1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture. Lost 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: culture is just calling my girl has me laughing straight away. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I just had to comment on the glow, 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: the berries glow shut. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Up literally looking at myself in the in the zoom screen. Yes, 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: the grid, the grid. Okay, So in terms of alcohol 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: these days, do you feel the next day like it's 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: a little different, like immediate puffiness, immediate puffiness. Oh. 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean not to refer to the last episode, but 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: the video of that is really a rough for me 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: because I am puffy, blotchy, redden spots that make no sense. 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: I've got archipelagos on the face. It's really crazy and 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: that's perfect example for me. 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: But what about you. I just feel like it's funny 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: that you say, like, wow, you look so healthy with 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: a glow. Literally the other day I was like, oh yeah, 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm like I've been really good. It's like I was 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: calling it dry ish January. By the way, I thought 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: you looked absolutely incredible in the video. I thought everyone 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: involved it amazing. I thought the lights were perfect. I 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: thought they weren't too harsh at all in the room, 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: though they were Breckt Well, No, I was just thinking 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: the other day, like I'll have like a night out 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: and the next day it's like it's a different face. 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's just what happens when you get 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: a little bit old, you know. Hmmm. 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, lots of culture since the last episode, would 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: you say, you're got up? 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Oh damn, you really really launched us into the topics 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: at a hand here with that one. I had that loaded. 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: I definitely am caught up. I made a little list 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: and so just you know, because I know you're all 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: chomping at the bit, we're not going to do our 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: goblet of years today because there's so much culture to 36 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: talk about. Slash we both didn't make the document to follow, 37 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: so that's just the reality of today. But fear not, 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: fear not, because I really feel there's so much to discuss. 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: And ninety three we weren't going to do like a 40 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: slipshod job with it. It's a big year, so we 41 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: got to really do the homework, you know what I mean. 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: It's a Jurassic But okay, so you sort of belted 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: those notes before cut up, and I'm really I belted, 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: I really belt it that you really belted that you 45 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: said that with the chess. Wow, all of this is 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: gonna come together later. What'd you think of Usher? Were 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: you absolutely thrilled with the performance. I was so happy. 48 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, watching him, I was like, this is an entertainer. 49 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: That whole production was Atlanta and Vegas. It was so 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: those cities, all the elements were great. I mean, this man, 51 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: that quick change. I looked one minute under one minute 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: insane for him to go into well granted he was 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: shirtless going into the roller skate loook. Yeah, one minute, 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: and I just my quick change girl is out there? 55 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: Who know who have practical knowledge of this? 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever your little Broadway cunts, your little Broadway 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: cunts in the words of in the words of great American? 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: Have you experienced quick change culture at all? I have. Yeah, 59 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: I did amateur sketch, not not on the level that 60 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: you did, but I've done quick changes for show. Someday. 61 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: You're for show someday You're going to have like three 62 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: people waiting for you in the wings with an open 63 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: jacket with pants with like a wig like and wide 64 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: eyes and wide eyes. And I just want to say, 65 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: one minute is nail bier time. It's crazy. First of all, 66 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: it's really much shorter than you think. Okay, one minute, 67 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: like one minute on the clock, Like you're really on 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: the clock there, like you better hurry. 69 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: One minute in Vegas is I mean talk about a 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: New York minute. That's a Vegas minute. 71 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: Baby. It's like fire Island time moves a little differently there. Wow? 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Who wrote that? A tortured poet? Joel Boster from the 73 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Torture Poet's Department. Now, if Taylor is the chairman, who 74 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: is Joel vice chair Byce Royce ROI very Star Wars 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: episode one? Okay, continue Usher, Usher? Oh No, that's I mean, 76 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: I do have it. 77 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: I don't think somebody that's about an element of this 78 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: that is not specific to anyone on that stage that night. 79 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: But it's a thing that I think. 80 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: We we have the means to correct, and yet we 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: still in the year twenty twenty four, don't get right. 82 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: And I want to talk about this later on. Oh 83 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: my god. Well now I'm absolutely I feel baited. I'm 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: edging for that. So my opinion on the Usher performances, 85 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: I think it got better, it sharted and I thought, okay, 86 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. Yeah, I just think I 87 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: was contrasting it with like Rihanna's perform last year, which 88 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: was so like for the cameras and the colors were 89 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: so clear, and she was so like focused and like 90 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: it was just very. 91 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: That was a new kind of Super Bowl performance that 92 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: was like all innovation. Rice one was was pretty. I 93 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: think it's huge to tradition and a way that totally 94 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: was fine and acceptable. And also that's a man and 95 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: men just don't do it for gay men in the 96 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: way that women do. 97 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: Does that mean yeah, But that being said, I do 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: think that he was dressed like one of the world's 99 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: top ten gayest men. Like I do think his outfits 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: are often what I would call so gay, especially that 101 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: blue number he came out in and did the Rollerskates on. 102 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: I think that like there was so much here for 103 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: the gay male. I for example, Usher was shirtless, Usher 104 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: was dancing, Usher was looking gay. And I say this 105 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: as the biggest compliment, like, whenever a straight man can 106 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: come out looking that gay, I think it's so incredible, 107 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: And I think that was actually a message to the 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: world that gay is here. I think that was an 109 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: LGBTQ performance. Plus, even if I had any note for 110 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: the performance, It's the same note that I have for 111 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: the lgbtqbus community, which is too much, too much at 112 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the beginning, you know what I mean, that's true note 113 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: for the community, Yeah, too much. I just thought at 114 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: the top there was so much going on that I 115 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: couldn't like see it. But once a Lisha came out, 116 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: and once we got over that first note, we got 117 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: we got through greener pastors, and I loved watching the 118 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Mybu performance. I thought Alisha looked amazing, Alicia looked great, 119 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: and you know, that was a throwback moment and that 120 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: chemistry is still there between those two totally. I thought 121 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: once we got through, when we got him off that 122 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: first mic and we got into the performance, then I 123 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: thought the performance got better, Like the roller skating was incredible. 124 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: He's obviously amazing, But you know, I thought overall was 125 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: like of seven. 126 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, seven seems good. You're not in the 127 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: beginning of it there being too much. I think that's 128 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: a camera because it would like some girl in a 129 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: tux would do a backflip and the camera would follow 130 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: her for some reason. But it's like, no, we want 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: to look at usher, like. 132 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Why something for sure was happening with the camera there 133 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: was something going on at the top. And again this 134 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: is like so small and nipicky because the performance was great. 135 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: His songs are I remember like when I saw him 136 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: in Vegas, I was like, wow, so you know so 137 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: many more of these than you realize it is. It's 138 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: like an arsenal of hits, which I think is so 139 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: important in a subway performer. And I want to get 140 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: your opinion about, like who the next couple great super 141 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: Bowl headlines you want to see are like, did you're 142 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: talking subway performer? Did I say subway performer? I think, really, 143 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: can we get can we roll back? Can we get 144 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: a conversation? I said subway in a subway performer? Yes, 145 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: says yeah, I'm sorry. I just had to acknowledge that. 146 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: I was like, you're calling Usher, like, no, no, I 147 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't think Usher has needed to busk. Ever, that 148 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: was a slip of the tongue. No, no one involved 149 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: this a subway performer. And also this is I say 150 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: it with all the respect to also by performers. Many 151 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: of them could probably do the Super Bowl and do 152 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: a fabulous job, a bang up job. Now, what was 153 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: your original question? What do you think we're gonna see 154 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: In terms of next great super Bowl headliner, the girls 155 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: and I were sort of kicking this around the other day, 156 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: like because it feels like there aren't too too many 157 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: people who are like monoculture huge that would excel at 158 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. And then we kind of kicked around, 159 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: like a couple names that we think could do it, Like, 160 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: obviously there's Taylor, will get to her. There's a lot 161 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: to discuss about Taylor this week. I was thinking, especially 162 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: after the Grammys, like Miley would be amazing. I also 163 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: think Dua would be amazing, But I want to know 164 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: what you think do it would be amazing. Miley would 165 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: be amazing. 166 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: Because we really are hitting a plateau with like in 167 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: terms of people who have not been picked to do it. Yeah, 168 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's a matter of cooking 169 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: of like letting the girls cook for a little exactly 170 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: before they're ready. But I feel like things have been 171 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: simmering for some decades for some of these girls now, 172 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: like Usher. I would say this was like the right 173 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: time for Usher totally, but he could have done it, 174 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: like at any point in the last ten years, probably, 175 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: But I wonder what that math is or what the 176 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: factors are, and I'm like, there's a million decisions that 177 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: go into picking the right person. Yeah, I mean Taylor. 178 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: She you want to talk about Taylor now or doing it? 179 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: I guess my thing is like the thing about Miley 180 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: and Dua there is It's like Doua's basically a cheerleader. 181 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: She puts on a great show, and she has enough 182 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: hits that are like mainstream big hits that everyone knows 183 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: where they could keep coming and it will be a 184 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: really fun show and you kind of can sing in 185 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: your mind's eye what that would be. And then Miley 186 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: is just such a huge name and does have the 187 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: big songs. I do think that there's an argument to 188 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: be made about like letting them cook more like you 189 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: were saying, because we were saying, like, you know, after 190 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: like another album or two, both of them are like 191 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: no brainers. But I was just thinking, like what would 192 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: what would I want to see? I feel like the 193 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: rubric is the person has to be huge enough where 194 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: at every Super Bowl party, everyone's gonna say, oh, so 195 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: and so is doing the game, and we all know 196 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: who that is. No one has to be explained who 197 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: Beyonce is. No one has to be explained who Lady 198 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Gaga is. It's that same thing. So that's one tier, 199 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: and then then other tier is that person has to 200 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: be willing and able to do the work to put 201 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: on that good and that level quality of a show. 202 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: And so those are the two things. And also in 203 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: that second thing, it's like wanting to do that, you 204 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like like I don't know if 205 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: someone like Mariah Carey would want to do that, because 206 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure. Do you think Ario, I 207 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: don't would want to do the Super Bowl? I don't know. 208 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's a lot of pressure. My gud is 209 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: telling me not anytime soon. But I would have to 210 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: ask the girl, and I don't want to bother her 211 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: with that kind of question. 212 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: Well, Collor, you guys met during the Wicked trailer. No, 213 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: bo Ariana met during the making of the Wicked trailer. 214 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: The making of the Wicked trailer. Yeah, you guys made 215 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: that great trailer that showed during the Super Bowl. 216 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: But we met during the making. All you're saying we 217 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: met the circumstances of our meeting. Of our first meeting 218 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: was for the making of the Wicked trailer, but just 219 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: the trailer. 