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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Kyles forber and welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, rubin tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Zoleki. Brought

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Speaker 2: to you by the Foul Territory Network. Hope everybody is

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Speaker 2: doing well. It's Friday, January tenth, twenty twenty five. Guys,

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Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well. It is it's a time

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Speaker 1: It's freezing cold outside.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, guys, but once I

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Speaker 2: get past the holidays, the weather's miserable. It's cloudy, it's cold,

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Speaker 2: it's sleeting, it's snowing, and I start thinking about Florida.

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Speaker 1: I really start.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about the baseball season starting, and I often think

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Speaker 2: about that walk we often make from Bake Care Ballpark

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Speaker 2: that the little short walk, and then you see some

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Speaker 2: big leaguers over there, but you see a lot of

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Speaker 2: minor leaguers over there getting to get in an early

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Speaker 2: start on the season. And we were thinking about minor leaguers.

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Speaker 2: And when we think about when I think about minor

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Speaker 2: leaguers and prosper I think about none other than MLB pipelines.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Mayo. Jonathan, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 2: us today.

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Speaker 1: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: Much better after that introduction? Man, I have to have

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Speaker 3: you follow me around.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: For those that for the Phillies fans that don't know,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan is part of been with MLB dot Com, MLB

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Speaker 2: Pipeline forever.

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Speaker 1: How long Jonathan?

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Speaker 4: Twenty five plus years?

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Speaker 1: My friend, there we go, so that is a long time.

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Speaker 1: So Jonathan, we don't want to age. Jonathan is one.

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Speaker 2: Of the guys on the MLB Pipeline crew that puts

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Speaker 2: together the top one hundred prospects list. He puts together

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Speaker 2: the Phillies Top thirty prospects list. He is the guy

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Speaker 2: on MLB Network the first night of the draft talking

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Speaker 2: about his board and you know, guys that get taken,

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Speaker 2: He's the guy in Day two with Jim Kallis who

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Speaker 2: the Phillies will take Gabriel rinconas junior in the fourth round.

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Speaker 2: And he'll immediately go, here's what I got on this guy.

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Speaker 1: He knows it all. So we're excited to have you on.

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Speaker 4: John.

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Speaker 1: That's my little pumpy up.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate your Yeah, it's been nice talking to you.

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Speaker 4: See you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, out of here.

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Speaker 3: Now it's you know as now I'm actually we are

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Speaker 4: But obviously lining.

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Speaker 3: Up the guys, the Phillies, guys who belong on our

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Speaker 4: Right we're in it.

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Speaker 2: So that's always cool because that gets a lot of

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Speaker 2: people talking about, you know, prospects in Phillies prospect the

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Speaker 2: How many people are you talking to to put together

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Speaker 3: So the top one hundred we're working on right now

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Speaker 3: But we're putting together the top hundred now, and myself

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Speaker 5: And just to be just for to be clear, you

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Speaker 4: Otherwise why would I be on this podcast.

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Speaker 5: I just want to make yes, I do the Phillies.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, I was always it's great to have you on, Jonathan,

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Speaker 6: And I was always curious as a GM, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where the that's where the external feedback comes from.

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Speaker 5: I just I think this stuff is great for the game,

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Speaker 3: Now I remember there's a you maybe get a list

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Speaker 3: himself because he was so good in Jersey City to

441
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Speaker 3: earn that promotion up to double A.

442
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Speaker 5: So if we're on pitching, John, let me just interject

443
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Speaker 5: Moys's chasse. They picked him up in that trade with Baltimore,

444
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Speaker 5: if I'm recalling. I think the MLB pipeline has him

445
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 5: in the twenties yep. And I talk to other people

446
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 5: who like him a lot more than that. What is

447
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 5: your read on on Moys's chasse.

448
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 3: Well, keep in mind that when we when we when

449
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 3: I kind of threw him in, you know, and then

450
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: we we we do a re quick re ranking in

451
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: mid we call it mid season, but it's really August,

452
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: you post post trade deadline. It's not as thorough of

453
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Speaker 3: a process. So when I dig into the top thirties year,

454
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 3: you might see him, you know, moving up in Jim

455
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Speaker 3: feel free to take credit for that if you like,

456
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: you can say say I told them that people like

457
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: them better. So but you know, he's again not the

458
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: biggest guy in the world, but unlike Cabrera, he's really

459
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: strong and he's super athletic, so that gives him a

460
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: better chance to start in my book, if he can

461
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 3: throw more strikes.

