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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. He's Nick right, one of our favorites. First thing,

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Speaker 1: first co host on Fox Sports one, and he joins

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Speaker 1: us from his car. Where are you right now? I'm

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Speaker 1: outside of a Costco, Dan, waiting for some new tires,

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Speaker 1: my friend. That's what I'm doing. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: I always make time for you. Never say no. Can

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Speaker 1: I tell you a story story from married life that

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Speaker 1: has put me in this position? Sure? Okay, so um

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Speaker 1: as you can tell and your viewers can tell just

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Speaker 1: from this little snapshot. I obviously have a very fine

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Speaker 1: luxury vehicle and I bought it recently, and about a

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Speaker 1: month ago, my wife said, we need new tires. Like, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't. Just got the car a year ago, definitely

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Speaker 1: don't need new tires. She said, we need new tires.

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Speaker 1: And I, you know, I said, okay, yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to say this, you know, my

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Speaker 1: I should be. I kind of felt like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's my territory, this is the car, this is the tires.

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Speaker 1: I know that's an achronistic, but I'm just being honest

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Speaker 1: with you, my friend. So two weeks later, she and

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Speaker 1: I are driving doing some Christmas shopping west Side Highway

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Speaker 1: in Manhattan, feeling flat tire and I swear Dan, I

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Speaker 1: tried to ignore it. I tried to just pretend it did.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't happening. And my wife says to me, she says,

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Speaker 1: it wrong with the car, and I again, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what my plan was. I said, nope. She looks,

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Speaker 1: she looks out the window. She said, pieces of the

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Speaker 1: tire are flying off. So I'm on the west Side Highway.

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Speaker 1: I find there's no good place to pull over. I

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Speaker 1: pull over. She's like, I'm calling Tripla. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: you're not. I'm doing this myself, fixing this tire. So

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Speaker 1: I changed the tire. Do that. She's like, I told

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Speaker 1: you we need new tires. I'm like, yes, baby, you're right.

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Speaker 1: So that day, you know, buy him on costco dot

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Speaker 1: com show to them set the appointment. Dan. Sunday, I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting there watching football, upset because my Chiefs have lost.

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Speaker 1: My wife is out with my youngest daughter. I get

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Speaker 1: a phone call, and I don't believe in premonitions, but

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Speaker 1: as soon as the phone rang, I was like, Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 1: I bet we have another flat tire. She calls me,

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Speaker 1: it's raining. Me and your daughter are on the side

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Speaker 1: of the highway. Another flat fare. Put it on, Dan,

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Speaker 1: that's what you have, triple A four. Nick. Yeah. You

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Speaker 1: know what, Back when I was a kid, when men

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Speaker 1: were men, Dan, we did that stuff ourselves. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: new tires, new tires. Okay, wait minute, hold on here.

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Speaker 1: Who believes that Nick Wright changed the tire on the video?

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Speaker 1: On it? You have video? Are you talking about? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because my wife thought I was gonna fail. My wife

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Speaker 1: thought I was gonna fail. You are a lug nut. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us here. Where do you want to start?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to start with Aaron Rodgers? Is a jerk?

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield shutting it down? Why now not last week

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh's story. Let's start with Aaron Rodgers. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers because the hub arkish interview happened on

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Speaker 1: the Parkins and Speedel show on six seventy to score.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if you're familiar with Danny Parkins,

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Speaker 1: but I've known him for twenty years. He and I

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Speaker 1: did college radio together. I think he's the best local

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Speaker 1: talk radio host in America on the sports scene. So

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Speaker 1: I'd like to start there. Give him a shout out.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing I think, Aaron Rodgers at the MVP,

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Speaker 1: I also think this idea. The unanimous Twitter response was,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, there is why media shouldn't have votes.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the you know the So before Dan

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Speaker 1: the woke mob comes to put poor hub Arkish in

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Speaker 1: a canceled culture casket, let me say this. The line

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Speaker 1: of reasoning that hub ark used to not vote for

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is used all the time in MVP discussions.

