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Speaker 1: Jesse Friedman alongside Jack Summers and Jack Diamondbacks did not
Speaker 1: have a great weekend out in Tampa. They get swept
Speaker 1: by the Tampa Bay Rays. They get outscored fifteen to four.
Speaker 1: It was a lifeless showing and they are now under
Speaker 1: five hundred for the first time since May seventeenth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that place has just been a house of horrors
Speaker 2: for the Diamondbacks. They was swept there in twenty three,
Speaker 2: they swept this year. They lost two or three to
Speaker 2: the Rays last year at Chase Field. As we heard
Speaker 2: at nauseum. You know, the Dbacs are zero for six
Speaker 2: in Florida and I think they scored ten runs in
Speaker 2: the six games between.
Speaker 3: Tampa and Miami.
Speaker 2: So yeah, good news for the d Backs that they
Speaker 2: do not need to go back to the state of
Speaker 2: Florida again for the rest of the season, unless it's
Speaker 2: supposed season. Well.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, there really was no good news for Merrill Kelly
Speaker 1: after another rough outing for him on Sunday in the
Speaker 1: finale of the series. Six innings, eight hits, five runs,
Speaker 1: two walks, three strikeouts. He allowed three home runs in
Speaker 1: the game, Jack, he generated four whiffs. I guess if
Speaker 1: you want to combine Zach Gallon and Meryl Kelly in
Speaker 1: the course of that series, those two guys combined to
Speaker 1: get five swing and misses and allowed five home runs,
Speaker 1: and that is you do not want those two numbers
Speaker 1: to be the same. So Meryl Kelly another rough one,
Speaker 1: and at the end of this game, I'll just throw
Speaker 1: these quotes up here. Now, Merrill was sort of at
Speaker 1: a loss for words. Merrill started, I guess the first
Speaker 1: quote that we saw from Jose Romero in his story
Speaker 1: over at the Arizona Republic was Meryll saying that he
Speaker 1: doesn't really have any more ways to describe what's happened
Speaker 1: this season. He said, I'm starting to run out of
Speaker 1: words for how bad I've been this year. And then
Speaker 1: you see here he said, just more of the same,
Speaker 1: missing pitches, bad counts. And then Merrill went on to say,
Speaker 1: we still have half a season left, but as a
Speaker 1: whole on the year, definitely the poorest results the porse,
Speaker 1: I've felt the least.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm doing my job.
Speaker 1: That part sucks probably the worst, not doing what the
Speaker 1: team needs me to do, what the team counts on
Speaker 1: me to do every fifth day. I've mixed some good
Speaker 1: ones in there, but as a whole, I think that's
Speaker 1: the part that hurts the most. And I guess if
Speaker 1: you're a Diamondbacks fan the very least can maybe respect
Speaker 1: that Merril Kelly is really feeling it right now and
Speaker 1: is trying to do everything he can to get back
Speaker 1: on track.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Meryl cares. I mean, I know it's
Speaker 2: frustrating for all of us, but not as much as
Speaker 2: for us as it is for him. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: he's well paid. He's well paid professional athlete. He makes
Speaker 2: a lot of money. But don't for a minute think
Speaker 2: that Merril Kelly doesn't care immensely about how well he
Speaker 2: performs doing his job and trying to help his teammates.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day, we don't
Speaker 2: have to feel bad for him as a person. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's going to be absolutely fine. But don't kid yourself, guys,
Speaker 2: these they care. I know when we're watching on TV,
Speaker 2: whether guys are not hitting or you know, having bad
Speaker 2: at bats, or you know, serving up meatballs. It just
Speaker 2: feels like they don't care, and it's listless and lifeless
Speaker 2: and all of that. And it can feel that way
Speaker 2: in their dugout as well. But they care. They work hard,
Speaker 2: they try, they care. It doesn't excuse poor performance, but
Speaker 2: they care.
Speaker 1: Zach Gallon has the worst ERA in baseball among qualified
Speaker 1: starters at six point one point five. Mary Kelly is
Speaker 1: still not a qualified starter, so he technically is not
Speaker 1: on that list, But if you were a qualified starter,
Speaker 1: his five point eight four ERA theoretically would rank second
Speaker 1: worst in baseball, just behind his teammates Zach Gallon. So
Speaker 1: certainly not what the Diamondbacks we're hoping to get from
Speaker 1: those two guys this season. We talked a little bit
Speaker 1: more about Gallon after his start on Friday. In terms
Speaker 1: of Meryl Jack, I know you've done some work looking
Speaker 1: at some of the underlying numbers for Merrill this season
Speaker 1: and in comparison with twenty twenty five, and I guess
Speaker 1: there was a narrative early in the year that he
Speaker 1: just had a few really bad starts and he didn't
Speaker 1: have a full spring training. You could maybe excuse those
Speaker 1: clunkers in the beginning, but I think your chart here
Speaker 1: shows pretty clearly that Mary Kelly, even if you exclude
Speaker 1: those really bad starts at the beginn any of the year,
Speaker 1: he has not been the same guy.
Speaker 2: That's correct. And the other point for me was, even
Speaker 2: when he was having some good starts, a lot of
Speaker 2: the underlying stuff just didn't look right. And there are
Speaker 2: a lot of really big red flags and warning signs
Speaker 2: that even those few good starts that he did have
Speaker 2: were just not sustainable. So what this chart is, and
Speaker 2: it's a little eyecharty, but.
Speaker 3: Hang with me.
Speaker 2: So this is Merril Kelly's ex wOBA by pitch type splits,
Speaker 2: and it's being compared against the MLB average right hand
Speaker 2: starting pitcher. So I want to be very specific. I
Speaker 2: want to compare Merrill to his class of player right
Speaker 2: hand starters, and so on the screen it shows twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six year to date. And just for those that
Speaker 2: may not know, x wOBA is basically the same as XCRA.
