barney Hill's niece, Kathleen Martin. 49 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: Betty and Barney had seen a flying saucer up close 50 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: the night before. They were afraid they'd been contaminated. We 51 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: had a neighbor who was a physicist, and my mother 52 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: said that she would call him to ask what else 53 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: they might do. They had already taken long showers, they 54 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: had put their suitcases outside, They threw all the food away, 55 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: so they were taking a lot of precautions, worried that 56 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: they might have been contaminated by this craft that came 57 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: within one hundred feet of them. I was just terrified. 58 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 6: What were you afraid of? 59 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: The think being taken? I was afraid of being taken. 60 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,559 Speaker 3: When I was sixteen years old, Betty and Barney had 61 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: sessions with neuropsychiatrists doctor Benjamin Simon. They would stop at 62 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: my home and my grandparents' home across the street on 63 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: the way home from doctor Simon's office in Boston, Massachusetts. 64 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: They talked about the ets, about what they did to them, 65 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: a little bit about the communication. There was a lot 66 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: of evidence torn dress, shiny spots on the trunk of 67 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: the vehicle that had a magnetic field, watches that had 68 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: broken and never ran again, binocular strap broken, Betty's dress 69 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: was torn in several places. All of those things were 70 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 3: a mystery, but sort of with my scientific mind, I 71 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: was interested in all of that and how it might 72 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 3: have happened. 73 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 1: Over the course of this episode, I'm going to unpack 74 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: all the details of the Betty and Barney Hill incident, 75 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: including the horroring tape of their recollection of this alleged encounter. 76 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: And I'll also say I completely understand how absolutely insane 77 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: this stuff sounds. Even as I sit here right now. 78 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: It can so easily just sound preposterous to me. So 79 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: before we dive in super deep, I want to highlight 80 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: some of the things that make this case incredibly harder 81 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: to just blindly dismiss the physical evidence. After extensive investigation, 82 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: it was learned that both Betty and Barney experienced several 83 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: physical changes that night. Betty's blue dress she was wearing 84 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: was badly damaged. It was ripped in multiple places and 85 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: covered in some kind of pink powder that left stains. 86 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: The tops of Barney's shoes were scraped, and the strap 87 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: on his binoculars was also broken, and both of their 88 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: wristwatches stopped working that night. On their car, they found 89 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: weird circular marks on the trunk that were never there before, 90 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: and if you approached it with a compass, it would 91 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: start to spin around all crazy. So whatever happened that night, 92 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: and for as weird and unbelievable as it all may sound, 93 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: this was the result of that or was part of 94 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: some much more elaborate hoax. 95 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 7: Well as a gentleman the name of doctor Benjamin Simon. 96 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 7: He's a psychiatrist in the Boston area, and he was 97 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 7: called on to ended you psychoanalyze and if the die 98 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 7: Betty Dell and Bonnydill, welcome doctor Silon to our program. 99 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 6: Doctor Silon. 100 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 8: Yes, this stop from the beginning. 101 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 7: When did you first ended the story of Benny and Barnie, 102 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 7: don't you? 103 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 6: Late sixty three? 104 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 7: They were hunting in they lived a two hours or so, 105 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 7: which seemed to bother them, but to which they could 106 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 7: not account. 107 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 9: Well. 108 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 7: Bonnie's shiptims had begun just after they had this. Opposed 109 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 7: of fighting, Betty had responded by a series of means 110 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 7: extending over a week or more or at night marriage quality. 111 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 7: They had no idea what had happened, if anything, during 112 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 7: these two hours. 113 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: What should have been a relaxing drive in the middle 114 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: of the night on their way home from a delayed honeymoon, 115 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: was interrupted by something extremely eerie. As Betty looked out 116 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: the passenger side window, she saw a bright object in 117 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: the sky, moving sporadically. At first, Betty thought it was 118 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: a star, then Barney thought I was a satellite. Eventually 119 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: they became so curious Barney pulled the car over to 120 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: get a better look at it. He stepped out of 121 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: the car and grabbed his binoculars from the back seat, 122 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: and when he looked up, he couldn't believe what he 123 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: was seeing. Barney claims to have seen a large craft 124 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: hovering just a few hundred feet in the sky. It 125 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: was extremely bright and made no noise. On the front 126 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: of it was a long row of curved windows, and 127 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: he could see inside the craft. He saw what looked 128 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: like beings standing around and moving about the craft's interior, 129 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: looking right at him. 130 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 8: He was horrified. 