462
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 4: The stuff is plenty good.

463
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: You know, the fastball, it's not a plus fastball, but

464
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: it's got right up in the zone. It's got a

465
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: low approach angle, so it's tougher to hit than it

466
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: should be based on the low nineties velocity. He's got

467
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Speaker 3: a good sweeper. The change up is coming, he just

468
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 3: needs to start throwing it more. So there's some very

469
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: interesting pieces there. And again, you know, we end up

470
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Speaker 3: saying this a lot with guys like this, just because

471
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Speaker 3: of his build and the command. But you know, if

472
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Speaker 3: you shorten a guy like him up and he's only

473
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Speaker 3: throwing an inning or two, then you're gonna see more

474
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Speaker 3: velocity and he could become a really exciting, high leverage

475
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 3: reliever late in games. And if that's your worst case scenario,

476
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Speaker 3: then that's a pretty good get.

477
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Speaker 5: Yeah, take that, You take that absolutely not Gregor Todd.

478
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: It was Gregory soa they got Seth john Seth Johnson, Seth.

479
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Johnson, Gregor, Yeah, yeah, Suth.

480
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: Johnson was came back in that deal, so that they

481
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Speaker 2: got a couple of decent pitching prospects.

482
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, they Seth Seth.

483
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: Made his debut in September, struggled in that one start,

484
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: But I know that they're hoping that those guys can

485
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: provide some depth moving forward for sure.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

487
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Speaker 2: And then you know, Ruben, you mentioned Aden Miller. I mean,

488
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Speaker 2: this guy's top one hundred. We've heard people say best

489
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Speaker 2: Phillies position player.

490
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Speaker 1: Prospects since Chase Utley. What do you think about that?

491
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Speaker 4: John?

492
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Speaker 6: Then?

493
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Speaker 3: Wow, Well, so I don't. I wasn't doing prospecting stuff

494
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: or I don't remember what that was we're saying about

495
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: Chase Utley as a prospect, So I don't. I'm not sure.

496
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 4: That.

497
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard when you're talking about a guy

498
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: had the career he had. It's hard not to think

499
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: of that when you're doing so. But people cannot rave

500
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: enough about Aidan Miller. And the fact of the matter

501
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: is that if Aidan Miller doesn't break his handmate his

502
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: senior year of high school. There is no way he's

503
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: a Philadelphia Philly. Wow, he should have gone higher given

504
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: what he did on the summer showcase circuit. Actually a

505
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: little surprised that no one took him sooner, But kudos

506
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: for the Phillies for not hesitating when he dropped in

507
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: their lap because he was one of He's one of

508
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: the better power hitting high school prospects I've seen in

509
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: quite some time because he could get to the power.

510
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: You know, there are guys you see, you have ridiculous

511
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: raw power, and they put on shows in batting practice.

512
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: Reuben you' probably seen when you've gone to see players

513
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: and you see a guy who're like, oh my goodness,

514
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: this is what they look like. And then in a

515
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: game they have no idea what they're doing. And but

516
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: Aiden Miller's got an approach. You know, he sees pitches,

517
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: he's got good plate discipline. He's gonna hit as well

518
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: as hip for power. So I think that's what makes

519
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: him exciting. I think the one thing that's been a

520
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: little surprising is that he's still been playing shortstop. I

521
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: still think he ends up at third base when all

522
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: said and done, but he might be a go glove

523
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: third basement. I mean, he's he's not it's he's athletic,

524
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: and I think that's why you leave him at short

525
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: to help work on the athleticism for as long as possible.

526
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 4: And I think that.

527
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: If we were still in the in the game with

528
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: the massive defensive shifting, maybe even stays there for longer

529
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: and you see him in the big leagues. Now, we've

530
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: all seen guys make it to the big leagues a

531
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: short stopped. I'm like, I never thought that was gonna happen,

532
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: you know. I think people were waiting for Corey Seger

533
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: to get shifted off to short forever and look at him.

534
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't want to say you never say never,

535
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: But he played a lot of third base on the

536
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 3: summer showcase circuit in high school. He looked very very

537
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: good there, and obviously the offense profiles perfectly at the

538
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: hot corner.

