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Speaker 1: I've known Mike for many many years. Mike's been to

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Speaker 1: what have you. But you know we do something, you

429
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: know when when we're in studio together and even now

430
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, as we're in our our separate homes and

431
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: doing a lot the attacks is what I like to

432
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: call the spider in effect. Right as we're watching games unfold,

433
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: guy gets hurt, or there's the blow up in the

434
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: post game, or you know, when there is a playoff

435
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: series or the NFL playoffs. I agree with you, in

436
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: the NFL season is paint by numbers relative to the

437
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: rest of the calendar. Right, there's always NFL stories or

438
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: whatever games Cursed Tom Brady, whatever your stick is. I mean,

439
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: you can do it, uh and do it a lot

440
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: and still get a response. Right, it's all cool. But

441
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: like when we're rolling through an NBA thing, All right,

442
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: let's let's how far can we take this? What angles

443
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: come out of this? Right? Can we get two or

444
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: three different angles on what becomes the story of the night.

445
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: And that's the hope that it carries. We don't use

446
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: a lot of guests. I know you you have a

447
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: guy who you know occasionally, and you have your your

448
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: militia and the regular callers who are you know, characters

449
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: in color of the show. We need to figure out

450
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Speaker 1: how to monitor times. Yes, I agree, well in general,

451
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: any monitor anything that involves money. Uh, my years, I'm

452
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm like Dumbo. My years are big, and I am

453
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: I am open to listening and making money and all

454
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: of that wonderful, you know. I you know this because

455
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: we talk off you know, off professional radio whatever. But

456
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 1: I when I started at Fox Sports Radio, I did

457
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 1: a weekend show with Jason like he we were together

458
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: at the time, and Jason had worked locally at A

459
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Speaker 1: M eleven fifty, the station that we all worked at

460
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: back in the nineties, and then uh he was doing

461
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: like TV stuff at Channel seven. I remember that in

462
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: l A and we worked together, and my memories, this

463
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: is what I remember working with Jason. We were both

464
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know, single guys whatever doing our thing.

465
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: I think he might have been engaged at the time,

466
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: but he wasn't married, and we we would just go

467
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Speaker 1: to the the gas a liquor store sometimes in the

468
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: middle of the show, we during a break, we would

469
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Speaker 1: go there and buy like candy and soda and snacks.

470
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Speaker 1: We were very big on snacks. We were very big

471
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Speaker 1: on snacks. And this is back out, you know, my

472
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Speaker 1: big eating days. So we'd go in there and just

473
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Speaker 1: load up on you know, gummy worms and gummy sharks

474
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And it was it was it

475
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: was great. I mean, and and doing that, I mean,

476
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Speaker 1: we were we would do that and then after the show,

477
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we go out to eat or something

478
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: like that, or we you know, I was coming home

479
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: at like six in the morning after you're sitting at

480
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: Denny's for two hours eating eating eggs. It was quite

481
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: quite the life back then, Quite the quite the radio

482
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Speaker 1: life back then. Harmon with he loves his pint of

483
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: ice cream. That that's been the show's staple. Uh. And

484
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody so adamant about getting receipts from

485
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Speaker 1: an help polio loco or from a liquor store. Why

486
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Speaker 1: is that? Is that cause his tax tax reasons? Like, yeah,

487
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: he's claiming that, I think as as show food expense.

488
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm not quite gold in claiming that stuff myself. But

489
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: we we had about two years ago there was a

490
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Speaker 1: period of months where he refused to go to the

491
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Speaker 1: liquor store because he got tired of asking for bags.

492
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Speaker 1: Right by two and he's getting his ice cream and

493
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Speaker 1: maybe you know, whatever, a candy bar or a bag

494
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Speaker 1: of chips or something, and he always had to ask

495
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Speaker 1: for a bag for months. Now we're going to the gas.

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00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: That's great. Now, Now, Harmon, I must address this week

497
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: big loss in the radio world. We both worked obviously

498
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, which is syndicated by the Premier Networks.

499
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: I heart media, but Premiere Networks. One of the reasons

500
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: the company is the giant that it is in broadcasting

501
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: is because of Rush Limbaugh and they syndicate Russia Limboss show.

502
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Rush passing Away earlier this week, a titan in in

503
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: radio and creator the pioneer of the political talk radio Here.

504
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing a rift on this on the Saturday podcast

505
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: because I have a couple of, uh by proxy stories

506
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: about Rush. Not that I ever hung out with him

507
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but just being at Premiere over

508
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: the years. Uh any any run Ins, did you have

509
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: any brushes with Rush? He would come in and actually

510
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Speaker 1: broadcast right across the hall in the studio that he was.

