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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: I know we need to come to the South. It's

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Speaker 1: American West. How's everybody doing great to see everybody. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming out today. This

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Speaker 1: is a big deal, big deal for me, big deal

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Speaker 1: for everybody that loves Arkansas bear and uh, it just

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Speaker 1: These guys at b h A do a ton of work,

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Speaker 1: so you don't have to thank me for anything. But uh,

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Speaker 1: these BHA guys that you've seen, James Brandenburg being the

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Speaker 1: Myron means is gonna open us up with a banjo tune. Hey,

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Speaker 1: This is the world's greatest bear biologist right here. He

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Speaker 1: plays a banjo to Mayron, open us up with a

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna dance, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I don't know which one will train and work work.

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Speaker 2: This is uh called cripple Cree. You leave us about

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Speaker 1: That was excellent. Well, welcome to the bears Render Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is our This is our live podcast. So this

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Speaker 1: last documentary style Beargrease podcast. Y'all familiar with the Bargerags podcast.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for coming. Brent Reeves. Everybody knows Brent Reeves

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Speaker 1: this Country Life podcast. Were you last year at this

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Speaker 1: Happy to be here. To my left, Myron means known

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Speaker 1: Well it's good to have you, Maan. And to your

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Speaker 1: Now, do we know how many bear hunters are in Arkansas?

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Speaker 1: Is there is there a way? Every state's different in

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Speaker 1: you get a bear tag. But this year didn't you

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: We changed over our entire license system this past year

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Speaker 2: Coordinator is able to determine with a reasonable accuracy, how

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Speaker 1: This Do you know that number? Don't say it?

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Speaker 2: Do you know that number? Well, I know an approximate.

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Speaker 1: Can you? Could you say it if I wanted you to? Okay,

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Speaker 1: how many bear hunters do you think are in Arkansas?

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Speaker 1: If you go over, you're out.

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Speaker 2: It's like the price is right now wait wait wait

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you go over, you're out. Closest closest the.

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Speaker 8: Number, the price is right, twenty eight hundred.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good bear or bear brand whatever. It's like my

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Speaker 1: know the number. Twenty eight hundred. Just remember you number?

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Speaker 4: Twenty eight oh one?

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Speaker 10: Ooh, price is right, six hundred and thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, remember your number. Okay, I'm I'm going last at

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Speaker 1: what's Oh that's not fair, it's not go ahead, you

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Speaker 5: To do what you want, right if you say twenty

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Speaker 5: seven ninety nine, I'm.

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Speaker 1: You bear hunters in Arkansas?

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Speaker 3: Now, this is the state wide d gets their help

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Speaker 6: More than more than five thousand, more than ten thousand.

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Speaker 6: I think they're really optimistic. I'm gonna go for ten thousand.

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Speaker 5: Ten thousand.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's mmmm Patrick.

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Speaker 5: Not my my h My question though, Myron is Oh,

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Speaker 9: If this was irid, I'm gonna give you one question.

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Speaker 9: Are these folks that aren't saying that they're taking opportunity

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Speaker 5: This is what they do.

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Speaker 1: It's just a legal requirement to hunt a bear.

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Speaker 2: You if I was going go ahead, ma, if you

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Speaker 5: That was my question.

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Speaker 2: You're deer hunting and the bear walks by, you can

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Speaker 9: So before you said that, if this were the price

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Speaker 2: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: There have been a good move maybe right.

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Speaker 9: But since you're going last, I can't do that anyway.

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Speaker 9: I would say, Uh, I'd say eighty five hundred eighty five.

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 3: Good pha. Guys are optimistic down here.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but the incident, the opportunistic part is the part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tricky one.

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Speaker 1: What was yours? Twenty eight?

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Speaker 1: Whoa, my goodness, wo wow, Okay, should have listened to

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Speaker 3: Can can we say how many bears we had harvested

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seven hundred and sixty five record harvest year.

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Speaker 1: For our record harvest year in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: And is that what third consecutive bear season?

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Speaker 2: I mean we're actually getting up there and harvesting the

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Speaker 2: That's about where we need to be. We need to

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, if we got time to dig into it,

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the bear world, bear management, you know, sustainable harvest

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Speaker 2: You can only harvest so many females in a population

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Speaker 2: and those practices be sustainable. Well, if bears the magic

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Speaker 1: In the son it does that, okay. So if the

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Forty six percent SAL, okay.

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Speaker 2: our female harvest rate was forty eight percent this year, okay.

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Speaker 2: And in the past when we've had earlier openers, you

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Speaker 2: forty eight forty nine fifty female harvest rates isn't really sustainable,

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Speaker 1: Popular you understand, son, I do that, and so you know, part.

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Speaker 2: through different podcasts and a rigorous education campaign, you know,

439
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure we can kind of convince people that. Yeah,

440
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: so we need to be all let.

441
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Me give a little spiel about so the earlier season

442
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 1: dates for those of you who hunt bears, whether you're

443
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: hunting the national forest or you're hunting overbait on private land,

444
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: earlier season dates greatly increase your chance, first of all,

445
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: killing the bear. But what I always say number two

446
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: is it increases your chance of killing the target bear.

447
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've baited bears at all, you know

448
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: that in early September, I mean you've got your big

449
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: mails coming in during the daylight, doing stuff that just

450
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: makes you think you're gonna have that bear's gonna be

451
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: standing there on opening day. Closer you get to October,

452
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: every single day, those particularly the big bears, start to

453
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: fall off debates, and a lot of times, you know,

454
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: if we have the later season date means it's just

455
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: more difficult to harvest to bear. So the Game and

456
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: Fish has done us the hunters. The hunter at least

457
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: in the inside of the hunter opportunity side of management.

458
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: They've done us a big solid by moving the season

459
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: back to the third Saturday in October or September.

460
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Excuse me, well, he's actually calculated the fourth Saturday back

461
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: up ten days.

462
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: Fourth Saturday back up ten days. Okay, so any given

463
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: year that could be from like the thirteenth to the twentieth. Basically,

464
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: the difference between a thirteenth opener and a twentieth opener

465
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: is miles incredible. It's hard to understand, but it's it's miles.

466
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: So here's what I The charge that I want to

467
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: give people that are that are hunting bears in the

468
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: state is that if we can self regulate not shooting soals,

469
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: we win because that that overall cell harvest number goes

470
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: down and we can keep our earlier season date and

471
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: so that the impetus really falls on the hunters to

472
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: self regulate and try to avoid shooting juveniles and females

473
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: and target these older age class males or just males

474
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: in general. And if we can do that, Meyron and

475
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: I were doing the math earlier, the difference between forty

476
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: eight percent and forty three percent is probably less than

477
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: fifty animals. So that's the way I'm talking to Myron

478
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, hey, if we and he's thinking

479
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: about it too. You know, if if we could have people,

480
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: by their own choice not shoot fifty fifty sALS in

481
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: the state, we get to keep our season opener. But

482
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: if we keep bumping up towards that fifty percent sal harvest,

483
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: they're going to have no choice to protect the resource,

484
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: to bump the season way back, which makes it way harder.

485
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: And it's it's and so anyway, man, I've been preaching

486
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: this for so long, and it's hard not to shoot

487
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: a soal. And there's nothing wrong. I mean, we realize

488
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: sALS are going to be harvested, and that's a component

489
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: of the management, absolutely, But if you're setting in it,

490
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: if you've got six bears coming to your bait, you

491
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: know what these bears are. I mean, you might have

492
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: to eat a tag one year because maybe your males

493
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: for whatever have peeled off and there's that one big

494
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: female that's been coming in. And that's what we're asking

495
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: people to do. It's like, hey, do your best to

496
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: not shoot a soal. And obviously we can't. We can't

497
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: shoot sALS with cubs, which that, yeah, you want to

498
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: talk about.

499
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: That, I mean I can. It's uh, you know, it's

500
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: it's uh one of the big deal about game and Fish.

501
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people think we just will

502
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: and only throw regulations out there. And you know when

503
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: you start talking about harvesting females or harvesting sALS with cubs,

504
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, present or something like that, I mean, really

505
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: that kind of boils down to ethics rule. It's really

506
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: not enforceable, and it kind of falls more on the

507
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: ethics side of something rather than it does, you know,

508
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: an enforceable legal side of something. And you know, I

509
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: mean gaming fish. I can speak for our director and

510
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: our director and all of our commission. We just we're

511
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: not in the business to regulate ethics. However, I can

512
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: tell you that, you know, something would have to happen

513
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: if we had two or three or four years of

514
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: you know, female harvest rates in the upper fifties one.

