WEBVTT - Espresso Martini Club 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:13.600 It's three forty one am in Tacoma, Washington, and you're 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:35.240 listening to Nichael. Hello, and welcome back to Night Call, 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.800 a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. I 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.040 am Tess Lynch in Los Angeles with Molly Lambert. And 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.960 joining us in New York is Emily Oshida, one time 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.560 resident of Tacoma, Washington. Look at that. Did you recognize 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.640 the address in the thriller that we're going to discuss later? 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:58.080 You mean, what was it? Eighty? Yeah, Yakima. It's the 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:04.800 Yakima Sorr. Yakima, Washington is also the birthplace of Karl McLaughlin. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:11.480 Fun fact, Washingtonian. Um, they're not in Tacoma though, they're 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.280 in Seattle. They're like on the other side. So Seattle 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.240 is like I think it was filmed. It was filmed 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.000 in Tacoma. It was filmed in Tacoma, filmed in a combo. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.240 We'll tell you what we're talking about soon. But first, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.880 Emily had something very strange arrive in her mailbox that 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.520 she forwarded to me and Molly, Emily, can you please 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.640 talk about this? Okay? So I got a letter in 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.880 the mail after getting back from Austin it's fun to 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.600 get mail everybody. I'm getting it out of my back 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.840 right now as we speak. Um, everybody loves to get mail. Um. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:52.280 This was a ten page double sided letter in curier 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:57.040 font and the first I'll start reading it just to 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:58.360 the time. I'm not going to read the whole thing, 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.880 because as I said, it is ten page, just double sided. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.680 But it starts. Emily, please forgive us, but we've just 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.639 taken a closer look at your profile. It turns out 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.680 you're more special than any of us imagined. Did you 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.519 know that you possess some very rare, hidden traits. In fact, 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.919 there is a famous person, someone you would instantly recognize, 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.280 he's on TV every night, who possesses the same special, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:26.200 incredibly rare traits. It turns out the people who possess 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.800 these same rare and often hidden traits that you do 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.360 are some of the most famous and successful people on 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.280 this planet. Emily, you are indeed blessed. I know those 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.240 around you don't know this yet, but they will down deep. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.480 You sense it to right, I'm so excited for you. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:47.360 Exclamation point. Uh. This goes on to be a extremely 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:53.200 long pitch for me to uh join something referred to 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.480 as the society which is s is capitalized, and and 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:03.480 the word is italic oftentimes in the letter I did 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.840 a little research on because I was this first of all, 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.359 just seems so old school. It feels like something from 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.480 the nineties, or like it feels like getting a chain 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:16.960 letter or something you're old chain letters. Yeah. Um, so 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:18.840 they do a bullet point list on this is on 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:26.520 page nine of UH twelve. Um here is just a 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.120 sample of the power of the secrets. Discover the one 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.720 simple method to transform all money and power from the 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.560 uninformed to you. Instantly use this amazing bit of new 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.120 scientific knowledge that will generate a mountain of cash like 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.840 a personal a t M machine automatically. You don't even 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.120 have to do anything. The simple easy way to get 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.480 the lover of your dreams, regardless of his or her situation. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.400 Learn how to seduce anyone in any situation, and even 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:59.800 how to win your ex love back. Control anyone, any time, anywhere. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.600 Find out how simple it is to lose all the 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.160 weight you want and eliminate any addiction food, alcohol, cigarettes, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.600 drugs once and for all. Know how to heighten your 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:16.280 new powers and render all others completely helpless. On that's 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.080 the weirdest. The picture of it also, and it was 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.520 like photo copied it looked like a zodiac letter. Yeah. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.320 I mean, it's just it's all like you know, courier 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.000 front the whole way through. So I did a little 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.040 research on it, and I sent you guys a couple 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.480 of articles from the l A Times from a few. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.440 One was from I think one was from and one 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:43.960 was from Yes, David Lazarus, and they're both really interesting. Yeah. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.400 So the more recent one was that the letter had 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.960 arrived for somebody who was dead and the person's adult 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.360 child had gotten the letter. And the guy who sent 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.200 who's like in charge of this thing, some guy in 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.160 like Henderson, Nevada. He went and interviewed him, the reporter 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.320 did and uh, you know, he insisted, we hand pick 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.960 all the people that we send this out to. There's 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.720 a rigorous selection process. But they're basically like, Okay, the 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.120 rigorous selection process led you to this guy who's been 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.799 dead for two years. The scam seems to be something. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.840 It's it's like a cross between scientology and like Encyclopedia salesman. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.280 You get one kind of introductory book when you when 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.040 you sign up for this, like just to get you 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.200 interested in these secrets that you sign up free and 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.240 they give you like a couple secret pamphlet yeah, which 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.320 sounds like it's basically like objectivism, kind of like libertarianism. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.480 And then they're like, to figure out how to do it, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.039 you need to buy what I think amounts to like 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.720 three volumes of books, and the books like ten tho 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.599 dollars or something in total. Or yeah, here's my question, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.200 how did you get on the spiling list? Someone I 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.600 methods one of their methods, Well, all of all of 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.040 my best mail, I know comes from the fact that 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.800 I have credit card debt. Uh. So it could be that, um, 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.360 there's something about this letter that, even though it's ridiculous 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.200 and so obviously insane, I did not sit down and 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.280 read the whole thing beginning to end. I kind of 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.120 like skimmed it and found some interesting parts. But I 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:25.360 could imagine like being up particularly lonely person with not 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.520 a lot to do and getting this letter and sitting 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.520 down and not really having anything better to do and 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.080 reading the whole thing and like being like, yeah, you 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.600 know what, I am special, Like I am I do 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.320 have a good profile, you know, Like, yeah, it's just 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.800 like kind of it tells you everything you want to 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.120 hear in a really dumb way. Uh. But yeah, it's 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:49.280 it's very clearly a scam. Uh. My favorite part about 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.160 it is that, like it says that the members of 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:57.839 the society apparently have meetups and like fraternize and talk 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.520 about how to render others helpless. Yeah, they take all 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.640 all their money. It's like Bohemian grove. Yeah. I read 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.240 that one of the ways that they choose who to 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.640 send the letters to is based on, um, like the 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.440 publicly available data of which magazines you subscribe to. I 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.360 think one of them was like Forbes or Fortune, um, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:22.360 but as we all know, a super subscriber to for 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.200 the Raw Report. I'm wondering if they are like publicly 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.640 available lists of who goes to film festivals and and 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.320 stuff like that, could that be a link? You're too 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.240 smart if you're honestly, my first thought was signed up 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.920 for the the What was the other one in the 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.280 subway that you saw that was like no school for 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.040 practical Philosophy. Yeah, no, I never signed up for that. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.720 We talked about that because it was like the oh 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.400 I think it was on the outline. Yeah, that we 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.200 talked about um, like there was a period of time 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:55.600 when I like it was new to l A and 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.000 I was like, oh, I'll just like go to the 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.560 Museum of what was the name of their museum, the 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:06.840 scientology The Psychology as death museum is still getting confused 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.200 for the death museum. I know there's a shitty serial 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.760 killer museum or is that not the Museum of death? 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.840 That's a museum of death but is different from psychology 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:20.440 and Industry of Death anti psychiolotry um. They're both really 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.800 scary and off putting in different ways. But you know, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.160 part of me is always like I'll go to the thing, like, 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:31.880 I'll just check psychiatry and psychiatry of death. It's like 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.520 a cat and fiddle. Yeah. Well, just feels like they 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.920 would like scan your d n A as soon as 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.760 you like walk through the door, and then you'd never 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.360 get off their Melian list. I mean, yeah, I knew 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.319 a lot of people who wanted to casually wander into 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.120 some of those things, and I was like, don't do it, 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.920 and then um. The society, though, goes by a bunch 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.640 of also different names like Neo Tech, the Novas Tech Society, 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:01.400 New votech Society, Neo Thinks it's siety, um, and it 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:05.080 was started by this guy named Frank Wallace who was 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.480 born Wallace Ward, and then his son took it over. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.000 His son's name is Wallace Ward Jr. I guess, and 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.160 then he now goes by the name Mark Hamilton's, which 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.440 he I think tried to trademark. But there's also like 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.720 an interesting thing on the Rational Wiki when I googled 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.319 um the society, Like I kind of fell into like 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.800 a web hole on this about how Mark Hamilton's is 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:31.240 like in a fight with Jimmy Wales from Wikipedia, because, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.720 like I guess, according to Hamilton's, Jimmy Wales used to 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.840 be a contributor on the all dot neo tech Usenet 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.280 group and then they got into this like thing because um, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.440 Hamilton's wanted to like edit the neo tech Wikipedia and 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.920 his dad's Wikipedia and like Wikipedia, you know, it was 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.000 like allowing truthful edits and he wanted like a kinder edit. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.920 It's just interesting, so much stuff about old hacker groups 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:07.239 coming up. So yeah, um for it, Mr Robot presidential 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.640 candidate for well you were also Emily. You also got 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.600 like a ton of weird international calls to your cell phone. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.800 Oh yeah, well this is I'm not alone in this 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.800 um because I did a little bit of a search afterwards. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.000 In Ira Madison was tweeting about this of getting calls 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.199 from I had been getting them from Belarus. I think 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.000 there were some a couple of other countries that people 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.160 were getting calls from, but they would just like show up, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.319 and of course I was not picking them up because 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.560 I just don't pick up unknown calls, much less calls 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.320 from Belarus. But then I was getting them repeatedly, which 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.680 usually doesn't happen. So then I I blocked one, and 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.040 then it was like whack a mole, Like once I 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.440 blocked one, then another number would start calling me until 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.960 I blocked that one too. This was kind of happening 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.880 on and off, like throughout the time that I was 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.000 in Texas. I mean, I'm not sure exactly what that 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.800 one is about, but there is like a thing of 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.400 just um like it's one of these ways that um 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.120 uh like terrorism gets funded, like doing these kind of 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.240 auto calls and like collecting this two pennies or something 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:16.680 for um like just from your carriers. How terrorism gets funded. No, 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.640 because it's like the scheme where it's like you do 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.040 you wait, who is funding. Oh, it's just one of 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.160 these schemes like they'll they'll they'll set up these auto 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:28.640 calls to call people, um in international numbers, and then 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:34.760 there's like bella rous. No, I'm not necessarily it's uh, 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:36.760 you can look it up. This is a thing. The 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.440 carrier will pick up the call and then there's like 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.960 a two cent or something amount that's bounced back to 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.920 the caller. And so they just do this in this 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.040 in this high volume, and it's one of the one 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:54.720 of these like black market methods of fundering. I'm googling it. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.040 I'm googling it. I'm not being I forget the name 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.560 of it, but it's I want to know who's doing it. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.960 I mean, it's like freaking alright. Snopes ways in terrorists 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:11.760 funded through telemarketing claim terrorists are funding their operations through 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.600 a telephone scam that lures the unsuspecting hold on. No, 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.240 because the whole thing has nothing to do with any 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.120 contact made with a person. You never like, the goal 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.160 is to like get somebody to pick up the phone 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.160 for you know. I can believe this is a thing. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.040 It's just it breaks my brain to try and figure 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:33.480 out how it would work. And like Snope said it 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.560 was false, but it was like it was like Emily said, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.160 it was a different thing. It was like, you know, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.760 they keep you on the line. This she's saying that 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.520 they just randomly whipped through numbers to collect a very 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.720 small fee that ends up somehow What are who are 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:52.440 we talking about? I'm continuing to the terrorists. That sounds fake. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.360 It does sound fake. I mean it's I don't I 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.880 cannot tell you the name. That sounds like an urban legend. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.520 And that is interesting too, because it is interesting that 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.000 people are trying to like defund Snopes because they're like, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.480 it's got correct info about stuff we don't want there 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.360 to be correct information about is the only and the 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.280 idea that Wikipedia came out of an argument between some 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.000 people and like a rationalist message board is not super surprising. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.720 And that one guy was like, let's be what we 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.080 think is truthful and the other person was like, no, no, 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.800 there's like an objective truth you have to stick to. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:30.320 Also seems like everything that's happening now, so this this 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.920 particular Snopes that is false, unsurprisingly false, that terrorists were 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.760 We're calling people and being like stay on the line 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.959 because I've got really interesting information about a nuclear attack, 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.640 and people were like, oh, no, I have to stay 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.800 on the line because I got to find out about 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:52.400 these So that's that is false. I believe that people 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.280 are doing black market robot calls to raise money. I 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.360 don't believe that it is funding terrorist terrorism unless there's 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.719 some actual proof of that. This like a D D 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.839 O S attack that we're kind of talking about, it's 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.360 similar in nature. Yeah. I was getting some robotcalls, a 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.440 lot of robot calls recently, but they're all for like 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.480 a dream vacation. Do you know what I'm talking about? 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.760 It's a robot and it's like, get is it the 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.720 robot that pretends to be I like this the sound. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.120 It's like the ones where it's like I'm a fake person. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.200 It's like, Hello, have you been thinking about going on 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.440 a dream vacation? It's like yes, all the time, stay 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.440 on the line. No, I always hang up, but I 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.080 do often. I pick up sometimes because sometimes they come 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.120 from like a local ish number and I'm just like, 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.480 let's find out. I think I got one weird call 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.840 from maybe a Belarus type. I got one weird European 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.360 call that I was like, not picking that up, but 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.880 I'm sure I feel like I've talked about on the 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.960 pod before. The scam that I got for a minute 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.160 was one or somebody calls you from jail in Texas. 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.120 I do remember this. It was like, you have they 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.440 call you collect and they're like, you have a collect 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.720 call from you know, the Texas whatever in mate numbers, right, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.400 And I like the first time it happened, I was like, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.960 do I know somebody? Who would I know that we're 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.080 calling me collect from jail and very stressful. Well right, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.800 You're like, oh am, I like what if this person 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.680 did need if we and they were like, I don't 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.680 know anyone in jail. But then you figure out it's 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:29.040 a scam. Yeah. Um. I had a really uh frustrating, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.680 like obviously fake, but frustrating call a couple of weeks 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.880 ago from somebody who said that my identity had been 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.160 compromised and used to rent a car in Texas. Um 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:46.080 that then the car was found abandoned, uh, with like 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.720 five thousand dollars worth of cocaine in it and what 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.920 and um they said that my social Security number needed 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.720 was had been compromised and needed to be deactivated. And 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.640 then and I started to like I was like, who 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.960 are you again? And like, you know, not to general ears, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.640 but it sounded like a like a South Asian like 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.200 you know, outsourced caller. And I was like, where are 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.120 you going because he said he was in uh upstate, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.280 New York from like the New York State Police. And 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.680 then I like asked for a badge number and stuff, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:22.880 and then I was like, I'm going to get my 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.800 husband on the phone and then he hung up. Yeah, SORR, Like, 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.960 I mean, it's sort of amazing that like phone scams 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.160 have come back because maybe they're in some way they've 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.760 ramped up so much because of call of spoofing and 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.320 v O I P. I mean, it's super easy. Spoofing 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:46.040 is when disguise your number with a number, like if 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.560 you have caller I D it could say like the 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.840 you know, Office of Corrections, the I R S Like 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:58.280 I get so many in that And that's why because 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.200 they used to be able to deactivate, they would trace 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.080 where the numbers were coming from. It would be like 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.040 the actual number and then your cell phone like the 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.120 police are calling. Pretty much what happened to this call 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.240 from the quote unquote New York State Police, Like I 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.119 googled the number while I was on the phone with him, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.440 and it was a legit number from the New York 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.360 State Police and then to you the number, but then 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.560 you're blocking the real number. You're not blocking this, but 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.840 it seems illegal. It's so it's totally oh no, it's 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.560 it's legal. So I called them and I was just 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.240 just to like heads up that that that their number 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.960 had been spoofed, because it's like, uh, and so I 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.400 don't know. I guess they were going to follow up 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.360 on it, but it's like it's hard. I think it's 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.960 really hard to counter counteract that because you can't really 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.960 do anything from your end exactly like the spoof number. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.080 It also is really messed up because some the two 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.760 um there are three that I've heard of actually happening, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:59.840 are spoof numbers being used to realistically impersonate, you know, kidnap. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.760 You heard about the scam where it's like you call 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.479 elderly people and say that a loved one has been 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.320 kidnapped and kind of like, so you call elderly people 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.760 and people that might be like alone and lonely, and 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.480 but it's like if you call someone who's not familiar 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.520 with with you know, calling spoofing, and it says the 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:21.000 I R S or whatever exactly. It says Windows Customer 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.159 Support for the wind your your Windows computers. It's like 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.320 that is sort of high tech for a thing involving phones, 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.359 but it's still phones. I'm just like, yeah, you know, wow, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.919 people pick up the phone and talk on the phone. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.840 I mean, I always get nervous because I'm I. I 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.119 usually choose not to pick up the phone if I 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.720 don't know the number, but then like maybe one out 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.040 of four times it ends up being somebody that's calling 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.120 me about something work related and I just don't know's 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:47.960 I'll get the email right after, like hey, I just 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.399 tried to and I just didn't happen to have their 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.000 number or their name, you know, attached to the number. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.760 But so it's not like I never I used the 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.040 phone quite a bit, actually, like I I talked to 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.359 people on the phone pretty often. Loves the phone. I 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.160 love the phone communication. It's like so much more efficient 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.760 than it only takes one hand. Wait, unlike texting. Texting 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.600 also text hand You text with one hand, that's so slow. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.080 That's even more unefficial. I text really fast. I text 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.800 mostly on the computer, but when I texted. I text 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.280 on the computer. I'm against texting on the computer, the 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.520 text computers, the streams. I am obsessed with texting on 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.800 When I text on the computer with someone who doesn't, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:30.760 I'm like, Wow, they must think I'm the best text 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.160 in the world. I'm the best texter in the world. 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.880 On one hand, I don't need a I don't need 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:44.560 the keyboard. I don't know you too hand texters, guys. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.080 I think we should take a night email. Absolutely. This 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.280 call comes to us from Eve. We got this a 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.800 little while ago, so hopefully it's not too late, but 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.920 we just thought it was timely, so we thought we'd 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.000 read it. Dear night call. I live in New York 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.600 in My family and friends are all in the Northeast. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:04.840 I just found out that I was accepted to a 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.679 grad program at USC. What do I need to know 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.840 to decide whether I should move to l A. My 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.560 main worries are A, I'm not a very good driver, 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.920 and be what with the coming climate of pocalypse? Maybe 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.800 I don't want to be three thousand miles from everyone 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.239 I love. What do you think? Thanks? I think there 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.080 are two parts to us answering this email. One of 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.719 them is just an excuse to talk about the college 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:32.520 admission scandal for a second, back on scams, in which 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.880 USC played a central role of old scams made new. Yeah, um, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:42.880 USC was where Laurie Laughlin or no, yeah, two weeks 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:44.639 ago and then that scandal broke and we were like, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.600 let us still also we should we should clarify I mean, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.040 not clarify because she says it, but just reiterate she's 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.960 she's gotten to a grad program. So this is a 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.040 little bit different than like scamming your way onto the 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.480 rowing team at USC. Like, you know, I'm sure that 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.520 there's a much more legit process we're getting into grad 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.840 school there, but those you know, I mean I think Eve, 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.040 you sound like you got in on your own merits. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.080 So congratulation, congratulations, But you know, USC has had a 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.879 really troubled couple of years right now, Um, this is 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.960 like the scandal is this year, and all of the 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:23.800 scandals were like some of them were more lurid than this. 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.800 Oh yeah, well, I mean this one after the initial 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.720 kind of like you know, scandalous nature of the fact 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.439 that so many recognizable names had like committed a real crime, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.680 and it was like very strange. I think looking back 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.800 at the USC scandals, the guy who was like doing 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.000 drugs and operating on eyes, and also the like really 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:52.600 awful um gynecologist. Yeah, there was like the head of gynecollege. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.760 Like one of the people in the medical department at 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.720 USC was like maybe head of gynecology was like molesting 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.119 people during exams, which then happens in the hand that 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.600 rocks the cradle, which we will be just saying next 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.640 Yes that was Dr Tyndall. I think that happened there. Yeah, 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.240 there were just like a lot of bad things usc. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.600 USC has bad energy. It has to say that. I know, 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:20.359 I mean like go Brewin, but but like they just 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:24.399 I did apply for USC, and maybe I have a 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.320 little bit of you know, resembment because they were the 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.840 only school that did not accept me of all the 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.760 like however many I applied to. But I'm glad that 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.600 I didn't go to USC because it feels like it 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.760 feels just like a bad vibe school, Like I I 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:43.080 can't know when is the last time something cool happening? No, 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.600 I mean USC is there's a lot of good cool 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.400 people who go there, and there's it's like but it's 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.400 also sort of a party school. It is both universally 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.760 spoiled children, right, but it's also like it also is 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.280 like a film school. And I got to shout out 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.320 our undergrad friend, Um Ray, Hi, Ray. You probably don't 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.520 listen to the podcast, but I always have to, like think, 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:08.280 Ray was, um this guy who went to high school 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.440 with us, and he was super interested in toy cars. 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.040 But he was just like really smart and like into 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.240 like he kind of understood the Internet in a really 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.480 like precocious way. Anyway, he went to USC, and he 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:24.080 was also working the entire time that he was at USC. 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.800 I think that they were like more supportive of that 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.840 than some undergraduate programs would have been, and as a result, 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.840 like he got to kind of work on his dream 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.560 job while still having the ability to like have a 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.280 college life and stuff. He made USC sound like the 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.040 perfect place for a certain type of kid, you know, 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.120 who really knows what they want to do and they 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:44.800 want to start working, but they also want to all 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:48.840 the schools are corrupt, All private institutions are corrupt. There 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:51.040 were like a lot of things going on in the story, 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.800 which was like people being mad that these rich people 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.120 scammed their kids way into the school, and then other 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.720 people being mad that they didn't do it the right 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.280 way that like nor people. They scammed their way in 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.399 by like buying buildings and donating things, and well this 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.480 is like the middle class rich person's way of scamming 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.520 their way and like you're not quite rich enough to 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:14.440 buy a wing, but however, bribe your way into this. 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.800 I thought William H. Macy and Felicity Huffman were totally 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.399 famous enough to get a kid into USC just on 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:24.960 like being famous people. It sounded like, I mean, I 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.639 think it just sounds like and you know, I feel 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.239 bad for the kids. A lot of people were kind 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:30.920 of coming down on the kids, saying the kids must 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:34.000 have known. And even though like Lori Laughlin's kids didn't 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.360 seem jazzed to be at school, I guess her daughter 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:41.240 Olivia Jade, who's like talked about how she liked was 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.040 literally like she just wanted to go to school with 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.600 her friends, so she she wanted to go to parties. 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.440 But it's also hard because it's like, what if any 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.680 of those kids didn't know. That's just like the most 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:54.480 fucked up things, Well, they shouldn't even be in the 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.440 running to go to those schools, is the thing. They 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:59.200 just like it's the entitlement of imagine, we should get 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.359 to go to those school because all our friends are going. 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.840 But imagine thinking that you got in and then you 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:10.640 find out that there were like photoshopped pictures of you. Yeah, well, 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.520 I don't know. I mean, it's even that's the thing 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.600 for a parent to do to a kid, even if 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.120 it comes from like started as a seed of good 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:21.240 intention turned into this like really gross crime. But I 0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.800 mean it was it was interesting to me. But it's like, 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.040 didn't you know that your kid's not smart enough to 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.800 go to that school? No, you're as a parent, You're 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:30.919 never gonna be like, my kid's not smart enough. You're 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.600 gonna be like they don't try anybody if they could try, 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.560 I wouldn't she be happier at like a school where 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.679 she like right party exactly? This is like like a 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:45.600 friend of pod Justin Charity on his podcast Damage Control, 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.600 they were talking about how or she might be an idiot. 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.280 We might think of her as being an idiot because 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.400 she's like this eighteen year old doesn't care about school whatever. 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:58.680 But she's like a pretty successful YouTuber is probably making 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.760 her own money off of that, Like she doesn't necessarily 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.399 need to go to a school and clear have that 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:13.199 much interested in nobody needs doctors, yes, but yeah, but 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:18.080 she's trying to be a doctor is only useful for 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.400 like if she want to get an NBA or name, 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.960 like sure, but but you know, And so I think, 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.920 I think, like the discussion of like our our our 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:30.000 our caller, who is going to a grad program that 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.080 feels like a very different thing than this obligatory undergraduate 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:37.639 education at like a classy quote unquote institution, like the 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:42.040 the purposes of undergrad versus grad are are vastly different, 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.119 especially when you're talking about it this way, like yes, um, 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.639 you have much more autonomy by the time you're blying 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:51.640 for grad school. To answer the question of should she 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.479 move across the country to go to USC, knowing that 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.199 she does not like driving and that her family's on 0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:01.080 the East Coast and that she's concerned about the climate apocalypse, 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:05.840 I'm gonna go ahead and say no, Yeah, that's a 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.320 bold thing to say, But I'm going to what the 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.320 grad program and how much debt you're going to go 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:14.280 into if there's debt. I mean, I would say also 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.400 that having known a lot of grad students, like that's 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.720 just another oversaturated job market with not enough jobs, full 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.560 of overqualified people that have done all the work and 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.840 checked all the boxes, and that are like, wait, what 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:33.040 what what market like the professorial job market? That academia, Yeah, 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.240 a place that you would think was like a respite 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:40.240 from the rest of capitalism. Absolutely not. All schools are 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.440 run like businesses now, regardless of their public or private. 