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Speaker 1: episode number sixty five. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we've got so much to talk about today. Happy Halloween
Speaker 1: all you guys out there listening. But we're gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and jump right in. Um, I guess the news
Speaker 1: begins with what the way it started? Last night? We
Speaker 1: get word that there was a ruling in the Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliot case he was not grant at the injunction and Dave,
Speaker 1: I guess, let's let's turn you. You basically tell me
Speaker 1: what you really want to do that I do spend
Speaker 1: five minutes saying we weren't going to get her ruling yesterday.
Speaker 1: You've quickly become our legal expert on this ship. That's
Speaker 1: my point. I'm not. I try to tell you all that, backup,
Speaker 1: back up, there are a bunch of guys that are
Speaker 1: legal experts that botched, I shouldn't even say botched this,
Speaker 1: that had a completely different opinion of what was going
Speaker 1: to happen than what actually happened. So the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is, I don't think anybody other than the
Speaker 1: judge knows in these instances how they're going to turn out.
Speaker 1: But tell us what that means, what would basically what
Speaker 1: happened yesterday and what that means for Zeke going forward. Well,
Speaker 1: Zeke and his crew had a two hour hearing with
Speaker 1: Judge Catherine Failure Faila. I don't know yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the one that we've been talking about for
Speaker 1: two weeks. The hearing that came after the temporary restraining
Speaker 1: order was granted before the San Francisco game. She went
Speaker 1: back to her chambers and deliberated and wrote her out
Speaker 1: and denied the preliminary injunction, pulled it and there's a
Speaker 1: twenty four hour delay, meaning you know, so tonight Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott's suspension is in line to go into effect. He
Speaker 1: is still consulting with his legal team. The NFLPA and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys legal team to decide what to do. He
Speaker 1: can appeal it, he can go after that in bank
Speaker 1: hearing that we talked about a couple weeks ago. Don't
Speaker 1: ask me what that means. I don't really know. We
Speaker 1: were just talking about this before the show started. There
Speaker 1: are ways that he can still fight this, but I
Speaker 1: am dubious that there are ways he can fight this
Speaker 1: and remain on the football field, like there are. He
Speaker 1: can appeal this and and ask for another injunction, but
Speaker 1: everything I've read describes it as like a nearly zero
Speaker 1: percent chance. Because this is the same district that denied
Speaker 1: Tom Brady that and forced him to take his four
Speaker 1: game suspension. That's why the NFL wanted to file here.
Speaker 1: That's why everybody was talking about New York and the
Speaker 1: second district. So, you know, barring something crazy, it sounds
Speaker 1: like I said, he can fight this, however far hard
Speaker 1: he wants to fight it, but he's gonna be doing
Speaker 1: it while he's suspended. More than likely, that's what it
Speaker 1: looks like right now. How much did you see from
Speaker 1: the as far as the rationale, the ruling of the
Speaker 1: judge here and why she ruled a way that she did, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I did. I mean I read through it last night.
Speaker 1: The big one of the big things that I came
Speaker 1: away with first. I mean, you know, she said, you know,
Speaker 1: Zeke and his team had ample opportunity to make their
Speaker 1: case to the NFL arbitrator Harold Henderson, going way back
Speaker 1: to August. She also said something that I disagree with.
Speaker 1: I feel weird for quibbling with this, but but she
Speaker 1: had something in her in her decision that basically said,
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke's whole argument for this is that it
Speaker 1: would cause irreparable harm, you know, for him not to
Speaker 1: be on the football field. And she said, basically, I
Speaker 1: don't buy that because, just like in any other labor dispute,
Speaker 1: you know, monetary awards can be given out afterward and
Speaker 1: that's sufficient or whatever. And I read that and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is somebody who like doesn't follow football
Speaker 1: or sports really is basically understand comes down to, because
Speaker 1: that's that's six games that can go toward you know,
Speaker 1: NFL Offensive Player of the Year or getting your team
Speaker 1: to the playoffs or and that's not a monetary value
Speaker 1: necessarily winning a championship that you don't put a money
Speaker 1: on that, right winning a championship. That's six games that
Speaker 1: he won't have to help him go toward Cowboys and
Speaker 1: NFL rushing records and those types of things. Um, So
Speaker 1: I just I don't buy that in the slightest. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it feels I feel weird quibbling about it,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you take this back,
Speaker 1: we're arguing about a very serious issue and whether you know,
Speaker 1: obviously this case isn't about whether or not he's guilty
Speaker 1: of domestic violence, but it all stems back to domestic
Speaker 1: violence allegations. So, like I said, it feels like a quibble.
Speaker 1: But I don't think she could be more wrong about
Speaker 1: that in the sense that, yeah, you can award him
Speaker 1: money for the lost games later and that's fine, but
Speaker 1: he will never get this back in terms of I mean,
Speaker 1: the average NFL running back career is not long, and
Speaker 1: that's a healthy chunk of games behind a great offensive
Speaker 1: line that he won't have. He's averaging one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five yards per game right now, so you're talking
Speaker 1: about several hundred rushing yards and touchdowns and chances to
Speaker 1: you know, build his legacy that he will never get back.
Speaker 1: So I didn't agree with that at all. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely wrong. I mean, it's unbelievable that anybody would
Speaker 1: would say that and not understand the dynamics of this thing.
Speaker 1: When you get drafted fourth overall, you get drafted, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a sense of security, there's some guarantees that you're
Speaker 1: going to be here, and you know, if Zeke comes back,
Speaker 1: and to my understanding, if he comes back and gets
Speaker 1: at an injury and it's career threatening, I mean, he
Speaker 1: has no guarantees anymore. All of those guarantees of a
Speaker 1: first round pick are gone because they get voided when
Speaker 1: you get suspended like this, and that's nothing that the
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones can say, you know what, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and do. It's not something that they can do.
Speaker 1: That's an NFL policy. So you take that in into consideration.
Speaker 1: The lack of endorsements that will probably be there probably
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that won't be there because of this.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of money that that's lost in this situation,
Speaker 1: not to mention all the legal fees that he's paying
Speaker 1: for this. So I mean, I think he should keep
Speaker 1: going as far as he can. But it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like there's there's a lot of options. Well, I think
Speaker 1: this is going to continue. I mean, it's still going
Speaker 1: to go into twenty eighteen. I would guess. I doubt
Speaker 1: that this is just going to be the end of it.
Speaker 1: In terms of Zeke's case against the NFL, we'll think
Speaker 1: about it. All this was was just the injunction. The
Speaker 1: injunction simply just hasn't gone to give him relief until
Speaker 1: the case goes through court. Right so the case, this
Speaker 1: doesn't stop the case from going through court. It's still
Speaker 1: going to happen the league is I mean, he's still
Speaker 1: gonna at some point be heard by I assume some
Speaker 1: court in his case that the NFL was unfair and
Speaker 1: how they handled this whole situation and so. But that's
Speaker 1: not going to change him playing right now. I don't
Speaker 1: think it doesn't. I don't think there's a lot he
Speaker 1: can do to try to get back on the field
Speaker 1: without serving this suspension. I've been wrong. I was wrong yesterday.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But that's what it looks like right now. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, No good. It's just you know, and Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones talked about it on the fan this morning. It's
Speaker 1: just it's it's a crappy situation. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're so far past the point
Speaker 1: of what actually happened between him and Tiffany Thompson in
Speaker 1: July of twenty sixteen, and at this point it's just
Speaker 1: a ridiculous mess that. Yeah, I mean, the NFL once again,
Speaker 1: I don't think could have handled this much worse. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Jerry, and you mentioned the NFL not handling things
Speaker 1: much worse. Let me give you some of the quotes
Speaker 1: from Jerry this morning. He was actually pretty fourth right,
Speaker 1: and and we harkened back to earlier this year when
Speaker 1: he was saying, I'm not going to say a whole
Speaker 1: lot about the Zeke situation. I'll say that, and it
Speaker 1: seems like this morning he doesn't have a whole honey
Speaker 1: right now. He's like this morning was the moment when
Speaker 1: he decided I'm tired of saving it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: throw it out there. But here were some of the quotes.