131 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Almost instantly, he ran back to the car and sped 132 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: off in a panic. Betty and Barney both initially remembered 133 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: a haze coming over them, and what they described as 134 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: a strange series of beeping sounds. 135 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 8: And then abruptly a jump in time. 136 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: When they came to they were still driving, but the 137 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: first road sign they saw indicated they were over thirty 138 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: five miles away. 139 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 8: From just moments ago. 140 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: This missing time they experienced bothered the both of them. 141 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: Here's Betty Hill again explaining the instance of lost time 142 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: that both her and Barney experienced. 143 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 5: He put the car into GEA and we went speeding 144 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 5: down the highway. Barney said, when he came back, the 145 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 5: craft had followed and was now over the car. 146 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 10: So I looked up. 147 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 5: I looked out the window. All I could see was 148 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 5: something black, and at that point there was a series 149 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 5: of b being clowns and the car vibrated, and Bonnie 150 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 5: and I stopped talking. We drove along. There were spots 151 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 5: that I recognized they were familiar to me. Bonnie left 152 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 5: Root three, he turned on to Route one seventy five 153 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 5: and was still speeding along when all of a sudden, 154 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 5: Bonny slammed on the brakes, the car came to a 155 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 5: screeching halt. The next thing that I could remember, we're 156 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 5: back on RUT three, And I said to Barney, do 157 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 5: you believe been flying sauces? And Bonnie said, don't be ridiculous. 158 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 7: Barney and Betty gave the same story, and that the 159 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 7: dory was besides the like the story that had been 160 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 7: written up by the NYCAP investigator, there were no significant difference. 161 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 7: In fact, factually no differences between the three did they 162 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 7: gave consciously, They gave the exactly the thing story. There 163 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 7: was no difference that they both shared the same experience. 164 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 11: All the way. 165 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: They were visited by officers from the Air Force who 166 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: questioned them about the missing time. They seemed to really 167 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: push on that particular part of the story. How could 168 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: you travel thirty five miles with no memory of it? 169 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: The officers also inquired about nitrates, but the only thing 170 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: the Hills could think of that was strange in their 171 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: car was a few shotgun shells from Barney's gun and 172 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: a bag of bone meal fertilizer in the trunk. I 173 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: guess if you're looking for ways to rationally explain some 174 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: hallucination maybe accidentally ingesting. 175 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 8: This stuff could cause it. Either way, they were reaching 176 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 8: for anything that made sense. 177 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: They had six months of hypnosis sessions with doctor Benjamin Simon. 178 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: At times both of them were so distressed over what 179 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: was occurring that he feared that it might increase the 180 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: level of trauma, so he wanted to work through them 181 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: on reducing that level of trauma. In the beginning, he 182 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: took them separately, and he reinstated amnesia at the end 183 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: of each session so they couldn't share information. 184 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: During World War II, doctor Benjamin Simon served as the 185 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: Army's chief of Neuropsychiatry. He used something called regression therapy 186 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: more commonly known today as hypnosis in an attempt to 187 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: extract more detail from their alleged encounter. In regression therapy 188 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: sessions like this one, doctor Simon guides the PA and 189 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: points them towards the source of their traumas very deep 190 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: in their subconscious. 191 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 12: For sleep. You will unfeed anxious war is fat, but 192 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 12: he will remember everything, and you will tell me everything. 193 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 6: Yes. 194 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: Through several months of sessions, he slowly helped Betty and 195 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Barney Hill remember what happened during their lost time. 196 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 12: Betty said, look, there's the thar moving. And then I 197 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 12: pulled over to the side of the road. Betty passed 198 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 12: his binoculars to meet. You can see the rows of waidows. 