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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Why exactly why does a gorgeous and wealthy Utah mom

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Speaker 2: make a big purchase right after her special Ops hubby

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Speaker 2: seemingly disappears into thin air. I'm Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Trouble is

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Speaker 2: unfolding in the quiet suburbs of Salt Lake City. US

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Speaker 2: National Guard soldier Matthew Johnson hasn't shown up for work

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Speaker 2: and his kids haven't heard from him for days. Where

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Speaker 2: is Matthew Johnson?

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Speaker 3: The day Matthew Johnson is set to return to work,

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Speaker 3: Jennifer glad Hill reports her husband missing. He should have

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Speaker 3: been home from base hours ago and his phone is

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Speaker 3: going straight to voicemail. As it turns out, Johnson never

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Speaker 3: showed up to work that morning either. Jennifer says she

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Speaker 3: last saw her husband pulling out of the driveway.

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Speaker 2: Neighbors confirm they saw the husband's truck in the driveway.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of conflicting evidence in this case, but

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Speaker 2: bottom line, where is this husband? A father, A special

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Speaker 2: Ops officer? Joining me an all star panel to make

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Speaker 2: sense of what we know? Right now as we go

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Speaker 2: to air, he is still missing again with me an

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Speaker 2: all star panel. But first I want to go straight

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Speaker 2: out to Jennifer Skowski joining us, investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer, thank you for being with us. This is some

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Speaker 1: ritzy area where he goes missing. Correct, tell me about it.

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Speaker 4: Cottonwood Heights, Utah is located just about sixteen miles away

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Speaker 4: from Salt Lake City. They lived in an extremely wealthy neighborhood,

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Speaker 4: a million dollar home. It's very uppity. I mean something

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Speaker 4: where somewhere that you would never expect something like what

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Speaker 4: is unfolding to happen.

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Speaker 2: There is a massive search for the victim in this case.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson. Of course, when you've got a dad with

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Speaker 2: a huge house note three children, and every picture I

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Speaker 2: see of them, they're all wearing designer clothes, They're driving

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Speaker 2: fancy cars, the whole shebang.

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Speaker 1: Joining me.

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Speaker 2: Raymond Judice, high profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Raymond. Very often when a guy goes missing.

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Speaker 2: Like this, you know, they say, well, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: get a loaf of bread and they never come back.

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Speaker 1: They just start a new life.

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Speaker 2: And this guy is a special ops Okay, he knows

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Speaker 2: how to disappear.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he just got sick of her and paying for

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Speaker 1: that huge. If you've seen the house, it's huge, and

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Speaker 1: they've got that.

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Speaker 2: He's got the wife, the designer clothes, the fancy cars,

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Speaker 2: the pool, the works, and you know, sometimes people just

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Speaker 2: take a power and leave Nancy.

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Speaker 5: Back in the seventies is a book called Run, Rabid Run,

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Speaker 5: and that was exactly the premise. Too much pressure, too

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Speaker 5: many car notes, too much house notes, taxes, insurance, go

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Speaker 5: to work every day, chopwood on the weekend, taking the

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Speaker 5: kids to soccer, and this guy just says, that's enough.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'll be back.

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Speaker 5: As you said, I'm going to go to them, to

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Speaker 5: the quickie market and get a loaf of bread. And

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Speaker 5: he just keeps running. That's not unusual. It's not unusual

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Speaker 5: on post COVID. I think we all look back on

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Speaker 5: the pressures that we're all under to obtain, you know,

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Speaker 5: the brass ring of life, when maybe living simply might

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Speaker 5: be better.

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Speaker 2: You know. Sergeant Gary Young is joining us special guest

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Speaker 2: today out of Cottonwood Heights, Utah. He is a sergeant

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Speaker 2: there in the Cottonwood Heights Police Department. Sergeant Young, I've

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Speaker 2: got so many questions for you. But when we're saying

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Speaker 2: deadbeat dad. I mean I'd be running a one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty person arraignment calendar, allies, of course, and there

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Speaker 1: A huge throng of people in the hall. Who were they?

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Speaker 1: They would be.

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Speaker 2: The second wave of defendants coming in for deadbeat Dad.

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Speaker 1: There'd be just as many of.