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Speaker 1: I had to hear about how Brady, Why is Brady

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Speaker 1: the MVP even when he hasn't the numbers all? Why

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Speaker 1: he brought his team together, he helped build the roster,

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Speaker 1: he held offseason activities. We always use not just the

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Speaker 1: numbers to make or not make MVP cases. So how

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Speaker 1: Arkish feels Aaron Rodgers, you know, non number stuff works

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Speaker 1: against him. I agree it works against him. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's to me it doesn't work against him enough. Like, yes,

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Speaker 1: distractions and played terribly, certainly cost them the Chiefs game,

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Speaker 1: but despite that, they're still the one seat. So I

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Speaker 1: don't so I don't think how Barkish's argument is a

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Speaker 1: ludicrous one. I just think Rogers on field excellence and

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Speaker 1: the Packers excellence is enough to overcome it. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's totally fair to say how good of a

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Speaker 1: teammate are you, how much of a distraction do you cause?

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Speaker 1: In a and way that as part of the MVP discussion.

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Speaker 1: I think if he had chosen different words than people

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Speaker 1: he was a distraction cost his team week one, and

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Speaker 1: we could argue that. But I think there's validity there

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Speaker 1: what happened with Kansas City and at the time I

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Speaker 1: said on the show, this will be held against Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers in the MVP race. It's going it should, yes,

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Speaker 1: and it should, and I have no problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I just think that the language or it felt like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Chicago radio station in a season where Rogers says I

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Speaker 1: still own you, and you're playing to your audience a

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Speaker 1: little bit there. I think if the language was a

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Speaker 1: argument through and more people would have understood it and said, yes,

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Speaker 1: you're right. I also think it does reveal this part

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Speaker 1: of it. I think how many people vote for the

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy, like I assumed mclovin, even though he's gone now,

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Speaker 1: I think he got a Heisman Trophy vote when he left,

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Speaker 1: like that was part of the package. Like, I think

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Speaker 1: it's a thousand people vote for that. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's too many. I think fifty NFL MPP voters when

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Speaker 1: they only submit one name, not even a full ballot,

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Speaker 1: that's probably too few. Like, Yeah, I think the NBA

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Speaker 1: probably has it right. A hundred voters and you submit

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Speaker 1: a one through five. That way, the margin for error

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Speaker 1: is to me, it's not as likely to get screwed

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Speaker 1: up by a few people. And so I think that

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Speaker 1: maybe you could look at it that way. But I

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Speaker 1: think the media should still vote on these things. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's perfect, but I think it's better than algorithms,

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Speaker 1: and it's certainly certainly better than players who are going

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Speaker 1: to have their own biases. There. We're talking to Nick

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Speaker 1: right first things first, and also a part time mechanic.

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Speaker 1: He'll work on the pitch during the NASCAR season. As well. No,

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Speaker 1: only European cars. Then oh so f one, Yeah, exactly

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Speaker 1: me and was hamiled. Oh I like that. Do you

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Speaker 1: believe that Jim Harbaugh is considering might be interested in

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Speaker 1: of friends. Guy does this? Guy? Does you? Danny Parkins

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Speaker 1: or actually nationwide. And he's a diehard Michigan fan. And

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Speaker 1: he said this to me a month ago, and I

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Speaker 1: thought he was full of it. He goes, doesn't it

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Speaker 1: feel like the ultimate Harball move? To finally beat Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: to finally win the Big Ten? And then say, deuces,

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Speaker 1: you guys cut my pay. You guys made me eat it.

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Speaker 1: So I've done. I've come. I've done what I said

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Speaker 1: And when he said it, I thought he was nuts.

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Speaker 1: But it seems reasonable. And while I think there is

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Speaker 1: going to be a chilling effect on hiring college coaches,

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Speaker 1: Harball might be the exception there because he already had

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Speaker 1: great success in the NFL. I think there's something to it.

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Speaker 1: then going to leave and go to the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: Now you win. And I also find the reaction to

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Speaker 1: because it's we beat Ohio State. Yeah, but you got

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Speaker 1: blown out embarrassed against Georgia. Yeah but we beat Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: If it was reversed, Ohio State fans, yeah, we beat Michigan.

