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Speaker 1: Here we go, earning their stripes prepares you for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one MLB Draft. I'm Eli Susman on the

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes podcast channel, where we cover the Miami Marlins

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Speaker 1: every day in our own way. This pod is presented

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Speaker 1: by Symbol the Stock Market for Sports. It's pretty self explanatory.

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Speaker 1: This is our Marlins draft preview. The franchise will select

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Speaker 1: twenty one players in the coming days, hopefully several of

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Speaker 1: whom will make their way to Miami as impactful big

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Speaker 1: leaguers later this decade. Don't rush them, don't rush them.

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Speaker 1: It's a process. Who are the top prospects in this

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Speaker 1: year's draft class? What player characteristics do the Barlins care

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Speaker 1: about more than other franchises. We'll go into that and

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more. And we have to help me

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Speaker 1: with this because I'm not all that locked into the

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Speaker 1: amateur side as I wish I could be. We have

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Speaker 1: Spencer Morris, we have Hector Rodriguez. Later on in the show,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have Ian Smith from Prospects Live in Prospects

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Speaker 1: three sixty five. As we're just days away from the

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Speaker 1: start of this MLB draft. Thank you guys for hopping on.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, happy to be here as well.

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Speaker 2: We will.

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Speaker 1: Before we look forward to these next few days with

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Speaker 1: this big draft coming up, we want to look back

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Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty draft that happens last summer for

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Speaker 1: the Marlins, one that was pretty widely praised. A lot

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Speaker 1: of hype went into it. It was an all pitching draft.

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Speaker 1: They originally took six guys, Max Meyer, Dax Fulton, Kyle Nicholas,

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Speaker 1: Zach mccamberley, Jake Eaterer, and Kyle Hurt. And Hurt has

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Speaker 1: in affiliated ball since then. But those top five guys,

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Speaker 1: they've all been healthy. They've all been starting this season.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go through their stats in a bit

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Speaker 1: because it is bonkers how they're doing. But I'll start

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Speaker 1: with Spencer on this because I remember that you were

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Speaker 1: pretty high on Max Meyer entering the draft process and

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Speaker 1: happy that Marlins got him with what was number three

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Speaker 1: compared to your expectations? Understanding that you're probably pretty high

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Speaker 1: to the halfway point of the season, what are your

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Speaker 2: I mean, overall, I think the impressions have to be

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Speaker 2: pretty highly positive. I was very high on Meyer. I

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Speaker 2: think what we've seen out of him so far is

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Speaker 2: on the whole, it's the same stuff we saw in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. You know, that twenty twenty sample was very small,

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Speaker 2: and I think, you know, part of the reason that

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Speaker 2: But and that part of his game, you know, has

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Speaker 1: I'm not yet. I was petitioning for.

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Speaker 1: Hector, anything you want to add on any of those guys.

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Speaker 3: And obviously Max Myers when the Martins drafted him third overall,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Meyer is below average relative to the other drafts

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Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. I think as people were

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Speaker 1: I guess there are ye just a few cases of

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Speaker 1: number sixteen overall. The dj Sphilick, the Marlins director of

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Speaker 4: So to your point, are we any closer? Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think we're closer. I think we got a nice group

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Speaker 4: this year. They're just too good. I think we're we've

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Speaker 1: Where's last year, I mean, things were almost wide open

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Speaker 1: they wanted to so last year. It's quite a contrast

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Speaker 1: on them because they're going to be picked in that

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Speaker 1: doing this amazing job on these draft profiles on fist tripes.

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Speaker 1: I think we're up to about fifteen individual players that

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Speaker 1: back to what DJ said about six or seven players

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Speaker 1: you just briefly mentioned who you think those players are

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the biggest position of need catcher.

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Speaker 3: The number one catcher in the draft is Henry Davis

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Speaker 3: catcher at of Louisville. He's not he might even be

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Speaker 3: I think will end up being marcelle O may Or,

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Speaker 3: I probably would have done something for Henry Davis because

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Speaker 3: team range. So if he was in that range, you know,

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Speaker 3: later on in the draft, I would have done the

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Speaker 3: like grows, he had an incredible junior season, and it

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Speaker 3: was pretty obvious that the Manes, We're not going to

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Speaker 3: I didn't waste my time with the two Vandy arms,

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Speaker 3: Kumar and Jack. Even though kuon Mar's following, He's not

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Speaker 3: I mean, let me just go take him and then

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Speaker 3: we'll deal with how much signing Poe, what the signing

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Speaker 3: I'm didn't bother with his Jordan law or Khalil Watson

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Speaker 3: Jackson jobs the number one high school right handed pitcher

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Speaker 3: Ty Madden the college pitcher from the University of Texas,

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Speaker 3: I think he actually goes tenth overall to the Mets

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Speaker 3: and South Front like the outfielder out of Boston College

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Speaker 3: he's the number one, number one high high school, the

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Speaker 3: I thought he would go somewhere in the top ten,

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Speaker 3: maybe even like sneak into the eleven, twelve, thirteen range.

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Speaker 3: After that, Yeah, I think everyone's available for the Martlins,

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Speaker 3: a possibility that that could happen. Matt mcclan who's my

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Speaker 3: number one option, I think he's more of a pipe

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Speaker 3: twelfth overall to the Seattle Manners. It seems like that's

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Speaker 1: Mack and yeah, I could just name positive right there, Hector.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into most of those guys. But the first

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Speaker 1: one you did mention was Matt McClain, and I think

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Speaker 1: Fishtripes the same day this podcmets out where I think

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Speaker 1: Spencer on Matt McClain is what are your quick thoughts

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Speaker 2: I agree, he's probably not going to be on the board.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the best guy to ask about like who's

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Speaker 2: looking at who? A more player focused, but I would

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Speaker 2: think that a guy with a floor that high in

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Speaker 2: of that on the board. I like McClain. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that I would pick him if I, you know,

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Speaker 2: He's just not really my kind of player. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot to like about him. He's going to offer whatever

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Speaker 2: able to handle it. He has all the tools to

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Speaker 2: I definitely think he would be an outstanding second basement.

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Speaker 2: I think he could play center field. The speed plays

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Speaker 2: there's value in that. Certainly. I don't want to, you know,

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Speaker 2: more pop than he offers. And I've seen, you know,

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Speaker 2: thing I would add is that I think that Madden

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Speaker 2: there's a chance that Frelic will could be Madden. I

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Speaker 2: I just think he's been passed up by some other

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Speaker 2: At this point, I think he goes probably in the

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Speaker 1: So one other important comment that DJ's Philip kind of

431
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Speaker 1: snuck into his media availability. Actually, I should say this

432
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Speaker 1: has come from reporting from the Miami Herald that they're

433
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Speaker 1: pretty convinced at the Herald that at both number sixteen

434
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Speaker 1: and thirty one that the Marlins are going to focus

435
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Speaker 1: on position players. They didn't actually go out on the

436
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: limit like guarantee that's going to happen, and no specific

437
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: names have been floated about that. We'll go to Hector

438
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Speaker 1: on this first, because he's been pretty consistent with this.

439
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: He kind of adds a note at almost all the

440
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Speaker 1: bottom of all these draft profiles about how you know

441
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Speaker 1: the Marlins went really heavy on pitching last year and

442
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: their offense at the higher levels of the FUM system

443
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: and then the Major's kind of stinks, so they should

444
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: prioritize bats. Could you just expand on that hector about

445
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: like you think, I guess you'd kind of agree with

446
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: this sentiment that the Marlins are focused on bats with

447
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: those two highest picks. Why do you think that's so

448
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: important that they focus on position instead of like best

449
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: talent available?

