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Speaker 2: Radio bonus our final hour here of the Drive on

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Speaker 2: location inside the Builtmore in Phoenix, Arizona for the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six NFL League Owners Meetings and joining us now

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Speaker 2: to kick off our final hour. He's been a guest

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Speaker 2: to a few times here in the last few months

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Speaker 2: on the Drive. It's our buddy, Allan Saunders, of course

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Speaker 2: of Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Alan, this is my first owners meeting. I have been

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Speaker 2: pleasantly surprised. This is a fabulous event. How things been

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Speaker 2: on your end?

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Speaker 4: It's wonderful every year. I think this is the best location.

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Speaker 4: I love it here. Do you like it in Florida?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I do. It doesn't rain here, that's a good pi.

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Speaker 4: It is hot. It got off the plane and it's

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Speaker 4: just like who turned they the furnace on Jeu a night.

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Speaker 4: But I think this is a great set up here,

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Speaker 4: and they take great care of us. And yeah, really

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Speaker 4: nothing to complain about this week.

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Speaker 5: Have a good time last night, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's hard not to.

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Speaker 2: So let's get right into it with you here, Alan,

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Speaker 2: And I know we kind of had some some news

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Speaker 2: in the the last half an hour or so, but

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Speaker 2: the NFL owners approving a rule change allowing the league

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Speaker 2: to step in and assist on potential disqualifications, whether for

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Speaker 2: flagrant football acts or non football acts, and initiate a

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Speaker 2: flag if one wasn't thrown. Was the DK Metcalf incident

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Speaker 2: in Detroit last year a real catalyst of this conversation.

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Speaker 4: I think it was. It certainly is the example case

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Speaker 4: for how the NFL would like this to play out differently.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, I think, you know, when when we saw

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Speaker 4: the suspension handed out last year as two games, and

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Speaker 4: then DK went to the appeal, I thought, you know,

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Speaker 4: they'll probably knock it down to one. And I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe if he had been ejected at halftime

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Speaker 4: of that game instead of playing the second half, that

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Speaker 4: might have been something that happened. So I think in

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Speaker 4: some ways, you know, I don't love the idea of

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Speaker 4: of the the flag from the from the press box,

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Speaker 4: right from from the New York New York throws the

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Speaker 4: flag on the play. I think that's that's a little

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Speaker 4: bit fraud, But I think it will end up helping

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Speaker 4: resolve such like it's such a weird and unique situation.

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Speaker 4: I just hope they don't overuse it, Like how many

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Speaker 4: times we have has a situation like that occurred where

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Speaker 4: you know you're sitting there walking something happened. I really

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Speaker 4: probably should be thrown out for that, and and the

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Speaker 4: officials didn't see it like it doesn't happen very often.

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Speaker 5: Were there any shocks of the things that got voted.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I thought all the kickoff stuff was pretty

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Speaker 5: much cut and dry, easy decisions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm interested to see. I felt like this this kickoff,

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Speaker 4: they were very conservative with the rollout of the the

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Speaker 4: new kickoff where I think we're gonna see as they

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Speaker 4: continue to tweak this, we're seeing more returns searching they want. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're seeing more returns. It's a play that exists again,

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Speaker 4: but we're not seeing anywhere near the explosive plays that

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Speaker 4: we saw at the height of the kick return in

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Speaker 4: the early two thousands. I think I wrote there were

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Speaker 4: a handful of touchdowns last year. I think that maybe

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Speaker 4: maybe six. I think there were in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 4: There were two guys that had three. Wow, the whole

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Speaker 4: league had So it's like they gotta find they gotta

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Speaker 4: find some ways to give the return team a chance

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Speaker 4: to make a big play and so give them more flexibility.

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Speaker 4: And where they line the guys up, I think is

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Speaker 4: what they're going for. The other, I mean, the other

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Speaker 4: rest of it just seems very pretty obvious.

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Speaker 5: Ye, so like an underrated need. I think that I've

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Speaker 5: been talking about for a month seeing before this Steelers

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Speaker 5: really could use return guys both kick. Yeah, they don't

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Speaker 4: I mean, Jalen Warren I assume will continue to be

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Speaker 4: I think and Mike McCarthy was talking yesterday about he

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Speaker 4: wants wide receivers that can do more than one thing,

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Speaker 4: and he very specifically said, yeah, that could mean playing

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Speaker 4: co play on special teams. And they don't have a

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Speaker 4: think it makes sense if you're looking at mid round picks,

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're kind of trying to read the tea

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Speaker 2: leaves of the draft here in what twenty three days

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Speaker 2: it kicks off in Pittsburgh. Mike McCarthy spent some time

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Speaker 2: this morning talking about the value of position flexibility, particularly

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Speaker 2: how critical it is for an offensive line. There are

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Speaker 2: a lot of those, you know, first round type prospects

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Speaker 2: that kind of profile as they could play guard or

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Speaker 2: tackle in the league. Does that kind of does that

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Speaker 2: put an antenna up? Does that feel like a real

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Speaker 2: option for the Steelers to go back to the offensive

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Speaker 2: line at twenty one, even when they've invested a lot

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I see the player that I

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Speaker 4: think is a fit that's going to be there at

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Speaker 4: twenty one. I mean, Veka you want to I love

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Speaker 4: as a player, but I mean I could be surprised

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Speaker 4: if he even gets to eighteen and he's a guard

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Speaker 4: and a really good one in terms of like some

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Speaker 4: I think versatility is great. I think also versatility is

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Speaker 4: something we say about people that we're not sure if

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Speaker 4: they have a home and like, don't get those things confused,

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Speaker 4: Like is Caden Proctor a tackle who might have to

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Speaker 4: good tackle. I don't know, and I don't want to

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Speaker 4: draft a guy in the first round that might not

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Speaker 4: be a very good tackle. And I don't have any

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Speaker 4: idea he's going to move to guard. I think we've

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Speaker 4: seen a trend in recent years of some of these

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Speaker 4: to the NFL. They've moved to guard on their own

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Speaker 4: and there in college. And I think that's probably the

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Speaker 4: better way to go for it, except, you know, like

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Speaker 4: I said, versus Tilly's great if you have. It is

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Speaker 4: very rare, though, that you have guys that are truly

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Speaker 4: good at multiple positions. Most of the time you're either

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Speaker 4: talking about guys who were just okay at everything or

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Speaker 4: guys that really.