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Speaker 1: blown out by Georgia. I don't know what Michigan's tolerance

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Speaker 1: out recruit Ohio State. Well that's a good Listen. The

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Speaker 1: Michigan and Ohio State are arrivals, but they are not

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Speaker 1: in the same class historically in college football. Like what

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Speaker 1: does Michigan have one championship in the last what sixty

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Speaker 1: I just no, you know. I obviously used to do

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Speaker 1: the show with Chris Carter's Ohio State guy, and whenever

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Speaker 1: historically a far better program than Michigan, and so to

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Speaker 1: me there is It's not Alabama Auburn, but it's probably

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Speaker 1: the Kyrie situation, I know you've been close to it

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Speaker 1: he can't play home games here. Uh. And and you

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Speaker 1: know the vaccine mandate city by city. It seems very

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Speaker 1: fluid right now. But what is that your tire guy

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Speaker 1: right there? Yeah, Dan, I'm gonna have to take this

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Speaker 1: on the show on the road. So you keep asking

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Speaker 1: me about Kyrie. Okay, go ahead. There's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little rain here, buddy, but we can make it through, right.

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Speaker 1: I'm here for you, Dan Patrick. Uh, Kyrie? You so? Yeah, Kyrie?

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Speaker 1: How do you? I think this plays out with the

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Speaker 1: Nets and Kyrie terribly? It's an awful idea. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe they're doing it. Everyone agreed it was a terrible idea.

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Speaker 1: the only way it could work, Dan, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: If they made him the sixth man, I think that

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Speaker 1: could work if they were like, we need Katie and

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Speaker 1: But they're not going to do that. So I think

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Speaker 1: along with this charade that this actually can work, shouldn't

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Speaker 1: they intentionally make sure they're no better than the fifth seed?

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Speaker 1: If their argument is we are better with all three

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Speaker 1: of them, then don't you want to start every playoff

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Speaker 1: any potential game seven have all three of them. It's

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Speaker 1: not like, oh, we're gonna miss out on the amazing

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Speaker 1: Moran MVPA Barclays couple days, So I think I think

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Speaker 1: don't think it'll work, because it's like, winning is good,

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Speaker 1: but you know what's also good losing? Losing is good too,

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Speaker 1: I think the whole thing is insane. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: serious organization would engage in it. That's what I think.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go and you attend to your tires.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield situation. I don't know why he's shutting it

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Speaker 1: down now, didn't shut it down before. And it feels

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Speaker 1: like he said I'm not gonna play, I'm gonna have surgery.

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Speaker 1: the injury, but just time and time again, they needed

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Speaker 1: to make simple passes and they couldn't do it, and

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Speaker 1: they threw too much. Right, and so to sit and

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Speaker 1: watch at home Sunday, know that your playoff chances are dead,

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Speaker 1: and then go get him sacked nine times on Monday,

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Speaker 1: it's it's It was the most disappointing end, and now

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Speaker 1: we lead to a period of complete uncertainty. The ideal situation,

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Speaker 1: Dan was Baker plays well here in the contract, the

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Speaker 1: Browns go forward, they finally have their guy. This is

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Speaker 1: the exact opposite of that. Would you rather cover a

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Speaker 1: I'm here for the interesting. There's no doubt. Now it

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Speaker 1: was great last year when the Browns won and they

436
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Speaker 1: finally broke all these streaks that dated back to two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two and even back some to the nineties.

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Speaker 1: But they're not dull and we'll see. You know, quarterback

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Speaker 1: searches are good for business. Jack, great appearance. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time, and good luck with the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you. That's Jack Jackson. He covers the

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Speaker 1: echem on NBC and Peacock Al How are you today? Hello,

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Speaker 1: Bob Barker, that's that's you right? Well, I was up

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Speaker 1: for the job prices right, and uh after after Bob

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Speaker 1: So what was the what was the David Bowie final price?

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear two fifty, two hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars two fifty. Yeah, so he's half of what Springsteen was, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty much. So what about Juice Newton? What do you

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Speaker 1: think you snoot or library? We'll go for what was

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Speaker 1: your first concert? Now? Oh, good question. Tommy Dorsey, Jimmy Dorsey,

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Speaker 1: you're not that old. I can't remember remember you, Benny Goodman?