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Speaker 2: Them as there were of criminal defendants, criminals, murders, rapists,

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Speaker 2: child molesters, arstists, the works, drug lords.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who are those guys?

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Speaker 2: Are they on the calendar? If so, they need to

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Speaker 2: be in the courtroom. I'm going to bond for fit them.

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Speaker 2: And they're like, no, no, no, they're all the deadbeat dads.

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Speaker 2: So when you get a dad that goes missing, my

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Speaker 2: first thought would be dead beat agree or disagree?

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Yeah, I would, I would.

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Speaker 7: I would think that that would be the easiest explanation.

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Speaker 7: If you know, if someone just disappeared off the radar,

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Speaker 7: having a stressful life, are they going to go commit suicide?

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Speaker 7: You know, who knows what would lead someone to go

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Sergeant Gary Young, wait a minute, suicide, Wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, I find it much more often that the

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Speaker 2: deadbeat dad leaves for his younger girlfriend. Okay, he's commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: He's dumping the family and the wife and the house

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Speaker 2: That is what I would immediately think. I would immediately think, oh,

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Speaker 2: he's killed himself. Men leave home every day, thousands of

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Speaker 2: them a day, and typically, yeah, I know, women leave too,

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Speaker 2: but typically the woman is left behind to raise the children,

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Speaker 2: pay the bills, and somehow cobble it all back together again.

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Speaker 2: So in this case, when you first hear he's gone,

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Speaker 2: did you immediately think suicide, left the country.

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Speaker 1: What was your immediate thought?

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Speaker 2: Did you ever eat consider he just got tired of

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Speaker 7: My original thought was that he is taking a break.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure how much stress he's going under. I

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Speaker 7: thought he was just kind of going off the radar

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Speaker 7: you know, a week at the most that he would

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Speaker 2: Okay, sergeant, you do know I'm a crime victim and

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Speaker 2: a former felony prosecutor and a fed before that, I'm

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Speaker 2: on your side.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but here comes the rest of that sentence. Taking

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Speaker 1: a break? How what huh? Taking a break from your family?

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Speaker 1: What does take a break mein, Sergeant Gary Young.

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Speaker 7: Well, in your context, I was sane escaping his situation.

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Speaker 7: That's what I referred to as taking a break. I

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Speaker 7: assumed that we would find him, you know, returning back

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Speaker 7: home again. You indicated that he's he's escaping or felony abandonment.

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Speaker 7: There were no indications that he was that type of

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Speaker 7: He was reported as missing, and you know, we put

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Speaker 7: out a press release asking for the public's help to

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Speaker 7: identify him, look for his truck. You know, if anyone

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Speaker 7: has contact with him to police have him return so

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Speaker 7: we could close out the missing persons and reunit him

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Speaker 7: with his family. To tell you the truth, I didn't

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Speaker 7: think about feeling abandonment when we took this call.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad to hear what you just said.

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young is a special guest with us today.

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Speaker 2: He is a sergeant in the Cottonwood Heights PD. So

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Speaker 2: you're telling me he had no history of taking breaks,

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Speaker 2: as you euphemistically put it. No history of that, no

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Speaker 2: history of not supporting his children ever, nothing like that

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Speaker 2: in this guy's history. Matthew Johnson correct, correct, Okay, that

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Speaker 2: puts things in an entirely different light.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 3: As Cottonwood Heights Police continue their exhaustive search for Matthew Johnson,

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Speaker 3: a call goes out for the public's help in finding

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Speaker 3: not only Matthew Johnson, but his truck. Matthew is described

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Speaker 3: eight pounds. He has blue eyes and a shaped head.

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Speaker 3: Johnson drives a maroon dodged fifteen hundred pick up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what does he need a fifteen hundred, Sergeant Young, Well, we're.

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Speaker 7: In a I have a pickup truck myself. We're in

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Speaker 7: we're in the West, and pickup trucks are a very

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Speaker 7: good utility vehicle. You can go camping with them, you

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Speaker 7: It's just what a you know, a strapping young man

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Speaker 7: like Matthew Johnson would drive. Would be a pickup truck.

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Speaker 7: That's my deal truck.

