1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wika FP Daily with 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording Not So Live from 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Bunker, Folks, I want to talk about a 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: couple of things that struck me that were in the news. First, 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was deposed this week for four and a 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: half hours at Trump Tower, where there is a lawsuit 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: pending of former protesters who were roughed up, physically roughed 8 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: up and injured by Trump's bodyguards at a rally in 9 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. What is interesting about this, other than Donald 10 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: Trump's Donald Trump's continued deflection and continue to hide behind 11 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: executive privilege, is the montage of videos that you can 12 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: see that show Donald Trump, in his own fucking words, 13 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: encouraging his bodyguards his crowds in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, 14 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen to rough up individuals and that he would 15 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: pay their legal fees to physically harm beat the hell 16 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: out of them. He said in what at one rally 17 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: the judge that was calling for his deposition allowed those 18 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: snippets to be played. Other reporters are saying, you know, 19 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: if it had been a more conservative judge, that that 20 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: probably would not have been entered, but I say, I'm 21 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: sorry why not? Because you see, Donald Trump wants all 22 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: of the privileges that come with the title of presidency, 23 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: but none of their responsibility. This is not news, But 24 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: the fact is is that the questions that I would 25 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: ask if I were a fucking attorney would be, when 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: you give an order, you expect people to follow it correct, 27 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: yes or no? And when people don't follow that order, 28 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: are they punished? And is that punishment firing? Yes or no? 29 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: Did you at this rally, this rally, this rally, this rally, 30 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: and this rally call for disruptors to be physically harmed? 31 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: Yes or no? Roll the tape? Is this you? Yes? 32 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: It is? Did you call for the people who are 33 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: disrupting your rally by protesting in it to be roughed up? 34 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: What was your intent behind that? When you spoke before 35 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: the Suffolk County Police officers on Long Island and you 36 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: told them to rough up criminals? What was that about? Like? 37 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: There are so many fucking instances of Donald Trump calling 38 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: for a violence and celebrating violence that how any judge 39 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: would not allow him, in his own words, over the 40 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: past five fucking years, to be evidence in a trial 41 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: where people have been abused by his underlings is ridiculous 42 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: to me, and just goes to show you once again 43 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: how wealthy, white and well connected powerful men get to 44 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: skirt the law and how we have to work overtime 45 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: right to make sure that all the teas are crossed 46 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: and all the eyes are dotted, because God forbid we 47 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: were to treat Donald Trump the way that we treat 48 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: black and brown, low income people in our criminal justice system. 49 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm just so fucking sick and tired. It's just every 50 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: day you see the ways in which if you don't 51 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: have money, and you are not white, and you are 52 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: not male, you don't fucking matter. And I'm sick of it, 53 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: sick of it, and I'm like, why isn't everybody else? 54 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: The other thing happening this week will be a couple 55 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: of things. There'll be the vote in the Senate to 56 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: put folks on the record for a piece of voting 57 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: rights legislation, which has fifty votes, all the fifty Democrats, 58 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: but does not have the fucking sixty that is needed 59 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: to skirt the fillibuster. But you still have Joe Manchin 60 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: and Kirsten's Cinema because of their own personal greed and 61 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: fucking disgusting nature to not give a fuck. So voting 62 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: rights is up for it's probably final vote this week 63 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: to see whether or not our democracy has it gets 64 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: its final nail in the coffin, because there's no more 65 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: skirting around this, and there have been so many stories 66 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: that have been done, and I got to tell you 67 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: that this current administration, with all their fucking you know, 68 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: robust agenda, doesn't matter at all unless you can win 69 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: an election, unless the elections are free and are fair, 70 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: none of those things are true. And so under a 71 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: democratic Congress and a democratic executive branch, we are watching 72 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: our democracy be eroded by their fucking apathy. Right. They're 73 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: fucking like wedded to bullshit Senate procedures as opposed to 74 00:05:49,880 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: being wedded to uplifting the voices of the people. Every day, 75 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: every fucking day, every week is just another week of disappointment. 