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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up the Morning, The Breakfast Club Morning,
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Speaker 3: Let it's going down Wallow. Listen, man, welcome to the
Speaker 3: Breakfast Club this morning, presented to you by million dollars
Speaker 3: worth a game. Listen, Man, we didn't bought the company.
Speaker 2: Man is good.
Speaker 3: It's going down. Man, We're doing it big now. Man,
Speaker 3: got my brother right here. I'm so proud of you. Listen, Man, listen,
Speaker 3: I want to give you before I even start. I
Speaker 3: gotta give you your flowers because you be man. You
Speaker 3: me and you had several phone calls. We had a
Speaker 3: thousand phone calls. A couple of years ago. You hit
Speaker 3: me up. He was like, Wowow, you need a book.
Speaker 3: This is years ago, and you was talking about how
Speaker 3: you and keV was talking about you, and Kevin Hart
Speaker 3: was talking about the man Wallow would be crazy on
Speaker 3: the audio book, which I did. On audio book, Shout
Speaker 3: out to you know, shout out the Yana Van's ant
Speaker 3: also who did the audio. She did the forward for me.
Speaker 3: Shout out to thirteen name my publisher man for you know, yes,
Speaker 3: for making it happen Simon and Schuster. But we're here now.
Speaker 3: You told me you keep telling me about the book
Speaker 3: of your book. The book changed your life's right and
Speaker 3: the book, the book, that's all you kept saying. And
Speaker 3: now we're here, man, all with good attentions, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's game changed.
Speaker 4: The book title is perfect for you because there's not
Speaker 4: too many people on this planet who come with good
Speaker 4: intentions like Wilow does appreciate that.
Speaker 2: When did you develop that mentality?
Speaker 3: I don't know, man. I was on the street corners.
Speaker 3: I was, I was. I had good intentions on the
Speaker 3: street corners. I just, I just, I just wanted to
Speaker 3: steal American dream. And I said, man, this shit is
Speaker 3: too slow. And I never seen nobody in my neighborhood.
Speaker 3: The only people that got respected my neighborhood was successful criminals.
Speaker 3: So even though I was a good person growing up,
Speaker 3: my grandma raised me, well my mom, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I was like, I gotta figure this out. So I said,
Speaker 3: I got to I got man. The only people they
Speaker 3: respect out is the people that's winning by any means.
Speaker 3: And then even in America, I was like, damn, hold up, America.
Speaker 3: They only respect the scarface, they only respect the Godfather.
Speaker 3: They don't respect nobody else. I gotta go get some money.
Speaker 3: So I just figured out, you know, even though my
Speaker 3: heart was good, I had to go figure it out.
Speaker 3: And that led me to prison most of my life.
Speaker 3: And and but you know, even in there thirteen years,
Speaker 3: right twenty or twenty, I did twenty penitentiary five years
Speaker 3: and then out the juvenile system. And even in that,
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, over here, said all I did
Speaker 3: was laughing jail and just do what I needed to do,
Speaker 3: educate myself because I realized that, and to the point
Speaker 3: where somebody said I was one of the nicest dude
Speaker 3: in prison because I knew why I was there. I
Speaker 3: did mine so I was accountable for my bullshit, so
Speaker 3: you know, and that helped me change and develop into
Speaker 3: what I become today. And you know, I'm just happy
Speaker 3: to be here and I and I try my best
Speaker 3: to share all the knowledge that I got, as you know,
Speaker 3: with our people, to show us. Listen, we're bigger than
Speaker 3: what y'all think we are. Because I always say this,
Speaker 3: and it's crazy to me. It's like, you know, back
Speaker 3: in the day, we didn't have nothing, but we had
Speaker 3: everything because we had each other and that was important.
Speaker 3: And it's like it seemed like now, we find so
Speaker 3: many raids, so many reasons not to deal with each other,
Speaker 3: and it's like, God, damn, who you working for? You
Speaker 3: go on social media, it's like who you're working for?
Speaker 3: But I had to realize something. A lot of us
Speaker 3: don't want to look in that mirror and deal with it.
