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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Aaron, Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcasts.

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Speaker 3: The most interesting baseball podcasts out there. It's me Tom

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Speaker 3: Berducci with Joe Madden and Joe's been a lot of

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Speaker 3: excitement and talk about the World Baseball Classic.

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Speaker 2: You dig in these games at all?

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Speaker 4: I honestly have not seen very many. I got to

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Speaker 4: be very honest about it. I fall asleep too easily

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Speaker 4: at night after a long day, and I started and

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Speaker 4: I said to myself, I got to pick up on

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Speaker 4: some of this stuff I've been reading.

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Speaker 5: I've been reading, but I haven't necessarily been watching.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because you, I think, are typical of a

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Speaker 3: lot of baseball folk in that, you know, it's hard

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Speaker 3: to really get into this kind of tournament in March.

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Speaker 3: You're kind of locked into the spring training mode what

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Speaker 3: your team is doing. But I tell people all the time, man,

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Speaker 3: especially if you if you give it a chance, and

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Speaker 3: especially if you're in the ballpark itself.

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Speaker 2: These games are pretty darn cool.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a gift from baseball to have

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Speaker 3: playoff level atmosphere games in the month of March, and

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Speaker 3: they really are a playoff level in terms of what

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Speaker 3: the buy in on the players.

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Speaker 2: That's the big thing for me.

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Speaker 3: But what I want to talk about, Joe, is that

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Speaker 3: like the Blessing and the Curse of the WBC, they're

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Speaker 2: The same, and that is, you know, you have these teams,

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Speaker 2: Let's face a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Them are just overmatched, don't have the depth to compete

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Speaker 3: with teams like USA, Japan, Dominican Republic. But at the

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Speaker 3: same time, you get some of these matchups where you

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Speaker 3: got this you know, electrical worker from Chechnya who comes

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Speaker 3: in and gets Otani the last WBC. You know, you

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Speaker 2: Why is that a bad thing? Well, just look at

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Speaker 2: the walks.

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Speaker 3: These games are averaging about nine to ten walks per game.

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Speaker 3: The US team has thirty one walks in three as

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Speaker 3: the Dominican team has twenty nine walks in three games.

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Speaker 3: So they're not always you know, an oil painting as

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Speaker 3: baseball games go. But the whole David and Goliath thing,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of fun to watch and see how it

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Speaker 4: No obviously that's all accurate and true. And this morning

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the brackets and it's like, I'm look

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Speaker 4: at all these different teams. I think, my god, just

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Speaker 4: what you're talking about competitively speaking, And then I saw

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Speaker 4: that Chisholm's playing for a great Britain. I think, right,

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Speaker 4: you get all these guys, these guys all over the map,

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Speaker 4: which that's the part I think is kind of cool.

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Speaker 5: But I do believe this.

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Speaker 4: As it gets closer to the end and it gets

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Speaker 4: reading the names daily regarding like who did something good

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Speaker 4: And again I'm not criticizing that because I was that

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Speaker 4: that player and like to desire their passion to play

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Speaker 4: the game of baseball. I guess guess I'm in some ways,

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of predictable among a lot of fans. I'll

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Speaker 4: wait to close itself down a little bit and probably

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Speaker 3: At that point, Well, there are a lot of stars

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Speaker 3: and that's where the WBC has come a long way.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I first started, a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: had some trepidation, like I don't want to ramp up,

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Speaker 3: especially the pitchers that early before opening day.

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Speaker 2: My services are all for my team.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to risk injury by playing in so

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Speaker 3: which is a very cool thing. So that also factors

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Speaker 3: They've got a lot of Major leaguers and some affiliated

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Speaker 3: Fastball between eighty eight and ninety two miles an hour.

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Speaker 3: You could see Judge like he has seen this movie before,

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Speaker 3: So those matchups are very cool to watch, and I

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Speaker 3: I mean, you listen to your heart, and what's bigger

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's more of a likelihood that they

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Speaker 4: World Series. I mean about them disparately, I mean they're

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Speaker 5: So I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 4: A lot of pride, man, a lot of pride among

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Speaker 4: All my Mexican pitchers, man that pitch ability again, I

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Speaker 4: I'd love to see more Mexican pitchers in the getting

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Speaker 4: what the youth programs look like there now. I know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they love the game.

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Speaker 3: But right up, for instance, he's been pitching nineteen seasons.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to short him nineteen seasons.

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Speaker 2: Literally all over the world.

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Speaker 3: Last year he pitched for the way Schwan Dragons of

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Speaker 2: So just amazing.

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Speaker 5: By the way.

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Speaker 3: He was drafted back in two thousand and seven by

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Speaker 2: His catcher was Austin Roman.

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Speaker 3: The next year his catcher was Francisco Cervelli, manager of

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Speaker 2: That year the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and seven, the Yankees, this is how

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Speaker 2: In a major league career.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is hard, and Joe, I want to

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Speaker 3: get back to the word you use pride.

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Speaker 2: With these players playing for their international teams, that is

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Speaker 3: People might be surprised, you know, listening to Julio Rodriguez.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the center field of the Dominican team. Also

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Speaker 3: Seattle Mariners, who have never been to a World Series.

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Speaker 3: They got into one game within the World Series last year,

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Speaker 3: the closest they've ever been to winning the Pennant, and

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Speaker 3: Julio has flied out asked about this opportunity and the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to win a World Series, and he said, listen,

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Speaker 2: My heart is to play for the Seattle Mariners.

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Speaker 3: But if we win the World Series, he said, that's

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Speaker 3: home country, that's one hundred and again it's going to

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Speaker 3: raise some eyebrows, but I mean, this is where these

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Speaker 4: But they don't forget where they came from. And that's

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Speaker 3: They're playing because it's the national sport. And I love

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Speaker 4: It is their national pastime, always has been, and I

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Speaker 4: Obvious, there's not the competition from other sports really there,

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Speaker 3: After one year of Dominican Summer League ball, he was

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Speaker 2: He's still a teenager. I get that.

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Speaker 3: This guy's bat speed is literally top two in baseball.

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Speaker 2: It's just a lightning fast bat.

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Speaker 3: And I was talking to the manager, Albert Poohols about him,

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Speaker 2: And again I get it. He's young. Nobody knew he's

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Speaker 3: But man, how do you trade someone who's back can

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Speaker 5: And he was like seventeen or eighteen I think at that.

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Speaker 4: Time, and of course didn't really knock it out of

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Speaker 5: I think that was a David Parker trade.

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Speaker 5: That's the only thing that I could think of.

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Speaker 4: But when you see bat speed Young, I mean, wow,

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Speaker 5: Wow, big guy nice guy.

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Speaker 4: I didn't speak a whole lot English at that point,

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Speaker 5: But the scouting world, man, it's it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: But when you get kid with batspeed, that young good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a great personality. He's a very upbeat guy.

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Speaker 3: He joked with Albert pooholes. He said, I want to

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Speaker 3: worked at learning more English because he said he wants

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Speaker 3: to be a better team leader and connect with everybody.

437
00:21:05,678 --> 00:21:09,558
Speaker 3: You know, everything, he checks all the boxes. Just getting started. Hey,

438
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Speaker 3: we're gonna take a quick break, Joe. When we get back,

439
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the Philadelphia Phillies.

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Speaker 2: What's in store for them this year?

441
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Speaker 3: And they just made a very I think, very astute signing,

442
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Speaker 3: not a free agent one of their own locked up.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that right after this on the Book of.

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Speaker 6: Joe's Back with the Book of Joe, the Philadelphia Phillies

445
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Speaker 6: assigned Jesus Wizardo to a five year extension for one

446
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Speaker 6: hundred and thirty five million dollars.

447
00:21:46,398 --> 00:21:49,078
Speaker 3: Now his career ERA is four point one point nine.

448
00:21:49,398 --> 00:21:51,798
Speaker 3: But I gotta tell you, Joe, I think this is

449
00:21:51,838 --> 00:21:54,398
Speaker 3: a steal. He was a year away from free agency,

450
00:21:55,078 --> 00:21:58,518
Speaker 3: so this is the time to lock him up. Essentially,

451
00:21:58,718 --> 00:22:02,798
Speaker 3: Rangers Suarez, who left the Phillies for the Red Sox,

452
00:22:02,998 --> 00:22:06,558
Speaker 3: this passed off Seas got the same deal, five years,

453
00:22:06,598 --> 00:22:09,238
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty million dollars, just five million dollars

454
00:22:09,318 --> 00:22:13,718
Speaker 3: less his career ERA three point three to eight, much lower.

455
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Speaker 3: But Lozardo's got a much better strikeout to walk rate.

456
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Speaker 3: He's a left handed pitcher who really stepped into his

457
00:22:21,158 --> 00:22:22,998
Speaker 3: own last year. And this is where you got to

458
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Speaker 3: give your major league staff credit, and Caleb Coughtham, the pitching.

459
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Speaker 2: Coach there, it does a great job.

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Speaker 3: Lozardo's fastball velocity ticked up last year, went from ninety

461
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Speaker 3: five to ninety six. I mean, just start with that

462
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Speaker 3: is a left hander who throws ninety six. Joe's probably

463
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Speaker 3: thinking of David Price right about now.

464
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Speaker 2: And they added a sweeper.

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Speaker 3: This guy became his number two pitch, not just the

466
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Speaker 3: complimentary pitch.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of this, Joe.