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Speaker 1: What do you want me to tell you? Tchaikovsky? Did

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Speaker 1: you see did you see Mozart? I did not see

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Speaker 1: him personally, but I was able to log in. Wait, mate, okay,

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Speaker 1: hold on, al you have one of the greatest memories

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Speaker 1: that I've ever been around when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 1: And you cannot remember your first concert, I can't, but

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Speaker 1: I can remember the last one or one of the

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Speaker 1: most recent ones. I went to a Springsteen concert. I

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Speaker 1: had never been to a Springsteen concert. And his good

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Speaker 1: buddy is the great sitcom director Jimmy Burrows, longtime friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, and so Jimmy took me backstage afterwards. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was one of the most fantastic things I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen. Four hours la Sports Arena, he gets CrowdSurf.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's in his mid to late sixties at

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Speaker 1: that point, going on for four consecutive hours. And I

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Speaker 1: remember walking back into the dressing room and it was

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome to meet the boss himself and I said, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I said, first time called, long time listener. He said,

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Speaker 1: I've never been to a concert but to one of his.

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Speaker 1: But that was, you know, it was inspiring to see

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Speaker 1: this guy doing what he did every other night. This

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Speaker 1: is not that long ago, and that's the last one

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Speaker 1: I can remember, but the first one I've got. I've

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Speaker 1: got to think about it again, I really do. But

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Speaker 1: when's the last time you you approached a player after

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Speaker 1: a performance in a game? Like here you're seeing Springsteen

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Speaker 1: as a fan, But have you ever gone up to

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Speaker 1: a player after a game just to say I just

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Speaker 1: want to say or whatever? Sport, all the sports you've covered,

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Speaker 1: I've texted. But you know, when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: end of the game, we're just trying to beat the traffic.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, we're out of there. We don't go

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Speaker 1: down Chris and I and I mean ship my moment

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Speaker 1: shows down on the field talking to the start of

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Speaker 1: the game. But I've texted a few of the guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've had some spectacular Tom Brady performances. Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manny of course through all of those years, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: the guys that you would most expect, and you know,

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Speaker 1: just a little text exchange about that was fantastic, and

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Speaker 1: I'm great for the ratings too. More importantly, but even

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Speaker 1: after the miracle on ice, like, did you even think

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Speaker 1: about saying something to Mike Eruzione for what happened? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's how I founded out the story of what Herb

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Speaker 1: Brooks had said in the locker room before the third

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Speaker 1: period of the Finland game. I ran into Mike on

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Speaker 1: the street in Lake Placid. Everybody's getting ready to leave town,

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Speaker 1: and I said to him, because remember the US had

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Speaker 1: beaten the Soviets on Friday night, that still had one

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Speaker 1: more game, had to meet Finland on Sunday, and the

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Speaker 1: game that started at eleven in the morning with trailing

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Speaker 1: two to one going into the third period. And I said,

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Speaker 1: what was it like in the locker room before the

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Speaker 1: third period? And Mike said, Brooks got up there and

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Speaker 1: he said, if you lose this game, you will take

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Speaker 1: it to your bleeping grave, which was probably as good

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Speaker 1: a pep talk as has ever been given. Better than

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Speaker 1: anything that newt Rocknew or the Party or anybody could

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Speaker 1: have given in any locker room. And you don't want

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Speaker 1: When you think about what Brooks said to that team,

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Speaker 1: it's ten thousand percent correct because these guys instead of

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Speaker 1: dining out on a gold medal forty two years ago,

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Speaker 1: now they would have gone around. People would have said, no,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, you beat the Soviets and you lost

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Speaker 1: to Finland. What so it was those are the perfect

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Speaker 1: words that were uttered by her Brooks that day. But

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Speaker 1: also your great call would have been a casualty. If

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Speaker 1: they didn't win the gold medal? Do you believe in miracles?

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't have the same ring that it does. So if

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Speaker 1: they lose to Finland, I probably could have said, do

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Speaker 1: you believe in debacle? But but it all worked out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know a Russione of course with the with

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Speaker 1: the game winning gold in the third period, US has

544
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Speaker 1: really dined out on this video. So he's you've met him.