450
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: Well, to me, it depends on what type of picture

451
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 3: is available. Like if a guy like Sam Bachman falls,

452
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: I think I had him at number two. If Bachman falls,

453
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: that's a guy that when I was reading his draft profile,

454
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 3: I read and I was like, man, am I reading

455
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: about Max Fire? Or is this Sam Bachman? So Bachman's

456
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: my number two because I just I love what I

457
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: see for him. Again, two illy pitches and a guy

458
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: that throws, you know it doesn't throw with a lot

459
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: of efforts, kind of effortless. He can get up to

460
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 3: one hundred and one as a starter. Now as a closer,

461
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: he can get up to hundred one as a starter.

462
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: Playing simple the Marnins, you look at a lot of

463
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: these hitting prospects, and some of these guys had you know,

464
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: have great tools, but their hating tool is the one

465
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 3: that's lacking a little bit. So that's why if I

466
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: were the Martins, and I don't think their player development

467
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: has done a great job of developing that hit tool

468
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Speaker 3: consistently because we have seen I mean Victor Victor Missa

469
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 3: was supposed to be, you know, a guy that just

470
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: gets a lot of these hits.

471
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Speaker 1: And people, I warn people not to look at his

472
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one stats.

473
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Speaker 3: They are hideous, man, Yeah they're bad. Monte was is

474
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: always going to have a high strike out, right, but

475
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 3: he hasn't you know, he struggles putting the ball in play.

476
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: Lewis Princeton has had that issue. Isan like incredible and

477
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: triple and everyone was hoping that he could be like

478
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: the next best thing for the Marlins, and he hasn't.

479
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 3: The only hitting prospect that I've really seen, like absolutely

480
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 3: like tear it up and have like success in the

481
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: big leagues from this work from this group, and now

482
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Speaker 3: the previous one is Jazz. Obviously, you see some good,

483
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: nice things with hazers Sanchez. I mean that last game

484
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: he hits two really hard. He made hard contact twice

485
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: and then his last dayb just went the other way,

486
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: no recognizing, Hey, they're pulling, they're playing me pull side.

487
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna flick it the other way if he

488
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 3: gives me the opportunity. So you know, you have some

489
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Speaker 3: hope with Hazus that he can continue to develop his

490
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: hit tool. Well, that's why, like I prior oritize guys

491
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: that can you know, produce that can get on base

492
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: and that can make solid contact. That's why you know

493
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Speaker 3: Matt was my number one guy because I don't think

494
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: there's a college bat maybe Henry Davis, that has a

495
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 3: better hit tool than Matt McClain. And that's why I

496
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: value him. So that's why I value him as so highly.

497
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: Harry Ford is another guy. He has a pretty good

498
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Speaker 3: hit tool for especially for a catcher. I know there's

499
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: a lot of Custer marks with catchers in the hit tool,

500
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 3: but I mean, he's the guy that he's so athletic

501
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: that if he doesn't play the catch position, and that's okay,

502
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: he can go to second third, you can put him

503
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: in the outfield necessary. But the biggest thing with him

504
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: is I just need he needs to produce up to play.

505
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: That's why I also went with Colton Collegers draft profile

506
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: because that's a guy that hits high foreverage. Granted, the

507
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: competition he played at sam Uston in the state wasn't

508
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: the best, but even when he did play against competition

509
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: that was more that was closer to what he what

510
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: his capabilities are. He didn't like, he didn't struggle, he

511
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: was able to compete and actually sometimes excel. That's why,

512
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: even though he is out of a very small college,

513
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: MLB Pipelin has him as the number ten prospect in

514
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Speaker 3: the entire draft. So that's that's why I'm looking at hit.

515
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Speaker 3: I think a catcher's got to go one of the

536
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: first two picks, one of the first three picks at least,

537
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: and there are some options. Maybe it's Harry Forward the

538
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 3: first pick likely. But the guy that I think could

539
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: be an absolute stud for the Marlins is Matthew Nelson

540
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: out of FSU. I think Nelson is a very solid

541
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: defensive guy, but is also a guy that tore it

542
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 3: up this season. Hit I think he hit like about

543
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: three thirty three, but the big thing that surprised me

544
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: was his power numbers. He hit about twenty three bombs.

545
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, he was tied for first in

546
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: all of college baseball with home runs. You also have

547
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: Adrian del Castile, a guy with a great head tool,

548
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: but his power numbers were down. Out of the University

549
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: of Miami. Luca Trust was a guy that was looking

550
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: up earlier in the year, but his offense, you know, struggle.

551
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: You know, he really struggled offensively this season for Anti State,

552
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: So he's fallen on some draft boards. But yeah, I mean,

553
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: the Margins need to get guys that can put the

554
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: ball in play and make things happen. And I feel

555
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: like those three catchers are probably your best bets if

556
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: you are going to draft. To catch within the first

557
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Speaker 3: sight three picks of your of this.

558
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Speaker 1: Draft, well, well, Spencer, you knew it was coming. But

559
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: one to get into Harry Ford a little bit more

560
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: in particular here because he has been mocked to the

561
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Marlins at least once by Pipeline, and I think maybe

562
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: once by Baseball America. I don't think.

563
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: Any prospects lives.

564
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll pal ian Ian Smith, who I don't

565
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: think is gonna be able to join us, but he

566
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: was the one that they did a full mock with

567
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: one person actually representing each team, and he was the

568
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: one that really likes Harry Ford at that spot. And

569
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Speaker 1: I'll shout out Alex Carver of Fish on the Farm.

570
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: He wanted us to talk about this a little more

571
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: about just the entire mindset of drafting prep catchers and

572
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: using one of your top picks on them. The Marlins

573
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: a few years ago in twenty eighteen, they took will Banfield,

574
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: not in the first round, but they almost paid him

575
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: like first round money to get him out of his

576
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt commit And so far in the pros, he's amazing defensively,

577
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: but hasn't progressed offensively, and it's looking like that might

578
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: not have been the best use of that pick, but

579
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: still kind of early with him. This seems to come

580
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: up a lot in terms of when talking about the

581
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: draft and that subgroup in particular of prep catchers, where

582
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: in this case it seems that Harry Ford is definitely

583
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: the top guy in that group, although there are some

584
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: others near him that could be targets either with sixteen

585
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: or more likely with number thirty one. We've seen Ford,

586
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, mock to the Maarlins. So what is do

587
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: you think that would be worth it if he is

588
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: available to them, What are the pros and the cons

589
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: of going after him?

590
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that I have Harry Ford

591
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: as roughly like a top eight player in the class overall.

592
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised that he's not being projected really

593
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: much at all for some of those higher picks, because

594
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's well worth it. Like I've

595
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about this before, Like the prospect

596
00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: graveyard is just full of once promising prep catches looked

597
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: like world beaters when they were in high school, and

598
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: the total package all this, Like I could go, I

599
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: could talk at length about all the prep catchers that

600
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: I've fallen in love with in the last ten years,

601
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: only to have my dreams completely crushed in sometimes very quickly,

602
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: sometimes slowly and painfully. But Ford is just he's just

603
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: a different animal. And like I think, you know, if

604
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: he's on the board at sixteen, he's the pure best

605
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: player available unless something truly weird has happened for me.