539
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 7: So do you see him as a Bregman type of

540
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 7: a comp as far as the ability to hit and

541
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 7: the combination of that and the power, or do you

542
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 7: see him as an even more powerful type of a

543
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 7: I mean, because Bregman sort of worked into.

544
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 6: His power obviously playing in Houston and with the short

545
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 6: portion and such.

546
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 4: I think.

547
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: I understand the I understand that that comp and I

548
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: think that he aiden is more power over hit now

549
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: than than than Bregman as a prospect. You know, when

550
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: Alex was coming up, you're like, oh, yeah, there's there's

551
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: there's pot. You saw the quick hands, the bat speed.

552
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: You knew there's gonna be some power there. But he's

553
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 3: turned more into that over time where I think, you know,

554
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: coming up, I thought Bregman was going to be kind

555
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: of a two eighty three hundred hit or maybe maybe

556
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: twenty homer kind of guy, you know, if it works out,

557
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 3: and I probably thought he'd end up at second base,

558
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: not that you know, but and so I think that

559
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: Miller's power potential now is much higher than what we

560
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: thought Regman's was at the time.

561
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Speaker 5: Interesting, that's really interesting to hear you say if he

562
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: didn't break his handmate, he's not there for the Phillies.

563
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, now he's a top I think he's

564
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: a top ten to fifteen.

565
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: Pick it.

566
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: It reminds me of gosh, it's been almost a generate.

567
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 5: It's a generation to go now. But there's no way

568
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 5: the Phillies get Cole Hamil's if he doesn't break his arm.

569
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 5: It's like a junior or a sophomore in high school,

570
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: and he's kind of slow coming back. But hey, if

571
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: that's what you get, you know, in terms of impact,

572
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: it's going to be a great thing. And hats off

573
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 5: of the Phillies for having the courage to take a

574
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 5: chance on Cole Hammil's their scouting staff and their medical people,

575
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 5: and and ditto on Aiden Miller, because it seems like

576
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 5: people almost as excited about Aden Miller as they are

577
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 5: Andrew Painter.

578
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

579
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: Sure, you know, especially I think because I mean, no

580
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: one's seen Painter for so long.

581
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: Wait, people are going to get excited about him.

582
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: But also, you know, as you pointed out like that,

583
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: there there hasn't been like a high, high profile Philly's

584
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: hitting prospect to make it. And I think the idea

585
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: that Miller could be that guy, you know, that's exciting

586
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: because he's a guy. You know, you're talking to a

587
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: guy who's gona play one hundred and fifty games, you know,

588
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: and has a chance to be an impact middle of

589
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: the order kind of bat. As good as Andrew Painter

590
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: might be, he's still only going to pitch every five days.

591
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 5: And it sounds like Miller could almost go anywhere on

592
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 5: the diamond, because I was speaking with someone from USA

593
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 5: Baseball and they said, you know, they played him in

594
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 5: corner outfield as a as a young player and he

595
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 5: was dynamite.

596
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it. I said.

597
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: It's you know, sometimes you have a guy who plays

598
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: shortstop in high school or even college, You're like, there's

599
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: no way he can play.

600
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: Short because he's just he's stiff. He's not athletic.

601
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: Aden Miller is pretty athletic, I mean, and that's why

602
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: he's played short for as long as he has. But

603
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: he's also like Jim. Not only does that show like

604
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: his athleticism, it also shows a willingness. You know, he's

605
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: got a really good head on his shoulders, and he's

606
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: not the kind of guys have no I'm a shortstop

607
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: or you know, no, I have to stay on the dirt,

608
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: you know. I think if if say he's in you know,

609
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: double A or triple A and there's a need in

610
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: left field, he's going to take reps in left field

611
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: when they ask him to, because he understands that's going

612
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: to get him to the big leaes and there's not

613
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: gonna be any complaining. He's gonna become the best left

614
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: fielder he can can be. You know, I don't think

615
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: he comes with that kind of ego that can be

616
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: a stumbling block for a lot of young players with

617
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: that kind of talent.

618
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 5: Wow, that's a great scouting report.

619
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Speaker 4: It's good stuff.

620
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Speaker 6: That sounds very much like Chase Suttley when he sort

621
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 6: of bounced him around a third base. You know, the

622
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 6: same sort of thing Chase said, You know, put me

623
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 6: where you were. You need to put me so I

624
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 6: can be in the big leagues and contribute.