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Speaker 1: He sais a great guy and it's been fantastic to

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Speaker 1: watch to watch that run through the years. I did

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Speaker 1: introduce him one time the Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year,

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Speaker 1: and they had all these luminaries in the audience, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going around the room and I go, oh, there's

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Speaker 1: Mike RUSSIONI still on scholarship in America. He didn't like

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Speaker 1: that that I said, oh, yeah, there's a guy who's

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Speaker 1: still still on scholarship. For people who didn't meet John Madden,

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Speaker 1: that we listened to him, we watched him, you were

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Speaker 1: friends with him, you were close with him. What didn't

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Speaker 1: we see with John? Men? You know, what you saw

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Speaker 1: is what you got. And and people say to me, well,

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Speaker 1: what was he really like? And I said, he was

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Speaker 1: really like pretty much what you saw. He was full

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Speaker 1: of life, he was full of energy. He was a

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Speaker 1: great conversationalist, I said the other day, a great teacher,

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Speaker 1: but a terrific listener and wanted to learn. Was very curious.

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Speaker 1: I loved, you know, traveling around the country being with people,

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Speaker 1: and he enjoyed that. And there wasn't anything about John

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Speaker 1: that said, hey, look and I'm a big celebrity. I'm

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Speaker 1: one of the most recognizable people in the country. No,

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Speaker 1: it was none of that. He was more interested in

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Speaker 1: absorbing things than in playing any sort of a role.

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Speaker 1: Going out to dinner with him was fantastic, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: when I think about my seven years with him, and

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Speaker 1: we did one hundred and fifty games together in three

571
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Speaker 1: Super Bowls, all I really think about it are the

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Speaker 1: great times we had at dinner talking about football, of course,

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Speaker 1: but everything but football, and he was he was so

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Speaker 1: special by the way. I was just thinking of something

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Speaker 1: this morning that really hasn't been out there that you

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Speaker 1: might be you'll be interested in this. So John comes

577
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: to me in two thousand and two because Pat summer

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Speaker 1: All is going to step aside, and it's about time

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Speaker 1: for John too. You know, maybe either move on to

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Speaker 1: get a new partner, and ABC approaches him and I

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00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: get John from two thousand and two through two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight seven seasons. John almost came to Monday Night

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Speaker 1: Football in nineteen ninety four, which was when CBS lost

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Speaker 1: the rights, Fox gained the rights to the NFC. Who

585
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Speaker 1: are they going to hire? This is before they hire

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Speaker 1: Pat and John and the whole production crew. So ABC

587
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: now goes after John, and there is a meeting in

588
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Speaker 1: New York in ninety right after this happened in ninety

589
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Speaker 1: four between the top ABC executive and John's representative at

590
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Speaker 1: that time, and there was a handshake and a toast

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Speaker 1: that John was going to come to Monday night football.

592
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Speaker 1: And I got the call from our execut that night,

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Speaker 1: and I went to bed that night thinking John is

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Speaker 1: my partner beginning in nineteen ninety four. The next day

595
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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdock comes in and writes an eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year check to John and that was the end

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Speaker 1: of that. And that created this, you know, this a

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Speaker 1: loggerheads thing between the ABC executive and Barry's susan and

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Speaker 1: John's representative at the time, which which went on from

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Speaker 1: a lot of years. But we thought we had John

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. Did the network think of like

602
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Speaker 1: tuning him down a little bit? Like what? I don't

603
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Speaker 1: know if if he was too He was so different

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Speaker 1: from everybody else, So did they try to calm him

605
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Speaker 1: down a little bit with his approach to being announced? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Fox. Did I think that, you know,

607
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: had he come over to ABC? No, I mean, when

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Speaker 1: you if you were going to sign John Madden to

609
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Speaker 1: do the show, you wanted him to be John Madden.

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Speaker 1: Why why would you tune him down? The thing with

611
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Speaker 1: him was he had established a new template. People loved it.