515
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: You know, just one of the things that's an easy

516
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: identifier is if you have a soul with cubs coming

517
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: to abate site and even though those cubs have been

518
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: with her all year and the likelihood of them going

519
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: ahead and surviving is probably pretty good at that point,

520
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: but still, I mean, you know, I tell people all

521
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: the time, you know, the reason why those cubs go

522
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: into that den cycle again with the mother when they're

523
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: quote a year old in a month or two from

524
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: marchery season. You know, that's just kind of the way

525
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: Mother Nature designed it. And there's no doubt there's an

526
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: added measure of knowledge and everything else that comes with that.

527
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: So you know, if it if it boils down to hey,

528
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, don't harvest a sow with cubs. If that

529
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: makes one or two or three percent difference over all statewide,

530
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, that's the thing it can help if you

531
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: knowingly have a sow. You know, I mean, it's like

532
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: Clay said, there's nothing wrong with harvesting seals. It's gonna happen,

533
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: and it's fair game, but just kind of keep it

534
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: in the back of your mind that, you know, unless

535
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: the public makes that change, you know, game and fish

536
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: charged with protecting the resource will have to do something

537
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: different some point in the future, whether that means institute

538
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: at regulations like not allowing us south with cubs to

539
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: be harvested, or I'm bumping the season back another week,

540
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: you know, to try and ensure more males are harvested.

541
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, that's the charge of the resource.

542
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think people can get behind that.

543
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think so. Hey, what's a a little

544
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: change is a subject here, but uh, let's talk about

545
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: let's talk about eating bear for a second. Should we

546
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: do that?

547
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

548
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: Can we go from from harvesting bear to eating bear? Bernie,

549
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: what's your favorite way to cook a bear?

550
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 8: I make a breakfast sausage at all.

551
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: It's a killer breakfast sausage. Yeah.

552
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 8: And I take the bear meat and grind it with

553
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 8: twenty five percent bacon ins and pieces, and then I

554
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 8: put a what.

555
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: Brand bacon ins? You don't get that bar s stuff,

556
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: do you?

557
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't care.

558
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about.

559
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 8: I don't think we have bars Minnesota. We're a little

560
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 8: bit higher class than yeah.

561
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 5: Oh well yeah yeah and then yeah right right, they'll

562
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: throw me out of here.

563
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 6: Man.

564
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I like chordsas it's yeah pretty country here. Yeah,

565
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 8: bacon ins and pieces and then a seasoning that's uh,

566
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 8: it's a Cabella's German breakfast sausage seasoning. And it's it's like,

567
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 8: I don't know, if you're familiar with Johnsonville sausages, breakfast sausage.

568
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 5: It's at least that good. There may be better.

569
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: And hey, let me ask you a question. So in

570
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: the in the deer hunting world, elk hunting, any kind

571
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: of ungulate, you know, usually the big males are not

572
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: gonna taste as good as female Like a big buck's

573
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: not gonna taste as good as a dough. Have you

574
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: found that a big, old male bear would taste different

575
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: than a young bear?

576
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 5: Not really?

577
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

578
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 8: The difference that you will notice in bears is what

579
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 8: they've been eating. And if you take really good care

580
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 8: of the meat when you first get it, get it

581
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 8: cooled off quickly, that's the difference. I've shot five hundred

582
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 8: pound bears and one hundred and five pound bears and

583
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 8: there's not much difference.

584
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what I was going to I hadn't

585
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: talked to him about that. That's been my experience, which

586
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: is not intuitive mine too. I mean, man, you kill

587
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: a five hundred pound bear, it's gonna be in my

588
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: what I've seen, the meat is just as good as

589
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: if you'd kill the young one. You wouldn't think that

590
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the same way with hogs, wouldn't be

591
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: the same way with elk or deer. But Brian, what's

592
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: your favorite way to cook a bear?

593
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 5: Chili? Chili?

594
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: Bear chili? Yeah, my little girl Bailey would rather eat

595
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: bear chili than ice cream.

596
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 5: Well that maybe not.

597
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Ice cream, but bear flavored ice cream.

598
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: But that bear chili, that's that's a big thing.

599
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: Very chili, Yeah, anything special, just.

600
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, towns and chili season in it. Where's them folks at?

601
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: Where's my man with the towns and spice?

602
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 5: Right?

603
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: Big caboy Misty loves cooking bear.

604
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 10: I do love cooking bear.

605
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 11: And my favorite way to cook bear is any way

606
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 11: that you cook it and it can be ready in

607
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 11: about thirty.

608
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Minutes and so, and that's kind of really hungry.

609
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 10: That's kind of hard to do.

610
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 11: And if we've got a family, We've got four kids

611
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 11: that have been raised on bear meat, and for us,

612
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 11: it really we both have always worked and so it

613
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 11: has to I can give about thirty minutes a day

614
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 11: to get dinner on the table, and that's kind of

615
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 11: hard with wild game. So we've figured out a couple

616
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 11: of ways to do it. One is Carnita's and a

617
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 11: slow cooker, and that's about so Clay and Bear and

618
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 11: River when they harvest their bears, they have to cube

619
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 11: a whole bunch of it for me, and they're very

620
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 11: good at doing that. And so I'd love to cook it,

621
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 11: put it in a slow cooker and have it ready

622
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 11: when I get home if it's a special day like

623
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 11: a Saturday or a Sunday, and I've got more than

624
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 11: thirty minutes.

625
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 10: We love bear meat loaf.

626
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: We love meat.

627
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 11: You put onions, peppers, jalapenos, all that good stuff in

628
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 11: a food processor.

629
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 10: So it's really really fine. Mix it all together really well.

630
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: Hey, tell them about the research you were doing about

631
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: the nutrient content of bear meat.

632
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 10: Well of meat of wild games.

633
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't just bear, It wasn't just bear.

634
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 11: And I've just been researching a wild game because you know,

635
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 11: there's a lot of people out there who are you know,

636
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 11: there's some anti meat people in this world, and it's

637
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 11: really an uneducated stance to take because we pretty much

638
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 11: all of the world's B twelve, which you've got to

639
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 11: have to have energy and to have you know, to

640
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 11: be healthy, comes from meat. And so we really need

641
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 11: to eat meat. And there's no amount you can get

642
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 11: some of the vitamins that you need from vegetables that

643
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 11: meat provides, but you would have to eat so many

644
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 11: of those vegetables to get it, and not all of

645
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 11: it is immediately available. And so one of the things

646
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 11: you hear a lot about meat is that it's.

647
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 10: Bad for your heart.

648
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 11: That you know, they they's got a you know, it'll

649
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 11: result in heart disease, and that's only They've done these

650
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 11: lipid analysis on wild game, and it turns out that

651
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 11: God made our bodies to consume wild game and there

652
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 11: is an exactly perfect ratio inside of wild game and

653
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 11: grass fed meat for your body that it actually does

654
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 11: not result in heart disease and it does actually help

655
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 11: you manage there we go.

656
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 10: All of the cardiovascular disease, arthritis.

657
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: All of these things. Yeah, I mean, I'm preaching to

658
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: the choir. But these are things I think that need

659
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: to be on our tongues and just an under we

660
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: have an understanding of it. I mean, the wild game

661
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: is the most incredible meat on planet Earth. But from

662
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: every from every angle, from the environmental angle to the

663
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: sustainable angle, to human health angle to social the social angle. Incredible. Okay,

664
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna go around. We'll make it quick. To me,

665
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: there's a big five for for bear meat, burgers, spaghetti,

666
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: taco meat, meat loaf, and what am I missing?

667
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 5: Ice cream?

668
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: Ice cream? The big five be nachos?

669
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 10: Is what Clay makes? You've missed chili?

670
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: I missed? What now chili? I'm chili?

671
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 5: Yeah?

672
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Big five? Man bear meat Yeah, bear meats incredible, Mara,

673
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: what's your favorway?

674
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: Cook it bear tips over us? Really no doubt about it. Really?

675
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: How do you do it? Uh?

676
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: Usually just separate out a nice big muscle chunk, put

677
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: it in a crock pot, a couple of cans of

678
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: cream and mushroom soup. Let it, let it cook for

679
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: six seven hours. Put it over rice. That sounds good,

680
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: plenty of plenty of pepper, salt.

681
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 3: What time is dinner?

682
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 5: Yeah? I like it?

683
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 6: Any way, I've had it every single way I've had it.

684
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 6: I couldn't tell you a favorite.