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:45.840 That's the thing is that, like, I mean, all of 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.359 us have clearly made the decision to not go to 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:53.359 grad school shaking out differently, different, different, great outcome. There's 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.399 still time. I'm never going to Are you kidding me 0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.680 on the fucking grad school? I'm not. I'm not planning 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:00.879 to go. I got to if I got to go 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.800 to grad school for completely free. Sure, you would love 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.760 to go to art school. Yeah, I cannot imagine anything 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.560 worse right now at this point in my life and 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.000 going to art school. I'm such a different planet from you, guys. 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:17.760 I applied to like thirty colleges, I didn't get into 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.920 most of them, and I would love to just keep 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.120 going to a different college every four years. That would 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:27.200 just be great. I don't want to go to college anymore, 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.159 but if I could learn something and not have to 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.479 go into debt. I feel now like I'm in a 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:36.320 better place to like focus. Also, there's no shame in 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.160 community college, like go to community A class, I mean 0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:42.400 class you don't have to do you want to go 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:46.640 to USC, I will say that USC you you can, 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.480 unless you like actually want to explore l A. It's 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.680 like downtown is very like you know, walkable compared to 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:55.200 a lot of the rest of l A. I think 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.280 it would be easier to go to USC and like 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.120 get away with using public train insportation. Then it would 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.520 to go to I don't know, you know, some other 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.160 place here Pepperdine, then you're screwed. Do not don't go 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.600 to any of those like l A adjacent schools. I 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.800 mean the thing of going to Loyal Marymount for the 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.720 first two years of my college education. It was might 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.920 as well have been in Ohio. It was yeah or 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.840 she did not specify what the program was she got into. 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:30.320 But I would say, if it's something like creative writing, 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.920 maybe maybe you don't need to go to l A 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.800 for that, especially if it's going to cramp your style 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.080 in other ways. But if it's something like you know, 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.960 obviously like law school, met school, business school. We actually 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.840 need the degree to like do the thing that you 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.280 want to do. I mean go to law school. Yeah, 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:50.320 go to law school. Don't go to law if you're 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.680 a good person, go to law school. Honestly, like you 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:56.520 should come out to l A right for like three 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.680 weeks and just see how it feels and then make 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.600 your to decision if you have that amount of time, 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:03.760 because then you would know like if if it's something 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.440 you really want to go for, We're not going to 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.200 say don't, but at the same time like, yeah, I don't, 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.640 I'm not, I don't. Your your reservations caller are too 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.680 strong already. Yeah, I think I think the sc is 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.720 also going to be a bigger culture shock than like 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.880 other l A adjacent schools you could go to, like 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.120 U c l A. Or I'm just hearing this U 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.040 c l A nationalism coming out so strong. It's true. 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:29.760 I secretly stand U c l A because I went 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.320 to a family camp there. There are some scandals to 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.880 all the schools of scandals, Brown were tests and I 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:37.960 went just had this big scandal that was about there 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:42.400 being like a secret organization for rich kids inside the school, 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.520 which I was like, well, I was like was it 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:51.120 even secret? Like how are you talking about the was 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:52.920 it the like, you know, the people who would get 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.640 the espresso martinis and asked for a boxing the European people. 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.840 They weren't all European, but that's it was like the 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.680 first Martine Needs like a royalty tier at Brown where 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:04.960 it was like, I'm not sure those people got in 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:10.880 on grades, but yeah, it seems nice. Must be nice. Um, guys, 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.160 should we talk about an erotic thriller? So we had 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.960 a debate about whether this this counts but whether or 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.000 not you agree, will you not join us right now 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:39.760 on an erotic odyssey? Guys? I pushed really hard for 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.480 this movie, which is a hand that rocks the cradle 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.160 a ka natal attraction. But then I realized when we 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.600 um talked last week on the phone that maybe it's 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:53.600 not really erotic, it's post erotic thrill. We pulled our 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:57.760 listeners on Twitter and after a whopping fifty votes, I 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.719 think I came out with something like seventy in favor 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:05.400 of being an erotic thriller. There are boobs. There are boobs, 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.400 but it is those boobs are working hard in this movie. 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:15.600 Those are mommy boobs. Oh don't you dare go there girl. There, No, 0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:17.560 I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like they are. 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:21.520 They are the context in which they are well whatever. Okay, 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.840 you know they have many, many jobs, but this is 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.480 an important role of the amazing. I would never say 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.320 anything not in favor of the boobs in this movie. 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:36.160 I'm just like specifying their role. Um, which is everybody 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:45.480 is thrilling. Um, it's erotic thriller. This movie is bonkers. 0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:51.600 I was not prepared for the level of insanity. Like 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.160 I watched the trailer. I think I watched the clips. 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.920 I told you guys, I watched the Cisco and Eber 0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:02.080 episode reviewing it. Um. I thought I was prepared for 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:06.520 some kind of like proto lifetime movie. Um. This it 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.400 is nowhere. I was not ready for this movie. It 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.680 is so brutal. Yeah, soup to nuts. Like from the 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.960 very very beginning of the movie, the funked up stuff 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:21.120 starts to happen, does not stop. Its snowballs. Yeah yeah, 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:24.520 I mean spoilers to follow in case anyone was there 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.880 wouldn't be. We're just gonna spoil everything, I think otherwise 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.080 we can't really talk about it. The interesting thing just 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.200 to like maybe start this off because I think it 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:37.280 kind of helps me contextualize what is So. I don't 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.320 know if I like this movie, but it is certainly 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:45.400 remarkable and it was written by um Amanda Silver wrote this. 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:49.200 So she's like a rare woman's scribe and the erotic, 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:54.040 the erotic thriller genre woman scribe period. Yeah, I just 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.640 saw a movie poster are walking over here, and just 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.400 like I was looking at it in the two and 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:04.760 a half Man song started playing. But do she has 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:08.200 a fascinating career? Did you go look her up? This 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.600 was like her film school script, correct her first her 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.600 first screen. I think this movie is awesome, Yeah, it is, 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:19.040 but it's also like it is problematic and dated. Yeah, 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.960 I mean I think, like you know, obviously the character 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.480 of Solomon played by Ernie Hudson, who does a great 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.480 job by the way he's marrying and everything he does, 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.759 but it is like, so he plays a mentally challenged 0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.600 kind of like handyman who then ends up being kind 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.279 of the hero of the story. But it is it 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.320 is rough, like I guess what happens to him is gnarly. 