1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. For decades, it's been 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: an open secret that colleges and universities are filled with 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: far left professors who use their classrooms to force anti 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: American and progressive ideologies onto students. In his new book 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: The College Scam, How America's universities are bankrupting and brainwashing 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: away the future of America's youth, Charlie Kirk puts the 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: college industry on trial with a ten counter indictment of 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: why academia has lost all credibility. Here to talk about 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome my friend 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: and my guest, Charlie Kirk. He is the founder and 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: president of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: conservative youth activist organization in the country. He's also a 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: number one New York Times bestselling author and host of 14 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show, which is both a podcast and 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: a radio show. Charlie, welcome and thank you for joining 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: me on the News Worlds. You speaker and honor to 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: be here. Thank you so much. Now I understand you 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: were coming off a huge weekend for Turning Point USA 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: with the annual Student Action Summit or SAS, and you 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: really had some amazing speakers there, including Senator Ted Cruz, 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: doctor Ben Carson, Senator Josh Holly, Laura Ingram, just to 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: name a few. It sounds like it was a great weekend. 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: It was. It was extraordinary. We had five thousand students 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: from all across the country, all fifty states represented, and 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: our sister organization, our Political Arm Turning Point Action, hosted 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Ron De Santis and Donald Trump. Donald Trump spoke for 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: nearly two hours and a person did not move in 28 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the entire room for two hours. Who was something to see? 29 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: And then we did a straw pole that was really 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: interesting and Donald Trump won seventy eight percent of the 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: vote when the question was asked, who is your preference 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four, But the next question was equally 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: as interesting. If Trump does not run, who is then 34 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: your choice? And Rhonda Santis won eighty three percent of 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: that vote, And so that really goes to show that 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: it is Donald Trump's party. But Rhonda Santis has a 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: major future and regardless of what he does. You know, 38 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: some people said, oh De Santis lost, No, Trump won 39 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: more than DeSantis losing because eighty three percent as a 40 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: second choice, that's unheard of. It's extraordinary. Well, I mean, 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: my view is that Trump and DeSantis dominate two twenty 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: four in a way that people don't understand yet that 43 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: whoever is number three, and then Mike Pence currently who 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: comes in you know, like a nine percent, and then 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: nobody else is above one or two percent, and they 46 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: don't get it yet. I mean in the news media house, Trump, 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: of course, is just a phenomenon who's now been around 48 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: long enough that he's an event in his own right. 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: But DeSantis has done such an amazing job both of 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: governing Florida and picking the right fights that it seems 51 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: to me he's really penetrating as a guy who may 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: well be for any reason, Trump did not run to Santis, 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I think would be the prohibitive front runner. And I 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: think it says a lot about your organization that you 55 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: have that caliber of people showing up and eager to 56 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: talk with your folks. Well, thank you. It's been a 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: lot of work for about a decade. And you know, 58 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I want to say this, this pulls a little different 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: than most because these are the workers. I mean, you 60 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: know how campaigns work. You need the people that are 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: going to show up at seven am on a Saturday 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: morning and be willing to knock on doors and put 63 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: together yard signs. That's the type of people that show 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: up at our events, and so it goes to show 65 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the absolute grassroots of the party, not the passive listeners, 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: but the active participants. They're one hundred percent behind Trump 67 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: coming into twenty twenty four, not one hundred percent let 68 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: me say seventy eight point seven percent behind Trump. Let's 69 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: put it that way, which is still overwhelming, rather extraordinary. Yeah, 70 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: so take a minute for our audience and tell us 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: a turning point USA, which is astonishing achievement on your part. Yeah, 72 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: thank you. It's been about ten years of work started 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: when I was eighteen years old, didn't go to college 74 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: and did this actually instead, which actually kind of leads 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: into part of the thesis of the book. But our 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: whole premise is that we live in the greatest country 77 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: ever to exist in the history of the world, and 78 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: we believe we are making a series of decisions through 79 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: how we're educating our children or not educating them, I 80 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: should say, to go in the wrong direction. And our 81 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: mission is to try to restore the American constitutional Republic 82 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: through an engaged citizenry, primarily through student engagement and education. 