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Speaker 1: Texas A and M is a school We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to you later. A great deal of prospects on horizon there,

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Speaker 1: specifically from a defensive standpoint. And then Iowa, which is

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Speaker 1: the team we're gonna start with. You know, you think

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Speaker 1: comes down to do you prefer the guy who's going

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Speaker 1: who's the more all around of the players? Uh, there's

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Speaker 1: but the team is saying to themselves, we're not going

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Speaker 1: all of those things you need to keep in the

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Speaker 1: Hawkeyes prospects that are getting set to hear their names

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Speaker 1: called in the upcoming two thousand nineteen NFL Draft, which

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Speaker 1: by Rob how he's the lead writer for Hawkeye Nation

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time house everything today, Thanks for having Thanks

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Speaker 1: very much for joining us. And why don't we just

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Speaker 1: like apples or do you like orange? Is better? Because

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Speaker 1: It's just a matter of which guy fits better into

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Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Hey? How are you guys? Heye, Paul,

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Speaker 1: to go into top ten. I think he could easily

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Speaker 1: be selected outside of the town. Does seem to me

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Speaker 1: that for most of the folks that I've surveyed, they

432
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Speaker 1: think he's a top fifteen. There are some who do

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Speaker 1: think he's a top ten, and there are a few

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Speaker 1: others who think he could be as high as the

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Speaker 1: giants at six. Uh. Top ten seems to be honestly

436
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Speaker 1: where most of the people who I talked to say,

437
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Speaker 1: but I have seen top fifteen. Seventeen just seems to

438
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Speaker 1: me way too far from him. I'll tell you what,

439
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Speaker 1: if somebody gets him that low, and my goodness, if

440
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Speaker 1: he should be there at seventeen for the Giants, I

441
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Speaker 1: would run up to that podium so quick you could

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Speaker 1: not even see the bolt of lightning. That's how fast

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Speaker 1: I would grab him at seventeen. Well, remember, there's a

444
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Speaker 1: lot of depth at that position, so depending on if

445
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Speaker 1: teams move up trade, they go after other positions. That's

446
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Speaker 1: why I don't think it's crazy to see maybe some

447
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Speaker 1: of these pass rushers fall, so you know what, you

448
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Speaker 1: know what hurts him. There are other guys who are

449
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Speaker 1: more dynamic, highlight player pass rushers coming off of the edge.

450
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Speaker 1: Ferrell is just a really good, solid, sound pass rusher

451
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Speaker 1: who also does a really good job of holding the

452
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Speaker 1: edge against the run. Okay, he is a two way

453
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Speaker 1: defensive end. His style, his category. I'm not gonna say

454
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Speaker 1: him physically or or or his actual talent level, but

455
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Speaker 1: he's in the style of Justin Tuck. Okay, that's the

456
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Speaker 1: kind of player he is. He's a really good pass

457
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Speaker 1: rusher who also is very strong and it is very

458
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Speaker 1: aggressive and holds the edge and will play the run

459
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Speaker 1: as well. Okay, as opposed to maybe somebody like goes

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Speaker 1: to human Eura who's more of an highlight pass rusher

461
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Speaker 1: and less of a hold the edge. Got more flashes

462
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Speaker 1: you get from there? Okay, you won't get as many

463
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Speaker 1: uh tuck you know, Sports Center highlights as you will

464
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Speaker 1: from human Eura. But it depends on what it is

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Speaker 1: you're looking for. To me, Clellen Ferrell would be a

466
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Speaker 1: dynamite if the Giants were a four three scheme, would

467
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Speaker 1: be a no brainer for me. I would be I

468
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Speaker 1: would be sprinting to the podium for him at number six.

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Speaker 1: I actually love Clelon Ferrell's game because he plays the

470
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Speaker 1: run in the past, with a motor, with power, with technique.

471
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Speaker 1: He does everything you want in a winning ball player

472
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Speaker 1: who's gonna help you in both facets of the game.

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Speaker 1: My issue is bet your plays the three four with

474
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Speaker 1: the multiple fronts. He wants to disguise a lot of

475
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Speaker 1: stuff and he's really hot to have that guy off

476
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Speaker 1: the edge who's gonna be a dynamic pass rusher. I

477
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Speaker 1: would love to pick Ferrell if if I were at

478
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Speaker 1: six making the selection, I suspect Montez Sweat is a

479
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Speaker 1: better fit for what Betcher does in his scheme. Stand

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Speaker 1: up guy, more speed and quickness, that athleticism, more of

481
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Speaker 1: a pure dynamic get to the quarterback guy off of

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Speaker 1: the edge, which is why I suspect I would put

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Speaker 1: my money down on Sweat being their pick instead of

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Speaker 1: Ferrell if they're given the chance. Myself, because I'm a

485
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Speaker 1: standard for three guy, to be honest with you, and

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Speaker 1: I like the two way player, I would pick Ferrell

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Speaker 1: if I had the chance to pick him, But again,

488
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Speaker 1: my coaches would then say to me, well, the other

489
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Speaker 1: guy fits my scheme better. What are you? What are

490
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Speaker 1: you doing? So that's where my dilemma is. I I

491
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Speaker 1: think both of those guys deserve consideration in that spot well.

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Speaker 1: And when you think of a Betcher pass rusher, to me,

493
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Speaker 1: at least a recent exa apple is Chandler Jones, who

494
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Speaker 1: also went from New England to Arizona, and there were

495
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Speaker 1: questions about him moving around. Has that going to affect him?

496
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Speaker 1: And he thrived? So you know, that's the type of

497
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Speaker 1: player that I think Betcher would be extremely attracted to.

498
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Sweat is a Jason Taylor type of player. Guy Ferrell's

499
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Speaker 1: a Justin Tuck type of player. It's a very fair parallel.

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Speaker 1: So so you know what, again, apples and oranges, Which

501
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Speaker 1: type of fruit do you need for what it is

502
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Speaker 1: that you're doing to be effective within the system. That's

503
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Speaker 1: what makes it such a dilemma for me because I

504
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Speaker 1: really really really dig Clayland Farreller's game big time. But

505
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Speaker 1: we'll see. Let's head back to the phone lines. Jose

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Speaker 1: is in Orlando. Jose, Welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Hey, fellows, how you guys doing

508
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Speaker 1: all right? Dude rights, Hey, yeah, we hear you a

509
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Speaker 1: lot of clear What do you got for us? Alright?

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Speaker 1: Love this show? Um, just a little quick observation. You

511
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Speaker 1: know what I haven't seen in I love you guys,

512
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Speaker 1: but I haven't seen Solid in a while. He still

513
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: with the Big Blue Kickoff line. He just doesn't do

514
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Speaker 1: the show in the all season all right, I've got you.

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Speaker 1: So Lance and Polly, I have a quick scenario, and

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Speaker 1: I know we got a lot of call us trying

517
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Speaker 1: to make this as quick as possible. Polly, I do

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Speaker 1: love the scenario, the analogy that you gave as far

519
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Speaker 1: as Colin Tartle because he's one of my favorites as well.