199 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 12: All right. He can't hear any sound. You don't sound whatever. Alright, 200 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 12: he tad no noise. I want to hear a jet. 201 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 12: Why do you want to hear a jet? Because Betty 202 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 12: is making me mad because he shined it. 203 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 6: Look at that. 204 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 12: It's straining that it's not a plane. Look at it, 205 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 12: and I keep thinking it's got to be. 206 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: Since these events, both Betty and Barney Hill have passed away, 207 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: even though they lived in the Northeast. This was during 208 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: the height of the civil rights movement, and because Betty 209 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: and Barney Hill were an interracial couple, they did not 210 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: want to be in the spotlight for their abduction story, 211 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: so they didn't even discuss it with their friends. The 212 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: story only became public after a reporter for the Boston 213 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: Globe got a hold of some notes that a UFO 214 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: researcher took while interviewing them in confidentiality. Barney states that 215 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: the object in the sky was making no noise. He 216 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: also claimed to experience some sort of time loss today 217 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. These are all familiar themes we've 218 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: heard when it comes to UFO sightings. But the interesting 219 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: part of this is how long ago it happened. This 220 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: was in nineteen sixty one, so over seventy years now, 221 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: and it's one of the first major claims of an 222 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: alien abduction on record in American history. 223 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 8: So you could argue that either. 224 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: The concept of time loss and hovering crafts that make 225 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: no sound all started right here and then evolved into 226 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: pop culture in such a way that literally hundreds of 227 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: other people in the years following began applying the same 228 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: idea to their own claims, or that whatever they did 229 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: experience that night truly involved those things. 230 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 8: Either way, it started right here. 231 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: If Betty and Barney Hill were making all this up 232 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: or simply hallucinating, then they still literally created the concept 233 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: of time loss and aircrafts that don't make noise. Maybe 234 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: they did truly experience this and everyone else is making 235 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: up their stories and were simply influenced by Betty and 236 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Barney Hill, Or maybe there's a legitimate common thread here. 237 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: The following is the tape from Betty and Barney Hill's 238 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: regression therapy sessions and I must warn you it is 239 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: very intense and may be triggering for some people. Listener 240 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: discretion is advised. One more warning about the intensity of 241 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: the tape you're about to hear. 242 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 10: I've got to get my gug. 243 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 9: All right, definitely calm now way back, you see we 244 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 9: lack you will not have to make in the outside. 245 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: At this point in the tape, Barney again becomes overwhelmed 246 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: with fear and anxiety. This is actually why he started 247 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: seeing a psychiatrist in the first place. Ever since he 248 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: saw this UFO, he'd been plagued with severe anxiety, and 249 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: his first psychiatrist couldn't figure it out until he met 250 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: doctor Simon. 251 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 12: Keeps his memory, you feel you have to get your 252 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 12: gune its fund. 253 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 7: Of harm, and you sell. 254 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 6: I how couldn't the tncle might come? 255 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 12: Did I get it? 256 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 6: Did I get back into calm? 257 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 12: Did I put it? 258 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 5: Did I call it? 259 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 4: Is it? 260 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 13: I get out. 261 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 12: Where the bonca is? 262 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 10: I walk it out. 263 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 12: And I because the road never even it up there 264 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 12: anything now I know and there plus we did to 265 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 12: sing it. But it's not going to hurt you. 266 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 4: Go on. 267 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 12: I can see it chilts toward me, tilted as much 268 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 12: does it looks like Now when you say tilted, did 269 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 12: you see it? 270 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 10: Looks like a big handcake. 271 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 12: With windows and lights and rolls of windows like a 272 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 12: commercial clinging. They're not like a commercial plane because they 273 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 12: curved around to the size of this pancake. Green eyes 274 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 12: are there always, the eyes are there, and they're telling 275 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 12: me I don't have. 276 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 10: To be afraid. 277 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 12: How did you see these figures so clearly as that district. 278 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 12: I was looking at him with binoculars. Yeah, his eyes 279 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 12: were planted. 280 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 10: I see it. 281 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 6: Oh his eyes head did this. 282 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 12: Creature, this leader is telling me something? How how did 283 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 12: he getting it to you? I can see it in 284 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 12: his spades? 285 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 7: You would see you move? 286 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 12: Yes, now the tip start moving's going. He's telling you 287 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 12: something and he's looking at me. How could you'd be doing? 288 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 12: He was telling you that guy there was the guys 289 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 12: you more. What did he tell you? Stay there and 290 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 12: keep looking? That's keep looking and stay there and just 291 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 12: keep looking. 