468
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Speaker 3: They added the sweeper last year, and not only did

469
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Speaker 3: he throw at thirty one percent of the time, second

470
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Speaker 3: most behind his four seam fastball, but his sweeper tied

471
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Speaker 3: with the one from Garrett Crochet the Red Sox as

472
00:23:02,638 --> 00:23:09,118
Speaker 3: the best sweeper in baseball when it's according to run value,

473
00:23:09,718 --> 00:23:13,598
Speaker 3: which basically takes in everything holding down offenses, especially slug

474
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Speaker 3: so he's twenty eight years old and okay, four point

475
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Speaker 3: one ninety's had some injuries in the past, but you've

476
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Speaker 3: got a lefty who is a very hard worker, throws

477
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Speaker 3: ninety six. I like his mechanics, and now he's added

478
00:23:29,638 --> 00:23:32,998
Speaker 3: this sweeper. Sign me up. That's exactly what the Phillies

479
00:23:32,998 --> 00:23:34,718
Speaker 3: did with Mazarto. I thought it was a great sign.

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Speaker 4: When the student is ready, the teacher will appear right.

481
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Speaker 4: I mean, I really believe in that statement. A guy

482
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Speaker 4: like Lizardo, perfect age, perfect amount, of experience, and you're

483
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Speaker 4: describing a kind of like a perfect makeup when you're

484
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Speaker 4: twenty seven to twenty eight. It's wonderful they've already had

485
00:23:51,758 --> 00:23:56,278
Speaker 4: him that, you know, the Marlins traded and whatever. But

486
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Speaker 4: he's arriving at that juncture in his life in baseball

487
00:24:00,038 --> 00:24:03,358
Speaker 4: playing life too, that it's kind of like really really

488
00:24:03,478 --> 00:24:06,478
Speaker 4: ripe to take off. I mean, from their perspective, the Phillies,

489
00:24:06,518 --> 00:24:09,958
Speaker 4: it would make all the sense in the world. So

490
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Speaker 4: the pitching coach there, the sweeper, et cetera. You know,

491
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Speaker 4: it probably just again I'd love to be on the

492
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Speaker 4: field or in the conversation to really totally understand. But

493
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Speaker 4: the way his arm worked, it probably really presented well

494
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Speaker 4: and it probably was kind of a natural once they introduced.

495
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Speaker 5: It to him. Feel for it.

496
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Speaker 4: I bet it would be something that he almost took

497
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Speaker 4: to almost immediately when they passed along the strategy behind

498
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Speaker 4: it and the implementation the methods. So yes, I read

499
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Speaker 4: that this morning. I thought the same thing. Wow, perfect.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that he was a twenty seven. I

501
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Speaker 4: think it's twenty seven, I said, right, yeah, twenty eight, Yeah, okay,

502
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Speaker 4: twenty perfect.

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Speaker 5: It's a perfect time.

504
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Speaker 4: Five years my God, they that's like win win for

505
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Speaker 4: both sides right there. And I would bet like you

506
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Speaker 4: did mention from a scouting perspective. The last question they

507
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Speaker 4: asked among themselves among each other makeup, do we trust

508
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Speaker 4: this makeup we try the guy, Do we believe that

509
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Speaker 4: we're going to see all this continue and more? We

510
00:25:08,198 --> 00:25:10,558
Speaker 4: even bet in the conversation would be that now with

511
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Speaker 4: a little bit more security that this kid's he going

512
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Speaker 4: to take off even more because he's that kind of

513
00:25:15,198 --> 00:25:17,198
Speaker 4: a fellow. So I think all of those things are

514
00:25:17,198 --> 00:25:19,838
Speaker 4: part of the discussion absolutely.

515
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Speaker 2: And you're right.

516
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Speaker 3: I think knowing the player, having him for that year

517
00:25:22,438 --> 00:25:24,758
Speaker 3: really helps, and it was a really good year. I mean,

518
00:25:24,798 --> 00:25:26,998
Speaker 3: he threw one hundred and eighty three innings last year,

519
00:25:27,118 --> 00:25:29,998
Speaker 3: which you know these days, that's like throwing three hundred

520
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Speaker 3: wins fifteen ERA under four the other comp By the way,

521
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Speaker 3: Dylan Cees, this is what happens when a pitcher like

522
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Speaker 3: that gets on the market, because it's it's rare that

523
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Speaker 3: you can have a guy who can pitch the front

524
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Speaker 3: end of a rotation who actually does get to the

525
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Speaker 3: free agent market. Dylan Ceese got seven years and one

526
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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five million dollars and he's two years

527
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Speaker 3: older than Lozardo. Now, Cease definitely has been more durable

528
00:25:52,838 --> 00:25:55,598
Speaker 3: in the course of his career, But in terms of

529
00:25:55,638 --> 00:25:59,078
Speaker 3: stuff and upside and coming off a really good year,

530
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Speaker 3: Lozardo is right there with Dylan Ceese and they get

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Speaker 3: him for forty million dollars less to fewer seasons. So

532
00:26:05,958 --> 00:26:08,998
Speaker 3: think about the Phillies. You mentioned the Marlins. They traded

533
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Speaker 3: for him after an injury shortened season with the Marlins

534
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:16,358
Speaker 3: wasn't a great season, they obviously saw something there. And

535
00:26:16,398 --> 00:26:18,878
Speaker 3: they also were able to get Christopher Sanchez a few

536
00:26:18,958 --> 00:26:23,118
Speaker 3: years ago from the Tampa Bay Rays and he's done

537
00:26:23,198 --> 00:26:27,678
Speaker 3: nothing but blossom with the Phillies. Velocity's gone up one

538
00:26:27,678 --> 00:26:30,438
Speaker 3: of the best change ups in baseball, Premier strike thrower,

539
00:26:30,878 --> 00:26:34,318
Speaker 3: Cy Young Award contender. I mean that those are two

540
00:26:34,438 --> 00:26:37,478
Speaker 3: great pickups. To add those guys. It kind of reminds

541
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Speaker 3: me your staff with the Cubs, Joe, where you find

542
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Speaker 3: guys at the right time, get him in the right environment. Sure,

543
00:26:44,798 --> 00:26:47,078
Speaker 3: you'd love to develop five of your own starting pitchers,

544
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Speaker 3: but trading for starting pitchers and having them blossom in

545
00:26:50,838 --> 00:26:53,318
Speaker 3: your group, that's credit to the Major league staff.

546
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

547
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Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know Sanchez was an original Ray and

548
00:26:56,678 --> 00:26:59,438
Speaker 4: that kind of surprises me because you look at a

549
00:26:59,478 --> 00:27:01,518
Speaker 4: comp I mean, I look at Sanchez pitch. I do

550
00:27:01,558 --> 00:27:04,558
Speaker 4: see David Price. I mean the way they end up there,

551
00:27:04,558 --> 00:27:06,638
Speaker 4: the kind of I don't know, David might have thrown

552
00:27:06,638 --> 00:27:08,918
Speaker 4: hard and more consistently. I'm not sure of that, but body,

553
00:27:09,038 --> 00:27:10,638
Speaker 4: body configuration and everything else.

554
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Speaker 5: I really like this guy a lot.

555
00:27:13,398 --> 00:27:16,758
Speaker 4: To give somebody a pitcher a seven year contract at

556
00:27:16,798 --> 00:27:22,398
Speaker 4: ceases age, they're obviously, I know he's had a durability,

557
00:27:23,038 --> 00:27:25,478
Speaker 4: He's been durable, but still that's a lot of years

558
00:27:26,878 --> 00:27:29,798
Speaker 4: to consider. Think that you're going to benefit for seven years.

559
00:27:29,838 --> 00:27:30,078
Speaker 5: Listen.

560
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Speaker 4: I hope it does happen, but obviously that's what it

561
00:27:32,918 --> 00:27:35,798
Speaker 4: took to get him whatever. But those are the kind

562
00:27:35,838 --> 00:27:38,518
Speaker 4: of things that I find curious or interesting. But the

563
00:27:38,558 --> 00:27:42,118
Speaker 4: Sanchez Price comp to me when I watched this kid pitch,

564
00:27:42,198 --> 00:27:43,998
Speaker 4: I like, I see a lot of Philly games during

565
00:27:44,038 --> 00:27:46,718
Speaker 4: the summertime, like Suarez too. I mean, the Philly has

566
00:27:46,798 --> 00:27:50,878
Speaker 4: done a nice job there with loading up and the acquisitions,

567
00:27:50,918 --> 00:27:53,478
Speaker 4: and like you're talking about with the race, we did

568
00:27:54,438 --> 00:27:56,678
Speaker 4: a great job of scouting and development down there there

569
00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:58,798
Speaker 4: was like a lot of homegrowns man. It was really

570
00:27:58,798 --> 00:28:02,198
Speaker 4: interesting and it was a cultural kind of thing that

571
00:28:02,238 --> 00:28:05,958
Speaker 4: we created there and identity where we did. We did

572
00:28:05,998 --> 00:28:10,078
Speaker 4: talk about having two hundred inning starters. That was a

573
00:28:10,078 --> 00:28:12,518
Speaker 4: part of the conversation in spring training, and nobody argued

574
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Speaker 4: against it.

575
00:28:13,078 --> 00:28:13,558
Speaker 5: Nobody.

