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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Well, there has been

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Speaker 1: a lot of shocking news story since our last episode,

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Speaker 1: so we are going to get into some of those today.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we're on Diddy Verdict Watch, so whenever that

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Speaker 1: comes out, we'll be talking about it, but not on

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Speaker 1: today's episode because really nothing is happening yet. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get into the plea deal with Brian Coburger that

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Speaker 1: he is apparently taking this week on his homicide conviction,

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Speaker 1: and we also have a couple freak accidents involving a

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Speaker 1: child that went overboard on a Disney cruise and a

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Speaker 1: woman who got stuck in a clothing donation box. And

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Speaker 1: then we're going to get into one of the most

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Speaker 1: disturbed stories that we've ever heard about children that plan

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Speaker 1: on killing their classmate. Yes, that is true, you heard

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Speaker 1: me correctly. And then we'll finish the episode with a

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Speaker 1: maggot infested body at a funeral home. So let's get

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Speaker 1: started with this shocking Brian Coburger news that came kind

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Speaker 1: of out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: I was in the middle of cooking dinner last night

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Speaker 2: and I just opened Instagram really quick while I was

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Speaker 2: waiting for something to finish off, and then I see

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Speaker 2: Cheryl made this post and was like, I've confirmed with

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Speaker 2: a family member that Coburger has made a plea deal.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, there's just no way, Like, there's

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Speaker 2: just absolutely no ways too, And I just start seeing

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Speaker 2: it filling and filling and filling in on my social

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Speaker 2: media and then I turn on the news and it's

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Speaker 2: on there. I cannot believe he has made a plea deal.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm thinking happened. And obviously, like I

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Speaker 1: have no idea what happens in the system as far

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Speaker 1: as trying cases like this and stuff, but I think

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Speaker 1: that he's just been throwing all this stuff out and

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Speaker 1: trying to see if it would stick. One of them

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Speaker 1: being like, oh, I'm autistic, all of it. I got

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Speaker 1: to diagnose with autism this year, Like you can't put

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Speaker 1: me to the death penalty and all this stuff, and

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Speaker 1: the judge kept on throwing away all of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and the most recent one that it seems got thrown

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Speaker 1: were other people involved with this murder, and the judge

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, no, we're not hearing any of that

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Speaker 1: stuff because that's whatever reason they said, they're just not

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Speaker 1: hearing it. And that could have been like his final

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Speaker 1: thing that he was trying to throw out and see

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Speaker 1: if he could get a bite on it, and since

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Speaker 1: there was no way to get out of it, this

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Speaker 1: is what he has to do in order to save

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Speaker 1: his own life.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised he took the plea deal. I'm surprised

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Speaker 2: they offered it to him because in my mind, they

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Speaker 2: had a pretty solid case, So why wouldn't you try

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Speaker 2: to go forward with it. Was it tax reasons, like

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Speaker 2: they didn't want to spend the money on it. Was

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Speaker 2: it to spare the family of not having to hear

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Speaker 2: the horrific details. Are we ever going to get those

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Speaker 2: ds with him making this deal.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, But obviously there's going to be a point

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Speaker 1: where the gag order is lifted. So the family especially

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Speaker 1: has a lot of the details. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they had access to the autopsy report. I'm sure they are,

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Speaker 1: but everybody has been had to keep quiet with all

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Speaker 1: of the details of this case, so a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is public information. I'm sure that a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is going to get released and where there's going

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Speaker 1: to be thousands of episodes talking about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, On one hand, I look.

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Speaker 1: At it like people who usually get to death penalty,

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Speaker 2: There's all of these appeals.

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Speaker 1: It costs so much money, and that could really drag

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Speaker 1: on for the family as well. Whereas I feel like,

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Speaker 1: right now they're not happy with this. But if it's

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Speaker 1: if if he pleads tomorrow, which he's supposed to plead guilty,

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Speaker 1: which he has to at this point, right because even

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Speaker 2: Well, I think also tomorrow when they go to the

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that that's all ironed out already before

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Speaker 1: But I do I feel bad for the family. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, like I know that they were saying,

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Speaker 1: we already know the gruesome details. They possibly have already

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Speaker 1: read the autopsy reports. I'm telling you right now, based

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Speaker 1: child being butchered alive, which is what happened in these cases.

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Speaker 1: But there's a big difference between reading about the injuries

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Speaker 1: just showing the autopsy pictures alone in court to all

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Speaker 1: did it. Because I'm telling you that it is so gruesome.