520
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Speaker 1: But and I agree with Lands still they are. I've

521
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Speaker 1: seen some months that he's dropping down a seventeen. I'll

522
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Speaker 1: tell you what my dream draft, because I'm not one

523
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Speaker 1: of these guys as hollowing quarterback. My dream draft would

524
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Speaker 1: be Devin White as six and Clinton Tarrow at seventeen.

525
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Speaker 1: That's my ultimate. I'll be just jumping doing cart wheels

526
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Speaker 1: all over my house. But well, I'd be thrilled with

527
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Speaker 1: Farrell at seventeen because that would be a a highway

528
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Speaker 1: robbery and a heist for the ages. But but I'm

529
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Speaker 1: not with you. I'm not with you on the l

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Speaker 1: s U linebacker at six. I think that would be

531
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Speaker 1: a terrible overdrafting mistake. Well, I mean, and you know what,

532
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Speaker 1: that's great. But I'll tell you one thing I like

533
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Speaker 1: about Devin White, and you go back and you see

534
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Speaker 1: the film. Not only that, but he's a culture changer

535
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: type of guy. He's a leader. I see him like

536
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Speaker 1: he's very voiceous and he makes players around him better,

537
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Speaker 1: kind of like in the Call, kind of like in

538
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Speaker 1: the ray Lewis Mold. I'm not saying he's Ray Lewis.

539
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he has those leadership skills, that ability,

540
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Speaker 1: and that's something that we we crave a Giants fans

541
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Speaker 1: from a linebacker. We haven't had that in gotten those

542
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Speaker 1: how long he's Yeah, he's a tremendous athlete, and he

543
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Speaker 1: does make a lot of splash plays. But there are

544
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Speaker 1: two things that I want you to watch. When you

545
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Speaker 1: go back and look at some of the highlights, if

546
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Speaker 1: you can get ahold of some of them on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: I want you to look for miss tackles, which in

548
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: the NFL will absolutely drive coaches batty. And he does

549
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of mis tackles and that's just not cool. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then the second thing is what about when you're

551
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Speaker 1: when you're middle linebacker, who you want him to be

552
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: on the field for three downs? Well, I worry about

553
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: his coverage skills. We talked to Brian brought us, the

554
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Speaker 1: former NFL scout who has a Super Bowl ring. He

555
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Speaker 1: does a lot of shows with the Dallas Cowboys, and

556
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Speaker 1: he's an LSU grad, so he knows a ton about

557
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Speaker 1: him and he he alerted John and I when we

558
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Speaker 1: were at the combine and we talked to him about

559
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Speaker 1: him and and you know, neither one of us, you know,

560
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: really thought much about the coverage aspect of it. And

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Speaker 1: he goes, We'll wait the second fellows go back and

562
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Speaker 1: look at the archive on our combine shows brought us

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Speaker 1: said flat out, don't even think about asking him to cover.

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Speaker 1: He's a two down linebacker. Well, I can't take a

565
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Speaker 1: two down linebacker at six. There's not enough value in that. Well,

566
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Speaker 1: and Jose, let's say we're gonna let you go on

567
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Speaker 1: that note because we're up against the wall here with

568
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Speaker 1: respect to a guest. Yeah, well, let's say, well, we'll

569
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Speaker 1: let you get in on a future show. We gotta

570
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: we got a guest line ahead. He's a four or

571
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Speaker 1: five guy. Stand. Yeah, but he's gotta he's gotta be

572
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: able to he's got to turn and twist and get

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Speaker 1: back in coverage if you've gotta be a three down

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Speaker 1: guy and the missing tackles technique. All right, Well, here's

575
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Speaker 1: the other take care. The other thing is the Giants

576
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Speaker 1: haven't drafted a linebacker in the first rounds. That's number one, okay,

577
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Speaker 1: And I'll continue to remind the audience about that until

578
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Speaker 1: that happens. So for those of you trying to sell

579
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Speaker 1: us on a linebacker number two. Dave Gentleman took two

580
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Speaker 1: linebackers during his tenure as Panthers GM. He did not

581
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Speaker 1: draft Luke. Kikley came in the year following he took

582
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Speaker 1: Shack Thompson, but that was a late first round pick overall,

583
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Speaker 1: and Thompson's really a versatile in between hybrid guy. And

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Speaker 1: then he wound up taking A J. Klein in the

585
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Speaker 1: fifth round in thirteen. So once again, perspective is important,

586
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Speaker 1: I think when you evaluate that. Speaking of perspective to

587
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Speaker 1: provide now Texas A and M's prospects as we continue

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Speaker 1: to move forward with teams entering the NFL Draft were

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Speaker 1: now drawn by Andrew Monica, play by play voice for

590
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Speaker 1: the Texas A and m Aggis. Andrew, you got Lance Medal,

591
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: Paulatino here with you on Big Luke kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. Appreciate the time. How's everything it is

593
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: doing well? Thank you so much for having me. Great

594
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: to talk with you guys. Thank you so much. Andrew.

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Speaker 1: You know, if this was a couple of years ago,

596
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Speaker 1: we'd be asking you about Johnny Manzel, uh, but that's

597
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Speaker 1: not the case. That's not the case. This is this

598
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Speaker 1: is two thousand nineteen and UH being to play by

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Speaker 1: a playboice down there, Texas, A and M. We know

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Speaker 1: that you have certainly monitored all of these prospects over

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Speaker 1: the course of the last season. Let's just go right

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Speaker 1: to the top and talk about Eric McCoy because he

603
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Speaker 1: is a very, very strong center and obviously if you're

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Speaker 1: going to play in that program, you better be physical

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Speaker 1: and tough and powerful. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks are gonna be real happy when they see him

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Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah, and he's very he's very smart.

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Speaker 1: That's that was the big thing that jumped out with

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Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher was how bright Eric McCoy was. And Eric,

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Speaker 1: you know, these are all guys that that came in

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Speaker 1: under Kevin Sumlin and all bought into Jimbo Fisher. And

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Speaker 1: it was a complete change of style going from that

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Speaker 1: spread to the pro style, UH that Jimbo Fisher brought

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Speaker 1: to this team last year. The other change for Eric

615
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Speaker 1: McCoy is he never had anybody or center until last year.

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Speaker 1: Everything was always out of the shotgun for for Eric

617
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Speaker 1: adapted beautifully smartest guy on the offensive line. He was

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Speaker 1: that leader if you will for that for that offensive

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Speaker 1: line dependable um As I told you bright, he picks

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Speaker 1: up everything. Um and you know, without him, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Kellen mind as quarterback develops the way he does.

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Speaker 1: Eric has told us on Pro Day that he has

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Speaker 1: been talking to teams about playing center, but he can

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Speaker 1: also play guards, so there's that versatility. Do do know

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Speaker 1: that he had a good Senior Bowl um as well,

626
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Speaker 1: But he's just really bright and and and I expect

627
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Speaker 1: Eric McCoy uh to go rather quickly. He's hearing somewhere

628
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Speaker 1: in the in the second round that would be outstanding.