625
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: Line up.

626
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: Line up is where I want to be, right, it

627
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, right, I mean, I think if you asked

628
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: Adan Miller to catch, he probably would consider it.

629
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: That would be a bad idea, by the way.

630
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's funny you should say that because

631
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 6: there aren't that many guys who I shouldn't say there

632
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 6: aren't that many guys.

633
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 7: But that's not like the driving force of a lot

634
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 7: of guys. Hey, this this is my position.

635
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to go out on my comfort zone.

636
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: And so you love that about a player. Yeah, absolutely.

637
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned catching Jonathan this year. This is

638
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: J T. Rail Muto's last year of his contract. He'll

639
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: be a free agent after the season.

640
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, they traded Logan Ohoppy to

641
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: the Angels for Brandon.

642
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Marsh and so they might need to replace JT after

643
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: the season. What do you think of some of the

644
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: Phillies catching.

645
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: Prospects, you know, starting with Edward otayit you know, Caleb

646
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: Bricketts is in your top thirty.

647
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: You know what jumps out. I know the Phillies are

648
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: super high on Tay.

649
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: You know, Dave Dombrowski has mentioned several times, even a

650
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, we were getting calls in this guy.

651
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: I know you don't know about him, but we've been

652
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: getting calls in this kid, Tay, this catcher down in

653
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: the you know, in the lower levels. And now he's

654
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: I think he's fourth, fourth on your list.

655
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would say, like, oh, he could move up,

656
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: but I'm looking at the top three.

657
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 4: He will not.

658
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: But don't be surprised. We haven't figured it out. If

659
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: he's not on our top one hundred, he probably will

660
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: be soon. That said, he's not gonna be ready in

661
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: a year, so they're gonna have to find a stop gap.

662
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: But he's he's kind of who I was thinking of,

663
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, when we were talking earlier about these younger

664
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: guys who you want to see what they do once

665
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: they get here. And you know, he hit really well

666
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: in the Dominican Summer League, but like everybody hits well,

667
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: Todd I think would hit two seventy in the Dominican

668
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: Summer League.

669
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: I felt I needed to spread it around. I was

670
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: making fun of Ruben too much. But you know, so

671
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: then he comes to.

672
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: The States and he absolutely rakes in the Complex League

673
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: and gets himself promoted to clear Water where he holds

674
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: his own as a seventeen year old. You know, he

675
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: turned eighteen at the very end of the summer, so

676
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: you know he's exciting.

677
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: Now.

678
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: It may take some time, you know, but he's got

679
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: the chance to be able to do everything. You know,

680
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: stick it behind the plate, hit, he's got a good approach.

681
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: There's power there. I mean, he has a chance to

682
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: be a very good Big league regular catcher. But he's

683
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: pretty far away. And because of the the responsibilities of catching,

684
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: sometimes it can take those guys little bit it longer

685
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: to get there. So you don't want to just sort

686
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: of say, oh, let's let's rush him up.

687
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: The ladder.

688
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: I listen, you see what the Padres did with with

689
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 3: Ethan Sallis, who was super advanced because he was already

690
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: bilingual and things like that. And I think they did

691
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: him a disservice by by moving him that quickly. So

692
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: now he's got a good head on his shoulders. I

693
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: actually think Ethan Sallas is gonna be just fine, but

694
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: it may it's taking him a little bit longer. And

695
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: he was, you know, so advanced in terms of his mindset.

696
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: So and I don't I don't know Edward to tight like,

697
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 3: I don't know what makes them tick and things like that.

698
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: But by and large, the younger catchers it can can

699
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: take a little bit longer because they're there's so much

700
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: to learn on both sides of the ball.

701
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: John, let's shift a leap a little bit of gear here,

702
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 5: so center field for the Phillies, I guess maybe with

703
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: a brief exception here here and there has been kind

704
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 5: of a revolving door for many years. Can Justin Crawford

705
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: be the guy that you know, nails it down for

706
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 5: a long time?

707
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: I think so, you know, I know people will talk

708
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: about the ground ball rate and things like that. I

709
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: think that he has shown improvement in his ability to

710
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 3: impact the baseball in each of the last two seasons,

711
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: particularly last year.

712
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 4: Listen, I don't think he's ever going to be a

713
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 4: power guy, you know.

