1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am like Spofford, he is Wes Hodkowitz. 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at Lambe 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Field West. The Packers coming off of a twenty four 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: to twenty two victory on Christmas Day over the Cleveland Browns, 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: once again too close for comfort, as we've talked about 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: um several weeks here, and we'll get to how this 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: game got so close and how the Packers did pull 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: it out. But we have to start with number four, 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: forty three, Aaron Rodgers breaks Brett Farves franchise record four 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: touchdown passes in the regular season, and it goes to 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: number thirteen, Al Lazard. So we're all back on zoom. Now. 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: You were over in the head coach Zoom. I was 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: in the Aaron Rodgers Alan Lazard zoom post game. We're 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: talking post game. And the thing that hit me the 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: most as I'm watching this and in thinking about it 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers at thirty eight years old, in reflecting 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: upon the first round pick from two thousand five when 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school, and the as 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: I think Rogers even said a couple of times, like 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: his NFL career is almost an adult at this point. 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: And you know, our video department did a fantastic job 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: with the video montage of his touchdown passes out of 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: the message from Brett Farve. But I even wrote about 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: his path to four or forty three, But it wasn't 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: until it actually happened that it kind of hits you, like, man, 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: like there's still some you know, Kobe Bryant had that 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: great line and I think it was two thousand and 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: ten about how you know we've won, we're gonna win 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: some more, and let's play until We're gonna play until June. 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: Let's keep going. It's still like that with Rogers, but 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: it starts to when you think of all the memories 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: and all the accomplishments and in the things that he's 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: done at just an incredible level for seventeen years. The 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: hitting four forty three just hits different. And for al 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: Lazar to to lay out the way he did, you 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: can tell he wanted that one, man. I mean, he 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: said it wasn't a big deal. They weren't talking about it, 39 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: but once that ball was in his hands, he had 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: just a heat seeker for that pylon, and Rogers joked 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: about how he had to wait a second because he 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: wasn't sure if it was one of those things where 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: they just rolled it a touchdown so they could review 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: it and then and then make a decision for there. 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: But you know, Lucas Patrick gives him this massive bear hug. 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: The offensive lineman just mal um in history has made 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: so an incredible accomplishment and certainly one that has Rogers 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: even said, kind of brought a few tears to his eyes. Yeah. Absolutely, 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: And Rogers ends up finishing this game with four and 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: forty five touchdown passes. He ends up throwing two more, 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: both of those going to Davante Adams. And I have 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: to say this was there. There are some things in 53 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: the statistical realm, both with Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: that start that start to blow your mind a little bit. 55 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: And Rogers even used, I believe he used the phrase 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: mind blowing when it comes to the stuff that Davantae 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: Adams is good doing. He ends up with ten catches 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: for a hundred and fourteen yards and two touchdowns for starters. 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: That is the eighth time in his career that Davante 60 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: Adams has had double digit receptions, a hundred plus yards 61 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: and multiple touchdowns in a game, and that is an 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: NFL record. Nobody in the history of this great league 63 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: has done that. But the other stuff that really starts 64 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: to get interesting. Adams now has a hundred six catches 65 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: d and sixty two yards and ten touchdowns on the season. 66 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: It's the fifth time in his career he's he's had 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: double digit touchdowns on the year. But with the hundred 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: and six catches and sixty two yards, he is really 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: closing in on the franchise records for a single season. 70 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: He had the hundred and fifteen receptions last year, which 71 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: he did in fourteen games, of course, and then he's 72 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: so he's only ten catches away from breaking his own 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: mark there and then Jordy Nelson had one thousand, five 74 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: hundred nineteen receiving yard. Adams needs just a hundred and 75 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: fifty eight over these last two games to break that mark, 76 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: and he would actually break that in sixteen games, as 77 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: Nelson said it, because um Adams did miss a game 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: earlier this year. You you look, you look at these numbers, 79 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: and what Davante Adams is doing prefacing this all is 80 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: to preface of course, that Aaron Rodgers actually went on 81 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: record and said Davante Adams is the best football player 82 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: he's ever played with. And that's saying something, saying a lot. 83 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, when you look at even he reflected on it, 84 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, Brett Farve, Charles Woodson, the guy that he 85 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: credited a long time is being the best guy. Jordy Nelson. 