Speaker 1: It's three forty one am in Tacoma, Washington, and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Nichael. Hello, and welcome back to Night Call,
Speaker 1: a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. I
Speaker 1: am Tess Lynch in Los Angeles with Molly Lambert. And
Speaker 1: joining us in New York is Emily Oshida, one time
Speaker 1: resident of Tacoma, Washington. Look at that. Did you recognize
Speaker 1: the address in the thriller that we're going to discuss later?
Speaker 1: You mean, what was it? Eighty? Yeah, Yakima. It's the
Speaker 1: Yakima Sorr. Yakima, Washington is also the birthplace of Karl McLaughlin.
Speaker 1: Fun fact, Washingtonian. Um, they're not in Tacoma though, they're
Speaker 1: in Seattle. They're like on the other side. So Seattle
Speaker 1: is like I think it was filmed. It was filmed
Speaker 1: in Tacoma. It was filmed in Tacoma, filmed in a combo.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you what we're talking about soon. But first,
Speaker 1: Emily had something very strange arrive in her mailbox that
Speaker 1: she forwarded to me and Molly, Emily, can you please
Speaker 1: talk about this? Okay? So I got a letter in
Speaker 1: the mail after getting back from Austin it's fun to
Speaker 1: get mail everybody. I'm getting it out of my back
Speaker 1: right now as we speak. Um, everybody loves to get mail. Um.
Speaker 1: This was a ten page double sided letter in curier
Speaker 1: font and the first I'll start reading it just to
Speaker 1: the time. I'm not going to read the whole thing,
Speaker 1: because as I said, it is ten page, just double sided.
Speaker 1: But it starts. Emily, please forgive us, but we've just
Speaker 1: taken a closer look at your profile. It turns out
Speaker 1: you're more special than any of us imagined. Did you
Speaker 1: know that you possess some very rare, hidden traits. In fact,
Speaker 1: there is a famous person, someone you would instantly recognize,
Speaker 1: he's on TV every night, who possesses the same special,
Speaker 1: incredibly rare traits. It turns out the people who possess
Speaker 1: these same rare and often hidden traits that you do
Speaker 1: are some of the most famous and successful people on
Speaker 1: this planet. Emily, you are indeed blessed. I know those
Speaker 1: around you don't know this yet, but they will down deep.
Speaker 1: You sense it to right, I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 1: Exclamation point. Uh. This goes on to be a extremely
Speaker 1: long pitch for me to uh join something referred to
Speaker 1: as the society which is s is capitalized, and and
Speaker 1: the word is italic oftentimes in the letter I did
Speaker 1: a little research on because I was this first of all,
Speaker 1: just seems so old school. It feels like something from
Speaker 1: the nineties, or like it feels like getting a chain
Speaker 1: letter or something you're old chain letters. Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1: they do a bullet point list on this is on
Speaker 1: page nine of UH twelve. Um here is just a
Speaker 1: sample of the power of the secrets. Discover the one
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Speaker 1: new powers and render all others completely helpless. On that's
Speaker 1: the weirdest. The picture of it also, and it was
Speaker 1: like photo copied it looked like a zodiac letter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's all like you know, courier
Speaker 1: front the whole way through. So I did a little
Speaker 1: research on it, and I sent you guys a couple
Speaker 1: of articles from the l A Times from a few.
Speaker 1: One was from I think one was from and one
Speaker 1: was from Yes, David Lazarus, and they're both really interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the more recent one was that the letter had
Speaker 1: arrived for somebody who was dead and the person's adult
Speaker 1: child had gotten the letter. And the guy who sent
Speaker 1: who's like in charge of this thing, some guy in
Speaker 1: like Henderson, Nevada. He went and interviewed him, the reporter
Speaker 1: did and uh, you know, he insisted, we hand pick
Speaker 1: all the people that we send this out to. There's
Speaker 1: a rigorous selection process. But they're basically like, Okay, the
Speaker 1: rigorous selection process led you to this guy who's been
Speaker 1: dead for two years. The scam seems to be something.
Speaker 1: It's it's like a cross between scientology and like Encyclopedia salesman.
Speaker 1: You get one kind of introductory book when you when
Speaker 1: you sign up for this, like just to get you
Speaker 1: interested in these secrets that you sign up free and
Speaker 1: they give you like a couple secret pamphlet yeah, which
Speaker 1: sounds like it's basically like objectivism, kind of like libertarianism.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, to figure out how to do it,
Speaker 1: you need to buy what I think amounts to like
Speaker 1: three volumes of books, and the books like ten tho
Speaker 1: dollars or something in total. Or yeah, here's my question,
Speaker 1: how did you get on the spiling list? Someone I
Speaker 1: methods one of their methods, Well, all of all of
Speaker 1: my best mail, I know comes from the fact that
Speaker 1: I have credit card debt. Uh. So it could be that, um,
Speaker 1: there's something about this letter that, even though it's ridiculous
Speaker 1: and so obviously insane, I did not sit down and
Speaker 1: read the whole thing beginning to end. I kind of
Speaker 1: like skimmed it and found some interesting parts. But I
Speaker 1: could imagine like being up particularly lonely person with not
Speaker 1: a lot to do and getting this letter and sitting
Speaker 1: down and not really having anything better to do and
Speaker 1: reading the whole thing and like being like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, I am special, Like I am I do
Speaker 1: have a good profile, you know, Like, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like kind of it tells you everything you want to
Speaker 1: hear in a really dumb way. Uh. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's very clearly a scam. Uh. My favorite part about
Speaker 1: it is that, like it says that the members of
Speaker 1: the society apparently have meetups and like fraternize and talk
Speaker 1: about how to render others helpless. Yeah, they take all
Speaker 1: all their money. It's like Bohemian grove. Yeah. I read
Speaker 1: that one of the ways that they choose who to
Speaker 1: send the letters to is based on, um, like the
Speaker 1: publicly available data of which magazines you subscribe to. I
Speaker 1: think one of them was like Forbes or Fortune, um,
Speaker 1: but as we all know, a super subscriber to for
Speaker 1: the Raw Report. I'm wondering if they are like publicly
Speaker 1: available lists of who goes to film festivals and and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, could that be a link? You're too
Speaker 1: smart if you're honestly, my first thought was signed up
Speaker 1: for the the What was the other one in the
Speaker 1: subway that you saw that was like no school for
Speaker 1: practical Philosophy. Yeah, no, I never signed up for that.
Speaker 1: We talked about that because it was like the oh
Speaker 1: I think it was on the outline. Yeah, that we
Speaker 1: talked about um, like there was a period of time
Speaker 1: when I like it was new to l A and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'll just like go to the
Speaker 1: Museum of what was the name of their museum, the
Speaker 1: scientology The Psychology as death museum is still getting confused
Speaker 1: for the death museum. I know there's a shitty serial
Speaker 1: killer museum or is that not the Museum of death?