606
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Like when I first took a look at him, you

607
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: see the body and you're like, all right, it's a

608
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: good like catcher's body, Like it's a guy you can

609
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: see sticking behind the plate, but the way he moves

610
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: and swings the bat if that size is truly rare.

611
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: Like you just you don't see guys who can move

612
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: like that with that kind of build almost ever, it's

613
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: a very powerful build. He utilizes that power pretty well

614
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: already at the plate, and I think that, you know,

615
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: the hit tool has a lot of potential too. I

616
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: like his swing quite a bit. I don't think there's

617
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: like any any red flags there. There is, like it

618
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: is a little bit unorthodox in some ways, but he

619
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: looks really comfortable doing it, and I think, you know,

620
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: that's what's most important. I wouldn't be looking at him

621
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: through the lens of like, man, the Marlins really need

622
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: a catcher. We need like we need to look catcher here.

623
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Speaker 2: It's just like it's more, this guy is a really

624
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: rare talent. He's like a borderline he's a borderline like

625
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: five tool talent. I mean, he's not like a plus runner,

626
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: but for a guy who's two hundred pounds, he's you know,

627
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: he's pretty far up there. I think that he's a

628
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: guy who can hit for average and power. He's not

629
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: the most polished catcher in the class defensively, but I mean,

630
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: he has all the tools to do that as well,

631
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Speaker 2: and he's certainly not It's the defense isn't lagging by

632
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: any means. So if we're talking about a dream scenario

633
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: at sixteen, I would say he's probably the dream scenario.

634
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's I just think if he's available there,

635
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: I think he's He's just the biggest talent on the board.

636
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: So I'm all about going after Harry Ford at sixteen.

637
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: I would be absolutely thrilled to come away with him

638
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: with my first round pick. The other catchers in the class,

639
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, there are more prep catchers that I like.

640
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I do like Joe Matt quite a bit,

641
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure that I would take him at

642
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: thirty two. And I think if the Marlins want him,

643
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: that's probably where they would have to do it, so,

644
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: you know, failing getting Harry Ford, I do like some

645
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: of the college catchers. I think that Nelson is probably

646
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 2: the best option. I would agree there. I was pretty

647
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: high on Tresh at one point, but I thought that it,

648
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: like Hector alluded to, his performance down the stretch, wasn't

649
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: especially good. I don't think he's gonna end up hitting

650
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: for a heck of a lot of contact, and I

651
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: also think he's probably like a bit below average on defense,

652
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: so I'm not really too interested there anymore. I continue

653
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: to be intrigued by Hunter Goodman. He reminds me a

654
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: lot of Hunter Renfro and he was in college who

655
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: did used to catch a little bit, believe it or not.

656
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: Really Well, yeah, but he's you know, he's another guy

657
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: with swinging misissues, pretty severe ones at that, but he

658
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: can hit the snot out of the ball and he

659
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: has a really big arm. So maybe you can call

660
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: him like the dollar Store Henry Davis if you wanted to.

661
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: That's obviously quite a stretch because there's a lot that

662
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: Davis is much better at. So yeah, I mean, like

663
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: I said, I have a lot of resignations about prep catchers,

664
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: But Harry Ford's a unicorn, so you can sign me

665
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: up for him.

666
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: Here on the Marlins draft preview pod, that Spencer Morris

667
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: with Hector Rodriguez and I'm eli Usman pivoting away just

668
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: assuming that they don't chase that unicorn or that unicorn

669
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: is caught before they have the opportunity to get there.

670
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: We got this question from the MLB Draft appreciator on

671
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Twitter at leftward underscored Karst who wanted to know just

672
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: generally about prep bats in general. At number sixteen, Hector,

673
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: I'll go to you on this, assuming Ford is off

674
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: the board, some of these other prep players at different positions,

675
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: who do you like among those guys? I guess prioritizing

676
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: the guys that we know, we feel confident about the

677
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: hit tool, But who are those other prep bats maybe

678
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: at other positions that you think makes sense at number sixteen,

679
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: so Ford.

680
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: Is gone, maybe a prep bat that you reach out

681
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: to is Will Taylor the outfield the outfield prospect out

682
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: of dutch Fork High School in South Carolina. Elite speed kid,

683
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: has a seventy great speed. The biggest problem with him

684
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: is he is a dual commitment to Clumps. He is

685
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: also signed to play college football Clemson, and he's probably

686
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: gonna be one of the most difficult guys to sign

687
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: away from the draft because of you know, he has

688
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: the opportunity to play for one of the best college

689
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: football teams in the country. So that is that's a

690
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: big question, especially with the Martins not having a big budget,

691
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: a big as big of a budget as they have

692
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: in the past.

693
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Right, I'll jump in just for a second to mention

694
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: that two years ago another Clemson commit that the Marlins

695
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: drafted and signed was that Sam Nunez. But it's it's

696
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: kind of you couldn't get too You couldn't get any

697
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: further different in terms of like body types, and I

698
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: don't think the scene was going to play any football

699
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: like Clemson.

700
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: He might be a pump returner because he can he

701
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 3: can move, he can keep going as a pump returner.

702
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: But to me, like a guy that if the Martins,

703
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 3: since you know, the Martins might be a little bit

704
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: more financely, you know, tighter than in previous drafts. So

705
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: maybe go Underslaw here. And a guy that I even

706
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: though he's limited defensively, a guy with a high hit too,

707
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 3: a really nice swing, especially left handed hit and swing,

708
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: and he's got some root to fill in, is paid

709
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: in Stowball And that's probably my fifth That's probably the

710
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: fifth prospect on my board. And the reason why I'm

711
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: going with stow Ball here is because I just like

712
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: what I see for him. A lot of scouts have

713
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: compared him to Todd Walker. That seems to be the

714
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: popular pick when comparing stove ball too. This is a

715
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 3: guy with that just hit, makes heart contact to all fields.

716
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: He doesn't, you know, every now and then he'll try

717
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: to do too much, you know, especially in high school

718
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: in Louisiana, the competition there's pretty solid. But I'm pretty

719
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: sure he knows how much better he is than everybody else.

720
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: So if he gets something good here, he'll try to,

721
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: you know, do something, you know, do a little bit

722
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: more with it. But you know, the big question mark

723
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: with him is what position's gonna play. He doesn't have

724
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: great speed and probably actually blow average speed. But to me,

725
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: the Martins need bats, and the Martins need a guy

726
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: that can just hit the ball. And this kid's actually

727
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: got some pretty good power. He's got a fifty great power.

728
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: I think that's about an averager or above average grade.

729
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: He's a guy that even as he continues to you know,

730
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: buke up and fine tune his mechanics, maybe he's the

731
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: guy that can hit you know, about fifteen to twenty

732
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: bombs a season. You know, that's very good, especially for

733
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: a guy that I think will hit pretty high for average.

734
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: I know, high banding averages aren't like a big thing nowadays.

735
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: More people are looking towards Waiter, Rens created Ops and

736
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: Ops plus by you know, there's still some value to

737
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 3: being a guy that can just get on, that can

738
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: make that can make a lot of hard contact and

739
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: get base hits. And I think Stowball would be a

740
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: great option for the Martins. I feel like he is

741
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: one of the most underrated high school kids in this draft,

742
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: and the reason why is he wasn't a perfect game

743
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: All American. He was a leap bloomer in this draft class,

744
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: a guy that on perfect game I don't even think

745
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: is ranked inside the top one hundred. So there's a

746
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: lot to like about here. And if the Martins were too,

747
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: if they were strictly looking at a high school back

748
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 3: and Harry Ford wasn't available, my attention would immediately turn

749
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: towards paid in Stowball and then try to get a

750
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: catcher within the thirty first or the fifty second pick.