86 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: He doesn't say that lightly, and he it was one 87 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: of those things. He wasn't just trying to say it 88 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: to say it. He mentioned he already told Davante yes. 89 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: And there's a part of it that's poetic. Rogers has 90 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: been talking about it being a lot of romanticism about 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: football this year. All these incredible receivers that Rodgers has 92 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: played with, starting his career with Don Driver, the franchise 93 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: is all time leading receiver, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, James Jones, 94 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: Randall Cobb. And then here comes this kid from Fresno 95 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: that had really prolific numbers in college, but yet was 96 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: still a second round pick like a lot of his 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: predecessors in Green Bay. And this might be the one 98 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: that ends up being the Hall of Famer. And this 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: is where you start to think about these things because 100 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: there's a long road to go here, and Davante I 101 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: think understands he he knows what he has to accomplish 102 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: here in the next three, four or five six seasons 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: to be considered in that it's exclusive company. It's tough 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: to get in the hall as a receiver, especially in 105 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: this day and age. But I think it would be 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: apropos for Rogers in what will be an undisputed unanimous 107 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: first ballots selection into Canton someday to actually have a 108 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: receiver that goes on that journey with him as good 109 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: as Jordy, as good as Jennings, as good as all 110 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: these guys were. This is the guy that was the 111 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: one that was a cut above. And what I love 112 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: about it the most is Davante is basically a sum 113 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: of all the parts. He can make the circus catches 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: like Jordi does he he you know, his roads are precise. 115 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: You know you see some of the stop route concepts. 116 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: You see shades of James Jones and that being able 117 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: to work across the middle like Greg Jennings and Randall 118 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: Cobb did. And I feel like the more you watch 119 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: him play, the more you gain an appreciation for what 120 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: makes him great, the fact that he had another ten 121 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: catch game. Mike, remember the one of the first times 122 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: he did it. You and I kind of were like, oh, wow, 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: he has ten catches. Twelve catches, that's interesting. Now the 124 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: guy just does it like its old hat. Yeah. I mean, 125 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: he's a special special and he does it without having 126 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: twenty passes thrown his way. Now, not every cent to 127 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: Davante Adams is completed, but when you look at the 128 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: ratio of the targets to the receptions, it's it's pretty 129 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: darn impressive. Getting back to this game, in particular to 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: twenty two over the Browns, I don't know how you 131 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: can describe this game any other way than to say, 132 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: both on the offensive and dfensive side of the ball 133 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: for the Packers, it was. It was a jekylin Hide 134 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: type of performance. You look at the offense, there's a 135 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: stretch there where the Packers capitalizing on the turnovers the 136 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: defense was getting. The Packers scored three touchdowns and a 137 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: field goal in a span of five possessions. Points in 138 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: a span of five possessions. That's pretty good. You're at 139 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: twenty four points midway through the third quarter, you're right 140 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: where you want to be. Then suddenly the offense goes 141 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: three possessions and gets one total first down, going three 142 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: and out twice and then getting one first down before 143 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: having to give the ball up. Similarly, on the defensive side, 144 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: you have a defense that gets four interceptions in five sacks, 145 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: all kinds of big plays, the types of things that 146 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: you're looking for. But at the same time, two eighteen 147 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: rushing yards allowed over four hundred total yards allowed. The 148 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: Browns were seven out of twelve on third down, and 149 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: four of those seven conversions were when they needed six 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: plus yards in order to conver, which is where the 151 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: defense should have the advantage. There there was there was 152 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: this Jekyll and Hide component to both sides of the 153 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: ball for the Packers in this game. The bottom line 154 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: is they came out with the win Versul Douglas with 155 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: the big interception. Obviously with forty three seconds left in regulation, 156 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 1: when the Browns were whatever, they were fifteen or twenty 157 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: yards from a realistic field goal for a possible steal 158 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: it at Lambeau Um type of scenario. The Packers won 159 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: the game. But there's there's just a lot of uneven 160 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: unevenness in the team's play right now before we go 161 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: into the unevenness, because there's some unevenness to sort out. 162 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: Is there ever a game that epitomizes the importance of 163 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: protecting the football that this, Oh my goodness, Baker Mayfield 164 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: throws four interceptions for the first time in his career. 165 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: First time Packers have four interceptions, I believe, since two 166 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: thousands sixteen against Russell Wilson. It was a fun game. Yeah, 167 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: the five the five interceptions against Wilson at lambeau Field. 