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.520 It's the worst thing that happens. Maybe you can say 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:48.840 other than the deaths, but maybe in a way worse. 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.719 It's supernarly, but it's also so interesting. I mean, it's 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.960 like the whole point is that, like they're afraid to 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.520 leave their yuppies are afraid to leave their child with 0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.520 him because he's like mentally a challenge to black, and 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:05.600 like they're totally fine to leave their child exactly Rebecca 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:09.400 to Mornick because she's blonde and white and like feminine 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.879 and seems rich because she formerly was. Yeah, and like 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.319 they just assume it's like that thing. They're like they 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:20.279 assume she'll be like naturally a great nanny and then 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.080 she's So it is really hard at this point in 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.240 time for me to see an actor who's not um 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.719 who who is like, you know, it's I think the 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.399 handling of his character was like slightly ablest. It's at 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.920 this point really hard to like see someone portray someone 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:40.399 who is mentally challenged. If the actor is not, it's hard. 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.239 He does great well, It's I think he does a 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.440 good job. Like I think it's still a case by 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.000 case basis for that kind of thing. But like the 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:49.799 only thing kind of rubs me the wrong way about 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.040 that is just like that he is sort of positioned 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.040 as the person who like senses the trouble early on, 0:35:56.239 --> 0:36:01.000 like kind of visa v these like intuitive maybe one 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:05.839 might say magical power, no I, But I also think 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.520 it's like she thinks he's an idiot, so she goes out. 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:13.080 She doesn't conceal her behaviors. She's like herself around him 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.359 because she thinks he'll never do anything, and to be fair, 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:20.640 he accidentally. So this is the big like scene that 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.920 everyone kind of is left with and then later when 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.400 you watch it again, they're like, You're like, but there 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.960 are so many other even worse scenes, but it's primarily disturbing. 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:31.359 You see Rebecca de Mornay as the nanny who gives 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.080 her name is Peyton Flanders but is in fact Mrs Mott. 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:39.480 She breastfeeds Annabella Siora's baby, who she's like, yeah, that 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.120 is like Solomon sees through the window because he's like, 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.960 you got a painting the trim. That is the central 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.520 horror scene in this movie. And it's amazing because you've 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:49.839 never seen it before and it's and it's so like 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:56.680 it gets and he is like a topless scene. But 0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:03.800 then you're like, uh no, um, Annabelle Shura is also 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:12.320 she's yeah, she's like flannel. Yeah, the whole like flannel 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:17.920 like northwestern housewife thing down with the volvo and everything. 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.239 But it's just like so radiant, Like I don't know. 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.719 This movie is great because it gets into some of 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.759 the same stuff as Fatal Attraction, where it's just like 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:30.920 yuppie stuff and like women's anxiety about success of like 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.120 you know, there's literally Julianne Moore's characters literally killed by 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:40.320 the glass ceiling. Oh even that's true. She is literally 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.560 killed by the and she has given a line earlier 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.759 during a dinner where she's like, nowadays a lady has 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:49.360 to bring in fifty dollars, make lasagna and give blow jobs. 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.319 Who can make it work? And then she's killed by 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.480 a glass ceiling and she talked about selling a house 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.080 for like three million. Let's talk about Julianne Moore for 0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:58.880 one second in this movie, and let's talk about her 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:03.359 for a long time. Ronnie Diller character that walks into 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:09.120 this movie uher repertory player. Julianne Moore shows up again 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:13.040 in this film to play the best friend of Annabelle Sera. 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.480 Also the only person with any sense in this movie 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:19.560 like she's the she is the only intelligent person who 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:23.240 acts intelligences. Another thing too, where it's like she's Annabelle 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:28.200 Siera's husband's old girlfriend. So you're like, you know, she's 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.600 the person you you would maybe like not trust around 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:35.760 your husband, but like, for some unbelievable reason, she trust 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.200 Rebecca de Mornay because she trust her husband. I guess 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:43.239 she's like, we are believing that Rebecca de Mornay is 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:47.880 this weird like widow, or so she claims. She gives 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.000 them a story as Peyton Flanders, that her husband was 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.640 murdered and that her I don't know if she actually 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:56.880 says that her child died or that she had a 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.560 miscarriage in truth what happened. Well, just to give the 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.399 backstory for anyone who's not seen The Hand, the Rocks 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:06.240 the Cradle. Um, we start off with Claire, who's Annabelle. 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.200 She ora she's getting a prenatal exam from a new doctor, 0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:14.280 Dr Mott, who molests her. She goes home, tells her husband, 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.239 who's played by Matt McCoy, who's in l a confidential 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.719 and police academy, and he's just like the worst care 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.960 He's such a boy he's all but I know, I 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:26.160 love him because he's like perfect. He's a prop in 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:29.680 the way that like every woman exactly, that's what's great. 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:35.280 He's he's kind of nice, like like a really really 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:40.880 good beard. Like it's just so anyway, he's like, you 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.040 have to tell the police. She does. It turns out 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:45.719 other women have also been molested by Dr Mott. Dr 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:49.320 Mott commits suicide. His wife, Rebecca de Morona, is pregnant 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.799 with his kid. You know, after they tell her like, well, 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:53.520 he killed himself and all these women are going to 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.799 be afforded a judgment, so we have to sell your 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.239 house and you're you're going to be losing. She just 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.680 falls to the ground, faints, has a late term miscarriage, 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.080 ends up, you know, going to the hospital. They have 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:06.799 to give her a hysterectomy. Her baby dies, and then 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.280 she's like eye for an eye, I'm gonna take everything. 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.600 She reinvents herself as an evil Mary Poppins, yeah, and 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.080 and gives herself a new name. However, one of the 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:20.240 most unbelievable things in this movie is that on the news, 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.960 so she's like recover, you know, she's recovering from this 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.000 horrible thing that's happened Rebecca to Morny's character, she turns 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.680 on the news and they're you know, the news are like, well, uh, 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:35.960 doctor has committed suicide after this late and her name, 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:41.760 I'm going to find you. Um. My only complaint about 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.759 this movie is that I feel like the reveal that 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.160 she's the doctor's wife could come later in the movie 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:52.160 for us, Yeah, like instead of front loading it with oh, oh, yeah, 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:54.600 you know that, we like we didn't have to see 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:58.320 the face of who the doctor's wife is until yeah. 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.080 I think that would have been a better like gotcha 0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.600 and the final effect if you on it, um yeah. 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.239 Always we start off like waiting for her to do 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.640 something messed up. The thing though. The only thing though 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.440 is that this movie is she The things that she 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.760 does in this movie are so brilliant and so fucked 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.759 up that, like, even knowing from the get go that 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:24.400 she's on a revenge path, I am still shocked what 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:29.200 she does. Rebecca de Mornay's fucking amazing and we should 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:33.640 talk about her now because she is so underrated. She's 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:38.080 so good, good in risky business and in this and 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:40.840 I learned everything about her, and when I learned is 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.359 that her dad was a famous conservative Orange County talk 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.400 radio guy who was like a shock chocolate, like the 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.719 first guy to be like, you know, conservative California Mr 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.920 Orange County. His name is Wally George. She was estranged 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.200 from him because he was like a serial big a mist. 