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: We're on pace to however, one thousand high school chapters, 84 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: an extraordinary number. Just this last weekend at our student 85 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: Action summit, we had over three hundred new chapter signups 86 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: just there alone, and over six hundred and fifty college 87 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: campus sign ups, which is a pretty considerable number. So 88 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: it speaks for itself. To get five thousand students for 89 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: anything in the room is a big accomplishment, let alone 90 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: in Tampa, Florida in the summer when it's super expensive 91 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: to travel to get kids from all fifty states, that's 92 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: a big accomplishment. But the credit goes to our staff, 93 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: and God's been so good to us. We feel immensely blessed. 94 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: So as you've been building this, you also have a 95 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: very close relationship with Praiger University. Explain that, Yeah, I'm 96 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: very close with Praiger you and I'm even closer to 97 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: Dennis Prager. I have to say, Dennis Prager is a 98 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: mentor of mine and is just fabulous. He has taught 99 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: me so much. I love his books, and I'll tell 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: you you know, actually Dennis Prager was the first person 101 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: to say what I argue in the book as forcefully 102 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: as he did. I always believed it, but someone who 103 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: is as educated as Dennis Prager really kind of gave 104 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: me the confidence to articulate that. But Prager use a 105 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: great partner for us. They do phenomenal work online, some 106 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: of the best videos, educational video content, and we're great 107 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: partners in this fight for liberty. So when you use 108 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: their videos, man, how does that work out? We help 109 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: distribute them. So we have millions and millions of followers 110 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, and so we do 111 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: partnerships to help distribute their videos and content. And I 112 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: could tell you that some of the top talent at 113 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: Prager University comes and speaks at our university campus events 114 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: and some of the things we do. And I kind 115 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: of make the analogy that Prager University is the Air 116 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Force and we're the Marines. So they're the ones that 117 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: kind of come in with the chokunaw and we're the 118 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: ones that are kind of going foxhole to foxhole. Both 119 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: are necessary to kind of win this culture war. And 120 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: so we're honored and touched by that. And the contribution 121 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: Dennis Prager is made to my life is enormous. So 122 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: one of the things you've done at turning point USA, 123 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: is you've developed this Professor watch list where students can 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: expose the bias on their campsus walk us through that. Yeah, 125 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: this used to be a pretty controversial project. I say 126 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: used to be because even some people on the right 127 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: gave me some criticism when I launched this project back 128 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, where effectively we name the names of 129 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: some of the most radical faculty members of academia in 130 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: the country. And mister speaker, this was best on display 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: when you saw Senator Holly's back and forth with Professor 132 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: Kiera Bridges from UC Berkeley just a couple weeks ago, 133 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: where she was basically berating him as the expert witness 134 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: that he's transphobic because he does not believe that men 135 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: can become pregnant. There's examples of that happening all across 136 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the country. We use factual, third party documentation, local school 137 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: student newspapers, video evidence, and look the criterias. This is 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: we believe if you're a forcefully anti American academic that 139 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: is going out of the way to indoctrinate your class, 140 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: not educate your class, then you win a place on 141 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: our Professor watch list. Some of them consider it to 142 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: be a badge of honor. Others find it to be 143 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: a little bit less than they love it. But the 144 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: idea of the Professor watch List has always been about 145 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: information to give students, parents, board members, and donors the 146 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: information they need to make informed decisions about what's happening 147 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: on university campuses. So is it you experienced it? For example, 148 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: students will actually look at the list in terms of 149 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: who to avoid, yes and no. It's actually had the 150 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: bigger impact with donors to universities, and so we have 151 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: a side project of the Professor Watch List called DIVESTU, 152 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: which tries to encourage conservative donors to stop giving money 153 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: to their alma mater, especially some of these bigger liberal schools. 