168 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: First time three inners options in the first half since 169 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven against Oakland slash Vegas then Oakland. Yea. 170 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: The Packers generates off those turnovers. They only score twenty 171 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: four points in the game. It is such a great 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: reminder of at the end of the day, you can pass, 173 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: you can run, you can do all these things. Great, 174 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: if you turn over the football, it's gonna come back 175 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: to haunt you. Yeah. I don't know what I was 176 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: gonna say is because you know, we we we get fed, 177 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: and Packer Nation as a whole, if you follow things 178 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com, the Dope She and all that 179 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, we get fed a lot of really 180 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: interesting statistics from Tom Fanning, natela Cassio, and the communications 181 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: department they have they have like a hotline to the 182 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: Allia Sports Bureau. I'd like to say we don't have 183 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: that necessarily, but when they want to check on something, 184 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: figure out where it fits historically. Right, here's the question. 185 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: I want to know, how often? How often is the 186 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: team's turnover margin in the game larger in the margin 187 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: of victor four oh in turnovers, but you win the 188 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: game by two points. As I wrote about on Saturday 189 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: night after the game in my postgame editorial, that's not 190 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: how this is supposed to work. You go four oh 191 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: in turnovers, you're supposed to be in much greater command 192 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: of the football game. But this one almost got away 193 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: from Yeah. Unfortunately for green Bay, they didn't give the 194 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: ball up at any in opportune times. Nick Chubb, Miike, 195 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: you can, Marv can play back all of our clips 196 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: from last week. We talked about how dangerous this guy is. Yeah, 197 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: how many times did we say the key to the 198 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: game was to was to contain Nick Chubb? And and 199 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: uh yeah he was. He was a monster. And you 200 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about, you know, the four oh I 201 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: would love to see the splits with what Cleveland did 202 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: inside their own fifty as opposed to what it looked 203 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: like once they got into Packers territory, because for whatever reason, 204 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: the closer they got to the end zone, the more 205 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: they got away from Chubb. Chubb was really got them 206 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: going on a lot of series, still only carried the 207 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: ball what five time in the first half. It was 208 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: almost like Cleveland was operating the entire game like it 209 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: was in a two minute offense situation and didn't want 210 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: to commit to Chubb. The second half was really interesting 211 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: because the Packers started shifting more to their dime package. 212 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: They started going to more of their sub personnel. Cleveland 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: had a really good, you know, opportunity to run against it. 214 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: In that circumstance, you still want to be able to 215 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: defend against the run when you have six dvs on 216 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: the field. But the Packers are having trouble with it. 217 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: But every single time it seemed like when Baker Mayfield 218 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: dropped back to pass in the middle of the field, 219 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: bad things were happening. So I'm sure Stefanski and and 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: Alex van Pelt are going to go back and look 221 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: at that film and be really disappointed in how this 222 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: game played out retrospective to what the Ernest Johnson and also, 223 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: as we talked about Chubb, we're producing. But that that's 224 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: for Green Bay. I think this is probably has to 225 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: just be a massive wake up call for them because 226 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: it's a reminder of what can happen when you face 227 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: an elite running back, and it could happen this Sunday 228 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: with with Minnesota if Dalvin Cook is back, because teams 229 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: are gonna look at this now and be like, Okay, well, 230 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: if we protect the football and can run the way 231 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: that Cleveland ran, we can give this team some problems. Yeah. Absolutely, 232 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean that that's that's what That's what teams are 233 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: going to if if you have the type of running 234 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: tech that you can rely on. That's uh, that's how 235 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: teams are gonna digest this game. When they're looking at 236 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: the film of the Browns playing at thirty six passes 237 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield, one runs for Chubb and Johnson in 238 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: that game. That's hard. That's hard to do. That's how 239 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: you explain. Yeah, that's hard to explain the thing. The 240 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: way this game unfolded, though, it was interesting because because 241 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: there were there were so many little moments, maybe they 242 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: didn't seem like they were huge at the time per se. 243 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: But right off the bat the Browns miss an extra 244 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: point right so then on their second touchdown they go 245 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: for two trying to chase that point, and they don't 246 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: get it. So that's two p e t s that 247 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: were blown, and of course then the final margin of 248 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: the game is two points. The drive um early, I 249 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: believe it was early in the fourth quarter at least 250 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: to carry it over into the fourth quarter. The Browns 251 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: are down by nine. They are in Green Bay territory, 252 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: closing in on scoring territory. But then all of a sudden, 253 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: a false start puts them in a tough down and 254 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: distant situation. And then bang bang, back to back sacks 255 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: Preston Smith Dean Lowry. They get back to back sacks, 256 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: and the Browns go from your looking at at least 257 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: trying a field goal to make it a one score 258 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: game with plenty of fourth quarter time still on the clock. Too, 259 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: then they're out of field goal range and they end 260 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: up they end up punting the football. They get nothing 261 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: out of that possession, and it remains at nine points. 