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Speaker 1: If you remember from the crime scene photos that there

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about all of the layers of a

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Speaker 1: it's just you have you have dry wall, insulation, the

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Speaker 2: Of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's just it was a gruesome seat and the family

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Speaker 1: least if he goes tomorrow and says I'm guilty and

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Speaker 2: No, I understand that. I guess there was also confusion

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Speaker 2: and maybe we'll find out the reason. Maybe the prosecution

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, would you want to take the risk of

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a lot for them to process

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Speaker 2: But maybe they just came across some discovery that could

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Speaker 2: on behind the scenes right now. Well, what's also really interesting,

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Speaker 2: including someone who listens to our show and left the

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Speaker 2: comment on one of our YouTube videos saying we were assholes

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Speaker 2: for saying that this guy is guilty. Right, So that

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Speaker 2: might also worry prosecutors as well, because every normal person

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Speaker 2: how many things do you have to say that are

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Speaker 2: blatantly obvious? I personally didn't need any of those details

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Speaker 2: to scare prosecutors for sure. Well, of course, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's unfortunate but this is the world we live in today.

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Speaker 2: This is not gonna sound right the way I'm saying it,

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Speaker 2: But I was looking forward to watching the trial in

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Speaker 2: hope we still get that from an investigator perspective, how

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Speaker 2: that all went down in the documents. I'm sure we

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Speaker 1: See, this is what pisses me off, though, And this

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Speaker 2: It's Brian Coburger is.

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Speaker 1: Still in control of their children and still in control

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Speaker 1: of them. Yes, he's in control of all of it.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the family feels like, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: They want all of this to come out and in

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Speaker 1: You know, so I feel I just feel terrible for

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Speaker 2: No freaking way should they send that to them. That

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Speaker 1: Have any access to talk to them directly. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: This kind of stuff. We'll also get into a case

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Speaker 2: where the plexiglass literally didn't matter either, because people just

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Speaker 2: don't follow the rules. Sometimes it's good to be a rule.

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Speaker 1: Follower, guys, sometimes you know best.

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Speaker 2: All right. So last week in Florida, police got a

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Speaker 2: call that someone was stuck inside of a clothing donation box.

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Speaker 2: But when they got there, they found a dead woman inside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this woman was it was a nurse I believe,

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Speaker 1: or teacher.

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Speaker 2: Was a nurse or a teacher. A teacher came across

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Speaker 2: a person that looked like they were stuck in the

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Speaker 2: donation box.

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Speaker 1: But so it was six o'clock. It was like six

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. She was probably on her way

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Speaker 1: to do something. And just you know, we all have

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Speaker 1: these trash bags in our trunk full of clothes to

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Speaker 1: put in the donation box that usually sit in our

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Speaker 1: trunk for like six months before we're like, oh, there's one,

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Speaker 1: let's drop it off. And there's a pretty pink one,

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Speaker 1: let me stick it in there. So she goes up

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Speaker 1: to there and sees a person sticking out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's shocking, right, she'd obviously she didn't examine them to

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Speaker 1: see if anything was going on, but the woman was

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Speaker 1: clearly dead here they find out that she was homeless.

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Speaker 1: They think that possibly they don't know exactly what happened,

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Speaker 1: but they think that it could possibly be a positional asphyxia,

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Speaker 1: so that's when your body is bent in such a

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Speaker 1: way that you're not able to have oxygen exchange anymore.

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Speaker 1: And they think that that happened because she was probably

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Speaker 1: going in the box trying to find stuff and get

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Speaker 1: stuff out, like closed. So that's really sad and terrible

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Speaker 1: that anybody would die in that way.

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Speaker 2: God, and I just have to imagine it's so hot

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Speaker 2: down there too, and if you get stuck in there,

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Speaker 2: you're just like trapped in that heat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you're trapped bet in half like

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Speaker 1: that and you can't expand your chest for respiration, that's terrible.

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Speaker 1: But also just the lack of oxygen in general within

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Speaker 1: that box wouldn't be great either, So just the combination

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Speaker 1: of all of it is terrible. And I guess we'll

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll hear more if we probably won't hear anything

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Speaker 1: unless it was like, oh, she was murdered and stuffed

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Speaker 1: in the box, But just on first examination, they think

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Speaker 1: that that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: All right, So this is another news story that came

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Speaker 1: out recently about kids who were seriously planning to kill

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Speaker 1: another child.

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Speaker 2: So four fifth grade girls aged ten to eleven, which

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Speaker 2: also surprised me that it was girls allegedly plotted to

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Speaker 2: kill a classmate by stabbing him in the school bathroom

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Speaker 2: and staging it to look like a suicide, and they

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Speaker 2: were going to put a forged suicide note out at reesis.

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Speaker 1: So the whole entire plan I guess was overheard by

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Speaker 1: kids who told their parents who called the school, But

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Speaker 1: it was it was a very intricate plan that included

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Speaker 1: one child luring the kid into the bathroom, one child

510
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Speaker 1: stabbing the kid, one child looking out like it's just

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely crazy. They they they actually said that they

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Speaker 1: were planning on using gloves so they didn't leave fingerprints

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Speaker 1: on the weapon.

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Speaker 2: Crazy that they're so young and they have these assigned

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Speaker 2: roles basically like this was that mapped out?

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Speaker 1: Well, they get they're getting it from somewhere, right, I

517
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Speaker 1: mean kids, kids do not come up with this shit

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Speaker 1: on their own.