Speaker 1: He said, Elliot's decision, the Ellott decision absolutely was made
Speaker 1: to appease the public. But that was a pretty big
Speaker 1: statement to make. And then he said, speaking of Roger Goodell,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm sure he'd like to have he'd like
Speaker 1: to take back his stance on Rice and others because
Speaker 1: of that that Zeke is an overcorrection. Again, very very
Speaker 1: big statement. When you hear those things, What do you
Speaker 1: think I mean from the standpoint of just kind of
Speaker 1: how Jerry is not only not only talking about this
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of what this means, like why this
Speaker 1: is all happening, but also kind of pointing a little
Speaker 1: bit at Goodell, pointing a lot at Goodell and saying
Speaker 1: that this is really him trying to make up four
Speaker 1: things that he is screwed up in the past. Another
Speaker 1: one not to criticize you, I think another big one
Speaker 1: you left out of there is he said, under this
Speaker 1: same CBA that was agreed upon in twenty eleven, twenty ten,
Speaker 1: whenever that was, Zeke would be playing two years ago,
Speaker 1: two years ago, Zeke would be playing under the same CBA.
Speaker 1: But because of things that have happened that the NFL mishandled.
Speaker 1: I really and like I said, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know for sure what didn't didn't happen that summer, but
Speaker 1: I do know that this is a classic case of
Speaker 1: a massive organization over correcting, you know, and like, I
Speaker 1: feel bad because you wind up having to paint in
Speaker 1: broad strokes. But I absolutely think that this is a
Speaker 1: result of Roger Goodell and the NFL feeling embarrassed and
Speaker 1: not wanting to further embarrass themselves over things that they've
Speaker 1: mishandled in the past. That's absolutely what I think. I mean, frankly,
Speaker 1: the way I look at I think people realized that
Speaker 1: the way that whole situation with Ray Rice, the way
Speaker 1: it played out, was it looked bad on the league.
Speaker 1: But I'm totally a believer in the fact that the
Speaker 1: league that didn't have to go the route of saying, okay,
Speaker 1: because of that, we're going to now start doing our
Speaker 1: own investigations and figure out how we can penalize guys,
Speaker 1: whether the legal system does it or not. I think
Speaker 1: there was still a middle ground of saying, look, we'll
Speaker 1: go with whatever is happening in the courts. If the
Speaker 1: courts find you guilty, you're obviously going to get a penalty.
Speaker 1: But if they don't and there's not enough evidence there
Speaker 1: there's a middle ground. And if if something comes out
Speaker 1: later that changes in let's say it's a tape video,
Speaker 1: then then yes, react to the tape. It's okay to
Speaker 1: see the tape and be appalled by the tape and
Speaker 1: say this was not evidence that we had before, because
Speaker 1: if you remember back in that situation, it wasn't that
Speaker 1: the tape came out, it was that there was in
Speaker 1: There were indications that maybe the league knew about the
Speaker 1: tape before it came out and didn't do anything. That's
Speaker 1: a whole different situation. So I just think that it's
Speaker 1: almost like they were waiting for a tape this time,
Speaker 1: almost were waiting for some kind of video that would
Speaker 1: surface and say, well, this is kind of why we're
Speaker 1: dragging our feet on this or whatever. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: putting it, putting all of the thoughts together. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know exactly what to make
Speaker 1: of that what Jerry said. There's a lot more going
Speaker 1: on in that dynamic with Jerry versus the League versus Goodell.
Speaker 1: There's been all these reports about Jerry's the one that's
Speaker 1: kind of stopping this new contract for for Goodell. So
Speaker 1: anytime there's a chance to kind of go at each other,
Speaker 1: you're definitely seeing that this is going to be an
Speaker 1: interesting how all of this plays out when I say
Speaker 1: all this, I mean even the contract extinction for Goodell
Speaker 1: they in another was four years. I think the CBA
Speaker 1: is gonna expire something, and then you're in a situation
Speaker 1: where you know the league will be negotiating again on
Speaker 1: a CBA. So whoever sitting in Goodell's seat, whether it's
Speaker 1: Goodell or someone else, that's important, right. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of dynamics to this Z case that extend well
Speaker 1: beyond Z and and and for the NFLPA, they're probably
Speaker 1: looking at this too, and it's probably giving them like,
Speaker 1: even though this only affects a small group of guys,
Speaker 1: you've now had two superstars in the league in two
Speaker 1: consecutive years that have had to deal with core cases
Speaker 1: with the NFL. Does it become a situation where although
Speaker 1: it only affects a small number of them, that the
Speaker 1: players start to say, we still have to address this
Speaker 1: because it's not only it's not a situation necessarily of
Speaker 1: just bad guys doing bad things. Sometimes it's guys being
Speaker 1: falsely accused of things and the league is taking out
Speaker 1: harsh punishment on them for things they don't feel like
Speaker 1: they've done wrong. I don't know how this couldn't be
Speaker 1: like one of your top priorities if if I was
Speaker 1: a player, could Yeah, I mean because it could be you, right,
Speaker 1: it's a tiny minority of guys. But all it takes
Speaker 1: is the wrong set of circumstances, being in the wrong
Speaker 1: place at the wrong time, getting involved with the wrong person, whatever,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, this is you. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate for Zeke and the Cowboys that I mean,
Speaker 1: it's too late for him. But I guess if there's
Speaker 1: a if there's an upshot of this whole thing, like
Speaker 1: there's there's just gotta be a better way to do this.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, domestic violence is so heinous and
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry said that today. If you know, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're guilty of domestic violence, you should not be playing.
Speaker 1: But Ezekiel Elliott has not even been charged with anything
Speaker 1: in the American court system, let alone proven guilty of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the fact that a multi billion dollar organization can
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, play judge, jury and executioner with
Speaker 1: your life and your career, that would be terrifying to
Speaker 1: me if I was an NFL player. You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I was having a conversation this morning with Shannon Gross,
Speaker 1: who does the Hanging with the Boys show, and we
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about this, and he had an idea,
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, if you really if
Speaker 1: you're the NFL and you really want to do if
Speaker 1: you really want to get into the business of doing
Speaker 1: investigations and figuring out, you know, guilt or innocence and
Speaker 1: then doling out punishment, why wouldn't you just have a
Speaker 1: completely separate group, like a group that's not owned by
Speaker 1: the league. This is a group that both the league
Speaker 1: and NFLPA go fifty fifty and pay for, and it
Speaker 1: is a group that is made up of legal professionals.