220 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have been shooting the Wicked trailer for 221 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: a couple of years now. Yeah. 222 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: I can't wait to do the movie at some point. 223 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: I think that'll be really fun. 224 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 1: Congrats grad on the Wicked trailer. I mean, blink and 225 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: you'll miss me. Yeah, but you know what, guess what 226 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: you know who noticed you? Meme creators and that's all matters. 227 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: They got you, They got you turning around and they said, 228 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: but when you really gave that gay gaze, listen, he 229 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: turned around like like a fag and should I mean, 230 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: everyone get ready, I'm really showing my range. I'm playing 231 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: a gay guy, but you know I'm playing a hater 232 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: for the first time. Oh my god. Wait, thank you 233 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: for that. You made a distinction. He's not just any 234 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: gay guy. Fanny is a read the discourse. Honey, girl, 235 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: you want to do some Uh. 236 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: I've been researching. I've been researching. No, this guy sucks 237 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: and frankly is a racist. 238 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 239 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: He sees a green person and he goes, I'm going 240 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: to fucking ruin that person's life. 241 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: Wow. You had to go to the depths of really, 242 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: you had to go to the most disgusting part of 243 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: yourself and reach deep down in order to play Fanny 244 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: in this film Wicked trailer, the trailer, yeah, yeah, yeah, 245 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: the trailer. 246 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: I will say, the discussions going into Fanny, like John 247 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: Mshu God bless him is a director down no small parts, 248 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: is like, let's sit down and talk about Fanny and 249 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: GHENTI yeah. And then me and Brahmin were like absolutely, 250 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: And then Ari was there and then we all the 251 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 2: four of us like talked about these people, and I 252 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: think we arrived at something really interesting And I can't 253 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: wait for you guys to see. 254 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see like what happened when you 255 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: guys really sat down and put Benza paper and said, 256 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: who's a crazy sycophantic, racist gig guy in this world? 257 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, and his name is Fanny? 258 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: Like me? Is that? Yeah? 259 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 2: Yeah? 260 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah it looks good girl. I love the train. 261 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: The train absolutely. The train was a huge moment. Now 262 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: what do you think of this? 263 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: Some people pointed out that they made that bitch Dorothy 264 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: walk when they had trains the whole time to the 265 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: Emerald City. What do you make of that? 266 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: I think they lied to Dorothy several times about what 267 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: she was capable of. What she could do, and I 268 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: think she showed them because can I tell you something, 269 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: Dorothy did it backwards eden heels and it's actually really 270 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: number fifty six. Dorothy Gales was a legend. 271 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: I think Dorothy walked forward and that's a kitten heel, bitch, 272 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: that is not a real full fledged My. 273 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: God, drag her. You're like, my girl, you're a real bootlecker. 274 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: You're like I saw Arianna walking in stilettos on set. 275 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: Dorothy was in a kitten heel. And you said she 276 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: didn't do it backwards. She in fact had a lot 277 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: of friends helping her skip along the way, skip along 278 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: the way. 279 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: She was arm in arm with these fucking freaks. As 280 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not spoiler alert, it's you know, this 281 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: is wicked. But like Scarecrow and tin Man, they're users. 282 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: They used Dorothy to help Alphaba escape, do you know 283 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: what I mean? Very smart? 284 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that the manipulation amongst that 285 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: group can only be described as they're definitely in contention 286 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: for traders. Susan God, get get them on the cast. 287 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: Get Scarecrow, Fierro, get Tin Man, fucking boch Yes, get 288 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: them on cast. 289 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is the only like real plot 290 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: hole though in Wicked and Wizard of Us to me 291 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: is like Fierro was Scarecrow all along, like make it 292 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I'm sorry, girl, I'm out. I'm 293 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: not seeing this girl. Take it up with Gregory maguire. 294 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: He knows I just truth. 295 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: Okay, can I say? Can I reveal? There was one 296 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: set visit where Gregory McGuire caane. It was very exciting. 297 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: I never know if you actually can reveal these things, 298 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: like you're the Can I say, can I reveal? I 299 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: think I'm okay to say this, and then you always 300 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: say absolutely, and then I'm always like so nervous, but 301 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: here you go, I can say this, roll it out, 302 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: say this. 303 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: Gregory Maguire came to set and then I went over 304 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: to say hello to him. He was so nice, and 305 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: then I think, I think this is a lie. And Gregory, 306 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: this is your if you're listening, because this is literally 307 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: what he said, you must confirm. He goes and I 308 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: really enjoy your podcast. I was like, oh, thank you, 309 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: mister McGuire. You think Gregory maguire is a reader Katie 310 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: Publisist finalist, I can't picture him listening to this podcast is. 311 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: A man that is a cultured man. 312 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: Who is I'm gonna say out of the traditional demo 313 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: of this podcast, and I say that with love and 314 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: respect and admiration. But that's Gregory Maguire, one of the 315 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: most successful authors in the last twenty years. 316 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Boh, and I'm telling you I never put it past 317 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: anyone nowadays. I think everyone listens to this, everyone and 318 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: their mother. I think everyone's at home listening streaming. I 319 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: think that they are absorbing. I think you think maguire 320 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: is listening with Gregory. I think he listens with his mom. 321 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do. Oh my god, 322 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: that's let me tell you this is huge, this podcast. 323 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean listen and it's a nominee for Best Pop 324 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: Culture Podcast. I thought my Heart Radio Awards, you know, 325 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: like we're here breaking down the latest in pop culture. 326 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: It's us versus Bethany Frankel headline. We are in the 327 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: wrong category here, That's okay. 328 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: Look, they couldn't give it to us every year. We 329 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: were very honored by Podcast of the Year last year. 330 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: And don't forget it, and don't forget it twenty twenty 331 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 2: three a competitive year. 332 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is this is a real nail biter. Okay, 333 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: so the Wicked trailer. That was great. I was very excited. 334 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: A lot of people have their favorite images from the 335 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: trailer because you know that something that happens is you know, 336 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: or something will come out and like people will be like, 337 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, this and they'll show a picture from 338 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: the trailer. This is sort of main culture. Oh Jonathan 339 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: Bailey like getting his face stroked. I think a lot 340 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: of people are very excited about his face and the 341 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: stroke in question, you know what I mean. People are 342 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: very excited about the final roar of the song, which 343 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, if you were truly like like you know, 344 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: someone scurrying around the internet, you had heard it before 345 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: because it was out there, but to hear it, to 346 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: hear the trailer, oh yeah, that was major. Major. 347 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: Put some sauce on it, texture mm hmm. It was 348 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: really I mean, is it not thrilling? I got goosebumps. 349 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: I'd already heard it, and I got goosebumps when I 350 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: watched the trailer for the first time. They went, wow, 351 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: good job. 352 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: You know. 353 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: There were at least ten meetings about should we put 354 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: the riff in the trailer? Like I think you got 355 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 2: to give the riff, give the riff that is that's 356 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: gonna put butts in seats, you know what I mean. 357 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: If there was any question about whether there'd be butts 358 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: in seats. I just feel like, you know, it's the trailer, 359 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: it's the Wicked trailer, it's the super Bowl, like we 360 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: know there's going to be that note like, let's hear it. 361 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: And I think it sounded fucking great and it looked thrilling. 362 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: I also I saw some people posting like this was 363 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: my reaction to the Wicked trailer, and like those things 364 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: of like someone taking a video of themselves reacting to it. Yeah, 365 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: like what we do? I think it's funny. I don't know. 366 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm not dragging. I'm not dragging. 367 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: I'm just questioning, like the conventions of this new thing 368 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 2: where I'm watching me watch, watch me watch, and I go, okay, 369 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: but what can you give me a reason to watch? 370 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: Can I get commentary during? Can I get commentary after? 371 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: Some of these girls are just posting pictures of their 372 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 2: silent faces, and I go, I'm gonna need a little 373 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: bit more than that. 374 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: That's all. 375 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: I'm not dragging. I'm saying, can we deliver on the promise? 376 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: Of the premise. 377 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: You are. You are a hungry bottom for a take, 378 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: for a dissection. You want to hear the discourse. 379 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: We're putting our necks out every week giving our takes. 380 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: Authenticity is so dangerous and expensive. You know how much 381 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: trouble I could get in for anything? You know, Bowen 382 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: Yang is, He's endangered species out here, an honest public figure. 383 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: Come on, I'm getting in trouble. I'm gonna in trouble everywhere. 384 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: Everywhere you go. Wait, what was it? Oh? So basically 385 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: like people were seen excited to see her in the bubble. 386 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: I was excited to see her in the bubble. We 387 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: saw a lot, We saw a lot of iconography. It 388 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: was a really good trailer and for me, it gave 389 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: a lot love. What else we else is a super 390 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: Bowl moment. 391 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: I would say the homes dot Com commercial starring Dan 392 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: Levy and Heidi Gardner. Yeah, she needed more lines. Give 393 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: Heidi more lines. But you know what, I'm sure she 394 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: and I don't want to speak for her. 395 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: But good job getting the bag. That's That's what I 396 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: consoled myself with the whole time as I sat there 397 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: watching it, and I felt she did enough enough lines 398 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, at least she got this huge fucking check, 399 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: and really cados to everyone got the big check. I 400 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: just felt, you know, my girl could have been given 401 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: a couple more of the punchlines. Right. What else? Super 402 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: Bowl moment? I didn't watch the game this year, but 403 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: so I for sure did and I was watching it 404 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: at a party where it wasn't like a ton of people, 405 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: so we could watch a lot of the commercials and stuff, 406 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: like we did see the Beyonce commercial in the clean 407 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: and so were you watching when? So you were not watching? Okay, 408 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: so we were watching when she at the end. Let's 409 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: just transition into this now. So we were watching where 410 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the commercial. By the way, she 411 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: did a very fun commercial and it was with Tony Hale. 412 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: Surprised to me, I was like, she said yes to this? 413 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Not only does she say yes, she's drank a Celsius 414 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: for she was excited to act. 415 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: She was excited to act and give comedy. But a 416 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: lot of setups, a lot of costume changes, a lot 417 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: of buy in for her. You had to imagine that 418 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: she I wonder what the convincing was for her to 419 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: be like, sure, I'll put on these pink kitten headphones 420 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: and like type on a little gaming keyboard like Beyonce 421 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: like as an image, as someone who is rightfully protective 422 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 2: of her image. So I'm like, I want to know 423 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: what that conversation was to be, like be It's gonna 424 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: be really funny and then Tony's gonna come in to 425 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: your left and blah blah blah. 426 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: Anyway, the commercial I did see. I did consume the 427 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: content in the right order, which was saw the Verizon 428 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: commercial on Instagram because I was on Instagram during the game. 429 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: And then she says drop the new music, and I go, what, Yeah, 430 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: So I leapt out of my chair when she said that. 431 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: It was during the Super Bowl, and by the way, 432 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: at that point, the I believe the halftime show had happened, 433 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: and so the game was kind of over for me 434 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: at that point, because I will say the game was 435 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: extremely boring until I guess it got could later. But 436 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: I had sort of bailed at that time because this 437 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: commercial happened and she says they're ready drop the new music. 