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Speaker 2: I don't know because when they so, they searched them

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Speaker 2: and figured out the plan, and then when the school

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Speaker 2: talked to them, they said three of the girls showed remorse,

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Speaker 2: but one of them thought it was funny and was smiling.

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Speaker 2: So what I assume that was the mastermind of the plan,

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Speaker 2: because that's not normal behavior for a young girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's hard when when girls are

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Speaker 1: in I mean, I have a child that's in fifth

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Speaker 1: grade who's a girl. I can't even imagine something like

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Speaker 1: this going down but you see with different circumstances that

529
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Speaker 1: kids bring up an idea and then their other friends

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Speaker 1: go along with it because kids don't want to go

531
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Speaker 1: against what they think, especially with the cool kids saying

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Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just it's so it's so shocking to me.

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Speaker 1: But this is something that all parents that are that

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Speaker 1: are my age or younger, that have children that are

535
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Speaker 1: growing up right now have to deal with that that

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Speaker 1: we didn't have to deal with when we were kids.

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Speaker 1: And it's because of social media and just the access

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Speaker 1: to things that they have. They don't they know about

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Speaker 1: things that they shouldn't know about. When we were kids,

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Speaker 1: it was like, okay, we would maybe stumble across TV

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Speaker 1: shows or something and hear about cases or see it

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Speaker 1: in the newspaper. But it's just different now because of

543
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Speaker 1: YouTube and these short videos and these you know, true

544
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Speaker 1: crime is a huge thing, and when the kids are

545
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Speaker 1: watching YouTube, that stuff is not filtered out to them

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Speaker 1: and you could say, oh, there's YouTube kids and stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's just like.

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Speaker 1: Listen, no ten to fifteen year old wants to watch

549
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Speaker 1: YouTube kids. It's a bunch of cocoa melon videos and shit.

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Speaker 1: They want to see things that are interesting to them,

551
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately, it's like you have YouTube kids, which is

552
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Speaker 1: like Barney videos, and then the full world wide web

553
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Speaker 1: that with access to everything, there's no in between.

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Speaker 2: Well, even when we post these videos on our YouTube channel,

555
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Speaker 2: one of the questions that's a mandatory prompt before you publish,

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Speaker 2: is this video for kids? They'll give a shit. Yeah,

557
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Speaker 2: but that's what ideos all the time that my kids.

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Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. If I click yes, it

559
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Speaker 2: is for kids, is there a person manually reviewing it

560
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Speaker 2: or does it just go live for children until it's

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Speaker 2: reported otherwise.

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Speaker 1: I have several children come to my house and say

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Speaker 1: that our reels show up in their feed.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're not in the kids because I've never marked

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Speaker 2: it as safe for kids. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, though, Like that doesn't even

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Speaker 1: matter at all. And listen, there's thousands of articles and

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Speaker 1: stories from parents that'll just be like, Oh, I was

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Speaker 1: sitting there watching YouTube with my kid and this video

570
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Speaker 1: came up, and this video came up, and it's just like,

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Speaker 1: the only way to prevent it is to not let

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Speaker 1: your kid go on it. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's actually practical or if it's

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Speaker 1: a good idea to withhold things like that from them

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Speaker 1: and not teach them how to navigate it because it

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Speaker 1: is the world that we live in.

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Speaker 2: Well, this really reminds me of the slender Man case,

578
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Speaker 2: where I think this was the first time we really

579
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Speaker 2: saw this horrible impact on children just having free reign

580
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Speaker 2: of the inner and going on creepy pasta and seeing

581
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: this mythical creature that was saying it was okay to

582
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Speaker 2: kill right, And they ended up stabbing that girl and

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Speaker 2: thankfully she survived. I mean, what if they executed this plan.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of bothered that they were. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know they're little kids, but they were only charged with

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Speaker 2: misdemeanors and their suspended pending expulsion. But like, is this

587
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Speaker 2: the only trouble they're getting in? Do they have to

588
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Speaker 2: go to mandated therapy? This is really concerning behavior for

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Speaker 2: little kids, It really it is.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, though, like their brains are not

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Speaker 1: formed even a little bit. It's just like you can't,

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Speaker 1: you can't. They're just they're they're literally like repeating something

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Speaker 1: that they think sounded cool. I just don't think I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not a psychologist and stuff, and

595
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Speaker 1: I'm sure people like Brian Coberger were screwed up their

596
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Speaker 1: whole life, and we're you know, the first sign of

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Speaker 1: someone camping out as a sociopath doesn't happen when they're

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Speaker 1: in their twenties or thirties, right, But it has to

599
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Speaker 1: start somewhere, And maybe one of the children that were

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Speaker 1: not remorseful has something going on that might come out

601
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Speaker 1: worse later when they're older. But just a lot of

602
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Speaker 1: it is just like I'm not one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing as explaining to my kids about

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Speaker 1: getting hit by a car. They don't really understand what

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Speaker 1: happens when you.