154 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: And so we've actually tracked over one hundred and twenty 155 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: six million dollars that we've helped divest from some of 156 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: these universities thanks to the Professor watch List. For example, 157 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, if a professor will come out to say, 158 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: I don't know at a school to Lane that you 159 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: might be familiar with, of course joking around and they 160 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: come out and they say something radically anti American, you know, 161 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: a T Lane downer might say maybe I shouldn't give 162 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: that million dollars to the university. Maybe I should direct 163 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: it in another place. That's really where we've seen the 164 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: biggest success and students. Also, it's helped with some of 165 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: their let's say, faculty choices as well. So, as I 166 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: understand it, you have seen firsthand college campuses trying to 167 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: censor opposing viewpoints, namely you. I mean, I've been told 168 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: that in the follow two thousand nineteen, faculty members and 169 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: staff at the University of Nevada Reno actually circulated a 170 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: petition against Turning Point USA titled quote concerning White Nationalism 171 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: on the University of Nevada Reno Campus. What was that 172 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: all about? This happens all the time. Thankfully that's a 173 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: public school, so they didn't have any sort of legal 174 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: ability to shut us down. But this goes to show 175 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,359 Speaker 1: the kind of petulance that has infected the American academy. 176 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: Higher education should be and used to be a place 177 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: of a marketplace of ideas. Let the best ideas win. 178 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: But imagine being a college professor and you have a doctorate, 179 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: and the best use of your time, you believe, is 180 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: circulating a petition saying that we don't want a guest 181 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: speaker to come give a ninety minute optional lecture in 182 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: a building that really is hard to find on campus 183 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: by the way, that you have to wait in line 184 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: to go into. But it was amazing about that event 185 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: and so many of our events is we can't find 186 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: rooms big enough to fit all the students that want 187 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: to actually attend our lectures. You know, whether it be 188 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: Boulder or UC Berkeley. I speak all across the country 189 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: and we do see this pattern. The pattern is there 190 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: are a lot of students that want to attend our speeches. 191 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: It's just hard to be able to find the physical 192 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: rooms to fit them all in there. And so look, 193 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: the professors, in some ways they're a little bit of 194 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: a distraction. I mean, they obviously have a lot of power, 195 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: but we pushed through it. Unfortunately universities such as Cornell 196 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: University in Ithaca, New York, they were successful in canceling 197 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: our appearance there a couple of years ago. But thankfully 198 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: we've kind of found a way to navigate that. But 199 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't come as a great shock to us, so 200 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: as I understand though. Back at the Univation of o 201 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: Arino Petition, Kamala Harris was as a presidential can actually 202 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: signed the petition. That's right. Yeah, she signed the petition 203 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: and she did an event there, and this should have 204 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: been a harbinger of things to come. But our event 205 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: was much bigger than Kamala Harris's event, despite the fact 206 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: it was right on the California border and that she 207 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: was a presidential candidate. Our attendants far exceeded hers. So 208 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: as that gather, I mean, you mean, you're a famous 209 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: person now and you've really become a national figure. But 210 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: if a normal, everyday concerting student, I understand that in 211 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: a number of these left leaning colleges you really do 212 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: face discrimination. What are the kind of reports you get? 213 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: I could mention several. Actually one involves Talane. Believe it 214 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: or not, you keep coming back to my alma mater here, No, 215 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: I do that, you know, only just to make it relevant. 216 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: I'll use one you see Berkeley, for example, one of 217 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: our students a couple of years ago, guy by the 218 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: name of Harrison, was punched in the face and knocked 219 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: out cold. You might have remembered. That video went super 220 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: viral at the time. And look, I could go through 221 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: some of the violence of people that you get, bear 222 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: sprayed on campus or physical threats or have the tables overturned. 