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Speaker 5: Don't have a fit so another, I think we can

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Speaker 5: all agree that they're going to draft a receiver high,

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Speaker 5: and maybe even two of them, you know, in this draft,

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Speaker 5: with all the picks they have, I really think there's

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Speaker 5: about a zero percent chance Tate from Ohio State is there.

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Speaker 5: I think everyone else. I think everyone else has a

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Speaker 5: chance to be make twenty one. Do you have a

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Speaker 5: that you like if you rank them in any way.

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Speaker 4: I actually think I like Tyson better than Tate on tape.

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Speaker 4: It's just the injuries that is a big far thing

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Speaker 4: common on You can't really you know, it's hard to

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Speaker 4: factor what teams are gonna fa, especially with his because

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Speaker 4: it's not like he has something that's ongoing. It's just

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Speaker 4: that he's been hurt all the time. It's durability and

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to wait that. I love his tape.

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Speaker 4: I think to me, he's clearly the second guy that

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Speaker 4: I would want. But I mean, I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: crazy that the one of those top guys is there

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Speaker 4: for the Steelers at twenty one. I think it's very likely,

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Speaker 4: given that they have twelve picks, that if one of

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Speaker 4: because why not with twelve. I mean, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 4: have twelve rookies make the team.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel strongly about Boston or Concepcion or Lemon

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Speaker 5: or any of those others.

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Speaker 4: I think Boston for me, I love him as a player,

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Speaker 4: feels like the worst fit for the Steelers. I mean

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Speaker 4: it's just a little two redundant. He is exactly well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Mike's just talking about guys one of guys

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Speaker 4: who can do multiple things. I don't think he's that.

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Speaker 4: And the one thing he does, they they already have

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Speaker 4: guys that can do that. I just think he's t

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Speaker 4: additional outside the Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's probably the worst fit.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a really good player and and decent

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Speaker 4: chance that he's BPA when pick twenty one comes around,

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Speaker 4: I think I would rather have If I was like

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Speaker 4: making a big board sort of for any team, I'd

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Speaker 4: put him ahead of Concepcion and Cooper, but I think

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Speaker 4: they're better fits for what the Steelers need right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Alan Saunders of Steelers now with us here on

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Speaker 2: our little mini radio row at the league meetings inside

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Speaker 2: the Beltmore. Alan, you know, sticking with that with that

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Speaker 2: draft conversation you mentioned those twelve picks, is there a

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Speaker 2: sweet spot for the Steelers to move up, Like, would

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Speaker 2: you be interested in maybe nabbing an additional second round pick?

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Speaker 2: Is there any thought in your mind even from potentially

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Speaker 2: moving down to twenty one if there's not the BPA

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Speaker 2: fit that you love as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the best part of this draft for

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Speaker 4: me is from about pick fifteen to sixty. I really

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Speaker 4: like those guys. So whether it's moving up a little

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Speaker 4: bit in the first moving up in the second round,

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Speaker 4: I love the players in the forty range if they

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Speaker 4: can get into there, or moving up to get another

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Speaker 4: second round pick, I think all those should be on

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Speaker 4: the table. Those feel like the best ways to use

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Speaker 4: those additional resources. I'm sure they would also be interested

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Speaker 4: in trading some of them for twenty seven capital. Usually

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Speaker 4: you profit on that exchange by waiting a year, but

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Speaker 4: I think in this situation this are that's not going

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Speaker 4: to be the case.

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Speaker 5: Talking to you're dropping out the Laigue third, you're not

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Speaker 5: going to get an early second next year.

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Speaker 4: I think every team would like to move some draft

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Speaker 4: capital from twenty six to twenty seven, and you've got

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Speaker 4: to have somebody willing to come the other way to

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Speaker 5: Wes, I don't think we've talked about this lately at all,

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Speaker 5: but I think it's more likely they move from fifty

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Speaker 5: three or wherever they pick in the second up to forty.

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Speaker 5: Then they move from twenty one to seventeen it'd be

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Speaker 5: a lot less expensive. You might get your cake and

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Speaker 5: eaty two with the receiver alignment situation with a picket,

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Speaker 5: you know, twenty one and forty, and it maybe it

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Speaker 5: only cost you a fourth or a late third, or

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Speaker 5: someone throws in a fifth next year or whatever. You know,

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Speaker 5: I just think you could end up with two guys

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Speaker 5: with similar grades.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's and the Steelers have, I would say,

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Speaker 4: been pretty good under Omar Kahn at finding those guys

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Speaker 4: that are falling down the board and getting themselves in

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Speaker 4: position to meet them where they are. And I think

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Speaker 4: that you know, that to me is like his hidden

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Speaker 4: skill as a general man is that he's very good

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Speaker 4: at understanding how the rest of the league is going

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Speaker 4: to value players and find the value picks. And so yeah,

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Speaker 4: absolutely they may not even have to get very far

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Speaker 2: All Right, Alan, we did it. We made it a

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Speaker 3: Any change in.

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Speaker 5: That's an interesting conversation, Allen.