76 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to be writing a piece soon on you know, 77 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: what my thoughts are as we come to the year 78 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: mark of the twenty twenty election and the questions being asked, 79 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, about what people think about Biden's performance, And 80 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to frankly tell you that outside of the 81 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: vaccine rollouts. I think it's fucking paltry at best. And 82 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: everybody can come for me and tell me, well, you know, 83 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: they're facing so many different things and blah blah, Yeah 84 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: they are. Absolutely. I would never have run for president 85 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: at all, right, because I'm like, nah, y'all are on 86 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: your own. But the thing is is that they signed 87 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: up for this willingly, knowing exactly what the fuck they 88 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: were going to be walking into, or having some idea, 89 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: even though I'm sure it was worse than their worst nightmares. 90 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: But the lack of aggression, this fucking sing songy kumbayashit 91 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: that they still want to practice with Republicans, the fact 92 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: that there is no sense of urgency, there is no 93 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: ringing of the alarm, there is no ringing of fucking 94 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: necks of these two fucking supposed democrats that are double 95 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: handedly strangling our democracy to death the way that Chauvin 96 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: did fucking George Floyd. They they have their knees on 97 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: the neck of our democracy. And right now the Biden 98 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: administration is acting like those other fucking officers and just 99 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: standing by. We don't have time to continue with this. 100 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: Oh they'll come together, Oh there are reasonable Republicans, motherfucker, No, 101 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: there are not. Even the two that are on the 102 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:07,119 Speaker 1: one six commission voted against voting rights. The collision course 103 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: that we are on with authoritarianism and fascism is really 104 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: fucking wild. And what's worse is that some days I 105 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: really wish that I didn't know. Some days I do 106 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: believe that ignorance would be bliss to just pretend that 107 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, all is well and none of this really matters, 108 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: and just go on with my day to day life. 109 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: Except I feel like I'm living on a countdown clock 110 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: that every day we just lose more and more time, 111 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: and we're going to be thrust soon into our dystopian present, 112 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: and then we'll be able to absolutely pinpoint and pin 113 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: the tail on the Democrat that fucked us. The last 114 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: thing that I will say is that, you know what 115 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: else gets me is this saying that I want to die, 116 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: This saying that, oh, but history will remember them. They 117 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: are actively eracing history as we speak. They have politicized 118 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: our history. They are whitewashing our history, they are criminalizing 119 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: our history. So no history won't remember them, because history 120 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: is about who gets to write the story. And right 121 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: now Republicans are the only one holding the fucking pen. 122 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: Coming up next is my conversation with our friend, the 123 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: author of Big Dirty Money, Jennifer Tobb is back with 124 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: us to talk about the Pandora Papers, financial crimes, and 125 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: whether or not white collar criminals will ever be held accountable. Folks, 126 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: I am so happy to welcome back to the show 127 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: my friend and author of the book Big Dirty Money, 128 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: The shocking injustice and unseen cost of white collar Crime, 129 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: Jennifer tub Jen. Let's just say that billionaires have been 130 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: in the press for their wrongdoing like non stop over 131 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: the past several weeks. Every headline from you know billionaires 132 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: headed into add a space with all of you know, 133 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: the tax dollars that the tax wealth that's supposed to 134 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: trickle down to the rest of us, to the Pandora Papers, 135 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: which showed how folks within exorbitant wealth are able to 136 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: shelter their money, to the fact that you know, we 137 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: haven't seen not one Trump accolyte in a jumpsuit as 138 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: of now, and we are ten months past a coup 139 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: and attempted coup to overthrow our government. I don't even 140 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: know where to begin, but I want to start with 141 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: your thoughts around the Pandora Papers and what it illuminates 142 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: to the rest of us about capitalism, about what wealthy 143 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 1: people are privy to and protected by, and what the 144 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: wealth the rest of us just have to suffer through. 