Speaker 2: XCRA is ex wOBA converted to an ERA number, So
Speaker 2: it's just easier to pull the x wOBA and Merrill's
Speaker 2: ex wOBA for the year is coming into today's start
Speaker 2: was four oh two, and the average right hand starting
Speaker 2: pitcher was point three two three. But if I throw
Speaker 2: out the first four starts, just don't include him, just
Speaker 2: toss him out. His ex wOBA from May ninth forward
Speaker 2: was still point three six eight three sixty eight x
Speaker 2: wOBA against a three to nineteen average for the average
Speaker 2: right hand starting pitcher. Compared to twenty twenty five, he
Speaker 2: had a three sixteen x WHOBA versus a three twenty
Speaker 2: two average x WHOBA for the right hand.
Speaker 3: Starting pitchers in the league.
Speaker 2: So we can see a fifty point gap in the
Speaker 2: expected stats on wOBA for Merrill Kelly, even if you
Speaker 2: throw out the bad first fourth starts. The other part
Speaker 2: of this chart that I just want to highlight is
Speaker 2: I did break it out by pitch type, and on
Speaker 2: the far left hand side of the column you can
Speaker 2: see what the wOBA is for the average starting pitcher.
Speaker 2: For example, because if you hit the ball, if you
Speaker 2: put it in play, I mean the average hitters like fastballs, right,
Speaker 2: So the average wOBA on a fastball is zero point
Speaker 2: three four nine. Merrill's this year is five oh two,
Speaker 2: and even since May ninth, it's four fifty. The changeup,
Speaker 2: which is his bread and butter. I mean, the changeup
Speaker 2: was his best pitch in twenty twenty five or with
Speaker 2: a two seventy x wOBA against This year it's three
Speaker 2: ninety and even since May ninth, three point fifty five.
Speaker 2: The cutter's bad, the slider's pretty good, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: throw out that much. The curve is the pitch that
Speaker 2: he's getting the most success on, but again is probably
Speaker 2: hard to sequence in more frequently than he has. I
Speaker 2: showed the total number of pitches as well. He's only
Speaker 2: got a two oh nine x wOBA on the curve
Speaker 2: ball since May ninth. So there are you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: basically it's ever think about the curveball and maybe some
Speaker 2: of the sliders getting hammered, forcing change up, cutter, sinker,
Speaker 2: they're all getting absolutely drilled, and you know, so it's
Speaker 2: really hard for me to see where to be optimistic
Speaker 2: with Merrill going forward, Like what's the way forward for
Speaker 2: him to reverse this collapse?
Speaker 3: And that's what this is, folks.
Speaker 2: This is a complete and total collapse through you know,
Speaker 2: however many starts he's got fourteen or whatever for a
Speaker 2: thirty seven year old pitcher.
Speaker 1: I think We've always understood with Merrill that the stuff
Speaker 1: wasn't all that great, and as it continued to diminish
Speaker 1: as he got older, like there was a risk there,
Speaker 1: certainly that he would just sort of drop off the table.
Speaker 1: What's odd about his twenty twenty six season is the
Speaker 1: numbers haven't really dropped off the table. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: forcing fastball this year is averaged ninety two point zero
Speaker 1: last year at average ninety one point nine. You look
Speaker 1: at the movement on some of his pitches, I know,
Speaker 1: the cutter movement profile is pretty different this year. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure it's clearly worse than it was last year,
Speaker 1: but it is different. The change up his signature pitch
Speaker 1: that you mentioned almost exactly identical in terms of velocity
Speaker 1: and movement. I think he's lost a third of an
Speaker 1: inch of drop, but that is such a small number
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that that is solely responsible for
Speaker 1: the difference there. And it sets up a situation with
Speaker 1: Meryl Jack where I'm just like, I just can't really
Speaker 1: put my finger on what's gone on with him this season.
Speaker 1: The narrative that he's kind of pushed in his postgame interviews,
Speaker 1: and he talked about it again today, was just throwing
Speaker 1: too many pitches in the heart of the zone. And
Speaker 1: I know this is maybe a bit of an oversimplification,
Speaker 1: but if you just look at the percentage of pitches
Speaker 1: in the heart of the zone from Merril Kelly, he
Speaker 1: actually has thrown fewer of them in twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: than he did season ago. This season he's a twenty
Speaker 1: two point three percent of his pitches in the heart
Speaker 1: of the zone. Last year was twenty four point three percent,
Speaker 1: so actually down two percent in that regard. The one
Speaker 1: thing I could find Jack was his zone rate is
Speaker 1: down pretty significantly. He has thrown forty three point five
Speaker 1: percent of his pitches in the zone entering today. Last
Speaker 1: year was forty seven point eight percent, and I think
Speaker 1: compared to the rest of his career, I believe that's
Speaker 1: the lowest zone rate of his career. So in terms
Speaker 1: of just literally throwing the pitch in the strike zone,
Speaker 1: Merrill Kelly has regressed in that regard, and I guess
Speaker 1: that that results in fewer counts in his favor and
Speaker 1: hitters maybe just being more comfortable against his wide arsenal
Speaker 1: of pitches.
Speaker 2: Meryl also talked about his mechanics and saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: he felt like there was some issues there with his mechanics,
Speaker 2: and there were definitely some problems there. I go back
Speaker 2: to discussion I have with Brent Strom during the Madison
Speaker 2: Bumgarner trials, and you know, when we look with looking
Speaker 2: at Bumgarner, I mean, his velocity was the same, his
Speaker 2: spin rates were the same, the movement profile on his
Speaker 2: pitches was essentially the same. We couldn't figure out why
Speaker 2: hitters were crushing him, but he was having a lot
Speaker 2: of location mistakes. It wasn't so much that he was
Speaker 2: walking guys, but he did get scared out of strike.
Speaker 3: Zone a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I asked Strom, I said, do pictures sometimes maybe
Speaker 2: have to go a little harder or closer to max
Speaker 2: effort when they get older And it doesn't show up
Speaker 2: in the velocity and the spin rates, but it does
Speaker 2: show up in inconsistency and mechanics and inability to locate.
Speaker 2: And he said absolutely. He said, you know, the location
Speaker 2: oftentimes goes first, especially when you're looking at guys that
Speaker 2: don't throw ninety eight miles an hour. It was like,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, why is this? You know, command
Speaker 2: and control expert having a hard time dotting the ball
Speaker 2: like he used to do and keeping it in the
Speaker 2: strike zone. And so you know that's an age factor.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we all get older. Father time is
Speaker 2: undefeated and being able to repeat your mechanics whistle clean
Speaker 2: every single time so that you can put the ball
Speaker 2: exactly where you want it. That's part of the formula two.