714
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: And it's funny if this were the nineteen eighties, no

715
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: one would say a thing, right, he'd be that sort

716
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: of prototype, typical guy. I think as long as he

717
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: continues to refine his approach and see pitches and be

718
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: that on base, top of the order catalyst, then yes,

719
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: and he's gotten stronger. I actually got a chance to

720
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: sit down with him this fall, right before he went

721
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: to play for Team USA, and like he understands those criticisms.

722
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: To his credit, he didn't get all bulked up and

723
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: try to lift and separate every time up and sell

724
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: out for power because that would get him too the

725
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 3: big leagues.

726
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: He's he's kind of been who he is and that's

727
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: that's his ticket.

728
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: You know, you can't teach speed, and you know, and

729
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: he knows how to use it, and I think he

730
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: will continue to add strength to where you're not gonna

731
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: worry about him, you know, just rolling weak round balls

732
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: all the time and you have lower levels of the miners.

733
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: The issue is that you can hit.

734
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: A groundball and out outrun the infielders a lot at

735
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: the time when you have that kind of speed, and

736
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: that's not going to work long term in the big leagues.

737
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: So as long as he manages his swing and miss,

738
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 3: you know, he'll be like a better version of Billy

739
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: Hamilton with I think the ability to drive the ball more.

740
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: He's physical, right if you have you guys talked to

741
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: him up close, it's not like he's he's five to eight,

742
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: you know, or he's spin like there's some strength for

743
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: there for him to tap into and not for him

744
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: to tap into, like I said, to try to hit

745
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: the ball over the fence, you know, but so he

746
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: doesn't get the bat knocked out of his hands by

747
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: big league pitchers. And I think he's going to be

748
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: able to do that, and I think it's not going

749
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: to take that much longer. Like I think twenty twenty

750
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: five could be a year where it really clicks for

751
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: him and you could see him in September if.

752
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: There's a need and the defense is stellar, yes, yeah,

753
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: and he you know, and it's going to continue to

754
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: get better.

755
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: You know.

756
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: He has the ability to outrun mistakes he makes and

757
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: reads and routes, and that's continued to improve.

758
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 4: So, like, I think that he's going to be just fine.

759
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 7: So this is going to be a strange question.

760
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 6: Do you see and I don't know, you know, the

761
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 6: whole picture where the phillies are. Do you see at

762
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 6: the beginning of his career possible platoon situation? Is this

763
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: guy handled left handers? Well, he's a left handed hitter,

764
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 6: Rojas is a right n hitor. Is there a possibility

765
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 6: that there's a platoon type situation, especially early in his

766
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 6: career or do you think this guy is in every

767
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: day you know, every day guy handling you know, left handers.

768
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I think if you want to ease

769
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: them in that way, I suppose you could do that.

770
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: You know, you don't bring a first rounder up to

771
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 3: the big leagues to have him be granted on the

772
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: long side of a platoon. He's hit lefties, okay, at

773
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: least this last year. I didn't know the splits off

774
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: the top of my head. But uh, you know, he

775
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: had an eight to fifteen ops against righty's and a

776
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: seven thirty four ops against lefties. It's not great, but

777
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: it's not awful. But he also had sixty one played

778
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: appearances against left handers. That some of that that's hard.

779
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 6: You know, we'll get significantly more at the big leagues nowadays.

780
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: Right, right, No, And that's you know, that's always been

781
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: the case. But we've seen over years and years and

782
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: years of guys who like they have they have a

783
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: reputation that they can't hit lefties until they're given a

784
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 3: chance to hit lefties regularly, and then they're okay, They're

785
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: probably always going to be a split.

786
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: I guess you could.

787
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 6: Do that, but back in the day that was something

788
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 6: that you sort of introduced.

789
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 7: The guy in did that a little bit with Utlely,

790
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 7: but then he obviously became Utly right.

791
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: I think depending on like if the you know, let's

792
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: say he comes up things really clicking the miners and

793
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: they want to bring up at some point in the

794
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: second half of this season.

795
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 4: That's a pretty quick timetable.

796
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: But let's say, you know that that might make a

797
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 3: lot of sense, especially because everyone expects the Phillies to

798
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: contend and then sort of kind of take the handcuffs

799
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: off and let him play, you know, every day. Uh,

800
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, I think he's going to hit lefties more

801
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: than well enough to do it long term, but if

802
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 3: you want to ease him in that way, that's fine.

803
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 4: You know.