685
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I love it all right, Patrick, have you eaten much bear?

686
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 5: Oh yeah?

687
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 9: So every for a couple of years, every fall we

688
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 9: would have the Patrick Killed It Game Feast.

689
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: Oh wow. Yeah it was awesome because I I, you.

690
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 9: Know, I live in a community even if they don't hunt, like,

691
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 9: they're all about wild game and so you know, in

692
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 9: the fall, you know, i'd have you know, a bunch

693
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 9: of you know, ducks and geese and grouse and woodcock.

694
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 9: Where I live, we had a fall turkey season, plenty

695
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 9: of deer meat to go around. But my one of

696
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 9: my buddies would always get a bear every year. And

697
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 9: I am such a lazy cook. I would give out

698
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 9: while the wild game to all my friends that would

699
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 9: come to the Patrick Killed It Game feast, so that

700
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 9: I didn't have to worry about cooking that.

701
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: You know.

702
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 9: My only rule for everybody was, like any wild game

703
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 9: is I trying to grill everything. As soon as you

704
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 9: overcook it in general, you're done, right. You've got to

705
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 9: be able to deal with you know, not overcooking it.

706
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 9: No matter what you think your preferences, I'll invite you

707
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 9: to the Patrick killed It game feast.

708
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: I wish I had a clay killed its. Yeah, we don't.

709
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: I think you need to start that.

710
00:38:48,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Bernie. So, Bernie's hunted bears all over North Maurya.

711
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: You've never hunted Arkansas, though. We need to choose mad

712
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: at you because you were You got the job over me,

713
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: so I never invited you down here.

714
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: Well, are you still mad at me?

715
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: I want to bring out that and bring that up now.

716
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 8: I definitely want to hunt Arkansas. I got a long

717
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 8: list of places I've hunted, and it's this.

718
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Is a hole in the map.

719
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 5: Pretty bad that this ain't one of them.

720
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 8: Well, uh, my question to you though, is I hear

721
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 8: your son's probably a really good guy bear.

722
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 5: Will you take me hunting here?

723
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: What do he say? What do he say? Oh? He

724
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: gives the thumbs up. All right, you have to find

725
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: a new spot. Bernie's not setting in my spot. I'm

726
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: teasing Bernie.

727
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 5: Takes me where you took Colby.

728
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's your favorite place to bear hunt?

729
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

730
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: All yeah, I mean Bernie's hunted probably all the Canadian provinces.

731
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: Except for a couple of Eastern ones. Yeah. Wow, you know,

732
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 5: can I give you like three each.

733
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: Sure.

734
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 5: Okay.

735
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 8: So my favorite di i Y hunt, where I just

736
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 8: went and hunted on my own, was in Wyoming and

737
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 8: really really cool, really fun chocolate. All the bears are brown.

738
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 8: I got like nine bears on baits. They're all brown,

739
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 8: no black ones. That was pretty cool.

740
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: So you were doing it, you were baiting bears.

741
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 8: And yeah, I mean yeah on a four wheeler and

742
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 8: public land in the mountains and beautiful country. It was

743
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 8: really fun. I killed a really nice bear. I did

744
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 8: that in Idaho too, which was pretty cool. But man,

745
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 8: I love Maine. Maine is a fun place to hunt bears.

746
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 5: Boy, I'll tell you what. Where's Todd? Todd?

747
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: Todd? Yeah, Todd.

748
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 8: What I'm about to say. If you said you can

749
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 8: only hunt one place for the rest of your life,

750
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 8: it would be a spring bear hunt in the Baldy Mountain.

751
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: Baldy Mountain.

752
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 8: Yeah there, Manitoba, the Duck Mountains, Baldy Mountain Outfitters, he's here.

753
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 8: I've killed some nice bears with him. But the Duck

754
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 8: Mountains of Manitoba they got at all. They got big bears,

755
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 8: they got lots of bears, they got.

756
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that, and you're not just saying that because

757
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: Todd's our friend. I mean, for real, I've hunted there.

758
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean that part of Manitoba is special. It is,

759
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of other great places in Canada too,

760
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: but that's a cool place to hunt them.

761
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

762
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, cool, I'm going there in June.

763
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Todd, I owe you a bow and I forgot it.

764
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: Bear forgot it. I told Todd I was going to

765
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: give him a you know, the bow. I don't know

766
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: if you guys saw it, but on the Meat either episode,

767
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: the bow that I used in Alaska on the wake board, Yeah,

768
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: the boogie board.

769
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: Bear.

770
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: Well, Todd, that's your bow. I told Todd's my friend.

771
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: I told him I was going to give him a bow.

772
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: I forgot to bring it, Todd. I guess we're kind

773
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: of having a private conversation here. I'll get it to you.

774
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 10: He's just a clear Bears name. He had nothing to

775
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 10: do with that.

776
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: Bears should have known that I needed that bow here.

777
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: I blame Bear new Com for this.

778
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: He drove all the way down here just for that class.

779
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Just ye, just to get scolded. Brent. Where's your favorite

780
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: place to bear hunt?

781
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 5: You missed that out loud? No?

782
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 4: Well, it had to be here. I mean, this is

783
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: you have such a connection with the land here, even

784
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: though I didn't grow up in in western Arkansas, where

785
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 4: you know where I've killed all three of the bears

786
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: that I've killed is over there. I have such a

787
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 4: connection with this state and and what's going on here

788
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 4: and seeing seeing bears now where I grew up. I

789
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 4: cannot wait to kill a bear legally and where I

790
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: grew up, and the efforts that admiring, and all the

791
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: folks at the Game and Fish are doing down there,

792
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: and they they did those collaring projects last summer, wasn't

793
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: it last summer. It's it's I'm anxious to see where

794
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: it goes. Because the first exposure I ever had with

795
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: a bear, I was about ten years old, so in

796
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six in Cleveland County, Arkansas, and I was

797
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: cold hunting with my dad and the dogs had bade

798
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: what we thought was a cold out in the middle

799
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: of this beanfield, and I dad said, we got to

800
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: go out there and get the dogs off and let

801
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: this code he go. And I said, can I go?

802
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: He said, no, it's real muddy. It's kind of thick

803
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: right there, So you just stay here at the truck,

804
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 4: and he was out there about five minutes and he

805
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 4: come running.

806
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 5: Back for another light and I said, can I go

807
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 5: with you this name? He said, no, it's a bear.

808
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 4: Stay here. And I'm like, okay, I'll stay here. But

809
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 4: that was the first introduction I'd had with a bearer

810
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: in that part of the world.

811
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: And then now.

812
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: Forty years later there are people that are seeing them

813
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: there in that same place. It's pretty cool.

814
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: That's cool, you know when you look at years ago,

815
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: fifteen going on twenty years ago that I turned my

816
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: focus to bears in our really started learning about bears.

817
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw a map of

818
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: North America that showed where we had bears. Okay, so

819
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: imagine a map of North America and Canada that had

820
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: colored sections that showed where bears were well, from the

821
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Appalachian Mountains to the east, from Florida to Maine. You know,

822
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: there's this big swath on the east coast that had

823
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: bears in the west, from the Rocky Mountains west into California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona,

824
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: all the way up into Canada, Washington. You know, all

825
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: this western US and then the swath covers all of

826
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: Canada and all of Alaska. Okay, So if you're following me,

827
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: there's a giant hole with no bears. Hold with me,

828
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: between the Appalachians and the Rocky Mountains except for this

829
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: one little spot about that big on a map, about

830
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: that big that was Arkansas.

831
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 5: Yep.

832
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: And I remember fifteen years ago in the literature twenty

833
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: whenever it was. I was when I was at the

834
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: University of Arkansas between two thousand and one and two

835
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: thousand and five. When I was seeing these maps, there

836
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: was this little population of bears that was right here

837
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: where we lived. And at the time, I was like,

838
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: that is incredibly cool that of all this landscape that's

839
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: absent of bears, we have this population and today that

840
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: population of bears that was. You know, we could talk

841
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: this whole time about the reintroduction of bears into Arkansas.

842
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: You know, between nineteen fifty four and nineteen sixty four,

843
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty four bears were brought in from

844
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: different places, released in three locations in Arkansas and became

845
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: the most successful reintroduction of large carnivores in the world.