751
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to mention about Stovell Spencer that

752
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: wasn't already covered.

753
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: I love him. I think he's probably one of the

754
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: I think he's probably one of the twenty best players

755
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: in the class. Yeah, I mean I agree with everything

756
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: that Hector said about him. His hit tool is one

757
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: of the best in the class pro or college. I

758
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: think it's a really impressive swing and just a really

759
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: impressive hit in general. And I do think that the

760
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: power plays. It's not like big raw, it's like row

761
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: power is in like average territory, probably a hair under,

762
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: but it's utilized really fully. And I mean, I would

763
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: advise you not to put weight into prep stats, but

764
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: if you go look at Peyton Stowball's stats from this year,

765
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: you were going to throw up like they're they're just

766
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: absolutely disgusting. I think that, you know, he's a very

767
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: legitimate option at sixteen, especially, you know, if you could

768
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: get a little bit of savings there to give yourself

769
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: some room to work within the bonus pool. And then

770
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: the only other thing I wanted to add, just in

771
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: terms of prep bats at sixteen, the one other guy who,

772
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, if we're assuming that Benny Montgomery is also gone,

773
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: I think, you know he's another guy who could fit

774
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: at sixteen. But just assuming he's also off the board,

775
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: the other prep player named Montgomery is another guy that

776
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: I'm really high on, Colson Montgomery, who is a two

777
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: sport guy out of Indiana. He kind of got bumped

778
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: down a little bit early in the process because he

779
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: didn't like test super well athletically. His run times are

780
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: a little slow, and also, you know, with the multi

781
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: sport background, there's a little bit less a little bit

782
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: less experienced than some of the other guys. He was

783
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: one of the best basketball players in the history of

784
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: his school set a bunch of scoring records. Plays shortstop

785
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 2: as well, and I think he's a guy who has

786
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: potential for above average hit and above average power, and

787
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: I think he could stick a short stop. Like I said,

788
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: he's not like a super fast and his line, but

789
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: like you would assume from like a shooting guard, his

790
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: feet are good and he moves well in a short area,

791
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: so I don't think the range is really too bad.

792
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: And if it's not shortstop, it'll it would be third base,

793
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: so I think that bad place there too. I would

794
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: want to get a little bit of a discount on

795
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: the slot value if I were to take him at sixteen,

796
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: but I think he's in the mix there.

797
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a reminder to people, that's slot value at

798
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: sixteen three million, seven hundred and forty five five hundred,

799
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: So that's about, yeah, about thirty eight percent of the

800
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Marlins entire draft pool. The other section crap up players

801
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: to touch on.

802
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 3: You, you can, I can? I ask Cass Spencer question

803
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: real quick? Yeah, of course, Spence. I just found this

804
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: guy's freaking stats. I don't even know about this kid stats.

805
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: Do you mind if I just share him with the

806
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: All means because I'm pretty sure they would be interested.

807
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: So this is just this season, This is not career numbers,

808
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: but this past high school season, and I'm getting off

809
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: max preps, so I think it's pretty accurate. He played

810
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: thirty five games. Bennie average was for eighty nine. He

811
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: had forty four hits in ninety at bats, drove in

812
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: thirty nine runs, seven doubles, one triple, twelve home runs,

813
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: walked thirty eight times, and only struck out seven, so

814
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: that a strikeout rate is definitely low. And his own

815
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: base percentage was a six forty nine. Slugging was almost

816
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: at one thousand and nine eighty eight, but the ops

817
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: being a sixteen thirty eight while also stealing eleven bags.

818
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: But I don't think he'll be that great of a

819
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: base stealer at the next level, simply because the talent

820
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: at the catcher level will be much better and the

821
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: pitchers will do a better time of holding runners.

822
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, I always love looking at that. Who is

823
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: the one that it's actually Yeah, there's like a whole

824
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: you can go down a fun rabbit hole of not

825
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: just baseball players but other athletes and look at their

826
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: high schools and how they destroyed things. I mean, think

827
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: the most famous Yeah, exactly, you're thinking the same thing.

828
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry's most famous example of that.

829
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, Josh Hamilton, I think hit like five sixty

830
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: senior year of high school. If I remember right.

831
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: That sounds possible. Yeah, it's incredible.

832
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 3: And also the what's this kid's name, Frank Mosey Kattle,

833
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: the left handed pitch out of Connecticut through four consecutive

834
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: no hitters like that is ridiculous.

835
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: In Hagen Smith, I think through I want to say,

836
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: like three out of four no hitters earlier in the

837
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: year two. So there's a lot of crazy stuff going

838
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: on at the amateur level this year.

839
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, those kids just stand out. They're just much better

840
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: than their counterparts for sure.

841
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: And I think that does bring me back to DJ's

842
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: Philip again. This is the director of amateur scouting. This

843
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: is the guy that really has kind of the final

844
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: call on a lot of the picks of the Marlins

845
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: make He did sneak in like something during is media

846
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: availability about how the team just feels more comfortable evaluating

847
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: prep players this year as compared to college players, because

848
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: college players, if you're eligible this year, then you missed

849
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: your sophomore year in twenty twenty, you barely played at all. Whereas,

850
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons that we probably won't get

851
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: into at the prep level, those guys just had opportunities

852
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: to play more games, either within their schools or just

853
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: in terms of the summer showcases and all sorts of

854
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: wood bat showcases that they did. That the actual reps

855
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: that the players were able to get at the high

856
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: school level were a lot more a lot more reps

857
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: than they were able to get for college players, just

858
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: due to all the complicated factors in terms of how

859
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: they felt about dealing with COVID over the past year.

860
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: Which is why a lot of people suspect that at

861
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: least that number sixteen pick and maybe even number thirty

862
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: one both of them, they would lean towards prep players

863
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: because even as Sphilick admits himself that they feel they

864
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: have a better gauge on exactly who those players are

865
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: right now. Other subset of players that wanted to get

866
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: into on this pot was college hitters that fall a

867
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: little bit later, because again this is straight from DJ's

868
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: mouth saying that he brought up that from rounds two

869
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: to four that just outside those top couple picks of

870
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: Marlins Make that college hitters in that range between like

871
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: number fifty one overall, number fifty two overall and number

872
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: one eighteen, that those are guys that Marlins field. There's

873
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of depth in this class, so there's a

874
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: lot of options in that range of comparable players once

875
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: that they feel are good value. For whatever variety of reasons,

876
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: he kind of went out of his way to bring

877
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: up that particular subset of players that wouldn't be considered

878
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: with those first couple picks of Marlins Make, but right

879
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: below that other guys that again just to put slot

880
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: values next to them, guys that would sign for between

881
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: like five hundred grands and one point five million somewhere

882
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: in that range, who are top one hundred overall talents

883
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: in this class. So to Spenser on that, is there

884
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: anybody that comes to mind for you that again would

885
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: fall probably outside the top fifty picks that they make,

886
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: but would be shortly behind that. And guys that you

887
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: feel are really I guess, if you want to focus,

888
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: especially on the offensive side, guys that you feel more

889
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: confident in their hit, in their power tool, just knowing

890
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: like how much the Marlins really need those skills in

891
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: their system right now.

