Speaker 1: Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes a
Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants
Speaker 1: of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He
Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the
Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearing house of
Speaker 1: hot takes, break free for something special. The Fifth Hour
Speaker 1: with Ben Maller starts right now that it is another
Speaker 1: weekend is upon us. The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller
Speaker 1: and not not David Gascon. He's gonna miss another weekend
Speaker 1: here and we'll have Bowie in on the Saturday and
Speaker 1: Sunday podcast. We do this because four hours a night
Speaker 1: clearly not and off on the overnight show eight days
Speaker 1: a week, eight days a week. Now. We thank you
Speaker 1: for supporting the podcast, and I at least him here
Speaker 1: every weekend unless somebody dies in my family and then
Speaker 1: I can't show up. But other than that, I'm here.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I'm here, and uh, we're good to
Speaker 1: have good to have you. The download number has been great.
Speaker 1: The reviews we asked for some reviews, we got a
Speaker 1: few more of those, which is very cool, so thank
Speaker 1: you for that. But we try to have someone hang
Speaker 1: out with us, someone we like. I like talking to
Speaker 1: radio people. Uh, those are my favorite people to have
Speaker 1: on because we relate. We have a similar life radio people, uh,
Speaker 1: TV people, but we have athletes on as well. And
Speaker 1: this week is an interview podcast. Now, if you looked
Speaker 1: at what this podcast is, you already know. But our colleague,
Speaker 1: the guy that leads in to the Ben Mallor Show
Speaker 1: with with Jason Smith, Mike Harmon, Mike Harmon of of
Speaker 1: the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon Monday through Friday,
Speaker 1: and we'll get a chance to catch up to Mike.
Speaker 1: I've known Mike for many many years. Mike's been to
Speaker 1: the Mallard mansion, He's been to the we sweater parties.
Speaker 1: We've hung out, we've broken bread together. I loved the
Speaker 1: back before the pandemic when we would hang out and
Speaker 1: we'd have these brief conversations as we were ships passing
Speaker 1: in the night before before work and we were we
Speaker 1: were talking about the business and what was going on
Speaker 1: at the company or whatever. And so, uh, it's a
Speaker 1: chance to bring Mike. And we've been meaning to bring
Speaker 1: Mike Harmon in, but we have not done. That's a
Speaker 1: bad job. By us. So I thought this week would
Speaker 1: be a great opportunity to catch up with with Mike
Speaker 1: and learn a little bit more about him and and
Speaker 1: how he began. And uh. One of my problems here
Speaker 1: is that I think everyone's around my age, and I
Speaker 1: also think that everyone I've known for uh forever. You know,
Speaker 1: Mike's one of those guys who I've worked with a
Speaker 1: long time as a colleague. But I have no grasp
Speaker 1: of when this actually began. Like, I have no idea
Speaker 1: when this actually be And I know that that you
Speaker 1: know been around Mike in different time slots at Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio over the years, but I'm not sure when.
Speaker 1: So Mike, we'll bring Mike Carman in. Why don't we
Speaker 1: start with that? As I am bad with dates here
Speaker 1: and I I feel like I've been around you for
Speaker 1: a very long time. But when did you actually start
Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio the fall of two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: That's a long time. That's a very long time, long time. Yes, Now,
Speaker 1: when I when I first met you, you you were you
Speaker 1: were like the fantasy guy. I remember you came on
Speaker 1: and you did a lot of the fantasy stuff back
Speaker 1: and you were you were at Yahoo, right, didn't you
Speaker 1: do a bunch of stuff with Yahoo, and that was
Speaker 1: where you were at the time you got it. Yeahoo
Speaker 1: Sports helped to build that beast. Unfortunately no stock option
Speaker 1: lottery for this guy, but a lot of learning and
Speaker 1: some work with the engineers and producers and eventually UH
Speaker 1: worked my way to where they handed me some copy
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to pay anybody to do a
Speaker 1: press tour. Uh. And a bunch of radio folks liked
Speaker 1: what I did, so I started doing regular hits that
Speaker 1: became part of my job on Friday. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: started doing a mail bag column that did very well.
Speaker 1: And before you do it, we had a TV showed
Speaker 1: on the Ill Faded the Football Network, which ran all
Speaker 1: about fourteen weeks. They ran out of money because they
Speaker 1: started bidding against you know, that NFL network thing that
Speaker 1: came out. Uh. And then UH, the guys I worked
Speaker 1: with at Yeah who said, hey, how about we try
Speaker 1: to do it at Fox and build the Beast again
Speaker 1: with TV and radio implemented, and well, radio decided they
Speaker 1: liked me. And maybe that's where I my face belongs
Speaker 1: because UH still still going as you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I give you all the credit because you you were
Speaker 1: typecasts as the fantasy guy, which is not a bad
Speaker 1: place to be in being the fantasy guy, because that's
Speaker 1: a huge, burgeoning business even you know, big today and
Speaker 1: big then and the whole thing. But you've had a
Speaker 1: metamorphosis now you might have become recent years here general
Speaker 1: talk show host. Man. You're you're no longer in a box.
Speaker 1: You have a broad range to attack everyone in sports
Speaker 1: and not just the fantasy world. And how did that happen?
Speaker 1: Because usually my experience, and we've all seen this, when
Speaker 1: you get type cast, you know, I was the weekend
Speaker 1: overnight guy for a long time. I couldn't get out
Speaker 1: of that. You get in these little boxes, it's hard
Speaker 1: to get out of it. But you you were able
Speaker 1: to do it. So what's the secret? The secret was
Speaker 1: literally work basically for free a lot for many many
Speaker 1: years while being typecast, like because I wasn't even allowed
Speaker 1: to do you know, sub work right, not enough for you,
Speaker 1: not for any other weekend at the time, not like
Speaker 1: I was on Sunday mornings. But everybody would ask me
Speaker 1: on for what seemingly became our long segments. Hey can
Speaker 1: you stick around for another one? Like your feet are
Speaker 1: literally up on the desk that got not you're absolutely
Speaker 1: I remember being in uh studio preparing for shows and
Speaker 1: you would be on and the phones would light up
Speaker 1: and it was like the whoever the talk show host
Speaker 1: at the time was, the eyeballs would light up. They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I could just I gotta have Harmon here, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry. I just you know, as
Speaker 1: you said, put your feet off and just have Harmon
Speaker 1: do all the work. And you weren't even getting paid
Speaker 1: for that. My god, it was. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of hours, a lot of hours. So I keep trying
Speaker 1: to remind folks, Uh, it doesn't want it don't come easy,
Speaker 1: like Raino Star saying all those years ago, but but
Speaker 1: a lot of extra hours. And look, you learned to
Speaker 1: work with a lot of different people, you know. I
Speaker 1: was doing segments on a lot of the affiliates as well.