145 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: So I'm so glad you're talking about this because the 146 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: Pandora Papers, which is which were which is a project 147 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: of released by the same group that a year ago 148 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: had worked on something. So this is a consortium of 149 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and they're working with 150 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty media organizations worldwide to expose what's 151 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,479 Speaker 1: going on across the globe so that billionaires and business 152 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: and in government what they're doing to shelter, to hide 153 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: their wealth and to grow richer while the rest of us, 154 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, continue to decline. And I what's what's the 155 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: most disturbing about this is how little attention it is writing. Yes, right, 156 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean it's such an ambitious title, you know, the 157 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: Pandora Papers. It kind of reminds us it's kind of 158 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: an echo of last year. And I'm forgetting what the 159 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: release was last year before it had been the Panama 160 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: Papers last year. I'm forgetting what the name of the 161 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: Finnsen release, and now we have the Pandora papers. All 162 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: this is meant to echo the Pentagon papers, right, But 163 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: the Pentagon papers from way back during the Vietnam War 164 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: was all over the news. It really changed the public's 165 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: perception of whether this was a just war to continue. 166 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: But with the Pandora papers, it's kind of like silence. 167 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I know people I spoke to who said, oh, surprise, surprise, 168 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: now we know the wealthy hide their assets and don't 169 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: pay taxes, Like it's just we're supposed to just accept it, right, 170 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: it shouldn't. And I think, to me, I'm not actually 171 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: shocked that it's not getting that much attention. What I 172 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: found most shocking about this is how we continue to 173 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: talk about assets being sheltered offshore when it turns out 174 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: South Dakota who knew literally they said that, and they said, 175 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: offshore just now means not of the country of your origin. Right, 176 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: is that you can place your money in these places. 177 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: And the term came to be because it used to 178 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: be places like the islands like the Caymans that had 179 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: weaker kind of financial laws in place, and so you 180 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: can harbor your money there. But we learned through this 181 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: discovery through this investigation that we're talking about places like Delaware, 182 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: We're talking about South Dakota, we're talking about Nevada. Right, 183 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: So this idea of offshore really isn't that. I mean, 184 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: it's shocking. You know. I've been to South Dakota and 185 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: it's you know, I grew up in the Midwest. I 186 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: like the plane state. South Dakota is a charming place. 187 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: I spent a summer working on in Indian reservation in 188 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: South Dakota. I went to the Corn Palace, Like I 189 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: am the most shocked and surprise. And I know it's 190 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: been written about before, but it really hit me over 191 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: the head. How there is six three hundred and sixty 192 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: billion dollars in these kinds of trusts? Are you hear me? 193 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Three hundred and sixty billion with a B in South 194 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: Dakota and this is international clients from fifty four countries. Wow? Again, 195 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: tax Haven's I think of sun I think of islands. 196 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: I do not think of a landlocked state Aratha that 197 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: can be twenty below with windshow. But I mean the 198 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: point here is, you know it's called the Door of Papers, 199 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: and you know the story of Pandora's Box. You know, 200 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: it's supposed to open it because all this stuff comes 201 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: out and then now the world is it's kind of 202 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: like a Garden of Eden story, and now there's all 203 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: kinds of disaster. But obviously, you know, I don't think 204 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: that that's what these papers are going to do, obviously, 205 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: and I don't even think the I think the real, 206 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: the real Pandora's box here is the fact that we 207 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: cannot now contain what we have done as a nation 208 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: and as a globe in terms of multi billionaires getting 209 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: so much wealthier than the rest of us and having 210 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: all the power to shape the laws across the globe 211 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: so they don't really have to pay taxes on their wealth, 212 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: and that they can also engage in illegal behavior, you know, 213 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: And it's how is it? Can we can we talk 214 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: about this for a moment though, because you know, wealth 215 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: has changed over just my lifetime, right, Like what we 216 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: used to consider as rich, now we have a whole 217 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: other grouping of uber rich, right, And how is it 218 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: that people during this time when millions of Americans lost 219 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: their job due to the pandemic, when we saw economies 220 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: grind to a halt, that billionaires got richer and millionaires 221 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: turned into billionaires during this time. How does that happen? 222 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: And we don't and we don't look at the overarching 223 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: picture and say, we have failed infrastructure in this country, 224 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: not because of you and I who are paying our taxes, right, 225 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: and the government wants to tell us, well, that's not 226 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: enough money. But then you have people that are moving 227 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: up the economic ladder from millionaires to billionaires with such ease. 228 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: You know, you know, I there's an partial answer to 229 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: the question. Is the same thing that we've talked about 230 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: that you know, the gains on the gains you can 231 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: make on capital, on investment, wealth will always exceed income growth, right, 232 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: And this is from the book you know, Capitalism in 233 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: the twenty first century. But we but we we know this. 234 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: You know. The numbers though still shock me. So the 235 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: billionaires in the US alone, these numbers are unbelievable. During 236 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: the pandemic, their wealth increased by one point eight trillion dollars, 237 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: you know, and globally, globally billionaires gained five point five trillion. 