511
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Speaker 1: They they turned that into just like Russia's l a

512
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Speaker 1: studio and no one was allowed in there other than Rush.

513
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: And they had all of his his you know, gold

514
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: mic and all that stuff in there just in case

515
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Speaker 1: he popped up all of a sudden in l A.

516
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Speaker 1: But any memories about Russia just a titan in the

517
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Speaker 1: radio business, well, you know, politics aside, and obviously everybody

518
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: gets uh gets excited if you say the word politics anymore. Uh.

519
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: You know, Rush, I remember a couple of times. Always

520
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: you'd have people kind of standing out as if guarding

521
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: the area. And you know, one nod As I was

522
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: standing at the coffee machine and he came through through

523
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: the hallways. Obviously we've had some some real heavyweights come

524
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: walking through that hallway, right, I mean between Rush and

525
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: some of the other Premier network stars, right when Nicky

526
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: six had his show down the hall, I think I

527
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: met almost every rock star that you might want teaching

528
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: guys how to use coffee machines, which are kind of weird.

529
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Speaker 1: But it's just the reminder, like I was, I listened

530
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Speaker 1: when I was younger and uncle that that listened really

531
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Speaker 1: religiously in the cadence, the point by point as you say,

532
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: bullet points and then expounding from there. Um, for me,

533
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: it was I was incredulous at the level of hatred. Right,

534
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna use the word hatred and describing the

535
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: man at his passing and now you're being hateful in

536
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: your words. Are you really helping anything? Was really where

537
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: I got to and the spin watching things transpire on

538
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: social media and just in news reports, looking at just

539
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: different ways that his career was described. But for our business,

540
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no bigger you know, for premier networks. Uh,

541
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see the next few months in

542
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: terms of what happens. And obviously, uh, they've had some

543
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: time to think about that. But you know, for you

544
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: and I, I mean growing up he was he was

545
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: the biggest name, remain the biggest name. And you think

546
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: about that kind of kind of mark on an industry.

547
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: It's like you've got him on this side of talk,

548
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: and then you've got the entertainment side with Howard Stern,

549
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: and then for sports. You know, you can pick your

550
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: favorite from there as your benchmarks. But how to conduct

551
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: a radio show, how to build an audience, how to

552
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: keep an audience, how to make people loyal? I mean,

553
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: like I I'd give you every nod when I when

554
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm asked about guys I like to listen to. I

555
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: like the way you command your four hours and that

556
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: you have a group like the your militia. It's very

557
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: very much in the vein of of what Rush Limbaugh

558
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: created for all those years. So you've got people that

559
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: are hanging on, Okay, what's been gonna say on this topic?

560
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: And that's was Rush every day. Every day people would

561
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: tune in our one what's that a block? Which part

562
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: of this? I mean think about, you know, just the

563
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks what he would have been saying

564
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: on air about some of this. And then certainly, uh,

565
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: what's going on with whether in Texas or reopening of

566
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: schools and ever whatever. I mean, there's there's just that

567
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: void and now I will not be filled. But in

568
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: our industry, uh, there's none none bigger. And you know

569
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: for me growing up outside of sports, you want to

570
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: talk about constructing a radio show and learning how to

571
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: captivate an audience. I think he wrote the book. Yeah,

572
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean there was talk radio before Rush, but political

573
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: talk radio and the format and and everyone copies something

574
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: that Rush did, even the you know, liberals doesn't matter.

575
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: You don't have to be conservative. It's and that's the thing.

576
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: And I agree with you and and we and we

577
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Speaker 1: had known for some time that that Russ Rush was

578
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: was gonna pass. I had found out about a week

579
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Speaker 1: before he passed that a friend of mine called me

580
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: up and said that he was It was probably the

581
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: end for Rush, and so you knew what was coming.

582
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: I remember talking to a friends, but this is gonna

583
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: be horrific because of you know, social media and the

584
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: way people react when they think no one. It's weird

585
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: because you have an avatar usually with your photo on

586
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: on social media, but for some reason, you you still

587
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: think you have uh, you know, privacy or something. You

588
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want and there's no repercussions and

589
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: all that. I guess maybe there is. I don't know.

590
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: That's a that's a different world. But Rush, I remember

591
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: I was a kid and I wanted to get into

592
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: ray Deo. I tried to learn as much as I

593
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: could about the business. And I remember reading a book

594
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: about Rush Limbaugh which really impacted me and rushed his life,

595
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: and that he dropped out of college. He was a DJ.