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Speaker 1: I think some team is gonna be very fortunate to

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Speaker 1: get him. Well. I think that's appealing that you brought

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Speaker 1: up the fact that he can play guard as well,

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Speaker 1: because that's gonna make him even more attractive to prospective

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Speaker 1: NFL teams from an evaluation standpoint, Andrew, and you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're in the se see, you're usually going up

635
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: against top caliber competition every single week. So it's not

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Speaker 1: so much that he hasn't been tested, But how do

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Speaker 1: you think he held up when he was tested week

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Speaker 1: to week with respect to run blocking in the past

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Speaker 1: rush overall, what I What I found interesting with this

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Speaker 1: entire offensive line and with McCoy being the leader, is

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Speaker 1: you know, the second week A and M plays Clemson.

642
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: In the fourth week, it's Alabama. Then you've got to

643
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: take on Mississippi States front line. Jimbo Fisher always says, look,

644
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: it's the guys who put their hands in the dirt. Um.

645
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: There were not many shots on Kellen mont He got

646
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: he he got hit some, but not an awful lot.

647
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: This this offensive line really takes pride in in protecting

648
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: and look, we know in Texas A and M some

649
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: great offensive linemen have have come in and under Jim Turner,

650
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: who was the offensive line coach last year. Now with

651
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: with Cincinnati, UH, there was a lot of pride in

652
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: that you did not see McCoy getting beat very often. UH.

653
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: And and this line. Reason why I said that is

654
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: everybody always talked about the defensive lines or the front

655
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: sevens that that the A and M offensive line was

656
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: going up against. And there was this point of pride like,

657
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: you know what, watch us, Uh, we're we're we're pretty

658
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: good ourselves and they and they kind of took it

659
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: upon themselves. So it was a reason why tray ViOn

660
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: Williams was the leading rusher in the SEC. This offensive

661
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: line loved him, said, we really didn't need a lot

662
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: of daylight for Trayvion, and Trayvion had so much respect

663
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: for these guys. But with with Eric McCoy, you did

664
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: not see that that rush up the middle and and

665
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: forcing Kellen to to roll out because he didn't have

666
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: to have the time. He did very well. I hear

667
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: his hands were really that was the one thing that

668
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: I kept reading out of the out of the Senior

669
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: ball his hands and there was a little bit of

670
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 1: an explosiveness as well. I found it interesting that it

671
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: was A and M playing NC State. The two centers

672
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: for those two schools in the Dator Bowl are probably

673
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: going to go one and two. Yeah. Uh, let's stick

674
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: in the trenches here because we know that Dave Gentleman

675
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: loves his hog Molly's. There's a guy who I did

676
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: some filmwork on, Dalen Mack. I think he's a three

677
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: four nose tackle only a two down player because I

678
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: see him being very powerful. He can anchor, very good

679
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: against the run, space eater. I think he can take

680
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: on double teams. I don't see much of a pass

681
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: rusher or push on him. So I think he's a

682
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: first and second down player. But my goodness, if you're

683
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: looking for a run stuff for in the middle of

684
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: a three four, I think Dalen Mack is going to

685
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: make an NFL team. Very happy boy. I everybody is

686
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: really proud of Dalen for the senior year that he had.

687
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: He came out of high school very highly thought I've

688
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: had an okay freshman year, but not an okay sophomore

689
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: or junior year and comes back. Now there were some

690
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: personal when I say personal things, his parents were being

691
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: divorced and he and that became personal. But he knew

692
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: with Jimbo and his defensive line, with Kingsley Kiki, with

693
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Landis Durham, with Justin Mattabike, who's gonna stay and be

694
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: a junior for A and M. Dalen had his best

695
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: season at A and M. And he was he was

696
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: absolutely terrific. The strength of Dalen, I'm telling you, he's

697
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: it is the best way to describe him. Wide. But

698
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: he is not slow, you know, But but you're you're right.

699
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: He he takes up that space. And I'm telling you

700
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: that the times that I watched him, you had to

701
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: be concerned about about Dalen and there was a reason

702
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: I thought that defensive line really grew last year, and

703
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I think he was a very big reason. It's probably

704
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: the most unsexy position in football is that are those

705
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, those interior on the defensive line. But I

706
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: think they mean the world to any kind of success

707
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: for defense. And I think I think Dalen was terrific

708
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: uh last year, and he was an integral part for

709
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: for this defense. And as you guys were saying, you

710
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: have to be able to play that in the SEC

711
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: and I thought Dalen Mack it was his best season

712
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: at a n M. Well, you're right, there's space eaters.

713
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I think you bring up an excellent point, Andrews. It's

714
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: very difficult to evaluate the guys who don't necessarily jump

715
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: out to you from a box score perspective. You brought

716
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: up Kingsley Kiki, and that's where I want to go.

717
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: A fellow defensive lineman for Texas A and M, somebody

718
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: who really has a knack for getting into the backfield.

719
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: How much upside do you see out of him as

720
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: he now makes the transition from college to the pros.

721
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: He's intriguing. He dropped twenty pounds in the off season.

722
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: Uh and instead of being just as a tackle, they

723
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: could put him at the end. Now A and M

724
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: had lost Michael Clemens to a to a foot injury,

725
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: so he had to go to the outside. I'm intrigued

726
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: if he can play both what weight he's going to

727
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: be at for or if with with the team that

728
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: selects him or the team that he signs with. I

729
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: wonder if that versatility will do him well because he

730
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: had played interior and then goes to the outside. But

731
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: the way he changed his body lost those twenty pounds

732
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: but was strong. You know, It's funny in Jimbo Fisher's

733
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: office one one time we're getting I'm getting an interview

734
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: for a Saturday and he's talking with a former g

735
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: A when he was at Auburn who's now with the

736
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: now in the NFL, And he was talking about twitch

737
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: and trigger and all those guys on the defensive line.

738
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: He was really really appreciated the way that defensive line

739
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: got out and with and with Kingsley Kinki to adapt

740
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: to the new role again. I wonder if that versatility

741
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: of knowing how to play inside and outside will help

742
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: him on the next level. Let me let me ask

743
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: you something though, would concern me about him? And I

744
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: I say projection. I have here written on my my

745
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: notes four three defensive tackle or three four defensive end,

746
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: uh to fit the scheme of the pro game. But

747
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: I also wrote notes down that they had him at

748
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: six three eight is what they measured about. Apparently at

749
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: the combine, I wrote down questions about his pursuing skills

750
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: and also his motor. Apparently, you know, when I looked

751
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: at the tape, I'm only looking at my notes now,

752
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: there was some inconsistencies in terms of him getting after it.

753
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: Did you see that much at all? Uh? D that

754
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: for for that front four? No? And that's that's a

755
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: funny thing because relied so much on that front floor.

