Speaker 1: A warning. This episode contains language and depictions of violence
Speaker 1: that may be disturbing to some listeners. I wanted you
Speaker 1: to know that I put in a foyer request for
Speaker 1: your nineteen eighty nine case. Can I send you the
Speaker 1: stuff that I got? Yeah, I'm talking to Keith Lamar
Speaker 1: about his nineteen eighty nine case, the one he pled
Speaker 1: guilty to involving the shooting death of his childhood friend
Speaker 1: Kenyata Collins, the case that sent him to prison in
Speaker 1: the first place. What kind of stuff they sent me
Speaker 1: the police reports? This story is ever evolving, and this
Speaker 1: episode is going to be unlike any of the others
Speaker 1: so far. What you're about to hear is a raw
Speaker 1: conversation between me and Keith. There are some witness statements
Speaker 1: and yeah, just some stuff that I would like to
Speaker 1: ask you about because they said things that were different
Speaker 1: than what you said. Yeah, Yeah, I love I love Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've never really actually seen to believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Things are about to get very real. Oh can I
Speaker 1: lose you? No, I'm right here. I'm Leah Rothman. This
Speaker 1: is the Real Killer, Episode six. This is my life.
Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm well? How are you? I'm
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, good good, Um, Well should we chat?
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. My nervous laugh gives me away. It's been
Speaker 1: five days since I sent Keith the police reports and
Speaker 1: crime scene photos. In order to get the reports, I
Speaker 1: submitted a FOIA request, which is a Freedom of Information
Speaker 1: Act request, to the City of Cleveland's Public Records department.
Speaker 1: When it comes in, I assume I'm going to read
Speaker 1: a version of events that matches what Keith told me
Speaker 1: in a previous episode that he shot Kenyatta Collins during
Speaker 1: what seemed to be a robbery at the apartment where
Speaker 1: he was dealing drugs. Remember, Keith was shot twice two
Speaker 1: but the police report says something different. So I struggle.
Speaker 1: I struggle with whether or not to bring it up
Speaker 1: to Keith. I keep asking myself, does what happened in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine have any real bearing on what he
Speaker 1: was accused of doing during the uprising? I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't allowed in at Keith's nineteen ninety five trial because
Speaker 1: it was a prior offense. So I waver on whether
Speaker 1: to go there. It really comes down to an issue
Speaker 1: of truthfulness. Although Keith has admitted and pled guilty to
Speaker 1: killing Kenyatta Collins. Why would a story be different than
Speaker 1: what was in the police reports. Not that I can
Speaker 1: always believe what I read in police reports, because as
Speaker 1: we all know, law enforcement gets things wrong a lot
Speaker 1: of the time, especially when it comes to black men. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I decide I'm going to ask him about it. But
Speaker 1: before our call, Keith emails me and brings up something
Speaker 1: that's on the second page of the report. It looks
Speaker 1: like a photocopy of a post it with Seth Tiger's
Speaker 1: name on it. Seth Tiger is one of the two
Speaker 1: prosecutors who tried Keith's case for the state. Keith wonders
Speaker 1: if I had actually gotten the reports from Seth Tiger.
Speaker 1: I addressed that right off the bat. Okay, so, first
Speaker 1: of all, I did not get the reports that nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine police reports from Stuff Tieker. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: fact that his name was only I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: an uncustomary that they would request that information. But I
Speaker 1: think it was that information. I mean, I've said it
Speaker 1: all wrong that they looked at my record would use
Speaker 1: my record as leverage to get me to cop out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's taken by itself. It's it's dammy,
Speaker 1: but I have a sad away for you know, when
Speaker 1: we spoke last week, you're intimated that what you said,
Speaker 1: obviously it's different from what you said back to that,
Speaker 1: and that implies something different about you intended. But it's
Speaker 1: not different from what I've last I've admitted some details
Speaker 1: because it involves other people, but the admissions are not
Speaker 1: like to deceive or to you know, mitigate what happened.