576
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Speaker 4: And at that point I was never really confronted with

577
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Speaker 4: the third time through the batting order discussion outside of

578
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Speaker 4: maybe like if I talked about Jeremy Helix and I

579
00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:23,518
Speaker 4: had to watch him a little bit. But the other guys,

580
00:28:23,518 --> 00:28:28,078
Speaker 4: whether it's David or Shields Cobb and even when Jeff

581
00:28:28,278 --> 00:28:31,278
Speaker 4: Neeman was going really good, all these guys, I never

582
00:28:31,358 --> 00:28:33,838
Speaker 4: worried about stuff like the third time through. I was

583
00:28:33,878 --> 00:28:36,278
Speaker 4: just worried about more about pitch count and number of

584
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Speaker 4: any number of pitches thrown over maybe two or three outings,

585
00:28:39,758 --> 00:28:41,958
Speaker 4: that kind of a thing. So this is all interesting,

586
00:28:41,958 --> 00:28:45,438
Speaker 4: but I'm really the Sanchez price thing really stands out

587
00:28:45,438 --> 00:28:45,638
Speaker 4: to me.

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00:28:45,878 --> 00:28:48,158
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, now that you mentioned it, I could see

589
00:28:48,158 --> 00:28:50,838
Speaker 3: in my mind's eye they stand very similar, very erect

590
00:28:50,878 --> 00:28:54,198
Speaker 3: on the mound and even throw that way. And I

591
00:28:54,238 --> 00:28:56,678
Speaker 3: also wanted to bring up Jake Arietta with the Cubs.

592
00:28:56,718 --> 00:28:58,918
Speaker 3: I mean who was he with the Orioles. He bounced around.

593
00:28:59,078 --> 00:29:01,518
Speaker 3: You know, they had certain things they wanted him to do,

594
00:29:01,598 --> 00:29:05,038
Speaker 3: didn't want him to throw a cross fire. It's they

595
00:29:05,038 --> 00:29:09,078
Speaker 3: were going through essentially a pitching coach every single season,

596
00:29:09,158 --> 00:29:12,678
Speaker 3: so he never had a consistent messaging there, and he

597
00:29:12,758 --> 00:29:14,878
Speaker 3: turned into this cy young pitcher for the Cubs.

598
00:29:15,438 --> 00:29:18,678
Speaker 4: Jake talk about a workout routine. This is one of

599
00:29:18,678 --> 00:29:20,798
Speaker 4: the strongest guys I've ever seen pitch. I mean, his

600
00:29:20,878 --> 00:29:24,078
Speaker 4: pilate's stuff was stupid to watch. I can't believe he

601
00:29:24,118 --> 00:29:27,278
Speaker 4: can do that stuff. And you talk about a real

602
00:29:27,718 --> 00:29:32,718
Speaker 4: sharp focus, real sharp focus he'd get. He'd get like

603
00:29:32,758 --> 00:29:36,238
Speaker 4: so locked in in moments. I mean conversationally, he had

604
00:29:36,278 --> 00:29:38,278
Speaker 4: these really dark guys. You'd look you in the eyeballs, man,

605
00:29:38,278 --> 00:29:41,518
Speaker 4: and we'd have great conversations. I love my conversations with

606
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Speaker 4: Jake Arieta. So this guy and very respectful at the

607
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Speaker 4: same time, but he was so intent on being the best,

608
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Speaker 4: and when he came over to the Cubs, they did

609
00:29:52,918 --> 00:29:54,918
Speaker 4: make some adjustments with him. I think part of it

610
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Speaker 4: was a freedom to be himself in regards to like,

611
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Speaker 4: you know, not getting too crazy about across the body,

612
00:30:01,438 --> 00:30:05,198
Speaker 4: which really if you could do that that well, that

613
00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:07,878
Speaker 4: could really be a negative from the hitter's perspective seeing

614
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Speaker 4: the baseball, and then the way he spun the ball,

615
00:30:09,958 --> 00:30:12,998
Speaker 4: My god, I mean you talk about underneath left handers

616
00:30:12,998 --> 00:30:15,798
Speaker 4: with that slider. Whatever the heck it was was outstanding.

617
00:30:16,238 --> 00:30:18,158
Speaker 4: So yeah, Jake got over there. I think he just

618
00:30:18,198 --> 00:30:21,438
Speaker 4: felt a sense of freedom when he got to the Cubs.

619
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Speaker 5: To be his own man, his own way, and he

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Speaker 5: was supported.

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Speaker 4: And that's a big part when you get guys with

622
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Speaker 4: that kind of ability, and it is it is oppressively great.

623
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Speaker 4: Just really we've talked about it instead of the way

624
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Speaker 4: of greatness. Man, let him pitch.

625
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Speaker 3: So let's talk about the Phillies, Joe. I, in my book,

626
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Speaker 3: they are the biggest threat to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

627
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Speaker 2: I thought that was the case last year.

628
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Speaker 3: I thought when they played the Dodgers in the postseason

629
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Speaker 3: that was the World Series. Now I underestimated, like a

630
00:30:48,478 --> 00:30:51,318
Speaker 3: lot of people did, the Toronto Blue Jays and the

631
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Speaker 3: scare they put into the Dodgers. But the Phillies played

632
00:30:54,798 --> 00:30:59,318
Speaker 3: them tough. They were in mostly every game. The Dodgers

633
00:30:59,318 --> 00:31:01,518
Speaker 3: came in healthy with their pitching staff and shut down

634
00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:03,678
Speaker 3: a lot of their big guys in the lineup. But

635
00:31:03,798 --> 00:31:05,878
Speaker 3: I look at this Phillys team and you know they're

636
00:31:05,918 --> 00:31:07,998
Speaker 3: running it back. I get it, they're an older team,

637
00:31:08,318 --> 00:31:11,718
Speaker 3: but they know exactly who they are. The culture has

638
00:31:11,758 --> 00:31:15,638
Speaker 3: been established there. Their star players are great teammates. I'm

639
00:31:15,638 --> 00:31:19,758
Speaker 3: talking about especially Bryce Harper, Kyle Schwarber, Trade Turner, and

640
00:31:19,998 --> 00:31:23,638
Speaker 3: they should get an infusion of energy and youthfulness, which

641
00:31:23,678 --> 00:31:26,918
Speaker 3: I always like. With Justin Crawford at center field, I mean,

642
00:31:27,758 --> 00:31:29,598
Speaker 3: he can run it down. I think he's going to

643
00:31:29,678 --> 00:31:30,958
Speaker 3: hit a little bit, and that's all he needs to

644
00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:32,998
Speaker 3: do is hit a little bit. I think they're going

645
00:31:32,998 --> 00:31:35,598
Speaker 3: to get a bounce back season from Adolas Garcia. I

646
00:31:35,878 --> 00:31:36,918
Speaker 3: love that signing.

647
00:31:37,838 --> 00:31:38,038
Speaker 2: Now.

648
00:31:38,078 --> 00:31:40,518
Speaker 3: He got chewed up with Velocity the last couple of seasons,

649
00:31:40,518 --> 00:31:42,838
Speaker 3: but I believe going to a much better hitters park

650
00:31:42,958 --> 00:31:45,798
Speaker 3: and working with Kevin Long there in Philadelphia will bring

651
00:31:45,838 --> 00:31:48,278
Speaker 3: his beat back. Not saying he's gonna be an MVP

652
00:31:48,438 --> 00:31:51,318
Speaker 3: type player, but I'd never liked the Max Kepler signing

653
00:31:51,438 --> 00:31:53,358
Speaker 3: last year that really didn't work out, but I think

654
00:31:53,398 --> 00:31:57,958
Speaker 3: this one will. You've got Andrew Painter, the young pitcher

655
00:31:57,998 --> 00:32:01,798
Speaker 3: we've been hearing about now for three four years we'll

656
00:32:01,798 --> 00:32:03,758
Speaker 3: see how many strikes he can throw, but the arm

657
00:32:03,798 --> 00:32:07,598
Speaker 3: is there. I like the mix with this Philadelphia Phillies team, Joe,

658
00:32:07,598 --> 00:32:08,278
Speaker 3: I really do.

659
00:32:08,598 --> 00:32:10,198
Speaker 2: I don't think they're missing very much at all.

660
00:32:10,558 --> 00:32:13,718
Speaker 4: All great points, but to me, if they don't sign Schwerber,

661
00:32:14,078 --> 00:32:17,238
Speaker 4: I don't see all this coming together for them. Kyle starting,

662
00:32:17,238 --> 00:32:19,278
Speaker 4: you know, showing that already with what he's doing not

663
00:32:19,318 --> 00:32:22,958
Speaker 4: only on the field but his leadership qualities within the clubhouse,

664
00:32:22,958 --> 00:32:25,398
Speaker 4: they really needed him to be back there. So I

665
00:32:25,438 --> 00:32:27,558
Speaker 4: think the fact that they were able to resign Schwerber

666
00:32:28,078 --> 00:32:29,958
Speaker 4: that might have been the most important sign or the

667
00:32:29,958 --> 00:32:30,878
Speaker 4: most important.

668
00:32:30,518 --> 00:32:31,878
Speaker 5: Thing they did in the off season.