223 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: But it's actually the less sexy news stories that happen 224 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: more often, which is students that get graded differently, that 225 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: get kicked out of fraternity sororities that get bullied, that 226 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: lose friends. That sort of soft power is much more prevalent, 227 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: I should say, and I think post is a greater 228 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: cultural threat. And what's so remarkable if you kind of 229 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: tie it all together with what we are doing at 230 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: our Student Actions Summit at Turning Point USA, is you 231 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: have five thousand students that are publicly making a declaration 232 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: that they want their life to be harder in the 233 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: short term. That's an extraordinary thing where they say, I 234 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: know the backlash, I know that people are going to be, 235 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,359 Speaker 1: you know, treating me differently, but I'm okay with that. 236 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: That's a sign that the conservative movement, I think is 237 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: strengthening from the bottom up. What I'm impressed with is 238 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: not only are you doing this on college campuses, but 239 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: you now have a school board watch list that goes 240 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: right at the heart of where the teachers Union and 241 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: left is trying to change our schools. How has that developed? 242 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: It's been a phenomenal project. So it's all about awareness, 243 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: so people can find it at Schoolboard watch List dot org. 244 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: It's a twenty four seven three sixty five surveillance project 245 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: basically where a donor funded it, and we have three 246 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: full time people and their full time job is to 247 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: look at school board meetings all day long. That's all 248 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: they do. They just look at what's being passed, because 249 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: who has the time to wait till two am to 250 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: look at some of these guys. So, for example, you know, 251 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: Loudon County is the one that gets all the notoriety, 252 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: but at Scottsdale Unified School District in Arizona, we've that 253 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: they were trying to push queer theory and CRT and 254 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: being able to have our eyes on it, we then 255 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: notify local parents groups and spread the awareness. And so 256 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: basically the Schoolboard watch List our goal. By the end 257 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: of the year, we'll have seven hundred and fifty school 258 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: districts that we have eyes on, that we are monitoring 259 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: and that we're publishing. And our whole goal with the 260 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: school Board watch List is to be able to have 261 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: parents have the information necessary to keep the pressure on 262 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: their local government schools. And so I'm a big fan 263 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: of charter schools. I'm a big fan of private schools 264 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: and homeschooling. But one of my big concerns is that 265 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: if we as conservatives build all these new institutions, we're 266 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: going to just forget the public schools altogether. I believe 267 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: we have to keep the pressure on to reform however 268 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: we can, and we can leave no child behind. I 269 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: know that saying that phrase puts a bad taste not 270 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: of people's mouths, kind of post bush, but it's true. 271 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: They're all our fellow countrymen, they're all our fellow citizens, 272 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: and I think engagement and involvement in the local school 273 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: issue is imperative. I couldn't agree with you more. I 274 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: think it's very important for us to recognize that our 275 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: decleation independence is that all of us are endowed by 276 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: our creator, and we can't turn our back on anybody 277 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: who has an endowment from God. I mean, I think 278 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: it's a very important reassessment of conservatism to insist that 279 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: it has to care about everybody. I do want to 280 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: note that your very first book was entitled The Maga Doctrine, 281 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: The Only Ideas that Will Win the Future, and that 282 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: became a number one Amazon, a New York Times bestseller. 283 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: So first of all, I just want to congratulate us, 284 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: a guy who's written a fair number of books. I 285 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: think it's pretty darn impressive when you get launched from 286 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: the New York Times of number one. Well, thank you. 287 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: And they did so reluctantly and begrudgingly. And I will 288 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: have to say though, I was given a little unfair 289 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: advantage because President Trump seemed to like that book a lot, 290 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: and he promoted it heavily that week, and so it 291 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: was a blowout. But thank you, And that book is 292 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: just as applicable today as it was back then when 293 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: I did my best to really try to articulate the 294 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: philosophical base of Trump is um you wrote a very 295 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: similar book, mister speaker. But I liked that term, the 296 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: Mega doctrine. It was a playoff of, obviously the Monroe 297 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: doctrine in the eighteen twenties that kind of reconfigured hemispheric 298 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: geopolitical dynamics. I think that President Trump did something very 299 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: similar where I think he reasserted kind of Western civilization 300 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: as the ideal for all humanity. And so anyway, it 301 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: was a big accomplishment. So thank you for that. Yeah, 302 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: that was great, But now your new book has a 303 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: much more complicated title, The college Scam. How America's universities 304 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: are bankrupting and brainwashing away the future of America's youth. 