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Speaker 2: Last one I've got for you is Mike McCarthy kind

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a tough way to phrase that. I'm not

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Speaker 4: I think he will run the ball very very well

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Speaker 2: checking out all his coverage this week and always Stealersnow

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Speaker 5: So I firmly believe that this is a weird year

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Speaker 5: been thinking very much along the lines of how's the

437
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Speaker 5: NFL going to respond to that? And I was listening

438
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Speaker 5: to I Mentiona mcshae because frankly, the way he put

439
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Speaker 5: it was better than the way I put it. Because

440
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Speaker 5: I've been thinking the exact same thing that after Mendoza goes,

441
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Speaker 5: of course, you know, and whatnot. I think the league

442
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Speaker 5: is just going to be happy finding quality players at

443
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Speaker 5: the next premium positions. Okay, And what I mean by

444
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Speaker 5: that is, again, I think there's one quarterback that's guaranteed

445
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Speaker 5: to be a first round pick. Simpson will figure it

446
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 5: out or whatever. He's a wild card. I still think

447
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 5: the tackles are going to go. I still think the

448
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 5: edge defensive end type guys are going to go because

449
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 5: they're just the hardest positions to find. Cornerbacks, yeah, but

450
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Speaker 5: especially those two. And Todd really put it out the

451
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Speaker 5: same way, and he said, you know, I've been talking

452
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Speaker 5: to people in the league and he thinks that a

453
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Speaker 5: league wide trend will just be like, get me a

454
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Speaker 5: quality starter for four or five years. That's cheap at

455
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Speaker 5: defensive end and tackle, so I don't have to pay

456
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Speaker 5: one even if they don't turn into Bosa or Penny

457
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 5: sul or whatever. Just give me the best move economically.

458
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 5: And it's pretty good draft to do that. In the

459
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Speaker 5: first round. There's a lot of these edges, and there's

460
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Speaker 5: definitely a lot of these tackles that again aren't Bosa

461
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 5: or alt but they're going to go in the first round.

462
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 5: And what Todd and why I say Todd said it

463
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Speaker 5: better than me, was he started laying out the names,

464
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: and we could pull up any list, you know, sure, yeah,

465
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 5: any Daniel Jeremiah's top fifty or whatever. And frankly, I

466
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Speaker 5: don't even care about the names. But I think he's

467
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 5: certain that there will be at least thirteen edges and

468
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 5: tackles combined, and maybe as many as fifteen, probably between

469
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Speaker 5: thirteen and fifteen those two positions added together. TJ. Parker,

470
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Speaker 5: et cetera. One of those positions. The Steelers want all

471
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Speaker 5: of them to fall. You know, Blake Miller is not

472
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Speaker 5: a name we mentioned. He's like he's going in the

473
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Speaker 5: first round. He's a tackle. Maybe it's not at the

474
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Speaker 5: very beginning of the first round, kid out Clemson, you know,

475
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 5: but you know, if you pull up Todd's top six

476
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Speaker 5: or seven tackles, he thinks they're all going in the

477
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Speaker 5: first round. If you pull up his six or seven edges,

478
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 5: just give us the names, if you don't mind that

479
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Speaker 5: you're looking at them.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So obviously r VL Reis, David Bailey, Francis maw

481
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Speaker 2: We go a Reuben Bain, Junior, Spencer von Um and

482
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: Roe Feeling a Key Messador, Keldrick Falk.

483
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Speaker 3: We've talked about all those guys, Ye, t J.

484
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Speaker 2: Parker, Blake Miller, Caleb Blomo, Gabe is it it's Acus, right?

485
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that's the first name that's not guaranteed

486
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Speaker 5: to be a first round I think all those other

487
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Speaker 5: guys he's definitely go over.

488
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: All Zion Young, Cashi as How Kate and Proctor, Maxi

489
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Speaker 2: and Hure Malachi Lawrence. I mean he's got Matt All

490
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: those guys are in his top fifty of his big board.

491
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Speaker 2: That I said, every single one of those guys, and

492
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Speaker 2: then r Mason Thomas fifty one.

493
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Speaker 5: I means a side note Todd, you know he gets

494
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Speaker 5: a lot of information, and he said he thinks the

495
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Speaker 5: Browns are infatuated with Proctor and might even take him

496
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Speaker 5: in the top ten let alone, if he gets to

497
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 5: the their second pack six right, right, right, So you

498
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 5: can get pretty easily to fifteen when you combine those

499
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Speaker 5: two positions. And here's where I'm going with this. There's

500
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Speaker 5: only thirty two picks in the first round. If fifteen

501
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Speaker 5: of them are edge and tackles. Mendoza makes it sixteen,

502
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 5: Jeremiah Love Love seventeen. Uh, Caleb Downs, I was just

503
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 5: gonna stay on offense. Okay, guard out of Ione Venga Yoanna,

504
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 5: that goes State seventeen. So we're real. Yep, sadik yep

505
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 5: eighteen Tate, I think so obvious. She definitely goes around

506
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Speaker 5: draft nineteen. And I'll come back to receiver in a minute.

507
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 5: That's why I'm doing this whole conversation. So we already

508
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 5: in nineteen names with those two positions in offense, I

509
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 5: don't know that there's a defensive tackle that's guaranteed.

510
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Speaker 3: I would be shocked if there was one that was

511
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Speaker 3: in the top.

512
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Speaker 5: Twe me too, Me the edge guys who are already

513
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 5: off the board. But Styles is going, Yes, Downs is going.

514
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 5: Maybe another linebacker perhaps, but probably not. Styles is for sure.

515
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 5: Does that get us to twenty one? I lost calenge

516
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Speaker 5: Okay Downs gets us to twenty two?

517
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Speaker 3: Or sorry?

518
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: No, I was including Styles and Downs, sorry because that

519
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: was twenty in twenty.

520
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 5: One, theaman's going to go in the first round, Yes

521
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 5: he is. Maybe the Toledo dude that gets.

522
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: Us Manuel McNeil Warren, Yeah.

523
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 5: That gets us to twenty three or twenty four. I

524
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: lost count. I've been bad about this exercise. McCoy's definitely

525
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 5: going now, Yes, the lane's definitely going now. Yes, maybe

526
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 5: corner three. I'd be shocked if there's only two corners

527
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 5: drafted in the first round. So where I'm going to

528
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 5: this is I have not talked about, quote, the other

529
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 5: receivers not named Tate yet, and I've already got to

530
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 5: like twenty seven or twenty eight definite first rounders, which

531
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Speaker 5: then tells you if you pull up just his receiver

532
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 5: board or any receiver board, and you only take Tate

533
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: out of the equation, there's like a dozen awesome ones left.

534
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 5: So that's kind of what I've been thinking with the

535
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 5: Steelers is everyone knows that I've been leaning in a vacuum.