606
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Speaker 2: Get hit by a car.

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Speaker 1: They think it's like a ball and it's going to

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Speaker 1: bounce off and it'll like hurt, like when you fall

609
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Speaker 1: off your bike. They just don't understand that, like your

610
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Speaker 1: body's gonna get smeared along the sidewalk and do you

611
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like they just they don't know.

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Speaker 1: And that's why kids get hurt all the time doing

613
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Speaker 1: dumb shit because they just don't really understand the full

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Speaker 1: ramification of things. And kids just do other stuff all

615
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Speaker 1: the time and get in trouble because they just really

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Speaker 1: don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, another point I'm wanted to bring up

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Speaker 2: was the of course, the question is why were they

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Speaker 2: planning to kill this boy and they're saying it's because

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Speaker 2: he cheated in a relationship. Why are so many people

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Speaker 2: like this is a problem I've noticed lately. It's just

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Speaker 2: so many people are like talking about little kids like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they have a boyfriend, they have a girlfriend, Like stop

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Speaker 2: it their kids.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but like that's I mean even when

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Speaker 1: when I was in school in the eighties, it was

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Speaker 1: like it started in like third grade, like oh, he

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Speaker 1: has a crush on you, and this and that, like kids,

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Speaker 1: kids are just gonna be kids, and they like this

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Speaker 1: is when all their hormones are kicking in and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I noticed this with with my ten year old,

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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of drama associated with the like

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Speaker 1: change between being a child and then being a teenager.

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Speaker 2: And with all of the.

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Speaker 1: Girls and the boys too that because they just don't

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Speaker 1: know what these feelings they're experiencing and things like that.

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Speaker 1: And I think that there's a certain part of that.

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Speaker 1: You could look at movies from the fifties that display

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Speaker 1: this cute little relationlationships between children.

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Speaker 2: But does that make it right? I mean, the girls

641
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Speaker 2: even it's not.

642
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Speaker 1: Real, like it's just real though, okay that he likes

643
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: this person and likes this pi, but.

644
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Speaker 2: It's causing out real drama. Like the girls come home

645
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: from school when they're giving us their daily drama onload,

646
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: that's like childhood nonsense that we have to listen to.

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Speaker 2: They'll be like so and so got married to so

648
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Speaker 2: and so, but he wants to marry so and so.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, why is this causing real drama in

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Speaker 2: your life over these mythical relationships?

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Speaker 1: This is the thing when you're a parent, there's Listen.

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Speaker 1: If I had a choice, I'd be like, my kids

653
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: aren't dating until they're twenty five years old, really, because

654
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: their brains will be more developed, they'll be able to

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Speaker 1: handle it more, they won't get their heart broken as much.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

657
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: I want them to be like full established women before

658
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: they start dating, right, But like, reality is what reality is,

659
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: and you need to teach them how to navigate what's

660
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: happening in reality. Like listen, if there's every single parent

661
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: of kids that are in these grades can talk about

662
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: little love stories that their kids have, and nobody's talking

663
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: about murdering a child. So it's like this is just

664
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Speaker 1: like a weird, one off thing and no, I or

665
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: maybe not one off, but super rare, And.

666
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Speaker 2: I agree with that. It just made me want to

667
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: make a topic that it's a behavior. I've noticed a

668
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: lot where people talk about little kids having active boyfriend

669
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Speaker 2: and girlfriends. Yeah, I mean, I think it's bizarre.

670
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't push it for sure, because parents

671
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: could push anything on their kids and have it be okay, right.

672
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't sit there and be like, oh, so hoo,

673
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: do you think it's hot.

674
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: In your class? And this?

675
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: You know, like I'm not. But I also don't want

676
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: to be that parent that's like you're not allowed to

677
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: date because all kids do is do that shit behind

678
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: your back, like if you're if you're if you were

679
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: like a slimy kid, like I was, like you would

680
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: just my mom said not to watch MTV, So what

681
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: did I do? I watched MTV all day at my

682
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: friend's house. Like it's the same shit with YouTube, like

683
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: you can't if you tell them that they can't have it. Ever,

684
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: it's more about like monitoring a little bit more like

685
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: my approach has just let them on it a little bit.

686
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: They only could be on it X amount of hours

687
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: a day instead of free range of trying to be

688
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: in the middle a little bit.

689
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: But those couple.

690
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Speaker 1: Hours that they're on it, trust me, they're saying shit

691
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: that I don't want them to see.