846
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Has spread out and now covers southern Missouri. Missouri now

847
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: has a bear season eastern Oklahoma. Oklahoma now is a

848
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: bear season North Louisiana. They're gonna have their first official

849
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: bear hunt this year, which is major. Brent and I

850
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: two days ago we're in Mississippi on a bear den

851
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: study in southwest Mississippi. And basically that little spot that

852
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago basically covered the Washtaws and ozarks is

853
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: now spreading out. And I'm telling you, in today's world

854
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: where all we hear about is ecological crisis on every front,

855
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: it's a major deal that black bears are expanding like

856
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: they are. And it all started right here, right here

857
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: in Arcas. This here for us, Yeah, yeah, no, it's incredible,

858
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: and it's incredible, and one day I'm gonna go into more.

859
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: We'll have a whole render up here about this. But

860
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the incredible cultural history that Arkansas has with

861
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: bears is unreal. I mean, you know, we were once

862
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: knows the bear state, and when you really dig down

863
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: into that, you see all of wild stuff that happened here.

864
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: But uh, it's such a and that's what this event

865
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: is about, is is really a celebration of a wild beast.

866
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: That wild beast, though, is only here because of wild

867
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: habitat wild lands, and when you the reason that little

868
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: population of bears was here is because this is the

869
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: wildest country in any direction for long ways. By wildest country,

870
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean just most amount of public land, most amounted

871
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: unfragmented sections of timber. And I'm going to use the

872
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: quotes wilderness, not federal wilderness. But I mean what we

873
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: have here is cool. Don't tell anybody.

874
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna cut that out.

875
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: Nobody cut that out. But James, this would be a

876
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: great moment for you to Yeah, yeah, tell me what

877
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me.

878
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 6: So, uh is everybody here loves bears, right, we want

879
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 6: to we want to have some more bears, and we

880
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 6: want to help get a fish commission do what they're.

881
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: Doing yep with the bears. Yes, okay, all right.

882
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 6: So as a thank you to you all for being

883
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 6: here today, the Arkansas Chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers

884
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 6: is going to donate five thousand dollars to the Game

885
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 6: and Fish Commission today.

886
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: All right, And.

887
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: Myron justish the bear the bear program specifically I was

888
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: getting there.

889
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 6: So Myron is going to put that to work on

890
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 6: some of the things that they were talking about and

891
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 6: he's been talking about with his research studies.

892
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: So, you know, in order to put a collar on

893
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: a bear, what do you got to do?

894
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: First?

895
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: Got to catch that bear.

896
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 6: So Myron and I were talking and he's he needs

897
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 6: some equipment to help with that. And because of the

898
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 6: generosity of the people here, they have bought their tickets

899
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 6: to be here, they're participating in our raffles. They're just

900
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 6: they're just here supporting conservation. And what we do as

901
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 6: an organization, Patrick, is we turn around and do good

902
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 6: work with the resources that people trust to us, their

903
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 6: time and their treasure. And so we're gonna we're gonna

904
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 6: trust some of that tomorrown.

905
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: You don't appreciate it. You don't have a big check

906
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: with you don't.

907
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: How much a big check costs. We're giving that to

908
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 3: the bears.

909
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: That's right. What do you do?

910
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: You know what you're gonna do with that much?

911
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 9: Oh?

912
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you what are you gonna do with that?

913
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: Well, lately, what we the last couple of years, what

914
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: we've been doing is, uh, we've been taking of course,

915
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: we we've got a new mouse trap you know that

916
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: we've kind of developed over the years, and it's a

917
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: pipe snare that we're using. But we also use live

918
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: catch traps. And uh, I'm sure most of you are

919
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: probably familiar with the big culvert traps catch trailer, right,

920
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: that's on a trailer. Well, we also have big basically

921
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: it looks like a great, big giant have a heart trap.

922
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: It's like a four by four by seven. And the

923
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: for so live catch traps, Well, the last couple of

924
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: years we have developed a way to put some of

925
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: the holl guy cameras or some of the live feed

926
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: cameras and put a release selinoid on them to where

927
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: we can close the gate on those traps on target animals.

928
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: He say, well, why is that such a big deal. Well,

929
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: you know, when you put the trap in a place

930
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: where you know there's a female, but all you can

931
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: catch are males. You don't really care about catching males.

932
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: You don't want to catch a female and a year

933
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: line in the trap. You want to catch the whole family.

934
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: And really it's allowed us to do that. I mean,

935
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: I've caught whole family groups in the trap when you're

936
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: watching it, I'm watching and when a female goes in

937
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: there a target female or the target female and one

938
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: or two or three of her cubs or year lines

939
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: that are with her. I know exactly when I can

940
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: drop that door and it's not a miss. And it

941
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: has red evolutionized how we trap bears and uh, I'm

942
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: telling you it's it truly has revolutioniz.

943
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: So you have an app on your phone that has

944
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: a it gives you a notification.

945
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: Yep, when you have it's motion activated camera system and

946
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: we we have a sellinoid that can release the gate.

947
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: Are you the one that has on your app or

948
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: don't you have people that do that?

949
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, we have a network a bill just that PEO

950
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: will help us. Peeps. Do you need people?

951
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: Do you need more people in the middle of the night?

952
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Is it like and your wife's like, wow, traps?

953
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we have a network of people and

954
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: usually it involves you know, a text from this person

955
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: that person, that person. Bear Bear Bear Bear, and so

956
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: you're trying to get on there and you're trying to

957
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: watch it, you know, and everything else.

958
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: There's Bear's only coming the traps between nine and five,

959
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: right working hours weekdays.

960
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: That's when they never come into the trap. But yeah,

961
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: I mean stuff like that. But you know, I mean

962
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: that that technology comes at the price I mean one

963
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: of the those camera systems is about twenty five hundred dollars.

964
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: And even though you know we have money and we

965
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: use it. Hey, anytime we can, you know, get more

966
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: money for stuff like that, it's great. Well, and this

967
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: is a ate appreciate it.

968
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 6: And this is a chance for people to directly influence

969
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 6: conservation work right here in Arkansas by supporting things like

970
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 6: this coming out with their families. And you know, we're

971
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 6: appreciative that they have chosen to spend time with us,

972
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 6: and we want to take that and and invest that

973
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 6: in the things that we love in our wild places.

974
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: That's great.

975
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: Another thing that the Arkansas Bear Program is pioneering is

976
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: this new drug. You want to talk about that for

977
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: a second.

978
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: I can't talk about it for a second. You know,

979
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: we started a couple of years ago. The one drug

980
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: combination that we have been using for the last couple

981
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: of years is called BAM. That's the accuracy and this is.

982
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: What when they do their den studies, so they how

983
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: many bears females do you have a collared right now?

984
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: About sixty?

985
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: This is o sixty females that are collared right now

986
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: that they're have a circuit of going in every year

987
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: and checking for cubs, and they're able to analyze, you know,

988
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: what's going on with reproduction, right, so every one of

989
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: those bears, they've got to tranquilize to be able to

990
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: work the cubs.

991
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: That's right. They don't just give up their cubs willingness,

992
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: like check these guys out. So but you know, we've

993
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: moved to a new drug that basically had a reversal

994
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and it is a great drug,

995
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: four bears, and it's scheduled to use four bears, but

996
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: it has a drawback. During the winter time, when females

997
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: are in a dense cycle, they lower their respiratory rates,

998
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: metabolic rates, and all those physiological processes to the point

999
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: that an average female may in a dense cycle, may

1000
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: have four breasts a minute. Well, if you give them

1001
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 2: a drug that suppresses that even further to have two

1002
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: breasts a minute, they're not going to be able to

1003
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: maintain blood oxygen levels and everything else like that they're

1004
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: under anaesthesia. So we kind of started a little pilot

1005
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: project a couple of years ago with some beta testers

1006
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: for the pharmacy, and they developed a new drug instead

1007
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: of BAM butrophenol as prone and medatomidine it's nam or

1008
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: now MEDA now beufeen as a perune and metatomidine. It's

1009
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: basically the same drugs.

1010
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Remember that.

1011
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: BAM NAM before it was BAM, now it's NAM. But

1012
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: the great thing about this new drug is that it

1013
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: does not suppress respiration rates as much during a dim cycle,

1014
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: which is a key feature of why this drug is

1015
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: so good, especially uh in the dinning scenario. And you know,

1016
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: if we get it approved, we're kind of the tip

1017
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 2: of the spirit.

1018
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: We organization using it for bears right now in the country.

1019
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: Well, there's other organizations using it for bears, but I

1020
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: mean they're kind of doing it under the cloak of

1021
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 2: darkness so to speak. I'm not going to throw any

1022
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: of them under the bus. But if we do get

1023
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: it to prove four bears for on label use, then

1024
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, all the bear researchers in the country will

1025
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: be able to use this drug, which is a much

1026
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: better drug in a dim cycle.