305 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Very interesting word. How is college a scam? I get 306 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: some interesting feedback on this. You know, I'm very pro learning, 307 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: and I think everyone decent is or that strives me 308 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: decent is, and I'm pro education. What we're seeing though, 309 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: if you really dive into the numbers, and I've been 310 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: thinking about this for over a decade since starting Turning 311 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: Point USA, the numbers are extraordinary. I'll share a couple 312 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: of them. For example, forty percent of people that enter 313 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: and enrolling college will drop out forty percent. So if 314 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: I said, hey, let's go get dinner tonight. Oh, by 315 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: the way, you have a forty percent chance of getting 316 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: food poisoning, you'd say, wait a second, what kind of 317 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: restaurant is this? Not to mention? Then, if they graduate, 318 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: over half of all college graduates end up getting their 319 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: long term career in a job that does not require 320 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: a college degree, and sixty five percent end up getting 321 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: a job in a different profession or different field than 322 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: their college degree actually was. And so we have this 323 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: mounting student loan crisis, heavily subsidized by the American taxpayer. 324 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: We have these incredible enormous endowments that are untouched, that 325 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: wild tuition continues to go up, and not to mention, 326 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: of course, the societal and the cultural cost, which I 327 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: spend a fair amount of time in this book making 328 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: the argument that almost every bad idea that you now 329 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: see being taken seriously by the left was incubated and 330 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: perfected and message tested in the American university. And I 331 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: make the argument happens on college campuses, does not say 332 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: on college campus that goes to corporate boardrooms and the 333 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: halls of Congress. And so I believe that, of course 334 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: college is necessary for some people, But the vast majority 335 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: of young people that are going to college I do 336 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: not think should be going. In fact, I think if 337 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: they didn't at all, America would be in a much 338 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: better place. You know, somebody asked me other day, and 339 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: I didn't really have as good an answer as I 340 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: should have. How did the slide to this kind of brainwashing, 341 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: hypocritical left wing approach? How did this suddenly catalytically come together? 342 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: So it's the news media, it's the college campuses, it's 343 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: the c suites of the big corporations. Suddenly they all 344 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of gelled. What's your theory of that? I have 345 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: a couple answers. You know, the first time I ever 346 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: heard the name Slinski was when you were running for 347 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: president and you accused Obama of being an Olynskyite. And 348 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: I was like, who is this guy? I was eighteen 349 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: years old in high school. I remember you doing that. 350 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: You wrent around and said, this guy's an Olynski. I said, 351 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: who the heck is Olinsky? And one of Olynsky's rules, 352 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: or one of his tactics, was infiltration. And this is 353 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: something that the Left was very good at for years. 354 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I think we're going 355 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: to really destroy the left. Is there actually disobeying Olynskyite commandments, 356 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: which is Olynski would always say that the true radical 357 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: wears a three piece suit and slowly and surely inserts 358 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: himself into a pre existing institution, and then that he 359 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: is a radical. It's not the person in the street 360 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: throwing Molotov cocktails. I think they're kind of breaking Olynsky's rules. 361 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: But to answer the question, this combination is really they 362 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: have figured out that the left is best at infiltration 363 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: and primarily this combination. I think my thesis is something 364 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: that people don't talk about enough HR departments. I believe 365 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: HR departments could be blamed largely for diversity, equity inclusion, 366 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: for wokeism, for the over emphasis on affirmative action, for 367 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: the weakening of American corporate culture, and men and the 368 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: HR departments are filled with college minded activists that come 369 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: in and they see their purpose not as making money 370 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: or turning a profit, but putting forward some sort of 371 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: social justice agenda that I would be my working theory 372 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: not to mention, though they almost all live in harmony, 373 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: that their goal is to continue the revolution towards some 374 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: form of a utopia. So I mean there's utopianism. I 375 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: think in part is buffered and protected and coddled by 376 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: the fact that if you look at the ten wealthiest 377 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: universities in the US, they collectively have over two hundred 378 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: billion dollars in their endowments. If these guys want to 379 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: really believe in taxing the rich, maybe they ought to 380 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: be the first groups we tax. Yes, So I say 381 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: in the book that American colleges have become hedge funds 382 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: with a school attached, and they have these massive albatross 383 