Speaker 1: I had a dance card up in the home way
Speaker 1: at the home of all right, here's all the spots
Speaker 1: Dad has to do each week, and during football season,
Speaker 1: I was doing up to forty hits and stations all
Speaker 1: over the place. It was all our of the day,
Speaker 1: all hours of the night. I mean, it was pretty crazy. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then eventually right at the time you were moving
Speaker 1: to the weeknight overnight. Uh, you know a little Bertie
Speaker 1: told me, oh, it might have been you, but our
Speaker 1: our boss at the time, Bruce Gilbert. I just was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was going on because I
Speaker 1: was still working over at Fox Sports dot Com and
Speaker 1: as the writer. As they were getting ready to pivot
Speaker 1: to all video and I'll let that just pause for
Speaker 1: a second, because you know how that worked out. But
Speaker 1: they they let a lot of us go or or
Speaker 1: we're going to I was assuming my contract was not
Speaker 1: going to be extended, nor did I necessarily want to
Speaker 1: extend it at that point. So I got an opportunity
Speaker 1: to sit with Bruce Gilbert. We just talk radio business
Speaker 1: for probably almost two hours, just philosophy and you know,
Speaker 1: me being the numbers, and um just I love the
Speaker 1: business of it all right. One of the things, I'm
Speaker 1: the rare guy to have spent a lot of money
Speaker 1: to go get an MBA that just kind of sits
Speaker 1: and collects dust uh in sports talk radio. But every
Speaker 1: now and again he gets to talk wisely on those things.
Speaker 1: And with Bruce, I did and convinced him that maybe
Speaker 1: I was worth taking a look as you transition to
Speaker 1: the weekday overnights. And I was on vacation down in
Speaker 1: Florida with my with my family, and I got a
Speaker 1: call saying, Hey, how about we think about that? How
Speaker 1: about we do that? And then it took all of
Speaker 1: about forty eight hours. He calls me back and says, hey,
Speaker 1: I've got an idea. You know Jason Smith. I yeah,
Speaker 1: We've We've done one on air segment together, and I
Speaker 1: don't think what would you think about working with him?
Speaker 1: And just like that, it went from Sunday Mornings, which
Speaker 1: I still do for the network all these years later,
Speaker 1: to that just one conversation of trying to sell what
Speaker 1: I thought I knew about radio. That says, so you
Speaker 1: just got to get in with the right person. And
Speaker 1: Bruce Gilbert and I've been with Fox for for the
Speaker 1: most part since it began, except for six months and
Speaker 1: twenty six days and when they got rid of me.
Speaker 1: But but I I love Bruce. Bruce ran ESPN radio
Speaker 1: for a long time and he's like a radio life
Speaker 1: or his family is. His brother ran a big station
Speaker 1: in Boston's now in Chicago, and Bruce was only at
Speaker 1: Fox Sports radio for like a year or two. He
Speaker 1: wasn't there very long, but I had great conversations. I'm
Speaker 1: the same way or I love talking shop. I love
Speaker 1: talking about the business and uh and you know, getting
Speaker 1: inside the weeds if you will, on on the radio
Speaker 1: business and Bruce, you know, he knew everybody and and
Speaker 1: he was he was a talker too, which is and
Speaker 1: still is Uh still is a talker. So it made
Speaker 1: a lot easier. So you start with Jason and you're
Speaker 1: you're doing the show with Jason, and how how did
Speaker 1: that go? Was it smooth at the beginning or where
Speaker 1: you're like, whether it was there a little rocky road
Speaker 1: there when you guys got together. Well, you know, as
Speaker 1: we first began, and obviously it's evolved, and they would
Speaker 1: now this we're into year eight. At the beginning, as
Speaker 1: it was pitched, was all right, you're gonna be on
Speaker 1: the show. I don't know how much you're gonna talk
Speaker 1: each show? I was like, okay, but five nights a
Speaker 1: week going from you know, just the two hours I
Speaker 1: had on the weekend to an operated on the one
Speaker 1: weekend overnight. I did one weekend. Then um, you last
Speaker 1: you lasted, you lasted one weekend on the weekend, the
Speaker 1: COVID Weekend overnight shift, the shift that I did for
Speaker 1: like ten years at the beginning of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1: My god, it was. But it was insane because because
Speaker 1: Justin Cooper, you're current executive producer, and Bobo the legend
Speaker 1: they were they were gonna be my my team, and
Speaker 1: they came in with all sorts of ideas and all
Speaker 1: excited because hey, one of our own, right that was
Speaker 1: the attitude. One of our own got a shot. And
Speaker 1: I was like I had to tell them, like, guys,
Speaker 1: we got one weekend. So we did the Friday show,
Speaker 1: and everybody hated me because I wasn't you as you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, that is the greatest one of flattery for you.