536
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 5: I would take O line to twenty one over wide

537
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 5: receiver twenty one, unless one is a much better grade

538
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 5: than the other. Of course, in the back sky scenario, right,

539
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: give me one of those tackles that everyone's coveting, and

540
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 5: they'll be We know one of them will be there

541
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 5: at twenty one. It probably won't be Freeling, or I

542
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: don't even care which one is. I mean I ensured it.

543
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: They'll probably be more than one at twenty one.

544
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the first run round ends on Thursday,

545
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 5: and maybe there's only two or three receivers off the board,

546
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 5: but there's still like nine more that you would love,

547
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 5: love love that you can just hang there at fifty

548
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 5: three and maybe get the one that falls to you

549
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 5: or what I mentioned before, scooch up like six picks

550
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 5: and get the one you want. I mean, like, if

551
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 5: you look at it through that lens.

552
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: It's very doable.

553
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: It's very doable to get two guys that maybe you

554
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 5: would even consider it a twenty one or at twenty

555
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 5: eight if you trade it down or whatever. You know

556
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: what I mean. It doesn't have to be I insure

557
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 5: or whoever my favorite one is. It's just the way.

558
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 5: That's what these teams do. Would you rather take Boss

559
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 5: in there and see what's left at O line? Or

560
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 5: would or would you take Faunu.

561
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: Or you know, and then see what's left in the

562
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: wide receiver.

563
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: And think you know? And Alan mentioned this too. Omar

564
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 5: so good at knowing what the league covets, but so

565
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 5: much that comes on the money. Teams are going to

566
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: take edges and tackles because you can't get them.

567
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: In their their cost controlled for four five.

568
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 5: If everybody in the first round is kind of the same,

569
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 5: just give me an edge of.

570
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: Tackle positions a value.

571
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: Thus, receivers should fall. They should be the position that falls.

572
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 3: I am, I am back at the bottom line of bottom.

573
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 5: I did all this like math and blah blah blah.

574
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: Now you showed your work. That's what teachers always want

575
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: you to do in school, to show your work.

576
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: Then you draw a line under and the answer to

577
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 5: this whole segment is receivers should fall, so get them.

578
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: Which is which would be a great outcomes?

579
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 5: Is that's I hope to steelers see the same way.

580
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: If that's your Oppenheimer equation for this exactly right, is

581
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: e equals mc squared.

582
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: That's Einstein, not Oppenheimer.

583
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: You get Just let me go. Science wasn't exactly my bag.

584
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: The end result is distilled down to wide receivers fall

585
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: down the board. Maybe you get to pick twenty one

586
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: and Tate is the only one off the board, or.

587
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: Maybe Tate and or something. Right, there's two gone, you know,

588
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: but there's still fourteen you like or twelve you like to.

589
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: Start, So do you leave that on pause and take

590
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: the offensive line.

591
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 5: You take, they check that box because it's going to

592
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: be harder to find more board, do you go?

593
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, but look at the high end wide receiver

594
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: we can nab right now.

595
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 5: That's also another thought. You might get wide receiver three

596
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 5: at twenty one, where you thought that was no chance.

597
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: If you're in love with you know, he meant Tyson,

598
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 5: he likes ticson Okay, fine, you know, but the more

599
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: you lay it out, economics rule this league so much, so.

600
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: Much, and especially with the Steelers current general manager exactly.

601
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: That's where that's where he cut his teeth in this,

602
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: in this.

603
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 5: And I think he's gonna have a feel for where

604
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 5: these guys go and the way that Todd laid it

605
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 5: out in the podcast, I was listening to him, like

606
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: this really benefits the Steelers.

607
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that makes a ton of sense.

608
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you kind of gave me a hey

609
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: when we were doing our again, as we always share.

610
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 5: It, I don't want to wait till Friday to have

611
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 5: this conversation because fresh on my mind, these you.

612
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: Know, these very extensive are pre production show meetings that

613
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: are very extensive and very detailed. You yeah, you nudged

614
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: me in the ribs this morning and you go, hey,

615
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: at some point today, let's.

616
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: Talk about this, this Todd McShay thing.

617
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: And you have no idea what I'm even talking about.

618
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, just give me a segment. We'll figure it out.

619
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Speaker 3: I think it worked out pretty well.

620
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hope I laid that out for

621
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 5: a view. Why you do it, the order you do it,

622
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 5: and why the less rest of the league could really

623
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 5: play in your hand.

624
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: And we have talked a lot about how it is

625
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: not the perceived as the strongest draft class, you know,

626
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: in recent history.

627
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of tackles. There's a lot of

628
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: edge rushers.

629
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you want the edges to go.

630
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: You want to be other than quarterback, those are the

631
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: two most valuable positions.

632
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you want to be shopping in that. You

633
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 5: know you're probably going to add a offensive lineman of note,

634
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: and there's a lot to pick from. There's a lot

635
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 5: of edges, and you want them to go, you know,

636
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: especially before you become in the market for your second position.

637
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 5: And they will, you know, because they always do real

638
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 5: quick in history shows tackles and they just don't last anyway.

639
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: Exactly right. And so let's assume that that's going to

640
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: be the case again. M hmm, and pick twenty one

641
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: rolls around. Yeah, would you be gung ho to go

642
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: and get wide receiver two or three? Would you say,

643
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: I still would rather take the olne I still rather

644
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: take the OL linements.

645
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: Unless the grades are unless they're in two different tiers.

646
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 5: Of course, you know, if they're in two different tiers, great,

647
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 5: You're happy that that guy's the higher tier players still available.

648
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 5: That's you.

649
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: And then you'll say, we're still going to get a

650
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: wide receiver that we really like at fifty.

651
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: Three, yeah, or forty two, sure, forty six, two or

652
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 5: three of them go the beginning of Friday and you're like,

653
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Speaker 5: I don't like the way this is going. I'll dump

654
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Speaker 5: one of my third rounders and go get Cooper, who

655
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: happens to be there at thirty six. Yeah, okay, because

656
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: he didn't go in round one like everyone thinks he was.