1027
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: That's good. So like it, like Bear steff, tip of

1028
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: the spear, tip of the spirit, tip of the spirit.

1029
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: You know, I was gonna mention something also, you know

1030
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned twenty years ago when you were looking at maps,

1031
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: and I'm going to make this real quick looking back

1032
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: at bear conservation history in Arkansas. You talked about the

1033
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: reintroduction effort. Let's say nineteen sixty, Fast forward twenty years

1034
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: from that, nineteen eighty. What was the significance of that

1035
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 2: first bear seasons, first modern day bear season in Arkansas?

1036
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: Teen eighty, fast forward twenty years from that, what do

1037
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: you have?

1038
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: First legalized bear baiting on private land?

1039
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: That's right, fast forward twenty years from that, what do

1040
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: you have?

1041
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: We moved the season back so we can kill big boars.

1042
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: I think statewide, Gulf coastal, playing coast.

1043
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: Sorry guys, I was thinking big bear.

1044
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically we you know, we reopened the bear season

1045
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: and basically four fifths of the bear state. So if

1046
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: you look at the conservation, you know, it's kind of

1047
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: twenty year milestones into conservation.

1048
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's really interesting.

1049
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 4: You've been here since the beginning nineteen sixty you were working, right, what's.

1050
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 8: Going to happen is eighty seven, twenty years from now,

1051
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 8: what's the next day?

1052
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, Bernie, that is a good question.

1053
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 2: Hopefully robust healthy bear populations.

1054
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: Do we do you think the bear population is going

1055
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: to expand into I mean, so the bears are in

1056
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: the Gulf coastal plane right now five hundred. We know

1057
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: the ozarks and Washtalls are maybe not saturated, but close

1058
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: to the carrying capacity of the land. Yeah, what's Are

1059
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: there going to be as many bears down the Gulf

1060
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: Coastal Plain as there are in the Washtalls or what's

1061
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen.

1062
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if those densities will ever mirror the

1063
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: mountain densities, you know, but I certainly think there is

1064
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: a lot of room for bears for that population to grow. Now,

1065
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: whether or not they're gonna, you know, disperse from the

1066
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: Washtalls into the Gulf Coastal Plain, from Felson Thaw area

1067
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 2: up into the northwest portion of the Gulf Coastal Plain

1068
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: where they're gonna come from. I mean, it's probably a

1069
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: mixed bag of everything. But I have no doubt that

1070
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: population will to continue to grow with good conservation strategies. Uh.

1071
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: And you know, I think you hit it right. I

1072
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: think our mountain populations are probably at our peak densities.

1073
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: Certainly what we can carry statewide sociological carrying capacity, which

1074
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: is a lot different than the ecological carrying capacity.

1075
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: You know what that means, son, No, explain it? Okay, Well,

1076
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: social carrying capacity is what the people of a certain

1077
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: region are willing to tolerate many how many times a year?

1078
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: They willing to have a bear come up and eat

1079
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: their bird feeders and mess with their That's exactly trash

1080
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: cans versus what the land could hold. And almost always

1081
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: the social carrying capacity is less than the lands carrying capacity.

1082
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: And that's where management organizations come in and they manage

1083
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: bears typically for social carrying capacity. That's right, because they've

1084
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: got to manage this resource based upon the best good

1085
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: of the animals but also people.

1086
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: That's right, and it's up to it's up to game

1087
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: and fish and d nrs to really find that balance

1088
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: in between. I mean, certainly Arkansas could sustain a whole

1089
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: lot more bears than we have now. But you know

1090
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: when you when when mother nature doesn't provide and all

1091
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: those bears go to bird feeders and dog food and

1092
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: cat food on someone's porch, that's when the public really

1093
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: become so excited about having bears everywhere. And so you know,

1094
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: that's been the charge of game and fish for the

1095
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: sixty year conservation story is to find that balance.

1096
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1097
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: Interesting, so interesting. We've been going an hour for the

1098
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: integrity of this institution of bear grease. We have to

1099
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: talk about wilderness. We always do this if you listen

1100
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: to the render, you know this, right, We like talk

1101
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: about something for a while and then we stop, and

1102
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: then we talk about what we've been talking about. Maybe

1103
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm the only person in the world that's interested in

1104
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: the wilderness. That's not true.

1105
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: It is not true.

1106
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: No, we did a three part We did a three

1107
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: part series. I kind of joke that it was boring.

1108
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 7: It was.

1109
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: My buddy Steve Vernella told me that, which, yeah, kind

1110
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: of kind of stuck me hard. It was more or

1111
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: less more or less the future Gift.

1112
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 5: He was on it.

1113
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, well, it's your fault. No, we

1114
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: did a three part series on American wilderness, and if

1115
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: you listen to it, you're gonna be up to speed.

1116
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: If you're not, if you didn't, you're gonna have to

1117
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: you have to catch up. But basically, man in modern

1118
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: times and the time we live in, wilderness is an

1119
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: incredible it's an incredible word, but it's an incredible concept.

1120
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: That's going to become more and more important. And basically

1121
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: we talked about how there's two things when you say

1122
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: the wilderness. There's the idea of wilderness, and then there's

1123
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: the reality of wilderness, which is actually federally regulated wilderness

1124
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: with a capital W, which is the most regulated land

1125
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: designation from our federal government. The idea of wilderness would

1126
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: be that that you could you could have a feeling

1127
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: of wilderness anywhere. You could go down here to the creek,

1128
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: across the highway here and be in a wooded setting

1129
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: and have a wilderness feeling, you know, being in a

1130
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: landscape that's dominated by natural systems without the marks of

1131
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: man on it. Right, So that could happen anywhere. That

1132
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: could happen on national forests, that could happen on your

1133
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: private land, that could happen anywhere. Federally regulated wilderness is.

1134
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: There are one hundred and eleven million acres of federal

1135
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: wilderness in America. Roughly seventeen percent of America is federally

1136
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: regulated wilderness, which is a huge chunk of land. What

1137
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: did I say that, say seventeen percent, not say five percent,

1138
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: not seventeen percent?

1139
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: Where come from?

1140
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. Five percent excuse me, pardon me, five

1141
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: percent of America is federally regulated public land with a

1142
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: capital W. And in this last episode we talked about

1143
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: two things. I talked with Steve Vernella about the personal

1144
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: impacts of being in wild places, like all of us

1145
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: have inherited this really a cultural inheritance of a particular

1146
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: way that we view wild places. Like if you went

1147
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: to anywhere in Asia or anywhere in Africa or even Europe,

1148
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: and you set people down and you talk to them

1149
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: about wild spaces unaltered by man, a person would have

1150
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: a sense in a way they would handle it, a

1151
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: way that they would intellectually think about it, the way

1152
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: that they would value it. That would be a product

1153
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: of them being in a culture here in America. And

1154
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: the whole series talked about this, but so much of

1155
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: our national heritage came from this idea of this place

1156
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: being forged out of a wilderness. And we talked about

1157
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: all the pitfalls of that. Oh, it's an incredible series

1158
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: for real, boring as it may be to some people,

1159
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: rent but we dove into some really wild stuff. So

1160
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 1: the great I'm given like a summary is this okay,

1161
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: little summary inspiration? Okay, Yeah, if you if you get

1162
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: hired on to come play, this is when you start

1163
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: playing when you hear me kind of get going. No,

1164
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: So the the early American wilderness prophets, all these guys

1165
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: mirror Throw, all these all these guys. They believed that

1166
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: wilderness impacted the the the the deep fiber of a man.

1167
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: Like Threau said that that wild places where the nourishment,

1168
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: the intellectual nourishment of civilized men, which is an interesting thought,

1169
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: Like what think about about for yourself? You guys are hunters,

1170
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: ladies or hunters, Like what happens to you when you're

1171
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: in a wild place? Like why do you go there?

1172
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: Why do you sacrifice to be there when you could

1173
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: be in the comfort of your own home you could

1174
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: be having all this, uh, the things we live in

1175
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: most of the time. What really happens when you're in

1176
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: a wild place. That's something to think about. Throw believe

1177
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: that it that it impacted him far beyond. I'm not

1178
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: a fan of Throw necessarily. Neither is Steve or Noa.

1179
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: If you heard our little spat about it, but we

1180
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: talked about that. I'm not necessarily interested in that as much.

1181
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: The second part that we talked about on this last

1182
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: episode was the criticisms of Federal Wilderness, which was interesting.