596
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: You know in the days of radio, where you bounced

597
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: from market to market doesn't happen quite as much these days,

598
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: as not even were close to what it was like

599
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: back in in Russia's days in the seventies and the eighties,

600
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: and so he would bounce around and he was a

601
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: failed radio guy and not a failed radio guy, but

602
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: he was just a normal jock that would bounce from

603
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: from top. He was a top forty DJ. His name,

604
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: I think was Jeff Christie or something like that. He

605
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: he had a he had a couple of fake names

606
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: that he used stage names in radio. And then you know,

607
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I had the fact he worked for the Royals. He

608
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: became very good friends with George Brett, the Hall of

609
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: Famer from the Royals, and and he didn't really become

610
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: the megastar until he was about forty. He was but

611
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: I think he was thirty thirty seven when his show

612
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: started being syndicated UM nationally and eight. But then it

613
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: took a couple of years to really kick in. And

614
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: then once it kicked in, he was about forty and

615
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: then for the rest of his life he became this

616
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: like mega a hero in in radio. UM. So it's

617
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: a it's an interesting life when you learn about how

618
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: people get to certain points and rush you know who

619
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, say overnight sensation or whatever. But he took

620
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: him twenty years of being a DJ and not having

621
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: much success before finally he found his goalielock zone. And

622
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: you're right, you talk we always talk about in sports

623
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: radio harm and replacing legends, right, you don't want to

624
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: be the guy that replaces Bill Belichick someday with the Patriots.

625
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: You want to you want to be the guy who

626
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: replaces the guy that replaces Bill Belichick, just like you

627
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be Cam Newton who replaced Tom Brady.

628
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: You want to be the person that comes in after

629
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. Well, yeah, someone's gonna be given the you know, aversion.

630
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the same because I'm sure some

631
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: affiliates will drop the show and they'll be different. But

632
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: it's like when when Stern, Remember when Stern left terrestrial

633
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: radio to go to sad of Like CBS had a

634
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: West coast, they had a Midwest, and they had an

635
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: East coast. Joe right that it didn't it didn't really

636
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: work so well. It was it was a hot mess.

637
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Who was the music? Remember they had a musician that's

638
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: I forget the guy's name, but he he was like

639
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: the East coast guy. And uh yeah, now I'm remembering

640
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: the experiment. But you know, as with all of this,

641
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: whenever there's a void, there's the the dangerous attempt to

642
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: fill it. So that my fear is that you you

643
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: do have that in fighting uh and maybe people going

644
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: to uh, well, I don't know. It's like we do

645
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: in sports rights. I call it hot take nonsense to

646
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: where you get to a point where it's like, all right,

647
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: you don't even believe what you're saying here. So you

648
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: know that that's always the fear in these kind of

649
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: situations that maybe to try to grab an audience, uh

650
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: and maybe convince a boss that you were the guy.

651
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: But you know that's above my pay grade and in

652
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: terms of making those decisions. But you know, it's a

653
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: project that I've been working. I was actually sitting down.

654
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: My mother shot to my kids that they don't write

655
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: her enough handwritten notes, and so I sat down with

656
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: with I mean, she's not little anymore, she's twelve, but

657
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: we're talking. All right, on Sunday, we're going to do this.

658
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: And I've got a project that I've been trying to,

659
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, motivate myself to do it. I'm like, all right,

660
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'll buy some stationary and we'll

661
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: work to it. It's it's one of my regrets right

662
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: between Rush and whether I agreed or not on you know,

663
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: any and all the topics is not the point, but

664
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: still just the inspirations, right, because we've had a lot

665
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: of losses in our business ban this last year. Right

666
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: and and obviously no no different than any other sector

667
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: of life. But because there are public personalities, you know,

668
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: you have the tributes, whether it be players, managers, talk

669
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: show people. We've had a number of reporters this last

670
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: two three months and tried to be better about writing

671
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: folks to say thanks for whatever part they played either

672
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: on our shows or as inspiration. And this is one

673
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't get around to before his passing

674
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: of just kind of what he meant to what our

675
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: business is. Uh So I'm gonna be better about that.

676
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: And so I'll have to send one in the mail

677
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: with some beef jerky or something to you. Ah, there

678
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: you go, all good and well, at some point we'll

679
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: actually be able to have the Ugly Sweater party again,

680
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: so I look forward to it. Yes, yeah, we didn't

681
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: have one. We missed it this year. I mean, you know,

682
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: it's the backyard big enough that maybe there's been some

683
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: but like man you just can't trust Gascony be trying

684
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: to tackle people and it would just get out of control.

685
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: I can't even trust him to be here most weeks.