438 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: So I leap out of my chair. I say what, 439 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: I go to anywhere where. Let's just say someone like 440 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: Taylor would immediately have shit ready, you know what I mean, 441 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: Like you feel like you'd log onto Instagram and like 442 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: it would be there. Beyonce was teasing us a little 443 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: bit because it wasn't immediate that things were upright. It 444 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: became clear in the minutes after that moment what was happening. 445 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: Like in piecemeal, we were truly like ravenous for it. 446 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: What an innovator though, Like she gives us that little 447 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 2: window where we kind of go into a frenzy. 448 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Well, I guess the whole commercial was like break the Internet, 449 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, well she just might with 450 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: this one because I'm sure every person who cares is like, 451 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: which that number must register in the millions, must be 452 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: online like trying to figure out what the fuck is 453 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: going on. So then you find out it's the country album. 454 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: She's fully launching us into the era act too. Whether 455 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: it's called Renaissance Act Too or if it's going to 456 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: be like Act to some other name, we don't know. 457 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: We don't know much, but we know more than we 458 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: did March twenty ninth. It is a country album. Two 459 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: songs are out Texas Hold'em and sixteen Carriages Your Thoughts. 460 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: I was driving all day yesterday while you on the 461 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: group chat were popping off with the rest of the 462 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: girls about things, and my thoughts are Sixteen Carriages is 463 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: kind of new ground genre a side, not even genre 464 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: aside Daddy Lessons was kind of like the precursor to 465 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: all this, as we all know. But I think what's 466 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: really interesting is to hear a thing about this time 467 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: in her life in this sort of bittersweet balanced way, 468 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: because either she's talked about her upbringing and like committing 469 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: herself and making the sacrifices to become the star in 470 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: a very bravado braggadocious way, as in like flawless or 471 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: something and the. 472 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: Queen you can't touch me, You've I've been out, Would 473 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: you stop now? Yeah? Like that hell energy. 474 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, even like the diva officsoshraphear is like since fifteen 475 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: of my Stiletto's like that kind of thing or sixteen 476 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what the exact age is in the song, 477 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 2: but either it's bravado or it's like pure tragedy, as 478 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: in like a pretty hurts where she's like knocking down 479 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 2: the trophies, you know, talking about how like you know, 480 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: like the things that we're ingreened in her growing up. 481 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: This sixteen Characters to me feels incredibly like the third option, 482 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: which is it's amazing, it's also terrible. I don't know 483 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: what life I missed. Also, now I can reflect on 484 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: it as a mother, like I've got kids at home 485 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: and I'm overwhelmed overworked as opposed to being underpaid and 486 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: overworked when I was cool, all I. 487 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: Could think about when I first heard sixteen Carriages was 488 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: how incredible this is gonna be live, just like the 489 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: way that everyone's gonna be wailing and swaying to that song. 490 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: Like I just I couldn't be more excited about the 491 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: way these songs, both of them, are gonna play going forward. 492 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Because I think with Texas Holdham, which I have not 493 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: stopped listening to, is really taken the crown from Single Soon, 494 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: But I have not stopped listening to it because I 495 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: feel like it's like future comfort listening, you know what 496 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Like this is going to be one of 497 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: those songs that's I think always gonna feel good and 498 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: it feels really familiar, which I think is fine, And 499 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: it feels like, you know, she put out this country 500 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: song and like she's announcing this country era and so 501 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people are having a lot to say 502 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: about like how country it is, or like what it 503 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: means or what it's indicative of. And what I would 504 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: say is I was just like, yes, this is country, 505 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: Like there's really some people out here being audacious enough 506 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: to be like, well, it's not really country, Like I 507 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: get what you're saying, Like it's you know, poppy enough 508 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: to be played on pop radio. Who knows if country 509 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: radio will really embrace it. That has so much more 510 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: to do with whether or not it's appropriate for country radio, 511 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: and so much more to do with bureaucracy and bullshit 512 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: and like the political nature of our times right now. 513 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: What I digress. But for example, if Maren Morris recorded 514 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: this and put it out, you'd be like, Maren Morris 515 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: is back. That would be the headline, Maren Morris is 516 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: back country. Like if Casey put this out, they'd be like, Wow, 517 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: this is the most country Casey album in years. That's 518 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: what they put it out. It would be the whole thing. 519 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: I feel like, because it's Beyonce, it goes through this 520 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: filter of like how can we do right? And that 521 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: is ridiculous, especially when you realize, like who's playing on 522 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: this record, like Raphael Sadiq is on this record, Like 523 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: look at her collaborators, like they all have like roots 524 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: in this music, and like also like black culture has 525 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: roots in this music. I mean, like like this music 526 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: has roots in black culture rather. I mean, it's just 527 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: I understand. And I've engaged with some people who have 528 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: said this thing, like oh, it's not really country. I'm like, 529 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: what are you saying here, because there is that kind 530 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: of country snob that's like, oh, it has to be 531 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: certain instruments, it has to be certain, like you have 532 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: to keep time a certain way, et cetera. I'm like, 533 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: is this a snob thing or is this just like 534 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: a knee jerk cultural reaction? And lo and behold, it 535 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: is a knee jerk cultural reaction. People are like, well, 536 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: she's not even singing about like a dead dog or 537 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: like a tractor. It's like not country. It's like, girl, 538 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: please shut the fuck up. Like I don't think so, honey. 539 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: This idea that a country song can't be about anything. 540 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: Of course, it can be about anything. It's just us 541 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: dial it's a genre. 542 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: Like she sort of sing song about a mom in 543 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: a car accident where the baby's in the backseat or something. 544 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Jesus Take the Wheel. They were they 545 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: were looking for Beyonce to do a Jesus Take the 546 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: Wheel cover, and producer Becca says the truth, which is 547 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: real country is about grit and then is one hundred 548 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: percent true. And I think that, Like another thing that's 549 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: annoying is the Pitchfork review for this song, which did 550 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: you read this? Well? No, I just think they have 551 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: to slow their role on this one because they go, 552 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: you know, it is a little weird for Beyonce to 553 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: be singing about like being like down home at a 554 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: dive bar, like you can't really picture her there. It's like, well, 555 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: that's what she did, break my soul. She was like, 556 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 1: she doesn't have a nine to five stop. It's fine, right, 557 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: And that's I guess the note that they have is 558 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: like Beyonce singing about nine to five is lol. It's like, 559 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: can we just zoom out for a second. Artists don't 560 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: have to be entirely one hundred percent autobiographic or truthful 561 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: in their lear you know what I mean. Like, sometimes 562 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: it's actually the job of an artist of a creator 563 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: to create a fantasy, to create, you know, something livable 564 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: for the people that the music is for, Like music 565 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: is not always for the artists. It's not so they 566 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: can go out on stage and they can live their 567 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: truth every night. Of course that exists, but also music 568 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: is created for the listener, and that's what she is doing, 569 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: and she's about her fans, and she's about that communal experience. 570 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: So to review it in a way that immediately discredits 571 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: her because you can't picture her in that environment, it's like, okay, 572 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: so what do you want Beyonce to sing about? Like 573 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: this weekend, me and Jay hung out with a lot 574 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: of our friends, A lot of them are venture capitalists 575 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: and the Hamptons, Like, I don't think we want that 576 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: song everybody. I think I think it's okay that we're 577 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: singing about like Beyonce having a fucking baller time, whether 578 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, the dance floor in a house sense 579 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: or like the dive bar in a country sense, Like 580 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: we should just be excited that Beyonce, who's prodigiously genius 581 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: musical talent, is giving this kind of thing for everyone 582 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: to embody and enjoy. It just feels like a really bizarre, 583 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: bad faith criticism of her that really only she and 584 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: people on her level would get anyway, Can I tell 585 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: you something I don't want? She cares well if people 586 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: are like gay. 587 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: Keeping country, But I want to talk about the live 588 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: aspect of what this album will be, which is I 589 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: think you pointed this out offline, not picturing stadium tour. 590 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a sphere residency or something where it's like. 591 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: We go, well, those rumors are out there. 592 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think those are valid rumors, and I think 593 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: that is the setting that makes the most sense for 594 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: an album like this, where it's like she's gonna park 595 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: it in one place and then everyone else is just 596 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: gonna go to her, rather than she's this traveling circus 597 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: going from town to town. 598 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: You know what, I think. I think this is not 599 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: really right because I feel like you are dead on 600 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: about the parking it of it all. But something about 601 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: the sphere, maybe that's like something down the road she's 602 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: thinking like maybe if the third album is a rumored 603 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: like rock album, or it's some sort of thing like 604 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: maybe that's the sphere. Do you think rock album for 605 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: the Sphere? Interested? I think so because that makes a 606 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. Whereas this album is so 607 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: like she's she's made so many allusions to like, you know, 608 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: obviously Texas already, and like you know, it feels very 609 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: outdoors to me, Like it feels very like I can 610 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: see this taking place outside, like it maybe she parks 611 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: it in like Texas somewhere. Maybe she parks it in 612 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: Atlanta somewhere, somewhere where I can feel very truthful to 613 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: the roots of this music and also give that big feeling. 614 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the sphere. The sphere feels 615 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: very cooped up to me, which obviously feels odd to 616 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: say it, because you can create anything in there. But 617 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: I just feel like I hear this music and I 618 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: want to be outside. You think it's going to be 619 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: like a lover fest situation, I do the festival that 620 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: never was. I think Beyonce saw a lover fest and 621 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: was like, well, start the pandemic now, because we need 622 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: to make sure that's my idea. I think Beyonce Beyonce 623 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: started the pandemic. I started the pandemic. Wow, mess up 624 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: the five G poles. Yeah, she said, hit the button. 625 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: Hit the button. She's an illuminati. Go well, that that's 626 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: a really interesting I think you're right about that about 627 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: the outdoor of it. 628 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: All sure, totally after Renaissance Act one. I think she's like, 629 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to tour again for a minute. I 630 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: want to stay in one place. I'm sick of these planes. 631 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird, like to contrast her with Taylor, who 632 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: I guess is just going to keep on doing this show. 633 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I guess all we're getting from 634 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: Taylor is the one new era, and she's going to 635 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: keep doing the show, whereas Beyonce feels now completely moved 636 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: on from Renaissance Act one. And this is sort of 637 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: what I was saying about seeing Renaissance in concert, was 638 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: it felt like this was just the chapter, whereas Eras 639 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: felt very cumulative, cumulative, excuse me, And I feel like 640 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: that's proven to be true. Like will Beyonce do the 641 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: same thing? Will she park it? We don't know, but 642 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: either way it's going to be like a very very 643 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: exciting new era. Becca has said if you saw any 644 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: of her content of her being in Houston for the 645 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: Renaissance tour where she was eating fried chicken from a 646 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: local shop, Lol, Real Country is about grit. Oh Okay, 647 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: so she's commenting on the grit of it all. 648 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: I think that was in response to like she wouldn't 649 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: go to a dive bar oh oh, which not to 650 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: compare them again, but if Taylor can write songs outside 651 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: of her own experience and filter it through like a character, 652 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: let's say, I don't really understand that argument that like 653 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: Beyonce has to authentically write to her own life. So yeah, 654 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: authenticity is dangerous and expensive and unreasonably applied. 