1183
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: There's an idea that federal wilderness is an elitist idea

1184
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: because Federal Wilderness can't drive a four wheeler, can't drive

1185
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: a willed vehicle. It's ridiculous. You can't take a hang glider.

1186
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: I always thought it was a hand glider. It's not

1187
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: a hand gliter, it's a hang glider. Can't take one

1188
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: of those in the wilderness. It says on the sign

1189
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: our government spent that much money on the on the signs. Yeah,

1190
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: I always thought that was funny. But it's the most

1191
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: restricted amount of land and all you can do is

1192
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: walk in there, ride horses and mules essentially. I mean,

1193
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 1: that's the only options. And so there's a some people

1194
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: would say that that land is then only for the

1195
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: people who can physically go in there, which is true,

1196
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: and they would say, well, that's not making it accessible

1197
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: to everybody else, which we talked about that. We also

1198
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: talked about primarily the management strategies. I had a good

1199
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: friend of mine named Adam Keith, real sharp guy. He

1200
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: I thought he gave it a really compelling argument. He's

1201
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: a land manager, and he he said Clay. When I

1202
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: hear somebody say federal wilderness, he said, I think of

1203
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: unmanaged land. He said, I'm all for wilderness, wild places,

1204
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: places that are untouched by man. But those federal wildernesses

1205
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: that don't get fire, that don't get any kind of

1206
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: management at all. He's like, they're wastelands like for by

1207
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: for flora and fauna, both invasives are taken over these wildernesses.

1208
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: And so there's this kind of irony that wildernesses often

1209
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: have a much more heavy invasive load than and this

1210
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: isn't across the board, but in a lot of our

1211
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: eastern wildernesses, they have more invasive loads in the wilderness

1212
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: than than places that are managed like national forest. So, James,

1213
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, it was a quick review.

1214
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: That was a quick review better with banjo music in

1215
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: the back.

1216
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 6: You know, There's there's a couple of things that really

1217
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 6: stood out to me. And and so when I look

1218
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 6: out here and see all these folks, and I wish,

1219
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 6: I wish that the people who are listening to this

1220
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 6: on their phones or whatever could see the cross section

1221
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 6: that we have out here.

1222
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: But I see a lot of people who like wild

1223
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 3: places and and for me.

1224
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 6: The thing that stood out was right at the end

1225
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 6: when you when Howe was talking about, you know, trusting

1226
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 6: the federal government or not, and and he made this

1227
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 6: point and and it was in order for us to

1228
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 6: have those if we want those places managed differently, we're

1229
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 6: going to have to ask the federal government to do

1230
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 6: that or trust them to do that or whatever. And

1231
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 6: so the thing that struck me and I went back

1232
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 6: to the to Roderi Nash's book and I looked this up.

1233
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 6: So the first Wilderness with the Capitol w bill was

1234
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 6: introduced in nineteen thirty nine, and it took until nineteen

1235
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 6: sixty four for that to finally get passed. Now that's

1236
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 6: twenty five years. There's a lot of people in this

1237
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 6: room who are not twenty five years old yet. And

1238
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 6: what we backcountry hunters and anglers, you know, we try

1239
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 6: to inspire people to get involved in the outdoors and

1240
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 6: get involved in how we think about the outdoors and

1241
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 6: how we how we engage with the outdoors and some

1242
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 6: of that. Frankly, it kind of it's not fun, but

1243
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 6: it's asking the federal government to do stuff for us

1244
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 6: on our public lands.

1245
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: And so the takeaway for me and then I'll quit talking.

1246
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 3: Is if we want something done differently, we the people

1247
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 3: here have to do it. We have to ask for it.

1248
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 6: And we've been involved in things here in Arkansas where

1249
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 6: we asked for things to be done U as our

1250
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 6: as our particular BHA chapter, and we were able to

1251
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 6: be successful with that. For people to think that their

1252
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 6: voice doesn't matter, I promise you it matters. It might

1253
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 6: take a lot of us, but it matters. So that's

1254
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 6: the that's what I took away from it.

1255
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: I was standing up problems with it. Then then it's

1256
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: then it's our problem. The system could work, Yes we did. Yeah, Yeah,

1257
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

1258
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: That's that's my that's my I loved it.

1259
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: I was telling you that because we're here in front

1260
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: of a thousand people.

1261
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 6: I love wild places and I fell in love with

1262
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 6: Arkansas when I started go into the wild places. So

1263
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 6: and I bet you for any any people in here

1264
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 6: who are from Arkansas, I would probably say the same thing,

1265
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 6: like our wild places are unique and we need to

1266
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 6: keep those wild places wild.

1267
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 5: Yeah. Patrick, Well, I do.

1268
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 9: Want to underscore what you're saying about the series, because

1269
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 9: if you thought you had an idea of what wilderness

1270
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 9: is or isn't. It will be very clear after they

1271
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 9: listen to it, and it'll it'll just enlighten all of us.

1272
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 9: I think in a lot of ways about what it

1273
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 9: is what it is, and I mean, you know, I

1274
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 9: know on a personal level, like, for example, I have

1275
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 9: a rule that I don't know if anybody else has it,

1276
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 9: but like if I can see turkeys anywhere from a road,

1277
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 9: I am not hunting there because that means everybody else

1278
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 9: can see them and I want to get as far

1279
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 9: away as possible and have my own experience. And by extension,

1280
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 9: that's kind of everything that I love to do would

1281
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 9: sort of be in those wild places, just as James said,

1282
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 9: is a magical thing, right. I think what's important with

1283
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 9: the discussion is the distinction between that feeling of being

1284
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 9: in a wild place in wilderness, because you don't have

1285
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,799
Speaker 9: to live next to a big w federally designated wilderness

1286
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 9: ere have that experience. There could be a town forest

1287
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 9: or a state wildlife management area or some other place

1288
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 9: where you're in the middle of it and you feel

1289
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 9: like you are a million miles away from civilization. And

1290
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 9: what was really well explained in that third episode to

1291
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 9: me was how we kind of miss the mark on

1292
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 9: the wilderness designation in parts of the country, especially in

1293
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 9: the Midwest in the East, because the whole forests have changed.

1294
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 9: There aren't the same critters on the landscape, how they

1295
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 9: interact with one another. There aren't even the same things

1296
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 9: that grow on the landscape anymore. It's not just invasives,

1297
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 9: it's just how the trees and plants have changed over time.

1298
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 9: And to have this idea that we can just shut

1299
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 9: them off from everything and it'll go back to what

1300
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 9: it was like post ice age is it's just it's

1301
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 9: a fantasy. It would be like going into your cell

1302
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 9: phone store and where they have the latest gadgets of

1303
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 9: like iPhones and Samsung whatever's and saying I would like

1304
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 9: a rotary phone, right, that's which analogy right, which it's

1305
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 9: you know, I don't even know if those things work

1306
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 9: anymore through modern phone lines.

1307
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 5: But it's just not reletive. I know.

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01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 9: Actually I called them on it, right, It's just it's

1309
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 9: just some of our ideas are coming from a good,

1310
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 9: well meaning place, but they've just missed the mark on

1311
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 9: how practical they are for certain places in the country

1312
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 9: that we will never be able to go back to

1313
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 9: what it was before, and that's one of the arguments

1314
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 9: of designating an area in wilderness. And I can tell

1315
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 9: you quickly from personal experience that one of my favorite

1316
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 9: places to go grousing would cock hunting. Up in the

1317
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 9: mountains was an area that had been managed over time.

1318
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 9: I mean, it was up in the mountains, and what

1319
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 9: I loved about it is that I got it. I

1320
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 9: got away from everybody and everything. It has since been

1321
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 9: designated as a wilderness area, which would be fine if,

1322
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 9: like your third episode.

1323
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 1: They don't have management there anymore and it's.

1324
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 9: Not the same place anymore. And I've gone back there

1325
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 9: years later and it's it's done. Wow, there's there's no

1326
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 9: the the limiting factor on the biodiversity or the number

1327
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 9: and type of critters that are still on the landscape.

1328
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 9: It's just not the same and it never will be

1329
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 9: because we can't go back to where we were.

1330
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 5: You know.