686
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, my my goodness, Uh yes, yeah. Now before

687
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: we get out of here, Harmon and I, because of

688
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: my situation my family, I have repossessed my sports memorabilia

689
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: collection and this is an area that I am going

690
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: to use your counsel here the mind of my Carmen,

691
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: because it is insane right now. We see these stories.

692
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: Usually somebody like Darren Ravel will tweet out a story

693
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: about some sports card that sold at auction for a

694
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: ridiculous amount of money. But you're in that world, right

695
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: You're you're you're dabbling in addition to the radio, you're

696
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: dabbling in sports memorabilia. So how insane is this? I mean,

697
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: we hear about the Jordan's cards and some other things

698
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: that sell for verdunculous amount of money. But is this

699
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: the gold rush? It appears to be right now for

700
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. It appears it is because

701
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of players and celebrities and I

702
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: hate the word, but influencers are coming into that was

703
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: my best whatever, deep boys, guy impression. But you've got

704
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people with money that had idle money

705
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: and are either trying to pick up pieces of their

706
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: childhood doing a little bit of day trading. I'm currently

707
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: monitoring a few auctions so I don't get sniped. I'm

708
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: not going to talk about them, but adding things. So

709
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: I've been doing cards and memorabilia events since i was

710
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: about twelve years old. So we had some some choice

711
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: stuff in the Chicago neighborhood. Uh we're at the end

712
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,959
Speaker 1: of a rail line, so mom would get household goods

713
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: and every time once in a while they'd have some cards,

714
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: and we piled up some good stuff and eventually went

715
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: to a show, sold a bunch and looked at each

716
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: other's going, now, this is easy, let's do this. So

717
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: my brothers and I would do this, and you know,

718
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: being good at math helped back in the day when

719
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: there wasn't an instant marketplace. But right now there's so

720
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: much money being infused. I mean, people haven't been able

721
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: to travel. Maybe they're not spending in other spots, you know,

722
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: wasting money at the bar because they can't go to

723
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: the bar, et cetera. So money found its way back

724
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: in here and it's become It's always been a stock market,

725
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: but right now it's even bigger. Grading of cards and

726
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: ticket sales and all of these things commemorating big events

727
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: have really gone off off to a whole other world.

728
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: And then we're talking about cards selling regularly in the

729
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: six figures and the way they do things now, some

730
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: of the stuff is so limited out of the jump.

731
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: There's a whole market of haad buy into a break.

732
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: So there's a box of cards that comes out, you

733
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: know with this year's rookies, say LaMelo Ball and these guys,

734
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: and you pay a premium to try to have that

735
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: team or to get by player whatever, and then you

736
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: just literally watch someone else open the boxes of cards

737
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: and then they send you what your part is Like.

738
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: It's really just mutated into this whole new world, and

739
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy to try to cash in on it. Yeah,

740
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I I was looking at my collection

741
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: and it is vast. But I am of the age

742
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: where there's this cut off point. I feel like, because

743
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, some of the cards I think are worth

744
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: a decent amount, but then they I'm of the age

745
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: where when I was a certain point, it was just

746
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: mass production so then that becomes that becomes a nightmare situation.

747
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: And then the you mentioned the grading thing, All right,

748
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: my god, this place, I believe it's in Orange County,

749
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: the main hub of grading trading cards. It is. It

750
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: is insane. Like if you you take a card you

751
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: think it is worth I don't know, five hundred or

752
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, how much does it cost? Just for

753
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: the layman who doesn't understand this world, harmon, explain how

754
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: much it costs. You have a say it's worth fifty,

755
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: you think it's worth ten, fifteen dollars. How much does

756
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: it cost to get that card graded? And what's the

757
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: process like to get that done? Well, right now, there

758
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: have been inundated, So you've got several p s A.

759
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: Is the one in Orange County you're speaking of, and

760
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: then there's that right there grading always the price guides,

761
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: but they have their grading arm and there's a couple

762
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: of other companies that have come online because the demand

763
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: is so strong. So people that have left P. S

764
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: A or Packet or one of the companies that have

765
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: teamed up when with big money men uh to try

766
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: to go through. So the backlog isn't meant so what

767
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: can you do when demand exceeds your supply I your

768
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: quick ability to turn around? What do you do? You

769
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: raise your prices? So right now, to get a card

770
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: graded between two hundred and a thousand dollars, it's gonna

771
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: cost you fifty bucks plus insurance and shipping. Wow, and yeah,

772
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: so you have to Now that's per per card. But

773
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: what do you send? So you send that, you send

774
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: the cards in. But what if you don't know? How?