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering because I thought a Dodge fifteen

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Speaker 1: He is special Ops?

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Speaker 2: What exactly does that mean in this scenario? Why was

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Speaker 2: he special ops? What does that entail for him?

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Speaker 7: He received training and I guess he was deployed, you know,

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Speaker 7: several times overseas on the warrant.

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Speaker 2: Terror Sergeant Young question, what did you put in your

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Speaker 2: plate to the public?

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Speaker 7: I asked our local affiliates in the press if they

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Speaker 7: would broadcast out that we're looking for a missing persons

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Speaker 7: for Matthew Johnson. I put out his description where he's

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Speaker 7: lasting at the time frame, and then what you know,

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Speaker 7: then asked for the public's assistance if they've seen him

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Speaker 7: come forward, and we would like to resolve that missing

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Speaker 7: person's we'd like to make it a fen person case.

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Speaker 7: So that's the information.

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Speaker 2: About crime stories with Nancy Gray. When was the last

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Speaker 8: The last time Matthew Johnson is seen by someone other

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Speaker 8: than Jennifer Gledhill is three days before he's reported missing,

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Speaker 8: at a neighborhood gas station. Neighbors say they remember seeing

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Speaker 8: Johnson's truck in the driveway. The next day, Johnson's communications,

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Speaker 8: even with his children stop entirely.

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Speaker 1: We're hearing a.

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Speaker 2: Lot about the truck, Isn't it true, Sergeant Gary Young,

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Speaker 2: that when you're looking for missing person, you're also looking

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Speaker 7: Yes, no, I was saying, yes, that's how they get

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Speaker 7: to and from work, that they go about their daily

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Speaker 7: so ideally he would be with his vehicle.

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Speaker 2: We just saw the same scenario in the case of

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Speaker 1: There was an all out search.

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Speaker 2: For them until their vehicle was found on a remote

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Speaker 2: Their bodies later found stuffed into an ice chest and

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Speaker 2: buried in a cow pasture, deep deeply buried, and then

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Speaker 2: covered with dirt and chunks of cement. What crack that case?

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Speaker 2: The discovery of the car in this case.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Ten days after Matthew Johnson is reported missing, his truck

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Speaker 3: is finally recovered. It's parked on the street, not even

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Speaker 3: a mile from his million dollar home. The truck is

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Speaker 3: locked with gas in the tank. Inside the truck, nothing

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Speaker 3: appears out of the ordinary, but cops do not find

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Speaker 3: any more of Matthew's belongings. Investigators begin processing the truck

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Speaker 3: for any evidence that would explain what happened to Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Neighbors say they last saw the truck on the day

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Speaker 1: Very curious.

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Speaker 2: None of his belongings in his truck. Wouldn't you expect something?

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you look in our minivan, you will

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Speaker 2: probably find its belonging to the twins. You will find

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Speaker 2: dog treats, you will find old cups of tea, and

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Speaker 2: there are all sorts of indications that somebody has just

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Speaker 2: driven the truck. So Sergeant Gary Young joining us sergeant

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Speaker 2: with the Cottonwood Heights PD on the case of a

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Speaker 2: missing husband and father. When you find a truck about

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Speaker 7: There was nothing in there that an indicator that he'd

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Speaker 7: The way it's it's positioned on the on the roadway.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Toby Woolson. He's a forensic biologist.

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Speaker 2: He's a bloodstained pattern analyst and No Slow Forensic Consultation

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Speaker 2: You can find him at no Slow Forensic dot com.

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Speaker 2: And he is an author of a book coming out

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Speaker 2: December thirteen, which is on my must read list.

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Speaker 1: I don't say that very often.

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Speaker 2: Toby called handbook a blood stain pattern Analysis. Now that's

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Speaker 1: But what I want to talk to you about right.

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Speaker 1: To find in that dodge fifteen hundred.

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Speaker 6: Well, it depends where the foul play occurred. If it

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Speaker 2: That's why it's so critical that forensics check out the bed.

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Speaker 1: She tells nineber one, it smells like a dead body.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that smell emanating from the trunk of top Mom's car.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Ray, you and I've been to a

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Speaker 2: So, also in the trunk from which the dead body

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Speaker 2: This was a pristine hair, no treatment whatsoever, a.

