Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Well, there has been
Speaker 1: a lot of shocking news story since our last episode,
Speaker 1: so we are going to get into some of those today.
Speaker 1: Of course, we're on Diddy Verdict Watch, so whenever that
Speaker 1: comes out, we'll be talking about it, but not on
Speaker 1: today's episode because really nothing is happening yet. We're going
Speaker 1: to get into the plea deal with Brian Coburger that
Speaker 1: he is apparently taking this week on his homicide conviction,
Speaker 1: and we also have a couple freak accidents involving a
Speaker 1: child that went overboard on a Disney cruise and a
Speaker 1: woman who got stuck in a clothing donation box. And
Speaker 1: then we're going to get into one of the most
Speaker 1: disturbed stories that we've ever heard about children that plan
Speaker 1: on killing their classmate. Yes, that is true, you heard
Speaker 1: me correctly. And then we'll finish the episode with a
Speaker 1: maggot infested body at a funeral home. So let's get
Speaker 1: started with this shocking Brian Coburger news that came kind
Speaker 1: of out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: I was in the middle of cooking dinner last night
Speaker 2: and I just opened Instagram really quick while I was
Speaker 2: waiting for something to finish off, and then I see
Speaker 2: Cheryl made this post and was like, I've confirmed with
Speaker 2: a family member that Coburger has made a plea deal.
Speaker 2: And I was like, there's just no way, Like, there's
Speaker 2: just absolutely no ways too, And I just start seeing
Speaker 2: it filling and filling and filling in on my social
Speaker 2: media and then I turn on the news and it's
Speaker 2: on there. I cannot believe he has made a plea deal.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm thinking happened. And obviously, like I
Speaker 1: have no idea what happens in the system as far
Speaker 1: as trying cases like this and stuff, but I think
Speaker 1: that he's just been throwing all this stuff out and
Speaker 1: trying to see if it would stick. One of them
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I'm autistic, all of it. I got
Speaker 1: to diagnose with autism this year, Like you can't put
Speaker 1: me to the death penalty and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: the judge kept on throwing away all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and the most recent one that it seems got thrown
Speaker 1: out was that he was trying to say that there
Speaker 1: were other people involved with this murder, and the judge
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, no, we're not hearing any of that
Speaker 1: stuff because that's whatever reason they said, they're just not
Speaker 1: hearing it. And that could have been like his final
Speaker 1: thing that he was trying to throw out and see
Speaker 1: if he could get a bite on it, and since
Speaker 1: there was no way to get out of it, this
Speaker 1: is what he has to do in order to save
Speaker 1: his own life.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised he took the plea deal. I'm surprised
Speaker 2: they offered it to him because in my mind, they
Speaker 2: had a pretty solid case, So why wouldn't you try
Speaker 2: to go forward with it. Was it tax reasons, like
Speaker 2: they didn't want to spend the money on it. Was
Speaker 2: it to spare the family of not having to hear
Speaker 2: the horrific details. Are we ever going to get those
Speaker 2: ds with him making this deal.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, But obviously there's going to be a point
Speaker 1: where the gag order is lifted. So the family especially
Speaker 1: has a lot of the details. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they had access to the autopsy report. I'm sure they are,
Speaker 1: but everybody has been had to keep quiet with all
Speaker 1: of the details of this case, so a lot of
Speaker 1: it is public information. I'm sure that a lot of
Speaker 1: it is going to get released and where there's going
Speaker 1: to be thousands of episodes talking about it.
Speaker 2: You know, On one hand, I look.
Speaker 1: At it like people who usually get to death penalty,
Speaker 1: most of them don't even get put to death.
Speaker 2: There's all of these appeals.
Speaker 1: It costs so much money, and that could really drag
Speaker 1: on for the family as well. Whereas I feel like,
Speaker 1: right now they're not happy with this. But if it's
Speaker 1: if if he pleads tomorrow, which he's supposed to plead guilty,
Speaker 1: which he has to at this point, right because even
Speaker 1: though he said he was going to technical he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to, but like, why would he do that?
Speaker 2: Well, I think also tomorrow when they go to the
Speaker 2: hearing that the judge has to approve it, So I
Speaker 2: guess there is a possibility that the judge cannot approve
Speaker 2: it correct and then what happens then? Does it still
Speaker 2: go forward?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that that's all ironed out already before
Speaker 1: they released this, because now he has basically told the
Speaker 1: world that he's guilty. So if he pulls out of
Speaker 1: it or gets pulled out of it for any reason,
Speaker 1: then how are they going to find a jury when
Speaker 1: now they've told the whole world that he is guilty
Speaker 1: of doing this. It's just it, like we all know
Speaker 1: he's guilty, like I've said this from day one, just
Speaker 1: based on his eyes, like he's one hundred percent guilty.
Speaker 1: But I do I feel bad for the family. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, like I know that they were saying,
Speaker 1: we already know the gruesome details. They possibly have already
Speaker 1: read the autopsy reports. I'm telling you right now, based
Speaker 1: upon the little that I know about it, that you
Speaker 1: never want to hear about your family men, especially your
Speaker 1: child being butchered alive, which is what happened in these cases.
Speaker 1: But there's a big difference between reading about the injuries
Speaker 1: and then seeing what it looks like in photographs. Obviously,
Speaker 1: in a lot of court cases, the family leaves the
Speaker 1: room when they show the autopsy pictures. I think that
Speaker 1: just showing the autopsy pictures alone in court to all
Speaker 1: of the jurors would make him guilty if there was
Speaker 1: enough evidence to back that he was the one that
Speaker 1: did it. Because I'm telling you that it is so gruesome.
Speaker 1: If you remember from the crime scene photos that there
Speaker 1: was blood dripping outside of the house, which means to
Speaker 1: me that there was such a significant amount of blood.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about all of the layers of a
Speaker 1: house for it to leak through and be visible like that. No,
Speaker 1: it's just you have you have dry wall, insulation, the
Speaker 1: outer wall, the siding, all.
Speaker 2: Of this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just it was a gruesome seat and the family
Speaker 1: for sure does not need to see any of that
Speaker 1: pictures getting leaked perhaps, I mean, like right now, at
Speaker 1: least if he goes tomorrow and says I'm guilty and
Speaker 1: promises that there's no appeals and he's in jail forever,
Speaker 1: the family can heal and move on from this instead
Speaker 1: of it just getting brought up, Like look at what
Speaker 1: Lacy Peterson's mom is going through with. First he was
Speaker 1: given the death penalty, then they took it away, then
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be life in prison, and now
Speaker 1: they're trying to fight that her daughter died such a
Speaker 1: long time ago, and she's still she's an old woman
Speaker 1: and still dealing with this every single day instead of
Speaker 1: trying to move on with what life she's got left.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that. I guess there was also confusion
Speaker 2: with how it was brought up to the family. So
Speaker 2: when I was watching News Nation last night, one of
Speaker 2: the reporters was saying that the family was consulted really
Speaker 2: shortly beforehand about it and everybody was against it, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily a consultation, more of a heads up
Speaker 2: that it was already going down. I think it first
Speaker 2: came up that it was a possibility on Friday, and
Speaker 2: then by Sunday night they got word that it was happening,
Speaker 2: so they barely had time to process it. So I mean,
Speaker 2: by the time this episode airs, this news hasn't even
Speaker 2: been out for twenty four hours. So I'm sure that
Speaker 2: there's a lot more that's going to go down with this,
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll find out the reason. Maybe the prosecution
Speaker 2: wasn't one hundred percent certain that they were going to
Speaker 2: be able to nail it. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, would you want to take the risk of
Speaker 1: him getting off no, I because that would be worse
Speaker 1: for the family.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a lot for them to process
Speaker 2: because in everybody's mind it was such a solid case.
