WEBVTT - Kohberger Accepts Plea Deal, Fifth Graders Plot Classmate's Murder, Child Falls Overboard on Disney Cruise, and More! 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:14.080 Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:21.080 Hi. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.360 Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Well, there has been 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.120 a lot of shocking news story since our last episode, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.639 so we are going to get into some of those today. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.360 Of course, we're on Diddy Verdict Watch, so whenever that 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.000 comes out, we'll be talking about it, but not on 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.000 today's episode because really nothing is happening yet. We're going 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.879 to get into the plea deal with Brian Coburger that 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.519 he is apparently taking this week on his homicide conviction, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.199 and we also have a couple freak accidents involving a 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.520 child that went overboard on a Disney cruise and a 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.360 woman who got stuck in a clothing donation box. And 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.560 then we're going to get into one of the most 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.360 disturbed stories that we've ever heard about children that plan 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.399 on killing their classmate. Yes, that is true, you heard 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.200 me correctly. And then we'll finish the episode with a 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.480 maggot infested body at a funeral home. So let's get 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.560 started with this shocking Brian Coburger news that came kind 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:18.600 of out of nowhere. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.200 I was in the middle of cooking dinner last night 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.200 and I just opened Instagram really quick while I was 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.200 waiting for something to finish off, and then I see 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.039 Cheryl made this post and was like, I've confirmed with 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.160 a family member that Coburger has made a plea deal. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.679 And I was like, there's just no way, Like, there's 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.080 just absolutely no ways too, And I just start seeing 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.120 it filling and filling and filling in on my social 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.880 media and then I turn on the news and it's 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.840 on there. I cannot believe he has made a plea deal. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.840 You know what I'm thinking happened. And obviously, like I 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.640 have no idea what happens in the system as far 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:55.040 as trying cases like this and stuff, but I think 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.360 that he's just been throwing all this stuff out and 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.680 trying to see if it would stick. One of them 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.960 being like, oh, I'm autistic, all of it. I got 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.280 to diagnose with autism this year, Like you can't put 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.120 me to the death penalty and all this stuff, and 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.920 the judge kept on throwing away all of this stuff, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.600 and the most recent one that it seems got thrown 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.760 out was that he was trying to say that there 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.160 were other people involved with this murder, and the judge 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.000 was like, yeah, no, we're not hearing any of that 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.960 stuff because that's whatever reason they said, they're just not 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.760 hearing it. And that could have been like his final 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.639 thing that he was trying to throw out and see 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.560 if he could get a bite on it, and since 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.720 there was no way to get out of it, this 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.600 is what he has to do in order to save 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:41.320 his own life. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.919 I'm not surprised he took the plea deal. I'm surprised 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.000 they offered it to him because in my mind, they 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.320 had a pretty solid case, So why wouldn't you try 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.800 to go forward with it. Was it tax reasons, like 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.000 they didn't want to spend the money on it. Was 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.120 it to spare the family of not having to hear 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.760 the horrific details. Are we ever going to get those 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.680 ds with him making this deal. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.480 I'm sure, But obviously there's going to be a point 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.200 where the gag order is lifted. So the family especially 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.399 has a lot of the details. I don't know if 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.160 they had access to the autopsy report. I'm sure they are, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.359 but everybody has been had to keep quiet with all 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.040 of the details of this case, so a lot of 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.520 it is public information. I'm sure that a lot of 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.520 it is going to get released and where there's going 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.480 to be thousands of episodes talking about it. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.160 You know, On one hand, I look. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.560 At it like people who usually get to death penalty, 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.480 most of them don't even get put to death. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.120 There's all of these appeals. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.480 It costs so much money, and that could really drag 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.760 on for the family as well. Whereas I feel like, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.720 right now they're not happy with this. But if it's 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.440 if if he pleads tomorrow, which he's supposed to plead guilty, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.320 which he has to at this point, right because even 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.640 though he said he was going to technical he doesn't 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.400 have to, but like, why would he do that? 