Speaker 1: These are people who have worked in law enforcement investigations
Speaker 1: their entire career, and all they do is look at
Speaker 1: issues that come up in the NFL with players. They
Speaker 1: investigate them, they come up with a decision, and they
Speaker 1: decide what the punishment should be. It takes it out
Speaker 1: of the league's hands. The league doesn't have to worry
Speaker 1: about it. But you have competent people who are looking
Speaker 1: at that kind of stuff. And it's not one way
Speaker 1: or the other. Both pay the salary, right, both NFLPA
Speaker 1: and the league pay the salary of this group, and
Speaker 1: then it keeps it to where it's it really should
Speaker 1: be just based upon looking at the facts and making
Speaker 1: a decision if the NFL is going to stay in
Speaker 1: the business of investigations. Right, the cynical side of me
Speaker 1: would suggest that the NFL doesn't want to give up
Speaker 1: control of what happens in these situations. And that's I
Speaker 1: think still goes by problem. Right, that's the problem of
Speaker 1: Harold Henderson shouldn't be the appeal guy. It just says
Speaker 1: it seems like, hey, we've decided to spend him two
Speaker 1: games for an illegal hit. He's appealing it. Hey two games,
Speaker 1: he's appealing it. You know, it opens the door. He
Speaker 1: comes out like, yeah, I still I still think so
Speaker 1: too gay? Yeah, sorry, your pills denied? I mean it,
Speaker 1: yeah right, we heard. Oh I know, we don't agree.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't trust that the NFL actually
Speaker 1: wants that. But I mean, and the NFLPA, maybe they
Speaker 1: should be stronger, I don't. I mean, they get they
Speaker 1: get roasted all the time for being the weakest of
Speaker 1: all of the you know, professional sports league player unions.
Speaker 1: So like I said, I'm I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: have the answers. But this system sucks. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: the league should want that because right now, I think
Speaker 1: the problem is the league spending way more time dealing
Speaker 1: with things that aren't about football. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: it's it's affecting their product. And I think fans are
Speaker 1: seeing that too. I think fans are like, Man, I
Speaker 1: just want to know that when I sit down and
Speaker 1: watch my game, I'm gonna see my players that I
Speaker 1: expect to see. I don't want to be up to
Speaker 1: having to hear about court cases like it's not while
Speaker 1: I tune in the football. I'm exhausted by this and
Speaker 1: I'm technically getting paid to cover it and talk about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't imagine if this was just like
Speaker 1: my hobby and my escape from life, if I had
Speaker 1: to hear about this crap every time I turned on
Speaker 1: the break. So I empathize with all of y'all. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but that's where we are. Yeah, the Cowboys lose a
Speaker 1: running back for six games and the Eagles get one.
Speaker 1: Nick you have to kill every I'm gonna get to that. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: let's go transition. All right, let's take it. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break. We come back from our break. Before we
Speaker 1: get to that, because we're gonna talk about the trade
Speaker 1: deadline and what other teams are doing and maybe what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should be doing. I do want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit, go into some detail about what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have to do now without Ezekiel Leather for the
Speaker 1: next six games. And I want to get these guys
Speaker 1: opinions on whether they think the Cowboys can win. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna go game by game over the next six
Speaker 1: whether you think they can win or lose without Ezekiel Elia.
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Speaker 1: at the Star. We're talking about Ezekiel Elliott. He is
Speaker 1: now as of right now as this moment, suspended six games,
Speaker 1: the next six games for the Cowboys. So what I
Speaker 1: want to do is I want to go through some
Speaker 1: of these games and get your opinions. This is this
Speaker 1: is a part of the season where at least for
Speaker 1: the next three weeks Cowboys are gonna be playing three
Speaker 1: teams that are, in my opinion, pretty much two of
Speaker 1: the three are locks I think for the playoffs. One
Speaker 1: of them was in the Super Bowl last year. So
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough road for the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: all six of these games. But I want to go
Speaker 1: through and just get your opinions and how you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can do. What you based on what you
Speaker 1: know now of these teams, because things can change, but
Speaker 1: based on what you know now of these teams, whether
Speaker 1: you think thumbs up, you think the Cowboys win that game,
Speaker 1: can win the game against whoever it is without Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Levey or thumbs down, you don't think there's a great
Speaker 1: chance for them to win. Let's start with Kansas City
Speaker 1: this weekend. Cowboys can win without Zeke Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna mess up your game. I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a chance to win every game. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really do. It doesn't I mean, we know this
Speaker 1: everything you don't think I guess just if we want
Speaker 1: to just paint it as a broad thing. You don't
Speaker 1: think that this necessarily changes their ability to win. It
Speaker 1: changes the ability to win. It doesn't mean that you
Speaker 1: can't win, but it decreases the ability to win because
Speaker 1: he is a better player and he can extend drives
Speaker 1: better than the other two guys that you have. But
Speaker 1: this offensive line is playing better that they're getting into
Speaker 1: a groove. They're getting into a groove with Zeke, but
Speaker 1: they were getting into a groove and I think running
Speaker 1: backs they can move the ball and be efficient. But
Speaker 1: everybody else on this team's gonna have to step up.
Speaker 1: The defense is gonna have to play better, and they
Speaker 1: have been playing well, and that's the sad part. They
Speaker 1: got to play better. The receivers have to get open,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna take more from every single person. But
Speaker 1: do they have a chance. Sure? Okay, So just to
Speaker 1: give people kind of a some way to kind of
Speaker 1: quantify that, let's assume that with Zeke they were at
Speaker 1: a ten on chances to win. Where would they be
Speaker 1: now without Zeke? On a scale of one to ten, six,
Speaker 1: you could almost say, well, they weren't at a ten anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm no, that's what I'm saying, yeah, you get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not saying that that they were necessarily
Speaker 1: going to win all those games. I'm saying that if
Speaker 1: you just assume with Zeke ten was the max. Without Zeke,
Speaker 1: where are they? You know, you say six? Right? Six?
Speaker 1: I like that. I mean I got thirteen stakes ober here.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's weird, be like, I don't think this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with Nak. I don't think it changes it that drastically.
Speaker 1: But the problem is they're about to play some really
Speaker 1: good teams that are that were better than them when
Speaker 1: they had Zeke. In my opinion, like I I don't
Speaker 1: like their chances on Sunday against the Chiefs of Zeke
Speaker 1: is in the lineup, to be perfectly honest, just based
Speaker 1: on what I've seen of the Chiefs um Philly interesting
Speaker 1: because Jason Peters is out now, but that defense is
Speaker 1: still gross in a good way, and that that hurts
Speaker 1: when you don't have a guy like Zeke who can
Speaker 1: turn a zero yard gain into a three yard game. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, obviously they're not remotely as good of a
Speaker 1: team without Ezekiel Elliott, but I think they can still
Speaker 1: follow the blueprint that they've been following, and it should
Speaker 1: give them a chance to be competitive in most of
Speaker 1: these games. Yeah, but I think what you just said
Speaker 1: kind of illustrates how I think about it that in
Speaker 1: those games against those teams that they need to get
Speaker 1: wins over, their chances of winning those games was has
Speaker 1: been harmed quite a bit because of the fact that
Speaker 1: they don't have what they need. Like you're playing a
Speaker 1: team like Kansas City. Kansas City's offense, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is one of the best in the league. They've got
Speaker 1: game like, they got guys that can in one play
Speaker 1: go to distance right on a return, on a catch,
Speaker 1: on a run, it doesn't matter. They can go to
Speaker 1: distance on any one play when you're playing this defense.
Speaker 1: That's not really an opinion so much as a fact. Right,
Speaker 1: did you get Brian's stat sheet this morning? No, I
Speaker 1: haven't looked at. It breaks down like everything they're good
Speaker 1: at and where they rank in the league. First, Kansas
Speaker 1: City has just won all the way down the pitch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so my point is that in order for you
Speaker 1: to beat a team like that, number one, you got
Speaker 1: to keep their offense off the field, which you need
Speaker 1: a good running back to do that, and number two,
Speaker 1: their defenses in the slouch. So you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: be able to drive the ball and be able to
Speaker 1: get those that one yard game, turn that one yard
Speaker 1: game into a three yard game, a four yard game.