Speaker 2: And there's probably some ways to measure that, but it's
Speaker 2: much more subtle and difficult to do so, and so
Speaker 2: those things will show up first before you see the
Speaker 2: rest of the underlying metrics kind of following behind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. I think that makes a lot
Speaker 4: of sense.
Speaker 1: Certainly, that could be at the heart of what's going
Speaker 1: on with Merrill Kelly five point eight to four er
Speaker 1: at this point still just such an enormous difference from
Speaker 1: where he was a season ago, a three point five
Speaker 1: to two ERA in one hundred and eighty four innings.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best pitchers in baseball and this
Speaker 1: season far far from it. So Diamondbacks get swept by
Speaker 1: the Rays Junior Camonaro, Holy cow, they are going to
Speaker 1: be happy to not have to pitch to him anymore.
Speaker 1: He went five for ten in the series with three
Speaker 1: home runs. That was pretty brutal. And the Diamondbacks have
Speaker 1: now lost six of their last eight. They are ten
Speaker 1: and eighteen since reaching a season high seven games over
Speaker 1: five hundred back on May twenty seventh, And I guess
Speaker 1: we should maybe touch on the offense here as well.
Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks was scoring just the one run in the
Speaker 1: finale of the series. They have now scored two runs
Speaker 1: or fewer in fourteen games since May thirtieth, That is
Speaker 1: the span of less than a month, and the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: have scored two runs or less in fourteen strake or
Speaker 1: in fourteen games in that span. This offense jack continues
Speaker 1: to be lifeless with runners in scoring position and really
Speaker 1: more lately just kind of lifeless in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're going to dig into some of
Speaker 2: the underlying stuff but later in the show on the offense,
Speaker 2: But you know, we're getting close to the time where
Speaker 2: some really big moves probably will be happening soon. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know much how much further they can go
Speaker 2: this way with the offense struggling this badly, whether that's
Speaker 2: you know, change of player personnel or change of coaching personnel.
Speaker 3: Something's going to give just as simple as that.
Speaker 2: What moves they'll choose to make and when and how
Speaker 2: they'll make them, we don't know for sure. We can
Speaker 2: make suggestions, We have ideas, just like everybody else. You know,
Speaker 2: we'll put some of those forth today, but very very
Speaker 2: difficult to watch.
Speaker 3: They're just a tough watch right now.
Speaker 1: Before we get to our first break, just circling back
Speaker 1: to Maryland, Zach real quick. You and I had a
Speaker 1: conversation earlier today offline about how the Diamondbacks could maybe
Speaker 1: maximize the value on these two guys as they are
Speaker 1: continuing to struggle. I know there's a contingent of people
Speaker 1: that would love to see the d Bacs just remove
Speaker 1: Merrill and Zach from their rotation and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: throw Mitch Bratt and Cold Drake or something like that
Speaker 1: in there. I don't think that's a realistic outcome for
Speaker 1: this team right now. But Jack, I know you had
Speaker 1: a thought about how the Diamondbacks could maybe get some
Speaker 1: more value here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is an original thought. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: other people have discussed this before, but I'm embracing the
Speaker 2: thought the more I've thought about it, which is, at
Speaker 2: this point in time, as for zach and or for Merril,
Speaker 2: they have to consider using an opener in front of them.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't really matter so much of the righty
Speaker 2: lefty aspect of it. It's more about protecting them from
Speaker 2: the top three on the other team's batting order, because
Speaker 2: almost every team puts their best three hitters one, two, three.
Speaker 2: Protect those two guys right now. Let them get their
Speaker 2: feet under them by facing the lower down portion of
Speaker 2: the order when they come out, and then by the
Speaker 2: time they get back around to the top of the order,
Speaker 2: they will have at least, you know, faced anywhere from
Speaker 2: three to six batters, figure out what's working today, maybe
Speaker 2: being a little bit more solid footing, maybe have a
Speaker 2: little bit more confidence. And you know, oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: that's one less time that they have to face the
Speaker 2: top of the order. They're still starting pictures, they can
Speaker 2: still give you length. You need the bulk. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't just say, well, I'll send them to the bullpen,
Speaker 2: which I did, but you know, the reality is somebody's
Speaker 2: got to start. So the other thing is is, you know, okay,
Speaker 2: with pedigree and history and relationships and all of that,
Speaker 2: I can see where that would be a difficult conversation
Speaker 2: to have, but I don't see how either one of
Speaker 2: them has a leg to stand on to push back
Speaker 2: on this idea. If dbac's management went to them and said, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going to we're going to go with an opener today,
Speaker 2: you know, or the next two or three times out,
Speaker 2: we're going to try an opener for you guys, I
Speaker 2: think that they could get some value that way.
Speaker 3: If you think it through.
Speaker 2: That way, they never really need to face the top
Speaker 2: three of any batting order more than once twice. If
Speaker 2: they're going really well, right, if they're pitching really well,
Speaker 2: then you can say, okay, let them try and get
Speaker 2: through that top three in the order. And if, you know,
Speaker 2: if it happens too quickly, then it means it's not
Speaker 2: pitching well in the first place. But I think at
Speaker 2: least this way you can get some bulk innings out
Speaker 2: of them. You know, you might be able to get
Speaker 2: five innings, you know, fifteen outs or whatever from them
Speaker 2: that way, so without giving up quite so many runs.
Speaker 2: So this is something I would try just to try
Speaker 2: to salvage them. And that's what I'm talking about here, folks.
Speaker 2: Salvage I do not believe that either one of them
Speaker 2: is just going to magically turn it around and even
Speaker 2: be a four or four point five Vra Pitcher.