Speaker 1: That's a museum of death but is different from psychology
Speaker 1: and Industry of Death anti psychiolotry um. They're both really
Speaker 1: scary and off putting in different ways. But you know,
Speaker 1: part of me is always like I'll go to the thing, like,
Speaker 1: I'll just check psychiatry and psychiatry of death. It's like
Speaker 1: a cat and fiddle. Yeah. Well, just feels like they
Speaker 1: would like scan your d n A as soon as
Speaker 1: you like walk through the door, and then you'd never
Speaker 1: get off their Melian list. I mean, yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: a lot of people who wanted to casually wander into
Speaker 1: some of those things, and I was like, don't do it,
Speaker 1: and then um. The society, though, goes by a bunch
Speaker 1: of also different names like Neo Tech, the Novas Tech Society,
Speaker 1: New votech Society, Neo Thinks it's siety, um, and it
Speaker 1: was started by this guy named Frank Wallace who was
Speaker 1: born Wallace Ward, and then his son took it over.
Speaker 1: His son's name is Wallace Ward Jr. I guess, and
Speaker 1: then he now goes by the name Mark Hamilton's, which
Speaker 1: he I think tried to trademark. But there's also like
Speaker 1: an interesting thing on the Rational Wiki when I googled
Speaker 1: um the society, Like I kind of fell into like
Speaker 1: a web hole on this about how Mark Hamilton's is
Speaker 1: like in a fight with Jimmy Wales from Wikipedia, because,
Speaker 1: like I guess, according to Hamilton's, Jimmy Wales used to
Speaker 1: be a contributor on the all dot neo tech Usenet
Speaker 1: group and then they got into this like thing because um,
Speaker 1: Hamilton's wanted to like edit the neo tech Wikipedia and
Speaker 1: his dad's Wikipedia and like Wikipedia, you know, it was
Speaker 1: like allowing truthful edits and he wanted like a kinder edit.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting, so much stuff about old hacker groups
Speaker 1: coming up. So yeah, um for it, Mr Robot presidential
Speaker 1: candidate for well you were also Emily. You also got
Speaker 1: like a ton of weird international calls to your cell phone.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well this is I'm not alone in this
Speaker 1: um because I did a little bit of a search afterwards.
Speaker 1: In Ira Madison was tweeting about this of getting calls
Speaker 1: from I had been getting them from Belarus. I think
Speaker 1: there were some a couple of other countries that people
Speaker 1: were getting calls from, but they would just like show up,
Speaker 1: and of course I was not picking them up because
Speaker 1: I just don't pick up unknown calls, much less calls
Speaker 1: from Belarus. But then I was getting them repeatedly, which
Speaker 1: usually doesn't happen. So then I I blocked one, and
Speaker 1: then it was like whack a mole, Like once I
Speaker 1: blocked one, then another number would start calling me until
Speaker 1: I blocked that one too. This was kind of happening
Speaker 1: on and off, like throughout the time that I was
Speaker 1: in Texas. I mean, I'm not sure exactly what that
Speaker 1: one is about, but there is like a thing of
Speaker 1: just um like it's one of these ways that um
Speaker 1: uh like terrorism gets funded, like doing these kind of
Speaker 1: auto calls and like collecting this two pennies or something
Speaker 1: for um like just from your carriers. How terrorism gets funded. No,
Speaker 1: because it's like the scheme where it's like you do
Speaker 1: you wait, who is funding. Oh, it's just one of
Speaker 1: these schemes like they'll they'll they'll set up these auto
Speaker 1: calls to call people, um in international numbers, and then
Speaker 1: there's like bella rous. No, I'm not necessarily it's uh,
Speaker 1: you can look it up. This is a thing. The
Speaker 1: carrier will pick up the call and then there's like
Speaker 1: a two cent or something amount that's bounced back to
Speaker 1: the caller. And so they just do this in this
Speaker 1: in this high volume, and it's one of the one
Speaker 1: of these like black market methods of fundering. I'm googling it.
Speaker 1: I'm googling it. I'm not being I forget the name
Speaker 1: of it, but it's I want to know who's doing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like freaking alright. Snopes ways in terrorists
Speaker 1: funded through telemarketing claim terrorists are funding their operations through
Speaker 1: a telephone scam that lures the unsuspecting hold on. No,
Speaker 1: because the whole thing has nothing to do with any
Speaker 1: contact made with a person. You never like, the goal
Speaker 1: is to like get somebody to pick up the phone
Speaker 1: for you know. I can believe this is a thing.
Speaker 1: It's just it breaks my brain to try and figure
Speaker 1: out how it would work. And like Snope said it
Speaker 1: was false, but it was like it was like Emily said,
Speaker 1: it was a different thing. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: they keep you on the line. This she's saying that
Speaker 1: they just randomly whipped through numbers to collect a very
Speaker 1: small fee that ends up somehow What are who are
Speaker 1: we talking about? I'm continuing to the terrorists. That sounds fake.
Speaker 1: It does sound fake. I mean it's I don't I
Speaker 1: cannot tell you the name. That sounds like an urban legend.
Speaker 1: And that is interesting too, because it is interesting that
Speaker 1: people are trying to like defund Snopes because they're like,
Speaker 1: it's got correct info about stuff we don't want there
Speaker 1: to be correct information about is the only and the
Speaker 1: idea that Wikipedia came out of an argument between some
Speaker 1: people and like a rationalist message board is not super surprising.
Speaker 1: And that one guy was like, let's be what we
Speaker 1: think is truthful and the other person was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's like an objective truth you have to stick to.
Speaker 1: Also seems like everything that's happening now, so this this
Speaker 1: particular Snopes that is false, unsurprisingly false, that terrorists were
Speaker 1: We're calling people and being like stay on the line
Speaker 1: because I've got really interesting information about a nuclear attack,
Speaker 1: and people were like, oh, no, I have to stay
Speaker 1: on the line because I got to find out about
Speaker 1: these So that's that is false. I believe that people
Speaker 1: are doing black market robot calls to raise money. I
Speaker 1: don't believe that it is funding terrorist terrorism unless there's
Speaker 1: some actual proof of that. This like a D D
Speaker 1: O S attack that we're kind of talking about, it's
Speaker 1: similar in nature. Yeah. I was getting some robotcalls, a
Speaker 1: lot of robot calls recently, but they're all for like
Speaker 1: a dream vacation. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: It's a robot and it's like, get is it the
Speaker 1: robot that pretends to be I like this the sound.
Speaker 1: It's like the ones where it's like I'm a fake person.
Speaker 1: It's like, Hello, have you been thinking about going on
Speaker 1: a dream vacation? It's like yes, all the time, stay
Speaker 1: on the line. No, I always hang up, but I
Speaker 1: do often. I pick up sometimes because sometimes they come
Speaker 1: from like a local ish number and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: let's find out. I think I got one weird call
Speaker 1: from maybe a Belarus type. I got one weird European
Speaker 1: call that I was like, not picking that up, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure I feel like I've talked about on the
Speaker 1: pod before. The scam that I got for a minute
Speaker 1: was one or somebody calls you from jail in Texas.