692
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: You know, that's inevitable. Yeah, And I think if you

693
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: have a middle ground, like you're saying, give them a

694
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: little exposure, like you let them live your life, but

695
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: they also have an understanding that that's not acceptable behavior,

696
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: that's like what you have to do. Because I had

697
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: a friend growing up that's parents were like, never let

698
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: her do anything, they never let her leave, and then

699
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: the second she got older, she went crazy. So like,

700
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Speaker 2: you have that happen on one end, or you have

701
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Speaker 2: your kids, who are you know, eight years old having

702
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: TikTok on another end. So I think the middle ground

703
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Speaker 2: is where we need to meet. I just wanted to

704
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: take that as a time to talk about how I

705
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: noticed this is a trending thing lately. All right, let's

706
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: move on to our last story. So back in twenty

707
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Speaker 2: twenty two, a twenty four year old died in a

708
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Speaker 2: car accident, and when his family attended his viewing. A

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Speaker 2: week later, his body was covered in maggots at the

710
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Speaker 2: funeral home. So obviously this is not something that's normal.

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Speaker 1: No, no, it's not, and especially in a case like this,

712
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: So this is something that could happen if you ever

713
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: hear like, oh, they found a body in the river

714
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: or something like that, Well that person has been dead

715
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: for a while maybe, and that would be a reason

716
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: why you would see the body can decompose, and there's

717
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Speaker 1: oftentimes that funeral homes get decomposed bodies, to which they

718
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: will say to the family like, we highly, highly highly

719
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Speaker 1: advise that you do not have an open casket. And

720
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: in fact, some funeral homes will say we're not doing

721
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: an open casket because they can't make the person not

722
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: look green and bloated anymore and take away all of

723
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Speaker 1: the things that are happening when a person decomposes. And

724
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: once decomposition starts happening, you could still slow it down

725
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: with embombing and stuff, but like it's already in motion,

726
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: so it's just going to continue to start happening. So

727
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: in this case, it's very weird because and that's why

728
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I was really specifical on looking at the lawsuit and

729
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: seeing the times the guy died in a car accident,

730
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Speaker 1: which means that and according to the lawsuit too, he

731
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Speaker 1: died on this day and they called the funeral home

732
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: the day the guy died. So if someone dies drops dead,

733
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Speaker 1: however they die, and they go to the funeral home

734
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: that day, their body should automatically be put into refrigeration

735
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: or should be embombed immediately. And if that's not happening,

736
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: then the person's going to start decomposing. And that's what

737
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: happened in this case. I don't know where the lapse

738
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Speaker 1: of time was, but there was a whole entire seven

739
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: days before the person died and the viewing happened. And

740
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: in those seven days, in order to decompose to the

741
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Speaker 1: point where there's maggot activity, that the body was clearly

742
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: not in proper refrigeration and not embombed in a timely fashion.

743
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: Because even if you put the body person dies in

744
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: a car accident, you put them in the refrigerator, they're

745
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: not going to develop maggots in those in seven days.

746
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. So the only way that

747
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: it happened was that the person wasn't put into refrigeration

748
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: and I mean, think about the shock of going to

749
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: your loved one who died tragically in a car accident,

750
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: so an unexpected death, and then going to the funeral

751
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: and seeing maggots come out of their nose and their ears, Like,

752
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: that's so disturbing. They should one hundred percent sue this

753
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: funeral home for that.

754
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: Well, then, according to the family, somebody had screamed when

755
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: they saw the guy in the casket, and then they

756
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: were like, stop making a scene the funeral home. Okay,

757
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: that's an incredibly disturbing thing to see.

758
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine it. Do you think that the

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00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: person at the funeral home thought that. I mean, listen,

760
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: no one at the funeral home should ever be telling

761
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Speaker 1: a family not to cause a scene for anything, because.

762
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Speaker 2: People grieve in different ways.

763
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Speaker 1: They grieve in different ways, and they have very Sometimes

764
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Speaker 1: people have a very emotional response to seeing, you know,

765
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Speaker 1: their kid dead in a casket, right, Like, so even

766
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Speaker 1: if she was just screaming just because she was upset,

767
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: you should never be telling a person when you're the employee,

768
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: to like not cause a scene. That's weird, Yeah, because

769
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Speaker 1: this is not the first time somebody screamed at a

770
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Speaker 1: funeral home. I mean, it's not like a ninety five

771
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: year old man that lived a fulfilling life and he

772
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: died peacefully in his sleep. This is a person in

773
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Speaker 1: their twenties that died tragically already, and that could be

774
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: a horrific site in itself, seeing a properly embalmed person

775
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: laying in a casket, and then on top of it,

776
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: you see your loved one with bugs crawling all over

777
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: their face. It's disgusting. Yeah, So the I think it

778
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: was the mother in the lawsuit did mention that when

779
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Speaker 1: she went to the viewing that the room seemed to

780
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Speaker 1: be very warm, which what I mean really it shouldn't.

781
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: It shouldn't ever be, even if the body has been

782
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: properly refrigerated and embombed. But if it was, the maggots

783
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: don't happen right away, Like a fly has to first

784
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: land on the dead tissue, which they're attracted to because

785
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: of the decomposition, and then the eggs have to hatch.