892
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 2: Well, I'm kind of pushing it on the top fifty

893
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: thing a little bit here, but I would mention Christian

894
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: Franklin as one of the college hitters who has stood

895
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 2: out to me the most this year. They're obviously it's

896
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: been discussed quite a bit that it was kind of

897
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: a down year for at least like the players who

898
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: are seen as being the top of the college backclass

899
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: coming into the season. I think that you know, with Franklin,

900
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: he's probably going somewhere in that thirty to fifty range,

901
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: but in the hit tool I would project as below average,

902
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: like in the forty to forty five range. But I'm

903
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: pretty confident in that projection that it's it's a forty

904
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: and not a thirty. And I think you look at that,

905
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: couple it with the fact that he has plus power.

906
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: He has a very patient plate approach. I think that

907
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: that kind of hit tool is going to play for him.

908
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: I think offensively, you're somewhere in the neighborhood of Chris

909
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: Davis with the KA and he's a very impressive defensive

910
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: outfielder as well, So well, he's not a big hit

911
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: tool guy. And I know we've kind of discussed, like

912
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: the Marlins getting development, it's been pretty shaky lately, so

913
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: you know, perhaps that could steer you in the direction

914
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: of some hit tool guys. But that's a guy who

915
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: I would still have to consider pretty strongly if there's

916
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: a shot at him after sixteen. But then in terms

917
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: of guys that do have the hit tool, there's a

918
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: few guys in this college class where I think have

919
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: stood out the most in that regard. Tray Sweeney from

920
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: East Illinois. I think he's probablyably gone before the Marlins

921
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: make their second pick. I think he probably ends up

922
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: being a first round pick, but let's imagine he doesn't.

923
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite college hitters in the class.

924
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: I think that the hit tool is going to be

925
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 2: fifty five or better for me, and I think that well,

926
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: it's more of a hit over power played approach. I

927
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: do think that he's got some juice there, Like, he

928
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: does drive the ball, even if it's not a ton

929
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: of open defense power right now. And he's also a

930
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: really big guy, so potentially, you know, you get in

931
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: the lab with him a little bit, you might be

932
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: able to squeeze out a bit more power than you've

933
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: even seen thus far. And he fits somewhere on the infield,

934
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: so it's a pretty complete package. A little bit further

935
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: down the board, not too much further. These are more

936
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: guys that you're talking about with picks two and three.

937
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: Tyler Black from Wright State had an amazing year, had

938
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: a big performance in the regionals as well. That was

939
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: a nice cherry on top up for for his draft stock.

940
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: Another guy who just he has just an awesome swing.

941
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: I think, you know, one of the better swings in

942
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: the class period. Again, not not a ton of over

943
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: defense power, and I worry about that with him a

944
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: little bit more because he makes more of the of

945
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: that flyball contact than Sweeney, who's a little more line drive.

946
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: And the other thing with Black is that defense is

947
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: more of a question mark. He's played second base historically.

948
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: I think he could work there, but I think that

949
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: it would be below average defense, which with his bat

950
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: you can live with, but it's, you know, something that's

951
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: that you're thinking about when you're talking about making that pick.

952
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: Connor Norby hit hit four hundred for Eastern Carolina. He's

953
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: a pretty small guy. I'm not sure how much power

954
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: there's going to be there, but you know, if you're

955
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: if you like somebody who's kind of that sort of

956
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: potential top of the order guy who's going to consistently

957
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: make clean contact with the ball and isn't going to

958
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: you know, give away pitches, he definitely, you know, accomplishes

959
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: that and then one more college bat. I'm not really

960
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: getting too far down the board here, so I'm not

961
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: sure if this is exactly what we were looking for,

962
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: but I continue to be a pretty big fan of

963
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: Alex Banellis at Louisville. It wasn't a good year for him,

964
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: particularly well, most of the year wasn't very good for him,

965
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: but he did kind of turn on the jets there

966
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: at the end of the season, which I think, you know,

967
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: he probably saved himself quite a bit of money by

968
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: doing that. The swing mechanics got out of whack with

969
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: with frequency this season. You know, there's no sugarcoating that.

970
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: But when he is right, he's got a nice, tight

971
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: compact swing that can still produce a ton of power.

972
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: I do think there is potential for him to hit

973
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: for a solid average even with like what we saw

974
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: out of him this past season and the powers above

975
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: average as well, another guy who the defense is not

976
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: anything to write home about, but I do really like

977
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: that that and he could potentially be had, you know,

978
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: second round kind of a little a little later on

979
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: those other guys that I brought.

980
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: Up, Yeah, and I mean joining us in spirit. On

981
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: this episode we have Ian Smith from Prospects Live, and

982
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: I just he gave me his own top one oh one.

983
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: At the moment, I think this is his final version.

984
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: So just to put into context of the names that

985
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: you brought up in what Ian has with them. With

986
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: Christian Franklin, he has him number forty four on Ian's board,

987
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: Tyler Black at number fifty, Alex banillis at number sixty nine,

988
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: Just to put that into they just to give you

989
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: an idea of his perspective on that, I think he

990
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: brought up Connor Norby as well. Ian is pretty high

991
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: in Connor Norby has him at thirty eight with that.

992
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: I remember he picked him in that Prospects livemok too,

993
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: which kind of raised my eyebrow a little bit, but

994
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, try, I trust his eyes and Norby is

995
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: like a truly great bit, Like there's no doubt about that.

996
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. One other name in that category that you didn't

997
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: bring up that I think Hector would have some thoughts

998
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: on would be Adrian del Castillo, who fits into that

999
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: category of someone that was considered a surefire first rounder

1000
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: entering the year, potentially a very high first rounder, and

1001
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: then just didn't produce like as he was expected to

1002
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: do at all from Miami this year. The fact that

1003
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: he is at the University of Miami, I mean, people

1004
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: are naturally gonna lean towards him. If you guys can't

1005
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: see this some I'm wearing Mike Mike Canes hat. I

1006
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: am a hurricane myself, so I wouldn't I wouldn't mind

1007
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: that pick. But Hector, how far do you think he

1008
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: could fall? Would he be a guy that actually falls

1009
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: potentially like outside the top fifty so that the Marlinski

1010
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: had him in the second round, And I mean, would

1011
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: you want him at the second round? Like how much

1012
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: concern do you put into the kind of year that

1013
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: he had.

1014
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: Well, the biggest concern with him this year was just

1015
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: the fact that he really didn't hit for power. I

1016
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: think he only had like three or four homers. But

1017
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 3: he's a guy that does put the ball in playing.

1018
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: He makes a lot of hard contact. It's just more

1019
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: and it really looked like he was trying to hit

1020
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: the ball over the fence that much this season. But

1021
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 3: I think, if I'm not mistaken, he's still better around

1022
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: to eighty three hundred. It just wasn't what everyone was expecting.

1023
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: The other issue with him is question marks if he

1024
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: can stay behind the plate. Now, he has improved every

1025
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: year since since he first enrolled in Miami, but there

1026
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 3: are still some people and I have my own questions

1027
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 3: about if Adrian can stick behind the plate. And so

1028
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: I do think that there is a possibility. Like let's

1029
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: say the Martins go, you know, position players. I'm sixteen

1030
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 3: thirty one, but they then drop the catcher fifty two.

1031
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: If Adrian's there, I'm almost certain that they will take him.

1032
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: Because it is a hometown kid. It's probably an easy

1033
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: sign he's been He's actually from Florida. He went to

1034
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: Gullor prep. He is a Marlin fan, so I don't

1035
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: think it would be a very difficult sign for the

1036
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: Marlins because he's right there. You know, he doesn't it's

1037
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: not a tough it's not like a big move for

1038
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: him or his family. You know, he's probably right. He

1039
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: probably lives right by the stadium if for all I know.