Speaker 1: I think that you have to appreciate that. Every time
Speaker 1: you take a day off or or or miss you know,
Speaker 1: take a week you know, on vacation or whatever, the
Speaker 1: amount of hatred speued because you're not there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you always have that in the back pocket.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it amounts for much cash wise,
Speaker 1: but it's still kind of cool for the ego. But
Speaker 1: on that Saturday, we had one of those crazy NFL
Speaker 1: comeback games, so I just let people call and tell
Speaker 1: me their their sobs stories. And literally by the end
Speaker 1: some of the guys started crying. I'm like, how drunk
Speaker 1: are you? But it was a fun weekend. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then working with Jason, you know, the way it was
Speaker 1: pitched was, you know, there might be segments you don't
Speaker 1: talk at all from my benefits five nights a week,
Speaker 1: you get to promote it's good expand need a new
Speaker 1: guy and and and someone to riff with. And pretty
Speaker 1: soon into the show he would do a quick little
Speaker 1: monologue and then lay out being like, all right, what
Speaker 1: do you think? And now I just yell over him
Speaker 1: and yell at him. So you know, it wolves pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: But early on, yeah, a little bit of you know,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what your role is, how much
Speaker 1: do you disagree? And because I'm not one for the
Speaker 1: year an idiot radio, because we certainly have some of
Speaker 1: those on the network and in the industry in general.
Speaker 1: You know, two man shows of just rating the other
Speaker 1: guy really doesn't get you anywhere because everybody's resentful by
Speaker 1: you know, second three. But it's it's evolved and it's
Speaker 1: been a good run. We've had the same team primarily
Speaker 1: in place during the period, and a lot of ups
Speaker 1: and downs and as you know, some crazy turns that
Speaker 1: well that aren't necessarily in the sports world. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: exactly pretty much. The last couple of a year and
Speaker 1: a half has not been as much about sports. But
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Mallard militia, and they I have this relation.
Speaker 1: I love the people that are big fans of mine,
Speaker 1: but they every time I to take a show off
Speaker 1: or I something happens that I have to miss some time,
Speaker 1: I end up upsetting people who get very frustrated. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, Brian no fills in a lot now and
Speaker 1: uh you know's there's a couple of plank that usually
Speaker 1: fill in for me on the overnight. And I love
Speaker 1: that these people are so upset down there, but that
Speaker 1: the the attack dog mentality here that uh you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do? And people think I'm
Speaker 1: like behind, I had nothing to do with that harmon
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I mean these people and I
Speaker 1: love them to get very riled up, and uh, I
Speaker 1: think part of it is the neurosis of what happened
Speaker 1: back in oh nine where I was here one day
Speaker 1: and then I was gone, and so I think they're
Speaker 1: some of the people have been with me a long time,
Speaker 1: so I think there's a little bit of hysteria. Anytime
Speaker 1: I miss the show, they think I'm never coming back,
Speaker 1: which is, by the way, not necessarily wrong in the
Speaker 1: radio business because that, you know, that does happen quite
Speaker 1: a bit, where you know, your favorite host is away
Speaker 1: for a day and never comes back, and and and
Speaker 1: never comes back. But now you're doing a two man
Speaker 1: show with Jason. Have you ever done the solo show?
Speaker 1: It's much different the the art of radio. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty much by myself at night, but I have you know,
Speaker 1: I have Eddie. I can bounce some things off of
Speaker 1: from time to time, and we try to bring the
Speaker 1: other guys in. But you know, usually it's me ranting
Speaker 1: and raving at the beginning, doing a monologue whatever, and
Speaker 1: then we take calls and kind of a cadence to it.
Speaker 1: But when you do a two man show, there's got
Speaker 1: to be a lot of the plan what's the planning, like,
Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm asking your harm and when
Speaker 1: you guys are getting ready, is it the email chain?
Speaker 1: I mean, how much how much back and forth is
Speaker 1: there about what you guys are gonna talk about, because
Speaker 1: it does change at night because there's games going on.
Speaker 1: So it's not like if you did a daytime show
Speaker 1: that usually stuff is kind of set up for you,
Speaker 1: where at night it's a lot different. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's we pride ourselves and being able
Speaker 1: to pivot quickly by the latest news that goes on
Speaker 1: and and you know, the one man show. I've been
Speaker 1: able to do some not not you know, I'd love
Speaker 1: to do more right, to refine, you know, my own
Speaker 1: ten minute monologue things, more podcasts to come. I gotta
Speaker 1: got an idea. I'm gonna run by you. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there maybe there's some some marriage to be had there. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's it's you know, I did a fantasy season,
Speaker 1: so I kind of did all right, let's grab a
Speaker 1: couple of uh, you know, the beat writers where there's
Speaker 1: injuries that we have to percolate with and whatever. So
Speaker 1: so we did some of that. But you know, oftentimes,
Speaker 1: you know, when Jason's out, I end up, I will
Speaker 1: not usually have the four hours solo. Usually there will
Speaker 1: be somebody there, uh to sit alongside me, whether it's
Speaker 1: a LaVar Arrington, Dan Buyer, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: usual cast of characters that could come to know and
Speaker 1: love across the vast Fox Sports Radio network. As you
Speaker 1: would say, but the planning a couple of texts. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jason is going to have he sends out a note
Speaker 1: early afternoon. And what's always been fun is when we've
Speaker 1: got a producer of filling in, right, our guy Justin
Speaker 1: Frostber a couple of years ago, I had some health concerns,
Speaker 1: had to step away for a while. So people were
Speaker 1: filling in and they'd be like, all right, why don't
Speaker 1: we gonna meet and Jason and I would just laugh
Speaker 1: at them and like, what do you mean, just wait
Speaker 1: this way, and like all right. So he would send
Speaker 1: out a note, say three o'clock, and you know, it
Speaker 1: varies what time, depending on what's going on with his daughter,
Speaker 1: if he's at a movie or you know, when we
Speaker 1: could go to the movies and things like that, we're
Speaker 1: taking a nap, and it would be here's the four
Speaker 1: or five biggest stories as at that moment, and as
Speaker 1: we know, it all changes on a dime, uh you
Speaker 1: in the overnights and us as we are, we've got games,
Speaker 1: we're reacting to some great postgame audio on guys sticking
Speaker 1: their feet in their mouth, arrests and craziness that happened. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it changes. But you know, we'd have these sub
Speaker 1: producers to be like, all right, so let's let's plan
Speaker 1: out these and we just look. Now, you plan out
Speaker 1: the first two segments, and then we see what happens. Right,
Speaker 1: We've got a whole slate of NBA games. If a
Speaker 1: guy gets hurt, suddenly there's something changing. Like today, you know,
Speaker 1: as you and I sit to talk on a Thursday, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know when when this is getting ready to you know,
Speaker 1: the Carson went steel through a monkey wrench and everybody's
Speaker 1: you know, morning planning, and it's exciting, but it's also Man,
Speaker 1: I planned a nine minute rant about this, that or
Speaker 1: the other that now gets thrown out the window. Well,
Speaker 1: we generally don't have that. We've got some notes and
Speaker 1: people will be like, well, how do you respond to
Speaker 1: this that he wrote? And I'd laugh, I go, well,
Speaker 1: I don't actually know what he's gonna say when he
Speaker 1: actually goes on air. This stuff has been verrinating in
Speaker 1: his head for however many hours. You want to be,
Speaker 1: you want to you don't want to be you don't
Speaker 1: want to be scripted, right, you know you want you
Speaker 1: want to go back and yeah, and my my thing
Speaker 1: people I don't know on their shows, and this is,
Speaker 1: you know, how everybody gets in the method behind their madness,
Speaker 1: whether they do bullet points, whether they do right out
Speaker 1: whatever I mean, I I it's to each their own.