238 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: And if you just I mean, if you just look 239 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: at some of the numbers, I don't know if I 240 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: have this number right, but I remember, if you look 241 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: at just Jeff Bezos alone. I think he gained if 242 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: I remember correctly, and I'm just going to check it 243 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: right now, I think he gained gained seventy Yes, I'm right, 244 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: seventy billion dollars during the pandemic. That's just beso salon. 245 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just disgusted, right Like, And why do 246 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: you think that we don't have collective outrage? Is it 247 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: because we as Americans regard wealth in such high esteem 248 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: and that we are so you know, dazzled by celebrity 249 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: culture and wealth culture, that it's okay for us to 250 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: shrug it off because in our minds we're like, well, 251 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: we would do the same thing if we were them, 252 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: and so we're not making the connection as to how 253 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: it is hurting us, right, I guess there's so there's 254 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: two things, three things I would say. One, there's, um, 255 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: I think the notion that even even if under existing 256 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: law that wealth is gained, you know, legitimately, I think 257 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: I have you know, many of us have a problem, 258 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: um you know, going back to the Brandisi an idea 259 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: that you can either have a democracy, you know, or 260 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: you can have you know, a super wealthy class, but 261 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: you can't have both, right, I think also though some 262 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: of that wealth is gained not lawfully. I'm not speaking 263 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: to bezos, I'm speaking generally either some of it's gained 264 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: by you know, union busting or things other ways, or 265 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: actual actually illicit activity, right. So I think people have 266 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: trouble with that as well. But I think the last 267 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: piece that's a lot more complicated is the notion that 268 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: there is a lot of mistrust in what if you're 269 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: talking about taxing is a form of you know, a 270 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: wealth tax or what have you, which makes a lot 271 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: of sense, you know, Elizabeth Warrens, you know, just two 272 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: cents to have a certain amount, right, that makes a 273 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: lot of sense, except for people wonder, well, what is 274 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: the government going to do with that those tax dollars? Right? 275 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: It's a distributional access at distributional factors. Once the federal 276 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: government has that money, you know, if are they going 277 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: to distribute it to the states? Are they? You know, 278 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of the things that people, I think 279 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: worry about, and the more people lose confidence in the government, 280 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: I think that's why they'll say they think things like, well, 281 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, Elon Musk, another one of the billionaires, maybe 282 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of issues you know that we 283 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: see all over the place. But at least the Rocketsy, 284 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, puts up in the air come down, or 285 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: there's there's a way that I think, and I think 286 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: a lot of them mistrust. I think you know, and 287 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of them mistrust is wrong, right. 288 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: I think we should trust, we can, we should be 289 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: able to trust the government officials we elect. But at 290 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: the same time that you and I are saying, oh 291 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: my goodness, the whole system, there's voter suppression, there's money 292 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: and politics. We're trying to fix it to that the 293 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: people who are elected actually represent us, even while we 294 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: know a lot of them aren't looking at our interests. Right, 295 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: So we're kind of talking out of both sides of 296 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: our mouth. On the one hand, we want more taxes 297 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: to make things more cool. On the other hand, we don't. 298 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: You and I don't fully trust the people who are 299 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: elected in office. I know that, and you know that. 300 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: But that that is such. That is such a valid 301 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: point because if I'm relying on the same people who 302 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: created tax policy to only benefit a certain class and 303 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: then punish another, then I'm asking those same people and 304 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: assuming that if I give you more money, you're now 305 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: going to do right by it. In my response to 306 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: that would be, on the other hand, we have, you know, 307 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: the government needs to employ even more people. Right our 308 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: post office is slow. The government can also distribute funds 309 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: to the states so they can pay for higher education 310 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: and there's less student that. There's a lot that just 311 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: having the money. Infrastructure. Our bridges are crumbling, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 312 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: There's a lot hey, oh sorry, you know, um trying 313 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: to develop industry, so we don't, you know, kill the planet. 