Speaker 1: I I get it to murder anything that happened before
Speaker 1: after Dan, you know, Carolyn comparison. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I killed somebody. I admit that. So you know, whatever
Speaker 1: questions that you have will respect to that. I try
Speaker 1: to answer them, and I hope you understand that I'm
Speaker 1: not There's no sort of like gotcha. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to prove anything or I put in the foyer request
Speaker 1: because that's just what you do as a journalist, right
Speaker 1: you just I don't think I don't think. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off, but I don't
Speaker 1: think you it was a got to. If that was
Speaker 1: the case, you wouldn't to sit in the information before
Speaker 1: you questioned me about it. So I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: thinking alone those lines. I'm just trying to speaking to
Speaker 1: the the vacuum, you know, try to you know, ask
Speaker 1: some uh, some detail to what was omitted from my
Speaker 1: you know, from and and ask you you know, give
Speaker 1: you some kind of read some justification why I don't
Speaker 1: talk about those things in depth, like you on in
Speaker 1: the report that you know, the person who saw shot
Speaker 1: me wasn't Jamaican. But I said that because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to tell on that person. That makes sound strange
Speaker 1: to some somebody again that live in your world, but
Speaker 1: in the world I grew up, and you don't do
Speaker 1: that even if somebody has tried to take your life.
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying that that just gives you some
Speaker 1: kind of indication of how steaked I was in that,
Speaker 1: you know, in that in that world and so and
Speaker 1: when I was in the same similar situation within this
Speaker 1: Weaver I said I was asleep. I wasn't asleep. I
Speaker 1: saw the whole thing. Remember Dennis Weaver as the man
Speaker 1: who was murdered in that K Block cell on the
Speaker 1: third day of the uprising. Keith is accused of calling
Speaker 1: for Weaver's murder. But again, I didn't want to be involved,
Speaker 1: because that's how you know, I've been able to stay
Speaker 1: alive in this world that I've been living in. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard for people to understand that. So
Speaker 1: they take the fact that I said I was asleep
Speaker 1: that the mean that I had some culpability in his death.
Speaker 1: And if I did, I would have bed guilty. That's
Speaker 1: what my records suggests. I'm an admitted criminal, a murderer, thief,
Speaker 1: drug dealer, So you know, I you know, I was
Speaker 1: fucked up. I was a fucked up place. There's no
Speaker 1: way really around that there. You know, it's a debate
Speaker 1: on or right now whether a lot jay Z was
Speaker 1: actually a drug dealer, you know, you know, and actually
Speaker 1: you know experience, you know some of the things that
Speaker 1: he rap about. I don't know if you hit to
Speaker 1: him in his music, but you know he talked a
Speaker 1: lot about drugs, a lot about you know, the mentality
Speaker 1: you got you have to have in order to be
Speaker 1: a successful drug dealer, you know, and you know, all
Speaker 1: that is violence. But I don't think a lot of
Speaker 1: people fully understand, you know, what that really really is.
Speaker 1: And then when you have my record and you put
Speaker 1: that in front of people, horrified but I said, but
Speaker 1: this is what you're wrapping too, this is what you
Speaker 1: rathering around, you know, bopping your here too. This is it,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's hard to kind to give people
Speaker 1: depend to understand that. And so you know, I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I was I didn't take offense to uh you, you know,
Speaker 1: making me aware of my record. You know it's my record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And again, just to be clear, it was just that
Speaker 1: you had told me what happened and it didn't seem
Speaker 1: to be the same. And I think what is the
Speaker 1: more important conversation is this. I don't give two shits
Speaker 1: about the details of what happened in eighty nine. I don't.
Speaker 1: I just you know, I just had to ask, and
Speaker 1: I wanted you to. I wanted you to be able
Speaker 1: to read it. I wanted, I know, and I wanted
Speaker 1: you to be able to read it. And it was
Speaker 1: just something that I got God and I had to
Speaker 1: ask about. It's not totally irrelevant. I mean, it's some
Speaker 1: you know, because the implication by showing people that report
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, if you the prosecutor, if they say, well,
Speaker 1: look at this, that he did this, so we should
Speaker 1: assume that he did this thing and so the basis
Speaker 1: for forming that and just you know, to look at
Speaker 1: the parallels. He killed somebody here, he killed somebody here.