669
00:32:32,438 --> 00:32:34,238
Speaker 3: No, I agree with that, and a lot of people

670
00:32:34,278 --> 00:32:35,718
Speaker 3: kind of raise their eyes that you know, at his

671
00:32:35,798 --> 00:32:39,758
Speaker 3: age mid thirties, dh only for the most part, but

672
00:32:40,398 --> 00:32:43,278
Speaker 3: for all those reasons that you mentioned, and I believe

673
00:32:44,198 --> 00:32:45,998
Speaker 3: his career at path and he's going to hit five

674
00:32:46,078 --> 00:32:48,878
Speaker 3: hundred home runs. The way he's going, it almost reminds

675
00:32:48,918 --> 00:32:51,998
Speaker 3: me also of David Ortiz, where I'm just saying he's

676
00:32:51,998 --> 00:32:54,398
Speaker 3: putting up Ortiz numbers, but it's pretty darn close at

677
00:32:54,398 --> 00:32:57,758
Speaker 3: this point where David Ortiz became a better hitter with

678
00:32:57,838 --> 00:33:02,078
Speaker 3: more experience and just dhing and knowing who he was

679
00:33:02,158 --> 00:33:05,838
Speaker 3: and a great teammate. Was really glue guy in the

680
00:33:05,878 --> 00:33:08,958
Speaker 3: clubhouse because he connected with everybody, no matter where their

681
00:33:08,998 --> 00:33:09,838
Speaker 3: background was.

682
00:33:10,598 --> 00:33:12,238
Speaker 2: I see that with kyleege Schwerber as well.

683
00:33:12,278 --> 00:33:14,998
Speaker 3: I think the smarter he gets, the more reps he gets,

684
00:33:15,478 --> 00:33:17,918
Speaker 3: the better hitter he becomes. We know how good he's

685
00:33:17,958 --> 00:33:20,278
Speaker 3: gotten against left handed pitching the last couple of years.

686
00:33:20,318 --> 00:33:23,638
Speaker 2: That's through just basically a lot of hard work, really.

687
00:33:23,838 --> 00:33:26,038
Speaker 3: And what I love about him and show he's got

688
00:33:26,078 --> 00:33:31,198
Speaker 3: this quality too, Joe, there's no stress in them. You know,

689
00:33:31,638 --> 00:33:34,118
Speaker 3: they play the game with this freedom, like they're not

690
00:33:34,318 --> 00:33:36,878
Speaker 3: worried about what happens if I don't come through or

691
00:33:36,918 --> 00:33:40,078
Speaker 3: you know what, They don't stress the downsides of the

692
00:33:40,078 --> 00:33:42,958
Speaker 3: game at all. You know, you talk to Kylee schwarber

693
00:33:42,998 --> 00:33:46,558
Speaker 3: Man and everything's gonna be all right, and he plays

694
00:33:46,598 --> 00:33:49,838
Speaker 3: that way and this is just like this freedom that

695
00:33:49,878 --> 00:33:52,078
Speaker 3: both he and Shohey have that brings out the best

696
00:33:52,118 --> 00:33:52,438
Speaker 3: of them.

697
00:33:52,678 --> 00:33:54,878
Speaker 4: Well, as you began talking there, I wrote down Poppy

698
00:33:54,918 --> 00:33:56,198
Speaker 4: before you got to Poppy's name.

699
00:33:56,638 --> 00:33:59,038
Speaker 5: I totally believe in that comp.

700
00:33:58,798 --> 00:34:01,558
Speaker 4: Schwerber and David Ortiz are turning out to be the

701
00:34:01,558 --> 00:34:05,998
Speaker 4: same guys I had Schwerves young. Obviously, he kept growing growing.

702
00:34:06,078 --> 00:34:08,518
Speaker 4: Like you said, he could be going through the absolute

703
00:34:08,598 --> 00:34:11,438
Speaker 4: worst spreatch you've ever seen, and he knew that there

704
00:34:11,558 --> 00:34:13,638
Speaker 4: was a pony on the other side of that pile

705
00:34:13,678 --> 00:34:16,198
Speaker 4: of manure in the garage. He just knew that. He's

706
00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:20,318
Speaker 4: always been that positive kind of a guy. I saw

707
00:34:20,358 --> 00:34:21,318
Speaker 4: him at the Cubs convention.

708
00:34:21,998 --> 00:34:22,678
Speaker 5: He looked great.

709
00:34:22,878 --> 00:34:25,318
Speaker 4: I mean, I tell you right now, I mean physically.

710
00:34:25,958 --> 00:34:27,678
Speaker 4: You look at his face, you look at his body,

711
00:34:27,718 --> 00:34:30,678
Speaker 4: you talk to him way better. Obviously there on he

712
00:34:30,678 --> 00:34:33,198
Speaker 4: was twenty three, twenty four whenever the ages were that,

713
00:34:33,238 --> 00:34:37,358
Speaker 4: I had him. So there's a mature person, a mature body,

714
00:34:37,758 --> 00:34:41,598
Speaker 4: a matured approach to the plate, an absolute leadership component

715
00:34:41,638 --> 00:34:43,518
Speaker 4: to him that a lot of guys they talk about

716
00:34:43,558 --> 00:34:47,438
Speaker 4: but really don't have. So he has the physical and

717
00:34:48,478 --> 00:34:50,398
Speaker 4: clubhouse credentials.

718
00:34:50,078 --> 00:34:50,998
Speaker 5: To be all of that.

719
00:34:51,158 --> 00:34:54,278
Speaker 4: So Yes, as a DH only, I think he's going

720
00:34:54,318 --> 00:34:57,118
Speaker 4: to thrive. And I think the best coffee could possibly make.

721
00:34:57,238 --> 00:35:00,198
Speaker 3: Is that to David Ortiz, I got to give you credit, Joe,

722
00:35:00,238 --> 00:35:03,198
Speaker 3: I've never heard that analogy before about the pony and

723
00:35:03,238 --> 00:35:06,878
Speaker 3: the pile of it actually sounds like something somebody like

724
00:35:06,958 --> 00:35:09,518
Speaker 3: in West Texas would say, did you pick that up

725
00:35:09,558 --> 00:35:10,798
Speaker 3: an old Paso or someplace.

726
00:35:10,958 --> 00:35:13,478
Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan actually said it, because Reagan was known as

727
00:35:13,518 --> 00:35:17,118
Speaker 4: the most optimistic whatever president.

728
00:35:17,158 --> 00:35:18,638
Speaker 5: But he did bring that up.

729
00:35:18,798 --> 00:35:22,278
Speaker 4: He was so good at delivering his little anecdote stories

730
00:35:22,278 --> 00:35:25,558
Speaker 4: to the pressure in front of audiences. Whatever he did.

731
00:35:25,958 --> 00:35:28,158
Speaker 4: And that goes back to his acting time. But he

732
00:35:28,238 --> 00:35:32,278
Speaker 4: did mention about the dude that opened up the garage

733
00:35:32,318 --> 00:35:35,278
Speaker 4: and there was a parliamenter and he was a birthday situation,

734
00:35:35,438 --> 00:35:37,798
Speaker 4: and he said, yeah. The guy started screaming. He was

735
00:35:37,798 --> 00:35:39,398
Speaker 4: so happy because that meant there was a pony on

736
00:35:39,438 --> 00:35:40,638
Speaker 4: the other side.

737
00:35:41,758 --> 00:35:44,478
Speaker 3: Well, you unwillingly just gave me a great transition to

738
00:35:44,558 --> 00:35:45,478
Speaker 3: our next segment here.

739
00:35:46,638 --> 00:35:47,878
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware of.

740
00:35:48,398 --> 00:35:50,958
Speaker 3: They call it the day the music died, right, you know,

741
00:35:50,998 --> 00:35:55,118
Speaker 3: when Buddy Holly died in a plane crash. Yeah, July sixteenth,

742
00:35:55,278 --> 00:36:00,878
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three was the day trust in our politicians died.

743
00:36:01,758 --> 00:36:03,158
Speaker 2: I'm going to explain that and.

744
00:36:03,158 --> 00:36:06,718
Speaker 3: See if Joe members this date at this event right

745
00:36:06,758 --> 00:36:20,198
Speaker 3: after this on the Book of Joe.

746
00:36:22,518 --> 00:36:23,958
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

747
00:36:24,598 --> 00:36:28,078
Speaker 3: Yeah, the year is nineteen seventy three, and I think

748
00:36:28,118 --> 00:36:32,998
Speaker 3: about where we are today in you know, our distrust

749
00:36:33,038 --> 00:36:35,518
Speaker 3: if you will, the politicians. That's where we start, right

750
00:36:35,558 --> 00:36:37,038
Speaker 3: and then they have to earn our trust and that

751
00:36:37,078 --> 00:36:39,718
Speaker 3: seems to be extremely hard and getting harder.

752
00:36:40,918 --> 00:36:43,038
Speaker 2: But maybe it's because of my age, Joe.

753
00:36:43,038 --> 00:36:46,238
Speaker 3: But the date I brought up, July sixteenth, nineteen seventy three,

754
00:36:46,398 --> 00:36:49,318
Speaker 3: is when it all changed. Because we did always I

755
00:36:49,438 --> 00:36:53,438
Speaker 3: felt like, have trust in our leaders, and you know,

756
00:36:53,518 --> 00:36:56,158
Speaker 3: if they violated that trust, then we would lose it.

757
00:36:56,598 --> 00:36:57,918
Speaker 2: But something happened that day.

758
00:36:59,038 --> 00:37:02,278
Speaker 3: That was during the Watergate Committee's hearings in the Senate,

759
00:37:02,798 --> 00:37:06,198
Speaker 3: and Alexander under Butterfield, who was the head of the

760
00:37:06,238 --> 00:37:07,478
Speaker 3: Federal Aviation.