314 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: I think even if you and I both agree that 315 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: we don't fully trust the folks who may you know, 316 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: funnel the money to the good stuff, we think starving 317 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: the federal government starting the states is going to be 318 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: far worse. Right so so, but I think it takes 319 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're not gonna have this honest conversation 320 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: because I think some of you just have to think 321 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: logically about what is the alternative. And I don't like 322 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: the status quo right now, and I really think we 323 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: need a wealth tax, and we of course need to 324 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: close a lot of the loopholes that are in the 325 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: tax system, and a lot of where we need to look, 326 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: is this really important work that these journalists across the 327 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: country are doing to shine a light on all of this. 328 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: But you're in your mind, do you believe that we 329 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: are still living inside of a democracy? Because this is 330 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: something that I have been honestly grappling with and writing 331 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: about and talking about, you know, since before Trump came 332 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: into office, because even the idea of a person like 333 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: him being able to ascend shows me that our democracy 334 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: is broken. And you know, oftentimes when I say things 335 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: on this show, the criminal justice system is broken, I've 336 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: decided to shift that and I'm like, no, it's not broken. 337 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: It's actually working exactly how it was meant to work, right. 338 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: It's punishing those that they have believed don't deserve second chances, 339 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: don't deserve lesser sentencing, and are not rehabable whatever. And 340 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: I wonder, like I have you know, I had one 341 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: of our one of our other friends watch a hot 342 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: on this show, you know, last week, and I was 343 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: just like, our is our democracy? Do you still think 344 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: it's it's functioning? And he's like, yeah, I don't think so. 345 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm going to do this like thing, 346 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: which is like, uh, did it you know, were there 347 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: times when it functioned better than other times. And you know, 348 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: to me, democracy has always been aspirational. I think things 349 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: are really in trouble right now. Let me just yea, yeah, yeah, right, 350 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: But we can you know, we can talk about democracy, 351 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't need to tell you you know, 352 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: when this nation was founded, that was aspirational only for 353 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: some group of people, right, okay? And so have we 354 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: ever had you know, you know, we can talk about 355 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, you know, what did the fourteenth Amendment mean? 356 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Didn't mean anything until the Voting Rights Act happened? What about? 357 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: You know, was there a golden age? I'm trying to 358 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: figure out, you know, was there a moment when we thought, 359 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, was it like you know, when Barack Obama 360 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: was elected? We didn't think everything was fixed then, right, 361 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: you know? In other words, I don't I'm trying to 362 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: find this moment where things were perfect and they weren't. 363 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: But the problem now is things are broken and there's 364 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: an aggressive attempt to roll back voting rights, civil rights 365 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,239 Speaker 1: all you know that is happening, abortion rights. We're watching this. 366 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: There's so much money in politics. The Republican Party is 367 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: willing to stand behind an insurrectionist who's still claiming he 368 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: won the election. I mean, a lot is really broken. 369 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: I think this is a really dangerous time. Right. This 370 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: reminds me of like what you hear about before the 371 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: Civil War. I mean, this is really a dangerous time. 372 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: But to be you know, democracy can't Democracy itself can 373 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: never be broken because it's an ideal. And the question 374 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: is can be sit down and talk about the ideal 375 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: and talk about how far we are ideal? Right? There's 376 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: all you know. And for also a point of view, 377 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: for you or me, it really feels like democracy is 378 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: broken now. But for somebody who's struggling just to get by, 379 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: it looks just as broken as it always did their 380 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: whole life, you know what I mean? Yeah, I do, 381 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: Because you know, there is the beauty that I've always 382 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: said that lies in the promise of America, is in 383 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: its aspiration. Right, people come here because that we don't 384 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: have a system, or at one time we didn't have 385 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: a system where you were locked into a cast. Right 386 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: that there, the beauty of America is embedded in its possibility. 