655 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: I think there is an over analysis of these people 656 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: in a way that's getting annoying and also is causing 657 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: us to really spin our wheels. And I don't think 658 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: it's necessarily our fault, like this thing about like, well, 659 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: what's the truth, what's real? Et cetera. It comes from 660 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: the fact that it feels like there are very few 661 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: very famous people right now, and I think obviously like 662 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: that's always led to, like, at least on their part, 663 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: like a fear of oversaturation, right Like I feel like 664 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: Taylor in the past has been very conscious about oversaturating, 665 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: but it feels like that consciousness is not active right now. 666 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: I think they're like the only famous people in the world, 667 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: and that is leading to this fervor and discussion on them, 668 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: which is ultimately gonna make us all crazy because it 669 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: can't all be rooted in like truth or actual like 670 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: what's really going on here? 671 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, right, Like, even all the 672 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 2: videos coming out of like Taylor and Travis after the 673 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 2: game making out at a party, I'm like, I'm very 674 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 2: valerie cherished about this. I'm like, I don't really. 675 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: Want to see that. I don't want to see that, 676 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: you know, not out of a distaste for either of them, 677 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: out of like a that shouldn't be for us. There 678 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: is too much available to us right now, and I 679 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: think that is okay. This is my honest opinion about it. 680 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm super excited about Tortured Poet's department as a fan 681 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: of her music, I will say, it's a lot. It's 682 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, it's football at large. It's a new album, 683 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: it's every old album. It's Capitalism, it's the Jets, it's 684 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: the Bonuses, it's the economy. 685 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 3: It's this, it's that. It's Travis, It's Joe, it's Japan, 686 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 3: it's everywhere in the world. It's Kelly Teller, it's Lana, 687 00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 3: it's Ice. 688 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: It's it's too much, and I think that it needs 689 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: to well. I don't even know if it needs to 690 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: slow down at this point because it doesn't feel like 691 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: that's going to happen because we're about to get a 692 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: new album and that's gonna be everywhere. I think it's 693 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: probably good that so many of the girls are going 694 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: to be releasing albums and there's going to be a 695 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: lot going on, but with the tailor of it all, 696 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: it almost just feels like the valve has not been released. Right. 697 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: Then you have to think is it on purpose? Like 698 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: is it a conscious like total media takeover because she's 699 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: aware of it. I mean, like she knows what happens 700 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: when she goes to the Super Bowl and it ends 701 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: up being the most watched telecast of all time. Like 702 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: it's so much to the point where I'm like, is 703 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: it a conscious oversaturation to launch herself into the rebirth 704 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: of the reputation era? I wonder then I think, am 705 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: I insane for thinking it's that calculated? I think, well, 706 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: not really, because this is the world we're living in 707 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: and like this is it's the literally the narrative. 708 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: I don't think she wants to recreate the road to 709 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: reputation necessarily, yeah, because that would mean that she would 710 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 2: have to be taken completely down again, which I don't think. 711 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: But what does she think is going to happen at 712 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: this level of fame? What does she think is the 713 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: positive step from this? I guess that's my question, Like 714 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: how exactly? And can I say the only reason I'm 715 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: starting to call it out is because I started to 716 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: recognize something unhealthy with the Travis and Taylor of it all. 717 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: Because I remember there was a time in my life 718 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: where I felt like I was at a ten and 719 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: someone else was at a ten, and all of a 720 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: sudden it got out of control. And then all of 721 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're not at the super Bowl anymore, and 722 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: you're not at the aerostoor anymore. Like, and what exactly 723 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: happens in the months going forward? Because it feels like 724 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, coming up for air here. Yes, 725 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: it's very exciting to watch this, and they seem very 726 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: in love, and I don't have any doubts that they 727 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: are extremely in love. But is this all healthy? Is 728 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: this all sustainable? Well? 729 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: I mean that kind of applies in all directions. I 730 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: think there's no way out of them for this. 731 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: If they met each other and fell in fucking love 732 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: and it just so happens to me that they are 733 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,479 Speaker 1: the two most famous people in the world at this point. 734 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: He's winning the Super Bowl, She's Taylor Swift. You get it, 735 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you see them kiss 736 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: and stuff, and you see all the coverage of them, 737 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: and it looks like, Wow, look at them on top 738 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: of the world, living their best life. I guess I'm 739 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: just saying, you know, in her own words, nothing good 740 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: starts in a getaway car. I do wonder about the 741 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: fact that, like the Joe thing is just fully over, 742 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: like this was the love of her life like two 743 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: seconds ago. Like maybe it doesn't feel that recent because 744 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: we move on so quickly, but like for years this 745 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: was the love of her life. And now it's like, 746 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: what about the relationship that she just had for a 747 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: long time? Like are we not respecting that? Like are 748 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: we actually doing the thing where we're now in another 749 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: album cycle that's like not even just about or inspired 750 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: by that relationship, but deliberately manipulates and not to be 751 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: like oh tailor you know, because I'm excited about what's 752 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: going to be created for it. I just question whether 753 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: or not all of this is healthy because of how 754 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: big it is. I don't know if it's sustainable for 755 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: a human being, you know what I'm saying. 756 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing in the the evolutionary human brain to 757 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 2: like deal with this. It's just completely overwhelming and beyond 758 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 2: any understanding. It's really weird. We're it a really weird 759 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 2: time in the culture because I guess you could say 760 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 2: that monoculture is back now with this, like in the 761 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 2: last like ever since they started dating. I would say, 762 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: we've had one thing to talk about this entire time. 763 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 764 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 2: And maybe that's what the grip is on, like don't 765 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: let this go away. We don't know when we're going 766 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 2: to get this back. 767 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: They are being talked about like a concept and not 768 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: as human beings. I guess this is my thing, And ultimately, like, yes, 769 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 1: I understand all that because we talk about pop culture, 770 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. We get the way that these things get 771 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: filtered down to be something that can be like applied 772 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: in the discourse. But I guess what I'm noticing, and 773 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to remember more is that they are 774 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,320 Speaker 1: human beings and so they're going to hit a wall 775 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: on this. I'm just concerned about, like what happens when 776 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: people catch up with their feelings and catch up with 777 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: themselves because they're operating at a fifteen right now and 778 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: everyone in the world is talking about them. Yeah, it 779 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: just gives me a little bit of pause because I 780 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: think I've been through certain things now where I realize 781 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,720 Speaker 1: like what happens when you're operating at a high vibration 782 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: and then you have to come back And I just 783 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: wonder how that feels or is going to feel for 784 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: them and for the people in their life, because it 785 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: literally can't get more exciting than the other day, like 786 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: that is now done for some reason. 787 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 2: Both of their moms being there really was sobering to me. Yeah, 788 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 2: I mean it was sweet. 789 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: It It's nice. I love that like they were with 790 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: their family. Yeah, Travis Kelsey's mom is very grounding as 791 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: a present, and I would say Taylor's mom Taylor's parents, 792 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: And so I don't know if that makes me feel 793 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: better or worse about the whole situation. And I'm like, well, she. 794 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 2: Has they have people who have known them for their 795 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 2: whole lives with them to like check it against their 796 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 2: history and their lives. But at the same time, it 797 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 2: seems like the current and is so strong that everyone 798 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 2: is getting swept up in it. 799 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say, Like those people 800 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: are also operating in that environment. Yeah, you know what 801 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: we have to check in with is Ice Spice. We 802 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: got to check in with Ice Spice because I bet 803 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: she has the She she's got the clear. By the way, 804 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: they're saying, she was the reason for the radio they're 805 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: calling it the Spicy Bowl. They're saying this was the 806 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: reason for the more people watch this than the moonlanding. 807 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: It because of Ice Spice. Absolutely. Well, you know I 808 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: heard that Ice Spice is staged. I heard that Ice 809 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: Spice isn't real. No, no, no, I think she's real. 810 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 2: But I think she was in a sound stage and 811 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 2: then in Long Island and then they just kind of 812 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 2: like green keyed her in. 813 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: They put her in after Yeah, it was all fake. 814 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: It was all fake. But you know, we're got a 815 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 1: new music from Taylor. Can we talk about the titles 816 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: really quickly? Of the songs, I'm interested to see what 817 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: they sound like. But some of the titles, I go, 818 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: you know what is ultimately a product of the current time, 819 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: which is sort of beautiful and sort of the reason 820 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: for her appeal, right, But if like. 821 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 2: For songs that are like LML down bad, but Daddy, 822 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,720 Speaker 2: I love him. I'm like, there's something consciously Internet coded 823 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 2: about this. Yeah, and I wonder, I wonder if it 824 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 2: pays off, because these are some big swings as far 825 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 2: as names go, names of your songs. Whereas I think 826 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 2: she's avoided, she's been able to sort of like operate 827 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 2: outside of like a timeliness, and that's what makes her 828 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 2: time less, That's what makes a lot of her music endure. 829 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 2: This is I think, a departure from that. And I 830 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 2: think I have to imagine it's conscious. I have to 831 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 2: imagine she made that choice. But I hope for everyone. 832 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 2: But it's like, it better be good, is all I'm saying, 833 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: and I'm sure it will be. I think it's gonna 834 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: be very good because it's tailor swift. If I'm to 835 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 2: gauge something from the visual in terms of like what 836 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 2: I think this might sound like, you know what the 837 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 2: visuals are giving to me. The visuals are giving to 838 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 2: me very like mid nineties like almost adult contemporary vibes. 839 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 2: Like it's sort of giving me like Madonna bedtime stories. 840 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 2: It's sort of giving me like, well, I don't know 841 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 2: why am I getting like Paula Cole from it, like 842 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like a very sort of 843 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 2: adult contemporary like almost like like the way that she's 844 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 2: like draped like it's something mid nineties. To me, it's 845 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: feeling like Annie Lennoxy. That's the vibe I'm feeling from it. 846 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't know beyond that, like maybe it's gonna be 847 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: very like you know, lyrical, and like maybe it'll feel 848 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: very ballady. I don't know, because the images I'm seeing 849 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: are contrasting with the very contemporary titles. But yeah, it's 850 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing to see her enter into the 851 00:44:53,360 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: cannon anything now because she's now she's ridden the eras thing. Yeah, 852 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: so that now when she's creating a new album, she's 853 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: really creating a new era. And so you have to 854 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: look at these visuals like a world that we're going 855 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 1: to live in. You know what I'm saying. It's like 856 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: because that's her whole thing. And so when I'm looking 857 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: at esthetically what we're getting from this, it feels like 858 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: we're getting like mature woman confessional songs. Maybe we hear 859 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,359 Speaker 1: her sing with her chest a little bit more this time. 860 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,839 Speaker 1: That's like just a vibe I'm getting it's giving sort 861 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: of woman of the nineties adult contemporary singer. That's what 862 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: I hope for Anyway. 