Speaker 2: But maybe they just came across some discovery that could
Speaker 2: have put reasonable doubt in the jurors minds and they
Speaker 2: were like, you know what, let's do this because at
Speaker 2: least we'll get him. I don't really know what went
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes right now. Well, what's also really interesting,
Speaker 2: and we've talked about this on this show, is that
Speaker 2: there's this whole entire population that believes that he's innocent,
Speaker 2: including someone who listens to our show and left the
Speaker 2: comment on one of our YouTube videos saying we were assholes
Speaker 2: for saying that this guy is guilty. Right, So that
Speaker 2: might also worry prosecutors as well, because every normal person
Speaker 2: that's looking at this case is just like, come on, like,
Speaker 2: how many things do you have to say that are
Speaker 2: blatantly obvious? I personally didn't need any of those details
Speaker 2: because I told you he has creepy eyes. But besides that,
Speaker 2: there's still a population of people, a big population of
Speaker 2: people online that just don't believe it, and that has
Speaker 2: to scare prosecutors for sure. Well, of course, I mean,
Speaker 2: any single thing on the Internet, there's gonna be one
Speaker 2: side or the other. There's nothing in the world that
Speaker 2: all people are gonna agree on. There's even people like
Speaker 2: we would think that with something horrific like pedophilia or rape,
Speaker 2: but there are people that are into that stuff. So
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate but this is the world we live in today.
Speaker 2: This is not gonna sound right the way I'm saying it,
Speaker 2: But I was looking forward to watching the trial in
Speaker 2: the sense of seeing how they catch a person seeing
Speaker 2: all the DNA, seeing all the evidence that led them
Speaker 2: to him, what they found at the crime scene. I
Speaker 2: hope we still get that from an investigator perspective, how
Speaker 2: that all went down in the documents. I'm sure we
Speaker 2: will at some point, because you're saying the gag order
Speaker 2: is gonna have to be lifted at some point. Is
Speaker 2: that going to be like on Wednesday? Or are we gonna
Speaker 2: be scrambling next week to try to write this dis
Speaker 2: section for everybody?
Speaker 1: See, this is what pisses me off, though, And this
Speaker 1: is why the family's pissed off.
Speaker 2: It's Brian Coburger is.
Speaker 1: Still in control of their children and still in control
Speaker 1: of them. Yes, he's in control of all of it.
Speaker 1: And that's why the family feels like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine with my children like they're mine. They're my children, right,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine someone else making decisions in because for them,
Speaker 1: not me. And it's a feeling of a loss of
Speaker 1: control for the parents. But it's also a feeling of
Speaker 1: giving up that control to the person that killed them.
Speaker 1: They want all of this to come out and in
Speaker 1: hopes that maybe this will prevent this from ever happening again.
Speaker 1: You know, so I feel I just feel terrible for
Speaker 1: them not to mention the fact that no one even
Speaker 1: called them and told them they got an email with
Speaker 1: a letter attached. Who knows what the letter attached is
Speaker 1: because I was hearing that he wrote a letter to
Speaker 1: the families or something like that, So who knows what
Speaker 1: that says.
Speaker 2: No freaking way should they send that to them. That
Speaker 2: is not right. He's on an email on a Sunday night,
Speaker 2: like he should not.
Speaker 1: Have any access to talk to them directly. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: no matter how, one hundred percent sure of that. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that, like it's Sunday night, you're
Speaker 1: sitting in your house, you're watching TV. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to move on, so you're maybe you're having dinner,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there having ice cream, not that you're like
Speaker 1: life is ever the same, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you get this email out of the blue that's
Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is happening, and it's happening on
Speaker 1: July second, and you have to be there. And you
Speaker 1: have to remember, like some of these families don't live
Speaker 1: around there. They have to they have other kids they
Speaker 1: have to deal with, they have to travel, they have
Speaker 1: to get places and just and they have to be there.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is a big deal.
Speaker 1: The families have to be there, and it like not
Speaker 1: to even have any respect to give them at least
Speaker 1: a week's notice, like to make arrangements. It's just and
Speaker 1: not to mention all the other times that they had
Speaker 1: to go there for all of this stuff. The whole
Speaker 1: thing's kind of been a circus. One messed up thing
Speaker 1: that I learned today is that after all this, if
Speaker 1: he does plead guilty and everything's settled, his lawyer, who's
Speaker 1: a public defender who we're paying for with our tax dollars,
Speaker 1: is going to make almost a million dollars off of
Speaker 1: this case.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they're going to write a book. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they're going to.
Speaker 1: She's going to write a book. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the plea deal is going to involve. What
Speaker 1: he could talk about, because he's he's like the ultimate
Speaker 1: he's trying to make himself be like the ultimate crime
Speaker 1: scene investigator forensic person, right, and he's going to be
Speaker 1: allowed to do this in jail now that he's going
Speaker 1: to be able to talk about being not only being
Speaker 1: a person that's in a PhD program and has degrees
Speaker 1: in criminology, but from the perspective of a person that
Speaker 1: committed the crime as well.
Speaker 2: And that shit sells and I don't know, yeah, but
Speaker 2: he's not. He legally cannot make money off of any.
Speaker 1: Care It's not the money. It's not the money, it's
Speaker 1: the fame. It's the infamy. It's like he wants to
Speaker 1: be the next BTK or he wants to be the
Speaker 1: next Ted Bundy, like the guy that everybody talks about,
Speaker 1: and he certainly is going to get that over the
Speaker 1: course of his life.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily have a problem with his attorney writing
Speaker 2: books and doing interviews off of it, because, I mean,
Speaker 2: she didn't choose this case. She's a public defender. Everybody
Speaker 2: has a right to an attorney. It's not like she
Speaker 2: sought him out. I'm sure she was scared out of
Speaker 2: her mind having to deal with that crazy eye dude
Speaker 2: like every day. Like and then you have to think
Speaker 2: people can't see that she's a public defender and that
Speaker 2: this case was assigned to her. And I'm sure she's
Speaker 2: getting death threats every single day. It's not like she's
Speaker 2: gonna go on to live this amazingly baller life. She's
Speaker 2: probably gonna live in fear forever. What if he breaks
Speaker 2: out or something it goes after.