1040
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 3: But there is one other Calls guy that I'm pretty

1041
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: high on that I if, you know, depending on the situation,

1042
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: if they were to take him, would be Auburn shortstop.

1043
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: You though, I think he will move the second Ryan Bulliss.

1044
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: This is a guy that had a huge season for

1045
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: the Alburn Tigers. Auburn not a great baseball program, but

1046
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: he was absolutely one of their best player. He was

1047
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: absolutely their best player, one of the best players in

1048
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: the SEC. Small guy, five ninety one, sixty five, very skinny,

1049
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: but he produced with some power. Granted, you know you're

1050
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: using BBCRE bad so that that helps a little bit.

1051
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: But in this past season he made a three sixty

1052
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 3: five with fifteen home runs, forty five RBIs and drove

1053
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: in and it got seventy seven hits. So I mean, look,

1054
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 3: there's some good things right there.

1055
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: You know.

1056
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: Obviously the power, you know, showed up this season. But

1057
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: I mean it's difficult. It's difficult because of how small

1058
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: he is if that power is going to be able

1059
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: to stick around. But I will also say this, he

1060
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: does have a very good play approach. He he had

1061
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: twenty three walks this entire season, but only struck out

1062
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: thirty times. So he's a guy that's not you know,

1063
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 3: swinging and missing a lot. And this is against SEC pitching.

1064
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: This is the absolute best conference when it comes to

1065
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: college baseball. You know, you know the ACC and the SEC,

1066
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 3: the or the elite too. But I think it's he

1067
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: excuse me, I think what the SEC excels at is

1068
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: starting pitching because you can just I mean, you look

1069
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: at Vanderbilt. They got Kumar, they got a lighter. You

1070
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: look at LSU, they had Jaden Hill, who was a

1071
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: guy that was being talked about as a high draft

1072
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 3: pick until Tommy John. You look at the national champion,

1073
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: Mississippi State. They got will Bendar, who is a guy

1074
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: that have the Martins drafted with the sixteenth doverall pick.

1075
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be too surprised, and I don't think many

1076
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: people would be mad because he looked incredible in the

1077
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: College World Series, in fact, had a no hitter going

1078
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: on until he got pulled in the in the championship game.

1079
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 3: So there's plenty of arms. And there's other guys, you know,

1080
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 3: Jonathan Cannon from Georgie. I can go on and on,

1081
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: but you know, this guy hit against some of the

1082
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: best competition in the in the country, So I'm not

1083
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: too worried if his hit tool will carry over into

1084
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: professional baseball because he already saw some elite kids, some guys,

1085
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 3: some big league talent, some guys I think will be

1086
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: superstars at the big league level.

1087
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're finishing up here on this draft preview podcast.

1088
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: Just a couple more things to touch on. One is

1089
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: this question from friend of the show, Daniel Devivo. I

1090
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: want to stick with you, Hector on this because Daniel asks,

1091
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: since Miami hasn't shown an aptitude to draft and develop hitters,

1092
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: should the Marlins use their top picks on pitchers instead

1093
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: of hitters and simply trade for hitters that are developed,

1094
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, from other organizations. Are we ready to just

1095
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: like give up on the fact that the Marlins seem

1096
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: to be struggling so much, you know, to get the

1097
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: most out of these physician players. Is that something that

1098
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of counterintuitive, right of what you were mentioning

1099
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: in the draft preview Pott Draft in your draft profile

1100
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: series about how the Mardel should focus on hitters this

1101
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: time just because they need them in the system so bad.

1102
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: But he's just like throwing a curve ball into that.

1103
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: If they've struggled so much and so consistently to get

1104
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: the most out of these hitters, should they almost punt

1105
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: on that aspect and then said just do what they

1106
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: do best and get these pictures, feel like they can

1107
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: get the best out of these those pictures and then

1108
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: kind of trade high on some of those guys in

1109
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: order to get hitters that are already ready to go

1110
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: because they were in other organizations. What do you think

1111
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: about that bold approach?

1112
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: It definitely is a bold approach, but it's approached that

1113
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't, you know, venture towards if you know, if

1114
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: it was up to me, I would, you know, make

1115
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 3: changes on the player development system because obviously the offense,

1116
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: you know, whatever we're doing with our hitters, it ain't working.

1117
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: Because a guy who was an incredible collegiateator like JJ

1118
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: Bludet to be hovering around the Mendoza line is a crime,

1119
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: especially and he's not a high strike all guy. In fact,

1120
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: he walks out a pretty high rate. Think it's over

1121
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: ten percent. Then I don't know if he walks and

1122
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: he strikes out under twenty five percent. So he's the

1123
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: guy that's putting them all in play. But it's not

1124
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: getting the results that you know, we should be seen,

1125
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 3: especially with the guy that you know, this is an

1126
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: incredibly talented guy. So you know it's time for the Marlins,

1127
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: you know, for Jeter, Kimming and Sherman to look at

1128
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: themselves in the mirror and is like, Okay, we obviously

1129
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: have some extremely talented guys, but for some reason, you know,

1130
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: we're not hitting on the majority of these guys. You know,

1131
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: you know you'll get lucky with a guy like Jazz,

1132
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: And like I said, Hayesus has looked much better since

1133
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: you know, we first saw him in twenty twenty, so

1134
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: there's some hope there, and we haven't we haven't seen

1135
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: a full season like wait, and I think we will

1136
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: after the deadline. But that's a conversation for a different day.

1137
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: So at this point you have to look at the

1138
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 3: main issue, like is it is it our coaches. If

1139
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: it is your coaches, then you got to go get

1140
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 3: better coaches, guys that have a better idea. And that's

1141
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: why to me, like I would draft guys that already

1142
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: have a high hit tool, because you know, just putting

1143
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: the ball in plays, you know, it's difficult. Now, it's

1144
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 3: just difficult enough. So you know, if you have a

1145
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 3: you know, if you have a top prospect who has

1146
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: a hard time of just putting them all in play,

1147
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: that's not that's not ideal because he's gonna if he

1148
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: struggles against high school competition, what do you think he

1149
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: will do against you know, you know, professional pitchers. It's

1150
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: gonna be it's gonna be an issue. So go get

1151
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: guys that especially. That's why I think college guys are

1152
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 3: probably the best option because it's also quicker. For the

1153
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: most part, those guys can get to the big leagues

1154
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: quicker because they already they start off at higher levels

1155
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: and they have played against better competition. So it just

1156
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: it depends on really what's gonna happen. I think the

1157
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: martage should always just grab whoever they view as the

1158
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: best player available and trust in trust in their player development.

1159
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: And if they don't think it's time to get new people,

1160
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: you know, because I mean, look, you know, JJ obviously

1161
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 3: hasn't had a great season, Victor Victor Messa has been

1162
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 3: a mess, but you still have guys like Cone who

1163
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: you know, I don't think it's hitting great for average,

1164
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: but the power numbers are there. And that goes for

1165
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: Peydon Burdick, and you know, Troy Johnston came out of

1166
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: nowhere and he's been incredible. Like I didn't even know

1167
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: who he was until this season. You know, I'm looking

1168
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: at him now every day like this guy's got two

1169
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 3: hits today, he got three another hit.

1170
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1171
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: It's just like at some point you just have to

1172
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: have a better idea of what you want and then

1173
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: go after those type of players.

1174
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: That's that's the final topic I wanted to get into.