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Speaker 1: He was a guy who, as you know, spawned a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of imitators, but nobody there was only one

614
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Speaker 1: John Madden, and nobody else could play the role of

615
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Speaker 1: John Madden and be authentic, So there was no way

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Speaker 1: you could do that. I know. When John came to

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Speaker 1: me after he had been with Pat for twenty or

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Speaker 1: twenty one years, we talked about the fact that that

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Speaker 1: maybe I was more. I spoke more than Pat did.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to engage John in certain conversations which I

621
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Speaker 1: heard him through the years. He would talk about and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go deeper, and I said, Hey, are

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Speaker 1: you okay if we go this way? He said, I'd

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Speaker 1: love it. So that was how we started. And then

625
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: the first game that we did together was the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame game in two thousand and two, and day

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Speaker 1: by the time we got to the second commercial, I

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Speaker 1: thought I'd work with him for twenty years. It was

629
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Speaker 1: that simple. It was that easy. And it's tricky because

630
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Speaker 1: as the play by play guy, setting up your analyst

631
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: is delicate, and there's a delicate balance in those who

632
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: do it well. You know, Nance does it. What Nance

633
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: does to me is more impressive than what Tony Romo

634
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: does because Jim has to kind of set up Tony

635
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: and then weave back into the play by play. How

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Speaker 1: did you do that with John where you get he

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Speaker 1: gets in and then gets out, and then you go

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Speaker 1: back to the play by play. I think when the

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Speaker 1: two of us were paired together in two thousand and two,

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00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: I had heard him for over twenty years. He was

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Speaker 1: always on the bus after he did a Sunday game,

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Speaker 1: watching Monday night football. He'd heard me do hundreds of games.

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Speaker 1: So I know Fred Goodelli, our producer at that time

644
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Speaker 1: and still is. Obviously, Fred had said to both of

645
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: us when we were paired, Hey, you guys want to

646
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Speaker 1: do kind of a rehearsal game. We'll sit in the

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Speaker 1: studio and we'll play at tape. And I was the

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Speaker 1: senior partner at that point of his John was coming

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Speaker 1: to us and I looked at John and I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we need to do this. And then

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Speaker 1: John told me on the way out of the room

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm glad you said that. That would have

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Speaker 1: been artificial. I think John and I when we got together,

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00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: understood each other's rhythm, and there was not the remotest

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Speaker 1: concern on my part. It wouldn't fold in setting up

656
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: the analyst is not necessarily asking you a question, It's

657
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: you got to know where the other guy's brain is.

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00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: And we both had that rhythm. And the great thing

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Speaker 1: about John is he was so well versed, not only

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Speaker 1: in football but everything. There wasn't one time I could

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Speaker 1: say something that we hadn't talked about beforehand and know

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Speaker 1: that John wouldn't be ready for it. He was that good.

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Speaker 1: So when you're working with somebody like that, you have

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Speaker 1: all the confidence in the world. You could go anywhere

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00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: and he's right with it. I'm talking to Al Michael's

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00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: NBC Sports of course, and the winning you're in the

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00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: Chargers and the Raiders. Is there part of you rooting

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00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: for an LA based team to play in the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily because yeah, I know I live here and

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Speaker 1: whatever's going to happen on February thirteenth, I'm I'm good

671
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Speaker 1: with that. I mean, we've got some great perspective matchups.

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Speaker 1: You know what I would really like to see Sunday.

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00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: You know what I root for in every game overtime

674
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: because overtime means is drama. All announcers. You know, people say, oh,

675
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: you're rooting for this team and that team, and that's garbage.

676
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: Well you're rooting for is drama. What you're not rooting

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00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: for is established leading Washington forty two to seven a half,

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Speaker 1: which we had, you know, two weeks ago. That's not

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00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: what you want. It's not that you're not rooting for

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00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: one team or the other. It's I love when it

681
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: get start at the end and you've got great strategy

682
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: and I mean the end of that. Like the Cincinnati

683
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Kansas City game was crazy the other day and Jimmy Tony,

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: I thought that a great job with that. Let me

685
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: have all these plays, you know, when do you take

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00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: the time out? What do you do here? You got

687
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: the penalties all over the place. That's you root for,

688
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: you root for. Look, I always wanted to do the

689
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: first overtime Super Bowl, and Joe and Troy got it,

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00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: of course, twenty eight to three. I couldn't believe it,

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00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eight three and that that's the game

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00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: that goes to overtime. But what I really like to

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Speaker 1: see happen February thirteenth is like quadruple overtime, the greatest

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl of all time. How's your golf game? By

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00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: the way, thanks for asking, would you give me a

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: swing thought? This is so you know I have on

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00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: my phone here I know if you well, I can't

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00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: show it to you right now. I have swing thoughts.