756
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: But as the season went on, they developed a and

757
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: m developed some depth. And if you guys know Jimbo Fisher,

758
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: if you're not going to give it, he's gonna you know,

759
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: he's going to take you out and and put someone

760
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: else in. Now the youngster like a Bobby Brown and

761
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: a Tyree Johnson, they also played. They were in and out.

762
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: But but Kingsley was definitely one of those people that

763
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: you had to have in there. For for A and M.

764
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: Now was that adjustment to him going on the outside,

765
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: because you guys know that's very different, the two very

766
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: different positions, um and and it makes me wonder, you know,

767
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: adjusting to the new weights, uh to do you have that?

768
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Do you have that speed? Do you have that pursuit?

769
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: I I will say that in every big game for

770
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: A and M that there was a defensive play made

771
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: the usually there was a turning point Kingsley, Kiki was

772
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: making a sack. I'm thinking about the Kentucky game that

773
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: moved them just far enough away that the field goal

774
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: attempt in overtime hit the crossbar. Without that sack, Kentucky

775
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: catch those points. Kiki seemed to make a big play

776
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: at a certain point and to keep to be a

777
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: turning point. Can he do it every snap? Which is

778
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: what he's going to have to do on the next level.

779
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to find out, all right. So

780
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: let's let me see if I understand correctly. So maybe

781
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm misinterpreting some of the motor for maybe some lack

782
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: of intuition because he was trying to learn the different position,

783
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: and maybe he didn't have the instinctiveness or the assertiveness

784
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: of what it was he was being asked to do.

785
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: Is that maybe a fair fair way to claim I'd

786
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: be I'd be really interested to see, like if you

787
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: were to watch his first game against Northwestern State or

788
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: or Clemson and then watch his last game and see

789
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: if that instinct kicked in, you know, throughout the fall.

790
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: And like I said, working with Jerry Schmidt, I don't

791
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: think you're ever gonna worry about his motor. Will Kensley King,

792
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: I think he's one of those He's he is a

793
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: very driven, a very driven person. We're talking with Andrew Monico,

794
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: play by play voice for Texas A and M on

795
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: the Aggy Sports Network. Another player on the defensive line,

796
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Andrew and interesting when you look just at the production

797
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: land is Durham And the reason I bring him up

798
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: so Miles Garrett goes to the NFL and then he

799
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: winds up leading A and M with ten and a

800
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: half sacks two years ago, and now you look at

801
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: his production in two thousand eighteen, not devastating, but certainly

802
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: dropped off a tad. What do you make of why

803
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Durham wasn't necessarily putting up the numbers he did two

804
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: years ago? He is a converted line you go back

805
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: the converted linebacker who goes to that outside and last

806
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: year was a very good year. I think it's a

807
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: combination of he had more talent as well, but don't

808
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: you also get that. I think early on a lot

809
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: of people were keen on Durham because they see those numbers,

810
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: But you know, he's I always looked at it like this,

811
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: like we talked about Mac and we talked about Kingsley

812
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: changing his body, and Justin Mattabek is the one that

813
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: Coach Fisher absolutely loved that we kind of I don't

814
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: want to say, forget about Landa's Durham, but when you're

815
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: so dependable, you don't always get that sizzle, you know

816
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: what I mean to me, that was that was Landi's

817
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: Durham and I and I think about the South Carolina game,

818
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: He's another one makes a huge stop, forces South Carolina

819
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: to punt, and the Agonies keep the ball nearly the

820
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: entire fourth quarter and they and they get a road win.

821
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: I found him to be really dependable all season long.

822
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: He's he's he's very thoughtful. That's the one. That's the

823
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: one thing I have to say about all these guys.

824
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed as student athletes. I think they're one

825
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: on one meetings with teams are going to go a

826
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: long way one. I think they're respectful. I think they

827
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: can play, and I think they can also be taught.

828
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: I think they can learn and learn very quickly. I

829
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: just to me, it's like you saw forty six on

830
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: the end and you kind of you kind of looked

831
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,479
Speaker 1: at someone else. It's like because you kind of knew

832
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: that Landis Durham was gonna be there every place. That's

833
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: that's how I take it with with Durham. The numbers

834
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: may have been down a little bit because they may

835
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: have keyed on him a little bit more, But I

836
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: really like the way that he that he finished these

837
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: these seasons, and and that's it's gonna be tough for

838
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: A and M to replace guys like this. Like Jimbo

839
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: always says, you have to you have to put it

840
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: on film. These guys put it on film. This next crew,

841
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: I think they'll learn from these guys. I think I

842
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: think they're leaving a solid legacy and a solid foundation.

843
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: After Jimbo's first season, Andrew, last guy I want to

844
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: ask you about. You mentioned him earlier when we first

845
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: started the conversation running back Trevion Williams. A lot of

846
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: folks think he could be a third down back in

847
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: the league. We know he's a little bit commutative at

848
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: five eight, but two of it in six pounds is

849
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: nothing to sneeze at. So he's got a little bit

850
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: of beef on his bones. This kid is strong, is driven. Uh.

851
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: This is also one of the nicest student athletes I've

852
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: ever made. I love the way that he's represented this university. Uh.

853
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: The thing about trey ViOn and talking with Jimbo every

854
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: week is Coach Fisher would mention in time and again

855
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: a block that tray ViOn made that was key for

856
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: a play. How he picked up, uh someone who was blessing,

857
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: how he kicked out somebody for this for this run.

858
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: And then they got the ball in his hands a

859
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: little bit more because he said, we've got to get

860
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: the ball in number five hands more often so so

861
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: catching the ball out of the backfield. Strong, tough, Um,

862
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: this is one determined young man. Wonderful families. It's it's

863
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: a I. I say that plural because uh, he's he

864
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: has an extended family that that drives him he's out

865
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: of that Houston area. I really I really like this

866
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: young man and I hope that that he does wonders

867
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: for a team. I think there is a place for him. Um.

868
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: I just loved what he did last year. Uh, he

869
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: took it upon himself. Again. Complimentary of that offensive line,

870
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: the offensive line said, he actually makes us look better

871
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: because he doesn't As I said before, he doesn't need

872
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: a big hole. But I just he's going to be

873
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: someone you asked him and he is going to come through.

874
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: I think he's one of those guys who's really teachable.

875
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: I think he's got confidence. I think at times he

876
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: was he was overlooked by a by a Benny Snell

877
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: who had a great year for Kentucky. This isn't an

878
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: either or, but I think Tray Beyond I think he

879
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: gained more and more confidence and was a great leader.

880
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: And like Christian Kirk the year before, these running backs

881
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: at A and M learned an awful lot. Trey Beyond

882
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: completes every drill he hits the whole, runs his sixty

883
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: yards and then comes back. This entire running back crew

884
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: from last fall learned all of that from him. I

885
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: think it's some great habits that he left with these

886
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: young players. Andrew last one for me, and you brought

887
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: up William's ability to pick up the blitz and pass

888
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: protection tight end Jay Sternberger, and coincidentally, we just had

889
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: an Iowa guest on and we were breaking down prolific

890
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: tight end, so we might as well make it a trifecta.