863 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 2: I love that there are a couple ways for this 864 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 2: to go in terms of the live piece, which is 865 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 2: for now, this is what's happening, is that that's going 866 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 2: to get absorbed into the era's sort of like structure. 867 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see her for album twelve. Let's say, 868 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 2: is it still going to be the Eras tour or 869 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 2: is she going to do like the album twelve you 870 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 871 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird one. Also, like her music is 872 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: fully gonna be out when she's still doing this tour, 873 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: so she has to do the new music, right, Like 874 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: is that an added era? Yeah? I think so wow. 875 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be after midnights or so well 876 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 2: be like they're better be closers, you know what I 877 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 2: mean on this album, because I think she has to 878 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 2: end the whole show with it. 879 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like she's not just putting 880 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: this album out. She's putting this album out at this 881 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: moment in the tableau of the rest of her work. Yes, 882 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: And I think that will say a lot about like 883 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: where we're at exactly you know what I mean? Like 884 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: also not for nothing, but I should just trademark not 885 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: for nothing, as that comes out of my mouth for 886 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: the fucking billionth time. But she's also gonna have a 887 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,760 Speaker 1: lot of other music around her that the girls are releasing, 888 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: like the new Ari will be out now we know 889 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: the new Beyonce. They will be out, and I would 890 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: imagine Dua's coming, Casey Miles Graves will have an album out. 891 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: There's someone else too, Tylay. 892 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,320 Speaker 2: Everyone's sleeping on, not everyone sleeping on if everyone obviously 893 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 2: knows water, but like, listen to the other songs on 894 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 2: the album. That is a great fucking album so far, 895 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 2: so far. Anyway, Charlie's working on new stuff. God, I 896 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,839 Speaker 2: was working on new stuff. I think twenty twenty four 897 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 2: is where the girls are all dumping their shit, which 898 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 2: I have no problem with. 899 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: And Katie Perry has quit American Idol and said she's 900 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts as a huge now you have 901 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: a special connection to Katie. Love Katie. I always root 902 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: for Katie. I feel like never really over was what 903 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: she should be doing. I want to hear Katie give 904 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: the delicious hooks. I want to hear Katie be big 905 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: and stupid. That's what I love from Katie Perry, big 906 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: and stupid. Like what is it? Fast and loud? That's 907 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: what I want from Katie Perry to put it in 908 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: the words of you and Tina Fey. Fast and loud, Katie, 909 00:47:52,000 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 1: it always works. The thing I'm most excited about is Beyonce. 910 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we had been hearing about the country album. 911 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 1: I think it feels so right. I love the way 912 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: her voice sounds on this. Just to like hear her 913 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: little stacked harmony is or her gorgeous voice over this 914 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: type of music. It's gonna be so evocative. It's gonna 915 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: tell stories like which she's so good at. I'm so 916 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: excited to see how this plays altogether. I'm really thrilled 917 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: that it looks like she's pretty much you know, visual forward, 918 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,360 Speaker 1: Like right off the top, it feels like her approach 919 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: to this is very different than the last album. It 920 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: feels like if this is going to be part of 921 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,959 Speaker 1: a real trilogy, that's very exciting for whatever the third 922 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: thing is. You know, we're living in a really, really 923 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: fun time for Beyonce. And I will also say she 924 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: looks unbelievable, like her blonde wigs, Like, I don't know 925 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: if you saw they cut to her at the game. 926 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: You didn't see, you didn't watch. I did. She looked 927 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: so unbelievably beautiful. And just the fact that Beyonce is 928 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: gonna be giving blonde country singer wearing her boy's jewelry, 929 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: I go, bitch, I love it. I love it, I 930 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: love it. And I loved her sort of tipping the 931 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 1: hat as it were at the Grammy's. She looked great. 932 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: She was on a fucking twenty milligram edible. 933 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was on another planet in a very unseubtle look. 934 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 2: I mean we should have known. 935 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: I feel like yeah. But also it was smarter for 936 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 1: her to sort of build all that into the original 937 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: Renaissance imagery too, because you're not really sure, you know 938 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's like, okay, so are you 939 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: just sort of doing a version of what you've been 940 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: doing for Renaissance with this cowboy dance floor moment or 941 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: are we actually entering a new era? And it was 942 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: squarely the latter, you know, I. 943 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 2: Think the fact three is rock. I feel like horses 944 00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 2: are that animal Horses work in any genre, Yes they do, 945 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 2: and that's for the culture. 946 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:07,319 Speaker 1: Number four. Yeah, genre and you know, happy Lunar New Year, 947 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: by the way to everybody, Yeah you lunatics, you lunatics. 948 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: I had deep conversations about the Chinese zodiac animals with 949 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: some friends at Bubble Tea, New York. 950 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 2: Well for my horses out there. I was talking about Whittaker, 951 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 2: our friend, Matt Whittaker. He was a horse who wanted 952 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 2: to be a dragon growing up. 953 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: This is so beautiful. It doesn't sound like a little 954 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: children's book. You know, our friend, he was a horse 955 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 1: who wanted to wanted to be a dragon. 956 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 2: But horses, I was just ingrained from birth, from my 957 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,880 Speaker 2: mother who loves this, and from the Chinese culture that 958 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 2: loves this, like horses are a noble animal, and horses endure, 959 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 2: and horses know how to be still in between moments 960 00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 2: of movement and like action and like activation, like horses are. 961 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 2: I'm not a horse girl. I've had close calls on horses. 962 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 2: I don't love interacting with them necessarily. You've had close 963 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 2: calls on Oh yes, I've talked about Iceland. Oh yeah, 964 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,120 Speaker 2: you've spoken on this the drone, the drone spooked it. 965 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I've spoken about this. But Anyway, the 966 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 2: horse imagery that Beyonce is working with I think is 967 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 2: very special and very intentional, and I think for that 968 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 2: to be the through line potentially in these albums is 969 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 2: gorgeous to me. 970 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: I think love. Uh now, let's just talk about what 971 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,959 Speaker 1: possibly could happen on this album. Do you think rape 972 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: El Sadik? Wait, that's amazing that this is used to me. 973 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by the way, everyone, Oh my god, rathel 974 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: Sidik's old stuff. I mean not old stuff, but like 975 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 1: just all of his work so good. We were we 976 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,560 Speaker 1: going to say, what is going to happen on this album? 977 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: And you were going to put out something? Oh, I 978 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: was going to say, you know, will we see the 979 00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: return of the Pussy Wagon? Oh? You think Gaga is 980 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: going to be on this? I'm just saying Beyonce said 981 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,279 Speaker 1: to be continued and Gaga said to be continued, and 982 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: it was never continued. And you have to imagine if 983 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,360 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a moment for that. Should Joanne return? 984 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: Should should Joanne return to ride off with Beyonce into 985 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: the sunset on the Pussy Wagon? Like? Should we see 986 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,719 Speaker 1: in a sense act two of that? Ah? 987 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know the video after Telephone that jonas Akerlind 988 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 2: directed with Gaga was for John Wayne. So a lot 989 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,760 Speaker 2: of little monsters feel that John Wayne is the spiritual 990 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 2: successor to Telephone in that she even like she's in 991 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 2: the sort of like million reasons paining kick get up, 992 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 2: and then like she like hitchhikes and gets into a 993 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,760 Speaker 2: car and then like the whole John Wayne saga starts. 994 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,919 Speaker 2: By the way, such an underrated video. 995 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 1: Oh, don't even get me stressing, don't even get me 996 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: started on John Wayne. John Wayne is disrespected, disregarded and disinconstantly. 997 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 2: And guys, John Wayne is sitting right there. We're all 998 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 2: losing our minds overact to Renaissance. Listen to John Wayne 999 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 2: and go to church. 1000 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: I just love John Wayne. I love John Wayne and 1001 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 1: the video. You're right, the video was completely insane. When 1002 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,200 Speaker 1: she was riding on that horse, by the way, the 1003 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 1: horse returns and she hits that tree branch. I said, 1004 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: my comedy gold, I said, Bridesmaids, Bridesmaids. 1005 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 2: So I don't know about this pussy wagon return, but 1006 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,320 Speaker 2: that's so interesting the girls are talking about this. 1007 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: I would disagree that John Wayne is the successor to 1008 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: tell Telephone, because they would have made it seem like 1009 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: it was a continuation, like there would have been some 1010 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 1: intentionality there. 1011 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 2: The way that like the way that like the way 1012 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 2: that whole Gaga in jail thing plays at the beginning 1013 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 2: of Telephone as a continuation of Paparazzi. 1014 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like we would have we would 1015 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: have gotten something from it that like that like suggests 1016 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,759 Speaker 1: that it was a continuation of that narrative outside of 1017 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 1: just being directed by the same person and having the 1018 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 1: same whimsy. Like if we're going going to see in 1019 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,720 Speaker 1: that two of that, I think it's gonna have Beyonce, 1020 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be very clear that it's 1021 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: like the continuation of sequel to culmination of that story. 1022 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: By the way, can we talk really quickly about Gaga 1023 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: at the super Bowl like this past week. I just 1024 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,359 Speaker 1: I forget that Gaga at a sports game is such 1025 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,359 Speaker 1: a I don't give a fuck vibe. It has been 1026 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: for decades at this point. Remember when she was like 1027 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: during like the Fame Monster era, she was like at 1028 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,839 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, like flipping people off, like just not careing. 1029 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,760 Speaker 1: She's like, don't she loves sports? 1030 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,959 Speaker 2: She doesn't, And she's gonna kick back and she's gonna 1031 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 2: wear something stupid and she's not gonna care. 1032 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: And I love that. We need the culture. Really Coachure 1033 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: number seventy. Lady loves sports and she's gonna catch to 1034 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 1: give back and she's gonna not gonna care period, But 1035 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: like we need we need more of that. 1036 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 2: Like I love seeing the stars out, but all of 1037 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 2: them were like playing for the camera in a way 1038 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,759 Speaker 2: that like Gaga wasn't. She was like, I'm gonna put 1039 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,880 Speaker 2: on the little eye jewels that like are a reference 1040 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,560 Speaker 2: to my super Bowl performance, which we regret. I have 1041 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 2: to take responsibility for this. I did not include in 1042 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,280 Speaker 2: my twenty seventeen year coverage. 1043 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: Take responsibility for your self self, because no one's gonna 1044 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,320 Speaker 1: take responsibility for you. Take you, Tyra. 1045 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 2: But Gaga at the super Bowl loved Okay, So what 1046 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,920 Speaker 2: else on Act two I'm open for. I'm just open minded. 1047 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 2: I don't really have expectations in a way that I 1048 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 2: think is not for lack of caring. It's just that 1049 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 2: like I will openly welcome whatever comes. 1050 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 1: Well. Then there was another little rumor floating around that 1051 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 1: maybe Taylor is on this album, or maybe Beyonce is 1052 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: a part of reputation and I said, hmm. I don't know. 1053 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,799 Speaker 2: I had to say hmm on this one in both directions. 1054 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense again, like this. 1055 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: Narrative that gets out there because it feels like they're 1056 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 1: the only famous people in the world, you know what 1057 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it is exhausting. Sure, well, let's it's 1058 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 1: just not not contribute. Well no, no, no, I was 1059 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: just I was gonna say, let's not pay too much 1060 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: attention to it. I'm literally looking out at a mountain 1061 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: ridge right now, and what everything feels so far away? 1062 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 1: Where are you? I'm upstate, bitch. You didn't tell me 1063 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,279 Speaker 1: that you thought this was my room at home. I 1064 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: thought you were doing one of your famous vacations at 1065 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,720 Speaker 1: like a New York hotel. No, honey, I mean New Pults. 