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Speaker 2: That is why a vehicle is so important. Agree to disagree,

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Speaker 5: And also the positioning of the vehicle in the case

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Speaker 2: Try not just drive it off and burn it like

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Speaker 5: I don't disagree with that, but I also say that,

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you just said something very telling, Judicay, you

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Speaker 2: said leave the truck and walk back. So right there,

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Speaker 2: Another issue. Hey, I'm sure you remember this. Like everybody

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Speaker 2: Tara Grinstead, Oh, my star's beautiful high school teacher just

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Speaker 1: Okay, how did that happen?

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Speaker 2: And the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny town in South Georgia.

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Speaker 2: But I noticed that her bed in her bedroom was askew.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever met one of those people? What do

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Speaker 1: What is that? Anal compulsive? What is that?

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Speaker 1: Okay, hey, you're the shrink. I'm just a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 2: So obsessive compulsive, yes, So in a case like that,

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Speaker 2: I said, why is her bed crooked? And she said,

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Speaker 2: Then I found out this Sergeant Gary Young. I found

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Speaker 2: out that Terra Grin said, also her compulsion. She's an

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Speaker 2: eat nick, She's not crazy. Extended to her car. Have

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Speaker 2: you ever met those people? Their car still smells new

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Speaker 2: after like three years, it's still perfect. She was like

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Speaker 2: There was mud all up both sides of her car.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, WHOA, Okay, that's not right, that's not right.

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Speaker 2: The seat, the driver's seat.

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Speaker 1: Was way back. There's no way she could have even

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Speaker 2: In this guy's car, Matthew Johnson, Special Ops.

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Speaker 1: Where was his seat when the vehicle.

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Speaker 7: Was located and towed? Do our evidence processing? It was

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Speaker 2: A Dodge fifteen hundred pickup truck hidden in playing sight.

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Speaker 2: A Special Ops dad goes missing. Then we find out

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Speaker 1: A huge purchase. Where is the missing dad? Who are

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Speaker 8: Matthew Johnson fifty one and Jennifer Gludhill, forty one, welcome

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Speaker 10: Cottonwood Heights PDE search for Matthew Johnson, aware of the

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Speaker 10: Gledhill says she is afraid of Johnson, claiming Johnson has

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Speaker 2: Really so, she claims he's been violent toward her in

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Speaker 10: Seven weeks after Jennifer Gledhill files for divorce, Gledhill files

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Speaker 10: for a protective order against Matthew Johnson. A temporary order

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Speaker 10: is granted, but Gledhill must prove abuse at the hands

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to a lawyer that has handled plenty

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Speaker 2: of similar disputes, Raymond Judice.

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Speaker 1: What does all of that mean? That is in civil

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Speaker 2: She goes for a tro temporary restraining order and the

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Speaker 2: the evidence shows that she is confrontational, not him, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: The standard procedure is that when someone who feels they

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Speaker 5: clerk's office, they apply for a temporary protective order, temporary

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Speaker 5: That is the hearing that we're referencing, where the judge

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Speaker 2: Matthew Johnson as you to say, you have you ever

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Speaker 1: And it totally backfires.

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Speaker 2: And that is why you better practice every in court demonstration,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to say it doesn't fit?

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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven talking about the Simpson glove. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he put it over two singers and went, Okay, it

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Speaker 2: won't fit. And what were they gonna do? Chris Darden

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Speaker 2: wrestle him in court and make it go down over

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Speaker 2: his hand. That said, never ever play anything or bring

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Speaker 2: in evidence that you haven't tested yourself. Because when this wife,

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Gludheel, brings in the video to show the judge

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Speaker 2: the children in this tro like kick him out of

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Speaker 1: That doesn't really help you.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this video and text messages are gathered as

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Speaker 3: Johnson cleaning up glass from a broken family photo his demeanor.

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Speaker 3: Calm Court Commissioner Russell Minus denied the permanent order, determining

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Speaker 3: Gluhill did not exhibit any fear of Johnson. The commissioner

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Speaker 8: Matthew Johnson has been missing five days when Kinwood Heights

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Speaker 2: A very different version of events. What she changes her story? Oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: version of events, the dominoes start falling, yacking, talking, gossiping.