761
00:37:07,158 --> 00:37:08,998
Speaker 2: Administration, goes in to testify.

762
00:37:10,238 --> 00:37:13,078
Speaker 3: So there already had been obviously some talk that what

763
00:37:13,158 --> 00:37:17,198
Speaker 3: was going on with President Nixon, allegations of criminality, what

764
00:37:17,358 --> 00:37:20,558
Speaker 3: have you, but there had been no smoking gun.

765
00:37:20,438 --> 00:37:22,638
Speaker 2: No evidence. It was just that he said, she said.

766
00:37:23,438 --> 00:37:27,478
Speaker 3: And then Butterfield walks in there, and it's Fred Thompson,

767
00:37:27,518 --> 00:37:31,558
Speaker 3: who's a Tennessee Republican Chief Minority counsel to the Watergate Committee,

768
00:37:32,678 --> 00:37:36,398
Speaker 3: asks him, are you aware of the installation of any

769
00:37:36,638 --> 00:37:40,558
Speaker 3: listening devices in the old office of the President, and

770
00:37:40,678 --> 00:37:44,838
Speaker 3: Butterfield says, I was aware of listening devices, yes, sir,

771
00:37:45,718 --> 00:37:48,998
Speaker 3: And that was the bomb that dropped that there were

772
00:37:49,118 --> 00:37:54,478
Speaker 3: actually tape recordings of President Nixon in the Oval Office,

773
00:37:54,518 --> 00:37:56,438
Speaker 3: not just there, but in the cabinet room, the Lincoln

774
00:37:56,518 --> 00:38:01,598
Speaker 3: Sitting Room, Nixon' hidaway in the Executive Office building, Camp David,

775
00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:07,638
Speaker 3: they had tapes, incriminating tapes. Now, it wasn't a fishing expedition.

776
00:38:07,678 --> 00:38:10,278
Speaker 3: It's not like the committee didn't know this was going on.

777
00:38:10,318 --> 00:38:14,798
Speaker 3: Obviously in back rooms. This was brought up, so they

778
00:38:14,918 --> 00:38:18,038
Speaker 3: kind of teed up Butterfield. But Butterfield, I bring it

779
00:38:18,118 --> 00:38:19,678
Speaker 3: up because he just passed away at the age of

780
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:23,638
Speaker 3: ninety nine. But when he spoke those words, Joe, that

781
00:38:23,678 --> 00:38:26,918
Speaker 3: the president did have these tapes, you knew Nixon was

782
00:38:26,958 --> 00:38:29,158
Speaker 3: going down, right. It was no longer just that he

783
00:38:29,198 --> 00:38:34,038
Speaker 3: said or she said, and I may again it must

784
00:38:34,118 --> 00:38:35,638
Speaker 3: be just because of my age.

785
00:38:35,678 --> 00:38:37,718
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, Joe.

786
00:38:38,718 --> 00:38:41,638
Speaker 3: I was blown away by that, incredibly disappointed by what

787
00:38:41,678 --> 00:38:42,998
Speaker 3: happened to the president and.

788
00:38:44,478 --> 00:38:44,918
Speaker 5: Just the.

789
00:38:46,398 --> 00:38:50,998
Speaker 3: Institutional respect that you would automatically have like went away,

790
00:38:51,238 --> 00:38:53,998
Speaker 3: like the president of the United States could be knowing,

791
00:38:54,118 --> 00:38:59,438
Speaker 3: if not orchestrating this two bit break in at Democratic headquarters,

792
00:38:59,678 --> 00:39:02,758
Speaker 3: a lie about it, and then being incriminated on tape.

793
00:39:03,238 --> 00:39:05,998
Speaker 2: Man To me, that changed everything. I don't know about you,

794
00:39:06,158 --> 00:39:07,118
Speaker 2: but I know it.

795
00:39:07,158 --> 00:39:09,798
Speaker 3: In the journalism world, it changed everything because everybody wanted

796
00:39:09,798 --> 00:39:12,958
Speaker 3: to be wood were Bernstein journalism schools filled with people

797
00:39:13,278 --> 00:39:14,678
Speaker 3: after those stories were breaking.

798
00:39:15,158 --> 00:39:20,118
Speaker 4: Yeah, when when all of our leaders became kind of

799
00:39:20,158 --> 00:39:24,158
Speaker 4: normal and in a sense, or a criminal in a

800
00:39:24,238 --> 00:39:25,718
Speaker 4: greater sense, it really did.

801
00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:27,038
Speaker 5: Yeah.

802
00:39:27,238 --> 00:39:30,918
Speaker 4: It created a different feeling among us, a vision among us,

803
00:39:30,958 --> 00:39:33,678
Speaker 4: because we always thought these people were infallible, right, and

804
00:39:33,718 --> 00:39:35,438
Speaker 4: even you go back to Kennedy and all the stuff

805
00:39:35,438 --> 00:39:39,318
Speaker 4: that's been written after the assassination and everything that occurred

806
00:39:39,398 --> 00:39:42,678
Speaker 4: during his time there, but that there was no social media,

807
00:39:42,678 --> 00:39:44,878
Speaker 4: and I think the media was more complicit and really

808
00:39:44,958 --> 00:39:47,318
Speaker 4: at that time going along with the good old boy network,

809
00:39:47,318 --> 00:39:51,078
Speaker 4: and you're only able to report certain things because most

810
00:39:51,118 --> 00:39:52,598
Speaker 4: of it was hearsay, wasn't it.

811
00:39:52,918 --> 00:39:53,918
Speaker 5: But when you actually get it.

812
00:39:53,878 --> 00:39:55,798
Speaker 2: Down, that's right. You mentioned Kennedy.

813
00:39:55,798 --> 00:40:00,598
Speaker 3: They called his administration Camelot, right, right, Yeah, And then

814
00:40:00,638 --> 00:40:02,398
Speaker 3: we find out later, well maybe it wasn't it.

815
00:40:02,438 --> 00:40:06,398
Speaker 4: Wasn't Canvabis right, So, but it wasn't does not exist,

816
00:40:06,678 --> 00:40:10,318
Speaker 4: doesn't the the the tapings of all this wasn't that

817
00:40:11,118 --> 00:40:16,278
Speaker 4: Nixon's wanting to have his wonderful thoughts put down for posterity.

818
00:40:16,318 --> 00:40:18,438
Speaker 4: And the fact that this was kind of like ego

819
00:40:18,518 --> 00:40:21,438
Speaker 4: driven that led to his demise because once you once

820
00:40:21,478 --> 00:40:24,958
Speaker 4: it's actually heard and it's preserved on a tape recording,

821
00:40:25,358 --> 00:40:26,598
Speaker 4: at this point you can't deny it.

822
00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:27,358
Speaker 5: It's just it's there.

823
00:40:27,438 --> 00:40:29,318
Speaker 4: I mean, we could repeat it, it's your voice, it's

824
00:40:29,558 --> 00:40:30,838
Speaker 4: it's could be authenticated, et.

825
00:40:30,758 --> 00:40:31,318
Speaker 5: Cetera, et cetera.

826
00:40:31,438 --> 00:40:33,678
Speaker 4: So then you move it forward to now you get

827
00:40:33,718 --> 00:40:36,958
Speaker 4: to the point where social media pretty much rules the

828
00:40:37,878 --> 00:40:40,118
Speaker 4: news cycle. I mean, we've talked about this figures and

829
00:40:40,118 --> 00:40:41,478
Speaker 4: it's something that I read. I don't even know if

830
00:40:41,478 --> 00:40:44,598
Speaker 4: it was ten or fifteenth, maybe twenty years ago at

831
00:40:44,598 --> 00:40:48,318
Speaker 4: the advent of social media, you know, when it was

832
00:40:48,438 --> 00:40:52,238
Speaker 4: first Twitter. The fact that now the amateurs are running

833
00:40:52,238 --> 00:40:56,278
Speaker 4: the professionals, because whatever is written now on these these

834
00:40:56,638 --> 00:40:59,398
Speaker 4: social media platforms is then chased by people that are

835
00:40:59,398 --> 00:41:01,638
Speaker 4: supposed to do these things for a living. So the

836
00:41:01,678 --> 00:41:06,318
Speaker 4: amateurs are putting statements or comments on substantiated out there,

837
00:41:06,358 --> 00:41:08,398
Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, people that really have

838
00:41:08,558 --> 00:41:10,798
Speaker 4: gone to mean journalism school. I've done it for years,

839
00:41:10,878 --> 00:41:13,878
Speaker 4: work their way up through the ranks now that what

840
00:41:13,918 --> 00:41:17,278
Speaker 4: they really think or believe has to be it's kind

841
00:41:17,318 --> 00:41:18,718
Speaker 4: of like put in the background. To the point now

842
00:41:18,758 --> 00:41:21,278
Speaker 4: I got to chase this stuff that is being written

843
00:41:21,358 --> 00:41:25,678
Speaker 4: that that has no like against substitutive kind of a background.

844
00:41:25,718 --> 00:41:27,958
Speaker 4: People are just able to do it from their basements

845
00:41:27,958 --> 00:41:31,198
Speaker 4: with their thumbs on their phones whatever. So the fact

846
00:41:31,238 --> 00:41:33,638
Speaker 4: that we've gotten to this point now where there's a

847
00:41:33,878 --> 00:41:38,598
Speaker 4: lot of information coming from so many different wow sources,

848
00:41:39,718 --> 00:41:42,158
Speaker 4: democratization I guess of society in a sense.