891
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Certainly put up respectable numbers from an offensive standpoint. What

892
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: has jumped out to you though about Jason's ability to

893
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: block and his consistency in that department. Yeah, he got

894
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: better as the year went on, and Jimbo talked about

895
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: that about getting getting better because that was important and

896
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: with the two tight ends that they had in Trevor

897
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: Wood and Jay Sternberger, and Jason was the number one

898
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: that was important that at times an extension of that

899
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: offensive line for the for the Aggie success. I don't

900
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: think Jays could have played for a better coach because

901
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: Jimbo incorporates that tight end uh the hands who was

902
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: amazed at times, and you know that you saw him

903
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: in the slot as well off the line of scrimmage

904
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: as a receiver. The blocking is probably the thing that

905
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: he has to work at the most. But the thing

906
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: that Jimbo said, and he said this early in the season.

907
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: He said, this is a kid who probably could have

908
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: played in the fifties. He likes that style, he said,

909
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: and the more I lay on him, the more he

910
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: wants like always constantly learning and learning. Jimbo also said

911
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: this is the key. He was a two star coming

912
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: out of high school. He said, sometimes we have to

913
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: look at the four years of development, not always a

914
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: finished product when they come out. And then by time

915
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: Jason is done, you saw him whether it was an

916
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: All America or whatever whatever list he was going to

917
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: be on, and really grew because you grow into the

918
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: size and are you playing with the with the right

919
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: coach and n was very fortunate what happened at Kansas.

920
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Jase also developed the love for the game. He kind

921
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: of lost that love at Kansas. It was hard, he said,

922
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: a little bit uh playing there. But then when he

923
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: got to Ann he loved it. But Jimbo just talked

924
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: about how I could just pile it on. He wanted

925
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: more and more and more. He thinks he's kind of

926
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: a throwback. That's why he made that line about the fifties.

927
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: And I think he was a big, big reason why

928
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: A and M's offense was so good, interesting and how

929
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: you describe him as a throwback. One of the words

930
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: that I used on my my report on him was effort,

931
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: and you could definitely see that in his tape. I

932
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a move tight end right now because

933
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: he just does not have the power and at six

934
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: four two fifty, he's got the frame to be a

935
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: much more powerful player. But some of that's gonna be

936
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: learned and some of that's just gonna have to get

937
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: toughened up by the NFL game. I love the word

938
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: effort for you because you know, it's funny. We we

939
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: got so used to him catching everything, so when he

940
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: dropped something, we were we were surprised. But that effort

941
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: is always there and you could see for the people

942
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: who just saw him on a Saturday, I think you

943
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: really needed to see him on Monday through Friday, and

944
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: that's where that effort and the learning came in. And

945
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: I think it's going to pay off for well. And

946
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: that's a big part. Even on the NFL level. You

947
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: don't put the time in, the effort in during the week,

948
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: especially with limited practices, not going to see the results

949
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: come Sunday. He is Andrew Monico, play by play voice

950
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: for Texas A and M on the Aggy Sports Network.

951
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: Andrew greatly appreciate the time of the inside. Thanks so

952
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: much for joining us here on the program. Thanks and

953
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: absolutely enjoyed it. Thank you so much. You got it.

954
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: Andrew Monica once again weighing in on Texas A and

955
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: M prospects to look forward to in the upcoming two

956
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen NFL Draft. We are going to open up

957
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: the phone lines throughout the course of the remainder of

958
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: the program, give you an opportunity to weigh in on

959
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: a variety of topics. Twos one, four, five one three.

960
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, We'll go the Big

961
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Look kig Off Live. What do you got for us? Hi, guys,

962
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: I'm sort of conflicted and I wonder if you guys

963
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: can help me out. Uh. I'm leading towards taking a

964
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: quarterback with the sixth round pick, and I know edge

965
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: rushers are important, but I was looking at some of

966
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: the teams that led the league in sacks. I know

967
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: the hurries and pressers are just as important. Teams that

968
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs but had a multitude of sacks,

969
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: Arizona being one, they had forty nine, Washington had forty six, Pittsburgh,

970
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: which didn't make the playoffs, had fifty two. So is

971
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: there an over emphasis on taking a edge rusher or

972
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: do you really have to set the president with taking

973
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback if you're going to move forward? Assuming this

974
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: is a rebuilding year. And I'm still a big Haskins guy,

975
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: I still think he's the right choice. But I was

976
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: curious as to your feelings were on this subject matter

977
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: as to whether the Giants hierarchy is just as conflict

978
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: as maybe some of the Giants fans are, and I

979
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: was wanting to get either of your opinions on that. Well,

980
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: First of all, if you look at the years that

981
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: the Giants won the Super Bowl, they had the sack numbers.

982
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know necessarily if what you read into

983
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: from last season, and I'm not saying your numbers are

984
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: off base, they're right on point, But I personally would

985
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: not put a great deal of stock in those numbers

986
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: for teams that may have been high up on the

987
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: ladder with sacks and didn't make the playoffs. Because a

988
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: few of the teams that you threw out Scott. You

989
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: have to take it the consideration. There were a lot

990
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: of other factors why they didn't make the playoffs. You know,

991
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want to put it in the vacuum. No, no,

992
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you were trying to do that.

993
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: For example, let me bring up the Patriots. Okay, the

994
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Giants finished tied with total amount of sacks.

995
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: So people are saying themselves, so wait a minute, Patriots

996
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: went on and won the Super Bowl. The Giants didn't

997
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Everybody always brings that stat up to me.

998
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: So let's look a little bit close. Look at New

999
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: England Secondary. Okay, look at how well those guys covered

1000
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: on the back end. So what they were lacking on

1001
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: the front end, they made up for it because they

1002
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: said Stefan Gilmore gonna put you out on an island.

1003
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: And you know what, he came through Davin mccordy, who's

1004
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: a very good all around safety. That's why they invested him,

1005
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: gave him an extension. He also could take care of business.

1006
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: So that's how to me you balance out the sacked

1007
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: numbers not being very affected. Now you look at the Giants,

1008
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: you can make an argue with the respect of the Giant.