292 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 6: Yes, just keep looking? He could you hear eachell? Oh, 293 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 6: I got a pulling pinoculars. Wait for my eyes because 294 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 6: if I don't, I'll. 295 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 12: Just keep staying there. Look you heary tell you that? 296 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 10: Oh? 297 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 12: No, he didn't say it. 298 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 6: You felt you tell it. 299 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 7: I know you did. 300 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, stay there, he saying to you, I'll taking my 301 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 6: head and pulled up a dock. 302 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 12: Little boy, God give me his tread all right, dun't 303 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 12: work job, give me dake. 304 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 6: I gotta get away. 305 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 12: All right, Calm down, I'm getting. 306 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: So what was it that Barney was actually looking at 307 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: through the binoculars. According to him, it was like whatever 308 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: he was seeing was communicating with him from up in 309 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: the sky. Barney got back in the car and drove 310 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: down the road with Betty in the passenger seat to 311 00:19:59,359 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: get out of there. 312 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 12: They sleep a little over. Ounce we'll get put all right. 313 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 6: I don't have to be agreed. But they won't. 314 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 12: Talk to me. Who won't talk to you? The man 315 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 12: they are standing in the road, is there an accident 316 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 12: down the road? 317 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: They stumbled upon a strange roadblock out in the middle 318 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: of nowhere. 319 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 6: Where are you? 320 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 12: You're in the car? I sat a good food ran 321 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 12: and they were standing in that highway, and I say, strange. 322 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 12: I am only thinking of mental pictures because my eyes 323 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 12: are cold, and I think I am going. 324 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 4: Up. 325 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 1: Doctor Benjamin Simon's process was a slow one, but throughout 326 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: six months of therapy, he was able to piece together 327 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: the whole story of the roadblock, with Bonnie only remembering 328 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: pieces of it at a time. 329 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 12: I don't want to be operating. You don't want to 330 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 12: be operated on? What makes you think of an operation? 331 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 12: I was thinking about this, and I was lying on 332 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 12: my stomach pit looking with each end of the road. 333 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 12: At what point did they played? They took me and 334 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 12: carried me this ramp. I was playing on the table 335 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 12: and my client was opening, and I thought, are putting 336 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 12: a pepper around my prior tribes. If I keep real 337 00:21:54,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 12: quiet and you're real still, I won't think hard and 338 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 12: it will be over. 339 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: In all these sessions, Barney never fully remembers what happened 340 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: on the table he. 341 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 8: Was put on. 342 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 12: I opened my eyes and there's the car and the 343 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 12: lights are on and it is not running, and I 344 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 12: see Betty is coming down the raid. He gets him 345 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 12: to the car, and I am grinning at her, and 346 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 12: she is grinning back at me, and we both seem 347 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 12: so elated. How funny, I have no reason to fair. 348 00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 12: And we look with him, and I think a bright moan, 349 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 12: and I laugh and say, well, there it goes. I 350 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 12: never believed in flying starters, but I don't know. 351 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 6: I don't know where they came from. 352 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 12: You wish you had gone with them? 353 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 6: Yes? 354 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 12: Well, yeah, very interesting coats some distant plant. All right, 355 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 12: they'll stop there. It'll be calm and relaxed. You'll forget 356 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 12: everything we have had on me until I asked you 357 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 12: to recall it again. 358 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 6: And they wait down? 359 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 11: Wow, I can't little to three? 360 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 6: Can you bring me in here? 361 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 7: Ten minutes? 362 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 6: Top three? 363 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 10: Yes, how do you hail? 364 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 6: All right? Don't continue that. 365 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 10: We wait from today. 366 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: Just like Barney, Betty underwent her own hypnosis sessions. The 367 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: anxiety that Betty was experiencing came in the form of 368 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: vivid dreams, and these started immediately after the night of 369 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: the incident. 370 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 10: I don't know where we are. 371 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 6: Hell, don't you even know how? 372 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 14: I'm just assure you feeling your so that happens. I'm 373 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 14: not really sed to afraid. 374 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 10: Why are you crying if you're not afraid? I was 375 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 10: afraid when I thought the bit of the rose, the 376 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 10: man in the rope. 377 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 6: Tell me about the men in the mass. 378 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 10: That's all right, now, you're safe here. Tell me about 379 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 10: the men in the roads. We went out of this 380 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 10: narrow road. It was these men. 381 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 6: Standing in the highway. 