804
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: The The problem is that sometimes it's a self fulfilling

805
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: prophecy where you don't let a guy hit lefties, and

806
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: then suddenly he's a guy who can't hit lefties, and like.

807
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: Well, how do you know?

808
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 6: No, I understand, Yeah, yeah, makes sense, no doubt.

809
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: I Jonathan I one last one for me.

810
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: We had pressed him mandingly on in late October, and

811
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: then Luke Martin on in November after he got promoted.

812
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: We asked each of them, is there an unsung guy

813
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: or a guy that we don't talk about a lot

814
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: that that really gets you excited? And Preston mentioned Gabriel

815
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: Conis Junior, and I think Luke Merton mentioned Auto Kemp

816
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: And I'm just not.

817
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Necessarily to talk about either of those guys.

818
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: But do you have a guy that maybe under the

819
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: radar guy I guess on your top on the top.

820
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: Thirty list that like, I'm kind of interested this season

821
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: to see what this guy does?

822
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: Maybe you know below you know, the heavy hitters that

823
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: we talk about a lot, Is there anybody on that

824
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: list you're kind of curious about?

825
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: Maybe more so than others.

826
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny because I just saw Auto Kemp

827
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: in the Fall League.

828
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: Yes, that's yeah, you did, And I remember you shot

829
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: me at a text thing.

830
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: This guy can hit.

831
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: This guy can hit well, and he reminds me, and

832
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: he reminds me of it shows you my institutional memory.

833
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: The guy who was incredible in the fall of the

834
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: year before they traded to Milwaukee.

835
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that yes, I know exactly.

836
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 4: Come on, Oliver, Oliver Dune.

837
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 3: And and when I talked to Auto Kemp, he even said, like,

838
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: seeing what done did in the Fall League made him think, well,

839
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: why can't I do it? It's kind of similar profiles. Uh,

840
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 3: just in terms of you, He's probably gonna move around

841
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: a little bit. Auto is probably a little more physical.

842
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he's an everyday guy. But if you

843
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: told me that he's the kind of guy that you

844
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: have moving around and gets four hundred played appearances on

845
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: a championship caliber team, I believe that he was a

846
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: little bit older, So he's not like, oh, he's he's

847
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: really exciting. You know what I would like to see.

848
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: I would like to see Christian McGowan stay healthy. Interesting,

849
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: just because I'm trying to again. Obviously I'll use my

850
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: own familiarity buys because I saw him pitch really well

851
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: in the Fall League, and and he's a guy whose

852
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: name has come up a lot like I because of

853
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: the injuries. I keep wanting to kind of shove him

854
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: off the list or way down the and then it's like, well,

855
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: you know people ask about him, or you know another

856
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: team's mentioned him. The stuff is good. So I'd like

857
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: to see him put together like a full healthy year.

858
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: Now he's gonna turn twenty five, I need to pick

859
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: a younger guy to be really excited about.

860
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 8: Right, But no, I mean that works, that doesn't know,

861
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 8: because because he may impact if he's an older guy

862
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 8: and he's yes, well, I mean David, I wasn't afraid

863
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 8: to bring that guy.

864
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 4: Right.

865
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: I might put him in the bullpen, right, I would

866
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: put him in the bullpen. At this point, they were

867
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: keeping him stretched out because he needed reps. The one

868
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 3: guy I will the other guy I'll bring up because

869
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: he was you know, Jim Colson and I break up

870
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: the draft, you know, sort of split the country in half.

871
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: And Griffin Burkholder was from my as we called neck

872
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: of the draft, and he is He's really interesting and

873
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: obviously the Phillies thoughts are too to go over slot

874
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: to sign him. But he's super athletic. Uh, he kind

875
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: of fits the the mold. He's strong and athletic, there's

876
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: some raw power.

877
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: He can really really run. You know.

878
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: I think that if for whatever reason, Justin Crawford needs

879
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: to move over to left field in a few years,

880
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: Griffenberg Holder might be your center fielder.

881
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 4: We'll give him.

882
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 5: I was going to ask you about him because they

883
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 5: call him a late bloomer, very athletic. He was going

884
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: to go to West Virginia. And how do you so

885
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 5: he was the second round pick. Norri was the first

886
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 5: round pick. How do you compare contrast those guys and

887
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 5: what do you see in terms of those two guys ceiling?