1175
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: A great transition that you bring up Troy Johnson, who

1176
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: at this moment he started this year in Jupiter quickly

1177
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: got promoted to Beloite. It wouldn't be shocking if he

1178
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: made it all the way up to double A by

1179
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: the end of the year. He's just a hitting machine

1180
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: who plays a couple different positions out of Gonzaga, originally

1181
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: drafted let me double check. This was it the seventeenth round. Yeah,

1182
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: seventeenth round. And the reason why I want to bring

1183
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: him up is because so that was the twenty nineteen

1184
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: draft that they got Troy Johnston. Twenty eighteen draft, they

1185
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: got Alex Vesia, who dominated the minors for a year

1186
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: and a half, and then they flipped him to the

1187
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: Dodgers to get an important trade to get Dylan Floro

1188
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: that turned out to be could be a win win.

1189
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: Both those guys drafted really really deep into this draft.

1190
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: The way that the schedule is lined up this year,

1191
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: Day three of the draft, Day one is on Sunday,

1192
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: then Day two, Day three is going to be the

1193
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: back half of the draft, rounds eleven through twenty. So

1194
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: these are guys outside the top three hundred players picked

1195
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: just like Alex Vesia was, just like Troy Johnson was

1196
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: and the Marlins. I have been able in both those

1197
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: cases to get guys that Vessia, who I think has

1198
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: a pretty good chance of having a decent big leay career. Johnston,

1199
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: it's a little too early to say, but certainly a

1200
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: great value in a guy that probably should not have

1201
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: dropped that far. And Spencer, I kind of warned you

1202
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: about this about looking forward to Day three potential guys,

1203
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: because I know you've looked at hundreds of draft prospects,

1204
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: and I guess a few of them potentially would slip

1205
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: into these rounds. And I guess there's a variety of

1206
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: reasons they could slip, some of them because of flaws

1207
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: in the game. I guess in a lot of cases,

1208
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: just because they're college seniors, right, and that's pretty common

1209
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: pattern where they just don't have the leverage to negotiate

1210
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: much of a bonus, and also just because they're older

1211
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: and age is such a big factor that goes into

1212
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: projecting how amateur players are going to do in pro ball.

1213
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that you could think of potentially that

1214
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: could slip all the way into Day three? And I

1215
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: guess I'll do you a little favorite. You know, anybody

1216
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: that's just in that general range outside the top let's

1217
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: say two hundred picks that will go pretty deep into

1218
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: this draft that you don't think we'll get a very

1219
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: big signing bonus, that could, if everything goes right, actually

1220
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: turn into a very productive pro player.

1221
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I can give us kind of some different

1222
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: flavors here. So one player who I have just loved

1223
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: from the first moment that I looked at him, and

1224
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: is rated outside the top three hundred. I think more

1225
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: or less everywhere who I have every expectation will end

1226
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: up going to college is Veto Valencius, who is a

1227
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: Tennessee prep bat. He's a teammate of Cooper Kinney, who

1228
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: is another kind of in that in the Peyton Stow

1229
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: ball family. He's he's rated a lot higher, you know

1230
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: that for a second base guy, So that brought in

1231
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the scouting heat. Vito is kind of,

1232
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, their number two guy on offense. He is

1233
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: absolutely enormous. I think he weighs about two hundred and

1234
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: fifty pounds. He plays He played third base in high

1235
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: school most you know, and naturally he's getting projected to

1236
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: move over to first base, and I do think that's

1237
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: more likely than not. But what I think he's worth

1238
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: pointing out with him is that when he has gone

1239
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: through athletic testing, he consistently like rates extremely highly when

1240
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: it comes to like his his explosion right like, so

1241
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: in terms of like the short movements, he's actually like

1242
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: a very athletic guy, despite you know what he looks

1243
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: like when you see him, you know, walk onto the

1244
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: ball onto the field as you'd expect. It's really big power.

1245
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: I think you're talking, you know, it's it's a you

1246
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: have to do quite a bit of projecting, like they're

1247
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: swinging mist there, and you know it's a shorter track

1248
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: record of performance. But I do, you know, think that

1249
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: if if you want to dream, there's a potential part

1250
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: of the order back there. I think that he'll go

1251
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 2: to college, and I kind of have him earmarked as

1252
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: a guy who I expect to to pop back up

1253
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: with a little more notoriety three years from now. But

1254
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: I would definitely be interested in, you know, seeing where

1255
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: his head's on potentially playing pro ball because I like

1256
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: him a lot. Another prep guy who is raised a

1257
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: little higher. Baseball America just tweet about him earlier today,

1258
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 2: and I think they were kind of saying that he's

1259
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: maybe been a guy who's getting some late heat. But

1260
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: North Dakota outfielder Chase Mason, he's I would probably project

1261
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: him to go on Day two, but you know, he's

1262
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: not going to be an early pick. You know. In

1263
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 2: his case. The reason he's not rated like super highly,

1264
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 2: he's because he's a Dakota guy. So obviously, like as

1265
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: you'd expect, not only you know, shorter season because of

1266
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: the weather. Obviously very little in terms of scouts, you know,

1267
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: making it out to that area, and of course the

1268
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: competition level is lower. But in terms of tools, he's

1269
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: got the tools to be rated you know, quite a

1270
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: bit higher. He's you know, he's a big guy who

1271
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: can run, he's got power. It's a swing where you

1272
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: can imagine him hitting for pretty good contact too, So

1273
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: I find that pretty intriguing. And then a couple of

1274
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: college pitchers who I looked at, who could you know,

1275
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: who are going to be on the board later, but

1276
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: I think, you know, have some merit seth Wandsway from

1277
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Never like he never really put it together

1278
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: in college, and he is a senior when undrafted last

1279
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: year when he was kind of expected to go somewhere

1280
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: like in those last few rounds and that shortened draft.

1281
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: He's got a big issue when it comes to throwing strikes,

1282
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: which is you know, obviously that's a problem, but it's

1283
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: been one of the best you know, breaking balls in

1284
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: college baseball for for a while now. He throws hard

1285
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: as well. I think you know, it all really it

1286
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: points towards reliever, but you know, maybe, like you're talking

1287
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 2: about a guy who has a starter's frame and in

1288
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: historically scouts thought that he could potentially throw enough strikes

1289
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: to start. It hasn't happened, but you know, maybe you

1290
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: get him into that picture development machine and something happens,

1291
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: and if not, you still have a really a really

1292
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: good relief prospect. So I'm interested in him still, you know,

1293
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: even though the improvement just hasn't come. And then for

1294
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: a guy who I think probably could be available on

1295
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: Day three that I looked at was a small school,

1296
01:06:54,360 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: a smaller school guy Waterson kin Drake out of Biola University,

1297
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: who is, he had some momentum coming into this season

1298
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: and then his stats kind of backed off a little bit.

1299
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: He was not bad by any means, but when you're

1300
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: at like that kind of school and we're talking about

1301
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: the MLB Draft, kind of the expectations that you're gonna dominate.

1302
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: He did dominate, like in off season play between last

1303
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: season and this year, which is kind of where that

1304
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: momentum came from. But he's a guy who has a

1305
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: great body for pitching. He has a fastball that has

1306
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 2: good velocity and good life, and his breaking ball at

1307
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: times can look pretty damn good. You're gonna have to

1308
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: do work on the strike throwing. You're gonna have to

1309
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: find him a third pitch. But I think, you know,

1310
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: he has that kind of four or five starter bas ingredients.