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00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: I have six twenty three. The problem, the problem the

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00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: brain gets to your what you know that right? Yes? So?

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00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: And then what do I do? Do I start from

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00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: the tap and go down? And then you know I

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00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of you know, a few swing thoughts

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00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: are in caps. A few swing swing thoughts have you know,

705
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: like like the words you can't use on on this show.

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: Then there are the others with like nine exclamation points.

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00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: And when Marty Fish, who's a pal belongs to you

708
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: know bell Air, Marty, you know, was winning the tournament

709
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: in Taho a couple of years ago and he's going

710
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: into the final round. But I sent him my whole list.

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00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: I said pick any five at my expense. So he wandered. Anyway,

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00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: I think you threw in the garbage. You know, it's

713
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: in your What you need in golf is a lobotomy.

714
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: That's what you need. But great athletes don't think they've

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00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: already thought before they get into that position, right, And

716
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: we always go, what were you thinking, and a lot

717
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: of athletes to go. I wasn't thinking anything. Damn when

718
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: you hit a great golf shot and it's like six

719
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: seconds later and you're thinking, well, wait a minute, what

720
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: did I do? That's why that game is unbelievably fascinating.

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00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: And but right now I'm kind of like I'm in

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Speaker 1: as Jerry Jones said about Dak Prescott a few weeks,

723
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm in a slump. But I hope like Dak to

724
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: come out of that slump and have the kind of

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00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: game that Dak had against Washington. Is that your office

726
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: at your house? It's a yeah, it's upstairs, and I

727
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: have behind me, well Ebbittsfield, because I grew up in

728
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and I love New York, and the Empire State

729
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: Building is there, and the Bay Bridge we as we

730
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: lived in the Bay Area, So I moved all over

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Speaker 1: the house, sometimes with the kitchen table, sometimes with the

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Speaker 1: dining room table. Sometimes I'm up here. What's the best

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Speaker 1: piece of sports memorabilia you have? What's the best piece?

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Speaker 1: I have a laminated ticket to the US Soviet hockey

735
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: game somewhere downstairs. Yeah, and I don't. I don't collect

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00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, and my wife actually gave me

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Speaker 1: a montage on the twenty fifth anniversary of a lot

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00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: of great stuff that had happened up until that point.

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Speaker 1: And that's about it, you know. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I think I have a ton of sports illustrators which

741
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: my wife has finally taken out of the house. She

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00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: did about four years ago and put them in public storage,

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00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: so because I mean they were just taken up too

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00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: much room. So if you come out here the next time,

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00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: we'll go to public storage and I'll take you all

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Speaker 1: the way back to like the nineties six you would

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00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: go with the sports illustrating. Yeah, of course, that's fun.

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Speaker 1: I would go with you, all right, you know, with

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Speaker 1: the the advent of now everybody's gambling and you can

750
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: talk about it openly, it kind of hurts that little

751
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: subtle over under. I mean it does. Yeah, yeah, I

752
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: can see it, right, I know your heart believes. Um,

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00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, I can still jam it in there a

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00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: little bit, but right, I mean there are people who

755
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: still get a kick out of it. But these days, um,

756
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's completely different. You don't have to hide it.

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00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: I mean, the leagues are all in partnership with all

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00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: of the draft Kings and the Caesars and the rest

759
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: of the operations. But you know, I just it's I

760
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun with it, Dan, But I

761
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: just hope that people don't bet the rent money or

762
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: the mortgage money on it. Just it's the old thing about,

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00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, do it responsibly, and hopefully people will will

764
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Speaker 1: do it responsive. It's fun to do. There's no question

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00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: you're more engaged in the game. But when you get

766
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, over the chop with it, that's dangerous, you

767
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: know that. Great to talk to you, and uh, good

768
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: luck golf game, Good luck with the call. Would you

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Speaker 1: give me one? Okay? One? When you when you when

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Speaker 1: you take the swing back? Yes, go Johnny Miller. Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Miller. Roger Star, that's the good Tiger. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you need need you need you need you need to

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Speaker 1: Johnny Miller. Okay, let me write that down here, hold

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Speaker 1: on missus numbers six forty seven. Thank you, Dan, Thank you. Al.

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Speaker 1: That's the great Al Michaels Hall of Fame Broadcasters, Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night Football