849
00:41:42,238 --> 00:41:44,398
Speaker 5: I don't know. You would think that would be.

850
00:41:44,438 --> 00:41:46,558
Speaker 4: A good thing, but to the point where you just

851
00:41:46,598 --> 00:41:49,838
Speaker 4: there's no way to put a curb this in a

852
00:41:49,878 --> 00:41:52,118
Speaker 4: sense because it's so rampant and there's no way to

853
00:41:52,198 --> 00:41:59,478
Speaker 4: really apply laws to it that really permitted to be verified.

854
00:41:59,558 --> 00:42:02,758
Speaker 4: And that's the part that's so scary. So starts from

855
00:42:02,758 --> 00:42:05,158
Speaker 4: the Kennedy thing, nothing could be verify. People are in

856
00:42:05,278 --> 00:42:07,798
Speaker 4: bed with one another. Then you get to Nixon, who

857
00:42:07,798 --> 00:42:10,238
Speaker 4: actually puts it down on tape because I think it

858
00:42:10,318 --> 00:42:12,478
Speaker 4: was kind of ego driven to the point now where

859
00:42:12,478 --> 00:42:15,358
Speaker 4: everybody's a reporter. Everybody that owns a phone or an

860
00:42:15,398 --> 00:42:18,158
Speaker 4: iPad or whatever now gets to report the news or

861
00:42:18,398 --> 00:42:20,958
Speaker 4: create the news on a daily basis, and then people

862
00:42:20,958 --> 00:42:23,118
Speaker 4: that are professionals have to chase it. I mean, I've

863
00:42:23,198 --> 00:42:26,918
Speaker 4: I've talked to to writers like just let's go to baseball.

864
00:42:27,478 --> 00:42:29,718
Speaker 4: A lot of times, what I understand is that dudes

865
00:42:29,718 --> 00:42:31,838
Speaker 4: would be sitting upstairs or the ladies that are reporting

866
00:42:31,838 --> 00:42:33,798
Speaker 4: on the game, they're not even watching the game. They're

867
00:42:33,838 --> 00:42:36,358
Speaker 4: watching their their feeds, the pop ups on their phones

868
00:42:36,398 --> 00:42:39,158
Speaker 4: from from fans or whomever, and then they're chasing that

869
00:42:39,278 --> 00:42:41,678
Speaker 4: commentary as of post really watching the game and reporting

870
00:42:41,718 --> 00:42:45,478
Speaker 4: on it. So it's a situation now where you love

871
00:42:45,518 --> 00:42:48,238
Speaker 4: professionals and I you know, I follow some people I

872
00:42:48,278 --> 00:42:50,798
Speaker 4: think are really professionals that speak from their from their

873
00:42:50,798 --> 00:42:54,278
Speaker 4: own experiences and tell me what they know and not

874
00:42:54,398 --> 00:42:56,718
Speaker 4: what they that they that they've heard. So those are

875
00:42:56,758 --> 00:42:58,518
Speaker 4: the people I really want to follow. But there's a

876
00:42:58,558 --> 00:43:02,838
Speaker 4: lot of amateurs creating news and situations right now.

877
00:43:03,358 --> 00:43:05,678
Speaker 2: You're a hundred right, there's no question about that.

878
00:43:05,718 --> 00:43:08,358
Speaker 3: And by the way, you're also right about President Nixon,

879
00:43:08,478 --> 00:43:12,798
Speaker 3: Yet he it was a sound activated system, and it

880
00:43:12,838 --> 00:43:17,838
Speaker 3: turned out there were thousands of hours and it was

881
00:43:17,918 --> 00:43:20,998
Speaker 3: kept by the Secret Service. But yes, he wanted to

882
00:43:21,358 --> 00:43:24,078
Speaker 3: he install the tape system, not literally himself, but he

883
00:43:25,078 --> 00:43:27,878
Speaker 3: instructed it be installed so that he could keep historical

884
00:43:27,918 --> 00:43:34,158
Speaker 3: record of his official business. And obviously it wind up backfire, yeah,

885
00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:37,198
Speaker 3: big time. But yeah, I mean that had to be

886
00:43:37,238 --> 00:43:40,438
Speaker 3: ego driven. I mean, you know, what are you there for?

887
00:43:40,558 --> 00:43:42,598
Speaker 3: You there serving the American people? Are you there to

888
00:43:42,998 --> 00:43:45,358
Speaker 3: you know, start compiling your memoirs the minute you step

889
00:43:45,358 --> 00:43:51,278
Speaker 3: in the office. So there was some some justice served,

890
00:43:51,278 --> 00:43:53,798
Speaker 3: if you will, in that regard. But yeah, I mean

891
00:43:53,918 --> 00:43:56,598
Speaker 3: you're right about I don't know if you call it

892
00:43:56,758 --> 00:43:59,518
Speaker 3: creating the news, and maybe it is. It's creation because

893
00:43:59,518 --> 00:44:02,198
Speaker 3: it's not always news that people do have to follow,

894
00:44:03,638 --> 00:44:04,838
Speaker 3: so it's.

895
00:44:04,838 --> 00:44:06,158
Speaker 2: It's a completely different world.

896
00:44:06,718 --> 00:44:09,078
Speaker 3: But I do think going back, I don't know, Joe,

897
00:44:09,158 --> 00:44:09,998
Speaker 3: did you feel that way?

898
00:44:10,038 --> 00:44:10,278
Speaker 5: For me?

899
00:44:10,638 --> 00:44:11,038
Speaker 2: Anyway?

900
00:44:11,078 --> 00:44:13,998
Speaker 3: It was the downfall of Richard Nixon and the way

901
00:44:13,998 --> 00:44:17,038
Speaker 3: it happened to me, it was like, if our leaders

902
00:44:17,398 --> 00:44:19,558
Speaker 3: are those kind of people doing those kinds of things,

903
00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:23,238
Speaker 3: who can we trust? And it's been a very difficult

904
00:44:23,318 --> 00:44:24,158
Speaker 3: question to answer.

905
00:44:24,678 --> 00:44:27,158
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, what starts in your family, right,

906
00:44:27,238 --> 00:44:29,838
Speaker 4: I mean family, You're the little local community I was

907
00:44:29,838 --> 00:44:33,158
Speaker 4: involved with. It's my parents, my grandparents, man's uncles, you know,

908
00:44:33,238 --> 00:44:36,118
Speaker 4: my friends, my teachers, my coaches. I trusted them all.

909
00:44:36,398 --> 00:44:39,598
Speaker 4: I mean I trusted them. I never I don't even

910
00:44:39,598 --> 00:44:41,638
Speaker 4: know when I started questioning that. I only question the

911
00:44:41,678 --> 00:44:43,558
Speaker 4: fact that they didn't like to w I dressed, you know,

912
00:44:43,718 --> 00:44:45,238
Speaker 4: or in my hair mind be a little bit too long.

913
00:44:45,678 --> 00:44:47,838
Speaker 4: That was the only time I would probably disagree. But

914
00:44:47,878 --> 00:44:51,718
Speaker 4: when it came down to everything else, you respected your elders.

915
00:44:51,758 --> 00:44:54,118
Speaker 4: You listen to your elder's opinion. They really did set

916
00:44:54,118 --> 00:44:57,718
Speaker 4: the tone in regards to how you thought, and you know,

917
00:44:57,878 --> 00:45:01,758
Speaker 4: what your aspirations were all about and your vision for things.

918
00:45:01,798 --> 00:45:02,678
Speaker 5: They kind of set that.

919
00:45:02,798 --> 00:45:07,318
Speaker 4: Eventually, when I started reading for my own, like I said,

920
00:45:07,398 --> 00:45:10,318
Speaker 4: mid seventies to the between seventy five seventy four to

921
00:45:10,398 --> 00:45:13,718
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty, that's when I started reading books. And at

922
00:45:13,718 --> 00:45:16,198
Speaker 4: that point I started creating my own opinions on things.

923
00:45:16,238 --> 00:45:18,078
Speaker 4: And I think that's where my eyes I was like

924
00:45:18,198 --> 00:45:21,718
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one to twenty five, six seven something like that,

925
00:45:21,758 --> 00:45:25,078
Speaker 4: I was able to start creating my own opinions on politics.

926
00:45:25,078 --> 00:45:26,558
Speaker 4: And what I was seeing, and who do I trust

927
00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:28,358
Speaker 4: and who do I don't trust? And what do I

928
00:45:28,398 --> 00:45:29,638
Speaker 4: believe this? Do I not believe this?

929
00:45:29,758 --> 00:45:32,038
Speaker 5: I mean, up to that point, though I did.