262 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: It remains a two score game until well into uh 263 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter before the Browns then do make 264 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: it a one score game with a with a touchdown 265 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: later out in the fourth. So there were some there 266 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: were some moments that don't necessarily make the make the 267 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: final highlight reel a play like Rusul Douglas forty three 268 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: seconds left, But there were there were moments where there 269 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: were moments where this game really kind of turned. And 270 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: there there were some some key happenings that that played 271 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: into the Packers hands well. And then the other aspect 272 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: of it too that I look at is Preston Smith. 273 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: There's so many times in NAH Football League Mike Smith 274 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: you want to get him go and talk about sacks 275 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: right in the factors outside linebackers coach doesn't want to 276 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: talk about sacks. What I love about what Preston Smith 277 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: has done this year, though, is he has eight sacks 278 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: on the season. I would argue all eight of them 279 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: are well earned and came at critical points. I understand 280 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: there was one that could be labeled as garbage time 281 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: I think against Chicago, but the guy played exceptional for 282 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: the first three and a half quarters that ended up 283 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: leading to a fourth quarter sack. But the guy, every 284 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: single time he makes a play and gets to the quarterback. 285 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: It seems to affect the game. And it happened again 286 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: here because yes, you get the false start, but as 287 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: we saw early on in the game, Cleveland was able 288 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: to convert the third and fifteen. I believe it was 289 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: they were able to find their way back from it. 290 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: He gets that sack, they're thinking, okay, well maybe we 291 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: can potentially make a run at this thing again. Here 292 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: comes Dean Lowery in their face. Now it's fourth and 293 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: twenty two. They're thinking, hey, maybe we'll still go for it. 294 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: And then they get yet another penalty and they're like, 295 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, well, we'll go with the punt four and 296 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: we'll punt it. We don't have the fourth and twenty seven. 297 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Play draw fourth and twenty two. It only gets us three. 298 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: We gotta punt in this situation. But lightheartedness aside. Fourth quarter, 299 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: every single second counted there as it played out. Yes, 300 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: the Packers got the ball back and went three and out. 301 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: There were some injuries there with yosh Niman, but those 302 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: are the type of drive eating, time eating plays that 303 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: I think ultimately ended up kind of swinging this thing 304 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: in Green Bay's favor. Yeah, On on the offensive side 305 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: of the ball. Obviously, it was frustrating. You know, Aaron 306 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: Rodgers clearly set it after the game. Matta floor too. 307 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: They've got to figure out a way to close out, 308 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: to close out games offensively, because there was the costly 309 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: three and out in Baltimore the previous week when when 310 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the Packers had, you know, the drive that was between 311 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Baltimore's two touchdowns there late in the game. This time 312 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: it was it was back to back three and ounce. Now, Okay, 313 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: the first one you try and end around, it doesn't work. 314 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: You lose a bunch of yards. You're getting bad down 315 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: and distance. Okay, the second one was the second one 316 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: was unsettling in a sense. Now this is where Ben 317 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Braden had stepped in at left tackle. Yosh Niman was 318 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: getting looked at temporarily briefly there in the medical tent. 319 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: But you got seven yards on first down on a 320 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: first down run by Aaron Jones. You're in second and three. 321 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: Now that's not to say that this drive was was 322 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: going to you know, go all the way down the 323 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: field and the Packers were gonna you know, score the 324 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: clinching points. But to end up going three and out 325 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: there when you were in second and three third and two. Um, 326 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: they ran the ball again twice with Jones on second 327 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: and three and weren't able to get it. And then 328 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: on the following possession, after they did get one first down, 329 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: then Davante Adams is wide open on third and six 330 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: down the Packers sideline, but he loses the ball in 331 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: the lights. Um. I mean we'm dropped that. You and 332 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: I are looking at each other in the press box going, 333 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: we haven't seen a drop like that since what six 334 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: years ago? You know? And then he he said after 335 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: the almost reluctantly, he almost reluctantly admitted that he lost 336 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: the ball in the lights because he didn't want it 337 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: to come off like an excuse. But he's just being honest. 