657
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: That I guess that's also part of the when you

658
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: draw the line at the end of the equation. A

659
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 5: lot of these mock drafts have Cooper and CONCEPTSI owned,

660
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Speaker 5: and I.

661
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: Like the loss seeing some that have had six wide

662
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: receivers in the first round.

663
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Speaker 5: That's not going to happen. I believe now that's not

664
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: gonna happen. Going to be closer to three than five.

665
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Speaker 5: Just because you get to thirty two pretty quick, you

666
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 5: sure do Downs is going. You know, Theeman's going, Ione's going.

667
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 5: Not to mention Mendoza. If fifteen edges and tackles go,

668
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: that's half the first round, you know what I mean.

669
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: I mean, there's only thirty two going.

670
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 3: And some of those will go after twenty one.

671
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: But still, of course, of course, if twelve of the

672
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: fifteen or eleven of the fifteen in the top twenty,

673
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: you're in the top twenty, right, and that'd be a

674
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: good place to be first.

675
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: You know, Downs and styles of Mendoza and Love.

676
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: Were going to be one of the locks, absolute locks.

677
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 5: And what's his fase. I don't know if he's a

678
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 5: lock before twenty but the wide receiver from Ohio State

679
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 5: is Cage definitely is, you know, and.

680
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think Jermaud McCoy and Mansword de Layne

681
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: are as well.

682
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 5: Yes, and they don't hurt you. You you're not counting

683
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 5: on them being there.

684
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's a good place to be we are

685
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Speaker 3: what hope it made sense?

686
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally made sense, and we're twenty three days away

687
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: from seeing how that will potentially all play out. We've

688
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: got to take our final break here. When we return

689
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: on the other side, we will ride this thing out

690
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: with your questions, your comments, your concerns, your reaction. It'll

691
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: be the ex Twitter segment, as our buddy Dale Lallie

692
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Speaker 2: would have called it, and that will be our final

693
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Speaker 2: proceeding here from inside the Beltmore in Phoenix, Arizona, West

694
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: Shooler and Matt Williamson, of course on location for the

695
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: NFL League meetings. It is the Drive Steelers Nation Radio

696
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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

698
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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: It is our final segment here from our well. I

700
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Speaker 2: guess March home, Matt, right, I suppose, yeah, Indianapolis is

701
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: our February home, and Latrobe is our summer home.

702
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: I guess this is our spring break home.

703
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 5: We definitely have a summer home.

704
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: We certainly it's sharky.

705
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 5: These are vacations, that's right. Yeah, it's a spring breaks.

706
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: It has been a nice little spring break man It's

707
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: been a lot of fun. I know we've said that

708
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: a bunch of time. Different since our last segment. I'll

709
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: just reiterate it one time, because this is my first

710
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: time doing this. Is I kind of shared with you

711
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: this was like the last thing in the NFL calendar

712
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: for me to check off in terms of things that

713
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: I've done. Yeah, done the combine a bunch of times,

714
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: training camps. You know, I think we went over this conversation.

715
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: I've been to now twenty three of the thirty NFL stadiums.

716
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: I've done international games. I got to do a Super

717
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: Bowl in Radio Row and all that when I was

718
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: with the Eagles back in twenty eighteen. But I have

719
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: never in my let's see here total, it has been

720
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: eleven years working in the NFL, between three with the

721
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: Eagles and eight with the Steelers. So far, I'd never

722
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: done an owner's meeting and this was this was pretty

723
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: stink and cool.

724
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think I kind of laid it out

725
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 5: to you, but it's hard to explain. I mean, even

726
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 5: like when Dale would explain it to me or you know,

727
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 5: other folks. Then you spend a few days here and

728
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 5: it is just a different vibe you know, it's not

729
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 5: nearly the hustle and bustle of the Combine, but there

730
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: is a lot of action and things happen while you're here,

731
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 5: rule changes and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: You know, and they not that they treat us poorly

733
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: at the Combine, but they treat you like the prom

734
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: king here compared to.

735
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Speaker 5: The service and whatnot.

736
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: There's just food, and we've we've shame water. We've shared

737
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: these stories before.

738
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Speaker 2: For us to get just a bottle of water at

739
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: the Combine is like a fifteen minute round trip walk,

740
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: which you can't really do during a four minute commercial

741
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: break exactly. So here, man, there's coffee and drink and

742
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: food everywhere. They treat you very well. The dinner last night,

743
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: the the swag bags of all kinds of Nike, yeah

744
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: and new eras upper class it is, it is certainly

745
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: I feel like a one percent and I'm gonna walk

746
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: around with my pinky up the rest of the day

747
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: here until we leave tomorrow. But before we close down

748
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: the day's proceedings, you all know how we end things

749
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: this time of year. Let's get to some of your questions, comments, concerns,

750
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: reactions of course on on X on Twitter, The X Twitter,

751
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: as Dale would call it. At Williamson NFL at Wesley

752
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: Yuler is where you can participate with the show today, tomorrow,

753
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: all the time, whenever you want to. I although not

754
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: tomorrow because we won't have a show tomorrow.

755
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: We'll be trying.

756
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: Ian tweets and says gentlemen, hope you're enjoying the dry

757
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: heat down there in Arizona. On the Pat McAfee show,

758
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy said that they were planning on going to

759
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: six pro days but only made one.

760
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: Does this bother you at all for the overall draft process? First?

761
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: I heard that, not really, Yeah, I don't know if

762
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: it bothers me. I mean, I wish they could have

763
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: gone to as many as they wanted to.

764
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Speaker 5: But yeah, that doesn't mean no one was in attendance.

765
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Speaker 5: I mean they could have had area scouts there. I'm

766
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 5: I'm sure they did.

767
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: When he says they, he probably means him and Omar.

768
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Speaker 5: That's as I say, I'm not sure who he exactly

769
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 5: means by that couple notes. I don't know if everyone

770
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: knows this, but all the pro days are videoed and

771
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: sent to every team, so you can watch everything that

772
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 5: happened there. You can't pull back the curtain and chat

773
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 5: with people and learn from things here and there if

774
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: you're not there obviously, you know, or see your buddy

775
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 5: and be like, what do you think of this? Ty

776
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 5: Simpson goes shortever, you know, I mean, so, I guess

777
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 5: there's a little bit lost in that. But again, I'm

778
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 5: sure somebody was in attendance, but I guess it is

779
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 5: there's more cachet if it's the head coach and GM there.