387 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: But when possibility of economic mobility is eroded, right, and 388 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: we're seeing that, I mean I think I saw a 389 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: report the other day where it's like eleven million people 390 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: have opted out of the workforce because they're like, yeah, 391 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: these are slave wages. I don't have any health benefits, 392 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: Like it's my mental health is taxed, right, I'm treated 393 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: like trash, So I'm just going to opt out. I 394 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: talk to you know, a gen Zer recently, and they're like, 395 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, their generation is bucking against capitalism as a whole. 396 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: They're like, it doesn't work, right, Like, it doesn't, it doesn't. 397 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't work for us, Like look, how look how 398 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: wide the gap is. And so when I you know, 399 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: and I take all of these things in, it's just like, 400 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: what I think is most eroded right now is possibility, 401 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: is hopefulness, And if that's the cornerstone of a healthy democracy, 402 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: on top of being able to you know, vote, then 403 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how you rectify that. I don't know 404 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: how you. I don't know how you then tap into 405 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: our government and our agencies when our politicians are showing 406 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: themselves to be extraordinarily selfish in ways that I don't 407 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: I have never seen, you know, um, because there's so 408 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: many of them and it's so obvious, and so I 409 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: just wonder like, I wonder about your thoughts around the 410 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: possibility of America and what it what it promised. We 411 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: know that the promise doesn't match the reality, but the 412 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: possibility is what keeps people wanting to actually come here. 413 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: You know. This is so I'm so glad you talked 414 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: about possibility. And also you're mentioning like the labor force, 415 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: because I was can get some of that this morning, 416 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, here's the deep irony, which is, 417 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: you know, if COVID changes everything, right, we're in the 418 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: still limits of this pandemic. But the first work in 419 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: this almost the second year of it, and what people 420 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: did learn is relationships matter, like we need each other. 421 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: I think people were and at some people you know, 422 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: you had to be on the front lines in some way, 423 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: and how did that feel exploitative? And yeah, people who 424 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: are who don't want to go back into low wage 425 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: service jobs. And it's part has to do with the 426 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: fact that the wages, you know, they won't pay for 427 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: childcare even if your kid is at school. Now people 428 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: need to be home with their kids more than ever 429 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: when they've had learning loss, emotional issues. Right, But jobs, 430 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: in addition to not paying enough, they also those kinds 431 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: of jobs. You don't have certainty around what your hours 432 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: are and if you're going to take a job, and 433 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of backwards in terms of supplying demand. If 434 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: there's a huge demand for wait staff or for other 435 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: service jobs, if you take a job like that, you're 436 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: gonna have to work all the time, right, You're not 437 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: gonna look, you're not gonna have that much control. You're 438 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: gonna be overworked, underpaid, and stressed out. So people don't 439 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: want to go back into those jobs. Plus those jobs 440 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: the men of the pandemic hid everyone got fired right away, 441 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: so it's actually logical to think you don't want to 442 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: go into them. Also, how many years I mean this 443 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: thing about And it's mostly women parents generally, but mostly 444 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: women who don't want to take jobs because there's no 445 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: real childcare. And this is like a perfect match. If 446 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: the government funded decent childcare, that would create jobs for 447 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: some people, right, And you know, it just it just 448 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense that we can't figure these these things 449 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: out together. And I thought, you know, you're younger than me. 450 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm now in my fifties, and when I was, you know, 451 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: a teenager, I thought by the time I was a 452 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: work adult, there would be childcare options. I thought at 453 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: my own workplace, I believed that I would work in 454 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: a business and my kid would be down the hall, right. 