Speaker 1: I do remember this. It was like, you have they
Speaker 1: call you collect and they're like, you have a collect
Speaker 1: call from you know, the Texas whatever in mate numbers, right,
Speaker 1: And I like the first time it happened, I was like,
Speaker 1: do I know somebody? Who would I know that we're
Speaker 1: calling me collect from jail and very stressful. Well right,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh am, I like what if this person
Speaker 1: did need if we and they were like, I don't
Speaker 1: know anyone in jail. But then you figure out it's
Speaker 1: a scam. Yeah. Um. I had a really uh frustrating,
Speaker 1: like obviously fake, but frustrating call a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago from somebody who said that my identity had been
Speaker 1: compromised and used to rent a car in Texas. Um
Speaker 1: that then the car was found abandoned, uh, with like
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars worth of cocaine in it and what
Speaker 1: and um they said that my social Security number needed
Speaker 1: was had been compromised and needed to be deactivated. And
Speaker 1: then and I started to like I was like, who
Speaker 1: are you again? And like, you know, not to general ears,
Speaker 1: but it sounded like a like a South Asian like
Speaker 1: you know, outsourced caller. And I was like, where are
Speaker 1: you going because he said he was in uh upstate,
Speaker 1: New York from like the New York State Police. And
Speaker 1: then I like asked for a badge number and stuff,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I'm going to get my
Speaker 1: husband on the phone and then he hung up. Yeah, SORR, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of amazing that like phone scams
Speaker 1: have come back because maybe they're in some way they've
Speaker 1: ramped up so much because of call of spoofing and
Speaker 1: v O I P. I mean, it's super easy. Spoofing
Speaker 1: is when disguise your number with a number, like if
Speaker 1: you have caller I D it could say like the
Speaker 1: you know, Office of Corrections, the I R S Like
Speaker 1: I get so many in that And that's why because
Speaker 1: they used to be able to deactivate, they would trace
Speaker 1: where the numbers were coming from. It would be like
Speaker 1: the actual number and then your cell phone like the
Speaker 1: police are calling. Pretty much what happened to this call
Speaker 1: from the quote unquote New York State Police, Like I
Speaker 1: googled the number while I was on the phone with him,
Speaker 1: and it was a legit number from the New York
Speaker 1: State Police and then to you the number, but then
Speaker 1: you're blocking the real number. You're not blocking this, but
Speaker 1: it seems illegal. It's so it's totally oh no, it's
Speaker 1: it's legal. So I called them and I was just
Speaker 1: just to like heads up that that that their number
Speaker 1: had been spoofed, because it's like, uh, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they were going to follow up
Speaker 1: on it, but it's like it's hard. I think it's
Speaker 1: really hard to counter counteract that because you can't really
Speaker 1: do anything from your end exactly like the spoof number.
Speaker 1: It also is really messed up because some the two
Speaker 1: um there are three that I've heard of actually happening,
Speaker 1: are spoof numbers being used to realistically impersonate, you know, kidnap.
Speaker 1: You heard about the scam where it's like you call
Speaker 1: elderly people and say that a loved one has been
Speaker 1: kidnapped and kind of like, so you call elderly people
Speaker 1: and people that might be like alone and lonely, and
Speaker 1: but it's like if you call someone who's not familiar
Speaker 1: with with you know, calling spoofing, and it says the
Speaker 1: I R S or whatever exactly. It says Windows Customer
Speaker 1: Support for the wind your your Windows computers. It's like
Speaker 1: that is sort of high tech for a thing involving phones,
Speaker 1: but it's still phones. I'm just like, yeah, you know, wow,
Speaker 1: people pick up the phone and talk on the phone.
Speaker 1: I mean, I always get nervous because I'm I. I
Speaker 1: usually choose not to pick up the phone if I
Speaker 1: don't know the number, but then like maybe one out
Speaker 1: of four times it ends up being somebody that's calling
Speaker 1: me about something work related and I just don't know's
Speaker 1: I'll get the email right after, like hey, I just
Speaker 1: tried to and I just didn't happen to have their
Speaker 1: number or their name, you know, attached to the number.
Speaker 1: But so it's not like I never I used the
Speaker 1: phone quite a bit, actually, like I I talked to
Speaker 1: people on the phone pretty often. Loves the phone. I
Speaker 1: love the phone communication. It's like so much more efficient
Speaker 1: than it only takes one hand. Wait, unlike texting. Texting
Speaker 1: also text hand You text with one hand, that's so slow.
Speaker 1: That's even more unefficial. I text really fast. I text
Speaker 1: mostly on the computer, but when I texted. I text
Speaker 1: on the computer. I'm against texting on the computer, the
Speaker 1: text computers, the streams. I am obsessed with texting on
Speaker 1: When I text on the computer with someone who doesn't,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, they must think I'm the best text
Speaker 1: in the world. I'm the best texter in the world.
Speaker 1: On one hand, I don't need a I don't need
Speaker 1: the keyboard. I don't know you too hand texters, guys.
Speaker 1: I think we should take a night email. Absolutely. This
Speaker 1: call comes to us from Eve. We got this a
Speaker 1: little while ago, so hopefully it's not too late, but
Speaker 1: we just thought it was timely, so we thought we'd
Speaker 1: read it. Dear night call. I live in New York
Speaker 1: in My family and friends are all in the Northeast.
Speaker 1: I just found out that I was accepted to a
Speaker 1: grad program at USC. What do I need to know
Speaker 1: to decide whether I should move to l A. My
Speaker 1: main worries are A, I'm not a very good driver,
Speaker 1: and be what with the coming climate of pocalypse? Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't want to be three thousand miles from everyone
Speaker 1: I love. What do you think? Thanks? I think there
Speaker 1: are two parts to us answering this email. One of
Speaker 1: them is just an excuse to talk about the college
Speaker 1: admission scandal for a second, back on scams, in which
Speaker 1: USC played a central role of old scams made new. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: USC was where Laurie Laughlin or no, yeah, two weeks
Speaker 1: ago and then that scandal broke and we were like,
Speaker 1: let us still also we should we should clarify I mean,
Speaker 1: not clarify because she says it, but just reiterate she's
Speaker 1: she's gotten to a grad program. So this is a
Speaker 1: little bit different than like scamming your way onto the
Speaker 1: rowing team at USC. Like, you know, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: there's a much more legit process we're getting into grad
Speaker 1: school there, but those you know, I mean I think Eve,
Speaker 1: you sound like you got in on your own merits.
Speaker 1: So congratulation, congratulations, But you know, USC has had a
Speaker 1: really troubled couple of years right now, Um, this is
Speaker 1: like the scandal is this year, and all of the
Speaker 1: scandals were like some of them were more lurid than this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean this one after the initial
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, scandalous nature of the fact
Speaker 1: that so many recognizable names had like committed a real crime,
Speaker 1: and it was like very strange. I think looking back
Speaker 1: at the USC scandals, the guy who was like doing
Speaker 1: drugs and operating on eyes, and also the like really
Speaker 1: awful um gynecologist. Yeah, there was like the head of gynecollege.