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Speaker 8: Cottenwood Heights PD execute a search for in at the

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Speaker 8: the mattress in their master bedroom, the new one arriving

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Speaker 8: three days after her husband's disappearance.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh, your husband goes missing a new order a

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Speaker 2: new mattress.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Chloe Carmichael.

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Speaker 2: I find that very unusual at a time when you

445
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Speaker 2: need to be scouring the whole county trying to find

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Speaker 2: your husband, pouring over her credit cards in ATM transactions

447
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Speaker 2: to try to find him. She goes, Wow, I've got

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Speaker 2: a lumpy mattress. That doesn't make sense, doctor Chloe.

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Speaker 9: No, I would agree, Nancy. And moreover, if they had

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Speaker 9: a pending divorce, then you know, people are usually thinking

451
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Speaker 9: more about trying to kind of get rid of things that,

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Speaker 9: you know, buy new things when there's likely going to

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Speaker 9: be a move happening. Also, it sounds like maybe what

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Speaker 9: psychologists call impression management, when a person you know goes

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Speaker 9: out of their way to try to frame the other

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Speaker 9: persons as a victim, or rather frame the other person

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Speaker 9: as the aggressor and frame themselves as the victim. So,

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Speaker 9: you know, she's producing these videos and whatnot, but they

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Speaker 9: don't actually show anything incriminating and there's a lack of

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Speaker 9: any real evidence on her part of you know, injuries

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Speaker 9: or bruising or anything like that. I also find it

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Speaker 9: unusual that she would not tell the police proactively if

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Speaker 9: there had been some sort of a conflict, you know,

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Speaker 9: if she was calling to make a second report about

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Speaker 9: a conflict, why would she not have just told them

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Speaker 9: everything she knew to say, Look, we had a fight,

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Speaker 9: maybe he ran away, Please go try to find him.

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Speaker 9: So the fact that she's withholding information and then changing

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Speaker 9: her story and then possibly making you know, private statements

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Speaker 9: to somebody else, she's not appearing like a consistent witness here.

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining US Cottonwood Heights PD. Sergeant Young,

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Speaker 2: I remember the horrible moment, and it only lasted about

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Speaker 2: five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Max.

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Speaker 2: I was in a giant babies or us and I

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Speaker 2: turned around and I had my daughter was still standing there,

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Speaker 2: but my son was gone. He was only two and

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Speaker 2: a half three. I picked her up like football and

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Speaker 2: started running, screaming bloody murder to lock the front doors

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Speaker 2: and the back doors because my son was missing. I

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Speaker 2: didn't think about ordering an ee mattress in that moment.

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Speaker 2: I didn't gather my things that I had already put

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Speaker 2: in the cart for them and casually stroll up front

484
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Speaker 2: and start check out. Doctor Chloe was really calm in

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Speaker 2: her answer, But I find that crazy odd that she,

486
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Speaker 2: while her husband is missing, orders a knee mattress.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't bother.

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Speaker 7: You, No, that bothered me because been married for thirty years.

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Speaker 7: And if we make a purchase like a mattress, that's

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Speaker 7: a husband and wife decision, and that may take a

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Speaker 7: couple of days or visits because you're going to be

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Speaker 7: a couple of thousand dollars in mattress. So that would

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Speaker 7: that's not a normal every day or spur of the moment,

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Speaker 7: you know, President's Day mattress.

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing.

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Speaker 7: I would think that they had have spoken about, or

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Speaker 7: it wouldn't take place during a crisis such as your

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Speaker 7: missing husband.

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Speaker 2: When you and your coworkers execute a search warrant, Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Gary Young, what if anything do you find in the home.

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Speaker 7: Ideally we're going to find, you know, physical even for

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Speaker 7: executing a warrant, we would like to have any evidence

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Speaker 7: of the crime, hopefully blood or other bodily fluids. That

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Speaker 7: would be the ideal situation that we would be able

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Speaker 7: to find.

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Speaker 2: That. Isn't it true that blood was found on the

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Speaker 2: slats beneath the knee mattress and a large bloodstain on

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Speaker 2: the carpet bold the bed the room looked as if

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Speaker 2: it had been meticulously clean, including bleaching the walls and

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Speaker 2: trying to remove the stain out of the carpet.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that is correct.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Toby Wilson joining.