382 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 10: He sat the casts. These fatis would come up to 383 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 10: this pass. 384 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 6: I get real scared. 385 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 10: Fannie tried to fat the cast. He did what did 386 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 10: he try to? Sat the car at walk fats just 387 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 10: the opposite cat doors. 388 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: Go off. 389 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 10: You can remember everything, though, he says, don't be afraid. 390 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 10: You don't form any reason to be afraid. Went not 391 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 10: great to pause you. 392 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 4: We just wanted to use the path with a champ 393 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 4: of rope, which would take you a Saudi back it 394 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 4: put you with your cass. 395 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 10: You'll be I give way. These mens focutingh he had 396 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 10: an accent. 397 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 6: He's a dish an ex So there was Jeff's orgy. 398 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 10: We came to that's clearing. The object was on the grab. 399 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 10: The object was on the room. 400 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was a state. 401 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 14: What I was watching in the sky. 402 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: The same craft that she saw in the sky was 403 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: now on the ground and the clearing. And according to Betty, 404 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: she was being guided by these men towards a ramp 405 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: leading up into the object. 406 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 6: They're taking me up to the as. 407 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 10: They had a lot of I don't know what's going 408 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 10: to happen. I don't want to coach. I go up 409 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 10: the ramp. 410 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 15: That I go inside. There's a roue and not a man. 411 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 15: Hevin's end, but he tells me to any goshomery to ask. 412 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 10: Kind of in the middle of the room is its tables. 413 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 10: I lie down and the extrav. 414 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 6: Has a little needle in his hand. 415 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 10: This video that anythner I've ever seens. I asked him 416 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 10: what he starts to fill with this, and he that 417 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 10: he just wants to. 418 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 4: Foot it in my fadle. I don't, I know it 419 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 4: will hurt. Oh still, so it's so anything. 420 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 10: I paid my face and I'm crying, and I tell 421 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 10: her to get hurting, and that leaders so. 422 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 14: As this s foot of my eyes and he says, 423 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 14: I'll be all. 424 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 10: Right, I won't seal it, and all the case goes away. 425 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 10: I asked the leader, I said, why did they shake 426 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 10: the fatlet nagel? 427 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 14: And he said it was a pregnancy sis. I don't 428 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 14: know what they expected, but that was no fregnancy fist. 429 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: The rational question starts to become is she just remembering 430 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: a nightmare or is she being haunted by fragmented memories 431 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: of something that actually happened. What's interesting, though, is that 432 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: either version of this is totally bizarre. If she was 433 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: of sound mind, like everyone who knew her has said. 434 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: For her to be to abruptly experience vivid, lifelike dreams 435 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: that perfectly matched that of her husband's too well, science 436 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: can't really explain that very well either. And on the 437 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: other hand, if it were all true and she was 438 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: actually led into a spacecraft that night, that's pretty damn weird. Two, 439 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: And you also can't discount the physical evidence Betty's dress 440 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: that was badly ripped and stained, the tops of Barney's 441 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: shoes that were scraped up, the strap on. 442 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 8: His binoculars that was broken. 443 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: Both of their wristwatches stopped working, weird circular marks on 444 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: the truck of their car that would make a compass 445 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: spin if you got close to it. These things are real, 446 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: and they're heavily documented. So even if you want to 447 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: say they just made all this up, you'd have to 448 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: also add in that they elaborately staged this thing too, 449 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: or they did experience something real and physical that wasn't 450 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: an alien spacecraft and all these physical changes were a 451 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: result of it. The bottom line is, there aren't many 452 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: cases in modern history that are this hard to make 453 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: sense of. Something happened that night and over seventy years later, 454 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: there isn't one good, single explanation for any of it. 455 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 11: We have heard the extraordinary personal story of Barney and 456 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 11: Betty Hill, and a much broader discussion of the phenomenon 457 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 11: of UFOs by a panel of authorities, some of whom 458 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 11: insists there are no visitors from outer space, some of 459 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 11: whom are skeptical, and some of whom believe that the 460 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 11: only explanation to fit the facts is that there are 461 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 11: extra terrestrial visitors. Unidentified flying objects demands serious and immediate 462 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 11: scientific attention. We would recommend one an immediate study in 463 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 11: depth by university teams, two a pattern analysis by computer 464 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 11: of existing data, and three the establishment of a UFO 465 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 11: research center staffed by competent scientists. For ridicule is no 466 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 11: longer appropriate. 