Speaker 1: Like one of the people in the medical department at
Speaker 1: USC was like maybe head of gynecology was like molesting
Speaker 1: people during exams, which then happens in the hand that
Speaker 1: rocks the cradle, which we will be just saying next
Speaker 1: Yes that was Dr Tyndall. I think that happened there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were just like a lot of bad things usc.
Speaker 1: USC has bad energy. It has to say that. I know,
Speaker 1: I mean like go Brewin, but but like they just
Speaker 1: I did apply for USC, and maybe I have a
Speaker 1: little bit of you know, resembment because they were the
Speaker 1: only school that did not accept me of all the
Speaker 1: like however many I applied to. But I'm glad that
Speaker 1: I didn't go to USC because it feels like it
Speaker 1: feels just like a bad vibe school, Like I I
Speaker 1: can't know when is the last time something cool happening? No,
Speaker 1: I mean USC is there's a lot of good cool
Speaker 1: people who go there, and there's it's like but it's
Speaker 1: also sort of a party school. It is both universally
Speaker 1: spoiled children, right, but it's also like it also is
Speaker 1: like a film school. And I got to shout out
Speaker 1: our undergrad friend, Um Ray, Hi, Ray. You probably don't
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast, but I always have to, like think,
Speaker 1: Ray was, um this guy who went to high school
Speaker 1: with us, and he was super interested in toy cars.
Speaker 1: But he was just like really smart and like into
Speaker 1: like he kind of understood the Internet in a really
Speaker 1: like precocious way. Anyway, he went to USC, and he
Speaker 1: was also working the entire time that he was at USC.
Speaker 1: I think that they were like more supportive of that
Speaker 1: than some undergraduate programs would have been, and as a result,
Speaker 1: like he got to kind of work on his dream
Speaker 1: job while still having the ability to like have a
Speaker 1: college life and stuff. He made USC sound like the
Speaker 1: perfect place for a certain type of kid, you know,
Speaker 1: who really knows what they want to do and they
Speaker 1: want to start working, but they also want to all
Speaker 1: the schools are corrupt, All private institutions are corrupt. There
Speaker 1: were like a lot of things going on in the story,
Speaker 1: which was like people being mad that these rich people
Speaker 1: scammed their kids way into the school, and then other
Speaker 1: people being mad that they didn't do it the right
Speaker 1: way that like nor people. They scammed their way in
Speaker 1: by like buying buildings and donating things, and well this
Speaker 1: is like the middle class rich person's way of scamming
Speaker 1: their way and like you're not quite rich enough to
Speaker 1: buy a wing, but however, bribe your way into this.
Speaker 1: I thought William H. Macy and Felicity Huffman were totally
Speaker 1: famous enough to get a kid into USC just on
Speaker 1: like being famous people. It sounded like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it just sounds like and you know, I feel
Speaker 1: bad for the kids. A lot of people were kind
Speaker 1: of coming down on the kids, saying the kids must
Speaker 1: have known. And even though like Lori Laughlin's kids didn't
Speaker 1: seem jazzed to be at school, I guess her daughter
Speaker 1: Olivia Jade, who's like talked about how she liked was
Speaker 1: literally like she just wanted to go to school with
Speaker 1: her friends, so she she wanted to go to parties.
Speaker 1: But it's also hard because it's like, what if any
Speaker 1: of those kids didn't know. That's just like the most
Speaker 1: fucked up things, Well, they shouldn't even be in the
Speaker 1: running to go to those schools, is the thing. They
Speaker 1: just like it's the entitlement of imagine, we should get
Speaker 1: to go to those school because all our friends are going.
Speaker 1: But imagine thinking that you got in and then you
Speaker 1: find out that there were like photoshopped pictures of you. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's even that's the thing
Speaker 1: for a parent to do to a kid, even if
Speaker 1: it comes from like started as a seed of good
Speaker 1: intention turned into this like really gross crime. But I
Speaker 1: mean it was it was interesting to me. But it's like,
Speaker 1: didn't you know that your kid's not smart enough to
Speaker 1: go to that school? No, you're as a parent, You're
Speaker 1: never gonna be like, my kid's not smart enough. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be like they don't try anybody if they could try,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't she be happier at like a school where
Speaker 1: she like right party exactly? This is like like a
Speaker 1: friend of pod Justin Charity on his podcast Damage Control,
Speaker 1: they were talking about how or she might be an idiot.
Speaker 1: We might think of her as being an idiot because
Speaker 1: she's like this eighteen year old doesn't care about school whatever.
Speaker 1: But she's like a pretty successful YouTuber is probably making
Speaker 1: her own money off of that, Like she doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: need to go to a school and clear have that
Speaker 1: much interested in nobody needs doctors, yes, but yeah, but
Speaker 1: she's trying to be a doctor is only useful for
Speaker 1: like if she want to get an NBA or name,
Speaker 1: like sure, but but you know, And so I think,
Speaker 1: I think, like the discussion of like our our our
Speaker 1: our caller, who is going to a grad program that
Speaker 1: feels like a very different thing than this obligatory undergraduate
Speaker 1: education at like a classy quote unquote institution, like the
Speaker 1: the purposes of undergrad versus grad are are vastly different,
Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about it this way, like yes, um,
Speaker 1: you have much more autonomy by the time you're blying
Speaker 1: for grad school. To answer the question of should she
Speaker 1: move across the country to go to USC, knowing that
Speaker 1: she does not like driving and that her family's on
Speaker 1: the East Coast and that she's concerned about the climate apocalypse,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say no, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: bold thing to say, But I'm going to what the
Speaker 1: grad program and how much debt you're going to go
Speaker 1: into if there's debt. I mean, I would say also
Speaker 1: that having known a lot of grad students, like that's
Speaker 1: just another oversaturated job market with not enough jobs, full
Speaker 1: of overqualified people that have done all the work and
Speaker 1: checked all the boxes, and that are like, wait, what
Speaker 1: what what market like the professorial job market? That academia, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a place that you would think was like a respite
Speaker 1: from the rest of capitalism. Absolutely not. All schools are
Speaker 1: run like businesses now, regardless of their public or private.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that, like, I mean, all of
Speaker 1: us have clearly made the decision to not go to
Speaker 1: grad school shaking out differently, different, different, great outcome. There's
Speaker 1: still time. I'm never going to Are you kidding me
Speaker 1: on the fucking grad school? I'm not. I'm not planning
Speaker 1: to go. I got to if I got to go
Speaker 1: to grad school for completely free. Sure, you would love
Speaker 1: to go to art school. Yeah, I cannot imagine anything
Speaker 1: worse right now at this point in my life and
Speaker 1: going to art school. I'm such a different planet from you, guys.