Speaker 3: I don't hate envy because if his money, his cars,
Speaker 3: his family's marriage. I hate envy because envy getting love
Speaker 3: for doing something that I always wanted to do, but
Speaker 3: I ain't have enough heart to go out here and
Speaker 3: do it. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm just
Speaker 3: talking about the general. Yeah he do got that Beijing,
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like, shut up to Beijing, give medals.
Speaker 3: But but like this and therapist, damn, okay, you better
Speaker 3: be paying you the way you.
Speaker 2: Promo.
Speaker 3: But but what I'm saying is like that's how culture became.
Speaker 3: It became like this in social media made it like
Speaker 3: a lot of people got to look in the mirror
Speaker 3: and say, damn, I didn't materialize my dreams. And that's
Speaker 3: the hardest thing to do, is you know. So it's
Speaker 3: more easy to say Charlemagne the sucker, envy this lord,
Speaker 3: this just this it's much more easy to say it
Speaker 3: than to say, let me get off my ass and
Speaker 3: go ahead and do something with my life. So but
Speaker 3: it's just it's just sad out here when you see
Speaker 3: it now, and it's like we just I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: And all we ever had was each other. That's the
Speaker 3: only way we ever made it in life.
Speaker 2: You said in the book, you said, it's actually in
Speaker 2: the chapter Arm of Good Intentions.
Speaker 4: You said you screamed out one day and you made
Speaker 4: it a daily reminded that nobody will save.
Speaker 3: You, nobody. Especially when I was in prison, I'm like,
Speaker 3: we complain in the we doing. I'm like, yo, bro,
Speaker 3: we inside these white folks, spot ain't nobody coming? Like
Speaker 3: if this shit go off anything, we're gonna be locked
Speaker 3: in these selves. Ain't nobody coming. But that's the same
Speaker 3: thing in the ghetto. Ain't nobody never come? And save nobody?
Speaker 3: Who saves him?
Speaker 2: What was the change for you? What was because you
Speaker 2: said you were in and out?
Speaker 1: What was the change? You said, I gotta get this
Speaker 1: right and I gotta change myself.
Speaker 3: Like to be realistic, man, I got tired tired of
Speaker 3: being in jail with a bunch of with a bunch
Speaker 3: of niggas. You see what I'm saying. I wanted to
Speaker 3: take a butt nigga shower, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do that. I wanted to sleep neked in
Speaker 3: the bed. I couldn't do that because I'm in the
Speaker 3: second to sell you. I don't know if he might
Speaker 3: wake up in the middle of night be like, yo, man,
Speaker 3: let me I need to parts of that, like what
Speaker 3: we're doing straight up, wake up in the middle of
Speaker 3: night and be like, hey, my man, let's let's figure
Speaker 3: something out, you know what I mean. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just being real because listen, you know what's crazy.
Speaker 3: I think one of the reasons I bade it through
Speaker 3: jail so smoothly because I was always a comedian on
Speaker 3: the low, you know what I'm saying. I was always funny.
Speaker 3: They was like, hey, I mean I was because I
Speaker 3: was in there scared to death. You know how dudes
Speaker 3: come on from jail. I'll be trying to wonder that
Speaker 3: I did all this time in jail. I'll be like,
Speaker 3: what program was you on that you wasn't scared in jail,
Speaker 3: that you was just so tough because I was scared
Speaker 3: to death. Soon they listen. As soon as that judge
Speaker 3: gave me them numbers and they you know, you had
Speaker 3: your shoe, had your thing together. It ain't about nothing. Mean,
Speaker 3: sh ain't about nothing. I looked at her. You all right,
Speaker 3: say my little words back before you see them. It's
Speaker 3: back and forth. Word player I had with the judge
Speaker 3: is that he be back on, walked in the joint.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Now you gotta do the
Speaker 3: walk back in because now you're going back into the
Speaker 3: cages where everybody looking at you when you come down.
Speaker 3: What they give you what it shit ain't about nothing, man.
Speaker 3: They gave me a little twenties man. That shit ain't nothing.
Speaker 3: A little listen, that's the that's the cat. That's the cat.