786
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: It's a process. It's not something that just happened five

787
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: minutes prior to that viewing. So we've heard cases like

788
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: this before of where people are not put in a

789
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: proper refrigeration and that's what happens. I actually had an

790
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: autopsy once of the only pregnant person autopsy I did,

791
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Speaker 1: and the woman had died at a hospital in Philadelphia,

792
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: and we were doing the autopsia at another hospital in Philadelphia,

793
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: and there was a time where she left the one

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00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: hospital and went to the funeral home and was there

795
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Speaker 1: for twelve hours. But it was in the middle of

796
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: the dead hot summer heat wave in Philadelphia, and by

797
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: the time she got to us, she was decomposed. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, if she died at the hospit bittle

799
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Speaker 1: went to the funeral home, went in the fridge, and

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Speaker 1: then came to us and went and went in our fridge.

801
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Speaker 1: There's absolutely no way that she was green and bloated

802
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: at that point. So they did not put her in refrigeration,

803
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: which was a problem for our autopsy findings, honestly.

804
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Speaker 2: And that's like a whole other story.

805
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: But we've had stories on Mother Knows Death of people

806
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: not properly putting bodies into the refrigerator at a funeral home.

807
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: And that's what happens. All right, Let's move on to

808
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Speaker 2: questions of the day. Every Friday at the at Mother

809
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Speaker 2: Knows Death, Instagram account, You guys can head to our

810
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: story and ask whatever you want. Can you explain how

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Speaker 2: amniotic fluid embolism is a diagnosis of exclusion? Is there

812
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: no clear sign that was the cause of death? So

813
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: that's a really interesting thing. We wrote about this.

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Speaker 1: We did a celebrity death this section on nurse Hallie

815
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Speaker 1: that was at our New Grads. I'm sure lots of

816
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: you who are in the medical field were following her

817
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: on her social media and this was her cause of death,

818
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: So we did that pretty recently. But it's a very

819
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: so an amniotic embolism is when somehow the fetal tissue

820
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: gets into the maternal circulation and causes a reaction and

821
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Speaker 1: causes a mother to die shortly after either during childbirth

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00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: shortly after childbirth, And it's a very rare thing that happens,

823
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: but it happens, and it cannot really be predicted. There's

824
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: some risk factors that you should take into consideration, but

825
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: it's just something that kind of has to be dealt

826
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Speaker 1: with if it happens. So back in the day, they

827
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Speaker 1: would say that an amniotic fluid embolism could only be

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Speaker 1: diagnosed at autopsy and it would be at looking at

829
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Speaker 1: lung tissue under the microscope, and there you would see

830
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: fetal cells within the maternal circulation. But that's not really

831
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Speaker 1: the case anymore to say one hundred percent that that's

832
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Speaker 1: an amniotic embolism, because there have been cases where they've

833
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: done tissue, they've done autopsies, and they've seen tissue that

834
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Speaker 1: they could prove that there are fetal cells circulating in

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Speaker 1: the maternal circulation of people who have absolutely no complications

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Speaker 1: with childbirth. So that in itself is okay, yes, maybe

837
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: they had this, but it doesn't prove one hundred percent

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00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: that that's what killed them. It's called an amnionic fluid embolism,

839
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Speaker 1: and the word embolism means that cells are tissue or

840
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: whatever occurs in one part of the body and it

841
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: travels to another part of the body.

842
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: They're starting to think that.

843
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: That is that an amniotic fluid embolism probably isn't the

844
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: proper terminology, and they're thinking that it has to do

845
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: with those cells getting into the maternal circulation, but the

846
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: body actually having like an allergic reaction to those cells

847
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: that only happens in some people, and they're not really

848
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: sure why that happens. But the presentation is more of

849
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: what would happen if a person has a severe and

850
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: a flow reaction, like if they got stung by a

851
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: bee or something, rather than symptoms that you would see

852
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: with a true embolism. So when they say it's exclusionary,

853
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: it means that they looked at all of the other

854
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: things that it could have been and they said, Okay,

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00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: it definitely can't be this. And at autopsy we see

856
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: pulmonary edema, and we see the cells in the maternal circulation,

857
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Speaker 1: and we see hemorrhage.

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Speaker 2: Then with all that they could.

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00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: Say, Okay, it's it was an amniotic embolism was the

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00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: cause of death.

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Speaker 2: All right, two Nicole, what's with parasites and cleanses? Did

862
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: you ever find parasites during an autops.

863
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: So I cannot stand that shit like parasites are I

864
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: will say this in this country, it is rare to

865
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: get parasites. When you see it in this country a

866
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: lot of times, it's like it really is when people travel.

867
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Speaker 1: I mean you see them from time to time. But

868
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Speaker 1: like I've seen a couple parasitic effects working in a

869
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: large city hospital for years, and the only time I

870
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: saw it was in cytology specimens that would come down

871
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: before I was even a PA. I've never seen it

872
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: in an autopsy ever, that people that like all of

873
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: these videos are claiming that there's these parasite cleanses and stuff.

874
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: It's just it's just not true. And what are these

875
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: people's backgrounds that are even showing this, Like it's.