Speaker 3: I think we're past a point of no return.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to argue with that. As both of
Speaker 1: these guys continue to struggle. It is frankly hard for
Speaker 1: me to imagine the Diamondbacks actually doing that. I think
Speaker 1: the factors that you mentioned earlier, of just the pedigree
Speaker 1: that they have in this organization, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to see it happening, especially with maybe with Zach because
Speaker 1: it's a one year contract. I think with Merrill, the
Speaker 1: fact that he's coming back next year, like the optics there,
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time imagining them going down
Speaker 1: that road. But certainly it makes some sense. All this
Speaker 1: to say, the Diamondbacks are not in a great position
Speaker 1: after the weekend. The vibes have soured quite a bit
Speaker 1: here over the past few weeks, and as we think
Speaker 1: ahead to the trade deadline, which is thirty six days
Speaker 1: away as we record here on Sunday evening, June twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks have quite a few questions to answer. So
Speaker 1: when we come back after this break, we're going to
Speaker 1: dive into the trade deadline, how we think the d
Speaker 1: Bacs should approach it. Are they maybe more leaning towards
Speaker 1: cell mode at this point. We'll get into all of
Speaker 1: that on the other side of this break. We are
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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Well, Jack I mentioned it before the break.
Speaker 1: We are thirty six days out from the August third
Speaker 1: trade deadline. Some big decisions on the horizon. Of course,
Speaker 1: the only public comments that Mike Hasen has made on
Speaker 1: this subject or that he is planning to buy, so
Speaker 1: I guess in that sense, you know you still have
Speaker 1: to put some stock in those words. But Mike also
Speaker 1: said those words long enough ago that you'll wonder if
Speaker 1: things have maybe changed. The Diamondbacks are forty one and
Speaker 1: forty two after their series loss or series sweep, I
Speaker 1: should say at the hands of the Tampa Bay Rays.
Speaker 1: This is where they are in the standings. They are
Speaker 1: three games behind the Saint Louis Cardinals for that third
Speaker 1: wild card spot. And maybe even more daunting than that
Speaker 1: number is the fact that they have five teams that
Speaker 1: they would need to jump over to get into that
Speaker 1: third wild card spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, their playoff odds are not great right now. As
Speaker 2: of today, Fangraphs is already down to eighteen point five percent,
Speaker 2: I believe, and I'm sure that when we look at
Speaker 2: Baseball Reference, they're probably going to be down to about
Speaker 2: six percent. Baseball Perspectus is going to be down to
Speaker 2: about twenty three percent, So they're composite. Even if you,
Speaker 2: you know, just use three different methodologies, it's going to
Speaker 2: be about sixteen percent. When we compare where they were
Speaker 2: through eighty three games last year, they were Fangrafts had
Speaker 2: them in eighteen point two percent and Reference had them
Speaker 2: in eleven point two percent.
Speaker 1: So they had the exact same record, right, forty one
Speaker 1: and forty two through eighty three games, the exact same
Speaker 1: record at this point last season.
Speaker 2: Right, and they were in similar spot and standings, So
Speaker 2: you know, not looking great.
Speaker 3: It's pretty bleak.
Speaker 2: And you know, Mike is a responsible general manager, so
Speaker 2: he's not going to, you know, all of a sudden
Speaker 2: start stripping the farm, bear to go bring in a
Speaker 2: bunch of rentals.
Speaker 3: That's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: You know, what he is going to do will still
Speaker 2: largely be determined about by what happens over the next
Speaker 2: you know, twenty five days. I mean, he's got fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty games to decide ultimately what he is what he's
Speaker 2: going to do. We, on the other hand, have opinions
Speaker 2: about what he should do or where he's likely to
Speaker 2: land on this based on what we're seeing.
Speaker 4: I guess this is uh, this is where we throw
Speaker 4: this on the screen. This is a that's the time, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll stick with this for the next month
Speaker 1: or so and kind of use it to as a
Speaker 1: gauge for what the Diamondbacks are most likely to do
Speaker 1: with the deadline. For those of you listening have no
Speaker 1: idea what I'm talking about, we have a little gauge
Speaker 1: that kind of looks like a speedometer, where on the
Speaker 1: far left side you have sell, in the middle you
Speaker 1: have hold, and then on the right side of the gauge,
Speaker 1: you have the Diamondbacks buying, and right now we have
Speaker 1: we're basically towing the line between sell and hold where
Speaker 1: we think the Diamondbacks are certainly not in a buy
Speaker 1: mode if the trade deadline was tomorrow, but they're also
Speaker 1: close enough, Like if the standings looked something like this
Speaker 1: right at the trade deadline, they are within shouting distance.
Speaker 1: I mean, three games is not insurmountable. We know Mike
Speaker 1: Kyson likes to be aggressive, so I think if it
Speaker 1: looked something, if the standings looked something like this on
Speaker 1: August first, or whatever date you want to look at,
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine the d Bacs going full on
Speaker 1: fire sale in that situation as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it may be hard, but it may also
Speaker 2: be the right thing to do. The problem is is
Speaker 2: full on fire sale. They don't have the assets like
Speaker 2: they had last year. I mean last year you had Naylor,
Speaker 2: you had Geno, you have Merrow. They thought they had
Speaker 2: an asset in Zach, but it's turned out that the
Speaker 2: rest of the league saw what we're seeing now. You know,
Speaker 2: they did also sell Randall Gritchick and they ended up
Speaker 2: selling Shelby Miller and packaging him with Jordan Montgomery saved
Speaker 2: some money. So you know, now this year they're free
Speaker 2: agents are mostly relievers, right, I mean Lords is a
Speaker 2: free agent. You know, James mccannon is a free agent.
Speaker 2: But you know it's Kevin Kinkle, it's Paul Sewall, it's
Speaker 2: Jonathan Issica, it's Taylor Clark. I mean, these are the
Speaker 2: guys that they have to market. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's a totally different thing because two months of a
Speaker 2: reliever that's a free agent the next year is going
Speaker 2: to get you a lot less than two months of
Speaker 2: a Merril Kelly or even a Gino Suarez or Joshnaylor.