1066 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,319 Speaker 1: Are you having a moment, I'm having so far. 1067 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 2: Well, it snowed, and so I want to be on 1068 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,360 Speaker 2: hikes and stuff, and oh my god, there was a 1069 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,160 Speaker 2: water color class today that got canceled because of the snow. 1070 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: You're going to take a water color class. I was 1071 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,880 Speaker 1: going to take a water color class and paint flowers. Oh, 1072 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: that sounds really good. And every morning you get to 1073 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: feed the chickens and the pigs and the sheep here 1074 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: and then you get to pick the eggs that you 1075 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 1: want to eat for breakfast. Wait, that is a I'm 1076 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: so happy for you. Oh Bowen, that's so great. I 1077 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,320 Speaker 1: love that. I love that you went to the woods, 1078 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 1: you went to the mountains picking your eggs. I went 1079 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:09,720 Speaker 1: so egg and the I just like my body immediately 1080 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,279 Speaker 1: gave out it. I was like, oh my god, here's 1081 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,760 Speaker 1: what you do. Everyone. 1082 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 2: If you want to scratch this itch of like seems 1083 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 2: like we're getting back into like cabin cabin tunes, maybe 1084 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 2: go to Waxahachie. 1085 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:24,520 Speaker 1: Now. 1086 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 2: Listen to her new songboard, listen to right back to it, 1087 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,280 Speaker 2: listen to her old stuff. I mean, you're gonna get 1088 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 2: what you want and the totality of Waxa Hatchi's discography. 1089 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 2: You're gonna find something you like. I guarantee you're gonna 1090 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 2: like to hear you go. My therapist said this to me. 1091 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 2: We were talking about like internet discourse, right and specifically 1092 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 2: like in the way that like you might have a 1093 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 2: moment of vanity or vulnerability and like see what people 1094 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,520 Speaker 2: are saying about you. And we don't have to get 1095 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 2: too much into this, but this is what he said 1096 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,040 Speaker 2: to me. I'm flipping to it because I wrote it 1097 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 2: down because it fucking blew my mind in the totality 1098 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,240 Speaker 2: of what people are thinking, you can always find what 1099 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,040 Speaker 2: you're looking for. 1100 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,840 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Not? Really? Can you? 1101 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 2: Like you go on Google and like see what people 1102 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 2: are saying about one person, or let's say yourself, or 1103 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,240 Speaker 2: you go on Twitter and if you have a name 1104 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,240 Speaker 2: that you can like search such as mine or yours, 1105 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 2: let's say, and see what people are saying about you. 1106 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 2: At some point you'll find exactly what your brain secretly 1107 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:29,400 Speaker 2: wants to find. 1108 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: Oh, I get that. Okay. So if you want to feel, 1109 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,400 Speaker 1: if you want to punish yourself, if you look hard 1110 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: enough or sometimes not even hard enough, like enough, got it? Okay. 1111 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,919 Speaker 1: So it's all about like taking the onus away from 1112 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: needing that search. 1113 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 2: It just means that it's all meaningless. It really is meaningless. 1114 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,960 Speaker 2: Can we talk about feud Capodi versus the Swans? 1115 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? I wish it was better. 1116 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,760 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily want to talk about the show. But 1117 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 2: what I the rabbit hole that I fell into was 1118 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 2: like reading up on the journalism of it, and like 1119 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,800 Speaker 2: they did a whole piece in twenty twelve and anity 1120 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 2: Fair about like where the manuscript is for answered prayers 1121 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 2: and his relationship with like Lee Radsville and Jackie Kennedy, 1122 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,520 Speaker 2: and like it's so interesting that is like that's what 1123 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 2: we're missing, that this is what's happening in culture. This 1124 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 2: is what I thought about. Like there's no distinction or 1125 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 2: difference between like high society in the way that like 1126 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 2: the rest of the culture is fascinated by these people 1127 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 2: at the top and what their behavior is and what 1128 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 2: they're doing and what their dirty secrets are with entertainment 1129 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 2: and like things in the pop culture, because we conflate 1130 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 2: those two now in a way that we're like, oh, well, 1131 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 2: high society is let's say the met gala where all 1132 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,280 Speaker 2: the celebrities go, and like high society in the U 1133 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,360 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four or is like the Kardashians, because we 1134 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 2: don't really care, Like the way billionaires are acting is 1135 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 2: kind of too dark to think about and too crazy, 1136 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,200 Speaker 2: so let's just focus on like these famous people who 1137 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 2: are like very much entrenched in media, and therefore there 1138 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 2: is like less of a like fascination. The fascination is 1139 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 2: just a little bit more informed as opposed to like 1140 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,760 Speaker 2: the days of Truman Capodi in the sixties and seventies, 1141 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 2: where like him dropping this Esquire article was like explosive. 1142 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? And I actually think it's 1143 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,800 Speaker 1: kind of showing up in the content of the series 1144 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 1: in a way that I don't think is necessarily good 1145 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: because I think that there's actually not that much of 1146 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: a feud here, right. I think what happened was this 1147 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 1: man befriended these women, he was awful, he wrote about them, 1148 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,959 Speaker 1: and then they never spoke to him again, and there's 1149 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: not a feud there, like, and I think that like 1150 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 1: what you're saying about, like the fascination of that is like, yes, 1151 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: very important, like in the culture and like it probably 1152 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 1: felt ripe, but it's actually not that much. There's just 1153 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 1: not that much there. And I feel like with Betty 1154 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: and Joan, there was actually a genuine feud there. There 1155 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: was stretched on for years in years, there was a 1156 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,640 Speaker 1: lot to follow, Whereas I almost think that feud Capodi 1157 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,680 Speaker 1: versus the Swans would be stronger if it was like 1158 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: Truman Capodi and Babe Paley and we just focused on 1159 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,240 Speaker 1: one dynamic because I feel like it's over promising and 1160 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 1: saying like you're gonna watch this juicy show with all 1161 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: of these women when there's not that much juice there. Yes, 1162 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 1: they were all dynamic people. They were all interesting, fascinating 1163 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,520 Speaker 1: people that had scandal, but ultimately this dynamic which is 1164 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: Capodi and them, like at least the three episodes at 1165 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,480 Speaker 1: this point, like, it doesn't feel like there is a 1166 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,320 Speaker 1: lot there when you compare it. 1167 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 2: I think it's going to do what Feud Betty versus 1168 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 2: Joan ended up doing, which was these two women really 1169 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 2: missed out on a friendship, didn't they, you know, And 1170 01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 2: I think it's going to try to do that with 1171 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 2: Babe Paley and Truman Capodi by the time like when 1172 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 2: he passes away. 1173 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Yet I'm sure that you're right, but I wonder if 1174 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,800 Speaker 1: it's going to be super successful because the thing about 1175 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,640 Speaker 1: Feud Betty and Joan is they weren't able to flesh 1176 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: them out enough where you realize they had so much 1177 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: more in common than they had in terms of differences, 1178 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: and it was really society and the entertainment industry and 1179 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 1: their specific situation and the fascination with the idea that 1180 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: women must war if they're equals that tore them apart. 1181 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Whereas like, I'm not seeing exactly what that parallel is 1182 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:52,880 Speaker 1: with this because Truman Capodi is truly just awful, and 1183 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: there are so many women that are on the other 1184 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 1: side of this conflict that are not all grounded and 1185 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,040 Speaker 1: based in this experience with him, and so it's becoming 1186 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult to see exactly what the 1187 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,440 Speaker 1: story that's being told is and exactly what the conflict 1188 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 1: is between them and him, because it's they're all different, 1189 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: and therefore, in trying to give all the women like 1190 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,920 Speaker 1: equal time, in a way, we're losing a central conflict. 1191 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, I think the thing that binds these 1192 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,960 Speaker 2: people together is well for Truman. 1193 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,920 Speaker 1: I think I think this is hopefully. 1194 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,800 Speaker 2: What I don't think the show is making clear yet 1195 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,520 Speaker 2: is why Truman is obsessed with these women, which is 1196 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,400 Speaker 2: because he sees a parallel in them, where he's this 1197 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,720 Speaker 2: boy from the South who like made his way to 1198 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,720 Speaker 2: the top infiltrated high society much in the same way 1199 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 2: that like hollygool Lightly did. Like hollyga Lightly was written 1200 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,080 Speaker 2: as based on women like Slim Keith, like Babe Pailey, 1201 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,520 Speaker 2: like CAZy Guests and Woodword, particularly where these women from 1202 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 2: the South who came from nothing ascended all the way 1203 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 2: to the top in this very American dream way, right, 1204 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,760 Speaker 2: And I think that is sort of the poetic, sort 1205 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 2: of powerful, narratively interesting thing that I don't think the 1206 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,200 Speaker 2: show is really shining enough of a light on. 1207 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 1: I have hope that it will, because I think that 1208 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: it has to like this idea that like, well, you 1209 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: guys did whatever you had to do to get here, 1210 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing whatever I had to do, Like you love 1211 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,160 Speaker 1: me because of my ability to tell stories and my 1212 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,240 Speaker 1: ability to entertain and my ability to really key in 1213 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 1: to what your experience is. So why are you angry 1214 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 1: at me for then using that to maintain my level 1215 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,920 Speaker 1: my place here and my level of notoriety when you 1216 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,040 Speaker 1: knew that was what I do. That is like a 1217 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: crazy personality disorder that I think that they need to explore. 1218 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: But the thing is, like, in that third episode of 1219 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,760 Speaker 1: the show, So Demi Moore, actually who's great in the show, 1220 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,120 Speaker 1: has this scene where she as Anne Woodward like comes 1221 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,240 Speaker 1: and crashes his black and White ball and he kicks 1222 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 1: her out, and it's very public and very embarrassing, and 1223 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, ultimately she's so outcasts from society that she 1224 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,680 Speaker 1: does take her own life and he's you know, really 1225 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,960 Speaker 1: responsible for that is the argument that's being made. But 1226 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: the thing is he's such a cunt to her. Yeah, 1227 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,680 Speaker 1: and the writing of that scene is also tough. But 1228 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,720 Speaker 1: I was like, he's such a fucking monster to this 1229 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,640 Speaker 1: woman that I'm like, how moving forward are we supposed 1230 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:42,600 Speaker 1: to like really want to understand or truly understand this person, 1231 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,000 Speaker 1: like when he's ruining these women's lives, Like they'd have 1232 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 1: to really do some work here in order to make 1233 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,520 Speaker 1: him not even just sympathetic because I know that's not 1234 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:57,040 Speaker 1: the goal, but grounded in a reality, and you know, ultimately, 1235 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,800 Speaker 1: like he was grounded in reality, he was real. So 1236 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,760 Speaker 1: I guess I'm just waiting for the other shoe to 1237 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,920 Speaker 1: drop in terms of the humanity of the whole thing, 1238 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,640 Speaker 1: so that I can really find the conflict and understanding 1239 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,080 Speaker 1: and the why of this series. I'm not sure what 1240 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,360 Speaker 1: the why of the series is. 1241 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would recommend because I'm watching the show and 1242 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 2: I'm going I want to dig deeper and i want 1243 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 2: more than what the show is capable of giving me 1244 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 2: at the moment, and so I recommend, just like reading up, 1245 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,520 Speaker 2: I didn't know all this shit about I didn't know 1246 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 2: that Aristotle Onnasis was with Lee Radswell at first? Did 1247 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,760 Speaker 2: you know this that like Jackie basically stole Aristotle Nassis 1248 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:40,400 Speaker 2: from Lee? 1249 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 1: So where's that suit? Then? You know what I mean? 1250 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,959 Speaker 1: Like where's Jackie and Lee? Like you know what I'm saying. 1251 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,600 Speaker 1: It's like, let's ground this in an actual feud that 1252 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: is playable. 1253 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,720 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, where the fallout from the conflict is not 1254 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,040 Speaker 2: like no one talked to each other exactly. 1255 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like we know how it ends. It ends 1256 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,120 Speaker 1: in silence. And also if the show is showing so 1257 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,840 Speaker 1: early on that he becomes a miserable alcoholic like spoiler alert, 1258 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: that is how he dies. So we're not even getting there, 1259 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,880 Speaker 1: we're kind of there. And even just that thing you 1260 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: said right there, like I didn't know that that's juicy. 