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Speaker 2: Me, Forensic biologists, bloodstain pattern analyst at No Slow Forensics Consultation.

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Speaker 1: Help me, Toby explain what we're saying.

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Speaker 6: Well, when there's signs of a cleanup, which is the

516
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Speaker 6: bleach and the cleaners, it should peak curiosity, especially in

517
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Speaker 6: a bedroom. A bedroom, you know there's so many things

518
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Speaker 6: in there that will retain evidence. The mattress is nothing

519
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Speaker 6: more than a big sponge, so cleaning in that is

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Speaker 6: virtually impossible. In my opinion, I've never seen anyone successfully

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Speaker 6: clean a mattress be because you may get it most

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Speaker 6: of it off the surface, but there's going to be

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Speaker 6: plenty inside. And then if there's enough blood, sufficient blood

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Speaker 6: that it bleeds through the mattress and ends up down

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Speaker 6: on the slats supporting it and the carpet underneath. Again,

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Speaker 6: you're working trying to clean away something that's very porous.

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Speaker 6: So the slats usually are wood. They're going to absorb

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Speaker 6: the blood, so it's going to be difficult to get

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Speaker 6: it out of the wood. But the carpet is the

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Speaker 6: bigger factor. I've found in many of the cases where

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Speaker 6: I've gone looking for a cleanup, carpeting is where we

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Speaker 6: find it because they may clean the surface so that

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Speaker 6: you can't see the blood, but there's this pad under

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Speaker 6: the carpet that actually a sponge also, and you can

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Speaker 6: just peel the carpet back and find blood frequently weeks

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Speaker 6: if there's a large volume, weeks after the event that's

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Speaker 6: still wet. So there's many places in this setting that

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Speaker 6: would be potentially harboring blood cleanup. The other thing is

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Speaker 6: is that when people clean up crime scenes, they're not

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Speaker 6: blood experts, and they clean up what they visually see.

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Speaker 6: They miss the small stuff. So when I go into

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Speaker 6: process a crime scene and look for blood, I'm using

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Speaker 6: whatever methodology, usually visual to lead me to the areas

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Speaker 6: they've missed. So there's a lot of things here that

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Speaker 6: would have applied. And the replacement of the mattress would

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Speaker 6: be a key piece of interest, because you know, knowing

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Speaker 6: that you're not going to get the blood out of

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Speaker 6: that mattress, you know if you've got to replace it.

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Speaker 6: It's just especially with the volumes of blood you're talking

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Speaker 6: about here. If there was enough blood to bleed through

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Speaker 6: and get to the areas under the mattress, that mattress

552
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Speaker 6: had to be very saturated.

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Speaker 10: Gledhill's friend recounts to police what Gledhill openly admitted the

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Speaker 10: evening before reporting her husband missing. Gledhill shot Johnson in

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Speaker 10: the head while he slept, then buried his body in

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Speaker 10: a shallow grave. Gledhill revealed the approximate location of the grave,

557
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Speaker 10: telling her friend she's trying to determine next steps.

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Speaker 1: Next steps? Is that what it's called?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, Ray, how does her gossiping to her friend

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Speaker 2: fit into your scenario? Why does she have to call

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Speaker 2: the friend and tell the whole thing and now she's

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out next steps?

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Speaker 5: Well, that certainly shows after death behavior. But what the

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Speaker 5: defensive battered women's syndrome is is everything that leads up

565
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Speaker 5: to the homicide is a homicide. But why why is

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Speaker 5: there enough evidence of abuse sufficient that a judge and

567
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Speaker 5: jury would say we understand what she did her behavior

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Speaker 5: after that?

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's a different argument.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's helpful, Don't get me wrong. You

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Speaker 5: would rather not have as a defense lawyer, that kind

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Speaker 5: of a text message and that friend who's going to

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Speaker 5: testify for the state obviously come into evidence. But you've

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Speaker 5: got to come up with a defense unless you argue

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Speaker 5: it was a third party, a burglar, somebody else or

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Speaker 5: a lover. And I don't see anything right now that

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Speaker 5: would support that as your primary defense.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So bottom line, you got to go somewhere. What

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Speaker 1: are you going to do.