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen yet. It doesn't mean they can't
Speaker 1: do it. I haven't seen yet this team function in
Speaker 1: that way without Ezekiel Elliott. I haven't seen Dak be
Speaker 1: the guy without Ezekiel Elliott. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that haven't been seen yet. And so for me, I
Speaker 1: look at this and I'm like, I think I can't
Speaker 1: really say that. I think that this will not be
Speaker 1: an appreciable difference than what we've seen just because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet. I don't know. I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that. Really. I will be surprised if they completely
Speaker 1: lose the ability to run the foot. Yeah, Like if
Speaker 1: they just can't do it, if it looks like Denver
Speaker 1: all over again, that would surprise me. I know it's preseason,
Speaker 1: but we saw these guys play just fine all through
Speaker 1: the preseason. Darren McFadden and Alfred Morris. We're having, you know,
Speaker 1: eight carries forty nine yards, nine carries fifty six yards
Speaker 1: rod Smith. I know it was garbage time, but he
Speaker 1: looked great against the forty nine ers in the fourth quarters.
Speaker 1: So like, if if they just completely lose the ability
Speaker 1: to run the football, that would surprise me a lot.
Speaker 1: But you just lost arguably the best running back in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Like, it's not gonna be as pretty. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna have as you know, the potential for game
Speaker 1: breaking plays quite as much. Again, probably the most important thing.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if you have that battering ram
Speaker 1: player that can consistently turn nothing into something, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. And this is this is definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be a different approach that they can't go into
Speaker 1: it like they've done with you know, Morris gets a series,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's it. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: the backup is going to get one series. I think
Speaker 1: you'll see whoever that they decide to start. If they
Speaker 1: decide to start Morris and then go McFadden or or
Speaker 1: the just just leap frog Morris with McFadden, or if
Speaker 1: rod Smith jumps out, I mean they're gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see the dynamic of it. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if you see four different players in this
Speaker 1: game with five carries or more, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that that'll happen. Take me back to twenty fifteen, that
Speaker 1: was the last time this team didn't have Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: And going back to what you said a little bit earlier, Dave,
Speaker 1: they were they were. They didn't fall off the map.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like they couldn't run the ball. But I
Speaker 1: do remember there were games. I think I remember you
Speaker 1: guys probably a lot better than that. There were games
Speaker 1: when and in moments when they wanted to run the
Speaker 1: ball and could not do it very effectively. That I
Speaker 1: think may be the difference if I'm remembering that correctly,
Speaker 1: and so yes saying they won't completely fall off. That's
Speaker 1: one thing. They may be able to have yards at
Speaker 1: certain times and games, But when they really need to
Speaker 1: run the ball, will they be able to run the ball.
Speaker 1: That's the big difference. I think the differences between those
Speaker 1: teams are this. Number one, you've got a better offensive
Speaker 1: line than you had then in twenty fifteen. There's no
Speaker 1: way that just from the three all pros you've got,
Speaker 1: they're better players than they were then. And then they
Speaker 1: have to be um. I think that the left guard
Speaker 1: was Lyell Collins. Now it's Jonathan Cooper. I think Cooper
Speaker 1: is better than than Collins was as a rookie rookie
Speaker 1: guard and I you know, I'm Doug Free was kind
Speaker 1: of banged up a little bit Collins. They might not
Speaker 1: be as good right there, but their quarterback is better.
Speaker 1: He's more polished than than they than down the stretch there,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you can say McFadden maybe he's
Speaker 1: lost a step, but he hasn't had a lot of
Speaker 1: wear and tear on him since that twenty fifteen So
Speaker 1: you got Morris, you got me faddened. They should have
Speaker 1: some fresh legs. You know, they're capable backs. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a drop off. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they can't. You know, it's gonna be exactly the same,
Speaker 1: but I think they can get the job done. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have played teams this year with backs that probably
Speaker 1: aren't as good, and and it happens there's the NFL
Speaker 1: teams out there that don't have what the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: right now, even without seek well, I I one hundred
Speaker 1: percent agree with that, and I think they've done a
Speaker 1: good job as good a job being ready for this
Speaker 1: as they could be expected to. But that twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: team was bad in short yardage, and I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I obvious the quarterback situation is so much better, but
Speaker 1: I don't know that I agree that this line is
Speaker 1: better than that line right now. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is like Zeke is basically just like a cinder block.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I think about that fourth down against
Speaker 1: the Packers where it's four yeah, the fourth and win
Speaker 1: where he gets four yeah, and well, and the stretch
Speaker 1: all all of that, Oh that play. I'm sorry. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have gone forward on fourth and short six times
Speaker 1: this year. Do you think they're gonna do that without Zeke?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think Jason Garrett has the confidence
Speaker 1: to do that without Zeke in the lineup. We'll see
Speaker 1: if I'm right or wrong. But he went forward on
Speaker 1: fourth in a long one at midfield against the Redskins
Speaker 1: because he knew on top of the line, he's got
Speaker 1: a damn battering ram back there. And maybe Rod Smith
Speaker 1: can do it. He's a big guy, he's six three,
Speaker 1: But we haven't seen that. And I wonder if they'll
Speaker 1: have the confidence to play that way. I don't know
Speaker 1: that they will, and I don't know that again, I
Speaker 1: don't know how good it's gonna look when it comes
Speaker 1: time where you've got to get two yards. And that's
Speaker 1: what works with the thing that I would be concerned
Speaker 1: about here is, you know, the guy that I think
Speaker 1: can get the job done is McFadden. I really think that.
Speaker 1: But he's been out for so long that his biggest
Speaker 1: problem is hanging onto the football. I mean, and when
Speaker 1: you're not in there, I mean, you know, they're not
Speaker 1: popping and hitting people in practice, even though guys tend
Speaker 1: to get hurt on Wednesdays around here, so maybe they are.
Speaker 1: But um, I just I feel like him kind of
Speaker 1: being out of the fray for that long and then
Speaker 1: kind of getting getting in there and getting that first hit.
Speaker 1: I wonder about the rust there and hanging onto the football,
Speaker 1: but I mean, he'll have fresh legs, but you but
Speaker 1: you wonder about the flip side there too. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be a tough situation, I think.
Speaker 1: And I do wonder if we get three weeks into
Speaker 1: this and we all of a sudden are thinking and
Speaker 1: talking about Rod Smith more, because I do think Rod
Speaker 1: smith is is maybe that kind of his style of
Speaker 1: running is more of the style that can take that
Speaker 1: one yard or to a three yarder, because he's a big,
Speaker 1: like you said, a big, a goal type back. The
Speaker 1: challenge for him is that he's never been the guy.
Speaker 1: He's never actually run, He's never been the primary runner,
Speaker 1: not even in college. I mean, he just hasn't been
Speaker 1: that role for him, and so I don't I would
Speaker 1: like to see more of him. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys would be willing to bypass their two
Speaker 1: veterans in order to give it to him. I don't
Speaker 1: trust that this coaching staff will I will see and
Speaker 1: I mean you could argue very easily that he hasn't
Speaker 1: earned it. I mean, when you think about it, it it
Speaker 1: sounds crazy to think, like, well, this third year player
Speaker 1: with like fifteen career carries deserves more of a shot
Speaker 1: than these pro bowlers who have a thousand yards seasons.