775
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: They can just pick whatever they want the value is

776
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: like if you if I send cards and think, well

777
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: it might be worth you know, two hundred or maybe

778
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: it's worth a thousand, You don't really know. Then it's

779
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: up to them to decide what it's worth it. They

780
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: can charge you whatever they want. Is that how that works? Well?

781
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: And that's just it. But but the good side of that, though,

782
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: Ben is say you you know, to to play their

783
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: their corporate side is if you put in a card

784
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: and the market's going crazy now, right, So if I

785
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: send it in now, by time it gets great and

786
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: it might be two to three months from now, right,

787
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: that's how big the backlog is. So there's a possibility

788
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: that that card is either dropped precipitously, or it's multiplied

789
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: by ten, as we've seen in some of the markets,

790
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, because everybody's going back and finding their Shaquille

791
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: O'Neal rookies, those what word quote junk wax as you were,

792
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, you were referring to. There's cards like what

793
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: used to be a two dollar Shawn Temp card, it's

794
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: a tenants suddenly a five card. That's how much money

795
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: has found its way into and some other stuff is

796
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: insane and I don't know that it's sustainable, but I'm

797
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy the roller coaster. But so what what can

798
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: happen is say you you think it's two hundred, because

799
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: maybe it's on a grading scale of one to ten

800
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: end for those unawares um p s A only deals

801
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: in whole numbers, so you're graded one through ten on

802
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: the integer Beckett grades. On the subgrades. It gets complicated, right.

803
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: You might think it's only going to be a nine,

804
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: so you say, all right, it's worth two d bucks

805
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: and then they look at it and they graded at ten. Well,

806
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: suddenly it might be worth two thousand. So yes, it

807
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: takes you from the fifty level to the seventy five.

808
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: But in theory, you've just now made ten times what

809
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: you thought that card was worth. Now, and when a

810
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: card is graded, that's the price, right, I mean, does

811
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: it once it's graded, does it self for less? Are

812
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: you guaranteed to at least get what they say it's worth.

813
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: How does that work? Well, they don't put a great,

814
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: great a price on it that it's now marketplace, right,

815
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: So they're looking at it based on what the market

816
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: is as they grade, and they've got researchers on tap,

817
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: and obviously they they're aware, I mean they're they're keenly

818
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: aware of how crazy the market is right now. The

819
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: big thing is, you know, if you're sending in under

820
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: the guys of hey, this is a card from two

821
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, and I'm going to put a ten dollar

822
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: value on it, but we know it's a six card,

823
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: like like Zion Williams and some of our Jama Rant

824
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: or some of these you know rookies from last year,

825
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: like out of the pack. The stuff's three four bucks raw, right,

826
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: which means ungraded. So if you're a value of a

827
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: hundred bucks one, you're lying, uh, And then they're gonna

828
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: appropriately right to make sure you're in the right, uh

829
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: sweet spot, and some of the services you know coming

830
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: on and come online and go offline based on demand.

831
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: But um, in the end it goes back into your

832
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: in your hands. And the thing for me, when I

833
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: used to do shows what I always thought these were

834
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: valuable and at the time I thought it was prohibitively

835
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: expensive when I was hustling as a kid. But wish

836
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: I'd just done it because you don't don't have to

837
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: haggle with people. Then right, if it's great at than

838
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: nine by P. S A or Becket or whoever it's

839
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: at nine. You may not like the grade, you may

840
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: disagree with it. You can re submit if you want

841
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: to go through that. But if someone trying to buy

842
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: it from you, they can't say I don't know, this

843
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: corner is not great or this isn't sharp enough. You're

844
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: just like, shut up. It says a nine, yea. So

845
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: you're buying it as a nine, and and that that

846
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: has value in and of itself. If you're trying to

847
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: divest one or thousands of cards, right to not have

848
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: to bother with it. Yeah, absolutely all right, harmon, listen,

849
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. We'll have you on again. Thank you.

850
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: Godspeed well, including that. I appreciate it. You know, I've

851
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: always been a fan, and you're you're you're a worker,

852
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: and I I appreciate the rolling up to sleeves and

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Speaker 1: doing hard work, so I appreciate it. I appreciate you too.

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Speaker 1: You're a good, good fellow radio broadcaster, and I love

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Speaker 1: when you you hang out. We get to hang out

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Speaker 1: off the air, which hasn't happened a long time, but

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Speaker 1: but I'll live a long and prosper Thank you, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. But hey, they're opening the canes. Find me.

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Speaker 1: You can come visit that one. I'm there Katie at

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Speaker 1: Combo done. Let's get it.