1311
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: So if I can get a guy who I think

1312
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: might have a chance to start that late, then I'm

1313
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: interested in that.

1314
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just to get on same page of everybody

1315
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: to beep in particular, that round to watch is the

1316
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: seventeenth round. That's the Alex Vesie around, that's de Troy

1317
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: Johnson round. And obviously last year just a five round draft,

1318
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: and now this year back to twenty, so this time

1319
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: the seventeenth round is awfully close to the very very end.

1320
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, even after that, we'll see what they do.

1321
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: In terms of Marlin's organization, I've even had some successful

1322
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: guys that went totally undrafted and then went to indie ball,

1323
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: and then they've even done a great job picking those

1324
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: guys at a indie ball. Someone like Trevor Richards comes

1325
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 1: to mind from a couple of years prior. He actually

1326
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: just got moved around again in the major leagues this year,

1327
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: where shortly after he went undrafted out of a D

1328
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: two school. They found him and they brought him along

1329
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: and he turned into their minor league pitcher of the year,

1330
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: and then they turned into a back end, rotation, starter,

1331
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: swing guy. That's the strength of the organization. It seems

1332
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: to get these little marginal guys for these different roles.

1333
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 2: I also, just before we sign off, I was hoping

1334
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 2: to get a quick word in about one more player.

1335
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: It's one of the guys that Hector profiled actually, who

1336
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 2: I have developed a pretty serious crush on. I would

1337
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: say it's getting pretty serious, and I think is in

1338
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 2: play at definitely at thirty two, potentially even at sixteen.

1339
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: And that is a guy with a very cool name.

1340
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: The cool guys have Spencer Schwellenbach, who I just love

1341
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 2: this guy, and I think he really aligns with what

1342
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: the Marlins look for in pitchers as well. You have

1343
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: to project him off of less than forty college innings,

1344
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: which is tough because he was away from pitching for

1345
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: a while. He had elbow surgery in high school and

1346
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 2: then he went to Nebraska. He was playing shortstop, so

1347
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: they kind of shelved the pitching, and then in fall

1348
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: camp they kind of got him back on the mount

1349
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: and see how he's looking, and they were pretty blown away.

1350
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 2: So we got added to the bullpen. But I think

1351
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 2: with him, I know, like we didn't really touch on

1352
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: pitchers much at all, but I think he has two

1353
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: bona fide plus pitches in the fastball and the slider.

1354
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 2: The fastball is mid nineties with ride, the slider drops

1355
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: off the table. They tunnel very well with each other,

1356
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: and his change up and his command for me were

1357
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 2: like shockingly good for somebody with his background. So I

1358
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: like I have him projected as like a number three

1359
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: starter despite the fact that, like I said, we barely

1360
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 2: have any innings to go off of, and he's a

1361
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: guy who, as I've been like trying to finalize my lists,

1362
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: has just he's just kept creeping up. So I was wondering,

1363
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: you know, like Pector, where you ended up on him

1364
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 2: when he profiled him, Like how you how you would

1365
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: feel about the Marlins maybe picking him up.

1366
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 3: I would probably consider, you know, I think he could

1367
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: end up being the first roue, but I think he's

1368
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 3: more of a pick thirty two guy option from the Marlins.

1369
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 3: He's he has a plus basketball. I think he had

1370
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: ninety nine. This season, I was actually able to watch

1371
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,839
Speaker 3: him pitch because I cover college baseball for the Rutgers

1372
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 3: Scarlet the Knights, so they had a couple games against Nebraska,

1373
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: so I was able to watch Spencer as a hitter

1374
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 3: as a pitcher. To me, I see I could see

1375
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 3: him as a bullpen arm in the future. I think

1376
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: he's a guy that can go multiple innings, does a

1377
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 3: bullpen option. He was the closer at Nebraska and he

1378
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 3: was excellent at what he did, so to me, that's

1379
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: where I would point towards him. I think he could

1380
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 3: be a very very good reliever at the next level

1381
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 3: because also because he hasn't started in college, so it's

1382
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: difficult for me to see him as a starting pitcher

1383
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 3: at the next level win he was strictly a reliever

1384
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 3: during his time in college. However, there is one As

1385
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: Eli was talking about the seventeenth round how the Martins

1386
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: have had some recent success with that pick, I'm gonna

1387
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: go with the guy that I'm pulling it out of

1388
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 3: my you know, out of nowhere. I'm gonna go with

1389
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 3: if the Martins dropt this kid, I think it would

1390
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 3: be around the seventeenth round range and I think he'll

1391
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 3: be an excellent pickup. I'm gonna go with left handed

1392
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: pitcher out of Stetson, Daniel Perett, South Florida kid pitched

1393
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: at Archie Visa McCarthy High School. Big, tall, strong kid,

1394
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 3: throws pretty damn hard. But the big issue with him

1395
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: has been healthy. He didn't pitch this season. He had

1396
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 3: a soulder injury and he missed all of the twenty

1397
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 3: twenty season and one hundred and one inach pit college pitches,

1398
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 3: a college innings pitch, he threw one hundred. He got

1399
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirteen strikeouts. He's a strike thrower. He doesn't,

1400
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, give up a lot of extra base hits.

1401
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: He pounces his own, he challenges hitters, and it's a

1402
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,839
Speaker 3: guy that I think, if they can keep him healthy,

1403
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 3: will be an absolute stud. And I thought he would

1404
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: would have been awesome this season. I thought, you know,

1405
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 3: if he would have been healthy, I think Stetson's a

1406
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 3: much better team. And I also think because that was

1407
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 3: going to be their ace. But he just wasn't healthy.

1408
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 3: But to me I see him, I was like, man,

1409
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 3: this kid can stay healthy. This will be a really

1410
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 3: really good pickup for the Martins and I think, And

1411
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 3: like I said, local kid probably grew up a Mono fan.

1412
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know, but like I saw him

1413
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 3: in high school and I knew scouts were interested in

1414
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 3: high school. One of the games I went to the

1415
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 3: White Saw, they had a White scout there and they

1416
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 3: were talking. They seemed interested by the problem was he had.

1417
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 3: I think it was torn ACL because he was a

1418
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 3: hitter in high school as well. He towards ACL. So

1419
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: I think that's why they didn't draft him, you know,

1420
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 3: out of high school, because he had that twenty CLO

1421
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 3: and they were there were some injury concerns, but I

1422
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 3: think his talent and the way he has developed a

1423
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: stetson is too much to pass up on.

1424
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. A final note on those super late round picks.

1425
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: People that know me well know how fond I am

1426
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: of Anthony Bender emerging potentially as the Marlins closer. And

1427
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: I hadn't actually digging this far down into his history before,

1428
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: but he was himself a twentieth round draft pick and

1429
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: it took a very securitist route to get to where

1430
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: he is today as the lights out major league reliever.

1431
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: But that's just another example. You know, probably even a

1432
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: better example than Vessia R. Johnson. This is a guy

1433
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: that's in the big leagues and shoving who for a

1434
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: variety of reasons. Out of Juco, he went super super

1435
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: late and eventually came into one of his own. So

1436
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: every single pick matters, even the guys that fall in

1437
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: the late rounds, even the guys that you don't have

1438
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: to give much money to you at all. That there

1439
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: are a lot of very unusual stories success stories in baseball.

1440
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: So from Spencer Morris, Hector Rodriguez, Ian Smith here in spirit,

1441
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: Eli Sussman here will have our draft coverage for you

1442
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: coming up in just a few days on all our

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01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: Fish Tribes platforms. As always, go Fish