1331
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: So if you listen to the whole series, you would

1332
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: hear that I'm very pro wilderness. I mean, I think

1333
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: the wilderness designation and we all I think we all

1334
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: are on here. We're just trying to be open about

1335
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: the criticisms to it. The whole series. I mean the

1336
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: way America has handled wilderness has been has been monumental

1337
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: globally for how other countries have done it. We were

1338
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: the first place to have federally designated wilderness. I mean,

1339
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 1: so it's a an ingenious plan, an ingenious idea that

1340
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm that we're four and I know Patrick is four too,

1341
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: but we're talking to I don't want anybody to get

1342
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 1: the wrong idea that we're saying wilderness is bad. No,

1343
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 1: we're just saying the wilderness model has been don't touch it.

1344
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: And I you know, I hear what you said is

1345
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,839
Speaker 1: such a great example. I don't know that I trust

1346
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 1: what I said on the last part of the podcast

1347
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: was I said, yeah, these wildernesses would do better if

1348
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: they had management. But I don't know that I trust

1349
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: the people opening the gate necessarily, well, not the people.

1350
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: Just you know, if you if you open up the

1351
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: ability for that to be changed, will it go too far?

1352
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1353
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,440
Speaker 1: And that's that's the problem, just with any any institution,

1354
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: is like, would it be better to just keep it

1355
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: as is and it be a sacrifice?

1356
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 6: Well, Clay, the thing is with that, if we don't

1357
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 6: get involved in it and ask for it, it might

1358
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 6: just get changed without our input. That's why we you

1359
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 6: had I mean, I heard you saying this on a

1360
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 6: different podcast here recently. If we don't tell our story,

1361
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 6: somebody else going to tell it the way they want

1362
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 6: to tell it. And if we don't ask for management

1363
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 6: the way we'd like to see it, somebody else is

1364
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 6: going to ask for it, and it might be like

1365
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 6: you can't even go in there. Not only can you

1366
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 6: not ride a bike in there, but you can't walk,

1367
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 6: you know. So that's why we have to be involved,

1368
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 6: you know it. It doesn't take every single person here

1369
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 6: to be involved. It would be great if every person

1370
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 6: was involved, but it takes it takes dedicated groups who

1371
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 6: do want that kind of stuff, conservation organizations like ours

1372
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 6: and other good ones that do that work to be involved,

1373
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 6: and then people have to pay attention when it's time,

1374
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 6: and that's what we need.

1375
01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 3: That's my that's my stump speech, yeap, just to you.

1376
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 5: Know, add to that too.

1377
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 9: I mean, and I really appreciate you making the point that, look,

1378
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 9: we all care about wild places, right and you know,

1379
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 9: I know Aldo Leopold gets over quoted, but like this

1380
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 9: is really stuck with me. You know, he said, wilderness

1381
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,440
Speaker 9: is the raw artifact out of which mankind has hammered civilization.

1382
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 9: There's not a whole lot of raw artifact that's left

1383
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 9: in a lot of places in the country, and so

1384
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 9: it's incredibly appropriate to cherish wilderness and wild places and

1385
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 9: even wilderness designations where you still have that raw artifact

1386
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 9: or that opportunity where it can be what it once was.

1387
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 9: And so this is where pragmatic people have to have

1388
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 9: a conversation about where it's appropriate and where it's not,

1389
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 9: and that this you can't just plunk down some management prescription,

1390
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 9: which could be zero management, because it sounds like the

1391
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 9: right thing to do, and you love the concept of it,

1392
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 9: even though like that's probably not the best place for it,

1393
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 9: even if it's very appropriate over here in these stays

1394
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 9: of this region of the country.

1395
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: But at Adam's point, it was so well taken. As

1396
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: you can't manage these big, giant wilderness areas. I mean,

1397
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: there's wilderness areas that are millions of acres in the

1398
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: West compared to some of these smaller wildernesses that we

1399
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: have in the East. It's just're just not managed the same. Misty,

1400
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: what did you think.

1401
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 11: I thought it was really good and very very exciting.

1402
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 11: I couldn't I couldn't disagree with Steve Vanilla Moore.

1403
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 3: No.

1404
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 11: I thought it was I thought it was a very

1405
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 11: very interesting and I think it's important to just realize

1406
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 11: kind of what James was saying. It takes like twenty

1407
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 11: five years to make change happen and to sustain change,

1408
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 11: and it's really important to me when you think about wilderness.

1409
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 11: And what I kept thinking as I was listening to

1410
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 11: that podcast was how important it is to get our

1411
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,839
Speaker 11: kids out in the wild places. You can't outsource your values.

1412
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 11: You can't just assume that they're going to get this,

1413
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 11: that they're gonna they're gonna appreciate the wilderness areas just

1414
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 11: because you do. You have to get them out there,

1415
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 11: and you have to talk to them about the value

1416
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 11: of this so that twenty five years from now they

1417
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 11: can fight the battles that need to be fought when.

1418
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 10: Maybe we're too well too. Yeah, we probably won't be

1419
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 10: too well to in twenty five years.

1420
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 6: Now.

1421
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: There's there's never been, you know, the revolution in the

1422
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: world that came with social media, which expanded the networks

1423
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: of people to be able to communicate at an exponential

1424
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: level that has never happened before in human history, Like

1425
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing right now, is like this

1426
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: total experiment with people being able to connect and communicate

1427
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: the way that they do. And there's never been I

1428
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: believe this was all my heart. There's never been a

1429
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: more powerful time for sportsmen and women, conservation minded people

1430
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: to stand up and tell the narrative of our culture

1431
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: are the way we do things and and and that's

1432
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: what I hear a lot of these guys saying, whether

1433
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: it's being involved politically in different ways or or just

1434
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: even inside of your own your own groups, uh, just

1435
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: of influence in your life, just being uh, telling our story.

1436
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: It's powerful, and I mean that's what that's what we try.

1437
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,560
Speaker 1: That's what I try to do on Bear Greece is

1438
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: just like tell tell our story, interpret our our way

1439
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: of thinking to the world and goly Man. Time is

1440
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: such a deceptive thing because like we wake up and

1441
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: we just we're born and we come into consciousness and

1442
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: become adults, and we think this is just the way

1443
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: it's always been. But we live in unprecedented times when

1444
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: it comes to so many things. I mean, you know,

1445
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: expansion of human population in the earth, the urban sprawl, like,

1446
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: if we're talking about landscape level stuff, and holy cow,

1447
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: is our wild places wild places will be the most

1448
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: scarce resource on the earth. I mean, in a way

1449
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: it already is. But I mean, I mean, and the

1450
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: way the system works right now, it's such a unique

1451
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: thing in the world. But the but the hunters are

1452
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: the ones who have a lot of say right now

1453
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: in wild lands and how they're managed. That's the way

1454
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: it's been and and and we can't take that for granted.

1455
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: And anyway, I'm just kind of amazed the more I

1456
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: learn about how unique this American hunting culture that we

1457
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: all grew up in that just seems like it's normal.

1458
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: It's not normal. This is not normal. This is this

1459
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: is this is wild. We can't take it for granted.

1460
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: That's that's why I'm so passionate about knowledge and history.

1461
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 1: Like you, you have no you have no right to

1462
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: have an opinion about what something's gonna how something's gonna

1463
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: turn out. If you don't know history of what happened before.

1464
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't really have an intelligent position to

1465
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: have a really strong opinion. I mean, that's why I

1466
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: that's why the stories that I like to learn and

1467
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: most of the stuff we do on bear grees. I'm learning,

1468
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a process of learning. But we're talking

1469
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: about history, we're and we're we're talking about we're learning

1470
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: about wild landscapes and animals, but we're also dealing a

1471
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: lot with the social aspects of life, I mean, which

1472
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: are equally as important. Like, if you want to be

1473
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: in control of wild lands, you also got to know

1474
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: how to deal with people, you know, And is that true?

1475
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Myron, Myron will tell you that probably the

1476
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: biggest part of your job is dealing with people, not bears.

1477
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,919
Speaker 2: It's not wildlife managements. People management.

1478
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean so as a as a and

1479
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: I like to use this word. I don't know if

1480
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: it's politically correct or not, but I mean, I think

1481
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 1: the hunters in America are a people group. Let's go

1482
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: do it, Let's go people. I mean, we're like, we're

1483
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: like a We're like a people group, We're like a tribe.