Speaker 1: But for me, all I can do is have an
Speaker 1: array of things and wait and take notes as he
Speaker 1: speaks for when it's been my time to either expand
Speaker 1: on his point or refute him, uh with vociprously. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a big bullet point guy. My. You know, people
Speaker 1: sometimes ask you, like the method to the madness, how
Speaker 1: we make the hot dogs? For me, the most stressful
Speaker 1: part of my day is trying to find stuff that's
Speaker 1: actually I find interesting that I want to rant about
Speaker 1: and rift about in a model. I mean, like doing
Speaker 1: the show. I love doing the show, But it's the
Speaker 1: annoying part and often the frustrating part, depending on what
Speaker 1: time of the year, is if I if I don't
Speaker 1: see any meat on the bone, you know, and I
Speaker 1: I want a big, juicy piece of meat to bite into.
Speaker 1: And you know I always have, you know, said this
Speaker 1: for for years that we get paid. Actually, uh, when
Speaker 1: there is nothing going on. Anybody can do talk radio
Speaker 1: when there's a lot of a lot of news and
Speaker 1: there's big, big stories. But it's when there's nothing and
Speaker 1: you've got to compose and put a show together. And
Speaker 1: I'm a big bullet point guy and all that, but that,
Speaker 1: to me, that's the thing. And I also have this
Speaker 1: this case where I I don't like to do the
Speaker 1: same I know, you're in good radio. You're supposed to
Speaker 1: do the same thing over and over again, you know,
Speaker 1: and program directors will tell you that. But I only
Speaker 1: do that if it's like an A story, like an
Speaker 1: A plus story. I try to every hour, change, change
Speaker 1: it up, and because you know, keep it fresh. And
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people don't listen to the
Speaker 1: whole show, but some people do. And so that's also
Speaker 1: becomes a problem because you know, oftentimes they'll be two
Speaker 1: stories that really excite me, but then you know there's
Speaker 1: two other you know, I got four hours, so I
Speaker 1: gotta find a couple of other stories and all that.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are these are first world problems to have.
Speaker 1: These are these are great problems. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna have, you know, problems that irritate you in life.
Speaker 1: This is a wonderful problem to have. But it's it's
Speaker 1: just to let people in on the podcast what it's
Speaker 1: like to do to do a show. And you you,
Speaker 1: of course, you know generally, as you said, what Jason
Speaker 1: is going to talk about and what you're gonna start
Speaker 1: the show, but you don't know what he's gonna say.
Speaker 1: And then you've gotta you've got to be on your
Speaker 1: toes there to be able to react. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing is, uh, you know, we we've all been
Speaker 1: as you said, things change being on you know, nights
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm on when the West Coast games and
Speaker 1: uh late, especially the baseball games during baseball season, and
Speaker 1: you'll we we call it putting the show to bed, right,
Speaker 1: You'll have an idea, Okay, this is what we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about each hour, and then inevitably, whether it's basketball season,
Speaker 1: Lebron will come out and say something. And the other night,
Speaker 1: for example, Draymond Green, uh, he had a rant after
Speaker 1: the Warriors game about the unfairness of the NBA, you know,
Speaker 1: because they they sit players down with with Andre Drummond
Speaker 1: and so that became a story and all that. So
Speaker 1: you know, you often put the show to bed where
Speaker 1: you you have an idea, Okay, this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do, and then you can kind of watch a
Speaker 1: game or something like that, and then you end up
Speaker 1: getting kicked on the back side because you have to
Speaker 1: kind of just it's like, but again, these are first
Speaker 1: world problems and all that, but it's pretty much doing
Speaker 1: your radio show harmon. It's like it's like, uh, whack
Speaker 1: a mole. Right, things keep popping up, but you have
Speaker 1: to keep knocking them down. It's like a game of
Speaker 1: whack a mole. Yeah. I think the hardest thing in
Speaker 1: the two man is clearly we're going to be topics
Speaker 1: that he gets excited about that I really couldn't care
Speaker 1: less about. Yeah, right, and so I'll take my l's
Speaker 1: and know that he's going to have a rant. And
Speaker 1: some of the best radio is while you can clearly
Speaker 1: tell I have no desire to talk about a topic,
Speaker 1: which means I am hammering at any point, or excitement
Speaker 1: in his voice, and it's become a fun piece of
Speaker 1: theater back and forth between us, and he usually knows
Speaker 1: very quickly when he's picked one of those stories. Mets Jets,
Speaker 1: what have you. But you know we do something, you
Speaker 1: know when when we're in studio together and even now
Speaker 1: you know, as we're in our our separate homes and
Speaker 1: doing a lot the attacks is what I like to
Speaker 1: call the spider in effect. Right as we're watching games unfold,
Speaker 1: guy gets hurt, or there's the blow up in the
Speaker 1: post game, or you know, when there is a playoff
Speaker 1: series or the NFL playoffs. I agree with you, in
Speaker 1: the NFL season is paint by numbers relative to the
Speaker 1: rest of the calendar. Right, there's always NFL stories or
Speaker 1: whatever games Cursed Tom Brady, whatever your stick is. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can do it, uh and do it a lot
Speaker 1: and still get a response. Right, it's all cool. But
Speaker 1: like when we're rolling through an NBA thing, All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's how far can we take this? What angles
Speaker 1: come out of this? Right? Can we get two or
Speaker 1: three different angles on what becomes the story of the night.