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Speaker 2: You've managed to get your her husband's blood all over

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Speaker 2: the slats under the bed.

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Speaker 1: You're basically busted, unless.

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Speaker 2: You want to blame it on the five year old

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Speaker 2: for trying to do a cleanup of the carpet. You

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Speaker 2: heard what Toby Wilson said. When they go under that carpet,

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Speaker 2: the lord.

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Speaker 1: Only knows what they're going to find under there.

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Speaker 2: But this is not the first time we would see

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Speaker 2: a wife meticulously.

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Speaker 1: Planning I murder.

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Speaker 2: Does the name Corey Richins ring a bell also known

592
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Speaker 2: as Moscow mule mom?

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Speaker 1: Listen?

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Speaker 11: Police find Eric Richins dead on his bedroom floor. According

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Speaker 11: to court documents, Richins and his wife, Corey were celebrating

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Speaker 11: a business accomplishment the night he died. Police say Corey

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Speaker 11: claimed she made him Eric a Moscow mule, which he

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Speaker 11: drank in the bedroom. They say Corey told authorities that

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Speaker 11: she left to help one of their children and returned

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Speaker 11: to the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,

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Speaker 11: that she noticed Eric was cold to the touch and

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Speaker 11: called nine to one one.

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Speaker 2: And then there's Emily U, the so called draino wife.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 8: Radiologist Jack Chin says he noticed a chemical taste in

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Speaker 8: his drinks, so he set up a hidden camera in

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Speaker 8: their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife. You you

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Speaker 8: allegedly taking draino from under the sink and pouring it

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Speaker 8: into his lemonade. On three separate instances, a doctor diagnoses

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Speaker 8: Chin with two stomach alsters, gastritis and esophagus inflammation. Hidden

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Speaker 8: video is enough for cops, and the forty five year

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Speaker 8: old dermatologist is placed under arrest for trying to poison

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Speaker 8: her husband.

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Speaker 2: And what's so interesting about that case is this woman,

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Speaker 2: who as I recall, was a doctor herself.

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Speaker 1: Is caught on video. The husband gets.

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Speaker 2: Suspicious when his stomach becomes inflamed, and he posts video

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Speaker 2: cams all around the kitchen and the home. You see

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Speaker 2: her on video going over to the kitchen cabinet and

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Speaker 2: reaching in. He wisely set up a camera inside the

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Speaker 2: kitchen cabin and you see your hand reach in and

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Speaker 2: get the draino and pull it out, and then she

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Speaker 2: doctors his morning drink. Okay, Doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us

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Speaker 2: clinical psychologist, explain what's happening in these scenarios.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, especially with our current situation, I look at

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Speaker 9: what psychologists call grandiosity. So you would ask how it

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Speaker 9: could be that she could think that she could just

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Speaker 9: literally clean this up, you know, out of the carpet,

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Speaker 9: and if it is true that indeed she took it

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Speaker 9: into her own hands to just murder her husband, right there,

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Speaker 9: we have an element of grandiosity. And once you've done

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Speaker 9: an act like that, or even are preparing to do

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Speaker 9: an act like that, more than likely, unless you're a

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Speaker 9: total psychopath, you would have what psychologists call hot cognition,

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Speaker 9: So you know, your your mind is kind of supercharged,

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Speaker 9: and maybe you're not even thinking super clearly, and so

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Speaker 9: that might be why you know, she could to do

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Speaker 9: something like that without really thinking it through. But again

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Speaker 9: I'm looking at the grandiosity possibility, the idea that she

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Speaker 9: would think that she could just you know, make these

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Speaker 9: videos and paint him a certain way and paint herself

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Speaker 9: a certain way and then maybe potentially go murder him

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Speaker 9: and confide in a friend and think it would never

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Speaker 9: come back upon her. There's a real egoism there, if

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Speaker 9: all of that is true.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jennifer Scotski joining me, investigative reporter, Jennifer, I'm

647
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Speaker 2: always amazed that killers will speak to their compadres, their cohorts,

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Speaker 2: not even co defendants, and expect them to keep quiet.