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.520 She said he was a big a miss and he 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.919 was like, I'm not, and that's libel. And they think 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.560 he had like like a wife in every port maybe 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.040 kind of thing. Um, But yeah, she's from Santa Rosa, 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:11.120 which checks out nicely. So while we were watching the movie, 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.040 there's this scene where she's going insane in the bathroom 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.200 that's and so up the bathroom, and I think she's 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:18.920 wearing like a red sweater and then she kind of 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.839 she's like just kind of bulldozing around with like this 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.880 just hitting everything. And my husband was like, oh, you know, 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:29.320 this totally reminds me of The Shining. It's like being 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.520 like so Jack Nicholson. And then I totally didn't remember 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:37.120 that she was in The Shining in the TV movie, 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.880 a very bad TV movie. But but she when she 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.520 like I totally thought of The Shiny when she like 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:48.359 uses the poker from the place to like stab her 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.360 way through the door. I was like, oh my god, 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:55.360 it's just and it's actually like weirdly more terrifying case, 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.280 but just because I hadn't seen it a zillion times. 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:00.840 She also because she never appears to like sweat. She 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.920 keeps straightening her hair, but she'll just go totally insane 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.239 and then she'll straighten her little scruncheet. By the way, 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.120 the worst hair in this movie that I've ever seen 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:14.200 in any movie. Hair, all the hair, the stringy bangs, 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:18.440 the scrunches. At one point, I don't remember, someone's wearing 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.239 a scrunch that has been like twisted around like the 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:23.759 world's smallest ponytail, so it just looks like a long 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:29.760 scrunchy tail. I was like, I can't even watch the imbably, 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.760 but I did like how it was like she's always 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.360 wearing like pencil skirts and like she's like professional, like 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.520 she freaks out when she gets a stain on her 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.120 she doesn't. It seems like she did not have the 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:43.000 budget to get a new wardrobe for her new identity, 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.560 because when we see her, like, you know, finding out 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:47.040 that she's not going to get any money from her 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:50.680 husband's estate, then she's like wearing this totally buttoned up 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.239 like the outfit. She knows what works for her and 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:57.920 it's pencil skirts. She's not wrong, pencil skirts for sure. Um, 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:02.320 she fucking rule. I feel like this in Fatal Attraction 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.960 are both domestic horror domestic erotic thrillers, which is what 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.759 makes them such classics, and I feel like I wish 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:10.719 they were just like a hundred more movies like this. Well, 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.600 they're really about like the home as a battle front 0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:18.400 like that that like less so than stuff like basic 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.800 instinct or evidence or whatever. Like this is very crush. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:30.200 I was going to say, we do the crush. Sometimes 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:34.839 someone comes into your house, someone sucks everybody and your family, Yeah, 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.640 the ultimate nightmare. Instead of coming in and killing you, 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.600 they just want to like have sex with your husband 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.280 and breastfeed. But all the Italian art movies are about 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:49.200 but like the level of seed planting and like long game, 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:54.880 like like absolute emotional ruination that that she reeks in 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:58.319 this movie is just so astounding. Like yeah, just like 0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.120 the way that she makes every but he just mistrust 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.200 each other in really several ways, even like the first 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.080 thing that she does, like one of the first things 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.920 she does is, uh, they're going to go out to 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:12.160 dinner with Julian Moore and her husband, and Claire has 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.759 put out this like sexy little red dress to wear 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.560 to dinner, and when she's like in the bathroom, uh, 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.320 Peyton puts a stain on it, and so she can't 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:26.239 wear perfew perfew, Yeah, and then she she she has 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.319 to like wear another dress, and she has to wear 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.600 this like kind of frumpier dress. And it's just like 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:34.400 that like subtle thing of of where the husband's like, oh, yeah, no, 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.200 you look great in whatever you wear, like whatever, Like 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:41.000 it's just like sewing the seeds of him, like trying 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.840 to sabotage their relationship. That's the only thing that doesn't 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.600 work for her, but it's still like it's like honing 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:52.440 in on women's fears. Also, I mean gaslighting is just 0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:56.080 the most like I'll watch anything about gaslighting. Gaslightings like 0:45:56.160 --> 0:46:00.000 my ultimate fear, I think, um And just to see 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.959 someone who's like they just want to like not only 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.200 destroy your family, but just leave you thinking you're insane 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.920 and likes she makes her feel insane. She alienates her 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:13.360 from everybody. It's really amazing. And asked somebody with asthma, 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.640 this movie scared the fun, Oh my god. But it's 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.920 also such she's she's not getting good direction on how 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:21.800 to use an inhale at the front of the beginning, 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:26.880 she'll kind of puff it like a little stage. You know. 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:31.240 Curtis Hansen is just so good. He makes so many, 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:35.000 so many bangers. Yeah, it does, and a little underrated 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.680 maybe for not being flashy. But like this movie, I 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:41.680 feel like, dude, I know, but it's not like it's 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.600 also got another Grammar Bell's score on it. I know 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.000 at this time I loved it, but I was like, 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:50.400 what were you? Maybe he hated Body of Evidence. He 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:52.319 was just like, I'm not going to really do my 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.560 best work here. But you know, if it takes place 0:46:55.640 --> 0:47:01.440 in like a leafy Pacific Northwestern house, beautiful house, we'll 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.719 watch it. Do you think that it was just really 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.000 cheap to shoot there at the time, and that's why 0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.759 every single thriller took place there. Yeah, there were a 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.279 lot of Pacific Northwest movie. I think it was just 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.279 Sleepless in Seattle was about the same time. I think 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:17.840 it was just the nineties. It was the Seattle Seattle 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:21.399 was as cool. It's also like interesting because you know, 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.160 Claire being like the matriarch of the family or whatever 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:26.799 making a greenhouse and she's just like in all of 0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:30.080 these really lush settings and like you know, her house 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:31.959 is just like filled with greenery. And then she goes 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.719 to this really weird modern house where the doctor and 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:37.719 it's like on the sea or what it's like on 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.600 a cliff. I like these movies because they lean into 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:45.239 like the I just love crazy women in movies. You know, 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:50.800 maybe not in real life, although debatable definitely, And sometimes 0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:54.200 I mean, I love you know, we're going to bring 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.520 up basic instinct every week until we actually watch it 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.520 for this but like and I love that movie as 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.440 my as you guys do. But like there is some 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:07.160 extra kind of spiciness and like rareness the scene, something 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:11.440 about a crazy woman, like who is also smart in 0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.239 the same way that like, you know, Katherine Trammell is 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:19.040 smart but is in battle with another smart woman. Like 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:23.080 it's the best. It's not like a man being threatened 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:27.200 by this diabolical woman. It's like it passes the Bechdel test. 