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: of money that is tax free, by the way, and 384 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: then now we the American taxpayer, I have to pay 385 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: for student loan forgiveness. Why don't we have the actual 386 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: institution itself that got the kids into debt, tap into 387 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, Harvard's fifty six billion dollar endowment to 388 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: maybe pay a little bit for the suffering these kids 389 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: are now feeling well. And the fact is, having gone 390 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: through this whole student loan process and pel grand process, 391 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: every time the government puts in more money, the cost 392 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: has gone up. If I remember correctly, higher education costs 393 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: have risen faster than the cost of healthcare. Yes, that's right, 394 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: and there's a couple of reasons for it, because everything 395 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: we do with higher education is at war with the 396 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: laws of economics, everything from who actually pays to deferred 397 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: cost to vetting of the actual person. For example, if 398 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm a straight A student from the suburbs of Dallas 399 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: and I want to go to University of Texas Austin, 400 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: and I took all AP classes, but I want to 401 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: take out student loans, I will get the same student 402 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: loan interest rate as someone who is maybe a questionable 403 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: student that's not very passionate when they want to go 404 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: study North African lesbian poetry. And so the issue is 405 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: that when you have a model that treats every single 406 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: student the same, well, then who's on the hook. Then 407 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: the American taxpayer is So you're right. The more the 408 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: government has got involved, the more pell grants, the more 409 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: loans that have been distributed, the more the cost of 410 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: college goes. Because the question really remains, it's the only 411 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: operative economics question, why would college ever lower their tuition 412 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: because kids are coming in with the backing of the 413 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: full faith and credit of the United States government local loans. 414 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: This is interesting since the passage of Obamacare, basically there 415 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: is not a private student loan market anymore. It's been 416 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: completely nationalized. Now. It was on its way, but it 417 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: was a provision of Obamacare many people didn't know about. 418 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: And it used to be in the seventies, eighties, or 419 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: nineties you had to go to a local community bank. 420 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: You had to look a banker in the eye. They 421 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: asked for your tests, They asked, hey, how are you 422 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: going to pay this off? What are you studying? That 423 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: ask for your scores your raids. Now you can go 424 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: forty five thousand dollars in debt in fifteen minutes or 425 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: lass at Fastisa dot gov. I'm curious when you look 426 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: at the fights here in the middle of and you 427 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: look at the scale of what you're taking on, would 428 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: you call yourself an optimist or a pessimist? You know, 429 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: I get asked this question a lot. I force myself 430 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: into optimism. I have to or else why would I 431 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: be doing all of this right? But here's what the 432 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: exciting moment is that I know for certain that our 433 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: defeat is not a guarantee, and that's what gives me hope. 434 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: And so people ask me, Charlie, you optimistic or pessimistic. 435 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: If I were to say I was pessimistic, then everyone 436 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: listening would say, oh, I shouldn't do anything because Charlie 437 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: said we're gonna lose. If I said I was nothing 438 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: but optimistic, people say I have to do anything because 439 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: Charlie thinks we're gonna win. I think that it's to 440 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: be determined. It's solely and completely on our action, our dedication. 441 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: But I will say there is so much fight left 442 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 1: in the American people. I think that there is a 443 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: vast underestimation of how hard the normal, everyday American is 444 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: willing to fight for this country. That's my greatest source 445 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: of optimism. So from your standpoint, patriotism is at the 446 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: core of all this. Yes, it's love of country. You know. 447 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: I went on a very liberal podcast recently and they 448 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: laughed at me because they couldn't believe what I said. 449 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: They said, what should really the goal of civic's education be? 450 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: I said, gratitude. A nation that does not have gratitude 451 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: for the sacrifice is made prior to the existence of 452 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: the structure of the country you're living in, then why 453 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to revolutionize it? And so patriotism is 454 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: at its core. But you cannot be patriotic if you 455 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: are not thankful. And we live in the greatest nation 456 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: ever to exist in the history of the world. And 457 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: one of my goals is to try to educate as 458 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: many students as possibly thankful and then willing to commit 459 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: to do something about it. So from your