1009
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: Scott not only didn't out of the sack numbers, they

1010
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: certainly did not have the same level of production out

1011
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: of their secondary that New England showcase, so sure, but

1012
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: but also by the same token, in the first portion

1013
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: of the year, they were blitzing a lot more and

1014
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: I think they were keeping opponents under twenty points a game,

1015
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: which is actually very good. In the second portion of

1016
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: the season, the defense didn't exist, So there was a

1017
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: change obviously from the number of how Beta was approaching

1018
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: the first part of the season as opposed to the

1019
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: second part of the season. I agree with you that

1020
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: the secondary becomes very, very important. So that was why

1021
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: I was queering either of you on the question in

1022
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: regards to you know, are there are more important issues,

1023
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: But I think you have to lock down the quarterback

1024
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: if you're going to move forward, And that was really

1025
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: my main focus. And again, um, I don't want to

1026
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: over excuse me over extend, because I just was curious

1027
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: if they're going through the same machinations from the Giant

1028
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: front office as to what they should do with that

1029
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: sixth round pick. Well, I think that once again, you

1030
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: bring up a good question, because it's something worthy of

1031
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: having a conversation with, especially when we look at sacked

1032
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: numbers how important they are. But once again, I look

1033
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: at if you're also drafting a pass rusher, Scott, you're

1034
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: confident that that guy is going to have the ability

1035
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: to stop the run and cut off the edge when

1036
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: you think about what JPP did when he was here,

1037
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about a justin talk, So

1038
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: you can't just look at it is well, if we

1039
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: use a sixth overall pick on a pass rusher, we're

1040
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: just asking him line up, win your battle and get

1041
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: a sack. No, he's adding a lot more to help

1042
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: your defense. And you can maybe dismiss the sacked numbers.

1043
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you are in particular, but nobody

1044
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: can dismiss the run stopping numbers because when you can't

1045
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: stop the run, Scott, it impacts every other level of

1046
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: your defense. So if the Giants and any other team

1047
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: I truly believe this is they're gonna go out and

1048
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna draft that high with a pass rusher. They

1049
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: believe that guy's got enough versatility and talent that he's

1050
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: going to help out in multiple areas and He's not

1051
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: just gonna go out and get fourteen and a half

1052
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: mut not just a third down situational sub BINGO. That's

1053
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: how you have to look at it, when you take

1054
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: that high of a pick on a player like that. Okay,

1055
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: one last question. I'mnna get off the era. There's a cusher.

1056
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: There's a player that uh Sam Monson at Pro Football

1057
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: Focus is very high on the right tackle. I haven't

1058
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: heard too much about him, and I was wondering if

1059
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: you had any uh scouting on him, which was tackle

1060
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: from US called Chumadoga. Uh, he was right up there

1061
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: was Jonah Williams and Dalton Risn, who I think is

1062
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: one of the better prospects coming out. And I was

1063
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: just curious if you knew anything about him in regards

1064
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: to whether he might be something selected saying a third

1065
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: round pick or something like that. And thanks guys, and

1066
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: he got it's got. Thanks so much for the phone call.

1067
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: Appreciate your weighing in. Yeah, I did some work on

1068
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: anti doga. I had down athletic balance, arms gets to

1069
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: the second level. All is good things and positives that

1070
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: I saw on tape. I did have questions about his power,

1071
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: his hand usage, and his ability to block in the

1072
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: run game. Uh, you know, to be very physical in

1073
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: the trenches and be forceful in the power run game.

1074
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Needed some work in that area. So you know, he's not,

1075
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a high round pick. He's somebody looking

1076
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: at more in the middle rounds, looking for depth purposes,

1077
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: developmental purposes. He's not an im media plug in place

1078
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: starter in my book. Well and Scott brought up Reisner,

1079
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: who to me is extremely That's a different guy. But

1080
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: here's why Reisener's appealing because Reisener, you can argue, can

1081
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: maybe play all five positions. If you really wanted to

1082
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: push in. Reisener comes in and starts at right tackle

1083
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: week one, we'll got that kind of potensial does But also,

1084
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: if I suffer an injury on my line, Paul, I

1085
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: can move him over and that holds values always that's fine.

1086
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is you could plug and play

1087
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: him right now. I don't doubt that. And that's and

1088
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: that's a very valuable commodity that you could you could

1089
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: see being drafted high second round. I'd have no problem

1090
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: with him at thirty seven. I'm gonna agree with you,

1091
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: no doubt From a value standpoint. I think that holds

1092
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: up very nicely. Let's head back to the lines. We've

1093
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: got Brian in North Carolina. Brian, Welcome to the Big

1094
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: Blue kig Off Live. What do you got for us? Hey, Hey,

1095
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. Thank you put me on

1096
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: right after Andrew since he was talking about Texas D

1097
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: and M. I want to talk about Wake Forest beat

1098
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: Texas A and M two years ago in shoutball. But anyways,

1099
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: what I want to do is, uh, you know, I

1100
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: know it's a small sample size, but I want to

1101
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: talk about two games that I was there for. The

1102
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: first one was the Clemson Wake Force game where they

1103
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: beat US sixty three to three. I mean, they just

1104
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: destroyed US. And I watched Colin Farrell first dand I

1105
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: was fifty ft away from that monster and he is

1106
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: a monster. Yeah. And honestly, anybody on that defensive line

1107
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: if the Giants get them great, um. The Uh, Honestly,

1108
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: with Clellen, I don't know if I would go with

1109
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: him at six, Paul, but uh, if he's still around

1110
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: at ten, I would definitely try to move up and

1111
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: get them. Um. But that's me. I'm with you. Uh.

1112
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: The other the other game that I was there for

1113
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: was the Duke game and where Wake Forest beat them

1114
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: fifty nine to seven. And um, and you know, even

1115
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: though the Clepson game was the worst beating we've taken

1116
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: in history, that was the biggest margin of victory we

1117
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: ever had against Duke. And we and we did that

1118
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: at Duke, and I watched Daniel Jones that that game

1119
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: just struggle, I mean, and Wake Force is not known

1120
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: for their defense, I mean obviously, And um, we we're

1121
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: not putting anybody in the draft this year. I mean,

1122
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: We've got great door going to the the path through his company.

1123
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: He's gonna help some team. He's not a good fit

1124
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: for the Giants. But um, you know, I know, I

1125
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say, Lass it's too small a

1126
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: sample size, but you know that is one heck of

1127
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: a sample to the game. I mean, we he couldn't

1128
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't get anything going on a on a defense

1129
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: that a lot of other teams put a lot of

1130
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: points on. And UM, I don't know, I think Daniel

1131
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: Jones is just too much of a project. Um. You know,

1132
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: I like some of the intangible there, but it's hard

1133
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: for me to unsee that game. So um, I'm not

1134
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: sure what you wanna how you want to take that,

1135
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: but I'm all ears well, I wasn't going to actually

1136
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: say that because there is enough of a sample size, Brian.

1137
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: I think because it's not just the one game that

1138
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: you're evaluating against Wake Farest, and I think some of

1139
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: the things you picked up on our valid in terms

1140
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: of question marks upside. You know, he's the decision making

1141
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: at times under centers. So personally, like I said, if

1142
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: you want to think about Kyler Murray, Dwayne Haskins in

1143
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: the first round, I think you make an argument for

1144
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: that anybody else. I don't know if I would push

1145
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,479
Speaker 1: the envelope to grab a quarterback in the first round.

1146
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: That's just my personal opinion. Daniel Jones included Bill Greer,

1147
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: Drew Lock, all these guys, I think that if they

1148
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: fall to you in the second round something to think about.