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:33.680 Let's say, uh and more, these are women's movies, and 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.960 I wish they were dead played. Oh she's so And 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.919 then she went on to be in the Nanny she's 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:45.160 from that No, that's just and such a good kid 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.880 actor I usual, I rarely ever think that, but she's 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:52.320 so good. Was the nanny is like the good world 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:54.799 hand that rocks the cradle? But then I feel like 0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:59.800 she breaks up that family also, so maybe maybe the 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:05.759 uh industry of nannine is broken, inherently broken and people well, 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:07.520 I think I think the thing is is that it 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.759 when you when you hire a nanny, which I've never done, 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:15.560 but I'm imagining, and because you saw that's the reason 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.960 there's never like a lack of ambivalence when you entrust 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:21.720 your kids to say, how well do you know somebody? 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:26.080 It's like the opportunity to exploit that fear because you 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.120 can know the better you know someone. But it's like 0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:30.080 and again that's why it's like I feel like this 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.240 movie is a little progressive because it's like the person 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.839 who you think like looks like the person who will 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:38.440 treat your child, well, it's like not that person and 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:42.120 like even y'all are a little like racist and ablest 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:47.000 for like not fully trustings and child difficult, Like it 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:50.600 just seems so dated to watch the cliches in that 0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:53.319 character and you know what that reminded me of also, 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.480 which is not an erotic thriller, but falls into the 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:59.960 blonde sociopath genre. Along with this and the Paranis document 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:03.560 as the Bad Seed. Obviously, tessin his favorite movie about 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.400 a dead eyed blonde sociopath. Um, there's like a handyman 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:10.080 in that who like figures out what's going on before 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.319 everybody else. Yeah. Well, I think it's also just like 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.480 people who are in your house, you know, like you 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:17.360 make the decision to trust them and it can just 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.800 easily prove to be a bad decision. But that's also 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.480 true of like, you know, the people in your family, 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:26.279 if you really want to think that, depending on out 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:31.440 even your parents in some cases. Exactly. Wow, what a movie. 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:39.520 Such a movie. Before we sign off, do you guys 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.680 feel like taking one tiny little last night call. Yeah? Sure. 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:47.520 You were talking about the Langaliers this week, and I 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.160 just wanted to note that, um, it was filmed in 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.840 my hometown. Basically, Um, Stephen King is from Maine, and 0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:56.160 so this is filmed in manga main and all of 0:50:56.239 --> 0:51:00.880 the celebrities, which I mean, I don't know I really qualifies, 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.800 but the actress in the movie we're staying in the area. Um, 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.200 which is how I met you know, Brompton, Pin Show, 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.759 balkybar Takomas. One of the most exciting celebrity encounters of 0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:15.640 my life. Um, and it was a real exciting time 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:17.360 for us. And I did write a review of it 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:20.000 for my high school newspaper and I remember not liking it, 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:21.960 so I might have to revisit it based off always 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:26.680 recommend thanks as always. But I guys, you are too 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:32.879 uh born and raised Angelino kids, so maybe not born. 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:35.879 I came here in high school and okay, okay, so 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.160 but you you grew up, you spent some of your 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:45.359 you're you're growing up years New York like the same 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.240 same diff anyway, you guys both came from the big city. 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.920 Uh so maybe a movie filming in your hometown is 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:56.440 not necessarily the exciting thing. But I got very excited 0:51:56.480 --> 0:52:00.799 about all the porn shoots in the valley always. Uh 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.400 those are those are open sets, right, you can just 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:07.600 like walk in. Just exciting. I'm you know, the glamor 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:11.000 of Hollywood. Um, what what did you see being filmed? Emily? 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:15.239 If did you have an experience? Well, I know, well 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.240 I was I wanted to talk about this just because 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:21.600 of this movie being shot in Tacoma, Washington and Seattle, 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:25.239 like two places that I grew up, and also the 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:28.520 Pacific Northwest being used for a lot of things. In Iowa, 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:34.200 a movie shot there, like I feel like the Summer 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.560 that I moved there, um, which is not a well 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:39.680 known movie, but it was like a thing that everybody 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:43.560 knew about for like years called UM or no, it 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:49.480 was called White Boys came out. So yeah, I was 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:52.200 shooting the Summer that we moved there, and it's like 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.000 a movie that nobody has ever heard of about, like 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:58.600 White Wrappers, UM, but it was weirdly well known around there, 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.440 just because it was a movie that shot in Iowa City. 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.200 Weirdly a book that actually took place in Iowa City 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.200 and they made a movie up. I don't think shot 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:13.560 there was um Jesus Son. But I also remember in 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:18.800 Los Angeles, like early in me living there, being very 0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:21.239 tickled to live on the street where they would like 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:25.080 shoot all the um New York set things in l A. 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:27.439 Because I looked down the street that looked like New York. 0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:30.960 So it was very Uh. A lot of times there 0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.320 were just you would kind of just transform and suddenly 0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:35.560 like look like New York in the winter, which was 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:39.640 always fun. Um they shot like an HBO movie. I 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:41.799 feel like in Tacoma when I was a kid that 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.719 I auditioned for actually that I never heard anything else 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:49.320 about afterwards, but um, it would happen every once in 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:53.400 a while around Seattle and Tacoma, people shoot a lot 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:55.759 of commercials on our on the street that I live on, 0:53:56.200 --> 0:54:00.719 and um, I am in a union, but more importantly 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:04.040 of really cute dog and I keep I've always had 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:07.080 the dream that my dog, though she is untrainable because 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.200 she is old and cannot hear, will be like scouted 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.760 because I'm like, I don't want my kids to act 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:16.640 like their children. They have jobs, which is like school 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:22.960 and just being children. I don't particularly Dren you're growing up. 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:25.880 I don't necessary I don't. I don't think I'm going 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:30.080 to be scouted and probably win, but the dog. And 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:32.359 so what I'll do is if someone this happens, like 0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:34.919 people shoot on our street, I would say twice a month, 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:38.560 I always try and time my dog walking for that 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.279 during the shoot, and then I like linger in front 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:44.240 of the shoot location and I'll be like good dogs 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:47.240 Sadie well, you're such a you're just such a good dog. 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.239 Try and up sell the dog. It's never worked, you know. 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:54.239 As soon as I start moving on, I'm so mad 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:57.440 at them, like a terrible taste, even if they don't 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:01.239 need a dog in their commercials. Aid to Hollywood and 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:08.359 Vine to be discovered, she's a beautiful counter just just 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.440 but also, um, we should take her to Melrose sometime 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:16.480 and do a Instagram dog shoot with her. I would 0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.680 love for her to be a late in life dog. 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:21.640 That's the thing is that she should be like, you know, 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:25.080 the equivalent of an advanced She can be like our 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:27.920 pod dog. Okay, so, but we would love to hear 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.319 from you. 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