Speaker 1: He's definitely not breaking out. But you know what's crazy?
Speaker 1: Last night when I posted this on my Instagram stories
Speaker 1: and just was putting pictures of his crazy eyes, I like,
Speaker 1: I get the pictures off the news, and I put
Speaker 1: them and they were on my phone and I have
Speaker 1: to delete them because he scares the shit out of me. Well,
Speaker 1: and imagine her like having to visit him. And I
Speaker 1: know oftentimes the defense lawyers know what happened because they'll
Speaker 1: say to their client, you need to tell me what happened,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to try to get you out of it.
Speaker 2: Basically, so he can't. She can't say what he told
Speaker 2: her attorney client privilege. So what does that Does that
Speaker 2: end after it's all done? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think any thing he told her was in complete confidence,
Speaker 2: so she could probably talk about the tactic she was
Speaker 2: gonna go forward and like everything that's happened so far
Speaker 2: in the process. But I don't think legally she can
Speaker 2: say what he told her in private.
Speaker 1: I don't really know about that, but all right, so
Speaker 1: let's we'll get back.
Speaker 2: To this when we hear more stuff.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's it's only what twelve hours later, barely bare barely, right,
Speaker 1: so so hopefully we'll get more information about that. But
Speaker 1: we just wanted to talk about it because we've been
Speaker 1: talking about that case for years here in the Groceryman
Speaker 1: on mother nos death. All right, So another big story
Speaker 1: that happened this week was you know, you guys know
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about this dreaded cruise that we
Speaker 1: had to go on with with our family and it
Speaker 1: was okay, it wasn't it wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible.
Speaker 2: It was just like the whole recap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had the recast episode, but yeah, so then
Speaker 1: we so so now we feel like we're experts on
Speaker 1: crew ships because we've actually been on one. And to
Speaker 1: hear this story about a kid that accidentally went overboard
Speaker 1: and the dad jumping in after the kid on a
Speaker 1: Disney cruise is outrageous.
Speaker 2: Do you find that it's bizarre that all these cruise
Speaker 2: stories are pouring in just as we went on. I
Speaker 2: feel like we've never had this many so close together.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like all the airplane stuff clustered together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really is topic.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, all right, we heard about the poop
Speaker 1: cruise last week, and then we hear about this, and
Speaker 1: there's been other stories that are coming out too.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 1: Ironic, but we love to talk about it, so let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's tell what happened with this Disney cruise.
Speaker 2: So over the weekend on a Disney cruise, passengers were
Speaker 2: just going about the boat when they heard the emergency
Speaker 2: code mister mob, which means man overboard. So it turns
Speaker 2: out that a child fell off of deck four and
Speaker 2: that her father jumped in right after her. So at
Speaker 2: first it wasn't really clear what happened and how she
Speaker 2: fell first. I guess I'll get into they were rescued
Speaker 2: very quickly, and we'll talk about the statistics with that
Speaker 2: and everything in a little bit, But I guess at
Speaker 2: first it was really unclear how she fell in. And
Speaker 2: then NBC was reporting that some people saw the child
Speaker 2: on a railing sitting on it so the dad could
Speaker 2: take a photo of her, and then that's how she
Speaker 2: went over the edge, which I think everybody could agree
Speaker 2: is not a good idea, but.
Speaker 1: It's totally possible, yes, on the cruise ship. And we
Speaker 1: have the picture we posted on Instagram of our whole family.
Speaker 2: We were in.
Speaker 1: Front of a similar thing that we could have sat
Speaker 1: a child up on and said take a picture. So
Speaker 1: this is just like that a dad being a dad
Speaker 1: and not doing a safe practice. But not that anybody
Speaker 1: deserves this, but clearly this is not a good idea ever,
Speaker 1: especially like do you remember the bar was like really
Speaker 1: moist all the time because of the humidity in the air.
Speaker 2: It was like wet and slippery. Well, we're writing up
Speaker 2: cruise injuries and deaths for the Grosser Room this week
Speaker 2: and next week, and when I started writing up the
Speaker 2: man overboard section, I was going to put a picture
Speaker 2: of Lubert versus you next to the rail wing to
Speaker 2: show a child, you know, couldn't just accidentally tip over.
Speaker 2: But you're a tall person. How tall are you? Like
Speaker 2: five ten? You can just have like five to eight
Speaker 2: five nine, Yeah, you could just flip right over. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm a surety. So I don't think I buy possibility
Speaker 2: of it, but I could also see it happening. And
Speaker 2: I said on last episode, I was extremely critical of
Speaker 2: falling off the boats, but now I see how it's
Speaker 2: pretty easy, especially well, not in this case, but I
Speaker 2: could see in other cases when alcohol is involved in
Speaker 2: your drug and you're not paying attention, or a you know,
Speaker 2: a kid just trying to take a cool picture and
Speaker 2: she just slipped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just and obviously it's a Disney cruise, so
Speaker 1: it's geared towards parents and children, and every parent is
Speaker 1: just like got to know what happened and how this happened.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem at this time that it was
Speaker 1: a problem with the boat itself. It's just more you like,
Speaker 1: we were talking all about the ship and just how
Speaker 1: easily it is for people to get over the other
Speaker 1: side of the bars, and you just have to you
Speaker 1: can't watch the whole boat at all times, and you
Speaker 1: just have to assume that people are not going to
Speaker 1: do dumb shit, and people do dumb shit, and this
Speaker 1: is a dumb thing. And luckily, like what a story
Speaker 1: to tell your family growing up after surviving something like this.
Speaker 1: I was showing Gabe the video.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, my husband is he's on the New Jersey Task
Speaker 1: Force and he does swift water training because he goes
Speaker 1: to all of these hurricanes and rescues people in water situations.
Speaker 1: Not the ocean ever, but similar with like North Carolina
Speaker 1: and Ashville and just very fast, rapid rising waters. And
Speaker 1: he was just looking at the condition of the water
Speaker 1: and the boat, how it was rocking, and he's like,
Speaker 1: it is actually amazing that this father was able to
Speaker 1: tread this water for twenty minutes with a child. Like
Speaker 1: he's just because Gabees just like I obviously would have
Speaker 1: jumped in too. I wouldn't even have thought twice about it.
Speaker 1: But he's just like, that's not easy to do and
Speaker 1: it's amazing that they got to them with only twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: but that he was able to do it because it's
Speaker 1: hard to do with yourself because you tie her out,
Speaker 1: But think about trying to hold a child up as well.