930
00:45:32,198 --> 00:45:34,798
Speaker 4: I never, I never questioned that stuff because it had

931
00:45:34,838 --> 00:45:36,478
Speaker 4: to be right, It had to be true, it had

932
00:45:36,518 --> 00:45:39,638
Speaker 4: to be accurate, Catholic school, nuns, priests, whatever, it all

933
00:45:39,678 --> 00:45:41,318
Speaker 4: had to be true. And I had to listen to

934
00:45:41,358 --> 00:45:44,158
Speaker 4: these folks. So you're probably right. I mean, that would

935
00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:47,638
Speaker 4: probably be about the time when you know, people started

936
00:45:47,678 --> 00:45:49,838
Speaker 4: to distrust all that stuff and we didn't always just

937
00:45:49,878 --> 00:45:53,278
Speaker 4: believe whatever we heard. I mean, you know, Walter Cronkite

938
00:45:53,278 --> 00:45:55,078
Speaker 4: and all the guys on the news day they were right,

939
00:45:55,198 --> 00:45:58,198
Speaker 4: they were always right. You would never question that stuff. Never,

940
00:45:58,358 --> 00:46:01,638
Speaker 4: And then into the presidencies, you know, I wasn't a

941
00:46:01,678 --> 00:46:05,198
Speaker 4: student enough, you know, at Ford and Carter and eventually

942
00:46:05,318 --> 00:46:09,078
Speaker 4: gets to Reagan and whatever. I wasn't a student enough, didn't.

943
00:46:09,078 --> 00:46:11,758
Speaker 4: I didn't delve into it deeply enough till eventually I did.

944
00:46:11,758 --> 00:46:12,958
Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, and this is the one thing

945
00:46:12,958 --> 00:46:17,918
Speaker 4: I've always advocated for reading, reading novels, reading books, being

946
00:46:17,918 --> 00:46:21,838
Speaker 4: able to take whatever information is out there that we're

947
00:46:21,838 --> 00:46:24,838
Speaker 4: presented with and then create your own opinions on things.

948
00:46:24,878 --> 00:46:27,118
Speaker 4: We're all plagiarists, we all work from the same sheet

949
00:46:27,158 --> 00:46:29,798
Speaker 4: of music. But eventually, as were able to deep dive

950
00:46:29,878 --> 00:46:31,998
Speaker 4: into stuff and create your own thoughts and opinions, then

951
00:46:32,038 --> 00:46:34,758
Speaker 4: that you kind of owned these thoughts before they were

952
00:46:34,798 --> 00:46:35,678
Speaker 4: somebody else's.

953
00:46:35,998 --> 00:46:37,318
Speaker 5: So I told you before.

954
00:46:37,318 --> 00:46:39,878
Speaker 4: It's Uncle Chuck giving me the book Centennial by Mitchener,

955
00:46:39,878 --> 00:46:42,358
Speaker 4: and then they kept moving on from there. I'm so grateful,

956
00:46:42,398 --> 00:46:45,198
Speaker 4: and I would really encourage and I think read just

957
00:46:45,518 --> 00:46:48,278
Speaker 4: don't read one genre, just one side of anything. Just

958
00:46:48,278 --> 00:46:50,278
Speaker 4: try to read both as an example, and I'll move

959
00:46:50,318 --> 00:46:52,398
Speaker 4: it on. I mean, Leon Irris wrote two great books,

960
00:46:52,438 --> 00:46:56,398
Speaker 4: The Exodus, Exodus and The Hawg which presents both sides

961
00:46:56,678 --> 00:46:58,278
Speaker 4: of a lot of the conflict you're seeing going on

962
00:46:58,318 --> 00:46:59,918
Speaker 4: in the Middle East right now, and I wanted to

963
00:46:59,918 --> 00:47:01,638
Speaker 4: get more up to date. I wanted to be one

964
00:47:01,878 --> 00:47:03,838
Speaker 4: more converse and more understanding of it. So I read

965
00:47:03,998 --> 00:47:05,918
Speaker 4: Exodus first, and then I said, I got to get

966
00:47:05,918 --> 00:47:07,118
Speaker 4: the other side, so I read The Hodge.

967
00:47:07,158 --> 00:47:08,438
Speaker 5: Leon, You're really good writer.

968
00:47:08,958 --> 00:47:11,918
Speaker 4: So people may argue about the authenticity or the accuracy

969
00:47:11,918 --> 00:47:13,718
Speaker 4: of both, but you know, to me, I think they're

970
00:47:13,718 --> 00:47:16,838
Speaker 4: pretty accurate based on what I'm seeing and hearing since then.

971
00:47:17,198 --> 00:47:19,838
Speaker 4: So those are the kind of things to me that

972
00:47:19,878 --> 00:47:23,798
Speaker 4: more people need to do. Get out there and read

973
00:47:23,958 --> 00:47:27,078
Speaker 4: and understand independent of just the box on the wall.

974
00:47:27,158 --> 00:47:28,078
Speaker 5: There's social media.

975
00:47:28,478 --> 00:47:31,558
Speaker 4: Create your own thoughts and opinions based off the information

976
00:47:31,638 --> 00:47:35,718
Speaker 4: that you collect, because bias and truth have really become

977
00:47:35,838 --> 00:47:36,598
Speaker 4: the same word.

978
00:47:36,798 --> 00:47:38,078
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more, Joe.

979
00:47:38,438 --> 00:47:40,998
Speaker 3: It's so important in the world today because we talk

980
00:47:41,038 --> 00:47:45,158
Speaker 3: about trust, and clearly we've lost trust in the institutions.

981
00:47:45,318 --> 00:47:49,798
Speaker 3: So we are by nature trusting people. So where are

982
00:47:49,838 --> 00:47:52,558
Speaker 3: we putting our trust. We're putting more trust in things

983
00:47:52,558 --> 00:47:56,798
Speaker 3: like algorithms, and we're putting trust in like minded things

984
00:47:56,838 --> 00:47:58,878
Speaker 3: and people. Like whatever side of the fence you are,

985
00:47:59,278 --> 00:48:02,358
Speaker 3: you will trust no matter what. It's like someone once

986
00:48:02,398 --> 00:48:04,518
Speaker 3: told me years and years ago, when you're a kid,

987
00:48:04,598 --> 00:48:07,198
Speaker 3: immaturity is a sign of complete trust.

988
00:48:07,278 --> 00:48:09,918
Speaker 2: Like if you have a band that's your favorite band,

989
00:48:10,318 --> 00:48:10,918
Speaker 2: you will.

990
00:48:10,798 --> 00:48:13,158
Speaker 3: Like every piece of music that they put out, no

991
00:48:13,238 --> 00:48:16,758
Speaker 3: matter what, because you will not go against your confirmation

992
00:48:16,878 --> 00:48:17,718
Speaker 3: bias of this band.

993
00:48:17,798 --> 00:48:18,718
Speaker 2: This is your best band.

994
00:48:18,798 --> 00:48:21,078
Speaker 3: Well, maybe some of their songs aren't that good, maybe

995
00:48:21,078 --> 00:48:23,278
Speaker 3: they missed on a certain album but you would never

996
00:48:23,318 --> 00:48:25,438
Speaker 3: admit that that's a sign of immaturity.

997
00:48:25,678 --> 00:48:27,158
Speaker 2: And yet we're doing that as adults.

998
00:48:27,558 --> 00:48:29,958
Speaker 3: Like as you said, just the complete buy in without

999
00:48:30,038 --> 00:48:33,158
Speaker 3: understanding both sides of an argument or a point has

1000
00:48:33,238 --> 00:48:33,798
Speaker 3: been lacking.

1001
00:48:33,878 --> 00:48:35,998
Speaker 2: So that's where the trust is. We've simplified it.

1002
00:48:36,038 --> 00:48:38,878
Speaker 3: We don't trust institutions, but we trust our side of

1003
00:48:38,878 --> 00:48:39,278
Speaker 3: the fence.

1004
00:48:39,798 --> 00:48:43,718
Speaker 4: Bingo, that's that's really right on the money. You know,

1005
00:48:43,838 --> 00:48:48,078
Speaker 4: we are attracted to familiar situations, people, moments, and that's

1006
00:48:48,118 --> 00:48:49,798
Speaker 4: that's always going to be that way. Of course, it's

1007
00:48:50,518 --> 00:48:53,638
Speaker 4: that makes sense. But while you're doing that, I've always

1008
00:48:53,958 --> 00:48:58,158
Speaker 4: uh wanted to view the other side and even take

1009
00:48:58,198 --> 00:49:01,278
Speaker 4: my baseball life. I mean, I was probably one of

1010
00:49:01,278 --> 00:49:04,838
Speaker 4: the first and maybe maybe the first to really get

1011
00:49:04,838 --> 00:49:07,718
Speaker 4: into the analytical side of this whole thing. I would say,

1012
00:49:08,238 --> 00:49:12,278
Speaker 4: this is crazy. But in the eighties I told myself,

1013
00:49:12,798 --> 00:49:13,278
Speaker 4: I'm coach.

1014
00:49:13,358 --> 00:49:15,598
Speaker 5: I'm coaching scouting.

1015
00:49:15,798 --> 00:49:17,678
Speaker 4: Mid eighties, I said to myself, I need to become

1016
00:49:17,678 --> 00:49:21,398
Speaker 4: more analytical. I spread that to myself and I did.

1017
00:49:21,518 --> 00:49:23,798
Speaker 4: And so what did I I bought books. I bought books,

1018
00:49:23,798 --> 00:49:27,558
Speaker 4: and weirdly, I started like with things like the Seven

1019
00:49:27,598 --> 00:49:31,158
Speaker 4: Habits of Highly Successful People by Stephen Kobe as an example,

1020
00:49:31,238 --> 00:49:34,718
Speaker 4: I took a Carnegie class in Phoenix. I sed joy

1021
00:49:34,798 --> 00:49:37,878
Speaker 4: of this class once a week. I needed I needed

1022
00:49:37,878 --> 00:49:41,358
Speaker 4: to be challenged more thoughtfully because I wasn't.