1149
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be ultra aggressive pursuing them

1150
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: in round one because I just don't think this group

1151
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: is providing as much substance and consistency as last years

1152
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: group did. And I think you have to always compare

1153
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: because we're not that far removed from the two thousand

1154
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: eighteen class. If you want to compare it to the

1155
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve class, maybe that's too far removed. But

1156
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen class is just also learning the ropes

1157
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: of the NFL. I think it's a fair comparison. So

1158
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. Expect to clarify on your game

1159
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: that was in November. He was that as Jones was

1160
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: seventeen of thirty six d forty five yards with a

1161
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: touch down and an interception. Understandably, after looking at those numbers,

1162
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: why you would not have been impressed? I I look,

1163
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I look. I like a

1164
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of things about Daniel Jones. I really do. But

1165
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: but there's no question you do have to worry some about,

1166
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: uh the arm strength. Uh it's okay, but not great.

1167
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: You do have to worry some about some of the

1168
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: accuracy issues at times, some inconsistencies. There's no doubt about

1169
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: that either. UM. I think he's legitimate, uh starter in

1170
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: the league, now how high. I don't think he's a

1171
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: first round pick. I don't you know. Now, if you

1172
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: want to start thinking about him in the second round,

1173
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: I could understand it, But you know, personally speaking, I

1174
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: don't know that I'd pick him at thirty seven either,

1175
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: to be honest, if I were the Giants, unless you

1176
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: just felt that, well, you know what, we still gotta

1177
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: get a quarterback and wait to the end of the

1178
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: third round. Now it's getting a little sketchy again. You

1179
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: know I'm not I'm not taking a quarterback in the

1180
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: first round. I made that clear for months. I know

1181
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: Scott was asking before about about to me, there's nothing away.

1182
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: There's no way in the world I'm taking a quarterback

1183
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: in the first round, especially at six. I'd rather go

1184
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: to the to the bargain bin and take the sleeper

1185
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: in Jared Stenham, uh, maybe in the in the bottom

1186
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: of the third round, to be perfectly frank with you,

1187
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: then then taking a reach on one of these other

1188
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: guys in the first and appreciate the phone called Brian.

1189
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go on that note. Thanks so

1190
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: much for weighing in. We were talking about Adoga the

1191
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: tackle out of usc with the last caller, so our

1192
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: producer Dan Salomon, finding a transcript of some of the

1193
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: comments that he made it the combine. He was asked

1194
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: what team it was the biggest influence on your career.

1195
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: I would have to say, Chad Wheeler, we had some

1196
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: of the same circumstances in life. He went through a

1197
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of hardships in his career bounce back. Now he's

1198
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: having a really good career with the New York Giants.

1199
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: I looked to him for inspiration. Then it's a follow

1200
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: up question, have you talked to former USC lineman? Got

1201
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: an advice? Brought up Chad Wheeler again. He said he

1202
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: talked to Zack Banner and Chad Wheelers, so they clearly

1203
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: have a very close relationship on that front, that he

1204
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: has stayed close to current giants right. Tackle just wanted

1205
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: to throw that out as a little tidbit before we

1206
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: get back to the lines we have been taking request Paul, Yeah,

1207
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: there are two guys. I guess we got on the

1208
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: on the request on the internet. But before you do that,

1209
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: I just want to set the appropriate tone for this segment.

1210
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: Don't look at me. John's responsible. I was just told

1211
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: to play it and is that go ahead. It's him

1212
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: having some free time on his hands too much, I

1213
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: would argue, But someone had asked us about wide receiver

1214
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: Kissan Johnson, who comes out of Fresno State, red shirt

1215
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: senior six two pounds. Thoughts I had on him. I

1216
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: liked his routes. I thought he was very good at

1217
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: the ball, and he's also good in blocking for the

1218
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: rundown field and on the edge. Those are nice traits.

1219
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: The things that are gonna hurt him is that if

1220
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: the ball isn't thrown really nicely inside his box. Even

1221
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: though he does well on fifty balls, he does not

1222
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: have a very large box or a large radius to

1223
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: catch the ball. So you've got to be real specific

1224
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: where you throw it to him. Not necessarily a great burst.

1225
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: And also difficulties against press coverage. Uh. And you will

1226
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: see that in the NFL, especially if they know that

1227
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: you're having trouble against it. Yes, I think that's a problem.

1228
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: They'll come after you with it. So but but certainly

1229
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: a draftable player. Uh. The other guy who was mentioned

1230
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: was Tranquil, the linebacker out of Notre Dame. I did

1231
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: do some work on him. Also drew Tranquil, red shirt

1232
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: senior six to two three pounds. The knock on him

1233
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: and it goes all across the board. Now, first of all,

1234
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: he's out an a c L with his left knee

1235
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: and his right knee. I mean, that's incredible that he's

1236
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: been able to come back from from two a c

1237
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: L issues, also of a broken hand, also a sprained ankle.

1238
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: He's come back from a ton of injuries. With the Irish,

1239
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: I see him as a weak side linebacker in a

1240
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: four three scheme. I did like his motor, thought he

1241
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: had some coverage skills, showed instincts. He's intense. He's one

1242
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: of those blue collar guys you know who's gonna be

1243
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: an overachiever because he's not gonna be the superstar, you know, athlete,

1244
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: Olympic athlete, not great in the underwear Olympics or any

1245
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: of that stuff. But he's a football player, a blood

1246
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: and guts guy. And again, my my knock on name

1247
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: was simply just agility and athleticism. But he's a guy

1248
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: who's gonna get after it and he'll give you everything

1249
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: he's got. Alright, with that being said, let's head back

1250
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: to the lines before we close up shop. Marco is

1251
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Marco, welcome aboard. What do you have for us? Hey? Guys?

1252
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: How are your uh? Paul? I may try to call

1253
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: you again and talk to you about Stidham. That's not

1254
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: why I called today, but I want to pick your

1255
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: brain a little bit about that. Um uh So, here's

1256
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: my question about a scenario that I think that could

1257
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: break for the Giants at number six. I think the

1258
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: first five guys to go off the board UM are

1259
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: going to be Alan out of Kentucky, Quinnin Williams Bosa,

1260
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: and I think Kyler Murray. But I don't think Kyler Murray.

1261
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't think Arizona is gonna pick him. I'm starting

1262
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: to lean that way, and that's a whole another story.

1263
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: I I'm starting to think it's a smoke screen. But

1264
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: and then I think at five, I think a team

1265
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: might want to jump ahead of the Giants, thinking that

1266
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: the Giants are going to take a quarterback and they

1267
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: could go for Haskins are locked. Now if that doesn't happen,

1268
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: and maybe let's say Devin White goes to Tampa Bay

1269
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: or Montes Sweat, I want to know from you guys

1270
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: at six, if it's Um if Montes Sweat or um

1271
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver or the tackle from Florida Taylor, if those

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Speaker 1: three guys are both there at six, what are your

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Speaker 1: feelings on one of those three whol would you choose?