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Speaker 2: That's always been so bizarre to me that you murder someone,

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Speaker 2: in this case, murdering him in his sleep, so that's

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Speaker 2: not self defense, telling friends about it, expecting them to

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Speaker 2: be in on your secret.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, it's definitely a case of would be a

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Speaker 9: great example of grandiosity that she could do something like

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Speaker 9: murder and then can find in a friend and as

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Speaker 9: you said, expect that the friend would just obey her instructions,

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Speaker 9: you know, to keep this, you know, murder confession quiet. Essentially,

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Speaker 9: that would definitely speak to a grandiosity or kind of

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Speaker 9: a fuzzy connection with reality and social norms and what

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Speaker 9: she could expect from people.

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Speaker 1: What about it, dinnerfer Skouski.

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Speaker 4: Now just to me, just looking at all of this,

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Speaker 4: who it sounds like your classic dumb killer. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it seems that she just didn't think at all. I mean,

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Speaker 4: who buys a new mattress after who goes to their

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Speaker 4: friend and says I did this? Or confidential informant as

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Speaker 4: they're calling this person?

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Speaker 1: Who does that?

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Speaker 4: Nobody with a sane, normal mind is ever going to

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Speaker 4: think they're going to get away with the way that

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Speaker 4: miss Jennifer has has tried to do thus far.

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Speaker 2: And of course I want you to take a look

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Speaker 2: at the classic black widow. Dahlia Dippolito offers a hitman

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Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars to kill her husband. She sets up

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Speaker 2: an alibi for herself in their early morning hours, where

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Speaker 2: she says she's going to the gym. The hitman would

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Speaker 2: go in the home and kill her husband unbeknownst to her,

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Speaker 2: of course, she has done a deal with an undercover

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Speaker 2: surveillance officer. This is her when Ellie law enforcement come

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Speaker 2: to tell her her.

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Speaker 1: Husband is dead. Little do they does she know this

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Speaker 1: is all part.

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Speaker 2: Of a sting. So watch Dahlia Dippolito, watch out, Meryl Street,

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Speaker 2: She's coming for you.

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Speaker 1: Is your husband?

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Speaker 7: Michael Okay, I'm sorry to tell you man, he's been killed.

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Speaker 1: He's been killed.

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Speaker 6: Right now we need to get we need.

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Speaker 1: I can't look and then we have to do our job.

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Speaker 7: If you want the finest pillera we need you to

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Speaker 7: calm do need you to go with theives?

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Speaker 8: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Gary Young joining us from Cottonwood p D. Where

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Speaker 2: is the search? Where did she allegedly stay? She buried

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Speaker 2: her husband?

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Speaker 7: Are still looking for the deceased and we weren't given

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Speaker 7: a specific location. We have put out about twenty five

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Speaker 7: warrants now for cell phones, computer history those we're still

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Speaker 7: following up on all our leads trying to get the

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Speaker 7: best known location. I mean, be a needle in a

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Speaker 7: haystack to just randomly go drive around and look for

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Speaker 7: a place. But we're still trying to narrow that down

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Speaker 7: and uh, several leads we've looked into that haven't been

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Speaker 7: very fruitful, and so we're still exploding that electronic information

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Speaker 7: trying to gain a better location on where we should

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Speaker 7: you know, focus our.

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Speaker 1: Search and where is Jennifer Gledhill? Now listen.

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Speaker 10: Jennifer Gledhill is arrested outside her home nine days into

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Speaker 10: the search for Matthew Johnson on suspicion of murder and

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Speaker 10: tampering with evidence. The couple's three children have been placed

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Speaker 10: in the care of a relative. As Gledhill has been

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Speaker 10: denied bail. Gledhill will remain in the Salt Lake County

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Speaker 10: Jail due to fears she will further tamper with evidence

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Speaker 10: or flee based on the comments she made to her friend.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything regarding the

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Speaker 2: disappearance of this husband and father, Special Ops Hubby Matthew Johnson,

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Speaker 2: please dial eight zero one eight four zero four thousand,

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Speaker 2: repeat eight zero one eight four zero four thousand. Nancy

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Speaker 2: Gray signing off, goodbye friend,