338 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: And Davante DeVante is as honest as there is um 339 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: with the media, and he's and and he says, I 340 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: still gotta make that play. I make that play ten 341 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: times out of nine. I loved that line. Um, But 342 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: he lost the ball in the lights. And so for 343 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: my my point here is that for all of the 344 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: for all of the angst and everything about how the 345 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: offense wasn't able to close this thing out, they weren't 346 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: really that far away from being able to do it, 347 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. You had a second and three, 348 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: you were right there in position to get a first 349 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: down there and to move the chains, and you had 350 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Davante Adams wide open on a third down, and just 351 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: luck of the draw the ball got you know, the 352 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: ball went into the line of the lights and he 353 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: couldn't quite haul it in. This offense is not that 354 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: far away from being able to do what it needs 355 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: to do down the stretching game. And it wasn't just 356 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: that they went second and through that Aaron Jones carry. 357 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: They did it the next series with a j Dillon 358 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: to Dylan gets seven yards on his first carry, gets 359 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: six after that. That's what ended up leading into the 360 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: play that that ended up being the third down missed 361 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: to Davante. Here's the thing, and I made this point 362 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: on a local radio show I did with a renowned personality, 363 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: Mark Daniels on Monday. What I love about this incarnation 364 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: of the Packers, the two thousand eleven pack the two 365 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: thousand one Packers, two thousand eleven, My goodness, I'm back 366 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: in ridiculous, uh, is the fact that this team, Mike 367 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: knows how to win in the fourth quarter as a team. 368 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: It hasn't always been that way. It's not always easy 369 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: to do that. So as disappointing as it was for 370 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: them to not get that past the DeVante DeVante to 371 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: get lost in lights and drop that ball, here comes 372 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: the defense, a defense that had been going through a 373 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: lot of issues there in the second half, had been 374 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: giving up a lot of yards, and Russell Douglas is 375 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: the one to step up. I loved what Douglas said 376 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: after the game because he was basically asked, Hey, you guys, 377 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: are you're reeling a little bit? Davante drops that, what's 378 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: your mindset is? You're going back on the field with 379 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Now Cleveland has a chance to read to take this lead. 380 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 1: They have a chance for a two minute drive to 381 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: to pull ahead because as you mentioned, they're only down 382 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: too in Russell Douglas like, this is what we're here for. 383 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: This is our moment, and he comes up with his 384 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: second pick of the game. Sometimes it's going to be 385 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: Davante Adams making that catch and A. J. Dillon running 386 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: it out with a four minute offense. Sometimes it's gonna 387 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: be the defense stepping up this team, Mike. In a 388 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: season where there has been so many close games, down 389 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: the stretch. The Packers, with the exception of one game 390 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, know how to win those games. I think 391 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: that's gonna be pivotal going into the playoffs. Yeah. Absolutely, 392 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: this this team, both both from a scheduled perspective the 393 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: teams that they have played, and from the way these 394 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: games have unfolded. This team is going to be as 395 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: battle tested as you could ask for come playoff time. 396 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. I need to take care 397 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: of some sponsor business. 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They have a one game lead 406 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Los Angeles Ramps, 407 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: who are all eleven and four. The one everyone's watching 408 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: the closest, of course, is the Dallas Cowboys because they 409 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: would have the tiebreaker on the Packers because of their 410 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: NFC record. The Cowboys have only lost one game to 411 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: an NFC opponent all season, and that was way back 412 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: in Week one to the defending Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay. 413 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: That was right down to the wire. That was it 414 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: was That was a that was a down to the 415 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: final possession game as well. So the scenario is this 416 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: the Packers obviously, as we've been saying for a couple 417 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: of weeks, now, if the Packers win out, they get 418 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: the number one seed. If the Packers get to fourteen wins, 419 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: nobody else in the NFC can get to fourteen wins. 420 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: If the Packers can do that, they will have the 421 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: number one seed the first drawn by in the home 422 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: field advantage. The other thing that will be interesting to 423 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: watch though here is this week with the Packers playing 424 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: on Sunday night against the Minnesota Vikings. Three Sunday afternoon 425 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: is the Dallas Cowboys against the Arizona Cardinals. Now, the 426 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals are reeling a little bit. Three weeks ago they 427 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: were the number one they were in the number one 428 