Speaker 1: I applied to like thirty colleges, I didn't get into
Speaker 1: most of them, and I would love to just keep
Speaker 1: going to a different college every four years. That would
Speaker 1: just be great. I don't want to go to college anymore,
Speaker 1: but if I could learn something and not have to
Speaker 1: go into debt. I feel now like I'm in a
Speaker 1: better place to like focus. Also, there's no shame in
Speaker 1: community college, like go to community A class, I mean
Speaker 1: class you don't have to do you want to go
Speaker 1: to USC, I will say that USC you you can,
Speaker 1: unless you like actually want to explore l A. It's
Speaker 1: like downtown is very like you know, walkable compared to
Speaker 1: a lot of the rest of l A. I think
Speaker 1: it would be easier to go to USC and like
Speaker 1: get away with using public train insportation. Then it would
Speaker 1: to go to I don't know, you know, some other
Speaker 1: place here Pepperdine, then you're screwed. Do not don't go
Speaker 1: to any of those like l A adjacent schools. I
Speaker 1: mean the thing of going to Loyal Marymount for the
Speaker 1: first two years of my college education. It was might
Speaker 1: as well have been in Ohio. It was yeah or
Speaker 1: she did not specify what the program was she got into.
Speaker 1: But I would say, if it's something like creative writing,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you don't need to go to l A
Speaker 1: for that, especially if it's going to cramp your style
Speaker 1: in other ways. But if it's something like you know,
Speaker 1: obviously like law school, met school, business school. We actually
Speaker 1: need the degree to like do the thing that you
Speaker 1: want to do. I mean go to law school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go to law school. Don't go to law if you're
Speaker 1: a good person, go to law school. Honestly, like you
Speaker 1: should come out to l A right for like three
Speaker 1: weeks and just see how it feels and then make
Speaker 1: your to decision if you have that amount of time,
Speaker 1: because then you would know like if if it's something
Speaker 1: you really want to go for, We're not going to
Speaker 1: say don't, but at the same time like, yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I'm not, I don't. Your your reservations caller are too
Speaker 1: strong already. Yeah, I think I think the sc is
Speaker 1: also going to be a bigger culture shock than like
Speaker 1: other l A adjacent schools you could go to, like
Speaker 1: U c l A. Or I'm just hearing this U
Speaker 1: c l A nationalism coming out so strong. It's true.
Speaker 1: I secretly stand U c l A because I went
Speaker 1: to a family camp there. There are some scandals to
Speaker 1: all the schools of scandals, Brown were tests and I
Speaker 1: went just had this big scandal that was about there
Speaker 1: being like a secret organization for rich kids inside the school,
Speaker 1: which I was like, well, I was like was it
Speaker 1: even secret? Like how are you talking about the was
Speaker 1: it the like, you know, the people who would get
Speaker 1: the espresso martinis and asked for a boxing the European people.
Speaker 1: They weren't all European, but that's it was like the
Speaker 1: first Martine Needs like a royalty tier at Brown where
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm not sure those people got in
Speaker 1: on grades, but yeah, it seems nice. Must be nice. Um, guys,
Speaker 1: should we talk about an erotic thriller? So we had
Speaker 1: a debate about whether this this counts but whether or
Speaker 1: not you agree, will you not join us right now
Speaker 1: on an erotic odyssey? Guys? I pushed really hard for
Speaker 1: this movie, which is a hand that rocks the cradle
Speaker 1: a ka natal attraction. But then I realized when we
Speaker 1: um talked last week on the phone that maybe it's
Speaker 1: not really erotic, it's post erotic thrill. We pulled our
Speaker 1: listeners on Twitter and after a whopping fifty votes, I
Speaker 1: think I came out with something like seventy in favor
Speaker 1: of being an erotic thriller. There are boobs. There are boobs,
Speaker 1: but it is those boobs are working hard in this movie.
Speaker 1: Those are mommy boobs. Oh don't you dare go there girl. There, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like they are.
Speaker 1: They are the context in which they are well whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know they have many, many jobs, but this is
Speaker 1: an important role of the amazing. I would never say
Speaker 1: anything not in favor of the boobs in this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm just like specifying their role. Um, which is everybody
Speaker 1: is thrilling. Um, it's erotic thriller. This movie is bonkers.
Speaker 1: I was not prepared for the level of insanity. Like
Speaker 1: I watched the trailer. I think I watched the clips.
Speaker 1: I told you guys, I watched the Cisco and Eber
Speaker 1: episode reviewing it. Um. I thought I was prepared for
Speaker 1: some kind of like proto lifetime movie. Um. This it
Speaker 1: is nowhere. I was not ready for this movie. It
Speaker 1: is so brutal. Yeah, soup to nuts. Like from the
Speaker 1: very very beginning of the movie, the funked up stuff
Speaker 1: starts to happen, does not stop. Its snowballs. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean spoilers to follow in case anyone was there
Speaker 1: wouldn't be. We're just gonna spoil everything, I think otherwise
Speaker 1: we can't really talk about it. The interesting thing just
Speaker 1: to like maybe start this off because I think it
Speaker 1: kind of helps me contextualize what is So. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I like this movie, but it is certainly
Speaker 1: remarkable and it was written by um Amanda Silver wrote this.
Speaker 1: So she's like a rare woman's scribe and the erotic,
Speaker 1: the erotic thriller genre woman scribe period. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: saw a movie poster are walking over here, and just
Speaker 1: like I was looking at it in the two and
Speaker 1: a half Man song started playing. But do she has
Speaker 1: a fascinating career? Did you go look her up? This
Speaker 1: was like her film school script, correct her first her
Speaker 1: first screen. I think this movie is awesome, Yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: but it's also like it is problematic and dated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think, like you know, obviously the character
Speaker 1: of Solomon played by Ernie Hudson, who does a great
Speaker 1: job by the way he's marrying and everything he does,
Speaker 1: but it is like, so he plays a mentally challenged
Speaker 1: kind of like handyman who then ends up being kind
Speaker 1: of the hero of the story. But it is it
Speaker 1: is rough, like I guess what happens to him is gnarly.
Speaker 1: It's the worst thing that happens. Maybe you can say
Speaker 1: other than the deaths, but maybe in a way worse.
Speaker 1: It's supernarly, but it's also so interesting. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like the whole point is that, like they're afraid to
Speaker 1: leave their yuppies are afraid to leave their child with
Speaker 1: him because he's like mentally a challenge to black, and
Speaker 1: like they're totally fine to leave their child exactly Rebecca
Speaker 1: to Mornick because she's blonde and white and like feminine
Speaker 1: and seems rich because she formerly was. Yeah, and like
Speaker 1: they just assume it's like that thing. They're like they
Speaker 1: assume she'll be like naturally a great nanny and then
Speaker 1: she's So it is really hard at this point in
Speaker 1: time for me to see an actor who's not um
Speaker 1: who who is like, you know, it's I think the
Speaker 1: handling of his character was like slightly ablest. It's at
Speaker 1: this point really hard to like see someone portray someone
Speaker 1: who is mentally challenged. If the actor is not, it's hard.