Speaker 1: But it's the nuance or the devils in the details,
Speaker 1: as they say, I'm not interested in. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse my language, but they're shitting on somebody's
Speaker 1: grave and y'all is dead. But he was. He wasn't
Speaker 1: an angel, you It was things that happened prior to
Speaker 1: you know that that that Pacific night, you know that,
Speaker 1: you know, put him in that posture, me and him,
Speaker 1: he and I. So he did bar his way into
Speaker 1: the um to the apartment, and one of his friends
Speaker 1: or his cousin, I can't recall who exactly who that was,
Speaker 1: um said that he came in and said, I know
Speaker 1: that motherfucker's in here, or something like that, something to
Speaker 1: that degree. But you know, this this thing that happened
Speaker 1: between that, it was ongoing thing. They robbed me. I
Speaker 1: shotted at them a couple of times a couple of
Speaker 1: days after that. I mean, this is all leading up
Speaker 1: to the event that happened that night. It wasn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, we were just sitting there and I just
Speaker 1: opened fired on this with this person. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You know, I don't know if you ever
Speaker 1: had a gun pointing to your head. You know, that
Speaker 1: happened to me several times. An environment that I lived in,
Speaker 1: and yet I've remained in that environment. So in order
Speaker 1: to you know, exist in that world, I had to
Speaker 1: become part of that environment. So it was King YadA,
Speaker 1: So was everybody else. Who were you know, in that apartment.
Speaker 1: That didn't happened. We weren't. We weren't sitting around in
Speaker 1: church at Bible stuffy. We was in a drug band
Speaker 1: in a drug crime infested neighborhood. That's what that happened.
Speaker 1: So context is important. It's important. Now I don't shot away,
Speaker 1: and you say it's different from you know what I
Speaker 1: told you? You know what I mean in what way?
Speaker 1: I mean the way that it's presented in the police reports,
Speaker 1: which again I'm just stating. When it says in the
Speaker 1: police reports, it's says that you guys were all getting
Speaker 1: high and then and Kenyada was sitting I think, like
Speaker 1: on the edge of a sofa something sofa. You pointed
Speaker 1: the gun out the window, shot it out the window.
Speaker 1: They're like, what are you doing? And then the next thing,
Speaker 1: they know, you shoot Kenyada and say this is for
Speaker 1: raping my sister or something to that of that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just going off of what I read.
Speaker 1: I absolutely it's only why And you know what, I
Speaker 1: gotta say this, it really has nothing to do I
Speaker 1: think the reason I wanted to ask you about it
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with other what other people said.
Speaker 1: It had to do with what you told police, right,
Speaker 1: because it's just like what you told Yeah, what you
Speaker 1: told police, which is different than what you shared with me.
Speaker 1: That's I would high most days that environment, that life
Speaker 1: that I was living. You had to be high. You
Speaker 1: had to be in a different mind state in order
Speaker 1: to even do the things that you did, because everything
Speaker 1: that you do that you are doing is humanizing everything.
Speaker 1: One of the sad things about you know, coming up
Speaker 1: to the way that I did. You know that you
Speaker 1: get lost and the prison that I was in is
Speaker 1: way worse than the prison that I came to being
Speaker 1: trapped around that. You know, that arbitrary violence, Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's deeply credited and recognition of what I allowed myself
Speaker 1: to become. And see that's the thing about you know,
Speaker 1: this country, you know, and especially as it relates to
Speaker 1: black people. You know, it's like, we don't get a
Speaker 1: second chance. I mean, you know, all these things that
Speaker 1: we're talking about right now happened when I was eighteen
Speaker 1: years old. I'm fifty three, and you say it don't matter,
Speaker 1: but they do matter. People who are deciding whether or
Speaker 1: not they're going to support me or not they cross over.