Speaker 2: That doesn't have the strength to do that. No, And
Speaker 2: in the post next week, I'm going to talk about
Speaker 2: this guy who fell in the Gulf and they he
Speaker 2: was treading water for twenty hours and survived. They got
Speaker 2: him well I'll get more into that, but surviving man
Speaker 2: overboard is not likely in most cases. So there's this
Speaker 2: data from two thousand and nine to twenty nineteen from
Speaker 2: Cruise Lines International Association where they reported that there was
Speaker 2: two hundred and twelve cases of people falling overboard, which
Speaker 2: is about nineteen incidents per year. So of those two
Speaker 2: hundred and twelve people, only forty eight people survived, which
Speaker 2: is not a lot, so there's way less. It's way
Speaker 2: less than half, so it's not good. Yeah, they're extremely
Speaker 2: lucky that they survived. I mean, the boat stopped immediately.
Speaker 2: What they tell you to do if they see you
Speaker 2: is that or if you see somebody overboard, is you
Speaker 2: need to immediately alert staff. If you see them and
Speaker 2: you're near one of the life buoys that's on the boat,
Speaker 2: throw it overboard because anything that could help them float
Speaker 2: is helpful. And then they're gonnak. The boat's gonna alert
Speaker 2: the coast guard. The boat's gonna stop and try to
Speaker 2: deploy rescue boats, and then, depending on the situation, they're
Speaker 2: gonna look with the coast guard or they can in
Speaker 2: this case get the people with their own rescue boat
Speaker 2: very quickly, and then they do it until they either
Speaker 2: find the person or they determine their lost So it's
Speaker 2: kind of nuts, it is.
Speaker 1: And and a lot of the witnesses on the boat too,
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're in the ocean, it's just such
Speaker 1: a it's such an amazing thing to just see how
Speaker 1: it just goes on forever and it's just so large,
Speaker 1: and it's just it doesn't end right. But the people
Speaker 1: were saying that they were so surprised that this dad
Speaker 1: and his child looked like like specs in the ocean,
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't even tell it was a person. It
Speaker 1: was so small just by looking down, just because the
Speaker 1: ocean is so large. So kudos to all involved. Did
Speaker 1: Disney people really seemed like they were trained and ready
Speaker 1: for something like this to happen.
Speaker 2: And you don't want to have to go on.
Speaker 1: A cruise ship that like all of the decks have
Speaker 1: plexiglass on them because they're scared somebody is going to
Speaker 1: do that again. So hopefully, I don't know. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's signs everywhere that say not to go up there,
Speaker 1: but like humans are humans, and this is just gonna
Speaker 1: forever happen.
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff. We'll also get into a case
Speaker 2: where the plexiglass literally didn't matter either, because people just
Speaker 2: don't follow the rules. Sometimes it's good to be a rule.
Speaker 1: Follower, guys, sometimes you know best.
Speaker 2: All right. So last week in Florida, police got a
Speaker 2: call that someone was stuck inside of a clothing donation box.
Speaker 2: But when they got there, they found a dead woman inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this woman was it was a nurse I believe,
Speaker 1: or teacher.
Speaker 2: Was a nurse or a teacher. A teacher came across
Speaker 2: a person that looked like they were stuck in the
Speaker 2: donation box.
Speaker 1: But so it was six o'clock. It was like six
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. She was probably on her way
Speaker 1: to do something. And just you know, we all have
Speaker 1: these trash bags in our trunk full of clothes to
Speaker 1: put in the donation box that usually sit in our
Speaker 1: trunk for like six months before we're like, oh, there's one,
Speaker 1: let's drop it off. And there's a pretty pink one,
Speaker 1: let me stick it in there. So she goes up
Speaker 1: to there and sees a person sticking out. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's shocking, right, she'd obviously she didn't examine them to
Speaker 1: see if anything was going on, but the woman was
Speaker 1: clearly dead here they find out that she was homeless.
Speaker 1: They think that possibly they don't know exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: but they think that it could possibly be a positional asphyxia,
Speaker 1: so that's when your body is bent in such a
Speaker 1: way that you're not able to have oxygen exchange anymore.
Speaker 1: And they think that that happened because she was probably
Speaker 1: going in the box trying to find stuff and get
Speaker 1: stuff out, like closed. So that's really sad and terrible
Speaker 1: that anybody would die in that way.
Speaker 2: God, and I just have to imagine it's so hot
Speaker 2: down there too, and if you get stuck in there,
Speaker 2: you're just like trapped in that heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you're trapped bet in half like
Speaker 1: that and you can't expand your chest for respiration, that's terrible.
Speaker 1: But also just the lack of oxygen in general within
Speaker 1: that box wouldn't be great either, So just the combination
Speaker 1: of all of it is terrible. And I guess we'll
Speaker 1: maybe we'll hear more if we probably won't hear anything
Speaker 1: unless it was like, oh, she was murdered and stuffed
Speaker 1: in the box, But just on first examination, they think
Speaker 1: that that's what happened.
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Speaker 1: All right, So this is another news story that came
Speaker 1: out recently about kids who were seriously planning to kill
Speaker 1: another child.
Speaker 2: So four fifth grade girls aged ten to eleven, which
Speaker 2: also surprised me that it was girls allegedly plotted to
Speaker 2: kill a classmate by stabbing him in the school bathroom
Speaker 2: and staging it to look like a suicide, and they
Speaker 2: were going to put a forged suicide note out at reesis.
Speaker 1: So the whole entire plan I guess was overheard by
Speaker 1: kids who told their parents who called the school, But
Speaker 1: it was it was a very intricate plan that included
Speaker 1: one child luring the kid into the bathroom, one child
Speaker 1: stabbing the kid, one child looking out like it's just
Speaker 1: it's absolutely crazy. They they they actually said that they
Speaker 1: were planning on using gloves so they didn't leave fingerprints
Speaker 1: on the weapon.
Speaker 2: Crazy that they're so young and they have these assigned
Speaker 2: roles basically like this was that mapped out?
Speaker 1: Well, they get they're getting it from somewhere, right, I
Speaker 1: mean kids, kids do not come up with this shit
Speaker 1: on their own.
Speaker 2: I don't know because when they so, they searched them
Speaker 2: and figured out the plan, and then when the school
Speaker 2: talked to them, they said three of the girls showed remorse,
Speaker 2: but one of them thought it was funny and was smiling.
Speaker 2: So what I assume that was the mastermind of the plan,
Speaker 2: because that's not normal behavior for a young girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's hard when when girls are
Speaker 1: in I mean, I have a child that's in fifth
Speaker 1: grade who's a girl. I can't even imagine something like
Speaker 1: this going down but you see with different circumstances that
Speaker 1: kids bring up an idea and then their other friends
Speaker 1: go along with it because kids don't want to go
Speaker 1: against what they think, especially with the cool kids saying
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just it's so it's so shocking to me.
Speaker 1: But this is something that all parents that are that
Speaker 1: are my age or younger, that have children that are
Speaker 1: growing up right now have to deal with that that
Speaker 1: we didn't have to deal with when we were kids.