Speaker 1: He does great well, It's I think he does a
Speaker 1: good job. Like I think it's still a case by
Speaker 1: case basis for that kind of thing. But like the
Speaker 1: only thing kind of rubs me the wrong way about
Speaker 1: that is just like that he is sort of positioned
Speaker 1: as the person who like senses the trouble early on,
Speaker 1: like kind of visa v these like intuitive maybe one
Speaker 1: might say magical power, no I, But I also think
Speaker 1: it's like she thinks he's an idiot, so she goes out.
Speaker 1: She doesn't conceal her behaviors. She's like herself around him
Speaker 1: because she thinks he'll never do anything, and to be fair,
Speaker 1: he accidentally. So this is the big like scene that
Speaker 1: everyone kind of is left with and then later when
Speaker 1: you watch it again, they're like, You're like, but there
Speaker 1: are so many other even worse scenes, but it's primarily disturbing.
Speaker 1: You see Rebecca de Mornay as the nanny who gives
Speaker 1: her name is Peyton Flanders but is in fact Mrs Mott.
Speaker 1: She breastfeeds Annabella Siora's baby, who she's like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is like Solomon sees through the window because he's like,
Speaker 1: you got a painting the trim. That is the central
Speaker 1: horror scene in this movie. And it's amazing because you've
Speaker 1: never seen it before and it's and it's so like
Speaker 1: it gets and he is like a topless scene. But
Speaker 1: then you're like, uh no, um, Annabelle Shura is also
Speaker 1: she's yeah, she's like flannel. Yeah, the whole like flannel
Speaker 1: like northwestern housewife thing down with the volvo and everything.
Speaker 1: But it's just like so radiant, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: This movie is great because it gets into some of
Speaker 1: the same stuff as Fatal Attraction, where it's just like
Speaker 1: yuppie stuff and like women's anxiety about success of like
Speaker 1: you know, there's literally Julianne Moore's characters literally killed by
Speaker 1: the glass ceiling. Oh even that's true. She is literally
Speaker 1: killed by the and she has given a line earlier
Speaker 1: during a dinner where she's like, nowadays a lady has
Speaker 1: to bring in fifty dollars, make lasagna and give blow jobs.
Speaker 1: Who can make it work? And then she's killed by
Speaker 1: a glass ceiling and she talked about selling a house
Speaker 1: for like three million. Let's talk about Julianne Moore for
Speaker 1: one second in this movie, and let's talk about her
Speaker 1: for a long time. Ronnie Diller character that walks into
Speaker 1: this movie uher repertory player. Julianne Moore shows up again
Speaker 1: in this film to play the best friend of Annabelle Sera.
Speaker 1: Also the only person with any sense in this movie
Speaker 1: like she's the she is the only intelligent person who
Speaker 1: acts intelligences. Another thing too, where it's like she's Annabelle
Speaker 1: Siera's husband's old girlfriend. So you're like, you know, she's
Speaker 1: the person you you would maybe like not trust around
Speaker 1: your husband, but like, for some unbelievable reason, she trust
Speaker 1: Rebecca de Mornay because she trust her husband. I guess
Speaker 1: she's like, we are believing that Rebecca de Mornay is
Speaker 1: this weird like widow, or so she claims. She gives
Speaker 1: them a story as Peyton Flanders, that her husband was
Speaker 1: murdered and that her I don't know if she actually
Speaker 1: says that her child died or that she had a
Speaker 1: miscarriage in truth what happened. Well, just to give the
Speaker 1: backstory for anyone who's not seen The Hand, the Rocks
Speaker 1: the Cradle. Um, we start off with Claire, who's Annabelle.
Speaker 1: She ora she's getting a prenatal exam from a new doctor,
Speaker 1: Dr Mott, who molests her. She goes home, tells her husband,
Speaker 1: who's played by Matt McCoy, who's in l a confidential
Speaker 1: and police academy, and he's just like the worst care
Speaker 1: He's such a boy he's all but I know, I
Speaker 1: love him because he's like perfect. He's a prop in
Speaker 1: the way that like every woman exactly, that's what's great.
Speaker 1: He's he's kind of nice, like like a really really
Speaker 1: good beard. Like it's just so anyway, he's like, you
Speaker 1: have to tell the police. She does. It turns out
Speaker 1: other women have also been molested by Dr Mott. Dr
Speaker 1: Mott commits suicide. His wife, Rebecca de Morona, is pregnant
Speaker 1: with his kid. You know, after they tell her like, well,
Speaker 1: he killed himself and all these women are going to
Speaker 1: be afforded a judgment, so we have to sell your
Speaker 1: house and you're you're going to be losing. She just
Speaker 1: falls to the ground, faints, has a late term miscarriage,
Speaker 1: ends up, you know, going to the hospital. They have
Speaker 1: to give her a hysterectomy. Her baby dies, and then
Speaker 1: she's like eye for an eye, I'm gonna take everything.
Speaker 1: She reinvents herself as an evil Mary Poppins, yeah, and
Speaker 1: and gives herself a new name. However, one of the
Speaker 1: most unbelievable things in this movie is that on the news,
Speaker 1: so she's like recover, you know, she's recovering from this
Speaker 1: horrible thing that's happened Rebecca to Morny's character, she turns
Speaker 1: on the news and they're you know, the news are like, well, uh,
Speaker 1: doctor has committed suicide after this late and her name,
Speaker 1: I'm going to find you. Um. My only complaint about
Speaker 1: this movie is that I feel like the reveal that
Speaker 1: she's the doctor's wife could come later in the movie
Speaker 1: for us, Yeah, like instead of front loading it with oh, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that, we like we didn't have to see
Speaker 1: the face of who the doctor's wife is until yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that would have been a better like gotcha
Speaker 1: and the final effect if you on it, um yeah.
Speaker 1: Always we start off like waiting for her to do
Speaker 1: something messed up. The thing though. The only thing though
Speaker 1: is that this movie is she The things that she
Speaker 1: does in this movie are so brilliant and so fucked
Speaker 1: up that, like, even knowing from the get go that
Speaker 1: she's on a revenge path, I am still shocked what
Speaker 1: she does. Rebecca de Mornay's fucking amazing and we should
Speaker 1: talk about her now because she is so underrated. She's
Speaker 1: so good, good in risky business and in this and
Speaker 1: I learned everything about her, and when I learned is
Speaker 1: that her dad was a famous conservative Orange County talk
Speaker 1: radio guy who was like a shock chocolate, like the
Speaker 1: first guy to be like, you know, conservative California Mr
Speaker 1: Orange County. His name is Wally George. She was estranged
Speaker 1: from him because he was like a serial big a mist.