Speaker 2: So you know, the cell option isn't as attractive because
Speaker 2: of less marketable assets. But I think the other thing
Speaker 2: we need to look at is, you know, how do
Speaker 2: we project this team going forward and what's the true
Speaker 2: underlying nature of this team. I mean, beyond the fact
Speaker 2: that they're just slumping horribly on offense and Zach and
Speaker 2: Merrill are struggling, we can kind of take a look
Speaker 2: back even when the record was doing somewhat better. You know,
Speaker 2: what I have here on the screen is a chart
Speaker 2: of wOBA and X wOBA through May sixteenth, and the
Speaker 2: batter Is on May sixteenth had a three oh nine
Speaker 2: wOBA which ranked twenty fourth in the league, and at
Speaker 2: three oh nine x WHOBA would ranked twenty fourth in
Speaker 2: the league. The pitchers had a three nineteen wOBA against,
Speaker 2: which was seventeenth, the x wOBA was three thirty six,
Speaker 2: which was twenty fourth. And then I show the era
Speaker 2: versus XCRA, FIP, x FIP and Sierra, and all of
Speaker 2: those are you know, in were more or less in line. Well,
Speaker 2: now we fast forward to June twenty seventh, and the
Speaker 2: team's wolba's three oh seven, it's twenty seventh.
Speaker 3: In the league.
Speaker 2: The x roobs three thirteen, it's twenty second in the league. So,
Speaker 2: you know, the offense has been the offense really for
Speaker 2: a long time. This isn't something new that just the
Speaker 2: situational hitting has been so bad, so the runs aren't coming,
Speaker 2: but the underlying inputs that determine, you know, what kind
Speaker 2: of talent you have has been the same all year.
Speaker 2: Pitchers they have a three to twenty three wOBA against
Speaker 2: as of June's twenty seventh that ranks twenty first in
Speaker 2: the league. The x wol three thirty eight ranks twenty six. Now,
Speaker 2: that gap maybe can be explained by the defense, because
Speaker 2: the Dbacs are in the top two or three fielding
Speaker 2: run value, so their defense has been very good, and
Speaker 2: so if there's a gap between their wOBA and x wOBA,
Speaker 2: the fielding is probably a major factor there in helping
Speaker 2: that along.
Speaker 1: I guess all this to say that you could make
Speaker 1: a very strong case that the Diamondbacks true talent level
Speaker 1: offensively is bottom ten in the league, and that their
Speaker 1: true talent level pitching wise is bottom ten in the league,
Speaker 1: maybe worse than that.
Speaker 4: On both of those fronts, you could argue, And.
Speaker 1: So projecting moving forward, it's hard to it's hard to
Speaker 1: look at this team that's only a game under five
Speaker 1: hundred and three games out of the playoffs right now
Speaker 1: and think that realistically they're going to be able to
Speaker 1: turn this around.
Speaker 3: That's my sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I have to admit that when I
Speaker 2: predicted in our preseason predictions as the Dbacks would be
Speaker 2: a seventy five win team, I was thinking it was
Speaker 2: because I thought the bullpen was going to be terrible
Speaker 2: and the pitching was going to be bottom five to ten.
Speaker 2: I'm not far off there, but I thought they would
Speaker 2: have a league average offense, and they still project on
Speaker 2: paper as a league average offense. So I'm finding more
Speaker 2: close to it, like probably around eighteenth or nineteenth, you know,
Speaker 2: better than twentieth, somewhere between fifteen and twenty. If you
Speaker 2: go to the Fangrass depth charts rest of season projections,
Speaker 2: most of the players have better projections than their actual
Speaker 2: numbers for this year. Corbyn's got better, you know, numbers
Speaker 2: than his projections, but Katell and so does Gabby. But
Speaker 2: Katel and Prodomo are significantly worse. And of course Lordis
Speaker 2: and peven Smith the bottom has fallen out on their production,
Speaker 2: albeit in small sample size because of injury. But that's
Speaker 2: what you're dealing with, veteran players that have been having hurt,
Speaker 2: that have been hurt, that are having terrible years. And
Speaker 2: then you have a lot of really young players. And
Speaker 2: if you look at the aggregate of all the young players,
Speaker 2: the batting averages are kind of okay, but there's very
Speaker 2: little pop there. I mean, Tommy Troy is your your
Speaker 2: rookie slugger with three homers. You know, it's just unfortunately,
Speaker 2: if you you know, we want to see these young
Speaker 2: players come up and play and develop every day. And
Speaker 2: I think the overriding sense as well, if you're going
Speaker 2: to lose any way, at least let's see the young
Speaker 2: kids try and develop and enjoy that. And that can happen.
Speaker 2: That can be very enjoyable at times, that can also
Speaker 2: kind of be tough to watch, especially for the casual fan.
Speaker 2: Everyone has to remember we're the diehards, right. If you're
Speaker 2: watching this show, you're a diehard Jesse and I.
Speaker 1: If you're crazy enough to watch our show, then clearly
Speaker 1: this team is important to you.
Speaker 2: But you know they're running a business, right And you know,
Speaker 2: the casual fan, if they see a bunch of rookies
Speaker 2: that they don't know anything about, you know, they're probably
Speaker 2: not going to show up at the ballpark to come
Speaker 2: out and see them. Now, they're not coming out to
Speaker 2: the ballpark to see Lord Is to hobble around and Pevin
Speaker 2: Smith ground out or strikeout either. So you know, a
Speaker 2: case can be made either way. But I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to say, like from an owner's perspective, you know, the
Speaker 2: decision to strip off all your veterans and DFA all
Speaker 2: your veterans and goes strictly youth. That's a tough one
Speaker 2: to make, but I think they're going to get there
Speaker 2: because they should and they're going to have to.
Speaker 1: In terms of what it would look like for the
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks to actually sell, you mentioned some of the names.
Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks do have a lot of impending free agents currently,
Speaker 1: but yeah, a lot of them are are relievers or
Speaker 1: position players like Lordis Gurriyell and James McCann that you
Speaker 1: just don't figure are going to bring back a whole
Speaker 1: lot of value. I guess on the reliever front, the
Speaker 1: name that stands out most to me as someone that
Speaker 1: would be attractive for teams is Kevin Ginkle. Ginkle We've
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot. His underlying numbers have been
Speaker 1: strong consistently throughout the season. I know they've slipped a
Speaker 1: little bit here in recent days. There's been a little
Speaker 1: bit more hard contact lately, but he still has a
Speaker 1: sub three er and has a strikeout ray close to
Speaker 1: thirty percent. He's the kind of reliever that if you're
Speaker 1: a contending team, you'd probably be happy to plug Kevin
Speaker 1: Ginkle in not as your closer, but maybe as like
Speaker 1: your seventh inning guy. I think that would be attractive
Speaker 1: for teams out there. The other relievers that the Dbacks
Speaker 1: have available, it's a little bit hard to say how
Speaker 1: attractive they would be for teams. I mean, Ryan Thompson
Speaker 1: has put up pretty good numbers, but you look at
Speaker 1: the underlying stats, he's not really striking anybody out. And
Speaker 1: we know how important that is for teams, especially when
Speaker 1: they think about the postseason. They're looking for swing and miss.