780
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: I assume Ohio State was the only one. I would

781
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: think so I thought Georgia was one that they were

782
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 5: talking about. I don't know. I'm guessing on that. However,

783
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 5: what always blew me away over the years was the

784
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 5: Steelers were so well known for taking guys out the

785
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 5: dinner the night before their combine Mike and I never

786
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 5: knew how they pulled it off, Like, how do they

787
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 5: take six Michigan dudes out to dinner when they thirty one?

788
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 5: Other teams are like, Hey, I'd like to do that too.

789
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: They'd all like to go down with Mike Tomlin, I.

790
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 5: Guess, And I'm sure some of them went from the

791
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: Steelers one to the Bears one or whatever too, you know,

792
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 5: and maybe just didn't eat or had deserved or whatever. Yeah,

793
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 5: shook a hand or whatever. But still if you're taking

794
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 5: several dudes out, like I know the Iowa one with

795
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 5: like Jack Campbell and those guys, he had four or

796
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 5: five of all the top picks, are the Steelers losing that?

797
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: I have no idea. I never knew how it worked

798
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: to begin with, or how they pulled it off to

799
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 5: begin with.

800
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: Some of that behind the scenes stuff that.

801
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 5: Unless year's definitely advantages. No, there certainly is scouting, is

802
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: you know, private investigating in some way, you know.

803
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, there is so much video and

804
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: information readily available in this modern era as well.

805
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 5: Now you didn't see every throw in every route and every.

806
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: Test result in all that.

807
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

808
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: Michael Edesso tweets us and says, okay, guys, let's talk

809
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: off ball linebacker. After this season, only Peyton Wilson and

810
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Carson Brunner are under contract. They've had numerous contact with

811
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: prospects in the draft if you read the reports, especially

812
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: top ones. Tony Pauline has said they love CJ. Allen

813
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: and they were at the Georgia Pro day. Jacob Rodriguez

814
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: from Texas Tech I know most fans and maybe even

815
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: you guys probably wouldn't want to draft the linebacker in

816
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: round one, But I think it's at least worth a

817
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: discussion because I think it's plausible and certainly plausible in

818
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: their top one hundred picks. Well, definitely in the top

819
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: one hundred five. You've got five of those. I think

820
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: i'd shot round one. But everything you say is correct

821
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: about the quality of That's one of the positions that

822
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: if you ask people to list the strengths in this draft,

823
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: that comes up quickly.

824
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 5: It does, and there are multiple round one options, and

825
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 5: Michael knows the stuff. He tweets us all the time.

826
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 5: It's an odd conversation because let's say you would go

827
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 5: round one, would you then field option offers for Queen?

828
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: I think you would almost have to.

829
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it almost have to. If you go

830
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 5: that deep in what if it's round two, then maybe

831
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: you just play it out and have a bunch of

832
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: guys there and one of them is a really good

833
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 5: special teamer. Blah blah blah. Sure, I definitely think you're

834
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 5: drafting one, and I think the third rounds probably when

835
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 5: you really start to talk about it, or a slight

836
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: trade up or something like that. But I don't know.

837
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: I guess is the answer. I mean a lot of

838
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: these questions rarely do I answer. I don't know, but

839
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: there are a lot of them. I would bet everything

840
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 5: I have just about that they draft a off the

841
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: ball linebacker, probably in the top four rounds, no matter what,

842
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 5: which is seven picks. I can't imagine there'd being six

843
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: more needs more than linebacker.

844
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: No.

845
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 5: I just tend to think it might be next year's project,

846
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 5: you know. And it doesn't mean you can't re up queen.

847
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: You know, hopefully, especially if you know new, new look,

848
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: new outcome for him. In Patrick Graham's defense, yeah, he might.

849
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: He might have an outstanding season.

850
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 5: And Wilson's on under contract much longer either.

851
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: No, this is his last year.

852
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good for Wilson. Well, Wilson and Bruner sorry,

853
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: have one more year?

854
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 5: One more? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, they'll be back a year

855
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 5: from now. But then correct, they're up. Yes, this time

856
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 5: renders a different beast. I mean, he's not you don't

857
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 5: even counting him to be a linebacker.

858
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

859
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: Another one of our regular Sudesh tweets us and says,

860
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: I can't help but think that Cleveland proposed that five

861
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: year trade rule so they could try and get more

862
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: first round picks for Miles Garrett.

863
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 5: Maybe it's still you get plenty of the next three.

864
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: Year they will get there.

865
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: If they decide to move Miles Garrett, they'll they'll have

866
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: plenty of picks. I think jim Bo Deane tweets us

867
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: and says, hey, guys, pee one here. Hey, everybody's a

868
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: p one baby. I love it, he said. I was

869
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: just able to do a mock draft ended kind of

870
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: similar to the one that you guys did last week,

871
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: with trading back a few times. I was able to

872
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: get Phillies twenty twenty seven second round pick and the

873
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: Jets twenty seven first round pick. Maybe unrealistic, but would

874
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: you take it or go fish?

875
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this right now.

876
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 5: Oh those two things are pretty draft.

877
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: I would be willing to do pretty much anything to

878
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: get the Jets first round pick for twenty seven and

879
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: an Eagle second rounder as well.

880
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't know what he ended up with him.

881
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 5: I'm looking at it.

882
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: He ended up with Max I n Shore at pick

883
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: thirty three in the second round.

884
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 5: Okay, being the Steelers first. I mean that sounds wonderful.

885
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 5: I mean, sure, the most valuable asset is the Jets

886
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 5: first round Oh myxt year. I mean, that's almost guarantee

887
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 5: you the top ten. It might be one. They're not

888
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: going to trade it no matter what. I don't think,

889
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 5: so there's no chance. I think that's too But no

890
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 5: way the Jets are moving their first round pick.

891
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: I do.