Speaker 1: She said he was a big a miss and he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not, and that's libel. And they think
Speaker 1: he had like like a wife in every port maybe
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um, But yeah, she's from Santa Rosa,
Speaker 1: which checks out nicely. So while we were watching the movie,
Speaker 1: there's this scene where she's going insane in the bathroom
Speaker 1: that's and so up the bathroom, and I think she's
Speaker 1: wearing like a red sweater and then she kind of
Speaker 1: she's like just kind of bulldozing around with like this
Speaker 1: just hitting everything. And my husband was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: this totally reminds me of The Shining. It's like being
Speaker 1: like so Jack Nicholson. And then I totally didn't remember
Speaker 1: that she was in The Shining in the TV movie,
Speaker 1: a very bad TV movie. But but she when she
Speaker 1: like I totally thought of The Shiny when she like
Speaker 1: uses the poker from the place to like stab her
Speaker 1: way through the door. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's just and it's actually like weirdly more terrifying case,
Speaker 1: but just because I hadn't seen it a zillion times.
Speaker 1: She also because she never appears to like sweat. She
Speaker 1: keeps straightening her hair, but she'll just go totally insane
Speaker 1: and then she'll straighten her little scruncheet. By the way,
Speaker 1: the worst hair in this movie that I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in any movie. Hair, all the hair, the stringy bangs,
Speaker 1: the scrunches. At one point, I don't remember, someone's wearing
Speaker 1: a scrunch that has been like twisted around like the
Speaker 1: world's smallest ponytail, so it just looks like a long
Speaker 1: scrunchy tail. I was like, I can't even watch the imbably,
Speaker 1: but I did like how it was like she's always
Speaker 1: wearing like pencil skirts and like she's like professional, like
Speaker 1: she freaks out when she gets a stain on her
Speaker 1: she doesn't. It seems like she did not have the
Speaker 1: budget to get a new wardrobe for her new identity,
Speaker 1: because when we see her, like, you know, finding out
Speaker 1: that she's not going to get any money from her
Speaker 1: husband's estate, then she's like wearing this totally buttoned up
Speaker 1: like the outfit. She knows what works for her and
Speaker 1: it's pencil skirts. She's not wrong, pencil skirts for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: she fucking rule. I feel like this in Fatal Attraction
Speaker 1: are both domestic horror domestic erotic thrillers, which is what
Speaker 1: makes them such classics, and I feel like I wish
Speaker 1: they were just like a hundred more movies like this. Well,
Speaker 1: they're really about like the home as a battle front
Speaker 1: like that that like less so than stuff like basic
Speaker 1: instinct or evidence or whatever. Like this is very crush.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we do the crush. Sometimes
Speaker 1: someone comes into your house, someone sucks everybody and your family, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ultimate nightmare. Instead of coming in and killing you,
Speaker 1: they just want to like have sex with your husband
Speaker 1: and breastfeed. But all the Italian art movies are about
Speaker 1: but like the level of seed planting and like long game,
Speaker 1: like like absolute emotional ruination that that she reeks in
Speaker 1: this movie is just so astounding. Like yeah, just like
Speaker 1: the way that she makes every but he just mistrust
Speaker 1: each other in really several ways, even like the first
Speaker 1: thing that she does, like one of the first things
Speaker 1: she does is, uh, they're going to go out to
Speaker 1: dinner with Julian Moore and her husband, and Claire has
Speaker 1: put out this like sexy little red dress to wear
Speaker 1: to dinner, and when she's like in the bathroom, uh,
Speaker 1: Peyton puts a stain on it, and so she can't
Speaker 1: wear perfew perfew, Yeah, and then she she she has
Speaker 1: to like wear another dress, and she has to wear
Speaker 1: this like kind of frumpier dress. And it's just like
Speaker 1: that like subtle thing of of where the husband's like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you look great in whatever you wear, like whatever, Like
Speaker 1: it's just like sewing the seeds of him, like trying
Speaker 1: to sabotage their relationship. That's the only thing that doesn't
Speaker 1: work for her, but it's still like it's like honing
Speaker 1: in on women's fears. Also, I mean gaslighting is just
Speaker 1: the most like I'll watch anything about gaslighting. Gaslightings like
Speaker 1: my ultimate fear, I think, um And just to see
Speaker 1: someone who's like they just want to like not only
Speaker 1: destroy your family, but just leave you thinking you're insane
Speaker 1: and likes she makes her feel insane. She alienates her
Speaker 1: from everybody. It's really amazing. And asked somebody with asthma,
Speaker 1: this movie scared the fun, Oh my god. But it's
Speaker 1: also such she's she's not getting good direction on how
Speaker 1: to use an inhale at the front of the beginning,
Speaker 1: she'll kind of puff it like a little stage. You know.
Speaker 1: Curtis Hansen is just so good. He makes so many,
Speaker 1: so many bangers. Yeah, it does, and a little underrated
Speaker 1: maybe for not being flashy. But like this movie, I
Speaker 1: feel like, dude, I know, but it's not like it's
Speaker 1: also got another Grammar Bell's score on it. I know
Speaker 1: at this time I loved it, but I was like,
Speaker 1: what were you? Maybe he hated Body of Evidence. He
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm not going to really do my
Speaker 1: best work here. But you know, if it takes place
Speaker 1: in like a leafy Pacific Northwestern house, beautiful house, we'll
Speaker 1: watch it. Do you think that it was just really
Speaker 1: cheap to shoot there at the time, and that's why
Speaker 1: every single thriller took place there. Yeah, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of Pacific Northwest movie. I think it was just
Speaker 1: Sleepless in Seattle was about the same time. I think
Speaker 1: it was just the nineties. It was the Seattle Seattle
Speaker 1: was as cool. It's also like interesting because you know,
Speaker 1: Claire being like the matriarch of the family or whatever
Speaker 1: making a greenhouse and she's just like in all of
Speaker 1: these really lush settings and like you know, her house
Speaker 1: is just like filled with greenery. And then she goes
Speaker 1: to this really weird modern house where the doctor and
Speaker 1: it's like on the sea or what it's like on
Speaker 1: a cliff. I like these movies because they lean into
Speaker 1: like the I just love crazy women in movies. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe not in real life, although debatable definitely, And sometimes
Speaker 1: I mean, I love you know, we're going to bring
Speaker 1: up basic instinct every week until we actually watch it
Speaker 1: for this but like and I love that movie as
Speaker 1: my as you guys do. But like there is some
Speaker 1: extra kind of spiciness and like rareness the scene, something
Speaker 1: about a crazy woman, like who is also smart in
Speaker 1: the same way that like, you know, Katherine Trammell is
Speaker 1: smart but is in battle with another smart woman. Like
Speaker 1: it's the best. It's not like a man being threatened
Speaker 1: by this diabolical woman. It's like it passes the Bechdel test.