Speaker 1: And that's the hope that it carries. We don't use
Speaker 1: a lot of guests. I know you you have a
Speaker 1: guy who you know occasionally, and you have your your
Speaker 1: militia and the regular callers who are you know, characters
Speaker 1: in color of the show. We need to figure out
Speaker 1: how to monitor times. Yes, I agree, well in general,
Speaker 1: any monitor anything that involves money. Uh, my years, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like Dumbo. My years are big, and I am
Speaker 1: I am open to listening and making money and all
Speaker 1: of that wonderful, you know. I you know this because
Speaker 1: we talk off you know, off professional radio whatever. But
Speaker 1: I when I started at Fox Sports Radio, I did
Speaker 1: a weekend show with Jason like he we were together
Speaker 1: at the time, and Jason had worked locally at A
Speaker 1: M eleven fifty, the station that we all worked at
Speaker 1: back in the nineties, and then uh he was doing
Speaker 1: like TV stuff at Channel seven. I remember that in
Speaker 1: l A and we worked together, and my memories, this
Speaker 1: is what I remember working with Jason. We were both
Speaker 1: you know, you know, single guys whatever doing our thing.
Speaker 1: I think he might have been engaged at the time,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't married, and we we would just go
Speaker 1: to the the gas a liquor store sometimes in the
Speaker 1: middle of the show, we during a break, we would
Speaker 1: go there and buy like candy and soda and snacks.
Speaker 1: We were very big on snacks. We were very big
Speaker 1: on snacks. And this is back out, you know, my
Speaker 1: big eating days. So we'd go in there and just
Speaker 1: load up on you know, gummy worms and gummy sharks
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And it was it was it
Speaker 1: was great. I mean, and and doing that, I mean,
Speaker 1: we were we would do that and then after the show,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we go out to eat or something
Speaker 1: like that, or we you know, I was coming home
Speaker 1: at like six in the morning after you're sitting at
Speaker 1: Denny's for two hours eating eating eggs. It was quite
Speaker 1: quite the life back then, Quite the quite the radio
Speaker 1: life back then. Harmon with he loves his pint of
Speaker 1: ice cream. That that's been the show's staple. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody so adamant about getting receipts from
Speaker 1: an help polio loco or from a liquor store. Why
Speaker 1: is that? Is that cause his tax tax reasons? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's claiming that, I think as as show food expense.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite gold in claiming that stuff myself. But
Speaker 1: we we had about two years ago there was a
Speaker 1: period of months where he refused to go to the
Speaker 1: liquor store because he got tired of asking for bags.
Speaker 1: Right by two and he's getting his ice cream and
Speaker 1: maybe you know, whatever, a candy bar or a bag
Speaker 1: of chips or something, and he always had to ask
Speaker 1: for a bag for months. Now we're going to the gas.
Speaker 1: That's great. Now, Now, Harmon, I must address this week
Speaker 1: big loss in the radio world. We both worked obviously
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, which is syndicated by the Premier Networks.
Speaker 1: I heart media, but Premiere Networks. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: the company is the giant that it is in broadcasting
Speaker 1: is because of Rush Limbaugh and they syndicate Russia Limboss show.
Speaker 1: Rush passing Away earlier this week, a titan in in
Speaker 1: radio and creator the pioneer of the political talk radio Here.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a rift on this on the Saturday podcast
Speaker 1: because I have a couple of, uh by proxy stories
Speaker 1: about Rush. Not that I ever hung out with him
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but just being at Premiere over
Speaker 1: the years. Uh any any run Ins, did you have
Speaker 1: any brushes with Rush? He would come in and actually
Speaker 1: broadcast right across the hall in the studio that he was.
Speaker 1: They they turned that into just like Russia's l a
Speaker 1: studio and no one was allowed in there other than Rush.
Speaker 1: And they had all of his his you know, gold
Speaker 1: mic and all that stuff in there just in case
Speaker 1: he popped up all of a sudden in l A.
Speaker 1: But any memories about Russia just a titan in the
Speaker 1: radio business, well, you know, politics aside, and obviously everybody
Speaker 1: gets uh gets excited if you say the word politics anymore. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Rush, I remember a couple of times. Always
Speaker 1: you'd have people kind of standing out as if guarding
Speaker 1: the area. And you know, one nod As I was
Speaker 1: standing at the coffee machine and he came through through
Speaker 1: the hallways. Obviously we've had some some real heavyweights come
Speaker 1: walking through that hallway, right, I mean between Rush and
Speaker 1: some of the other Premier network stars, right when Nicky
Speaker 1: six had his show down the hall, I think I
Speaker 1: met almost every rock star that you might want teaching
Speaker 1: guys how to use coffee machines, which are kind of weird.
Speaker 1: But it's just the reminder, like I was, I listened
Speaker 1: when I was younger and uncle that that listened really
Speaker 1: religiously in the cadence, the point by point as you say,
Speaker 1: bullet points and then expounding from there. Um, for me,
Speaker 1: it was I was incredulous at the level of hatred. Right,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna use the word hatred and describing the
Speaker 1: man at his passing and now you're being hateful in
Speaker 1: your words. Are you really helping anything? Was really where
Speaker 1: I got to and the spin watching things transpire on
Speaker 1: social media and just in news reports, looking at just
Speaker 1: different ways that his career was described. But for our business,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no bigger you know, for premier networks. Uh,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see the next few months in
Speaker 1: terms of what happens. And obviously, uh, they've had some
Speaker 1: time to think about that. But you know, for you
Speaker 1: and I, I mean growing up he was he was
Speaker 1: the biggest name, remain the biggest name. And you think
Speaker 1: about that kind of kind of mark on an industry.