standpoint, may 460 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: you now have a national organization, you have a national reputation, 461 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: You've been very successful with books. How do you win 462 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: this fight? I just want to play my role, you know, 463 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. You mentioned that I gave the opening 464 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: speech at the Student Action Summit and I challenge the 465 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: audience to reframe how you view yourself in America. And 466 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: this is very provocative, but I believe we must now 467 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: think as if we are dissidents in our own country, 468 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: that the Left is now in invading, occupying force, and 469 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: that we have to think of ourselves is how do 470 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: you decouple an invasion or an occupation? And that means 471 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: we have to outlast them. We have to outthink them, 472 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: we have to outwork them, we have to outcreate them. 473 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: We have to use humor, we have to use innovation. 474 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 1: But let's be honest. Though they outnumber us just with 475 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: how many institutions they control, we outnumber them with people. 476 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: And we have the truth, and we have I think 477 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: the greatest country ever to exist. That's a fifty fifty fight. 478 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: Who knows how it's going to end up, but I'll 479 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: tell you, when you're around five thousand kids for a 480 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: couple of days and they're dedicated and they're fired up, 481 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: they're like, I'm gonna do whatever it takes. We got 482 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: a lot more fight in us than I think the 483 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: Left even realizes. I can't quite imagine how much energy 484 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: five thousand students gathered from the whole country coming together 485 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: and meet each other. I mean, the level of just 486 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: social interaction and excitement that must be unbelievable. It's on fire, 487 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: it's electric, you know. I always get a kick out 488 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: of President Trump when he comes to our events. He says, 489 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: how many people? How big is the crowd? I said, 490 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: it's huge, I said, but it's not about the number. 491 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: I said, mister President, I'll due respect, the decibel per 492 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: person at our event is going to be much more 493 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: than a MAGA rally. And afterwards he says, that's the 494 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: loudest crowd. I said, yeah, they're seventeen eighteen years old. 495 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: For example, you got a guy in the front row. 496 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: He goes to Brown. He doesn't get a chance to 497 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: scream about his politics very often, right, maybe get screamed at. 498 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: And so the energy is electric, it's invigorating. And I 499 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: think there's something really profound and special happening in this country, 500 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: and the media's missing it. They're intentionally missing it. It 501 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: will materialize in the next couple elections, and I think 502 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: in the next ten years you're going to see the 503 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: fruit of this movement in more ways than one. Do 504 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: you now have both a college campus approach with all 505 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: these students, you also have sort of watching the school boards. 506 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: Would it be your hope to literally ultimately be on 507 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: every single campus in the country. Yeah. So there's twenty 508 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: seven thousand high schools across the country. And now this 509 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: drives my team nuts when I say this, because we're 510 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: on pace for a thousand high school chapters. And I said, well, 511 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: what's our plan to get to ten thousand? Why not? 512 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: What's our plan to get to fifteen thousand? And we 513 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: have to think bigger. There's no reason why we can't 514 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: think the way the left did. Now, we'll get censored 515 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: and we'll get pushed back, but there is this massive 516 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: untapped potential. And this is kind of one of the 517 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: laws of economics that Milton Freeman used to talk about, 518 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,239 Speaker 1: which is it's not a fixed And this was one 519 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: of the things that people told me when I first 520 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: started turning point Charlie, every young conservative has already been identified, 521 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: this has all been done before. You can actually create more, 522 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: and you can persuade people, and you can grow the 523 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: pie and get people that otherwise we're not involved involved 524 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: and so you could grow your ranks. And so our 525 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: goal right now is a thousand high school chapters. We're 526 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: going to hit it soon and then five thousand and 527 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: ten thousand, and we'll see where we go next. Do 528 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,239 Speaker 1: you find it harder to grow chapters, for example, at 529 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: historically black campuses, that's very tough. Yeah, We've tried a lot. 530 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: We have some amazing Turning Point USA leaders there. Now, 531 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: I will say this, schools that are predominantly Latino are 532 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: some of our most vibrant and exciting chapters. For example, 533 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: Florida International University in Miami is one of our strongest 534 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: Turning Point USA chapters in the country. University of Texas 535 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: El Paso u TEP one of the largest chapters in 536 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: the country. HBCUs far more difficult. There is a cultural 537 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: expectation that you will be at best moderate but almost 538 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: a card carrying liberal democrat. I agree with you. In 539 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: the data, I'm saying something has happened in the Latino 540 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: culture where they have reached a conclusion that the left 541 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: is bad for them. That's right, and I think it's 542 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: a little different than how most people are observing it. 543 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: I think social issues are what's driving it. I really do, 544 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: in particular the destruction of the traditional archetype of the 545 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: strong male and of the motherly female that is embedded 546 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: in Latino culture. That is a fundamental value of a 547 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: strong family. So when they hear someone that gets up 548 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill and says they think men can become pregnant, 549 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: as you said on my program, New that's just weird. 550 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: In fact, I mean beyond weird. But a Latino came 551 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: up to me and he said something incredible, a young 552 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: Latino activist. He said, Charlie, when I hear a white 553 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: liberal tell me men can become pregnant, I feel like 554 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: it's Christopher Columbus bringing poison blankets to us. I said, 555 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: that's a little aggressive, but that's the way they look 556 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: at it, white woke imperialism. Well, and then when you 557 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: think about it, in that particular culture, to talk about 558 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: birthing persons instead of mothers is a violation of the 559 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: entire culture. And not only that, the language. I mean, 560 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: in Spanish language, they conjugate verbs of masculine and feminine. 561 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, just to say that all genders are the same. 562 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: Good luck, you know, Manhattan liberals. I think there's there's 563 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: something so historical. I believe in the next five years, 564 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: if we don't massively screw it up, Hispanics will be 565 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: a predominantly Republican voting blood. Oh. I think that's right, 566 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: And I have to say that Colesto won't let me 567 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: do it, but I want to actually do an alternative 568 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: version of Genesis in which God invents man and woman, 569 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: and then he invents sort of man and sort of woman, 570 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: and then he goes through like the sixty two different pronouns, 571 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: and the poor snake gets exhausted carrying apples around to 572 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: all of the these various strange people and finally says 573 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: enough already. Can we just go back to man and woman? Yeah, 574 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: that's right. That would definitely get people's attention. And I'll 575 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: tell you that you look at kind of the Hispanic 576 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: culture being predominantly Catholic and Christian, this idea of post 577 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: birth abortion, widespread transgenderism, it is moving the dial, not 578 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: to mention the small business culture, inflation and all that. 579 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: So you know, it's amazing, mister speaker, at our event, 580 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: our turning point, you'll say, event, I gotta tell you 581 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: it was at least twenty to thirty percent Hispanic Asian, 582 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: you know Nicaraguin. Yeah, why are the same strengths oment 583 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: to the faith and freedom? Big meeting about three thousand people, 584 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: a thousand and we're Latino. I mean, it was just 585 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: an astonishing turnout. Yes, and it's happening at every level 586 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: of the socioeconomic ladder. And it's the exact opposite. They 587 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: told us Donald Trump would be the death of the 588 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: Republican Party and that it would only be white men, 589 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: and it's actually more diverse than ever. Yeah, this a 590 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: remarkable time. I want to thank you for joining me. 591 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: As you know, I'm a big fan of yours. I 592 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: think what you're achieving is truly historic. You're one of 593 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: the major full chromos on which this culture will save itself. 594 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: And I think your new book, The College Scam, How 595 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: America's universities are bankrupting and brainwashing away the future of 596 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: America's youth. It's a must read for anyone concerned about 597 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: what is happening on our college campuses, and for anyone 598 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: who'd like to find out more about Turning Point USA. 599 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: You can go to TPUSA dot com and we will 600 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: have on our show page to how to buy the book. 601 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: So I'm delighted that you would take time to be 602 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: with this. I always love doing your show and I 603 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: look forward to being with you again. Thank you, mister speaker. 604 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: One last note, try to not give money to Amazon. 605 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: College Scam dot Com goes straight there. Thank you so much, 606 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: mister speaker. We appreciate it. Thank you to my guests, 607 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. You can get a link to buy his 608 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: new book to College Scam on our show page at 609 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: newtsworld dot com. Newts World is produced by Getting the 610 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: Street sixty and Hard Media. 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