Speaker 1: And it's because of social media and just the access
Speaker 1: to things that they have. They don't they know about
Speaker 1: things that they shouldn't know about. When we were kids,
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, we would maybe stumble across TV
Speaker 1: shows or something and hear about cases or see it
Speaker 1: in the newspaper. But it's just different now because of
Speaker 1: YouTube and these short videos and these you know, true
Speaker 1: crime is a huge thing, and when the kids are
Speaker 1: watching YouTube, that stuff is not filtered out to them
Speaker 1: and you could say, oh, there's YouTube kids and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's just like.
Speaker 1: Listen, no ten to fifteen year old wants to watch
Speaker 1: YouTube kids. It's a bunch of cocoa melon videos and shit.
Speaker 1: They want to see things that are interesting to them,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, it's like you have YouTube kids, which is
Speaker 1: like Barney videos, and then the full world wide web
Speaker 1: that with access to everything, there's no in between.
Speaker 2: Well, even when we post these videos on our YouTube channel,
Speaker 2: one of the questions that's a mandatory prompt before you publish,
Speaker 2: is this video for kids? They'll give a shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's what ideos all the time that my kids.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. If I click yes, it
Speaker 2: is for kids, is there a person manually reviewing it
Speaker 2: or does it just go live for children until it's
Speaker 2: reported otherwise.
Speaker 1: I have several children come to my house and say
Speaker 1: that our reels show up in their feed.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not in the kids because I've never marked
Speaker 2: it as safe for kids. Exactly.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, though, Like that doesn't even
Speaker 1: matter at all. And listen, there's thousands of articles and
Speaker 1: stories from parents that'll just be like, Oh, I was
Speaker 1: sitting there watching YouTube with my kid and this video
Speaker 1: came up, and this video came up, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: the only way to prevent it is to not let
Speaker 1: your kid go on it. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's actually practical or if it's
Speaker 1: a good idea to withhold things like that from them
Speaker 1: and not teach them how to navigate it because it
Speaker 1: is the world that we live in.
Speaker 2: Well, this really reminds me of the slender Man case,
Speaker 2: where I think this was the first time we really
Speaker 2: saw this horrible impact on children just having free reign
Speaker 2: of the inner and going on creepy pasta and seeing
Speaker 2: this mythical creature that was saying it was okay to
Speaker 2: kill right, And they ended up stabbing that girl and
Speaker 2: thankfully she survived. I mean, what if they executed this plan.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of bothered that they were. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know they're little kids, but they were only charged with
Speaker 2: misdemeanors and their suspended pending expulsion. But like, is this
Speaker 2: the only trouble they're getting in? Do they have to
Speaker 2: go to mandated therapy? This is really concerning behavior for
Speaker 2: little kids, It really it is.
Speaker 1: And you know what, though, like their brains are not
Speaker 1: formed even a little bit. It's just like you can't,
Speaker 1: you can't. They're just they're they're literally like repeating something
Speaker 1: that they think sounded cool. I just don't think I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not a psychologist and stuff, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure people like Brian Coberger were screwed up their
Speaker 1: whole life, and we're you know, the first sign of
Speaker 1: someone camping out as a sociopath doesn't happen when they're
Speaker 1: in their twenties or thirties, right, But it has to
Speaker 1: start somewhere, And maybe one of the children that were
Speaker 1: not remorseful has something going on that might come out
Speaker 1: worse later when they're older. But just a lot of
Speaker 1: it is just like I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as explaining to my kids about
Speaker 1: getting hit by a car. They don't really understand what
Speaker 1: happens when you.
Speaker 2: Get hit by a car.
Speaker 1: They think it's like a ball and it's going to
Speaker 1: bounce off and it'll like hurt, like when you fall
Speaker 1: off your bike. They just don't understand that, like your
Speaker 1: body's gonna get smeared along the sidewalk and do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like they just they don't know.
Speaker 1: And that's why kids get hurt all the time doing
Speaker 1: dumb shit because they just don't really understand the full
Speaker 1: ramification of things. And kids just do other stuff all
Speaker 1: the time and get in trouble because they just really
Speaker 1: don't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, another point I'm wanted to bring up
Speaker 2: was the of course, the question is why were they
Speaker 2: planning to kill this boy and they're saying it's because
Speaker 2: he cheated in a relationship. Why are so many people
Speaker 2: like this is a problem I've noticed lately. It's just
Speaker 2: so many people are like talking about little kids like, oh,
Speaker 2: they have a boyfriend, they have a girlfriend, Like stop
Speaker 2: it their kids.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but like that's I mean even when
Speaker 1: when I was in school in the eighties, it was
Speaker 1: like it started in like third grade, like oh, he
Speaker 1: has a crush on you, and this and that, like kids,
Speaker 1: kids are just gonna be kids, and they like this
Speaker 1: is when all their hormones are kicking in and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I noticed this with with my ten year old,
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of drama associated with the like
Speaker 1: change between being a child and then being a teenager.
Speaker 2: And with all of the.
Speaker 1: Girls and the boys too that because they just don't
Speaker 1: know what these feelings they're experiencing and things like that.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a certain part of that.
Speaker 1: You could look at movies from the fifties that display
Speaker 1: this cute little relationlationships between children.
Speaker 2: But does that make it right? I mean, the girls
Speaker 2: even it's not.
Speaker 1: Real, like it's just real though, okay that he likes
Speaker 1: this person and likes this pi, but.
Speaker 2: It's causing out real drama. Like the girls come home
Speaker 2: from school when they're giving us their daily drama onload,
Speaker 2: that's like childhood nonsense that we have to listen to.
Speaker 2: They'll be like so and so got married to so
Speaker 2: and so, but he wants to marry so and so.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why is this causing real drama in
Speaker 2: your life over these mythical relationships?
Speaker 1: This is the thing when you're a parent, there's Listen.
Speaker 1: If I had a choice, I'd be like, my kids
Speaker 1: aren't dating until they're twenty five years old, really, because
Speaker 1: their brains will be more developed, they'll be able to
Speaker 1: handle it more, they won't get their heart broken as much.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: I want them to be like full established women before
Speaker 1: they start dating, right, But like, reality is what reality is,
Speaker 1: and you need to teach them how to navigate what's
Speaker 1: happening in reality. Like listen, if there's every single parent
Speaker 1: of kids that are in these grades can talk about
Speaker 1: little love stories that their kids have, and nobody's talking
Speaker 1: about murdering a child. So it's like this is just
Speaker 1: like a weird, one off thing and no, I or
Speaker 1: maybe not one off, but super rare, And.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. It just made me want to
Speaker 2: make a topic that it's a behavior. I've noticed a
Speaker 2: lot where people talk about little kids having active boyfriend
Speaker 2: and girlfriends. Yeah, I mean, I think it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't push it for sure, because parents
Speaker 1: could push anything on their kids and have it be okay, right.
Speaker 1: I don't sit there and be like, oh, so hoo,
Speaker 1: do you think it's hot.
Speaker 2: In your class? And this?