Speaker 1: It's like you've got him on this side of talk,
Speaker 1: and then you've got the entertainment side with Howard Stern,
Speaker 1: and then for sports. You know, you can pick your
Speaker 1: favorite from there as your benchmarks. But how to conduct
Speaker 1: a radio show, how to build an audience, how to
Speaker 1: keep an audience, how to make people loyal? I mean,
Speaker 1: like I I'd give you every nod when I when
Speaker 1: I'm asked about guys I like to listen to. I
Speaker 1: like the way you command your four hours and that
Speaker 1: you have a group like the your militia. It's very
Speaker 1: very much in the vein of of what Rush Limbaugh
Speaker 1: created for all those years. So you've got people that
Speaker 1: are hanging on, Okay, what's been gonna say on this topic?
Speaker 1: And that's was Rush every day. Every day people would
Speaker 1: tune in our one what's that a block? Which part
Speaker 1: of this? I mean think about, you know, just the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks what he would have been saying
Speaker 1: on air about some of this. And then certainly, uh,
Speaker 1: what's going on with whether in Texas or reopening of
Speaker 1: schools and ever whatever. I mean, there's there's just that
Speaker 1: void and now I will not be filled. But in
Speaker 1: our industry, uh, there's none none bigger. And you know
Speaker 1: for me growing up outside of sports, you want to
Speaker 1: talk about constructing a radio show and learning how to
Speaker 1: captivate an audience. I think he wrote the book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there was talk radio before Rush, but political
Speaker 1: talk radio and the format and and everyone copies something
Speaker 1: that Rush did, even the you know, liberals doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be conservative. It's and that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you and and we and we
Speaker 1: had known for some time that that Russ Rush was
Speaker 1: was gonna pass. I had found out about a week
Speaker 1: before he passed that a friend of mine called me
Speaker 1: up and said that he was It was probably the
Speaker 1: end for Rush, and so you knew what was coming.
Speaker 1: I remember talking to a friends, but this is gonna
Speaker 1: be horrific because of you know, social media and the
Speaker 1: way people react when they think no one. It's weird
Speaker 1: because you have an avatar usually with your photo on
Speaker 1: on social media, but for some reason, you you still
Speaker 1: think you have uh, you know, privacy or something. You
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want and there's no repercussions and
Speaker 1: all that. I guess maybe there is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a different world. But Rush, I remember
Speaker 1: I was a kid and I wanted to get into
Speaker 1: ray Deo. I tried to learn as much as I
Speaker 1: could about the business. And I remember reading a book
Speaker 1: about Rush Limbaugh which really impacted me and rushed his life,
Speaker 1: and that he dropped out of college. He was a DJ.
Speaker 1: You know in the days of radio, where you bounced
Speaker 1: from market to market doesn't happen quite as much these days,
Speaker 1: as not even were close to what it was like
Speaker 1: back in in Russia's days in the seventies and the eighties,
Speaker 1: and so he would bounce around and he was a
Speaker 1: failed radio guy and not a failed radio guy, but
Speaker 1: he was just a normal jock that would bounce from
Speaker 1: from top. He was a top forty DJ. His name,
Speaker 1: I think was Jeff Christie or something like that. He
Speaker 1: he had a he had a couple of fake names
Speaker 1: that he used stage names in radio. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I had the fact he worked for the Royals. He
Speaker 1: became very good friends with George Brett, the Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer from the Royals, and and he didn't really become
Speaker 1: the megastar until he was about forty. He was but
Speaker 1: I think he was thirty thirty seven when his show
Speaker 1: started being syndicated UM nationally and eight. But then it
Speaker 1: took a couple of years to really kick in. And
Speaker 1: then once it kicked in, he was about forty and
Speaker 1: then for the rest of his life he became this
Speaker 1: like mega a hero in in radio. UM. So it's
Speaker 1: a it's an interesting life when you learn about how
Speaker 1: people get to certain points and rush you know who
Speaker 1: you know, say overnight sensation or whatever. But he took
Speaker 1: him twenty years of being a DJ and not having
Speaker 1: much success before finally he found his goalielock zone. And
Speaker 1: you're right, you talk we always talk about in sports
Speaker 1: radio harm and replacing legends, right, you don't want to
Speaker 1: be the guy that replaces Bill Belichick someday with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: You want to you want to be the guy who
Speaker 1: replaces the guy that replaces Bill Belichick, just like you
Speaker 1: don't want to be Cam Newton who replaced Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: You want to be the person that comes in after
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. Well, yeah, someone's gonna be given the you know, aversion.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the same because I'm sure some
Speaker 1: affiliates will drop the show and they'll be different. But
Speaker 1: it's like when when Stern, Remember when Stern left terrestrial
Speaker 1: radio to go to sad of Like CBS had a
Speaker 1: West coast, they had a Midwest, and they had an
Speaker 1: East coast. Joe right that it didn't it didn't really
Speaker 1: work so well. It was it was a hot mess.
Speaker 1: Who was the music? Remember they had a musician that's
Speaker 1: I forget the guy's name, but he he was like
Speaker 1: the East coast guy. And uh yeah, now I'm remembering
Speaker 1: the experiment. But you know, as with all of this,
Speaker 1: whenever there's a void, there's the the dangerous attempt to
Speaker 1: fill it. So that my fear is that you you
Speaker 1: do have that in fighting uh and maybe people going
Speaker 1: to uh, well, I don't know. It's like we do
Speaker 1: in sports rights. I call it hot take nonsense to
Speaker 1: where you get to a point where it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: you don't even believe what you're saying here. So you
Speaker 1: know that that's always the fear in these kind of
Speaker 1: situations that maybe to try to grab an audience, uh
Speaker 1: and maybe convince a boss that you were the guy.