Speaker 1: Like that sounds crazy on the surface, But I would
Speaker 1: like to see what he can do. I just and
Speaker 1: I don't expect him to be the lead guy. But
Speaker 1: I hope, I just hope they don't forget about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually I woke up this morning and I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this. One of the things I thought was,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be really great. How great would
Speaker 1: it be right now for the Cowboys if they had
Speaker 1: one of those young second or third round pick running backs,
Speaker 1: because there is something to the spry, young running back
Speaker 1: and throwing him into the situation like Jagie, you mean, well,
Speaker 1: we can get to that. I mean, he's got some
Speaker 1: issues on his own of you know, I assume, and
Speaker 1: you would have to give up give up a pick
Speaker 1: for him, which I don't know if you want to
Speaker 1: give a fourth round pick for a temporary solution. All
Speaker 1: that being said, we'll get to that. I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: when you when you talk about just guys that and
Speaker 1: you see a Dave you do the Draft show every year,
Speaker 1: they're guys in second, third, fourth rounds that are running backs. Said,
Speaker 1: you might not say, Hey, I'm gonna bring this guy
Speaker 1: in to be my you know, five year starter at
Speaker 1: running back. But he's a guy that comes in and
Speaker 1: because he's spry, and he's young, and he has that
Speaker 1: energy that young backs have, you get him into a
Speaker 1: six game mix. He can jump right in and be
Speaker 1: able to get you some really quality starts there, and
Speaker 1: I just personally I like those guys better than it's
Speaker 1: the veterans sometimes because of the they're young and their spry.
Speaker 1: You know, can't cut this out and save it for
Speaker 1: the spring. It's October thirty first, twenty seventeen, and I think,
Speaker 1: give me a name. I think, no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: give your name. But I think the Cowboys would be
Speaker 1: bonkers if they don't use a moderately valuable draft asset
Speaker 1: on a running back. I agree with that Zeke is first,
Speaker 1: he has not one percent proven that he is a
Speaker 1: trustworthy guy going forward. We I mean, we just have
Speaker 1: enough time has not passed for us to be able
Speaker 1: to say that he's one slip up away from being
Speaker 1: banned forever? Is that not true? Just in terms of
Speaker 1: domestic I mean afterward if he had another domestic violing
Speaker 1: elsewhere to happen, I don't know, if it's forever, I
Speaker 1: don't know the year. He don't know, another slip up
Speaker 1: away from being in big trouble. Put it that way, um,
Speaker 1: which I will say this domestic I don't think, and
Speaker 1: I could be to totally speaking out of target. I
Speaker 1: don't think domestic violence in this instance, is something like
Speaker 1: drugs where you kind of have a relapse. I don't
Speaker 1: think maybe it is some extra you're a target. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's just smart insurance, it's smart thinking ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to do something else, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying, just cover yourself against all possible outcomes. But
Speaker 1: Alfred Moore and Darren McFadden are near or on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of thirty. They're both in contract years. Rod
Speaker 1: Smith I like a lot, But again, that's just one guy.
Speaker 1: I would you could convince me to spend a third
Speaker 1: round pick on a running right round. Well, let's think
Speaker 1: about this too. I mean the Cowboys drafted him, were
Speaker 1: excited about him fourth overall, they still spent a sixth
Speaker 1: round pick on a back because they liked him. So
Speaker 1: I know that's not what you're talking about. You're talking
Speaker 1: about earlier than that, but still six would be fine.
Speaker 1: But but but but what I'm saying is is that
Speaker 1: they I think that they all they have that that opinion.
Speaker 1: They had it then because Darius Jackson was a guy
Speaker 1: they liked on their board, so they said, I don't
Speaker 1: know where he fits, you know, and all this, But
Speaker 1: let's just take them. So I think they will do that.
Speaker 1: And you know, you're talking about now Zeke's he'll be
Speaker 1: getting into his third year, and they've said all along that,
Speaker 1: I mean, their opinions have changed on drafting and their
Speaker 1: philosophy has changed on drafting backs because you know, it's
Speaker 1: just basically just five years and didn't turn them. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to show that he can stay out
Speaker 1: of trouble, that he can stay healthy and do all
Speaker 1: those things to get another contract there. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think this would be about the time that you would
Speaker 1: do that unless you've, you know, traded your third round
Speaker 1: pick for something here in the trade deadline. Well, let's
Speaker 1: get to that. You guys have been really pushing to
Speaker 1: get to this Jagie talk. I've gotten a lot of sweets.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have as well. A fan saying
Speaker 1: what are the Cowboys doing? Primarily because trade deadline ends
Speaker 1: today and you've got teams like Philadelphia who are making moves.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia brings in a running back Jedi a And to
Speaker 1: be quite honest with you, that wasn't even nary I
Speaker 1: considered a weakness for them. They've been getting a lot
Speaker 1: of production out of out of there. What's the guy's name,
Speaker 1: Garrett Blunt. He's been running well for them. Now maybe
Speaker 1: it's not as consistent as they want. Maybe they feel
Speaker 1: like they give them themselves another body. Maybe they're protecting
Speaker 1: themselves because he's not the most reliable guy either when
Speaker 1: you talk about off the field stuff. He's had some
Speaker 1: suspensions as well, So maybe this is just kind of
Speaker 1: a protective move to give them a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But either way, they made a move. You've seen a
Speaker 1: couple of other teams make some moves here over the
Speaker 1: last day or so. Do you think the Cowboys, first
Speaker 1: of all, putting on your hats of I know we
Speaker 1: always talk about what should or what would happen? Do you,
Speaker 1: guys expect right now that the Cowboys will make a
Speaker 1: move based on the people that you've talked to and
Speaker 1: what you knew of this team, do you expect that
Speaker 1: they will make a move here before the trade deadline?
Speaker 1: I do not expect that, No, but I haven't really
Speaker 1: heard either way. I just I'm just going off of
Speaker 1: nineteen years of trade deadline and I don't I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything really major happening. So when was
Speaker 1: it right at the trade deadline when they traded for
Speaker 1: Roy Williams or was that earlier in the season than
Speaker 1: that a little bit early in October. It seemed like
Speaker 1: it was early in October. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: out at the deadline. Yeah, in my experience, they've only
Speaker 1: ever done trades during the season out of necessity. They
Speaker 1: traded for Bryce Butler because Dez broke his foot. They
Speaker 1: traded for Matt Castle because Tony Romo broke is clavical.
Speaker 1: You could come at me and say that the Zeke
Speaker 1: suspension makes it. But for whatever your opinions of those guys,
Speaker 1: I think they've done a good job. They are already
Speaker 1: covered in that area and they think that as well.
Speaker 1: They've been I mean, they carried extra running backs for
Speaker 1: this very purpose, like they have more than they needed
Speaker 1: all even going back to the spring. Really, so that
Speaker 1: would surprise me. Jerry Jones said this morning that they
Speaker 1: you know, sort of you know, they had a couple
Speaker 1: of things in the mill. I think was his jerryism
Speaker 1: for it. I would I'd be surprised. And then you know,
Speaker 1: if if something were to happen, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to be a blockbuster, like trading for a Jgie.
Speaker 1: So let me throw this etue just to play Devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: You say, they've already covered themselves at the running back position,
Speaker 1: but we all have talked about the fact that in
Speaker 1: order for them to do well over the stretch, the
Speaker 1: other areas of the team are going to have to
Speaker 1: pick up and do more. So when you start talking
Speaker 1: about it from that perspective, are there guys out there
Speaker 1: say at the wide receiver, yes, like Ty, I knew
Speaker 1: where you were going, t Y Hilton. How cool would
Speaker 1: that be? That would be really cool. I don't know
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys would do it, but you know, and
Speaker 1: I've read something yesterday. I think it was Chris Mortenson
Speaker 1: that was reporting that basically in Annapolis is like, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna get him, you're gonna have to give up
Speaker 1: something significant. Are you willing to give up a first
Speaker 1: round pick? Are you willing to give up a second
Speaker 1: round yes? Oh, you are willing to give up a
Speaker 1: second round pick? Yeah? I definitely would do that. What
Speaker 1: so I can keep so I can get another Gavin Escobar?