Speaker 1: You know, like I'm not. But I also don't want
Speaker 1: to be that parent that's like you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: date because all kids do is do that shit behind
Speaker 1: your back, like if you're if you're if you were
Speaker 1: like a slimy kid, like I was, like you would
Speaker 1: just my mom said not to watch MTV, So what
Speaker 1: did I do? I watched MTV all day at my
Speaker 1: friend's house. Like it's the same shit with YouTube, like
Speaker 1: you can't if you tell them that they can't have it. Ever,
Speaker 1: it's more about like monitoring a little bit more like
Speaker 1: my approach has just let them on it a little bit.
Speaker 1: They only could be on it X amount of hours
Speaker 1: a day instead of free range of trying to be
Speaker 1: in the middle a little bit.
Speaker 2: But those couple.
Speaker 1: Hours that they're on it, trust me, they're saying shit
Speaker 1: that I don't want them to see.
Speaker 2: You know, that's inevitable. Yeah, And I think if you
Speaker 2: have a middle ground, like you're saying, give them a
Speaker 2: little exposure, like you let them live your life, but
Speaker 2: they also have an understanding that that's not acceptable behavior,
Speaker 2: that's like what you have to do. Because I had
Speaker 2: a friend growing up that's parents were like, never let
Speaker 2: her do anything, they never let her leave, and then
Speaker 2: the second she got older, she went crazy. So like,
Speaker 2: you have that happen on one end, or you have
Speaker 2: your kids, who are you know, eight years old having
Speaker 2: TikTok on another end. So I think the middle ground
Speaker 2: is where we need to meet. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: take that as a time to talk about how I
Speaker 2: noticed this is a trending thing lately. All right, let's
Speaker 2: move on to our last story. So back in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, a twenty four year old died in a
Speaker 2: car accident, and when his family attended his viewing. A
Speaker 2: week later, his body was covered in maggots at the
Speaker 2: funeral home. So obviously this is not something that's normal.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not, and especially in a case like this,
Speaker 1: So this is something that could happen if you ever
Speaker 1: hear like, oh, they found a body in the river
Speaker 1: or something like that, Well that person has been dead
Speaker 1: for a while maybe, and that would be a reason
Speaker 1: why you would see the body can decompose, and there's
Speaker 1: oftentimes that funeral homes get decomposed bodies, to which they
Speaker 1: will say to the family like, we highly, highly highly
Speaker 1: advise that you do not have an open casket. And
Speaker 1: in fact, some funeral homes will say we're not doing
Speaker 1: an open casket because they can't make the person not
Speaker 1: look green and bloated anymore and take away all of
Speaker 1: the things that are happening when a person decomposes. And
Speaker 1: once decomposition starts happening, you could still slow it down
Speaker 1: with embombing and stuff, but like it's already in motion,
Speaker 1: so it's just going to continue to start happening. So
Speaker 1: in this case, it's very weird because and that's why
Speaker 1: I was really specifical on looking at the lawsuit and
Speaker 1: seeing the times the guy died in a car accident,
Speaker 1: which means that and according to the lawsuit too, he
Speaker 1: died on this day and they called the funeral home
Speaker 1: the day the guy died. So if someone dies drops dead,
Speaker 1: however they die, and they go to the funeral home
Speaker 1: that day, their body should automatically be put into refrigeration
Speaker 1: or should be embombed immediately. And if that's not happening,
Speaker 1: then the person's going to start decomposing. And that's what
Speaker 1: happened in this case. I don't know where the lapse
Speaker 1: of time was, but there was a whole entire seven
Speaker 1: days before the person died and the viewing happened. And
Speaker 1: in those seven days, in order to decompose to the
Speaker 1: point where there's maggot activity, that the body was clearly
Speaker 1: not in proper refrigeration and not embombed in a timely fashion.
Speaker 1: Because even if you put the body person dies in
Speaker 1: a car accident, you put them in the refrigerator, they're
Speaker 1: not going to develop maggots in those in seven days.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. So the only way that
Speaker 1: it happened was that the person wasn't put into refrigeration
Speaker 1: and I mean, think about the shock of going to
Speaker 1: your loved one who died tragically in a car accident,
Speaker 1: so an unexpected death, and then going to the funeral
Speaker 1: and seeing maggots come out of their nose and their ears, Like,
Speaker 1: that's so disturbing. They should one hundred percent sue this
Speaker 1: funeral home for that.
Speaker 2: Well, then, according to the family, somebody had screamed when
Speaker 2: they saw the guy in the casket, and then they
Speaker 2: were like, stop making a scene the funeral home. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's an incredibly disturbing thing to see.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine it. Do you think that the
Speaker 1: person at the funeral home thought that. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: no one at the funeral home should ever be telling
Speaker 1: a family not to cause a scene for anything, because.
Speaker 2: People grieve in different ways.
Speaker 1: They grieve in different ways, and they have very Sometimes
Speaker 1: people have a very emotional response to seeing, you know,
Speaker 1: their kid dead in a casket, right, Like, so even
Speaker 1: if she was just screaming just because she was upset,
Speaker 1: you should never be telling a person when you're the employee,
Speaker 1: to like not cause a scene. That's weird, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: this is not the first time somebody screamed at a
Speaker 1: funeral home. I mean, it's not like a ninety five
Speaker 1: year old man that lived a fulfilling life and he
Speaker 1: died peacefully in his sleep. This is a person in
Speaker 1: their twenties that died tragically already, and that could be
Speaker 1: a horrific site in itself, seeing a properly embalmed person
Speaker 1: laying in a casket, and then on top of it,
Speaker 1: you see your loved one with bugs crawling all over
Speaker 1: their face. It's disgusting. Yeah, So the I think it
Speaker 1: was the mother in the lawsuit did mention that when
Speaker 1: she went to the viewing that the room seemed to
Speaker 1: be very warm, which what I mean really it shouldn't.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't ever be, even if the body has been
Speaker 1: properly refrigerated and embombed. But if it was, the maggots
Speaker 1: don't happen right away, Like a fly has to first
Speaker 1: land on the dead tissue, which they're attracted to because
Speaker 1: of the decomposition, and then the eggs have to hatch.
Speaker 1: It's a process. It's not something that just happened five
Speaker 1: minutes prior to that viewing. So we've heard cases like
Speaker 1: this before of where people are not put in a
Speaker 1: proper refrigeration and that's what happens. I actually had an
Speaker 1: autopsy once of the only pregnant person autopsy I did,
Speaker 1: and the woman had died at a hospital in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: and we were doing the autopsia at another hospital in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: and there was a time where she left the one
Speaker 1: hospital and went to the funeral home and was there
Speaker 1: for twelve hours. But it was in the middle of
Speaker 1: the dead hot summer heat wave in Philadelphia, and by
Speaker 1: the time she got to us, she was decomposed. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, if she died at the hospit bittle
Speaker 1: went to the funeral home, went in the fridge, and
Speaker 1: then came to us and went and went in our fridge.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no way that she was green and bloated
Speaker 1: at that point. So they did not put her in refrigeration,
Speaker 1: which was a problem for our autopsy findings, honestly.