888
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: I mean they both have really high ceilings. Norri. You know,

889
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: if you you.

890
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: Guys talk to any scouts like in the area, if

891
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: you ever like dig into him, they love Dante Norri

892
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: like it's I've never seen and he's from Jim's part

893
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 3: of the country. But people will talk about Dante Noriy

894
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: without being asked, just because of the makeup, how hard

895
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: he works, feel for the game.

896
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: All those things.

897
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: The thing that sort of made him a surprising first

898
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: round pick is his age. You know, and he's one

899
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: though he's twenty. Listen, that's a soapbox gym and I

900
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: get on all the time in terms of the age thing. Now,

901
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: with the teams having models guys like that, there were

902
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: a number of teams that wouldn't consider him at all,

903
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: let alone in the first round. And I remember years

904
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: ago when Brett Batty was coming out and everyone was

905
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: talking about, oh, he's nineteen, And I get it, especially

906
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: when the guy, you know, Nori is playing in a

907
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: part of the country where the high school competition isn't great.

908
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: You know, we played in the summer Showcase circuit. You

909
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: saw what it looked like there. You have to evaluate

910
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: how he does things regardless of the of the competition,

911
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: which is tough. But you know, with a guy like

912
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 3: Brett Baty or even a guy like Dante Nori, they're

913
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, we can't take him. But in two

914
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: years when he's a draft eligible sophomore, boy, that's an

915
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: incredible fun Now you have two years of college data.

916
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: I get, I understand the reasoning, but I'm like, sometimes

917
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 3: you're missing out. I'm really really good players if you

918
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: think he's good. So you know, I think the cases,

919
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: you know, with the Phillies, they really like Norri, you know,

920
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: And at that part of the draft it was it's

921
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: always a crapshoot, but it wasn't that people screaming to

922
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: be taken right there. And I think maybe they had

923
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: a sense that he wasn't going to be around for

924
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: their second round pick, so they said, you know, we're

925
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: going to take the guy that we really like and

926
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: we really believe in the makeup and the tools, and

927
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. But you won't find a guy

928
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: that scouts aren't. You know who scouts root for more

929
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: than Dante Nori.

930
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 5: So John, obviously you're a storyteller at heart. You get

931
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: to know these kids, you're right about these kids. You

932
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 5: ever build a relationship with a kid, and then you know,

933
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 5: six months later he texts you and says, Hey, why

934
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 5: am I so low on the list?

935
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: So it's been known to it's been known to happen.

936
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: I have some DMS I can show you at another

937
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: time that I won't share right now. The thing that's crazy.

938
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: Every once in a while people will jokingly and I'll

939
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: tell like a couple of sort of fun stories that

940
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: I know players won't mind me telling because it's more

941
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: about certain tools.

942
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 4: So one is Brett Phillips.

943
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: And everyone knows Brett Phillips' personality and he did this

944
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 3: all with the biggest heart that you can imagine. But

945
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: I think we had posted a highlight of him making

946
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: some just absolutely ridiculous throw from right field. He was

947
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: still a prospect, and he kind of was like, tweeted,

948
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: that's not an eighty arm.

949
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: I don't know what is. So we kind of like

950
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: we talked it over and.

951
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: We're like, you know what, Brett Phillips, you're right, and

952
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: we changed it to an eighty arm and we haven't

953
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: had very arms. And then the other the other sort

954
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: of joking thing I had was when Julio Rodriguez was

955
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: coming up and he worked really hard. Now this is funny,

956
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: this is contradicting why I said that you can't teach speed,

957
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: but you can improve your speed, and that guy I

958
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: worked tirelessly on his athleticism and his speed. Like I

959
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: think people thought he was going to be a sort

960
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: of a power hitting right fielder, and he got faster

961
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: and faster, and I remember telling him it was in

962
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: the Futures Game, and I told him that if he

963
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: stole a base in the Futures Game, I changed his

964
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: speed grade.

965
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: To a sixty. It was the Futures Game.

966
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: Maybe it was the False Stars Game, one of those

967
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: kind of things. And the funny thing is is they

968
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: stole third, but overslid third and got tagged out, and

969
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: I told him it didn't count.

970
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 4: But I mean, he was very good natured about it.

971
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: The thing that every once in a while, you get

972
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: a player, even a guy who's like made it to

973
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: the big leagues who and a lot of these guys,

974
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: you know, they used the chip on that shoulder to

975
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: motivate them, and so they feel that they got slighted

976
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: with how they were ranked or how things were graded out.