Speaker 1: But you know that's above my pay grade and in
Speaker 1: terms of making those decisions. But you know, it's a
Speaker 1: project that I've been working. I was actually sitting down.
Speaker 1: My mother shot to my kids that they don't write
Speaker 1: her enough handwritten notes, and so I sat down with
Speaker 1: with I mean, she's not little anymore, she's twelve, but
Speaker 1: we're talking. All right, on Sunday, we're going to do this.
Speaker 1: And I've got a project that I've been trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, motivate myself to do it. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'll buy some stationary and we'll
Speaker 1: work to it. It's it's one of my regrets right
Speaker 1: between Rush and whether I agreed or not on you know,
Speaker 1: any and all the topics is not the point, but
Speaker 1: still just the inspirations, right, because we've had a lot
Speaker 1: of losses in our business ban this last year. Right
Speaker 1: and and obviously no no different than any other sector
Speaker 1: of life. But because there are public personalities, you know,
Speaker 1: you have the tributes, whether it be players, managers, talk
Speaker 1: show people. We've had a number of reporters this last
Speaker 1: two three months and tried to be better about writing
Speaker 1: folks to say thanks for whatever part they played either
Speaker 1: on our shows or as inspiration. And this is one
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't get around to before his passing
Speaker 1: of just kind of what he meant to what our
Speaker 1: business is. Uh So I'm gonna be better about that.
Speaker 1: And so I'll have to send one in the mail
Speaker 1: with some beef jerky or something to you. Ah, there
Speaker 1: you go, all good and well, at some point we'll
Speaker 1: actually be able to have the Ugly Sweater party again,
Speaker 1: so I look forward to it. Yes, yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: have one. We missed it this year. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the backyard big enough that maybe there's been some
Speaker 1: but like man you just can't trust Gascony be trying
Speaker 1: to tackle people and it would just get out of control.
Speaker 1: I can't even trust him to be here most weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, my my goodness, Uh yes, yeah. Now before
Speaker 1: we get out of here, Harmon and I, because of
Speaker 1: my situation my family, I have repossessed my sports memorabilia
Speaker 1: collection and this is an area that I am going
Speaker 1: to use your counsel here the mind of my Carmen,
Speaker 1: because it is insane right now. We see these stories.
Speaker 1: Usually somebody like Darren Ravel will tweet out a story
Speaker 1: about some sports card that sold at auction for a
Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of money. But you're in that world, right
Speaker 1: You're you're you're dabbling in addition to the radio, you're
Speaker 1: dabbling in sports memorabilia. So how insane is this? I mean,
Speaker 1: we hear about the Jordan's cards and some other things
Speaker 1: that sell for verdunculous amount of money. But is this
Speaker 1: the gold rush? It appears to be right now for
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. It appears it is because
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of players and celebrities and I
Speaker 1: hate the word, but influencers are coming into that was
Speaker 1: my best whatever, deep boys, guy impression. But you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of people with money that had idle money
Speaker 1: and are either trying to pick up pieces of their
Speaker 1: childhood doing a little bit of day trading. I'm currently
Speaker 1: monitoring a few auctions so I don't get sniped. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to talk about them, but adding things. So
Speaker 1: I've been doing cards and memorabilia events since i was
Speaker 1: about twelve years old. So we had some some choice
Speaker 1: stuff in the Chicago neighborhood. Uh we're at the end
Speaker 1: of a rail line, so mom would get household goods
Speaker 1: and every time once in a while they'd have some cards,
Speaker 1: and we piled up some good stuff and eventually went
Speaker 1: to a show, sold a bunch and looked at each
Speaker 1: other's going, now, this is easy, let's do this. So
Speaker 1: my brothers and I would do this, and you know,
Speaker 1: being good at math helped back in the day when
Speaker 1: there wasn't an instant marketplace. But right now there's so
Speaker 1: much money being infused. I mean, people haven't been able
Speaker 1: to travel. Maybe they're not spending in other spots, you know,
Speaker 1: wasting money at the bar because they can't go to
Speaker 1: the bar, et cetera. So money found its way back
Speaker 1: in here and it's become It's always been a stock market,
Speaker 1: but right now it's even bigger. Grading of cards and
Speaker 1: ticket sales and all of these things commemorating big events
Speaker 1: have really gone off off to a whole other world.
Speaker 1: And then we're talking about cards selling regularly in the
Speaker 1: six figures and the way they do things now, some
Speaker 1: of the stuff is so limited out of the jump.
Speaker 1: There's a whole market of haad buy into a break.
Speaker 1: So there's a box of cards that comes out, you
Speaker 1: know with this year's rookies, say LaMelo Ball and these guys,
Speaker 1: and you pay a premium to try to have that
Speaker 1: team or to get by player whatever, and then you
Speaker 1: just literally watch someone else open the boxes of cards
Speaker 1: and then they send you what your part is Like.
Speaker 1: It's really just mutated into this whole new world, and
Speaker 1: I'm happy to try to cash in on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, I I was looking at my collection
Speaker 1: and it is vast. But I am of the age
Speaker 1: where there's this cut off point. I feel like, because
Speaker 1: you know, some of the cards I think are worth
Speaker 1: a decent amount, but then they I'm of the age
Speaker 1: where when I was a certain point, it was just
Speaker 1: mass production so then that becomes that becomes a nightmare situation.
Speaker 1: And then the you mentioned the grading thing, All right,
Speaker 1: my god, this place, I believe it's in Orange County,
Speaker 1: the main hub of grading trading cards. It is. It
Speaker 1: is insane. Like if you you take a card you
Speaker 1: think it is worth I don't know, five hundred or
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, how much does it cost? Just for
Speaker 1: the layman who doesn't understand this world, harmon, explain how
Speaker 1: much it costs. You have a say it's worth fifty,
Speaker 1: you think it's worth ten, fifteen dollars. How much does
Speaker 1: it cost to get that card graded? And what's the
Speaker 1: process like to get that done? Well, right now, there
Speaker 1: have been inundated, So you've got several p s A.