Speaker 2: And that's like a whole other story.
Speaker 1: But we've had stories on Mother Knows Death of people
Speaker 1: not properly putting bodies into the refrigerator at a funeral home.
Speaker 2: And that's what happens. All right, Let's move on to
Speaker 2: questions of the day. Every Friday at the at Mother
Speaker 2: Knows Death, Instagram account, You guys can head to our
Speaker 2: story and ask whatever you want. Can you explain how
Speaker 2: amniotic fluid embolism is a diagnosis of exclusion? Is there
Speaker 2: no clear sign that was the cause of death? So
Speaker 2: that's a really interesting thing. We wrote about this.
Speaker 1: We did a celebrity death this section on nurse Hallie
Speaker 1: that was at our New Grads. I'm sure lots of
Speaker 1: you who are in the medical field were following her
Speaker 1: on her social media and this was her cause of death,
Speaker 1: So we did that pretty recently. But it's a very
Speaker 1: so an amniotic embolism is when somehow the fetal tissue
Speaker 1: gets into the maternal circulation and causes a reaction and
Speaker 1: causes a mother to die shortly after either during childbirth
Speaker 1: shortly after childbirth, And it's a very rare thing that happens,
Speaker 1: but it happens, and it cannot really be predicted. There's
Speaker 1: some risk factors that you should take into consideration, but
Speaker 1: it's just something that kind of has to be dealt
Speaker 1: with if it happens. So back in the day, they
Speaker 1: would say that an amniotic fluid embolism could only be
Speaker 1: diagnosed at autopsy and it would be at looking at
Speaker 1: lung tissue under the microscope, and there you would see
Speaker 1: fetal cells within the maternal circulation. But that's not really
Speaker 1: the case anymore to say one hundred percent that that's
Speaker 1: an amniotic embolism, because there have been cases where they've
Speaker 1: done tissue, they've done autopsies, and they've seen tissue that
Speaker 1: they could prove that there are fetal cells circulating in
Speaker 1: the maternal circulation of people who have absolutely no complications
Speaker 1: with childbirth. So that in itself is okay, yes, maybe
Speaker 1: they had this, but it doesn't prove one hundred percent
Speaker 1: that that's what killed them. It's called an amnionic fluid embolism,
Speaker 1: and the word embolism means that cells are tissue or
Speaker 1: whatever occurs in one part of the body and it
Speaker 1: travels to another part of the body.
Speaker 2: They're starting to think that.
Speaker 1: That is that an amniotic fluid embolism probably isn't the
Speaker 1: proper terminology, and they're thinking that it has to do
Speaker 1: with those cells getting into the maternal circulation, but the
Speaker 1: body actually having like an allergic reaction to those cells
Speaker 1: that only happens in some people, and they're not really
Speaker 1: sure why that happens. But the presentation is more of
Speaker 1: what would happen if a person has a severe and
Speaker 1: a flow reaction, like if they got stung by a
Speaker 1: bee or something, rather than symptoms that you would see
Speaker 1: with a true embolism. So when they say it's exclusionary,
Speaker 1: it means that they looked at all of the other
Speaker 1: things that it could have been and they said, Okay,
Speaker 1: it definitely can't be this. And at autopsy we see
Speaker 1: pulmonary edema, and we see the cells in the maternal circulation,
Speaker 1: and we see hemorrhage.
Speaker 2: Then with all that they could.
Speaker 1: Say, Okay, it's it was an amniotic embolism was the
Speaker 1: cause of death.
Speaker 2: All right, two Nicole, what's with parasites and cleanses? Did
Speaker 2: you ever find parasites during an autops.
Speaker 1: So I cannot stand that shit like parasites are I
Speaker 1: will say this in this country, it is rare to
Speaker 1: get parasites. When you see it in this country a
Speaker 1: lot of times, it's like it really is when people travel.
Speaker 1: I mean you see them from time to time. But
Speaker 1: like I've seen a couple parasitic effects working in a
Speaker 1: large city hospital for years, and the only time I
Speaker 1: saw it was in cytology specimens that would come down
Speaker 1: before I was even a PA. I've never seen it
Speaker 1: in an autopsy ever, that people that like all of
Speaker 1: these videos are claiming that there's these parasite cleanses and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just not true. And what are these
Speaker 1: people's backgrounds that are even showing this, Like it's.
Speaker 2: Not it's like fake wellness influencers who eat clean and
Speaker 2: do parasite cleanses but then put all this botox and
Speaker 2: filler in their face.
Speaker 1: But some of them are showing pictures of the shit
Speaker 1: that they say is coming out, and it's like, that's
Speaker 1: not even what a parasite looks like. It looks like
Speaker 1: it's like sloughed off mucosa or the lining of the
Speaker 1: bow in some cases. But like when you see parasitic worms,
Speaker 1: they look like worms. They don't look like a little
Speaker 1: stringy things or whatever. And like, personally, I just think that,
Speaker 1: and like any body that I've ever talked to all
Speaker 1: thinks that this is just complete bullshit. Now I'll tell
Speaker 1: you in the grossroom, I have some nasty, nasty cases
Speaker 1: of parasitic infections, and all of them really, I would
Speaker 1: say probably ninety nine percent of these cases are all
Speaker 1: from other countries where people where there's not plumbing, like
Speaker 1: things like that, where people are shitting out in public
Speaker 1: and then they're they're eating from the soil with the
Speaker 1: shit in it, and they're just transferring disease all over
Speaker 1: the place. It's just it's just not happening where there's
Speaker 1: plumbing and there's healthcare and everything. It's just not happening
Speaker 1: as often. Not to say that it can't, because it
Speaker 1: does certainly happen in America, but like the average person
Speaker 1: that's just going about their day and stuff is not
Speaker 1: having a parasitic infection. Listen, you would know if you
Speaker 1: add a parasitic infection.
Speaker 2: These people getting these capsules that have the parasites in
Speaker 2: them to take them from like strange websites on the internet.
Speaker 2: What the what are you talk These influencers are doing
Speaker 2: these parasitic cleanses. Where are they getting them from? Well,
Speaker 2: it's just I don't even know.
Speaker 1: It's just like some kind of herbs and stuff that
Speaker 1: they're saying or cleansing the parasites.
Speaker 2: There's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: that people actually take parasites to lose weight.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm talking about people who are taking
Speaker 2: capsules with parasites in them, because that's that's like it's
Speaker 2: different to your health.
Speaker 1: They're losing weight. No, that's that's like a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: The cleanse is like telling people if you take this
Speaker 1: herbal supplement which probably has like center or something in
Speaker 1: it that caused you know that that they give you
Speaker 1: when whenever you need to like a laxative effect. Right,
Speaker 1: It'll like you could take a laxative and cleanse yourself
Speaker 1: out if you really want to write, if you really
Speaker 1: think that you have parasites and stuff, you could do that.
Speaker 1: But these ones are labeled parasite cleansed, but like it
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything in it that's different than anything else.