1023
00:49:41,358 --> 00:49:42,918
Speaker 5: I mean, small town.

1024
00:49:43,198 --> 00:49:46,558
Speaker 4: You know, the same neighborhood, you know, same group of people,

1025
00:49:46,598 --> 00:49:51,238
Speaker 4: same like, you're saying, same, same, same set of thoughts, principles,

1026
00:49:51,278 --> 00:49:53,678
Speaker 4: whatever I values, everything was the same. I needed to

1027
00:49:53,718 --> 00:49:56,678
Speaker 4: understand what the other side was all about, and I

1028
00:49:56,678 --> 00:49:58,678
Speaker 4: had to get I had to find out on my own.

1029
00:49:59,358 --> 00:50:01,718
Speaker 4: And so how do I become more analytical? And then

1030
00:50:01,758 --> 00:50:04,118
Speaker 4: as I moved it forward, it was the first to

1031
00:50:04,118 --> 00:50:07,278
Speaker 4: get a computer. I have this heavy Tashiba laptop. I

1032
00:50:07,318 --> 00:50:10,038
Speaker 4: swear it late weigh twenty pounds. I tote that around

1033
00:50:10,118 --> 00:50:12,718
Speaker 4: everywhere with me. You know, guys are making fun of

1034
00:50:12,718 --> 00:50:15,278
Speaker 4: me for that. Then I carried a video camera around

1035
00:50:15,598 --> 00:50:17,518
Speaker 4: as a roving hitting instructor. Was a pain in the

1036
00:50:17,558 --> 00:50:19,838
Speaker 4: butt on airplanes and stuff, but I took it anyway.

1037
00:50:20,518 --> 00:50:22,638
Speaker 4: And so eventually it comes to mid nineties and I

1038
00:50:22,678 --> 00:50:26,398
Speaker 4: created my own method of scouting that I still have

1039
00:50:26,438 --> 00:50:28,638
Speaker 4: my Google Drive, I have all my forms from there.

1040
00:50:28,718 --> 00:50:31,438
Speaker 4: That this was all part of my evolution. But I

1041
00:50:31,438 --> 00:50:33,758
Speaker 4: felt that it was necessary to do that. Nobody was

1042
00:50:33,798 --> 00:50:35,798
Speaker 4: there to show me how to do it. I had

1043
00:50:35,838 --> 00:50:37,638
Speaker 4: to figure it out for myself. How do you do that?

1044
00:50:38,078 --> 00:50:40,038
Speaker 5: You read and you read, and you read.

1045
00:50:39,918 --> 00:50:43,558
Speaker 4: Other people's thoughts on this subject, and eventually you put

1046
00:50:43,638 --> 00:50:47,318
Speaker 4: them to pen the paper, thought to other people, whatever,

1047
00:50:47,358 --> 00:50:50,438
Speaker 4: and then they become your own. And that's the part

1048
00:50:50,478 --> 00:50:54,518
Speaker 4: I think that's underutilized anywhere, even like AI is going

1049
00:50:54,518 --> 00:50:55,718
Speaker 4: to make it even easier. I have a lot of

1050
00:50:55,718 --> 00:50:57,758
Speaker 4: friends telling me, Matt, I love AI going there. I,

1051
00:50:59,318 --> 00:51:02,198
Speaker 4: you know, imprint something in there and it answers me correctly,

1052
00:51:02,278 --> 00:51:04,558
Speaker 4: right down to the point it'll write a letter for me. Wow,

1053
00:51:05,158 --> 00:51:07,598
Speaker 4: how could you possibly want the machine to write a

1054
00:51:07,678 --> 00:51:10,118
Speaker 4: letter for you and your thoughts? Well, why would you

1055
00:51:10,158 --> 00:51:12,238
Speaker 4: possibly want that to put something on a piece of

1056
00:51:12,278 --> 00:51:14,078
Speaker 4: paper and then sign your name to it.

1057
00:51:14,118 --> 00:51:14,878
Speaker 5: I don't get that.

1058
00:51:15,318 --> 00:51:17,398
Speaker 4: So these are the things I learned, and I would

1059
00:51:17,438 --> 00:51:21,158
Speaker 4: say my whole blossoming occurred in the eighties. I'm a

1060
00:51:21,198 --> 00:51:25,598
Speaker 4: millennial when it comes to baseball, and my mind finally

1061
00:51:25,638 --> 00:51:29,118
Speaker 4: waking up or pretty much waking up, and I'm so

1062
00:51:29,198 --> 00:51:29,838
Speaker 4: grateful for that.

1063
00:51:29,918 --> 00:51:31,038
Speaker 5: And it started with one book.

1064
00:51:31,278 --> 00:51:33,598
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to ask you to dive into that

1065
00:51:33,638 --> 00:51:35,798
Speaker 3: mind one more time here and for our thought of

1066
00:51:35,798 --> 00:51:38,718
Speaker 3: the day, as we always end the Book of Joe podcast. Now,

1067
00:51:38,718 --> 00:51:40,878
Speaker 3: I'd be perfectly okay if you wanted to repeat the

1068
00:51:40,918 --> 00:51:42,398
Speaker 3: story about the pony and.

1069
00:51:42,318 --> 00:51:43,198
Speaker 2: Then Pylo minor.

1070
00:51:43,358 --> 00:51:47,238
Speaker 3: But knowing you, I'm sure you have something new and

1071
00:51:47,638 --> 00:51:48,518
Speaker 3: just as impressive.

1072
00:51:48,598 --> 00:51:49,838
Speaker 2: So what do you got for us today?

1073
00:51:50,038 --> 00:51:52,558
Speaker 4: Well, it is it's like everything we've been talking about.

1074
00:51:52,598 --> 00:51:54,758
Speaker 4: I swear you know, I've been talking a lot of people.

1075
00:51:54,798 --> 00:51:56,198
Speaker 4: A lot of people are coming to dinner with me.

1076
00:51:56,478 --> 00:51:59,638
Speaker 4: I was with Kevin Maloney of The Night, former GM

1077
00:51:59,798 --> 00:52:02,918
Speaker 4: of the Dodgers and the expos last night. I was

1078
00:52:02,958 --> 00:52:05,518
Speaker 4: at TJ McFarlane, who's now working for in my company

1079
00:52:05,558 --> 00:52:08,998
Speaker 4: that handles finances and stuff for me, with Brett Demas

1080
00:52:09,038 --> 00:52:12,558
Speaker 4: for sitting there and the conversation always, you know, evolves

1081
00:52:12,558 --> 00:52:14,678
Speaker 4: around what's going on, and they're always asking me questions.

1082
00:52:14,718 --> 00:52:16,838
Speaker 4: But one of my big things right now is who's

1083
00:52:16,838 --> 00:52:19,438
Speaker 4: passing it on? Who's passing it on? You're talking about

1084
00:52:19,438 --> 00:52:23,998
Speaker 4: minor leagues specifically. Everybody talks about how the game is

1085
00:52:24,038 --> 00:52:28,798
Speaker 4: in such a great place, and I understand there's so

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Speaker 4: many wonderful looking athletes out there, but the part of

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Speaker 4: the game that's not in a great place for me

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Speaker 4: is who's passing the game along, and that's the minor leagues,

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Speaker 4: and who's coaching within the minor leagues passing it on.

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Speaker 4: So passing it on in a cultural context refers to

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Speaker 4: cultural transmission. So that thing that's so important, the process

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Speaker 4: by which knowledge, values, traditions, language, and behaviors are shared

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Speaker 4: and preserved across generations. It ensures the continuity of cultural

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Speaker 4: identity and heritage. So it's everything we've just been talking about.

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Speaker 4: I found that before, and I absolutely firmly, a thousand

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Speaker 4: percent believe in that, and I think that's part of

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Speaker 4: what our crisis is or what everybody's upset about. Don't

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Speaker 4: be afraid to protect and encourage and support your cultural

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Speaker 4: identity and heritage across the board for the years that

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Speaker 4: was passed along to you. So I'm talking in the

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Speaker 4: baseball sense. I'd really like to see more of a

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Speaker 4: proliferation of the minor leagues hiring of people that have

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Speaker 4: been there before and done that. Everybody talks about diversity,

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Speaker 4: but nobody talks about generational diversity, and I think that.

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Speaker 5: Is so valuable.

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Speaker 4: You know, you get your different levels of coaches within

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Speaker 4: an organization, all able to do different jobs and serve

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Speaker 4: different functions.

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Speaker 5: But if you just if you turn the blind eye to.

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Speaker 4: The cultural generational diversity, then you're really missing out on

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Speaker 4: the probably the elemented system of wisdom, experience, intuition, been there,

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Speaker 4: done that kind of stuff, because that's not nearly valued

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Speaker 4: as much as it had been in the past. That

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Speaker 4: was my thought for the day, and bang, it just

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Speaker 4: really fits into what we're talking.

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Speaker 2: About, absolutely cultural transmission.

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Speaker 3: I love it, and I love the WBC and Joe,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you will start tuning in as we get

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Speaker 3: to the so called knockout round when we've got actual

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Speaker 3: major leaguers going up against major leaguers with a lot

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Speaker 3: of pride on the line.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Joe, We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 5: Thank you brother.

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