1261 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,200 Speaker 2: Literally Lee was with Aristotle, they were date, they were 1262 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,840 Speaker 2: fucking for like a period of time while she was 1263 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:25,800 Speaker 2: still married to Stas. Ratsville invites Jackie to come on 1264 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,800 Speaker 2: this yacht that Aristotle has. The second she's on the gangplank, 1265 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 2: Aristotle's like I want her Yep, crazy, I did not know. 1266 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: That's completely insane and also something I'd like to watch, 1267 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then you have one 1268 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: of these actresses playing Jackie Kennedy, you know what I mean. 1269 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,720 Speaker 1: Not to say that like all these women aren't interesting, 1270 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 1: but it's almost like the show is doing a disservice 1271 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,480 Speaker 1: to them by treating them like like one sixth of 1272 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:53,280 Speaker 1: a situation. 1273 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,680 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right, I mean, there's all 1274 01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,400 Speaker 2: this stuff about there's so much reading about Babe Piley. Yeah, 1275 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:06,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's all very fascinating and as always, reading 1276 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,840 Speaker 2: is in a lot of ways fundamental, fundamental in the 1277 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,960 Speaker 2: more informative medium if you want information, and I just 1278 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,760 Speaker 2: wanted information. I was literally at dinner last night by 1279 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,920 Speaker 2: myself and just brought my iPad with me and just 1280 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,280 Speaker 2: like read every article there was, and I was like, 1281 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,240 Speaker 2: I'm having a ball, Yeah, just read it. 1282 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,760 Speaker 1: And therefore the show ends up being very useful. And also, 1283 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, but then I'm thinking, as you're talking and 1284 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: as we're like, you know, talking about this, I'm like, 1285 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,400 Speaker 1: this show, if it's about the gay male gaze on women, 1286 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,960 Speaker 1: that is really interesting. And the fact that he dehumanized 1287 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,960 Speaker 1: his friends enough to create them into characters because he 1288 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,519 Speaker 1: knew that, you know, the average person in his mind 1289 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,280 Speaker 1: would want to hear and devour everything that is the 1290 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 1: scandal of being these women if he was thinking them 1291 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,879 Speaker 1: as primarily fodder and scandal before they were human beings, 1292 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,320 Speaker 1: because that was his sick gay male gaze on women. 1293 01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,439 Speaker 1: Something they talk about in the first episode or second episode, 1294 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,680 Speaker 1: like you know, this is the way gay men think 1295 01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 1: about us. They think about us like this, this, this, 1296 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,240 Speaker 1: like that is really interesting, you know what I mean 1297 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 1: that there's something there, because I think there's something very 1298 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:20,200 Speaker 1: true about that that gay men in idol worship participate in. 1299 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't always happen with super famous people. It 1300 01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:28,479 Speaker 1: happens with the women in gay men's lives. Like sometimes 1301 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,040 Speaker 1: I hear the way that gay men talk about women 1302 01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, she is not a person to you, right, 1303 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,680 Speaker 1: And it happens a lot during the Oscar race, and 1304 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 1: it happens a lot during like times like this when 1305 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,240 Speaker 1: like women are you know out here as these like 1306 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,800 Speaker 1: concepts and things and ideas, like there is a humanity 1307 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,960 Speaker 1: that gets lost, which sort of ties it back to 1308 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,680 Speaker 1: the tailor of it all where you do have to 1309 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,680 Speaker 1: remember that these people are human beings and if that 1310 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,799 Speaker 1: is something that we're going to arrive at in feud 1311 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,160 Speaker 1: then I think it's really interesting and I'm really excited 1312 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,720 Speaker 1: to get there about how he lost permanence on this 1313 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 1: situation and on humanity because he was too gay, not 1314 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:20,680 Speaker 1: too gay, period. End of sentence. You are a humanist 1315 01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,760 Speaker 1: icon down, you are a true humanist. Got it from 1316 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,519 Speaker 1: my mama, got it from my mama. On my mind, 1317 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,040 Speaker 1: I got it from mama. 1318 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,800 Speaker 2: Congrats Victoria, congrats Victoria really quickly. There is a truth 1319 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,800 Speaker 2: to that, to the gay mail gaze, and I think 1320 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,880 Speaker 2: the reflection on that is something and another Lee Radswell thing, 1321 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,160 Speaker 2: which I think Alicia Flockhart is good casting for her. 1322 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,920 Speaker 2: I think she's great at that aside, I was reading 1323 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,120 Speaker 2: up on like Lee's relationship with Trumany because like she 1324 01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,800 Speaker 2: wasn't terribly pissed off at him after the Esquire article, 1325 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:59,120 Speaker 2: after Cooke Basque, but like Truman asked her to speak 1326 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,960 Speaker 2: on his behalf in a deposition when Gourvidal sued Truman 1327 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:07,519 Speaker 2: Capote in like I think the seventies or eighties, because 1328 01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,920 Speaker 2: Truman was out here running his mouth lying to people 1329 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:15,040 Speaker 2: saying that Gorvidal was thrown out of a Kennedy white House. Dinner, 1330 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,920 Speaker 2: and Gorevidal was like, I'm suing you for slander, and 1331 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,800 Speaker 2: so Truman was desperate, was like, can we please get 1332 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,880 Speaker 2: Lee to say to who was there? Can we please 1333 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,080 Speaker 2: get Lee to say something in my favorite? Lee refused, yeah, 1334 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:28,679 Speaker 2: and then. 1335 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:29,960 Speaker 1: Forget who it was. 1336 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,240 Speaker 2: But like someone was like, but Lee, why, like why 1337 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 2: won't you get involved in this situation? Like you could 1338 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 2: really help change this? And then Lee Radswell allegedly says, 1339 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,960 Speaker 2: oh whatever, there are just two fags anyway, just let 1340 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,280 Speaker 2: them do their thing. And so like it goes both ways, 1341 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,240 Speaker 2: and that is an interesting thing where they're like, however 1342 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,760 Speaker 2: dehumanizing the gay meal gaze is like it is refracted 1343 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,200 Speaker 2: and reflected the other direction as well. 1344 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,240 Speaker 1: I would love a show about that. Would love that, 1345 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,080 Speaker 1: And I like, maybe it will get there, you know, 1346 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,200 Speaker 1: maybe it will. Because also another thing is like, was 1347 01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,800 Speaker 1: there dismissal of him in some way homophobic? You know 1348 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,760 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I don't know, because like he 1349 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,800 Speaker 1: genuinely was that awful, but like there is some As 1350 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I watched the show, I'm like, it is so interesting. 1351 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,240 Speaker 1: He's like very foppish, he's very feminine. He's presenting in 1352 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,439 Speaker 1: this way and like he is sort of like this 1353 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,080 Speaker 1: like gesture. So in a way, it wasn't like he 1354 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,800 Speaker 1: was being super respected. He was a prop in all 1355 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,320 Speaker 1: of these women's lives in many ways, like you know, 1356 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: they can use language like that they go home to 1357 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,080 Speaker 1: their husbands. Not to say he wasn't in a relationship, 1358 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,160 Speaker 1: because we see that he was, but there's something there too. 1359 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,680 Speaker 1: There's something in the fact that you know, homophobia was 1360 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,680 Speaker 1: rampant at the time, and you know, he was not 1361 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,320 Speaker 1: looked at like a real member of that society, right 1362 01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,840 Speaker 1: if he didn't have these like you know, trades like 1363 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,240 Speaker 1: conversation and gossip. 1364 01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,560 Speaker 2: Well, his whole defense in the years after or the 1365 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 2: article was that like, well, what do these women think. 1366 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,960 Speaker 2: I'm a writer, I'm not there to just entertain them. 1367 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,920 Speaker 2: I'm observing and I'm using this stuff. And I'm like 1368 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,120 Speaker 2: that is interesting. You don't know if you fully agree 1369 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,120 Speaker 2: with that. But also I do see that as a 1370 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,800 Speaker 2: pushback on him being him feeling the perception that he 1371 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,040 Speaker 2: was just the court justter. 1372 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1373 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I just think that the story of Truman 1374 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:33,600 Speaker 2: Capoti is incredibly, incredibly interesting, like really fell down that 1375 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:34,919 Speaker 2: hole in a way that I didn't. 1376 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,680 Speaker 1: Expect Well, have you ever read in Cold Blood? I 1377 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,479 Speaker 1: never read it. You should. I mean, it is as 1378 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,160 Speaker 1: good as everyone says like it is. So it really 1379 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,320 Speaker 1: started true crime, to be honest, Like if you can 1380 01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,600 Speaker 1: really trace like the lineage of that genre to that, 1381 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,160 Speaker 1: and I think I just remember some. He really was 1382 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:54,599 Speaker 1: an incredible writer. 1383 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:55,240 Speaker 2: And. 1384 01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:02,439 Speaker 1: The interesting stuff that comes after Capodi, when he's done 1385 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,920 Speaker 1: this like master work and that has to decide what 1386 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,280 Speaker 1: to do next, is sort of what led directly to 1387 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,600 Speaker 1: this situation. And so it's almost best told altogether, and 1388 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,479 Speaker 1: I believe the best depiction of that is probably in 1389 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,320 Speaker 1: the movie Infamous, not even in the movie Kpodi, but 1390 01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,560 Speaker 1: those are both really interesting because this period was very fascinating, 1391 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,559 Speaker 1: and writing in Cold Blood did take so much from him, 1392 01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,400 Speaker 1: and I almost feel like there's some threads there that 1393 01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,679 Speaker 1: aren't being connected in this yet, but again I have hope. 1394 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,919 Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll do, because his relationship with that murderer 1395 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,160 Speaker 2: was very interesting and special, and I think that had 1396 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,840 Speaker 2: a very dark effect on him because he watched him 1397 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,920 Speaker 2: getting hanged. Yes he did, and so that is something 1398 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,000 Speaker 2: Nick Dick Kickock. No, there was Perry and Dair, So 1399 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,160 Speaker 2: Perry was the one he was you know, some people 1400 01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:58,439 Speaker 2: think maybe even in love. 1401 01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,280 Speaker 1: With Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have to do something with 1402 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,600 Speaker 1: that in the show. Yeah. Again, like if they're going to, 1403 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,880 Speaker 1: they have to also juggle the fact that they've got 1404 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,519 Speaker 1: a lot of fucking characters. That's another thing is it's 1405 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,479 Speaker 1: just like there's only so much real estate to tell 1406 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,320 Speaker 1: those stories. But also they're not being told yet, like 1407 01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,680 Speaker 1: this third episode, which is entirely like it's like a 1408 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,760 Speaker 1: it's like a creative swing they take where it's like 1409 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,640 Speaker 1: a documentary about the Black and White Ball that was 1410 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,639 Speaker 1: never actually made. Yeah, right, And and then I was like, wait, 1411 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,800 Speaker 1: so he actually did film this? And I guess is 1412 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,400 Speaker 1: this based on actual footage or is this all conjecture? 1413 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,920 Speaker 1: There was no documentary that followed him around, Like there 1414 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,439 Speaker 1: was no crew that followed him around, but like so 1415 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,920 Speaker 1: this is a thing. Yeah yeah yeah, Like and what 1416 01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 1: word did not show up? Right? So that's entirely I mean, 1417 01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,120 Speaker 1: And again, like I thought that scene was like juicy 1418 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,640 Speaker 1: and great because Demi got to sort of tear. But 1419 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know are people watching this, Like, 1420 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,120 Speaker 1: as we're talking about this, I genuinely ask our audience, 1421 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,160 Speaker 1: are people watching this are you guys watching food? 1422 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,600 Speaker 2: I think they're doing a good like cross promotion on 1423 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,680 Speaker 2: like for some reason, like diet Prada posts about it 1424 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:09,400 Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, work like they really know their audience. 1425 01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,360 Speaker 2: They're like, let's let's send it up to all the 1426 01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,960 Speaker 2: fucking faggot Instagram accounts where everyone gets their news. 1427 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:21,400 Speaker 1: Where do you go get their news? Yeah? There you go? 1428 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:36,360 Speaker 1: Actually you know I am I don't think sohney. Okay, yeah, 1429 01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:37,840 Speaker 1: should we do it? Should we move in? Should we 1430 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:38,320 Speaker 1: get into it? 1431 01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 2: Let's move into it? Yeah, this is I don't think 1432 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,280 Speaker 2: so honey. This is where we take one minute to 1433 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,280 Speaker 2: really reel against something in culture. 1434 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,720 Speaker 1: Matt has Matt sort of lit up. 1435 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,120 Speaker 2: I wish you could see over the zoom. There's a 1436 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,479 Speaker 2: twinkle in Matt's eye, and I think twinkler. I think 1437 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 2: we're about to hear why this is Matt Rogers. I 1438 01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,759 Speaker 2: don't think so many as time starts now. 1439 01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Trying to watch Trade after 1440 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,320 Speaker 1: having watched Traders Australia, I actually have to say this 1441 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,400 Speaker 1: has been done at a ten at a ten, and 1442 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,719 Speaker 1: luckily you can watch it. It is Traders Australia. Because 1443 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:17,160 Speaker 1: we have everyone in the room is playing at full capability. 