467 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: Here's Avi Lobe, professor of science at Harvard University. 468 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 13: The reports from government are interesting because the most juicy 469 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 13: data must be classified. 470 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: He started a program called the Galileo Project to study 471 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: UAPs after first contacting NASA to see if they could 472 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: work together. He never got a reply, so instead of 473 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: waiting around, he embarked on his own nonprofit scientific endeavor. 474 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: He's raised over two million dollars to fund their team's research. 475 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 13: The sky is not classified. The data is classified just 476 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 13: because the sensors used to collect it are classified. It's 477 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 13: very intriguing that people high up in the chain of command, 478 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 13: the head of NASA, Director of National Intelligence, not these 479 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 13: things that appear to be intriguing. And I think what 480 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 13: we need to do is collect new data. That's what 481 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 13: the Galileo Project aims to do. 482 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: Their goal is to study UAPs from the ground, launching 483 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: probes in the space to rendezvous with interstellar objects using 484 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: some of the most advanced scientific instruments in the world. 485 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 8: Their ultimate goal. 486 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: Is to learn as much as possible and determine whether 487 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: these objects are natural phenomena or technological in origin from 488 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: another planet out in the universe. 489 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 13: We are designing our own instruments, instruments carried by military 490 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 13: personnel used for national security purposes. The instruments the galie 491 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 13: Low Project is developing. We're designed, we're optimized to detect 492 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 13: such lata. We have full understanding of the doctor's views, 493 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 13: and that's the path forward, rather than waiting for the 494 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 13: government to release classified data. Because you can wait forever, 495 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 13: it may not happen. And I don't want the government 496 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 13: to compromise national security. I don't want them to do that. 497 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 13: The government is not a scientific organization. I think it's 498 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 13: the duty, the civil duty of scientists to help them 499 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 13: figure out what these unidentified objects are. If some are 500 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 13: runs from China, that's for them to study, because that's 501 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 13: a matter of national security. But I'm just looking for 502 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 13: whatever appears to be an outlier that has nothing to 503 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 13: blue with human made objects. The budget that the government 504 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 13: has is larger than any scientific organization. They have access 505 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 13: to sensors and data quality that nobody else has, just 506 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 13: because they are defending the safety of the nation. As 507 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 13: a result, they come across things that have nothing to 508 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 13: blue with national security that could be of scientific value. 509 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 8: During the height of the Cold War, the US was 510 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 8: worried that the Soviets or. 511 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: China would break the Treaty in Place, which banned detonating 512 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: nuclear bombs. In order to try and track this, the 513 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: US entail a variety of sensors on multiple spacecraft, and 514 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: as a result, they detected occasional bursts of gamma rays. 515 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: Thinking at first they were from Russia, they dug deeper 516 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: into the data and realized that these gamma rays were 517 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: actually coming from distant galaxies. 518 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 13: They brought it to the attention of Pipelet Los Alamos 519 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 13: that are also astronomers, and there was a scientific paper 520 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 13: written by the group at Los Alamos basically saying these 521 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 13: are gamma ray bursts. We don't know what their origin is, 522 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 13: but it's definitely not on Earth. These flashes are coming 523 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 13: from the universe, but not coming from the Russians. Eventually, 524 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 13: it was an Italian Swiss satellite that detected in addition 525 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 13: to the gamma rays, detected also X rays and could 526 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 13: localize in the sky precisely where the flash is coming from. 527 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 13: And then they found a galaxy in that location on 528 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 13: the sky so they could tell the distance. It was 529 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 13: realized these flashes are coming from across the entire universe, 530 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 13: very powerful explosions. This is an example where the government 531 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 13: actually was first to detect an astronomical source of a 532 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 13: new type, most likely a result of a star collapsing. 533 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 13: The star collapses makes a black hole at the center, 534 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 13: and if it's pointed at us, we see it as 535 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 13: a gamma ray flash. What lies outside of our backyard 536 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 13: is not necessarily what we find in our backyard. In 537 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 13: the past decade found the first objects from outside the 538 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 13: Solar System. 