876
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: Not it's like fake wellness influencers who eat clean and

877
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: do parasite cleanses but then put all this botox and

878
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: filler in their face.

879
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: But some of them are showing pictures of the shit

880
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: that they say is coming out, and it's like, that's

881
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: not even what a parasite looks like. It looks like

882
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: it's like sloughed off mucosa or the lining of the

883
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: bow in some cases. But like when you see parasitic worms,

884
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: they look like worms. They don't look like a little

885
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: stringy things or whatever. And like, personally, I just think that,

886
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: and like any body that I've ever talked to all

887
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: thinks that this is just complete bullshit. Now I'll tell

888
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: you in the grossroom, I have some nasty, nasty cases

889
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: of parasitic infections, and all of them really, I would

890
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: say probably ninety nine percent of these cases are all

891
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: from other countries where people where there's not plumbing, like

892
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: things like that, where people are shitting out in public

893
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: and then they're they're eating from the soil with the

894
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: shit in it, and they're just transferring disease all over

895
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: the place. It's just it's just not happening where there's

896
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: plumbing and there's healthcare and everything. It's just not happening

897
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: as often. Not to say that it can't, because it

898
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: does certainly happen in America, but like the average person

899
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: that's just going about their day and stuff is not

900
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: having a parasitic infection. Listen, you would know if you

901
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: add a parasitic infection.

902
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: These people getting these capsules that have the parasites in

903
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: them to take them from like strange websites on the internet.

904
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 2: What the what are you talk These influencers are doing

905
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: these parasitic cleanses. Where are they getting them from? Well,

906
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: it's just I don't even know.

907
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: It's just like some kind of herbs and stuff that

908
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: they're saying or cleansing the parasites.

909
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: There's a whole other thing.

910
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's what you're talking about,

911
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: that people actually take parasites to lose weight.

912
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm talking about people who are taking

913
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: capsules with parasites in them, because that's that's like it's

914
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: different to your health.

915
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: They're losing weight. No, that's that's like a whole different thing.

916
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: The cleanse is like telling people if you take this

917
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: herbal supplement which probably has like center or something in

918
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: it that caused you know that that they give you

919
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: when whenever you need to like a laxative effect. Right,

920
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: It'll like you could take a laxative and cleanse yourself

921
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: out if you really want to write, if you really

922
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: think that you have parasites and stuff, you could do that.

923
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: But these ones are labeled parasite cleansed, but like it

924
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything in it that's different than anything else.

925
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: But sometimes people take supplements that are like tapeworm to

926
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: lose weight. You could and you could get them on

927
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: the internet somewhere.

928
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Like No, that's what I was thinking this whole time

929
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: you're talking about was now taking there's there's people The

930
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: cleanse is to just like you thinking that that, like

931
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: you listening to these influencers that all have parasites and

932
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: if you take this, you'll get rid of your parasites too,

933
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: and then the other one is intentionally ingesting parasites so

934
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: you could lose weight. No, that's what I'm talking about

935
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: with the influencers. Influencers is that they're pushing taking parasites

936
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: to cleanse their body.

937
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I know, I know there's some of them that are

938
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: doing that too, but that's not what the typical parasite

939
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: cleanse is considered. Like there's influencers that take these parasite

940
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: cleanses and show piece like like pictures of their ship

941
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: and say like, look at all these worms that were

942
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: inside of me, and you're like, that's not worms, but okay, Like,

943
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: but I mean they go viral and people it's it's

944
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: a big business. But I mean you do you get

945
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: get it if you want, but like it's you don't

946
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: need to go take a doll Collex or something.

947
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: All right, last question is for me, given everything we know,

948
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: were you a MySpace scene queen or more emo? And

949
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: did you go to warp Tour. I wanted to be

950
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: a scene queen, but I was too ugly, so I

951
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: just stop. I'm joking. I was obsessed with Audrey, Kitchen, Reckillery,

952
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: Jack Vanik, all of them. I had all their bracelets.

953
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: Of course I went to Warp Tour because that's where

954
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: I had to buy the bracelets. I had these amazing

955
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: Jeffree Star ones. I had the coolest Jeffrey Star hoodie ever. Yeah,

956
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 2: of course I went to Warp Tour. It's my first

957
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: concert ever. You brought me for the first time.

958
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: When I was eleven, and it just kind of I

959
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: think that, like since I was with Maria during this

960
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: whole phase, which was terrible, by the way, I think

961
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: the scene Queen, like any kind of these looks that

962
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: you commit to are a lot of work. Like do

963
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: you ever watch a person that's like there's all these

964
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: videos that showed now like a really goth person that

965
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: they get a makeover and it makes them look like,

966
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, they have like aenormy yeah, like enormy Right.

967
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 1: When I look at these in particular, like a goth

968
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: person like that or something, I'm like, that's a lot

969
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: of maintenance every day, and and man, Maria, well, I

970
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: am a fairly low maintenance person as far as like

971
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't go get my hair done all the time.

972
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: I get it cut once a year.