977
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: And every once in.

978
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: A while, I've like I've gotten a big leaguer to

979
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: have complained, either publicly or on DM we like, what

980
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: are you doing right? I can't believe you ranked me there?

981
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: And and I'm like, did You've been in the big

982
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 3: leagues for six years? Who cares? I'm wrong? All the time,

983
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: we are often like and we met it it's part.

984
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: Of what we do.

985
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: But like it's it's it's fascinating to me that people care, like,

986
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: maybe use a different chip on your shoulder, like with

987
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: that much big league success or a big league track record,

988
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: you know someone else must have slighted you other than

989
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: how Jonathan Mayo rated you on your on your team list.

990
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: It's holding onto it, holding onto it forever and.

991
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: Whatever works for them. I don't lose sleep over.

992
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: It, exactly right, nor should you. Man, Jonathan, Hey, thanks

993
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show. This is great.

994
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I know fans are excited for the spring

995
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: and they're excited for to see how these prospects develop,

996
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 2: and we'll see a lot of them at the Spring

997
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: Breakout game coming back in March for those fans that

998
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: don't know spring Breakout. Uh. Every organization takes their top prospects,

999
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: puts them on a team together, some for a lot

1000
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: of these guys first time ever playing with one of

1001
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: the other guys in the system, and then they go

1002
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: play another team's.

1003
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: Top top prospects.

1004
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: Last year it was the Phillies went to Lakeland played

1005
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 2: the Tiger's top prospects.

1006
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect John that.

1007
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: I really thought it was a lot of fun and

1008
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: it was fun to hear the players like Aiden Miller

1009
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: say I got to.

1010
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: Play with Justin Crawford.

1011
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: Today, or you know Abel saying it was cool to

1012
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: play with Aiden Miller, Like I heard about this dude

1013
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: and I've seen him at the complex, but to actually

1014
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: be you know, look behind him and see Aiden Miller

1015
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: behind me playing shortstop was pretty sick. You know, Justin Crawford,

1016
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: same thing, all those guys. So I'm looking forward to

1017
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: seeing that again. I think fans that that went to

1018
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: the game's got a lot of a lot a big

1019
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: kick out of it. And I know you guys put

1020
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: a lot of work into you know, getting it together

1021
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: and putting together the rosters and helping put together the

1022
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: rosters or you know whatever, and it's a lot of fun.

1023
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: So well, yeah, no, we enjoy it and we're hoping

1024
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 3: to continue to you know, be kind of similar.

1025
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: To last year's feel.

1026
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: But we get a lot of feedback that even people

1027
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: within baseball would love to see it be.

1028
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: Some kind of I wouldn't.

1029
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: The timing of it is tough, but like an nd

1030
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: season tournament or a lead into the Fall League, you know,

1031
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: like wayte so you can have now it's the end

1032
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: of the year, so you know, you run in the

1033
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: same problem in terms of using pitchers, but like I

1034
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 3: think that there are ways to build it out even

1035
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: more hopefully, So it's not just that like one off

1036
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: because I was at last year.

1037
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 4: I was at.

1038
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: The Paul Skins versus Jackson Holiday game, which was the

1039
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 3: yes kind of the whole reason, and the buzz in

1040
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: that place was incredible and it was amazing, and it

1041
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: was over really fast.

1042
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 4: Schemes through one thing and was.

1043
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: Ticked because he wanted to He threw like eight pitches

1044
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: and he wanted to throw like he wanted to go

1045
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: a second. You've seen him compete in the National League now,

1046
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: so you see where it comes from. And we all

1047
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: wanted to see him throw a second but they had,

1048
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: you know, they had a plan worked out.

1049
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: And it is it is what it is.

1050
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have minded seeing a little bit more

1051
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: of that kind of thing. And and if you have

1052
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: a little bit of a tournament, then maybe maybe you

1053
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 3: get a chance to expand the looks at these guys

1054
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: to national audience.

1055
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was really cool.

1056
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: And again I think a spring breakout, I think of

1057
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: warm weather in Florida, so We're all excited. So Jonathan,

1058
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: thanks again for coming on man. We appreciate it and

1059
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: we will be back next week.

1060
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 5: Thank you, jon.

1061
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