Speaker 1: All the stuff that I'm doing with the project, with
Speaker 1: the music are the engagement that I'm having. Over the
Speaker 1: last several years, Keith has launched a literacy program, cut
Speaker 1: an album with a group of world renowned jazz musicians,
Speaker 1: written a book, and been a guest speaker in many
Speaker 1: high school and college classes. We're going to talk a
Speaker 1: lot more about all this in a later episode. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't have any illusions about my chances in terms
Speaker 1: of getting my life back, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, this is about more than that. For me.
Speaker 1: You know, my whole life now is to kind of
Speaker 1: repair or rescue my potential from that misspent youth that
Speaker 1: you're reading about. That's what, you know, my life, to
Speaker 1: make something out of my life, not so some white person,
Speaker 1: that's the end of the day, can judge whether or
Speaker 1: not I'm worthy. When you say I don't care about
Speaker 1: the details, I really don't care about the details, because
Speaker 1: I understand them. No details that you don't care about.
Speaker 1: Other people will judge me for, but they only judge
Speaker 1: a part of the record, the worst part, and that's
Speaker 1: the part that you're stuck right there. That's all you
Speaker 1: can ever be, according to some people, you know, But
Speaker 1: I know, you know, you know that we are better
Speaker 1: than our worst mistakes. I know that about us as
Speaker 1: human being, and I can speak to those things not
Speaker 1: from a book, but from my experience. I got bullet bones,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw the pictures. You know that's my
Speaker 1: blood in that hallway. I mean, you know, I know
Speaker 1: we're doing a podcast. It's my life. I didn't shoot myself.
Speaker 1: I was going to shut out, So you know, those
Speaker 1: are the things that you know that are important too.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you want to have a conversation. Let's
Speaker 1: have a conversation. I continue my conversation with Keith about
Speaker 1: this nineteen eighty nine case and the police reports I
Speaker 1: recently received and shared with him. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: this because I promise you just the first time I've
Speaker 1: ever seen this you know what I mean. And even
Speaker 1: though you know the details are somewhat different than how
Speaker 1: I describe, but you understand that I'm admitting certain things
Speaker 1: because other people were involved. Nobody ever would you know
Speaker 1: what was punished for shooting me? Okay, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I put myself in a dangerous situation and something, you know,
Speaker 1: some harm was done to me. That's my fault. So
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't tell the police who shot me.
Speaker 1: I put myself in that situation. That's how I feel
Speaker 1: about that. I feel the same way about guys who
Speaker 1: become informants in prison. Spitzers get killed in prison. Everybody
Speaker 1: know that. I don't think these people who were murdered
Speaker 1: during the riot were like, you know, had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with them deaths. They made the citizen about who
Speaker 1: and what they would do. Would they you know, with
Speaker 1: themselves as well? Right? I mean, that's how I look
Speaker 1: at it. By saying that they deserve to die, certainly
Speaker 1: not admitting for killing them. What I'm saying, they're not innocent.
Speaker 1: You had to back You became an informing an environment
Speaker 1: where where informants get killed, and they lost their lives.
Speaker 1: And then they offered me to becoming informed offered all
Speaker 1: of us that opportunity, and I passed, and for that
Speaker 1: I'm being punished. I've been on death road for almost
Speaker 1: three decades. When all I had to do was take
Speaker 1: the stand, allowing another individual or take a deal if
Speaker 1: I would guilty. I took the deal. You know, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Uh, you know, it's it's it's stuff.
Speaker 1: It's complicated, you know what I mean. You know, stuff
Speaker 1: is complicated, you know, but you know, I just don't
Speaker 1: like it being represented as if we were sitting in
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, picnic and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, or just walking into a church where people
Speaker 1: were praying and I just open fired on these people.