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious about this because everybody keeps talking about

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Speaker 1: this Leonard Williams situation with the Jets, how he dropped

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Speaker 1: so Bosa, Quintin Williams and Josh Allen. If one of

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Speaker 1: those guys is there at sicks, do they automatically trump

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Speaker 1: to anybody else? For you at six that you would take?

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that? Bosa Williams or

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Speaker 1: who Bosa Williams. I think we all believe those guys

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Speaker 1: are gone in the top five? Does anybody not think so?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Nick Post is there when you're at six,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is the conversation at that point? Marco

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Speaker 1: just run up the car team saw Leonard Williams was

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Speaker 1: the best player in the draft and he dropped to

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Speaker 1: the Jets. Yeah. Well, to answer your question, if Nick

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Speaker 1: Bosa is there, I'm not talking about anything. I've made

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Speaker 1: my pick. Quinnin Williams is there, I also, in my

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Speaker 1: mind have made my pick the same thing with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: That's who I would order them. To answer your question,

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Speaker 1: I would be really, really, really ecstatic if one of

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Speaker 1: those three guys got to six, because there is no question.

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Speaker 1: You gotta run to the podium. If those three guys

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Speaker 1: are not there, who's your choice out of Taylor from Florida,

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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman Montes Sweat or ed Oliver. Ed Oliver

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Speaker 1: to me is intriguing. I know people are gonna say, well,

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Speaker 1: he's a defensive tackle. I think you can maybe move

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Speaker 1: him around a little bit. I think there's the potential there,

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Speaker 1: So that would be the initial guy that I would

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Speaker 1: lean towards. You know, Sweat. I think there's some question

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Speaker 1: marks surrounding him. I could live with Sweat, but if

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Speaker 1: you asked me, I would go Oliver, Sweat Tailor that

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Speaker 1: would be my order of those three, and i'd probably

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Speaker 1: go Sweat Oliver Taylor. You know, Taylor had more consideration

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Speaker 1: from me earlier on, and as we're getting closer to

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Speaker 1: the draft, I'm kind of stepping back from him a

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Speaker 1: little bit because I really found out at the combine

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Speaker 1: and then I did work up on twenty one offensive

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Speaker 1: tackles in my film study, and I think you are

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Speaker 1: going to get a plug and play offensive tackle at

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Speaker 1: thirty seven. So I don't think you have to take

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Speaker 1: Joan Taylor. Now. I will give you a little asterisk here.

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Speaker 1: If the Giants believe that Joan Taylor is an absolute

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Speaker 1: bona fide, decade, Blue Chips starter, potential Pull Bowl guy.

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Speaker 1: If they think he's that phenomenal, I would not complain

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Speaker 1: if they took him at six. Well, and once again,

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Speaker 1: this is a different years draft, and I'll let you continue, Marco.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go back to track record. When Gettleman

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Speaker 1: was with the Panthers, he never took an offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: in the first round. He took will Hernandez high in

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Speaker 1: the second round. I would agree with your logic and

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Speaker 1: your rationale Paul, that if they do want to address

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, I don't think it's a stretch to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: use the second round pick on that. We'll let you continue, Marco. Sure, sure, thanks. Um.

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Speaker 1: I guess just to follow up land saying like if

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Speaker 1: he took Sweat at six, he could live with it,

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Speaker 1: And Paul, you made the you made the case for

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Speaker 1: the other two guys at all especial I love Clelin

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Speaker 1: Ferrell there. I told you that before, and you know,

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Speaker 1: but that's me. I don't think they're gonna see it

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Speaker 1: that way, but I certainly would, okay, and I and

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Speaker 1: I could have put him in that scenario. So I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing if I put him in my scenario, you would

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Speaker 1: take Farrell over the all these three guys I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big Clayland Farrell guy. Yes, but that's me.

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Speaker 1: That's me. So here the logic I'm looking for. Then,

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Speaker 1: last year, Gettlan said for number two, which is four

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Speaker 1: picks away, and I understand that's big. But at number two,

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Speaker 1: pick the guy he wants to take has gotta be

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Speaker 1: like he's looking for a Hall of Fame jacket, gold

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Speaker 1: jacket and and and now we're picking four picks later.

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Speaker 1: And I understand there's five other teams in front of you,

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Speaker 1: but if he's going to come out and pick someone,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear them at a press conference immediately

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Speaker 1: say we all feel this guy is a BC. And

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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is I don't want to

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be a situation where it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we had our heart set on this guy who who

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Speaker 1: we felt was a Hall of Fame player. However, the

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Speaker 1: best row with this guy, No, Marco, Marco, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make this really simple for you. The guy at too

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Speaker 1: had to be fitted for a gold jacket, or you

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: how to believe he's fitted for a gold jacket at

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Speaker 1: number six. You have to believe he's a plug and

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Speaker 1: place starter. You have to believe he is a star

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Speaker 1: caliber player who can be good to Probably no Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl is not a great uh, not a great rationality,

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Speaker 1: but he's gotta be. He's got to be that caliber

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Speaker 1: of player who you can foresee giving a second contract too.

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Speaker 1: And if you have any question marks on the guy

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Speaker 1: at six, you can't take him. You have to be

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Speaker 1: assertive and confident that he is a star caliber two

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Speaker 1: contracts starter. That's how you have to feel, otherwise you

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Speaker 1: don't take him. All right, Marco, appreciate it, Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for waiting in. My answer is there's gotta be

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Speaker 1: conviction in the room. That's the term. Now get him

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Speaker 1: and believes in conviction. Yeah, you know, it's not a

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Speaker 1: matter of does the press conference sell the player as

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Speaker 1: this and that. It's the bottom line is when they

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Speaker 1: went around the room, everybody was an agreement. This is

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Speaker 1: the guy. This guy has the most upside, has the

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Speaker 1: most potential, and he's gonna be an impactful player. If

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Speaker 1: he gets the check marks across the board with respect

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Speaker 1: to that criteria, then it's the right decision. Based on

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Speaker 1: what was discussed in the room. Nobody has a crystal ball.

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Speaker 1: You never know how things are gonna simply put. The

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Speaker 1: further down you go, and six is way too high

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Speaker 1: to start thinking about question marks. The further down you go,

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Speaker 1: then you start giving a little leeway and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy has this little thing wrong with him. We're

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Speaker 1: not quite sure about that. This kind of makes me

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Speaker 1: a little No. No. At six, it's pound your fist

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Speaker 1: on the table. We like that guy, We that would

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Speaker 1: like that guy. We love that guy. We're taking him.

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Speaker 1: You pound it's a pound to fist on the table.

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Speaker 1: At number six, Okay, you're not you're not having a hart.

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Speaker 1: And there's enough substance in this year's draft to say

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Speaker 1: that ten guys, all the exactly can deliver when it's

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Speaker 1: all said and done, I want to remind you Big

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