Speaker 1: I mean, their their history on second round pick be
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence. Right, Okay, but it's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: high second round pick. Who you got the cult second round? No, No,
Speaker 1: you would give up your own round. How do you know,
Speaker 1: Because it'll be it'll be in the middle, be in
Speaker 1: the middle of. If this whole thing just really goes
Speaker 1: south here during this wall game, it won't. It won't.
Speaker 1: There's still a five hundred team at worst. It's what
Speaker 1: Nick saying. No, you said middle of packs a little
Speaker 1: bit of middle pick. So at worst they're gonna be
Speaker 1: five hundred fifty something like that. I mean, at fifty,
Speaker 1: if you could get a wide receiver who is a
Speaker 1: playmaking receiver, who has speed, who is he's really doesn't
Speaker 1: have a big contract, he probably wants one, but I
Speaker 1: mean he's gone, he's going to want one, but he's
Speaker 1: already proven in the league, and he's you know, he
Speaker 1: gives you something you don't have. I mean, I definitely
Speaker 1: would do that. I don't think their history was second
Speaker 1: round picks haven't haven't been that that great at all.
Speaker 1: So it's their risk taking spot. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: They in the second round is where they kind of
Speaker 1: take some risks and flyers that they've done it for
Speaker 1: five or six years if you were hurt, you were
Speaker 1: a first round or you dropped down here like Bruce Carter,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take you. So I certainly would in a
Speaker 1: second round. You think their history of what's happened with
Speaker 1: big time wide receivers they've brought into trade or through
Speaker 1: you know, through just signing free a do you think
Speaker 1: that effect would affect them making a decision like this.
Speaker 1: Obviously the two that come to mind, or Roy and
Speaker 1: uh and then Joey Galloway. You think I would affect
Speaker 1: them making a decision like this where you're gonna give
Speaker 1: up a premium pick in order to get a veteran
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Well, that's why I would, Yeah, probably, So
Speaker 1: that's why I don't they wouldn't entertain a first round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would think they would be burned by taking giving
Speaker 1: them a first rounder. But I think a second rounder
Speaker 1: is completely different. We saw that last year, I mean
Speaker 1: two years ago. You know, do you want it, Randy Gregory? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they wanted them, They wanted them at twenty eight, they
Speaker 1: didn't take them. They took Byron Jones, safer pick. Then
Speaker 1: get to sixty and it's a little different. Now. Now
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it? So, yeah, I would. I would
Speaker 1: do it. I mean maybe even a third round pick.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just tampering, which we're just kind of
Speaker 1: talking about what three just three bros shooting the breeze
Speaker 1: about the trade prospects, other other guys that are out
Speaker 1: there that you guys think would would fit. I've seen
Speaker 1: reports Antonio Brown would Yeah, right, I heard. I've seen
Speaker 1: reports that that Miami might be looking to move on
Speaker 1: from Indomican Sue Um Like, would you would you look
Speaker 1: at would you look at the situations like that? I
Speaker 1: don't know about that one. Where where where's this money
Speaker 1: coming from? Ye? That's true. That goes for Ty too.
Speaker 1: I mean if I'm if I'm giving up a pick
Speaker 1: like that, I'd better be resigning him. Well where's that
Speaker 1: money coming from? Because that's I was again, And it's
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to project this because you know,
Speaker 1: things change and you restructure contracts. But like they're I
Speaker 1: think they're sitting on like ten million in cap space,
Speaker 1: So they got some work to do when the elite
Speaker 1: when the year ends, just to even have room to
Speaker 1: do everything they want to do, especially if they have
Speaker 1: to franchise tag to Marcus Lawrence. So you're putting a
Speaker 1: mega deal like Sue or I'm thinking t Y Hilton,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna try to I mean, he was the
Speaker 1: leading receiver in the NFL last year. He's gonna want
Speaker 1: big money. You're already paying Deads. You gotta find get
Speaker 1: rid of him or restructure him, whatever you're gonna do there.
Speaker 1: You gotta figure that out. Then you're basically either Deads
Speaker 1: or Terrence. You're saying, sorry, there's no room for you here.
Speaker 1: I know I just gave you a bunch of money,
Speaker 1: but what are we gonna do with you now? Um?
Speaker 1: I just needless complicates things. I'd rather just draft a guy.
Speaker 1: And honestly, here's the thought, a guy like t Y Hilton.
Speaker 1: I know Nick wants that guy that can take the
Speaker 1: top off the defense, but like, does that really fit
Speaker 1: what they want to do? Like is this a big
Speaker 1: play offense? In that sense? It could be think about
Speaker 1: it like this, you got anything you wanting to do that,
Speaker 1: but think about it like who traditionally Traditionally, when you
Speaker 1: have an offense that runs the ball really well, what
Speaker 1: really can kill teams is that play action over the top. Right,
Speaker 1: If you've got a guy that can get deep on
Speaker 1: you on any given play and you're running the ball effectively.
Speaker 1: If you start getting that safety to bite up, or
Speaker 1: if you got eight men in the box and you
Speaker 1: just got one safety back there, that's when you really
Speaker 1: can can make sense. Hey, I'm over, I'm over simplifying,
Speaker 1: But like, I just feel like their idea of that
Speaker 1: is like the play action fake and then you throw
Speaker 1: the eighteen yard crossing route to Terrence, and it isn't
Speaker 1: that because they don't have that guy they can take
Speaker 1: the top off the defense, right. Terence is pretty fast, man,
Speaker 1: Like if they wanted him to just run and go
Speaker 1: down the field, I feel like he could. I just
Speaker 1: at the level of a t Y Hilton. I'm not saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know there's a difference. That's not my point. I
Speaker 1: just I don't think t Y Hilton is the guy
Speaker 1: that I've been asking about for a long time. That's
Speaker 1: not what I've been talking about. A guy like Ross
Speaker 1: is it Rosston, yeah, the speedy guy out there, or
Speaker 1: Nelson It's Nelson, Um John Ross is Rosy year. But
Speaker 1: you're talking about that kind of talking about In the day,
Speaker 1: was Mike Wallace from you know, um from Mole miss
Speaker 1: or or or or a Ted Gain type. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody that is a complimentary receiver, but he can definitely run.
Speaker 1: Maybe that guy that was playing the other day and
Speaker 1: he's played at Texas and the Bills and track good
Speaker 1: good woman. I mean somebody like that. Um, now you're
Speaker 1: getting into a number one receiver and t Y Hilton
Speaker 1: that does that, then that's a little bit more you know, complicated.
Speaker 1: I guess if if the little short guy is your
Speaker 1: number one, he needs to be like Antonio Brown, and
Speaker 1: he has been, he has been, and so you I
Speaker 1: agree with Day that that kind of complicates things a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think I'd try to work it out
Speaker 1: if you know, if you couldn't. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that guy would change the way the Cowboys would want
Speaker 1: to play offense. I really don't. I think they want
Speaker 1: to hold the ball, and I mean, yeah, if you
Speaker 1: break up play obviously, touchdowns are great, but like they
Speaker 1: they're just they're methodical. They're not that like Big Ben
Speaker 1: type of let's just chunk the ball forty five yards
Speaker 1: eighteen times per game. Like I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: way they would play even if they had a guy
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm envisioning a world where t Y
Speaker 1: Hilton's frustrated because they're not really using them the way
Speaker 1: they're supposed to. And maybe that's just me being pessimistic,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of think that Garrett comes from
Speaker 1: that kind of offense, Like that's what they did back
Speaker 1: in the nineties. They ran the ball and then they
Speaker 1: got harper over the top, they played underneath control type football,
Speaker 1: and then when they had an opportunity to do play
Speaker 1: action and they were trying to go and get that
Speaker 1: big one hit. They haven't had a guy really liked
Speaker 1: this on a long time. Alvin Joe wasn't that guy
Speaker 1: they wanted him to be. They wanted him to be Rocket.