Speaker 1: But sometimes people take supplements that are like tapeworm to
Speaker 1: lose weight. You could and you could get them on
Speaker 1: the internet somewhere.
Speaker 2: Like No, that's what I was thinking this whole time
Speaker 2: you're talking about was now taking there's there's people The
Speaker 2: cleanse is to just like you thinking that that, like
Speaker 2: you listening to these influencers that all have parasites and
Speaker 2: if you take this, you'll get rid of your parasites too,
Speaker 2: and then the other one is intentionally ingesting parasites so
Speaker 2: you could lose weight. No, that's what I'm talking about
Speaker 2: with the influencers. Influencers is that they're pushing taking parasites
Speaker 2: to cleanse their body.
Speaker 1: I know, I know there's some of them that are
Speaker 1: doing that too, but that's not what the typical parasite
Speaker 1: cleanse is considered. Like there's influencers that take these parasite
Speaker 1: cleanses and show piece like like pictures of their ship
Speaker 1: and say like, look at all these worms that were
Speaker 1: inside of me, and you're like, that's not worms, but okay, Like,
Speaker 1: but I mean they go viral and people it's it's
Speaker 1: a big business. But I mean you do you get
Speaker 1: get it if you want, but like it's you don't
Speaker 1: need to go take a doll Collex or something.
Speaker 2: All right, last question is for me, given everything we know,
Speaker 2: were you a MySpace scene queen or more emo? And
Speaker 2: did you go to warp Tour. I wanted to be
Speaker 2: a scene queen, but I was too ugly, so I
Speaker 2: just stop. I'm joking. I was obsessed with Audrey, Kitchen, Reckillery,
Speaker 2: Jack Vanik, all of them. I had all their bracelets.
Speaker 2: Of course I went to Warp Tour because that's where
Speaker 2: I had to buy the bracelets. I had these amazing
Speaker 2: Jeffree Star ones. I had the coolest Jeffrey Star hoodie ever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course I went to Warp Tour. It's my first
Speaker 2: concert ever. You brought me for the first time.
Speaker 1: When I was eleven, and it just kind of I
Speaker 1: think that, like since I was with Maria during this
Speaker 1: whole phase, which was terrible, by the way, I think
Speaker 1: the scene Queen, like any kind of these looks that
Speaker 1: you commit to are a lot of work. Like do
Speaker 1: you ever watch a person that's like there's all these
Speaker 1: videos that showed now like a really goth person that
Speaker 1: they get a makeover and it makes them look like,
Speaker 1: you know, they have like aenormy yeah, like enormy Right.
Speaker 1: When I look at these in particular, like a goth
Speaker 1: person like that or something, I'm like, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of maintenance every day, and and man, Maria, well, I
Speaker 1: am a fairly low maintenance person as far as like
Speaker 1: I don't go get my hair done all the time.
Speaker 2: I get it cut once a year.
Speaker 1: I don't dye my hair, like I don't wear makeup
Speaker 1: if I don't have to. The only maintenance I do
Speaker 1: is like getting my nails done every three weeks, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to get dressed up every day
Speaker 1: when you're a seeing queen. It was just like, wasn't it,
Speaker 1: Like the really hot pink hair and the crazy eyeliner
Speaker 1: and the crazy.
Speaker 2: Makeup and the full outfit.
Speaker 1: It's just like a lot every day to commit to
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: It was like extremely teased out hair with like long
Speaker 2: extensions called coon tails where you would like dyet to
Speaker 2: look like raccoon, and then you had to wear the
Speaker 2: crazy wing the eyeliner and bows and hello kitty barets.
Speaker 2: Like it was.
Speaker 1: There was lots of the race like it's just like
Speaker 1: too much to do every day, but you need to
Speaker 1: go to school, and like I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people like look at people and there's all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: There's like the the emo seeing queens and the goth people.
Speaker 2: There's like whole groups of people.
Speaker 1: But I always look at those people and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: like that, that's like dedication. It's a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do that every single day, and I just don't,
Speaker 1: like I'm just too lazy, Like I just want to
Speaker 1: walk around and like flip flops and a T shirt
Speaker 1: every day and like get dressed up on occasion.
Speaker 2: And I feel like.
Speaker 1: Maria was the same way. Like I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: like you want to wake up an hour and a
Speaker 1: half before school every day to like do your hair
Speaker 1: and makeup so you could like look like this every day.
Speaker 2: It's just a lot. Listen. I tried. It just wasn't
Speaker 2: for me. I was obsessed with the look. It just
Speaker 2: wasn't happening. I eventually settled on having you dye strips
Speaker 2: of red in my hair, and then I wore my
Speaker 2: Chemical Romance t shirts and kind of settled it there.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I've talked about this. I
Speaker 2: had this like pivotal point in my childhood where you
Speaker 2: were like you could get this build a bear, or
Speaker 2: you could get this T shirt that says I love
Speaker 2: boys who wear eyeliner, And that's what I was, like,
Speaker 2: it's like growing up today or what it was from touring.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that day. It was like so funny,
Speaker 2: it's so stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but that was like one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: the scene of like what you were into. And I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, it's just like far from what
Speaker 1: I was into. But Maria was full on in it,
Speaker 1: and I tried to support her in it by taking
Speaker 1: her to like, well.
Speaker 2: You took me to Warp Tour in two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: which was my first concert ever, and that's like where
Speaker 2: I got introduced. I was already into a lot of
Speaker 2: the music at that point, but that's where I got
Speaker 2: introduced to, like Thursday, the casualties, like a bunch of
Speaker 2: SKA bands and stuff. So that was a really cool experience,
Speaker 2: and then I went every year throughout my teens. Basically,
Speaker 2: my dream when I was a teenager was to be
Speaker 2: a photographer on the Warp Tour, which, upon reflection and
Speaker 2: my husband having worked at a music venue, would have
Speaker 2: been a horrible idea because young girls like me get
Speaker 2: preyed on by these predators and these bands, so it
Speaker 2: probably would have been a horrible choice, but it worked out.
Speaker 2: I would have liked it at the time, That's what
Speaker 2: I said, because I'll be talking about a band I like,
Speaker 2: and Ricky's like, that guy's a scumbag. He was banging
Speaker 2: sixteen year olds in the back of the venue I
Speaker 2: worked at, and I'm like, yeah, but I would have
Speaker 2: thought that was the coolest.
Speaker 1: I would have been one of them, and that would
Speaker 1: that would have been amazing.
Speaker 2: I would have thought I was special exactly. So upon reflection,
Speaker 2: it's probably better it didn't work out that way. But
Speaker 2: that was most of my youths, shooting shows every single weekend,
Speaker 2: and Warped Tour was definitely a large part of it.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you guys so much. Don't forget
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Speaker 2: were going, because I know, I don't think I even
Speaker 2: said I was going. Originally I didn't think I could
Speaker 2: go to Atlanta, but just in the last week or two,
Speaker 2: I am now going, So I will also be there
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