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.080 Well, I think also tomorrow when they go to the 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.160 hearing that the judge has to approve it, So I 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.560 guess there is a possibility that the judge cannot approve 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.720 it correct and then what happens then? Does it still 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:14.360 go forward? 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.080 Well, I'm sure that that's all ironed out already before 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.599 they released this, because now he has basically told the 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.400 world that he's guilty. So if he pulls out of 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.640 it or gets pulled out of it for any reason, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.280 then how are they going to find a jury when 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.679 now they've told the whole world that he is guilty 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.080 of doing this. It's just it, like we all know 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.479 he's guilty, like I've said this from day one, just 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.400 based on his eyes, like he's one hundred percent guilty. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.839 But I do I feel bad for the family. But 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.680 at the same time, like I know that they were saying, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.520 we already know the gruesome details. They possibly have already 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.799 read the autopsy reports. I'm telling you right now, based 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.480 upon the little that I know about it, that you 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.040 never want to hear about your family men, especially your 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.960 child being butchered alive, which is what happened in these cases. 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.320 But there's a big difference between reading about the injuries 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.440 and then seeing what it looks like in photographs. Obviously, 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.600 in a lot of court cases, the family leaves the 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.919 room when they show the autopsy pictures. I think that 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.440 just showing the autopsy pictures alone in court to all 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.000 of the jurors would make him guilty if there was 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.400 enough evidence to back that he was the one that 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.800 did it. Because I'm telling you that it is so gruesome. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.360 If you remember from the crime scene photos that there 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.359 was blood dripping outside of the house, which means to 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.760 me that there was such a significant amount of blood. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.320 I mean, think about all of the layers of a 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.440 house for it to leak through and be visible like that. No, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.520 it's just you have you have dry wall, insulation, the 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.080 outer wall, the siding, all. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:53.400 Of this stuff. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:58.279 It's just it was a gruesome seat and the family 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.479 for sure does not need to see any of that 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.120 pictures getting leaked perhaps, I mean, like right now, at 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.760 least if he goes tomorrow and says I'm guilty and 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.080 promises that there's no appeals and he's in jail forever, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.280 the family can heal and move on from this instead 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.760 of it just getting brought up, Like look at what 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:23.479 Lacy Peterson's mom is going through with. First he was 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.920 given the death penalty, then they took it away, then 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.560 he was supposed to be life in prison, and now 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.400 they're trying to fight that her daughter died such a 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.640 long time ago, and she's still she's an old woman 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.880 and still dealing with this every single day instead of 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.440 trying to move on with what life she's got left. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.760 No, I understand that. I guess there was also confusion 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.599 with how it was brought up to the family. So 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.320 when I was watching News Nation last night, one of 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.440 the reporters was saying that the family was consulted really 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.120 shortly beforehand about it and everybody was against it, but 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.080 it wasn't necessarily a consultation, more of a heads up 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.800 that it was already going down. I think it first 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.960 came up that it was a possibility on Friday, and 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.960 then by Sunday night they got word that it was happening, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.680 so they barely had time to process it. So I mean, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.600 by the time this episode airs, this news hasn't even 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.600 been out for twenty four hours. So I'm sure that 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.720 there's a lot more that's going to go down with this, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.240 and maybe we'll find out the reason. Maybe the prosecution 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.280 wasn't one hundred percent certain that they were going to 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.440 be able to nail it. I just don't know. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:37.440 But ultimately, would you want to take the risk of 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:42.600 him getting off no, I because that would be worse 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:43.320 for the family. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.440 Well, I think it's a lot for them to process 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.360 because in everybody's mind it was such a solid case. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.640 But maybe they just came across some discovery that could 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.160 have put reasonable doubt in the jurors minds and they 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.000 were like, you know what, let's do this because at 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.720 least we'll get him. I don't really know what went 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.120 on behind the scenes right now. Well, what's also really interesting, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.240 and we've talked about this on this show, is that 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.160 there's this whole entire population that believes that he's innocent, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.040 including someone who listens to our show and left the 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.200 comment on one of our YouTube videos saying we were assholes 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.280 for saying that this guy is guilty. Right, So that 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:23.720 might also worry prosecutors as well, because every normal person 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.680 that's looking at this case is just like, come on, like, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.200 how many things do you have to say that are 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.600 blatantly obvious? I personally didn't need any of those details 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.440 because I told you he has creepy eyes. But besides that, 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.800 there's still a population of people, a big population of 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.480 people online that just don't believe it, and that has 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.679 to scare prosecutors for sure. Well, of course, I mean, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.240 any single thing on the Internet, there's gonna be one 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.240 side or the other. There's nothing in the world that 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.400 all people are gonna agree on. There's even people like 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.040 we would think that with something horrific like pedophilia or rape, 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.439 but there are people that are into that stuff. So 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.480 it's unfortunate but this is the world we live in today. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.000 This is not gonna sound right the way I'm saying it, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.080 But I was looking forward to watching the trial in 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:14.200 the sense of seeing how they catch a person seeing 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.520 all the DNA, seeing all the evidence that led them 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.280 to him, what they found at the crime scene. I 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.719 hope we still get that from an investigator perspective, how 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.000 that all went down in the documents. I'm sure we 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.559 will at some point, because you're saying the gag order 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.000 is gonna have to be lifted at some point. Is 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.000 that going to be like on Wednesday? Or are we gonna 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.760 be scrambling next week to try to write this dis 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:34.840 section for everybody? 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.800 See, this is what pisses me off, though, And this 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:39.320 is why the family's pissed off. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.079 It's Brian Coburger is. 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.080 Still in control of their children and still in control 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.280 of them. Yes, he's in control of all of it. 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:55.040 And that's why the family feels like, I mean, I 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.920 can't imagine with my children like they're mine. They're my children, right, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:05.280 I can't imagine someone else making decisions in because for them, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.600 not me. And it's a feeling of a loss of 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.720 control for the parents. But it's also a feeling of 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.680 giving up that control to the person that killed them. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.280 They want all of this to come out and in 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.560 hopes that maybe this will prevent this from ever happening again. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.440 You know, so I feel I just feel terrible for 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.560 them not to mention the fact that no one even 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.640 called them and told them they got an email with 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.280 a letter attached. Who knows what the letter attached is 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.640 because I was hearing that he wrote a letter to 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.760 the families or something like that, So who knows what 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:39.360 that says. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.560 No freaking way should they send that to them. That 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.040 is not right. He's on an email on a Sunday night, 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.520 like he should not. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.880 Have any access to talk to them directly. Yeah, and 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.720 no matter how, one hundred percent sure of that. But 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.920 what I'm saying is that, like it's Sunday night, you're 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.600 sitting in your house, you're watching TV. I mean, you 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.240 have to move on, so you're maybe you're having dinner, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.000 you're sitting there having ice cream, not that you're like 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.079 life is ever the same, and then all of a 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.839 sudden you get this email out of the blue that's 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.439 just like, oh, this is happening, and it's happening on 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.240 July second, and you have to be there. And you 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.520 have to remember, like some of these families don't live 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.880 around there. They have to they have other kids they 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.560 have to deal with, they have to travel, they have 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.920 to get places and just and they have to be there. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:21.719 I mean, this is this is a big deal. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.480 The families have to be there, and it like not 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.840 to even have any respect to give them at least 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:31.319 a week's notice, like to make arrangements. It's just and 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.439 not to mention all the other times that they had 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.720 to go there for all of this stuff. The whole 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.520 thing's kind of been a circus. One messed up thing 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.640 that I learned today is that after all this, if 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.920 he does plead guilty and everything's settled, his lawyer, who's 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.160 a public defender who we're paying for with our tax dollars, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.600 is going to make almost a million dollars off of 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:51.160 this case. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.640 Oh, I'm sure they're going to write a book. I'm 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:54.319 sure they're going to. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.160 She's going to write a book. I mean, I don't 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.920 know what the plea deal is going to involve. What 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.880 he could talk about, because he's he's like the ultimate 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.280 he's trying to make himself be like the ultimate crime 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.800 scene investigator forensic person, right, and he's going to be 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.520 allowed to do this in jail now that he's going 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.680 to be able to talk about being not only being 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.760 a person that's in a PhD program and has degrees 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.640 in criminology, but from the perspective of a person that 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:24.480 committed the crime as well. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.160 And that shit sells and I don't know, yeah, but 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.520 he's not. He legally cannot make money off of any. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.920 Care It's not the money. It's not the money, it's 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.800 the fame. It's the infamy. It's like he wants to 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.600 be the next BTK or he wants to be the 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.560 next Ted Bundy, like the guy that everybody talks about, 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.800 and he certainly is going to get that over the 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:45.760 course of his life. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.960 I don't necessarily have a problem with his attorney writing 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.720 books and doing interviews off of it, because, I mean, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.240 she didn't choose this case. She's a public defender. Everybody 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.240 has a right to an attorney. It's not like she 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.679 sought him out. I'm sure she was scared out of 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.160 her mind having to deal with that crazy eye dude 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.080 like every day. Like and then you have to think 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.160 people can't see that she's a public defender and that 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.199 this case was assigned to her. And I'm sure she's 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.600 getting death threats every single day. It's not like she's 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.719 gonna go on to live this amazingly baller life. She's 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.360 probably gonna live in fear forever. What if he breaks 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.080 out or something it goes after. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.880 He's definitely not breaking out. But you know what's crazy? 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.840 Last night when I posted this on my Instagram stories 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.000 and just was putting pictures of his crazy eyes, I like, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.880 I get the pictures off the news, and I put 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.719 them and they were on my phone and I have 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.640 to delete them because he scares the shit out of me. Well, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.240 and imagine her like having to visit him. And I 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:46.320 know oftentimes the defense lawyers know what happened because they'll 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.600 say to their client, you need to tell me what happened, 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.120 and I'm going to try to get you out of it. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.520 Basically, so he can't. She can't say what he told 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.080 her attorney client privilege. So what does that Does that 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.400 end after it's all done? No, I don't think so. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.400 I think any thing he told her was in complete confidence, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.120 so she could probably talk about the tactic she was 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.160 gonna go forward and like everything that's happened so far 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.800 in the process. But I don't think legally she can 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.440 say what he told her in private. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.640 I don't really know about that, but all right, so 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.319 let's we'll get back. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.439 To this when we hear more stuff. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:25.480 Obviously it's it's only what twelve hours later, barely bare barely, right, 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.880 so so hopefully we'll get more information about that. But 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.680 we just wanted to talk about it because we've been 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.600 talking about that case for years here in the Groceryman 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.720 on mother nos death. All right, So another big story 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.960 that happened this week was you know, you guys know 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.640 that we've been talking about this dreaded cruise that we 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.240 had to go on with with our family and it 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.080 was okay, it wasn't it wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.880 It was just like the whole recap. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:57.240 Yeah, we had the recast episode, but yeah, so then 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.720 we so so now we feel like we're experts on 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.440 crew ships because we've actually been on one. And to 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:07.360 hear this story about a kid that accidentally went overboard 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.080 and the dad jumping in after the kid on a 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.400 Disney cruise is outrageous. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.440 Do you find that it's bizarre that all these cruise 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.800 stories are pouring in just as we went on. I 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.200 feel like we've never had this many so close together. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.360 It was kind of like all the airplane stuff clustered together. Yeah, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.120 it really is topic. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.440 I'm just like, all right, we heard about the poop 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.920 cruise last week, and then we hear about this, and 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.920 there's been other stories that are coming out too. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:32.360 It's just. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.200 Ironic, but we love to talk about it, so let's talk. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.840 Let's tell what happened with this Disney cruise. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.120 So over the weekend on a Disney cruise, passengers were 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.680 just going about the boat when they heard the emergency 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.920 code mister mob, which means man overboard. So it turns 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.480 out that a child fell off of deck four and 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.400 that her father jumped in right after her. So at 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.000 first it wasn't really clear what happened and how she 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.040 fell first. I guess I'll get into they were rescued 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.720 very quickly, and we'll talk about the statistics with that 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.480 and everything in a little bit, But I guess at 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.760 first it was really unclear how she fell in. And 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.200 then NBC was reporting that some people saw the child 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.920 on a railing sitting on it so the dad could 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.960 take a photo of her, and then that's how she 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.640 went over the edge, which I think everybody could agree 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.480 is not a good idea, but. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.160 It's totally possible, yes, on the cruise ship. And we 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.600 have the picture we posted on Instagram of our whole family. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:30.320 We were in. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.680 Front of a similar thing that we could have sat 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.920 a child up on and said take a picture. So 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.960 this is just like that a dad being a dad 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.640 and not doing a safe practice. But not that anybody 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.160 deserves this, but clearly this is not a good idea ever, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.720 especially like do you remember the bar was like really 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.080 moist all the time because of the humidity in the air. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.560 It was like wet and slippery. Well, we're writing up 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.160 cruise injuries and deaths for the Grosser Room this week 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.840 and next week, and when I started writing up the 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.760 man overboard section, I was going to put a picture 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.520 of Lubert versus you next to the rail wing to 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.760 show a child, you know, couldn't just accidentally tip over. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.919 But you're a tall person. How tall are you? Like 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.479 five ten? You can just have like five to eight 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.480 five nine, Yeah, you could just flip right over. I mean, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.640 I'm a surety. So I don't think I buy possibility 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.119 of it, but I could also see it happening. And 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.639 I said on last episode, I was extremely critical of 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.640 falling off the boats, but now I see how it's 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.520 pretty easy, especially well, not in this case, but I 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.000 could see in other cases when alcohol is involved in 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.159 your drug and you're not paying attention, or a you know, 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.240 a kid just trying to take a cool picture and 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:41.080 she just slipped. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.800 Yeah, it's just and obviously it's a Disney cruise, so 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.080 it's geared towards parents and children, and every parent is 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.119 just like got to know what happened and how this happened. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.840 But it doesn't seem at this time that it was 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.239 a problem with the boat itself. It's just more you like, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.640 we were talking all about the ship and just how 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.080 easily it is for people to get over the other 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.840 side of the bars, and you just have to you 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.200 can't watch the whole boat at all times, and you 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.399 just have to assume that people are not going to 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.960 do dumb shit, and people do dumb shit, and this 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.320 is a dumb thing. And luckily, like what a story 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:24.480 to tell your family growing up after surviving something like this. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.520 I was showing Gabe the video. 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:27.880 Right. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.520 So, my husband is he's on the New Jersey Task 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.080 Force and he does swift water training because he goes 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.840 to all of these hurricanes and rescues people in water situations. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.160 Not the ocean ever, but similar with like North Carolina 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.400 and Ashville and just very fast, rapid rising waters. And 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.760 he was just looking at the condition of the water 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.080 and the boat, how it was rocking, and he's like, 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.560 it is actually amazing that this father was able to 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:02.000 tread this water for twenty minutes with a child. Like 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.960 he's just because Gabees just like I obviously would have 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.080 jumped in too. I wouldn't even have thought twice about it. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.640 But he's just like, that's not easy to do and 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.480 it's amazing that they got to them with only twenty minutes, 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.240 but that he was able to do it because it's 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.320 hard to do with yourself because you tie her out, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.920 But think about trying to hold a child up as well. 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.440 That doesn't have the strength to do that. No, And 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.560 in the post next week, I'm going to talk about 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.679 this guy who fell in the Gulf and they he 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.080 was treading water for twenty hours and survived. They got 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.320 him well I'll get more into that, but surviving man 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:39.119 overboard is not likely in most cases. So there's this 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.760 data from two thousand and nine to twenty nineteen from 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.520 Cruise Lines International Association where they reported that there was 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.880 two hundred and twelve cases of people falling overboard, which 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.800 is about nineteen incidents per year. So of those two 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.800