Speaker 1: Let's say, uh and more, these are women's movies, and
Speaker 1: I wish they were dead played. Oh she's so And
Speaker 1: then she went on to be in the Nanny she's
Speaker 1: from that No, that's just and such a good kid
Speaker 1: actor I usual, I rarely ever think that, but she's
Speaker 1: so good. Was the nanny is like the good world
Speaker 1: hand that rocks the cradle? But then I feel like
Speaker 1: she breaks up that family also, so maybe maybe the
Speaker 1: uh industry of nannine is broken, inherently broken and people well,
Speaker 1: I think I think the thing is is that it
Speaker 1: when you when you hire a nanny, which I've never done,
Speaker 1: but I'm imagining, and because you saw that's the reason
Speaker 1: there's never like a lack of ambivalence when you entrust
Speaker 1: your kids to say, how well do you know somebody?
Speaker 1: It's like the opportunity to exploit that fear because you
Speaker 1: can know the better you know someone. But it's like
Speaker 1: and again that's why it's like I feel like this
Speaker 1: movie is a little progressive because it's like the person
Speaker 1: who you think like looks like the person who will
Speaker 1: treat your child, well, it's like not that person and
Speaker 1: like even y'all are a little like racist and ablest
Speaker 1: for like not fully trustings and child difficult, Like it
Speaker 1: just seems so dated to watch the cliches in that
Speaker 1: character and you know what that reminded me of also,
Speaker 1: which is not an erotic thriller, but falls into the
Speaker 1: blonde sociopath genre. Along with this and the Paranis document
Speaker 1: as the Bad Seed. Obviously, tessin his favorite movie about
Speaker 1: a dead eyed blonde sociopath. Um, there's like a handyman
Speaker 1: in that who like figures out what's going on before
Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah. Well, I think it's also just like
Speaker 1: people who are in your house, you know, like you
Speaker 1: make the decision to trust them and it can just
Speaker 1: easily prove to be a bad decision. But that's also
Speaker 1: true of like, you know, the people in your family,
Speaker 1: if you really want to think that, depending on out
Speaker 1: even your parents in some cases. Exactly. Wow, what a movie.
Speaker 1: Such a movie. Before we sign off, do you guys
Speaker 1: feel like taking one tiny little last night call. Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the Langaliers this week, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to note that, um, it was filmed in
Speaker 1: my hometown. Basically, Um, Stephen King is from Maine, and
Speaker 1: so this is filmed in manga main and all of
Speaker 1: the celebrities, which I mean, I don't know I really qualifies,
Speaker 1: but the actress in the movie we're staying in the area. Um,
Speaker 1: which is how I met you know, Brompton, Pin Show,
Speaker 1: balkybar Takomas. One of the most exciting celebrity encounters of
Speaker 1: my life. Um, and it was a real exciting time
Speaker 1: for us. And I did write a review of it
Speaker 1: for my high school newspaper and I remember not liking it,
Speaker 1: so I might have to revisit it based off always
Speaker 1: recommend thanks as always. But I guys, you are too
Speaker 1: uh born and raised Angelino kids, so maybe not born.
Speaker 1: I came here in high school and okay, okay, so
Speaker 1: but you you grew up, you spent some of your
Speaker 1: you're you're growing up years New York like the same
Speaker 1: same diff anyway, you guys both came from the big city.
Speaker 1: Uh so maybe a movie filming in your hometown is
Speaker 1: not necessarily the exciting thing. But I got very excited
Speaker 1: about all the porn shoots in the valley always. Uh
Speaker 1: those are those are open sets, right, you can just
Speaker 1: like walk in. Just exciting. I'm you know, the glamor
Speaker 1: of Hollywood. Um, what what did you see being filmed? Emily?
Speaker 1: If did you have an experience? Well, I know, well
Speaker 1: I was I wanted to talk about this just because
Speaker 1: of this movie being shot in Tacoma, Washington and Seattle,
Speaker 1: like two places that I grew up, and also the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest being used for a lot of things. In Iowa,
Speaker 1: a movie shot there, like I feel like the Summer
Speaker 1: that I moved there, um, which is not a well
Speaker 1: known movie, but it was like a thing that everybody
Speaker 1: knew about for like years called UM or no, it
Speaker 1: was called White Boys came out. So yeah, I was
Speaker 1: shooting the Summer that we moved there, and it's like
Speaker 1: a movie that nobody has ever heard of about, like
Speaker 1: White Wrappers, UM, but it was weirdly well known around there,
Speaker 1: just because it was a movie that shot in Iowa City.
Speaker 1: Weirdly a book that actually took place in Iowa City
Speaker 1: and they made a movie up. I don't think shot
Speaker 1: there was um Jesus Son. But I also remember in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, like early in me living there, being very
Speaker 1: tickled to live on the street where they would like
Speaker 1: shoot all the um New York set things in l A.
Speaker 1: Because I looked down the street that looked like New York.
Speaker 1: So it was very Uh. A lot of times there
Speaker 1: were just you would kind of just transform and suddenly
Speaker 1: like look like New York in the winter, which was
Speaker 1: always fun. Um they shot like an HBO movie. I
Speaker 1: feel like in Tacoma when I was a kid that
Speaker 1: I auditioned for actually that I never heard anything else
Speaker 1: about afterwards, but um, it would happen every once in
Speaker 1: a while around Seattle and Tacoma, people shoot a lot
Speaker 1: of commercials on our on the street that I live on,
Speaker 1: and um, I am in a union, but more importantly
Speaker 1: of really cute dog and I keep I've always had
Speaker 1: the dream that my dog, though she is untrainable because
Speaker 1: she is old and cannot hear, will be like scouted
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't want my kids to act
Speaker 1: like their children. They have jobs, which is like school
Speaker 1: and just being children. I don't particularly Dren you're growing up.
Speaker 1: I don't necessary I don't. I don't think I'm going
Speaker 1: to be scouted and probably win, but the dog. And
Speaker 1: so what I'll do is if someone this happens, like
Speaker 1: people shoot on our street, I would say twice a month,
Speaker 1: I always try and time my dog walking for that
Speaker 1: during the shoot, and then I like linger in front
Speaker 1: of the shoot location and I'll be like good dogs
Speaker 1: Sadie well, you're such a you're just such a good dog.
Speaker 1: Try and up sell the dog. It's never worked, you know.
Speaker 1: As soon as I start moving on, I'm so mad
Speaker 1: at them, like a terrible taste, even if they don't
Speaker 1: need a dog in their commercials. Aid to Hollywood and
Speaker 1: Vine to be discovered, she's a beautiful counter just just
Speaker 1: but also, um, we should take her to Melrose sometime
Speaker 1: and do a Instagram dog shoot with her. I would
Speaker 1: love for her to be a late in life dog.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is that she should be like, you know,
Speaker 1: the equivalent of an advanced She can be like our
Speaker 1: pod dog. Okay, so, but we would love to hear
Speaker 1: from you. If you live in any place that is
Speaker 1: not New York or l A, or have had any
Speaker 1: fun encounters with a film shoot um off the beaten path.
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