Speaker 1: They wanted him. Yeah, Rocket Rockets is the guy that
Speaker 1: that you know, the was supposed to be a complimentary
Speaker 1: to Michael Irvin though, and he was just a pure
Speaker 1: fast guy. That's what they need, in my opinion, they
Speaker 1: need that. They Terrence and des are kind of the
Speaker 1: same when it comes to athletically. I know Dez is
Speaker 1: more of the guy that can go up and get
Speaker 1: the ball. I bet you Terrence is faster, I would guess. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you you want you want will Fuller. He's got
Speaker 1: like fifteen catches for Houston this year, and seven of
Speaker 1: them are touchdowns. He can go, that's exactly what it
Speaker 1: needs to be. So yeah, and there may be guys
Speaker 1: out there that you can, you know, trade for like that,
Speaker 1: but I would be pretty surprised. I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here tomorrow talking about that. I agree. All right,
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Speaker 1: you have any questions? From Twitter? No way to go, Dave.
Speaker 1: I wasn't told that I needed to do that today.
Speaker 1: I have a question, hey, Twitter, thank somebody tweeted in
Speaker 1: what about trading for Carlos Hide? That kind of go
Speaker 1: Ohio state guy. That kind of goes back to my point,
Speaker 1: and I like, that's something that people have talked about,
Speaker 1: even you know, weeks ago, when we weren't sure what
Speaker 1: was going to happen with Zeke. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you'd have to give up to get at
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide. I mean, you just got Jay Jay for
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, so maybe not something huge, but
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're they're as good at running
Speaker 1: back as you could hope to be, like as Carlos Hide,
Speaker 1: that much of a pure upgrade over what you have.
Speaker 1: I know he's good, That's not what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about giving up assets to add
Speaker 1: to something that you've already done a reasonably good job
Speaker 1: of addressing, I just you know, if you if you
Speaker 1: want to trade for somebody, trade for a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: or a linebacker or a wide receiver like I just
Speaker 1: I don't know that you need to spend assets to
Speaker 1: add to that. But let's think about this though. Even
Speaker 1: though it sounds like this would be just a quick fix,
Speaker 1: you go into of the season knowing that, Okay, next year,
Speaker 1: McFadden and Alfred Morris, I can't see them here. They're
Speaker 1: both free agents and they maybe they'll sign one of them,
Speaker 1: but not both of them. Rod Smith has kind of
Speaker 1: a unique role. So if you traded for a running back,
Speaker 1: maybe it was we'll say a guy like that Hide
Speaker 1: or somebody, a younger player, he would have a role.
Speaker 1: Even next year, even when Zeke came back, you were
Speaker 1: talking about drafting a player in the third or fourth round.
Speaker 1: If you could get a relatively young back with not
Speaker 1: a lot of tread on the tires. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you'd be okay, I'm trying to remember. I
Speaker 1: guess you would want tread on the tires. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember, not a lot of mileage on the car. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember when he was drafted. He was
Speaker 1: he was the guy at Ohio State before Zeke, so
Speaker 1: he I'm guessing he was drafted in twenty fourteen, which
Speaker 1: I mean that so he's in a contract year. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, second round pick twenty fourteen, so he's
Speaker 1: in a contract here. Yeah. Also that's why, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why you trade him because they didn't have to resign him. Also,
Speaker 1: would Carlo well, yeah, would Carlos Hide want to be
Speaker 1: a backup? I mean, he's good enough to be a starter,
Speaker 1: and that's what he would presumably be like and so,
Speaker 1: but he would love this opportunity because if he's going
Speaker 1: to be a free agent, he gets could certainly do
Speaker 1: a great work for himself, there's no doubt about. That's
Speaker 1: actually really good point because that's the thing. You look
Speaker 1: at this and the running back has I mean or
Speaker 1: whatever the position you're getting they have to. You have
Speaker 1: to feel like as a team they're going to help
Speaker 1: you just for a short period of time. All you're
Speaker 1: doing is renting them. So this is a great opportunity
Speaker 1: to be able to go ahead and get a player
Speaker 1: like this that you can rent basically for six weeks.
Speaker 1: Gives him an opportunity to show what he can do
Speaker 1: then become a free agent. Gives you an opportunity to
Speaker 1: get a great player for a specific amount of time
Speaker 1: just to tide you over until you guys. And it's
Speaker 1: a position that you can rent and not every position
Speaker 1: you come in and you and you can do that.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of the scary part about Jagie
Speaker 1: is that when you go into Philadelphia, you know by
Speaker 1: Wednesday Thursday, you pretty much know what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1: If you're a wide receiver, I don't know. If a
Speaker 1: wide receiver is gonna it's gonna take a little bit
Speaker 1: of time to get him to be dominant running back,
Speaker 1: though you can get That's why you see rookies that
Speaker 1: come in and do it well early. It's there's not
Speaker 1: a lot to it. Here's the ball, go to that gap,
Speaker 1: make a cut and do what you do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know there's more to it than that, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to blocking, blitzes and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: running backs can come in and make an impact. Let's
Speaker 1: just suppose for the purposes of this, that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: pick number one, twenty eight in the fourth round next year.
Speaker 1: That's what the forty nine ers want for Carlos Hide.
Speaker 1: Give them that, and you get Carlos Hide plus what
Speaker 1: you've already got for the next six games and beyond.
Speaker 1: So how many games are left? Eleven? Nine? Damn already
Speaker 1: halfway through? So you got that for nine games? I
Speaker 1: said nine? Oh okay, no, I said nine. Don't say twelve. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. You have Carlos Hide and those guys for
Speaker 1: nine games and then you got to figure that out,
Speaker 1: or you just take what you already got, get through
Speaker 1: this stretch, and then you have pick one twenty eight
Speaker 1: to spend on a running back who will be under
Speaker 1: contract with you for four years. I think that's about
Speaker 1: long term play. I think that's a panic move to
Speaker 1: go get a guy like Carlos Hyde when, like I said,
Speaker 1: you're about as reasonably well set up as you could
Speaker 1: expect to be at that position, and you can address
Speaker 1: it next year, and you will at some point have
Speaker 1: Zeke again. I just I don't think that's something that
Speaker 1: you need or should do. I think the other thing
Speaker 1: to consider here, though, is everybody's looking at this as
Speaker 1: six games. The likelihood that Zeke comes back after six
Speaker 1: games and is ready to just pick up where you
Speaker 1: left off is I think. I think that's being a
Speaker 1: little naive. But you won't need him too, because Alfred
Speaker 1: Morris will just be ripping off one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: yard games. Yeah, if one of these backs gets into
Speaker 1: a nice groove, that's a good thing to have, because
Speaker 1: really you're gonna have and looking at the way this
Speaker 1: team brings players backs, they're gonna ease him in. They're
Speaker 1: not just gonna go in and just throw the whole
Speaker 1: load at him when he comes back. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: All that being said, I think you have to look
Speaker 1: at this and say, really, your expectation is you want
Speaker 1: to have Zeke back and hitting a stride if and
Speaker 1: when you get to the playoffs. What did everybody say
Speaker 1: about Romo when he was with row momentum? Is that
Speaker 1: what they called it about to have some Alfie momentum?