892
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: I do think it's unrealistic, but I would definitely be

893
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: into it if that is a possibility, and.

894
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 5: The Jets first round pick next year's worth more than

895
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: twenty one this year.

896
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: Michael tweets us and says it seems as though Dylan

897
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: Cook is a restricted free agent next offseason. Does that

898
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: alter any thoughts about needing to draft that position? We

899
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, Michael, if you listened to the show yesterday,

900
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: but we kind of actually dug into this a lot,

901
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: what you would do with Dylan Cook and Spencer Anderson.

902
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: We did that on the show yesterday and how we

903
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: talked about now might be the time to extend those guys.

904
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: They get a well earned pay bump in a career

905
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: where they haven't made a ton of money.

906
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it gives you some security going.

907
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: Forward, but it also doesn't you're not marrying them with

908
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: a massive contract at the same time.

909
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 5: It just can It doesn't prohibit you from drafting one

910
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 5: high exactly right, kind of you know, go over them

911
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: or what you've won too many offensive linemen. That's not

912
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 5: the worst problem I've ever heard.

913
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 3: That's not a problem at all, I don't think so.

914
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: We discussed all those things yesterday, but it would not

915
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: alter our thoughts about the needs in the draft. But

916
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: we would be very interested in locking up Dylan Cook

917
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: and Spencer Anderson as well. For yeah, yeah, Cody tweets

918
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: us and says, new mock draft rule for you guys

919
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: going forward, you must take Iowa guard Jennings Dunker on

920
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: every mock because with a name like that, he is

921
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: a yinser fever dream a Jennings Dunker at Iowa.

922
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 3: Do you see how he looked in at Iowa uniform.

923
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: Right, And he's got the crazy hair and everybody loves

924
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 5: him and he's a good prospect. But let's not scout

925
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 5: on you know what they look like walking in the

926
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 5: room too much. You know, he's not a make or

927
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 5: break player, but he's probably going the round two. Yeah,

928
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 5: he might be a tackle. He certainly could be a guard.

929
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: Jennings dunker Well, I watched all his tape in a

930
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: big ten man. He was good.

931
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Mister Steele City tweets us and says, would you guys

932
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: say a good comparison for Chris brazl Is Marquez Valdez Scantling. Obviously,

933
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: I don't mean the recent Steelers at BS, but I

934
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: see some similar traits from his younger Packard.

935
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 5: Much more talented Valdis Scantling.

936
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: Brazzle much more talented. Gotcha.

937
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 5: They're both six'. Four they both run really low four

938
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 5: to four or forty. Times But brassle's much, smoother much

939
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 5: more athletic in every other, trait more, explosive better out

940
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 5: of his, breaks better changing. Direction brassle's closer To pickens

941
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 5: in terms of just things he was born.

942
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: With, gotcha the natural raw ability that you can't.

943
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 5: Coach it's really really.

944
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: High Eclectic genius tweets us and, says show question For

945
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 2: wes what are the ones and? Twos and for Matt

946
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: Our Dear craig Wifflely rip used to speculate That Broderck

947
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: jones might be a outstanding. Guard what do you think of?

948
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: That For PLAN B if he loses the left tackle,

949
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: competition it could. Factor and you've brought that up a few. Times,

950
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 3: yeah this this offseason.

951
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: If your best five Is cook at left tackle And

952
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 5: jones that left. Guard SO i would take e speariment with.

953
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 5: IT i.

954
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: CAN i understand you'd be asking him to play what

955
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: a third different position in four, years BUT i think

956
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: he might find a home he might find really excel

957
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: the ones and twos get on the. Field the ones

958
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: and twos is an old name from from the turntable,

959
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: days right where you had two sets of vinyl and

960
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: you had your, mixer and that was the ones and.

961
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: Twos it's an OLD dj, term but now we just

962
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: kind of use it for producers and the people who

963
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: are pushing the buttons and moving the sliders and all

964
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: those different things and hitting the commercials and controlling our.

965
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: Microphones so, yeah when you hear me say thanks To

966
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: nathan on the ones and twos actually here in a few,

967
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: Minutes i'll say thanks To brian on the ones and

968
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: twos were producing for.

969
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: Us that's just an, old an OLD.

970
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: Dj turntable term from kind of the vinyl mixer era

971
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: that has been repurposed here for modern.

972
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 5: TIMES i always knew what it, meant THAT i didn't

973
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 5: know where it came. From, again that's going back.

974
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: Today matt learned for, one one and ones and, twos maybe.

975
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 5: What everyone meant when they when they came, up BUT

976
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 5: i didn't know where it came.

977
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: From, listen you come for the football, education you stay

978
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 2: for the life.

979
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 5: Lessons oh, education talk for three, hours something's gonna come.

980
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: Up Bridge burner brings up an interesting point. Here the

981
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: last time there was a replacement ref scenario in twenty,

982
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: twelve there wasn't the current thirty billion dollars plus of

983
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: legal wagers placed in THE nfl every single. SEASON i

984
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: can't imagine seriously botched calls are going to be popular

985
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: in that. REALM i think with that amount of money

986
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: has to have influence on this. Situation do you.

987
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: AGREE i think that's a great.

988
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 5: POINT i think it's a tremendous. Point AND i also

989
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 5: think the word legal is important here, too because let's

990
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 5: not pretend that there weren't.

991
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: Bets oh, sure but now it's everything sponsored by FanDuel

992
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: and draft, rights and the leagues have partners and the

993
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: teams have. Partners you might not get your knee b

994
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: because of. It you, Know tony might not be knocking

995
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: on your door.

996
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 5: All, Right but more importantly are the. Sponsors, YEAH i

997
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 5: mean these got are putting a lot of money in

998
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 5: the league, too so, yes they want the the outcomes

999
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 5: of the game to be as proper as. Possible correct

1000
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 5: more now than, EVER i would, say CORRECT.

1001
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Rj tweets us in your guys', Opinions what are the

1002
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: three must have for The steelers by the time the

1003
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: draft ends could be positions or capital for next?

1004
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 5: Year at least a wide receiver of, NOTE i.