539 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 8: Guess what, Three out of the four do. 540 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 13: Not look like the rocks we had seen in the 541 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 13: Solar System, So we should be open minded. We've been 542 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 13: proven wrong. It may well be that some of these 543 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 13: interstellar objects are artificial in origins. 544 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: Abby isn't shy about expressing his distaste for a large 545 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: portion of the science community and how they treat the 546 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: subject of UAPs. In his eyes, he's seen time and 547 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: time again respected peers shying away from the concept of 548 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: et life merely because of the tremendous implications of it all. 549 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 13: In order to adapt to the reality that we live in, 550 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 13: we have to understand it, and that should be common knowledge. 551 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 13: It cannot be restricted to a small. 552 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 6: Group of people. 553 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 16: People like to hear stories of actual sightings. 554 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 8: Here's Leslie Kane. 555 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 16: The Nimetz case, the famous two thousand and four incident 556 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 16: is considered one of the most powerful cases on the 557 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 16: record that we have. 558 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: In November of two thousand and four, the USS Nimetz 559 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier was conducting a training exercise off the coast 560 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: of California. 561 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 8: For six days in a row. 562 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: They detected multiple anomalous aerial vehicles acronym AAVs that were 563 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: operating in their near vicinity, basically foreign objects in the 564 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: sky that shouldn't be there. 565 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 16: I would show on these three videos which have since 566 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 16: become incredibly famous, there's. 567 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 7: A whole fleet. 568 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 6: Have a look on the AFA. 569 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 16: My god, that was stunning to me to see three 570 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 16: videos that were in the possession of the US government 571 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 16: that were taken by Navy pilots of UFOs. We were 572 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 16: the ones that first broke that story into the public domain. 573 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 16: What has now become known as the tictac. 574 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 17: These shaped vehicles basically stalked the aircraft carrier for days. 575 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 8: Here's Brian Bender. 576 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 17: Pilots are flying off the aircraft carrier doing their drills, 577 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 17: and these tictacs are just flying circles around them, flying 578 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 17: at enormously high speeds, speeds that they can't even really 579 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 17: begin to keep up with them if they wanted to. 580 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 8: No sense from any. 581 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 12: Of the radar. 582 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 8: If there's an. 583 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 17: Engine, it's not giving off any heat. Going from the 584 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 17: service of the ocean to seventy thousand feet in a 585 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 17: couple seconds, which would make any aircraft we know blow up. 586 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 4: What is that? 587 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 8: How do they do that? 588 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 12: How were they flying that way? 589 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, the videos were leaked in the massive 590 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: articles put forth by Politico and The New York Times corrected. 591 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: A fuzzy black and white video shows a large tic 592 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: tac shaped object. The pilot looks onto it with the camera, 593 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: loses it, then locks back in before it speeds off 594 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: to the left out of frame. 595 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 16: It was like flipping a switch from USO as being 596 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 16: sort of a joke, and maybe some people understood it, 597 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 16: but unless you research it, you don't really get it. 598 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 16: And it's just sort of like roswell and whatever to 599 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 16: a switch to saying our government knows these are real 600 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 16: and they're studying them and they want to find out more. 601 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, you might seem like next to me, second yet closer. 602 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: I sat down with one of the radar specialists working 603 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: on the USS Princeton when the tic tac object was 604 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: captured by fighter pilots. 605 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 18: Fifteen and a half years in those same waters. This 606 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 18: was the first time I had ever seen anything like this. 607 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: This is Kevin Day, retired senior radar operator for the 608 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,919 Speaker 1: US Navy. 609 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 18: Woke up in the morning, had coffee, You went up 610 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 18: the combat getting ready for the air defense exercise. Our 611 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 18: aircraft was still on the beach, the ships were out 612 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 18: there and we were just getting ready for the operational exercise. 613 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 18: We're out there for a training exercise. San Diego Coast 614 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 18: is here. San Clemente Island's up north, and we're off 615 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 18: in the playground area in the water right off the coast. 616 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,479 Speaker 18: We don't have any weapons loaded, and it's all safe. 617 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 18: We conduct intercepts on radar. I'll take control of my 618 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 18: good guy. I'll get a radar contact and I'll actually 619 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 18: drive him to the intercept point and they'll intercept each other, 620 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 18: and if they have to, they'll kill the bad guy. 621 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: During a standard naval training exercise, Kevin was below deck 622 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: of the USS Princeton when he noticed objects appearing on 623 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: his radar screen that shouldn't have been there. 