455 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: I actually had to change my career around at some 456 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: point because I realized I needed to figure out what 457 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 1: kind of job I could have so I could be 458 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: physically around my kids. And I will tell you, because 459 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: I became an academic, that means I'm only in a 460 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: few days a week. I can work from home. I 461 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: work all the time. I mean, here it is, we're 462 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: talking right now. You know it's after hours for us. 463 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: But never happened. I'll tell you, I could never go 464 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: back to a job where I have to go into 465 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: a place every single day from nine to eight at 466 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: night or whatever. I don't have to do that, and 467 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm actually more productive than I've ever been in my life. 468 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: So I'm imagining all those people who a lot of 469 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: people left the physical workforce or they saw others who did, 470 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, I can keep my house clean, 471 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: I can make sure there's dinner on the table, I 472 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: can have a good relationship with my kids. And now 473 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: you want me go to back to something different. Why 474 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,239 Speaker 1: should people do that? Here's the part. Yeah he's here. 475 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: So here's the possibility instead of everyone you know saying 476 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: this is terrible. Now, no, you know, if we can't 477 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: staff the neveryone's buying stuff, and if we don't staff 478 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: the shipping yards and no one will get their stuff 479 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: on time? Like so what like what if we slow 480 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: that stuff down and built up our relationships? This is 481 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: this is the possibility of work life balance. It could 482 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: be a beautiful thing. And I consider, you know not, 483 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, I want people to be able to be 484 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: in the labor force in the ways they want to, 485 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: because I actually think having work and getting paid and 486 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: feeling valued are all good. But those jobs, you're expendable, 487 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: that's what people learned, and why should they take them 488 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: if they don't pay their rent? You know? So I 489 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: mean to me, I see it as a I see 490 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: this is like a rebellion, and I wish that the 491 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: markets understood that people don't want to go back to 492 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: the way it used to pay. And that's what I 493 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: think is that I want. But I want it to 494 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: be an actualized rebellion. I want it to be a 495 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: revolution of the workers rising up right, you know, from 496 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: service to everywhere you shouldn't have to work in conditions 497 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: that are unsuitable for your mental health, your physical well being, 498 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: your ability to take care of your kids. Like no 499 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: one should work forty hours a week and not be 500 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: able to afford a mortgage or their rent at the 501 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: end of the month. Like that, that is that is outrageous, 502 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: right that you can work that much and still at 503 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: the end need to get another job or figure out 504 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: what kind of you know, three card Monty, you're going 505 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: to play with your utilities, your food, your medicine. You know, 506 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: and what happened? I mean, cardis jump in because I'm 507 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: so excited about the Please going to where my brain 508 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: is going. Okay, we started talking about kind of like 509 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: tax evasion. It's my view that if you are not 510 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: earning whatever the a dollar amount is in your state 511 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: or your area that could pay for a two bedroom apartment, food, 512 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: health insurance, and a certain amount of you know, um, 513 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: disposable income because that supports the local economy, you should 514 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: whatever the hourly wage is, you should have no money 515 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: deducted from your paycheck period. I don't think you know 516 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: later you can get the tax deduction. That's bullshit. That's 517 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: after the fact. People need money in their pockets now, 518 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean, whatever that number is, is it set you 519 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: know right now? That what is it? Like what I 520 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: think if you don't make seventy five thousand dollars a 521 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: year as at certain places as a couple or whatever 522 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, yeah, you should not have any So 523 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars a year and a paycheck would 524 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: be Is that like thirty Is that like thirty four dollars? 525 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: I think that's wrong. It's about a little under forty 526 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: dollars an hour at a certain hourly wage. No taxes, no, no, 527 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: there should be no no money taking your pycheck out 528 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: of your paycheck period. Why are you making people pay 529 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: taxes when they can't pay their own pay for their 530 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: own stuff like this, this would stimulate local economies. I mean, 531 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't understand why we do that. Income tax should 532 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: not be for someone who does not earn enough hourly 533 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: wage to you know again, pay their rent, pay for 534 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: their food, pay for their medicine, and pay for things 535 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: in their community and gas, books, clothing. They shouldn't pay 536 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: any taxes. That is it for me today, Folks on 537 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: woke a f as always power to the people and 538 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: to all the people power, get woke, and stay woke 539 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,479 Speaker 1: as fuck.