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: spot in the NFC, but they have now lost three 429 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: games in a row. To fall to ten and five, 430 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: but they will be taking on the Cowboys. If the 431 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: Cardinals can snap their losing streak and hand the Cowboys 432 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: a fifth loss, the Packers would then take the field 433 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: Sunday night at Lambeau knowing that a win locks up 434 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: the number one seed with with a week left to go. 435 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: So those are the that's this scenario where things stand 436 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: right now, Professor Spofford. Professor Spofford, because here's where I've 437 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: struggled with this, and I want you to to help 438 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: me with this. I know I'm putting you on the spot. 439 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: I hope you're smart enough. I know you are to 440 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: be able to I've heard this a lot though, of 441 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: why Green Bay is able to close it up. Why 442 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: would that be that they could actually close it against Minnesota. 443 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: Why would that last game against Detroit then become quote 444 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: unquote irrelevant in terms of the playoff picture? Because because 445 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: the Because the Cowboys would have five losses if they 446 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: were to lose. If they were to lose, and if 447 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: the Packers were to win, the worst the Packers would 448 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: have would be four lossless, and the Buccaneers and Rams 449 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: already have four losses. The best they can do is 450 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: thirteen and four, and if they finished tied with Green Bay, 451 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: the Packers have the tie breaker on both of those 452 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: teams based on a better NFC conference record, and if 453 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: it ends up a one to one tie with the Rams, 454 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: the Packers would have the head to head the Rams. 455 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: So that's why, because the Bucks four losses were against 456 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: the NFC. Correct, that's why you're Mike Spofford, and I 457 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: am very much not thank you very much for that, 458 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: but yeah, but the bottom line, the bottom line is 459 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: everybody in Packer Nation will be watching that Cowboys Cardinals 460 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: game leading up to the primetime game against the Vikings 461 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: because because if if the Cowboys lose, the Packers can 462 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: clinch the number one seed with the victory over the Vikings. 463 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: But if the Cowboys win, the shoe is on the 464 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: other foot in a sense, because then Cowboy Nation is 465 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: watching Packers Vikings, pulling for the Vikings because if the 466 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: Packers were to lose, then the Cowboys jump into the 467 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: catbird seat because of that conference record tiebreaker heading into 468 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: Week eighteen. So if the Cowboys don't lose, the Packers 469 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: need to win to maintain their position and to go 470 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: into Detroit in Week eighteen still with the opportunity to 471 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: lock it down themselves. We probably should review these games, 472 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: and I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves, 473 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: because you know thursdays for previewing the upcomponent. Have you 474 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: ever thought of a scenario where there are such high 475 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: stakes going into a weekend. What I mean by that 476 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: isn't just Green Bay in Dallas, Arizona needs to pick 477 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: itself up off the mat. I mean a team that 478 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: was at one point seven and o now is at 479 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: risk of falling to ten and six. I mean that 480 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: is that's a tough way for that season to go 481 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: for the cards, especially with the expectations levied upon them 482 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: earlier this season. From from Green Bay's perspective, though, the 483 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: way I look at this, Mike is to win. It 484 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: was an old Mike McCarthy theory. If you're gonna win, 485 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: if you're gonna get a buy in a different time, 486 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: you have to win and you have to take care 487 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: of business in your division. The green Bay Packers have 488 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: two NFC North matchups against opponents that on paper, you 489 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: should be I already know. I think the Packers are 490 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: significant favorites over the Vikings in this matchup. Whatever those 491 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: different scenarios are. It really does come down to you 492 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: taking business and you're taking care of business within your division, 493 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: and then you the conferences ultimate prize. Yeah absolutely, I mean, um, 494 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: it's all out there for Green Bay and we'll talk 495 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: more about about all the games the rest of the 496 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: games on the slate in Week seventeen in the NFL. 497 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm still gonna have a hard time saying Week seventeen 498 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: but not thinking it's the last I mean, yeah, and 499 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a hard time. I'm struggling. I'm struggling 500 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: with That's why I always have to think about what 501 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: is the week number? Because now Week eighteen is the 502 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: last one. But anyway, it's like I said, it's time 503 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: to go. I joke with you before. Just be happy. 504 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: You probably will be retired by the time week nineteen 505 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: gets here, all right, I won't be with that. We're 506 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: calling it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 507 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team. 508 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: We've got it all for you on Packers dot com. 509 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: For West, I'm Mike. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. We'll 510 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: see you next time.