Speaker 1: That's really the skill set they're targeting more than anything else,
Speaker 1: and it's really a skill set that Ryan Thompson doesn't have.
Speaker 1: He's well below average in that regard. A similar story
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Lewisica who has a good ra but his
Speaker 1: strikeout rate is well below the league average. Taylor Clark
Speaker 1: similar story, strikeout rate well below league average. And so
Speaker 1: you'll wonder, even if the Diamondbacks were in a pretty
Speaker 1: pretty confident cell mode at the trade deadline, I wonder
Speaker 1: if the juice is worth the squeeze with those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you actually getting back anything meaningful for
Speaker 1: any of them? Maybe you'd rather hold on to him
Speaker 1: on the off chance that we see something like we
Speaker 1: did last year, where do they kind of make it
Speaker 1: interesting toward the end of the season, and maybe you'd
Speaker 1: be happy to have those guys on the roster.
Speaker 2: The other thing, and I mentioned this the other day,
Speaker 2: if you think this team is a tough watch, now,
Speaker 2: you know, dive into your next tier of relief pitchers,
Speaker 2: you know, the wamberg Osh and if he manages to
Speaker 2: get back healthy, Andrew Hoffman or Kate Stroud, you know,
Speaker 2: guys like that. I mean, like, you know, you look
Speaker 2: at who's come up from the miners and how they performed,
Speaker 2: and it's been brutal, of course, you know.
Speaker 3: So brutal that Joe Bardiaz got himself DFAD.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's it's kind of dicey to say, okay,
Speaker 2: well yeah, just strip a clean, sell it off, bring
Speaker 2: out you know, well, wait a minute, you only have
Speaker 2: among the position players I mean that you would possibly trade,
Speaker 2: might have any trade value or lord is, if a
Speaker 2: team needs a right hand to bat, we'll come to
Speaker 2: that minute, or you know, and they think that he
Speaker 2: might be able to hit, or you know, strip your relievers.
Speaker 2: So that's another dicey piece of this whole puzzle too.
Speaker 2: You know, if Mike makes a trade, I think he's
Speaker 2: just most likely at this point to trade for somebody
Speaker 2: that's got control, he's going to want a major league
Speaker 2: player that has control. You know, some of that's at
Speaker 2: least got his beak wet in a major not somebody
Speaker 2: that's never played, hopefully, somebody that's got at least a
Speaker 2: year or two under their belt. He's going to want
Speaker 2: a controlled player. And so if the players even halfway
Speaker 2: decent and you're trading for a player that's under team control,
Speaker 2: then it's going to cost you on your prospect list.
Speaker 2: So be ready for that too. I think about AJ
Speaker 2: Puck all right now, Davis and Della Sentos was an
Speaker 2: overrated prospect by my view at the time, because we
Speaker 2: saw that strikeout rate, and we saw the swing and
Speaker 2: miss and just a lack of plate discipline and lack
Speaker 2: of defensive mobility, and we you know, just outweighed his
Speaker 2: prodigious power.
Speaker 3: Yes, guy had light tower power, but we could see that.
Speaker 2: I don't know why the Marlins gave up AJ Puck,
Speaker 2: but then again, you look at his injury history, and
Speaker 2: the number one ability is availability, and they probably just
Speaker 2: felt like, you know what, I'll take a role here
Speaker 2: because Aj is probably just going to get hurt. Again,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what happened for the Diamondbacks while they're
Speaker 2: paying some pretty exhorba in arbitration wages.
Speaker 3: So you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: But I think that, you know, we've got to be
Speaker 2: careful what we ask for because if they do sell,
Speaker 2: the only assets they have our relievers, and the next
Speaker 2: line of relievers is pretty weak.
Speaker 1: We've got more to get to in this this buy
Speaker 1: sell conversation, so we'll jump back into it. We'll also
Speaker 1: talk about the Giant Series coming up, as well as
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Speaker 1: As we jump back into our trade deadline discussion, I
Speaker 1: guess we should mention that the possibility of buying at
Speaker 1: the deadline is not is not completely out of the question,
Speaker 1: where we're still over a month away again the last
Speaker 1: the only comments that Mike Hasen has made on the
Speaker 1: record about this is that he's planning to buy, and
Speaker 1: we know that that he likes to be aggressive, and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if he did that. Looking at
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four as examples, Mike
Speaker 1: Hasen bought both of those years when the Diamondbacks were
Speaker 1: actually not comfortably in a playoff spot, depending on exactly
Speaker 1: which day you look on the calendar, both of those
Speaker 1: years they were right on the doorstep. They were, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe had to climb over one or two teams. They
Speaker 1: were about a game or so out of the third
Speaker 1: wild card spot, but they weren't they weren't in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: In twenty three, Mike talked about how the team got
Speaker 1: off to this great start and we believe in that
Speaker 1: and we want to support what they were able to do.
Speaker 1: And then in twenty twenty four it felt like maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a clear cut decision, even though, yeah,
Speaker 1: the d Backs at that time they were not in
Speaker 1: a playoff spot. So I don't think the threshold here
Speaker 1: is the d Backs have to be, you know, at
Speaker 1: the top wild card spot or the second wild card spot.
Speaker 1: Even I think there's maybe a world where Mike hasen
Speaker 1: buys and they're outside of the playoff picture. It just
Speaker 1: probably needs to look a little better than it does
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you have to, as we did, took
Speaker 2: a lookout before. They have to get in a better
Speaker 2: position on these head to heads. I mean all the
Speaker 2: teams in front of them, the five teams in front
Speaker 2: of them, they've got a lot of games left against them,
Speaker 2: and even against them, you want to include the Phillies
Speaker 2: and the Cubs. I mean, they've got three against the Phillies,
Speaker 2: three against the Cubs, they've got four against the Cardinals,
Speaker 2: they've got three against the Pirates, three against the Nationals,
Speaker 2: three against the Marlins, you know, and so they have
Speaker 2: an opportunity to make a move. Now they're not all
Speaker 2: coming up right away, and the schedule's pretty tough. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: they have three against the Giants, but then they've faced
Speaker 2: the Brewers for three. Then they go on the road
Speaker 2: to California for four games against the Padres and three
Speaker 2: against the Dodgers.