1005
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: Would, say wide receiver of, note offensive lineman of.

1006
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 5: Note, yes a left, side left, guard left tackle.

1007
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: Something my third thing might be a safety with some.

1008
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: Speed, YEAH i think that's my.

1009
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: THIRD i would love to say better more draft capital

1010
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: for next, year but, again IS i JUST i don't

1011
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: know how.

1012
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: MIGHT i don't know how realistic that. Is but what

1013
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: is realistic is.

1014
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 5: Fifth for next year's. Fourth, okay but that's not going

1015
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 5: to Get Jarge.

1016
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 3: BANNING'S i could get You Leanor's, sellers but, No i'm with.

1017
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: YOU i think high end wide, receiver high end offensive.

1018
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: Lineman get me a safety with some speed on the back,

1019
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: end and there, too that would be my list here

1020
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: As yeah. Yeah Pittsburgh conversation tweets us and, says does

1021
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: anyone have any hunches where The steelers will open the

1022
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: first week of the. SEASON i have a trip planned

1023
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: To pittsburgh rolling the dice and already booked my hotel

1024
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: for week one fingers. CROSSED i will Say pirates are

1025
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: not in town that, weekend which helps them just being

1026
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: a home game The steelers have ALSO i think in

1027
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: like the last, decade only opened the season at home

1028
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: like twice in the last ten years or twice in

1029
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: the last nine.

1030
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 5: Years that increases their.

1031
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: Chances SO i think that that's a good dice roll

1032
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: by You Pittsburgh conversation and a first case.

1033
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: SCENARIO i have to come To pittsburgh and hang out

1034
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 5: with us then do. That that's.

1035
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: Right we can share some good spots for you to take.

1036
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 3: In take in the. Action let's see.

1037
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: Here maddie tweets and, SAYS i Know Taylor green is

1038
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: raw and probably a, project but his tools are very.

1039
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: Intriguing do you guys think The steelers would have any

1040
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: interest on him using a late round?

1041
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 5: Pick? Yeah, ACCEPT i think he's gonna cost a third

1042
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 5: you think? SO i think somebody's gonna fall in love

1043
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 5: with the. Trades so here's in trades is an interesting.

1044
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 5: Word he's really big and these really. Fast, yeah but

1045
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 5: his quarterback traits leave a lot to be.

1046
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: Desired, sure, yeah here's here's maybe Something matt we could

1047
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: do in the back half of the week when we're

1048
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: back at the. Studio let's talk about all these quarterbacks

1049
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 2: not Named mendoza Or simpson and what's the highest round

1050
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: we think they should or could be drafted.

1051
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 3: In does that sound like an? Exercise, yeah let's let's

1052
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: let's do.

1053
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 5: This somebody might fall in love with what he. Does

1054
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 5: he's so much different than everybody else, totally And i'm

1055
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 5: not paying that.

1056
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: Price joe tweets and, says with the evolution OF nfl,

1057
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: terminology middle linebacker is now off ball, linebacker outside linebacker

1058
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: is now, edge can we look at a new name for?

1059
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 2: Tackles they don't tackle? Anyone, yeah he, says how about a,

1060
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: protector how about a, Maler, yeah he could be left,

1061
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: protector right.

1062
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: PROTECTOR i get what.

1063
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 5: You're, saying BUT i always found it interesting that there's

1064
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 5: an offensive tackle on the defensive that tackle yeast.

1065
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: One side tackles actually makes. Tackles but that that's. Funny

1066
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: you guys are.

1067
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: Funny last one here, today AND i did this on

1068
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: Purpose matt C R Steeler Nation. Chicago of, course you

1069
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: know he's a regular caller INTO snr And steeler, programming

1070
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: but he does tweet from time to time. Too he,

1071
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: says My steeler brothers from another. Mother you guys are

1072
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: out In. Phoenix have you Seen Max? Starks isn't that his?

1073
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: Country?

1074
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah it sure.

1075
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: Is we've Seen.

1076
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: MAX i think we're actually grabbing dinner With max tonight as.

1077
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: Well and you know WHY i wanted to SAVE cr

1078
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 2: for last, Two. Matt today Is CR's Birthday march thirty,

1079
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Speaker 2: first nineteen forty.

1080
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: FIVE cr AND.

1081
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: I cr AND i are friends On, facebook SO i

1082
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: got that little you know whose birthday it?

1083
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: Is?

1084
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: Notification so what eighty one years old FOR?

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Speaker 5: Cr IF i can do the math on that, one going,

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Speaker 5: strong it sounds.

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Speaker 2: Like Steeler Nations, chicago one of our loyalists here ON.

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Speaker 3: Snr Big happy birthday TO. Cr.

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Speaker 2: MATT i think that'll do it for the day's. PROCEDING

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Speaker 2: i think that will do it for our three, days

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Speaker 2: so plenty of people we have to thank thanks To

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Speaker 2: nathan On sunday And brian the past two days on

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Speaker 2: The ones And, Twoes Jason Emil, nate everybody here on

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Speaker 2: The steelers video team that's been making this possible for

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Speaker 2: the video. Element of, course TO tv for putting everything

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Speaker 2: back together back In Western. Pennsylvania will be excited to

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Speaker 2: SEE tv again at the end of this. WEEK i

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Speaker 2: get back in the studio with. Him and for our

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Speaker 2: guests that we've had, HERE i HOPE i don't forget,

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Speaker 2: anybody but we Had Jeremy, faller we Had mike The,

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Speaker 2: fabo we Had Chris, aleck we Had Chris, adamski and

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Speaker 2: we Had Alan. SAUNDERS i believe those were the five

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Speaker 2: that we had here throughout the. Week thanks to those

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Speaker 2: guys for joining us as.

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Speaker 3: Well For Matt. Williamson I'm West. Shouler take care.

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Speaker 2: Everybody next time we talk to, you we will be

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Speaker 2: back In pittsburgh and back On East coast. Time and as,

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Speaker 2: always you know where to find. Us it's on your

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Speaker 2: twenty four to Seven home of The black And Gold

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation radio on The Steelers Audio.

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