Speaker 1: All right? Get ready you believe in that? Not really,
Speaker 1: but I think I'm not. I don't believe that Alfred
Speaker 1: can't do it. I actually think Alfred can run well
Speaker 1: against I think I think, I don't know. I'm rooting
Speaker 1: like hell for him because he's probably the best guy
Speaker 1: in that locker, absolutely, and he's shown flashes when he's
Speaker 1: had opportunities. He's got the longest run of the season still,
Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I don't I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be hopeless. I'm I'm intrigued to see how he does.
Speaker 1: I hope he does well. YEA, all right, let's get
Speaker 1: a phone call. We have a call from Steven, New York. Steve,
Speaker 1: what up? How you doing guys? Thank you? UM obviously
Speaker 1: very concerned about the next six games. I'm curious. I
Speaker 1: agree with me on this. I mean, you know, Morris
Speaker 1: McCadden of whoever the good players with I don't think
Speaker 1: you could just plug them in and expect them to
Speaker 1: do what Zeke is on without adjusting the offense. What
Speaker 1: I mean by that, it's not only from a production
Speaker 1: standpoint about blocking. I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: forgetting how blocker that Zeke was. Yeah, no, there's I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a play in this game. I think it
Speaker 1: was either this, No, I think it was San Francisco,
Speaker 1: Like he just absolutely blew up an oncoming linebacker and
Speaker 1: gave Dak the time he needed. And I mean he's
Speaker 1: good for one or two of those per game. Like,
Speaker 1: he's really underrated as a blocker, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden struggled with that in the preseason. That's something
Speaker 1: to remember. But I don't know it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, play Devil's Advocate. They plugged Darren McFadden in
Speaker 1: after the bye week in twenty fifteen, and in his
Speaker 1: first real chance to start, he ran for one twenty
Speaker 1: nine against the Giants. So from a running perspective, I
Speaker 1: really do think, like I said earlier, I'll be shocked.
Speaker 1: If they just absolutely can't run the ball, you're gonna
Speaker 1: miss Zeke. But I still think they'll be able to
Speaker 1: move the ball on the ground. I thought that was
Speaker 1: a lot more than that thought. Yeah, I mean one
Speaker 1: twenty nine against the Giants. I think so, But I mean,
Speaker 1: like that's I'm not thinking one sixty now. I think
Speaker 1: you're spoiled by a year and a half of watching
Speaker 1: Zeke do that on the rag, but I think it
Speaker 1: was one twenty nine. I'm pretty sure the rag on
Speaker 1: the regre for with any Powers? Okay, um no, I
Speaker 1: mean the thing about Zeke that which is so different
Speaker 1: than those other guys is that you know, when you
Speaker 1: think about the three you have, now you know who's
Speaker 1: the fastest of the three? Um, probably McFadden. I think
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, Yeah, but you know who's the best,
Speaker 1: the best and third and one? You know, you don't
Speaker 1: really know who's the best pass catcher. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it's Ross Smith. You know who who's who's your best?
Speaker 1: Got to start. The thing is is Zeke is the
Speaker 1: answer to every question you've got when it comes to
Speaker 1: running back. That's why it's really hard to get him
Speaker 1: off the field. So now it's just it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough to like mix and match who who does what?
Speaker 1: But I do think it'll open things up a little
Speaker 1: bit more. I think teams will have to figure out
Speaker 1: how to play them. It is unrelated shout out Matt
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton's under contract for a while. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that they sign them. I cover the Cowboys. It's
Speaker 1: not the Colts. Sorry, but I still don't think it's
Speaker 1: I don't know. I assume it's a hefty contract and
Speaker 1: it's not something I'm trying to take on. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing either way, And I think you guys
Speaker 1: said it at the beginning of this, the segment where
Speaker 1: we talked about this. The Cowboys are not one of
Speaker 1: those teams that gets out and as a big player
Speaker 1: in trade deadlines, a big player in free agency, they
Speaker 1: look for bargain deals. They really expect to build their
Speaker 1: talent through the draft, and so everything else is just
Speaker 1: kind of the little add ons where they can get
Speaker 1: hopefully a deal here or there and they can pop,
Speaker 1: and one or two of them can pop, but that's
Speaker 1: not really their thing. Hasn't been their thing for years.
Speaker 1: I'm about to selling Mickey Spagnola, and I apologize in advance,
Speaker 1: I really do, But well, it's something that I thought
Speaker 1: about though. You know, these trades are happening. Jagi is
Speaker 1: an Eagle now and people like, well, the Cowboys aren't bold.
Speaker 1: That's why they haven't won any Super Bowls in twenty years,
Speaker 1: and like that, I didn't I wouldn't even hear and
Speaker 1: I know that that's disingenuous, because half the reason the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were so inept for half of that time was
Speaker 1: because they were doing stuff like that and screwing it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to get Joey Galloway, you're going
Speaker 1: to get Roy Williams, You're moving all over the draft,
Speaker 1: You're making you questionable decisions, and from what ninety eight
Speaker 1: until oh six, that was the philosophy that permeated this
Speaker 1: team and it set them back. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: just like they were going eight and eight. They were
Speaker 1: bad for a real bad for a solid junk of that.
Speaker 1: And so I get that. It's frustrating because you want
Speaker 1: your team to do things to make itself better. But
Speaker 1: in the way the NFL is structured, I just think
Speaker 1: it's so much smarter to mitigate your risk. And that's
Speaker 1: what you do when you build through the draft, because
Speaker 1: you're dealing with small contracts your deal. Again, none of
Speaker 1: your free agent signings from the spring panned out, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because you didn't invest them in them anyway.
Speaker 1: So it's disappointing, but it doesn't set you back months
Speaker 1: and years like it did when you were doing those
Speaker 1: bold things. So I just think it's so much smarter
Speaker 1: to build this low risk way where your hits hit
Speaker 1: big and your losses are mitigated by the fact that
Speaker 1: you didn't put that much into them. Yeah, I will
Speaker 1: say this, I do think, just to kind of go
Speaker 1: a little bit on the other side, I think they're
Speaker 1: probably fans out there to say, hey, isn't there a
Speaker 1: middle ground, Like there was a time you're right and
Speaker 1: during that period when they were just going out and
Speaker 1: they were going crazy and free agency they'd get you know,
Speaker 1: in three years or you remember that ours still remember
Speaker 1: that one big day or two days where they signed
Speaker 1: all these free agents and spend all this money like
Speaker 1: they were going all in. But there is a middle
Speaker 1: ground where you say, maybe there's one guy, one particular
Speaker 1: guy that you like. This guy completely fits what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do. The money's gonna work, and and it's
Speaker 1: a guy that that will completely change and help us
Speaker 1: be better than what we were before. There's that middle
Speaker 1: ground where I think fans want them to at least
Speaker 1: be in that middle ground versus just being hey, we
Speaker 1: only want the bargain deals and and other than that,
Speaker 1: we're going to build through the draft for the most
Speaker 1: that the compensatory picks too. You know, for next year,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some because you lost a lot of
Speaker 1: free agents, so you're gonna have extra picks, maybe in
Speaker 1: the middle round a little bit later on you can trade.
Speaker 1: You can trade them now, so you are going to
Speaker 1: have that a little bit. I know that they're already
Speaker 1: factoring that end. So when you're thinking fourth, fifth round,
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have more than one of those picks,
Speaker 1: so it maybe it'd be easier to pull the trigger
Speaker 1: on that. I think they they traded away one of
Speaker 1: their picks this year, I think, but they's they still
Speaker 1: should pick nine or ten times. Yeah, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us back tomorrow nine thirty a m.
Speaker 1: Till then for Nick even Dave Hellman. I'm Derek Eagleton.
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