Speaker 3: And yes, the Padres.
Speaker 2: Don't hit, but they're a tough team to beat in
Speaker 2: San Diego and they pitch well. So you know, they
Speaker 2: could the Dvacs could easily head into the All Star
Speaker 2: Break quite a few games under five hundred. But if
Speaker 2: they managed to turn it around, if you know, over
Speaker 2: these next six for ten thirteen games, you know, they
Speaker 2: go like eight and five in the next thirteen games,
Speaker 2: and they get to a couple of games over five hundred,
Speaker 2: they're probably going to be, you know, right on the
Speaker 2: doorstep again coming out of the All Star Break. And
Speaker 2: then it just depends what they do. You know, that
Speaker 2: last week before Mike has to make his decisions. I
Speaker 2: mean most of his decisions are made probably you know,
Speaker 2: a week before the trade deadline itself. Of like Okay,
Speaker 2: this is our direction. He can, you know, make adjustments
Speaker 2: as he goes depending on what's happening within that and
Speaker 2: certainly injuries both to his team and other teams can
Speaker 2: come into effect there as well.
Speaker 3: So yes, there's.
Speaker 2: Plenty of time for Mike to still become a buyer.
Speaker 2: But when you look at the underlying weaknesses of this team,
Speaker 2: they need to improve in those areas, I think because
Speaker 2: the team's got to be looking at what I'm looking
Speaker 2: at and a lot more. They can't not see it.
Speaker 2: They know it. But they're just more paid than we
Speaker 2: are when it comes to their belief in players. That
Speaker 2: I mean, when they invest in a player, whether it's
Speaker 2: via draft or trade or signing and all the time
Speaker 2: of development and all of that, you know they're not
Speaker 2: just going to give up on that right away because
Speaker 2: the guy has a bad month. You know, they're not fans,
Speaker 2: they're professionals. So at the same time, they see what
Speaker 2: we see and ten times more, and so they know
Speaker 2: which guys are truly trending in the wrong direction and
Speaker 2: they're going to make their decisions based on that.
Speaker 1: Another name we should mention on the cell side is
Speaker 1: Michael Soroka, who has theoretically an opportunity to be healthy
Speaker 1: before the trade deadline, and he's on a one year contract,
Speaker 1: and certainly if he came back healthy and looked good,
Speaker 1: then I'm sure there would be teams that would show
Speaker 1: interest in him. Three point zero seventy ERA and fifteen starts,
Speaker 1: the Dbax are in cell mode. They get a lot
Speaker 1: of Michael Soroka if he was healthy, So I think
Speaker 1: Soroka would be far and away their most coveted asset
Speaker 1: if they were sellers and if he was healthy. The
Speaker 1: other name that's fascinating to me on the cell side
Speaker 1: is Paul Seawald, who is eighteen for nineteen and saves right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard, it's hard to argue with that,
Speaker 1: but we know that the types of relievers that teams
Speaker 1: usually acquire at the deadline. You know, if you trade
Speaker 1: for a team's closer, chances are you want them to be,
Speaker 1: you know, their seventh inning guy. They want them to
Speaker 1: be their seventh thinning guy or eighth inning guy or
Speaker 1: something like that. And I'm not sure a team would
Speaker 1: do that with Paul Seawald. It kind of feels like
Speaker 1: he has value in the closing role, but it would
Speaker 1: be maybe a bit of a wild card in any
Speaker 1: other setting. So he's another name where maybe there'd be interest,
Speaker 1: but the d Bacs just might not be able to
Speaker 1: get enough to actually warrant trading him off to another team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right, you know, not that he would
Speaker 2: have zero values, only making one and a half million,
Speaker 2: so you know, for five hundred thousand dollars, there's plenty
Speaker 2: of teams that would take a chance on him, but
Speaker 2: you know, it just you wouldn't get much back. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, important part of this too is the salary
Speaker 2: relief because the Dbacks have been brushing up against the
Speaker 2: competitive balance tax and we don't know if that's all
Speaker 2: going to go away next year, if there's even going
Speaker 2: to be a season next year, but you know, for
Speaker 2: right now, the Dbacks definitely don't want to be paying penalties,
Speaker 2: so you know, saving half a million here, a millionaire,
Speaker 2: two millionaire, you know, that all kind of helps them
Speaker 2: back away from that luxury tax threshold.
Speaker 1: I mean it seems like this year if they're sellers,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not there's no way that they're going
Speaker 1: to get to the threshold.
Speaker 4: If they're sellers, right.
Speaker 2: Well, onles. They do the old sell buy two step right,
Speaker 2: a couple of guys off to make room to bring
Speaker 2: in somebody else. You never well go get a hitter, well,
Speaker 2: any hitter worth his sauce. I mean, you know that
Speaker 2: is going to cost you some money. It's going to
Speaker 2: be some guy that's second or third year, are at
Speaker 2: least or maybe has a couple of years left on
Speaker 2: the contract, and you're absorbing salary. So you know, you
Speaker 2: got to make you got to clear some follar space there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and regardless of the luxury tax situation, Ken Kendrick
Speaker 1: might just decide that he wants to cut back on payroll,
Speaker 1: even if that's not an issue. If the d Backs
Speaker 1: are sellers, he might say, like, yes, let's you know,
Speaker 1: let's trade Jonathan Lewisega. Even though we're not getting much back,
Speaker 1: we're saving what it would be like five hundred k
Speaker 1: or something out out of his one point five million.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe those savings would actually be worthwhile for
Speaker 1: for Ken Kendrick trying to lower the payroll a little
Speaker 1: bit down the stretch. So a lot of decisions for
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks to to make here in the next the
Speaker 1: next few weeks.
Speaker 2: Are we at the point in the show where we
Speaker 2: can talk about the Mariners pretty please please please.
Speaker 1: Sir Jack, what Mariners Diamondbacks trade? Are we going to
Speaker 1: get this July?