Speaker 1: Or that just walked into a grocery store where people
Speaker 1: were shopping, that just open fired on those people. I
Speaker 1: just walking to a school where people are learning and
Speaker 1: I just open fired on from keys, I was in
Speaker 1: the drug it set its crime with the area selling dope,
Speaker 1: selling poison. You have one minute remaining, so context is important. Yes,
Speaker 1: context is everything. Um, are you able to call back? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: Keith calls right back. For the record. My original plan
Speaker 1: was to ask Keith more specifically about how his story
Speaker 1: differs from the police report. But the more we talk,
Speaker 1: the more it seems irrelevant. Hello, Hi, Hi, okay, if
Speaker 1: there is anything more you'd like to ask me about
Speaker 1: what you read, you know, I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: I have any other questions. I've been in part of
Speaker 1: this criminal life story of my life or form or another.
Speaker 1: But I'm not naive. I'm not you know, some kind
Speaker 1: of you know, bumbling aniots who kind of stumbling into
Speaker 1: this day. I was in prison, I was in the celle,
Speaker 1: I was in the ride, but I didn't have anything
Speaker 1: to do with the ride, the planning over, the carrying
Speaker 1: out of it, had nothing to do with the take over,
Speaker 1: the prison, any of those things. But now here I am,
Speaker 1: thirty years later, still trying to explain, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what I did and didn't do, not only that
Speaker 1: I had to ask you something to happen when I
Speaker 1: was eighteen. It's like, God damn, talk about you know,
Speaker 1: justice from the criminal justices. It's just a criminal system.
Speaker 1: People make their own judgments and determined to you know,
Speaker 1: their craft is to sit their own prejudices and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's what self teething them did moving my trial, you know,
Speaker 1: to the Irons and Ohio people have never even seen
Speaker 1: black people and alone walked the mile in their shoes.
Speaker 1: I mean, he supposed to be tried in from the jury,
Speaker 1: your peers. I'm supposed to be able to sit in
Speaker 1: and tell people like listen, I was selling drugs and
Speaker 1: they understand like what that entails, and so then they
Speaker 1: can understand like, well we can sweet how you you know,
Speaker 1: you know he was this person if he was living
Speaker 1: in this world. Yeah, I know about that world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, you know that's what you had to come.
Speaker 1: So when I hear jay Z talk about this world,
Speaker 1: it's nuances and what he's saying, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's certain things and his lyrics that let me know
Speaker 1: that he was there. He was also admitted to shooting
Speaker 1: his brothers. Brothers took some of his jury from the
Speaker 1: brother was on drugs. Jay Z building that right now,
Speaker 1: jay Z shot him just based on that, just based
Speaker 1: on him shooting his brother over some jury. I know
Speaker 1: he had to shut people and then shoot people in
Speaker 1: dealing drugs. That's just par for the course. That's what
Speaker 1: being a drug really is. No. So, but that don't
Speaker 1: make you that, Don't that don't make you a mass murderer,
Speaker 1: a serial killer. I'm not a crusader like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to read the world of snitches. I didn't do that,
Speaker 1: so you know, I just was a convenient you know,
Speaker 1: uh stand in because of my record. It's my record,
Speaker 1: you know. So if I'm executed out you know the
Speaker 1: way I'm kind of squared into my mind. If I'm executed,
Speaker 1: it's for king y'all. Step. That's the only way I
Speaker 1: can really even settle it in my mind. So I've
Speaker 1: done thirty four years, even though I've made steps great
Speaker 1: steps to redeem myself. If I'm awesomely executed, that's what
Speaker 1: it would be for in my mind. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm all right with that. I just want to make
Speaker 1: that clear for the record, I wouldn't be talking to
Speaker 1: you when I think you were legit. And and by that,
Speaker 1: I don't mean that you you know, you know you
Speaker 1: you write something to do something that's in my favor.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to do that later. I think
Speaker 1: you're doing a good job. I mean, I'm saying why
Speaker 1: I think you're doing it. I'm like, damn, man, she
Speaker 1: really did it, you know what I mean? I never
Speaker 1: saw that report, you know what I mean, I never
Speaker 1: saw that report. But just imagine, Yeah, this lady everywhere
Speaker 1: what the fuck you know, I mean, all up in
Speaker 1: my business. You know, I don't remember, do your job.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, do your job. I think
Speaker 1: I admitted to murder, you know, you know looking at
Speaker 1: those pictures, my blood in the hallway. Man, I didn't
Speaker 1: sleep that night. I sleep. I remember, I remember the
Speaker 1: door and everything going through that door. That door, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, as a city three old man, I had
Speaker 1: to go through that door to change my life. You
Speaker 1: know all that, you know what I was learning. I
Speaker 1: had to go through all that. You know, I stat
Speaker 1: against me. Nobody's gonna give me a reward for surviving
Speaker 1: three decades and saw to take a fine with what
Speaker 1: I losing my mind. I would get a plaque for that.