1484
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: And honey doesn't totally define us. Like I'm not totally

1485
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: defined by hunting. I mean, it's a part of my

1486
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: life that's visible. There are other things that define me

1487
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: much more than this. But at a pretty high level,

1488
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: as a hunter, that that that's my identity, something I

1489
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: grab on to. Not the most important thing, but most

1490
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: most important thing would be my faith in my family,

1491
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: which I put action behind making that be true. But

1492
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: down there ways on external kind of earthly stuff, being

1493
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: a hunter is is, it's like it is part of

1494
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: my identity. And uh and every generation, I mean, we're

1495
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: being swamped by the world really trying to squeeze us

1496
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: out of this culture. And what what what I'm trying

1497
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: to do. What's so many of us in this in

1498
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: this room trying to do. What we're trying to do

1499
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: with meat eater I feel like, is we're trying to

1500
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: carve out a cultural space. I like to I like

1501
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: to say, we're we're asking America for a cultural tenure.

1502
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: Like a tenure means that you're granted this place in

1503
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: the culture that never goes away. Way for the American backwoodsman,

1504
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: the hunter, to be able to to be able to hunt,

1505
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: to be able to have some jurisdiction over wild lands,

1506
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: to be able to go and harvest wild game, for

1507
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: our families, to be able to take our children into

1508
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: wild places. And man, that that means the world to me.

1509
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: And I want that my sons and daughters have already

1510
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: had that opportunity and will continue. But their kids and

1511
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: their kids kids, you know what's going to happen twenty

1512
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: years from now, forty years from now, sixty years from now,

1513
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: and we just can't take it for granted. Do you

1514
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: guys agree with that? We got to be We've got

1515
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: to be educated. And that's part of what education of

1516
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: even just learning about bears, learning the cultural significance if

1517
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: you got bears in your yard, if you ever killed

1518
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: a bear in Arkansas, man, that's a pretty major thing.

1519
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: And to not take that for granted. I think that's

1520
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: the That's the thing I'm most passionate about is just

1521
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for what we for we have in so

1522
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 1: many ways.

1523
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 6: And so what we do here at Black Bear Bonanza celebrate,

1524
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 6: celebrate the black bears. You know, I've heard you say

1525
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 6: the icon of North American wilderness, and you know, we're

1526
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 6: thankful to have all of y'all here to celebrate it

1527
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 6: with us, all of y'all out here in the crowd,

1528
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 6: to celebrate with us.

1529
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 3: Patrick here. This is incredibly.

1530
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 6: Meaningful, not just for us personally, but it's meaningful for

1531
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 6: conservation to see to see all of you all come

1532
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 6: here and support it and bring We've got a little

1533
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 6: guy asleep here in the front row.

1534
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 3: You know, we've got the little ones down here.

1535
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 6: We have people in wheelchairs who you know, made an

1536
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 6: extra effort to get here.

1537
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 3: We have men and women.

1538
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 6: It's it's amazing to see all this and see y'all's

1539
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 6: commitment to helping us celebrate bears, celebrate wild places. And

1540
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 6: I think, what did you say on the podcast that

1541
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 6: or somebody said it that wilderness made Americans right, right,

1542
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 6: and so that's that's what we're celebrating.

1543
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's fantastic.

1544
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 5: That's great.

1545
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys so much. Hey, we're gonna clue Andrew. Andrew,

1546
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: come on up, all right, we're gonna we're gonna close

1547
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: out the Bear Grey Shrender. This is my buddy Andrew Wills.

1548
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: He's gonna sing a song that, uh, that he wrote.

1549
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: I had a little bit to do with it.

1550
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 10: Andrew's also known as Hawking Horse.

1551
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1552
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: Oh, he came all the way from Nashville, Tennessee. You guys,

1553
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: Andrew's been on the podcast before, and uh he he

1554
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 1: sent me this song the other day and I was like, dude,

1555
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: you gotta come to Arkansas and sing it. So, I

1556
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: guess never sang publicly before, is that right? Yeah? This

1557
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: is hawking horse all right, buddy, Well you need me

1558
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: to dance up here, probably that'd be good. Yeah, yeah,

1559
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: it's a little little dancing.

1560
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 3: Don't get too don't get too far away from your

1561
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: stuff back here, you'll.

1562
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: Jerky right out of there. Andrew Andrew is a professional

1563
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: songwriter in uh Nashville, Tennessee, a little town called Nashville, Tennessee.

1564
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: And he's a big bear grease man, literally, a big

1565
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: bear grease man.

1566
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 5: Could I say something?

1567
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, just yeah, keep talking while Andrew's getting

1568
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: set up.

1569
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 4: Patrick the turkeys is next to the road.

1570
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 5: Can you tell me where that's at?

1571
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent likes those close to the road.

1572
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. I'll call you up on your

1573
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 5: rotary phone and we'll talk about it. Here.

1574
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 3: You go drop him a rotary.

1575
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: He'll send you the GPS coordinates.

1576
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:45,839
Speaker 5: I'll send you the GPS cordinates.

1577
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 4: Just just holler at Sarah say give me Brent's.

1578
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: Andrew give us a little background on this song.

1579
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, so this is a song.

1580
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 12: Clay texted me one day and he says, I have

1581
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 12: a song idea, and I was like, what is it?

1582
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 12: And when he told me idea, my instant thought was,

1583
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 12: that is the most Clay Newkem song idea I've ever heard.

1584
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 12: And uh, he gives me a little too much credit.

1585
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 12: He had quite a few lines that he forgot. He

1586
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 12: even wrote, so, uh, we're pretty fifty to fifty on

1587
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 12: this one. But I don't know if there's anything else

1588
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 12: you want to mention about it.

1589
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 5: I mean, we just wrote it.

1590
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 1: It's pretty new, it's it's it's a lighthearted. So I

1591
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 1: told Andrew, I said, anytime I hear a song that

1592
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: has Arkansas in it, I just am like, yeah. I

1593
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: mean like Tennessee Stud. You remember song Tennessee Stud when

1594
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: he came through Arkansas. You know he had to fight

1595
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: this girl's dad from Arkansas.

1596
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 4: Then woo heard nor her Paul, I promise.

1597
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: You yeah, yeah, or her bro any song other than

1598
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: some there's yeah. Anyway, he wrote a song that has

1599
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,759
Speaker 1: the word Arkansas in it and the word.

1600
01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 2: Mule in it.

1601
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: Arkansas Mule, that's the name of the song.

1602
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 12: I said, that's pretty Clay Newcome sounding, and it's kind

1603
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 12: of a cowboy song, right, I mean yeah, I'm not

1604
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 12: a cowboy, but I like cowboys anyway. This is called

1605
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 12: Arkansas Mule, and I've got the lyrics because we just

1606
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 12: wrote this so and it goes like this.

1607
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 3: They said he killed a man in West Fork.

1608
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 7: He had no choice but to run. They'd hanging in

1609
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 7: the gallows for the seiding of the evening sun. He

1610
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 7: wasn't innocent man, but he got framed out of the truth.

1611
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 7: So he threw his saddle bag on the back of

1612
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 7: that Arkansas buckskin mule.

1613
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 5: Right.

1614
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 7: She was tall and strong, lean, long, sturdy, has an iron.

1615
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 5: Two.

1616
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 7: They're inn't a horse alive. They would draw his eye

1617
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 7: from that Arkansas buckskin us.

1618
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: Right, go ahead, you playing man Joe on.

1619
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 7: In the heat of nos Ark night, they forded the

1620
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 7: river white Man, and the flowing steered deep under the

1621
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 7: glow of the moon light. Headed east into the bluffs

1622
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 7: where the bear suck gold. They're young. Made her walk

1623
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 7: backwards on the track and then looked it south. She

1624
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 7: was tall and strong, lean along, flashy. Yes, she was cool.

1625
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 7: They'rein't a horse alive that you could draw his eye

1626
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 7: from that Arkansas buckskin mule.

1627
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 5: Right, This would be a great place.

1628
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 8: God Andrew solo.

1629
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: That's good, sounds good, y'all like the song.

1630
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 5: All right.

1631
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 7: In the month of May, they were cutting hay on

1632
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 7: the banks of the Fouish to Faith, and they waved

1633
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 7: him down for a bite of chow and to sit

1634
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 7: around flame. And that's when he heard the welcome word

1635
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 7: that his name had been cleared.

1636
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: He didn't kill him.

1637
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,759
Speaker 7: And then he turned and grinned at his old friend

1638
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 7: and gave her a scratch behind the ear. And she's

1639
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 7: tom Strong leaned along faith to the last of rule.

1640
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 7: They read a horse alive, if I could draw his

1641
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 7: eye from down, Arkansas buckskin, horse alive, that he trade

1642
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 7: or by for that Arkansas bucks can and music all

1643
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 7: ride right.

1644
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Andrew Hawking Horse. Thanks buddy. That

1645
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: was awesome, awesome, awesome, Thank you guys so much.