973
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't dye my hair, like I don't wear makeup

974
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: if I don't have to. The only maintenance I do

975
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: is like getting my nails done every three weeks, right,

976
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to get dressed up every day

977
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: when you're a seeing queen. It was just like, wasn't it,

978
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: Like the really hot pink hair and the crazy eyeliner

979
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: and the crazy.

980
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: Makeup and the full outfit.

981
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: It's just like a lot every day to commit to

982
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: something like that.

983
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: It was like extremely teased out hair with like long

984
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: extensions called coon tails where you would like dyet to

985
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: look like raccoon, and then you had to wear the

986
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: crazy wing the eyeliner and bows and hello kitty barets.

987
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: Like it was.

988
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: There was lots of the race like it's just like

989
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: too much to do every day, but you need to

990
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: go to school, and like I know a lot of

991
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: people like look at people and there's all sorts of things.

992
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: There's like the the emo seeing queens and the goth people.

993
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: There's like whole groups of people.

994
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: But I always look at those people and I'm like, damn,

995
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: like that, that's like dedication. It's a lot of work

996
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: to do that every single day, and I just don't,

997
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: like I'm just too lazy, Like I just want to

998
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: walk around and like flip flops and a T shirt

999
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: every day and like get dressed up on occasion.

1000
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: And I feel like.

1001
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: Maria was the same way. Like I'm just kind of

1002
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: like you want to wake up an hour and a

1003
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: half before school every day to like do your hair

1004
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: and makeup so you could like look like this every day.

1005
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: It's just a lot. Listen. I tried. It just wasn't

1006
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: for me. I was obsessed with the look. It just

1007
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 2: wasn't happening. I eventually settled on having you dye strips

1008
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: of red in my hair, and then I wore my

1009
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: Chemical Romance t shirts and kind of settled it there.

1010
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I've talked about this. I

1011
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: had this like pivotal point in my childhood where you

1012
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: were like you could get this build a bear, or

1013
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: you could get this T shirt that says I love

1014
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: boys who wear eyeliner, And that's what I was, like,

1015
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: it's like growing up today or what it was from touring.

1016
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that day. It was like so funny,

1017
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: it's so stupid.

1018
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but that was like one hundred percent of

1019
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: the scene of like what you were into. And I

1020
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: just I don't know, it's just like far from what

1021
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: I was into. But Maria was full on in it,

1022
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: and I tried to support her in it by taking

1023
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: her to like, well.

1024
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: You took me to Warp Tour in two thousand and six,

1025
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: which was my first concert ever, and that's like where

1026
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: I got introduced. I was already into a lot of

1027
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: the music at that point, but that's where I got

1028
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: introduced to, like Thursday, the casualties, like a bunch of

1029
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: SKA bands and stuff. So that was a really cool experience,

1030
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 2: and then I went every year throughout my teens. Basically,

1031
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: my dream when I was a teenager was to be

1032
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: a photographer on the Warp Tour, which, upon reflection and

1033
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: my husband having worked at a music venue, would have

1034
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: been a horrible idea because young girls like me get

1035
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: preyed on by these predators and these bands, so it

1036
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: probably would have been a horrible choice, but it worked out.

1037
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: I would have liked it at the time, That's what

1038
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: I said, because I'll be talking about a band I like,

1039
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: and Ricky's like, that guy's a scumbag. He was banging

1040
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: sixteen year olds in the back of the venue I

1041
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: worked at, and I'm like, yeah, but I would have

1042
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: thought that was the coolest.

1043
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: I would have been one of them, and that would

1044
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: that would have been amazing.

1045
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: I would have thought I was special exactly. So upon reflection,

1046
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: it's probably better it didn't work out that way. But

1047
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 2: that was most of my youths, shooting shows every single weekend,

1048
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: and Warped Tour was definitely a large part of it.

1049
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you guys so much. Don't forget

1050
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: to buy tickets for our Atlanta meet and greet and

1051
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: the Crime and Wine. And did you say that you

1052
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: were going, because I know, I don't think I even

1053
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: said I was going. Originally I didn't think I could

1054
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: go to Atlanta, but just in the last week or two,

1055
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: I am now going, So I will also be there

1056
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: at the meet and greet in the Crime and Wine.

1057
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: So tickets for that you could buy in the description

1058
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,120
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1059
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: media head over to Apple or Spotify. Please leave us

1060
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,800
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1061
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,520
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00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,640
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1063
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: Well, don't forget to mention that we're gonna have books

1064
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: for sale.

1065
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have books for sale that I'll sign

1066
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: for you, and maybe some special vouchers for the gross room. Sophie,

1067
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: We'll say we'll see you guys soon. Saya.

1068
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death. As a reminder,

1069
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

1070
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

1071
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,320
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1072
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

1073
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

1074
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1075
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1076
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

1077
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,840
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1078
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Speaker 1: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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Speaker 1: subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or

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Speaker 1: anywhere you get podcasts. Thanks