Speaker 1: Is the one in Orange County you're speaking of, and
Speaker 1: then there's that right there grading always the price guides,
Speaker 1: but they have their grading arm and there's a couple
Speaker 1: of other companies that have come online because the demand
Speaker 1: is so strong. So people that have left P. S
Speaker 1: A or Packet or one of the companies that have
Speaker 1: teamed up when with big money men uh to try
Speaker 1: to go through. So the backlog isn't meant so what
Speaker 1: can you do when demand exceeds your supply I your
Speaker 1: quick ability to turn around? What do you do? You
Speaker 1: raise your prices? So right now, to get a card
Speaker 1: graded between two hundred and a thousand dollars, it's gonna
Speaker 1: cost you fifty bucks plus insurance and shipping. Wow, and yeah,
Speaker 1: so you have to Now that's per per card. But
Speaker 1: what do you send? So you send that, you send
Speaker 1: the cards in. But what if you don't know? How?
Speaker 1: They can just pick whatever they want the value is
Speaker 1: like if you if I send cards and think, well
Speaker 1: it might be worth you know, two hundred or maybe
Speaker 1: it's worth a thousand, You don't really know. Then it's
Speaker 1: up to them to decide what it's worth it. They
Speaker 1: can charge you whatever they want. Is that how that works? Well?
Speaker 1: And that's just it. But but the good side of that, though,
Speaker 1: Ben is say you you know, to to play their
Speaker 1: their corporate side is if you put in a card
Speaker 1: and the market's going crazy now, right, So if I
Speaker 1: send it in now, by time it gets great and
Speaker 1: it might be two to three months from now, right,
Speaker 1: that's how big the backlog is. So there's a possibility
Speaker 1: that that card is either dropped precipitously, or it's multiplied
Speaker 1: by ten, as we've seen in some of the markets,
Speaker 1: you know, because everybody's going back and finding their Shaquille
Speaker 1: O'Neal rookies, those what word quote junk wax as you were,
Speaker 1: you know, you were referring to. There's cards like what
Speaker 1: used to be a two dollar Shawn Temp card, it's
Speaker 1: a tenants suddenly a five card. That's how much money
Speaker 1: has found its way into and some other stuff is
Speaker 1: insane and I don't know that it's sustainable, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy the roller coaster. But so what what can
Speaker 1: happen is say you you think it's two hundred, because
Speaker 1: maybe it's on a grading scale of one to ten
Speaker 1: end for those unawares um p s A only deals
Speaker 1: in whole numbers, so you're graded one through ten on
Speaker 1: the integer Beckett grades. On the subgrades. It gets complicated, right.
Speaker 1: You might think it's only going to be a nine,
Speaker 1: so you say, all right, it's worth two d bucks
Speaker 1: and then they look at it and they graded at ten. Well,
Speaker 1: suddenly it might be worth two thousand. So yes, it
Speaker 1: takes you from the fifty level to the seventy five.
Speaker 1: But in theory, you've just now made ten times what
Speaker 1: you thought that card was worth. Now, and when a
Speaker 1: card is graded, that's the price, right, I mean, does
Speaker 1: it once it's graded, does it self for less? Are
Speaker 1: you guaranteed to at least get what they say it's worth.
Speaker 1: How does that work? Well, they don't put a great,
Speaker 1: great a price on it that it's now marketplace, right,
Speaker 1: So they're looking at it based on what the market
Speaker 1: is as they grade, and they've got researchers on tap,
Speaker 1: and obviously they they're aware, I mean they're they're keenly
Speaker 1: aware of how crazy the market is right now. The
Speaker 1: big thing is, you know, if you're sending in under
Speaker 1: the guys of hey, this is a card from two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, and I'm going to put a ten dollar
Speaker 1: value on it, but we know it's a six card,
Speaker 1: like like Zion Williams and some of our Jama Rant
Speaker 1: or some of these you know rookies from last year,
Speaker 1: like out of the pack. The stuff's three four bucks raw, right,
Speaker 1: which means ungraded. So if you're a value of a
Speaker 1: hundred bucks one, you're lying, uh, And then they're gonna
Speaker 1: appropriately right to make sure you're in the right, uh
Speaker 1: sweet spot, and some of the services you know coming
Speaker 1: on and come online and go offline based on demand.
Speaker 1: But um, in the end it goes back into your
Speaker 1: in your hands. And the thing for me, when I
Speaker 1: used to do shows what I always thought these were
Speaker 1: valuable and at the time I thought it was prohibitively
Speaker 1: expensive when I was hustling as a kid. But wish
Speaker 1: I'd just done it because you don't don't have to
Speaker 1: haggle with people. Then right, if it's great at than
Speaker 1: nine by P. S A or Becket or whoever it's
Speaker 1: at nine. You may not like the grade, you may
Speaker 1: disagree with it. You can re submit if you want
Speaker 1: to go through that. But if someone trying to buy
Speaker 1: it from you, they can't say I don't know, this
Speaker 1: corner is not great or this isn't sharp enough. You're
Speaker 1: just like, shut up. It says a nine, yea. So
Speaker 1: you're buying it as a nine, and and that that
Speaker 1: has value in and of itself. If you're trying to
Speaker 1: divest one or thousands of cards, right to not have
Speaker 1: to bother with it. Yeah, absolutely all right, harmon, listen,
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. We'll have you on again. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Godspeed well, including that. I appreciate it. You know, I've
Speaker 1: always been a fan, and you're you're you're a worker,
Speaker 1: and I I appreciate the rolling up to sleeves and
Speaker 1: doing hard work, so I appreciate it. I appreciate you too.
Speaker 1: You're a good, good fellow radio broadcaster, and I love
Speaker 1: when you you hang out. We get to hang out
Speaker 1: off the air, which hasn't happened a long time, but
Speaker 1: but I'll live a long and prosper Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. But hey, they're opening the canes. Find me.
Speaker 1: You can come visit that one. I'm there Katie at
Speaker 1: Combo done. Let's get it.