624 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 18: He was just sitting there. 625 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 8: I just tracked it. 626 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 18: We all kind of thought, well, maybe it's civilian and 627 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 18: they just forgot some test or something they were doing. 628 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 18: Had them on radar, and we put them on the 629 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 18: data links, reported them to the beach and gave our 630 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 18: voice reports and said, hey, we're seeing these things. If 631 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 18: you're worried about them, let us know. So if anyone 632 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 18: was concerned about them. They have their data and we 633 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 18: give heads up and everything. Over the night, I was 634 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 18: saying to myself, if these objects, whatever they are, show 635 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 18: up again, I got to talk to the captain. I'm 636 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 18: worried about the safety of flight. The captain came down 637 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 18: to combat. I said, hey, sir, you know what. We've 638 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 18: been tracking these things for four days now and nobody 639 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 18: has any idea what these are. I'm very, very concerned 640 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,479 Speaker 18: about safety of flight. 641 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: Safety of flight was and is the primary concern. It's 642 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: Kevin's job to detect any anomalies in the air that 643 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: may pose. 644 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 8: A threat to the pilots. 645 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: These aircraft cost tens of millions of dollars to manufacture. 646 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: Not only would a mid air collision put the military 647 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: out of one of the most expensive jets on Earth, 648 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: but more importantly, it would expose the pilots themselves to 649 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: a very real risk of injury or death. 650 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 18: I didn't want the aircraft to launch off and get 651 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 18: involved with these objects, whatever the hell they were, and 652 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 18: end up causing the mid air incident. If we have 653 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 18: an air incident, someone's going to ask both you and me, 654 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 18: why the how we didn't say something about it. 655 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: Part of Kevin's responsibilities during this mission was to guide 656 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: his pilot to the next rendezvous point. But this training 657 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: exercise was interrupted and the pilots were ordered to get 658 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: closer to the objects and try to figure out what 659 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: these things were. 660 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 18: They'd come from outer space, lower Earth orbit, go to 661 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 18: twenty eight thousand feet right off the coast of Catalina, 662 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 18: and then they would start going between us and the coast, 663 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 18: right through our operating area, disappearing off the radars right 664 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 18: by Guadelupe Island off Mexico. Whatever that object was drop 665 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 18: right down to the surface of the water. These things 666 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 18: were breaking the sounder, but there was no big move. 667 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 18: Freaked us all out. We didn't even know how to 668 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 18: respond to it. Came from outer space all the way 669 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 18: down to twenty eight thousand feet and stopped, just stopped 670 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 18: in the sky twenty eight thousand feet and. 671 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 8: Just started circling. 672 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 18: It was so outside of our experience we didn't know 673 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 18: what to do. He went chasing it. They did a 674 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 18: little dog fight down by those surfaces of the water. 675 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 18: His wingmen, he left her up high. They looked like 676 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 18: about a fifty foot long giant tic tack, pure white, 677 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 18: no doors, no windows, no, nothing, same size of his aircraft. Proximately, 678 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 18: whatever that object was went to fast Eagles assigned cap 679 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 18: station the exact latitude, longitude and altitude it stopped. How 680 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 18: in the hell didn't know where that cap point was? 681 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 18: We hadn't been to it yet. It was a secret location. 682 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 18: Only in secret message traffic. They knew where are intent. 683 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 12: For the spaceship space cod white listen name a habitat 684 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 12: and when das like. 685 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 11: Rich smokers ain't need. 686 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 10: A weed player did take on a lean it. 687 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 8: She've been on the gen. This is a bean bag. 688 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 8: I've been going Gene because her cool. 689 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 4: Right now. 690 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 8: She was over spending up. She've been talking Yo Japan, 691 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 8: the bens of very T shirt sleeve, budding up, top 692 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 8: ten of vert riding. 693 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 12: Then youther, you gotta bend down and saying the parp 694 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 12: peller we spended die cap and good sweaters. 695 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 10: Drive john Nae and nine helped her. 696 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 8: It was booming out of guys. 697 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 4: We are not the devil. 698 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: High Strange is an eighth part series released weekly for 699 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: free every Thursday. 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