1444 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,280 Speaker 1: Whereas now I'm starting to see, after watching this game 1445 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:24,240 Speaker 1: played really really well, that the current Traders US cast 1446 01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:30,840 Speaker 1: is not giving that level of competitive mastery of this 1447 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,280 Speaker 1: particular game. Now I'm starting to think, should we maybe 1448 01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,040 Speaker 1: go back to an all normy cast? But we just 1449 01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,040 Speaker 1: cast it really really well. I think what didn't work 1450 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,360 Speaker 1: about the first season is it was half and half. 1451 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,080 Speaker 1: And what's starting to not work about the second season 1452 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,000 Speaker 1: is you get the sense that not everyone is there 1453 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,360 Speaker 1: with a full knowledge and necessarily even intent to play 1454 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,519 Speaker 1: this game to its fullest. It's kind of just like 1455 01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,160 Speaker 1: reality TV stars doing Reality TV star, which is fun, 1456 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,760 Speaker 1: but is it competitive and is it compelling? I don't know. 1457 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, but of course I do. 1458 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:03,920 Speaker 1: And that's one minute. 1459 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,519 Speaker 2: I totally get it because I'm interested to hear your ranking. 1460 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,600 Speaker 2: But I'm finally finishing up Traders UK season one, and 1461 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,840 Speaker 2: I would say great season of all normies and they 1462 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,520 Speaker 2: were all not operating at like top of their intelligence 1463 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,880 Speaker 2: and competitiveness, but they were all like pretty with it, 1464 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:26,000 Speaker 2: and they were like they had their rationale for everything. 1465 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,840 Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed that part. It does seem like 1466 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,600 Speaker 2: this season of Traders, which we love, I love, is like, 1467 01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,519 Speaker 2: you go, well, why are Kevin and MJ there, Like 1468 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:36,280 Speaker 2: what are they bringing? 1469 01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,880 Speaker 1: And the thing is like, it's just hard to compare 1470 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:44,520 Speaker 1: them because I'm telling you, you guys watch Traders Australia 1471 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,639 Speaker 1: on Peacock. What's your ranking of the seasons? Oh, Traders 1472 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Australia is one of the best. The one that they 1473 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,639 Speaker 1: have on Peacock is one of the best reality seasons 1474 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:57,880 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Okay, it is so satisfying, It is 1475 01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:02,599 Speaker 1: so compelling to watch. Every minute it gets better. It's 1476 01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,760 Speaker 1: just so good. Whereas Traders US, I'm kind of like, 1477 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we could be watching something a little 1478 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,920 Speaker 1: bit more compelling if we had people that were a 1479 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,840 Speaker 1: little bit more knowledgeable and just a little bit more 1480 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 1: ahead of how this game is played. Where does the 1481 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:21,040 Speaker 1: UK one land in the ranking? I would say Australia's 1482 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,960 Speaker 1: number one, the least the one I've seen. Then then 1483 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,880 Speaker 1: I would give it to US season two. Then I 1484 01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,960 Speaker 1: would give it to UK season one, and at the 1485 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,519 Speaker 1: bottom is US Traders season one. But and that's not 1486 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,559 Speaker 1: talking about it, It's just that I think we were 1487 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,160 Speaker 1: working the kinksgar with the way that it was cast. 1488 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,639 Speaker 1: So you think that so far US two is better 1489 01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,760 Speaker 1: than UK one, Yeah, I do, just because at that level, 1490 01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,680 Speaker 1: that's where the reality TV start of it all pays off. 1491 01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like, I mean, we do have Parviti and Phaedri, Like, 1492 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,880 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, Like that is pretty fucking epic 1493 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,200 Speaker 1: and there's so much fun in that. But just if 1494 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,280 Speaker 1: what you want to see is a really competitive game 1495 01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,880 Speaker 1: of Traders be played, you're not getting that on US 1496 01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,320 Speaker 1: season two the way you're getting in on the Australian version. 1497 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,760 Speaker 1: And you will be happy that you took me up 1498 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,240 Speaker 1: on this if you stream it the UK too. Apparently 1499 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 1: was one of the biggest ratings hits in the UK. Yeah. 1500 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,759 Speaker 1: I don't know about ever, but like it was a huge, 1501 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,439 Speaker 1: huge success and people loved it. Yeah, which is funny 1502 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,639 Speaker 1: because Australian Trader season two apparently flopped. Oh really yes, 1503 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:30,760 Speaker 1: and it actually wasn't even renewed in Australia. Ah yeah, tragic, 1504 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,640 Speaker 1: I know. Well, something about Joel Kimbuster was telling me that, 1505 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,920 Speaker 1: like Australia, the casting is normans, but they all have 1506 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,600 Speaker 1: like kind of crazy pat like one of them is 1507 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:46,759 Speaker 1: like the first person to like murder someone, the first. 1508 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:54,280 Speaker 3: Person was the first ever murderers, ever murderer. 1509 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,719 Speaker 1: What it is is one of the people on Traders 1510 01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,040 Speaker 1: was the longest held hostage in like Australia hostage. That's 1511 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,040 Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, and now he's a hostage negotiator 1512 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,240 Speaker 1: and you'll see how that plays out. But another one 1513 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:13,680 Speaker 1: is another one is a psychic clairvoyant named Clea. I 1514 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:18,560 Speaker 1: love it. There's just so many characters like stars on 1515 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,639 Speaker 1: the show, and like you didn't need for one second 1516 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,800 Speaker 1: any of them to be famous, you know what I mean. Like, 1517 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,240 Speaker 1: and I think that there's something that's so great about 1518 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,160 Speaker 1: you know when you see on the outset the cast 1519 01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,479 Speaker 1: of us season two of Traders. But then it's like 1520 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,519 Speaker 1: inevitably they do get eliminated, you know, the people that 1521 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,720 Speaker 1: you were super excited about, like aren't there anymore, which 1522 01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,559 Speaker 1: is always the risk you run on an all star cast. 1523 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,400 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well you're gonna run out of like 1524 01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,519 Speaker 1: your faves, right, And so now we're fucking watching Kevin. Yeah, 1525 01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,600 Speaker 1: Like we're watching a lot of Kevin. You know what 1526 01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying, We're watching a lot of I'm Peter you 1527 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,000 Speaker 1: know what. And I'm like, here's my things. You watch 1528 01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,160 Speaker 1: you watch Australian Traders, and then you you watch the 1529 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,320 Speaker 1: season of US and you realize Peter's not gonna win, 1530 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,080 Speaker 1: like he's actually playing bad. 1531 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,760 Speaker 2: What's not fun? And again, we love this show more 1532 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,599 Speaker 2: than life obsessed. Watch the second it's out. 1533 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,280 Speaker 1: My thing about Peter and Trachelle is that, like, God, 1534 01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,880 Speaker 1: they're so hard to root for. God, you really don't care, 1535 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That is so true, And 1536 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,400 Speaker 1: that is more on not the casting. 1537 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,960 Speaker 2: It's just more on like the way these people who 1538 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,680 Speaker 2: have been on TV before, I think they know how 1539 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,639 Speaker 2: to like get ahead of the editors. 1540 01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like I would rather just see 1541 01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,320 Speaker 1: people who were clairvoyance. 1542 01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:51,200 Speaker 2: Hostages, like people with like compelling lives really really play well. 1543 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,760 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. Can you imagine rooting for Peter like 1544 01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe it's the batchelor of at all. 1545 01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm not rooting for anyone from the Bachelor. I'm not 1546 01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:02,080 Speaker 1: rooting for the Bachelor to win anything. I still I'm 1547 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,680 Speaker 1: still rooting for Poverty. Feels like she's in way too 1548 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,560 Speaker 1: much of a corner. I think days are numbered for 1549 01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,960 Speaker 1: our Girl's still a lot of fun. Go Sandra, Go, 1550 01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:13,960 Speaker 1: Sandra doing the pool table math. 1551 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:18,280 Speaker 2: I loved I lived, Yeah, I love Activated CenTra. I 1552 01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,519 Speaker 2: mean it's the best activated Santra. 1553 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,439 Speaker 1: So Bowen Yang, do you have an out of think 1554 01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,120 Speaker 1: so honey? I do, all right, this is Bowen Yang's 1555 01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,599 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and his time starts now, 1556 01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,120 Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey. 1557 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,759 Speaker 2: Performers who miss their center mark on an led floor, 1558 01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:40,280 Speaker 2: such as Usher, such as I'm sorry Beyonce sometimes who 1559 01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,840 Speaker 2: has had a history of missing her mark when the 1560 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,000 Speaker 2: floor is a screen. Taylor is kind of better at 1561 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,439 Speaker 2: it than a lot of people. But you know who 1562 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,280 Speaker 2: nailed it was her at the Super Bowl. 1563 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,679 Speaker 1: Her knew her to land. And can we just set 1564 01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:55,759 Speaker 1: a mark for these people? 1565 01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,560 Speaker 2: They deserve just a little mini mark that like we 1566 01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,960 Speaker 2: at home can't see, but just something that lets them 1567 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,000 Speaker 2: know to land at the right spot so that it 1568 01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,439 Speaker 2: looks like there's ripples coming out of them, so that 1569 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,200 Speaker 2: it looks like they are seen stuck in the outline 1570 01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,240 Speaker 2: of their body. Let's deliver on the promise of the premise. 1571 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,919 Speaker 2: Let's make sure these people are set up for success. 1572 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,680 Speaker 2: I want them to have the best night of their 1573 01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,280 Speaker 2: lives performing while they're walking around stomping on a screen 1574 01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,960 Speaker 2: floor or LEDs give the technology so that they know 1575 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:27,519 Speaker 2: where to land. 1576 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:29,639 Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Well, first of all, I want 1577 01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,839 Speaker 1: to say, the episode title is the promise of the premise, 1578 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,799 Speaker 1: and I just can't. I go back to my central 1579 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,200 Speaker 1: theme for this episode, which is humanity. These people are humans. 1580 01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,120 Speaker 1: They can't just hit every mark because you say of 1581 01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,800 Speaker 1: Owen Yang, I'm not that. I don't think some money 1582 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:45,479 Speaker 1: is not on them. 1583 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,920 Speaker 2: It's on the production of it all. It's on the 1584 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,800 Speaker 2: people who are like, let's set a mark for usher. 1585 01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,479 Speaker 2: Let's set a mark for these people to know where 1586 01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,240 Speaker 2: they land. I'm not blaming Beyonce for missing where she 1587 01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:58,639 Speaker 2: was supposed to lay down and pose. 1588 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,280 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I'm huge. But you did say with your chest, 1589 01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,400 Speaker 1: tailor is a little bit better at it. You said 1590 01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,400 Speaker 1: that with your chest. As a point of comparison, you 1591 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,120 Speaker 1: need to let go of say that with your chest. 1592 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:17,519 Speaker 1: By the way, you're saying chest and everyone turns off 1593 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,680 Speaker 1: the pod. No, everyone. You should be so lucky to 1594 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:25,000 Speaker 1: hear Matt Rodgers saying who cares? Yeah, I hear you, 1595 01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,040 Speaker 1: I hear you. People need to be hitting their marks. 1596 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,400 Speaker 1: The super bullets, the biggest, the set marks better. How 1597 01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,240 Speaker 1: are you with hitting marks? I'm it's hard. I don't 1598 01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:34,760 Speaker 1: is hard. 1599 01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:40,280 Speaker 2: Deny that it's very difficult. But if you're dancing, you 1600 01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,799 Speaker 2: can like peep at the floor like I think ushers 1601 01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,280 Speaker 2: should be at the center of the concentric circles. That's 1602 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,320 Speaker 2: all I'm saying, and that I'm gonna put that on 1603 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,400 Speaker 2: the team that goes we're using an led floor. We're 1604 01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,360 Speaker 2: gonna do all this ship and make it look cool. 1605 01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,000 Speaker 2: We'll then make it look cool, make sure the person 1606 01:25:59,120 --> 01:25:59,960 Speaker 2: is in the right spot. 1607 01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:01,679 Speaker 1: And that's on the team. 1608 01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm just blaming it on the production. And that's not 1609 01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,760 Speaker 2: even towards people. That's towards the idea. That's towards the 1610 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,280 Speaker 2: checklist that's being made. Yeah, put that on the checklist. 1611 01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,360 Speaker 1: Put it on the checklist. And I'm sort of over 1612 01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:20,840 Speaker 1: here being like God, human beings they miss marks. I'm understanding, concerned, Queen. 1613 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm understanding concerned Queen two. 1614 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,960 Speaker 2: But I think if we want to deliver on the 1615 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,120 Speaker 2: promise of the promise, then we should set the mark. 1616 01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,000 Speaker 1: Girl, is the promise of your premise that you're gonna 1617 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,320 Speaker 1: go frolic in the mountains right now. 1618 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,840 Speaker 2: It's cold, it's snowy. I'm gonna read, I'm gonna eat 1619 01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:37,240 Speaker 2: a burger. 1620 01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna that's beautiful. I'm writing that's beautiful. Tomorrow I'm 1621 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna like tomorrow. Okay, yeah, Well, this has been an 1622 01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,200 Speaker 1: episode that fully delivered on the promise of the premise 1623 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:54,680 Speaker 1: of this podcast, which is culture and laughter, friend friendship 1624 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,720 Speaker 1: and friendship. Because I never, for one second during this 1625 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,600 Speaker 1: podcast had any doubt that I was talking to my 1626 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,519 Speaker 1: best girl and me neither. We end every episode with 1627 01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:11,920 Speaker 1: the song the same test and now hold up, it's 1628 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:16,840 Speaker 1: pret no, no, no, don't her loan notes, I said 1629 01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,360 Speaker 1: you better you better Bye.