Speaker 1: People might be able to control your environment, but they
Speaker 1: can't help to control the details of your dogs and
Speaker 1: stop you from writing a book. But you can stop
Speaker 1: you from living your life for you. You know that's
Speaker 1: my message. You know what I mean? And you know
Speaker 1: the hell was self peaker? Fuck him, fuck him. He's
Speaker 1: the coward in this equation. He's the coward in this narrative,
Speaker 1: which you did you you you no, it's neither you know,
Speaker 1: they're you know, I'm at peace where I stand, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, um, I see you. You know you're
Speaker 1: doing you know, you're doing your your you do diligence
Speaker 1: and you know, I you know, I respect that. M
Speaker 1: via um. Yeah, yeah, you're a little fighter getting there.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm trying to do. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: think we're probably gonna get cut off soon. All this
Speaker 1: stuff is so difficult, so painful, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: in my life and I'm talking to you know what
Speaker 1: the verst of all strange, so you know, uh, and
Speaker 1: just so a big of time I feel, you know,
Speaker 1: actually you know close to you you know, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I take certain things for planting, so you
Speaker 1: know my experience cannot you know, uh uh warn me
Speaker 1: against doing that with people because I'm living in this
Speaker 1: spectro the environment whatever. Like I said, and I say
Speaker 1: it again, you know, I'm not expecting any favors. I
Speaker 1: just I just want you to, you know, to bring
Speaker 1: balance to the story. What I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: know the only way to do that is to you know, tell,
Speaker 1: you know, tell you know what the prosecutors them did
Speaker 1: because you know justice, justice is not life like and white.
Speaker 1: As I said, you have one minute remaining every now
Speaker 1: and then I have to step back and breathe and say,
Speaker 1: you know all this well, Kase, you know you're one
Speaker 1: of the best you can do. You know, it's just life.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still all that was just gonna be able. Way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good to talk to you. Good to talk
Speaker 1: to you too. Okay, bye, next time. On The Real Killer,
Speaker 1: this man was probably the most significant prosecution witness. He
Speaker 1: lied through his teeth. It might not just be Keith's
Speaker 1: case that has issues. They would hill thirty five pieces.
Speaker 1: They ever, did you only need one new piece of
Speaker 1: evidence to get a new child? They would hill thirty
Speaker 1: five piece. Will anyone be held accountable? The first District
Speaker 1: like Court of Appeals here in Ohio had stated the
Speaker 1: prosecutor's conduct needs reviewed by other authorities. The Real Killer
Speaker 1: is a production of AYR Media and iHeartRadio, hosted by
Speaker 1: me Leah Rothman Executive producers Leah Rothman and Eliza Rosen
Speaker 1: for AYR Media. Written by Leah Rothman, Executive producer Paulina Williams,
Speaker 1: Senior Associate producer Jill Pesheznik, Coordinator George Faum. Editing and
Speaker 1: sound design by Cameron Taggy, mixed and mastered by Cameron Taggy.
Speaker 1: Audio engineering by Matt Jacobsen. Studio engineering by Anna Moolshan,
Speaker 1: Legal counsel for AYR Media, Gianni Douglas, Executive producer for iHeartRadio,
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