Speaker 3: Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Tell us well, reports have come out that the Mariners
Speaker 2: are looking for a reliever in a right handed bat.
Speaker 2: So I had like a very strange thought which probably
Speaker 2: can't or won't happen. But you know, it's not the
Speaker 2: worst idea I've ever had, which is, you know, go
Speaker 2: to Jerry Depoto and say, here, we'll pick up all
Speaker 2: but say a million of Lordis's salary, you know, to
Speaker 2: pick up a million of Lordus Curio's salary. But you
Speaker 2: got to do it. Now, go ahead and bring Ryan
Speaker 2: Walshman back up. You move Lordis over the Seattle. Now
Speaker 2: what's in that for Seattle? I mean they get a
Speaker 2: guy early that if he somehow did get on a heater,
Speaker 2: you know that that's a million dollar risk or a
Speaker 2: two million dollar risk, but it's not going to cost
Speaker 2: him anything in player capital. In other words, you're just
Speaker 2: getting the Mariners to take as much of the salary
Speaker 2: remaining salary as you can without really getting any player
Speaker 2: capital in return. Right, And so for the Mariners, they
Speaker 2: get him early enough where if it works out and
Speaker 2: he starts to hit, you got your right handed hitter.
Speaker 2: And if it doesn't work out, they can say goodbye
Speaker 2: to him before the trade downline and go try somebody else.
Speaker 2: And all it's cost him is a couple million dollars.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what their salary situation is and
Speaker 2: how tight it is, but that's something that I would
Speaker 2: be on the phone talking to them about if I
Speaker 2: was my Kazum, you know, I would see, hey, could
Speaker 2: you take lorders off my hands? How much of the
Speaker 2: salary are.
Speaker 3: You willing to absorb?
Speaker 2: And I would try to make it early move there.
Speaker 2: And then for Mike, he's simply replacing Lords with Ryan.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm skeptical, but I'm also like, well, this is
Speaker 1: a Mariner's Diamondbacks trade, so of course it could happen
Speaker 1: and probably will happen.
Speaker 4: Looking at the Mariners roster a little.
Speaker 1: More closely, the guy that they got in the off
Speaker 1: season to be their right handed hitting outfielder was Rob Refsnyder,
Speaker 1: and he has had just a miserable season. He's hitting
Speaker 1: one thirty three with a two oh three on base
Speaker 1: percentage of two nineteen slug negative one point one war
Speaker 1: entering today. So I guess the threshold that the Mariners
Speaker 1: are looking for is maybe not that high. So so
Speaker 1: maybe that does open the door to take a chance
Speaker 1: on someone like Lordis Guriel Junior. I still am skeptical
Speaker 1: because I think that lordis. Yes, he has been better
Speaker 1: than ref Snyder this year, but not by that much.
Speaker 1: To me, he just looks like a player that you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm a contender, I don't really see a need
Speaker 1: to go down that road. I would be shooting higher
Speaker 1: for sure. But but yeah, we know how Jerry Depoto
Speaker 1: and Mike Hazen r So never say never.
Speaker 2: Well again, the concept that I have there is that only.
Speaker 3: Works if it's early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's not a move that the Mariners
Speaker 2: would do five days before the trade deadline. There certainly
Speaker 2: would be shooting higher. The point is that if they
Speaker 2: pulled this off in the next week, you know, before
Speaker 2: the All Star break, then you can you got fifteen
Speaker 2: games to see if Lords can do anything, and if
Speaker 2: he doesn't, you cut bait on a million bucks and
Speaker 2: move on go get somebody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, it it does make some sense. And if
Speaker 1: it's not this trade. It's going to be something. We
Speaker 1: know that Mike Casan and Jerry Depota they're going to
Speaker 1: make some sort of trade over the next month or
Speaker 1: so regardless, So we just all get to wait and
Speaker 1: see what that is. In terms of what's next for
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, they as you mentioned earlier, they are heading
Speaker 1: back home to face the San Francisco Giants, a team
Speaker 1: that they have had quite a bit of success against
Speaker 1: this season. We have the pitching probables here. It is
Speaker 1: going to be Eduardo Rodriguez and Tyler Mallley on Monday night.
Speaker 1: Brandon Fought is expected to make the start on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: going against landed group of the Giants, and then it's
Speaker 1: Zach Gallen and Trevor McDonald in the finale on Wednesday. So,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Jack, the schedule is pretty tough outside
Speaker 1: of this series with the Brewers and the Padres and
Speaker 1: the Dodgers coming up heading into the All Star break,
Speaker 1: so really important that the Diamondbacks capitalize on a team
Speaker 1: that they have dominated to this point in the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of quick health updates, by the way,
Speaker 2: Speaking of Michael Soroka, he is actually expected to begin
Speaker 2: throwing some bullpens by the end of this upcoming week,
Speaker 2: and also the James McCann had his ACL rehab games
Speaker 2: pushed to the end of this upcoming week. So to me,
Speaker 2: it kind of looks like James McCann is not going
Speaker 2: to be back before the All Star break. He could be,
Speaker 2: but maybe not. But the good names on Soroka is
Speaker 2: that and they mentioned this before that they felt like
Speaker 2: he would be able to start throwing enough to shorten
Speaker 2: up his.
Speaker 3: Ramp up time.
Speaker 2: If you remember we talked about the amount of weeks
Speaker 2: down from throwing is the amount of weeks you need
Speaker 2: to ramp back up. So I think he went on
Speaker 2: the injured list but in eighteen nineteen somewhere in there,
Speaker 2: forget the exact date. So if he's only down two
Speaker 2: weeks and it might only take him a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks to ramp up, so we could very well see
Speaker 2: Michael Siroka immediately after the All.
Speaker 4: Star break, and yeah, that would be huge.
Speaker 2: There will given plenty of time to at least get
Speaker 2: in a couple of starts approved to the world he's healthy,
Speaker 2: and then turn into the dbak's best sell chip if
Speaker 2: that's what they need to do.
Speaker 1: I else did started on June twentieth, so yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just a little over a week out from that. Pretty
Speaker 1: good news there that he's already expected to throw a
Speaker 1: bullpen pretty soon, so we'll do our best to keep
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