Speaker 3: By the time I get to my my cell later
Speaker 3: on that I threw that tie up, crying like a
Speaker 3: baby man for a new born. And then and then
Speaker 3: once you the shackles hit you box like an animal,
Speaker 3: the shackles going from your arm to your feet. You
Speaker 3: get upstate, you hit that penitentiary yard, and you like, well,
Speaker 3: my mom, man, oh ship, I ain't know it was
Speaker 3: like this. I'm seeing people with knights longer than the
Speaker 3: giraffe trunk.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Ship, I old you I was.
Speaker 3: I was. I went to the penitential when I was seventeen,
Speaker 3: but I hit the big prison yard when I turned eighteen.
Speaker 3: I was in Dallas Penitentiary in Pennsylvania. And uh, that
Speaker 3: was like that was a different type of Joe.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing people get married in the yard and all
Speaker 3: that shit. I'm like, I ain't trying to be nobody's wife.
Speaker 3: I ain't sign up for this ship, so I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm looking like married in the yard. People was getting
Speaker 3: married in the yard. I said, damn, man, real weddings.
Speaker 3: Though it was real weddings, like it wasn't th like
Speaker 3: if you got the Bible when you got somebody that's official,
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 5: Were just in the yard.
Speaker 3: I was walking the yard. I was. I was in
Speaker 3: the backub because I was walking in the yard. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 3: i ain't trying to get married in the yard, man, Damn,
Speaker 3: like want some real shit. And then I'm seeing people
Speaker 3: getting stabbed in on I'm like, yo, I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to So I would go to my cell and be like, Yo,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on. I ain't signed up
Speaker 3: for this because nobody tell you this, because only stories
Speaker 3: that we hear back in the hood about jail is
Speaker 3: that you come home and you get rewarded and you
Speaker 3: get acknowledged and you tough and all this other shit.
Speaker 3: You get muscles. But I'm like, I'm like, damn, ain't
Speaker 3: nobody talking about the scary part. So I had to
Speaker 3: be the one to tell the scary part, to tell
Speaker 3: a real part, because I was scared. Especially listen when
Speaker 3: I first listened, no bullshit, I get up to the
Speaker 3: big penitentiary. This was this was the one. I get
Speaker 3: up to the big penitition. It is why I get
Speaker 3: always fuck with me about it because I tell you
Speaker 3: stories I get up to that, stories from the cell.
Speaker 3: So I get up to the penitentiary. It's shower time.
Speaker 3: I go down there. I got my boxes on and
Speaker 3: all that. So I'm like, damn, we go down there,
Speaker 3: and this is my first time in a real cause.
Speaker 3: It's like it was like I started. I went to
Speaker 3: the penitentiary when a young When a lot of younger
Speaker 3: dudes started to go like you was getting certified as
Speaker 3: an adult. They created a new law so a lot
Speaker 3: only time it was no young boys in the one penitential.
Speaker 3: I went two dollars penitentials, mostly old heads, and they
Speaker 3: had the most lifers in the state of Pennsylvania at
Speaker 3: this time. So you could be in a cell with anybody.
Speaker 3: You could do one year of being a cell with
Speaker 3: a lifer. It don't matter. So I go, I go
Speaker 3: to go to the shower. So I got my towel on,
Speaker 3: my boxes on, and when I went to the shower, right,
Speaker 3: I go down there steamed up in everything. The shower
Speaker 3: is probably like it's probably like in that joint, probably
Speaker 3: maybe fifteen shower heads and a block got a hundred
Speaker 3: and something dudes on there. So when I go in
Speaker 3: the shower room, it was like a movie. Like everybody
Speaker 3: looked at me, like, while you got the boxes on,
Speaker 3: anybody else told me it was a I'm talking about
Speaker 3: it was a sword showing that joint.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm just like no, it's like that's not normal,
Speaker 3: like you and I'm like, you know what. That day
Speaker 3: I realized that a shower wasn't important than the bird bath.
Speaker 3: I said, I could go back to myself and just
Speaker 3: wash up there. Why would I need? Why I do
Speaker 3: a shower really mean that you ain't taking shower the
Speaker 3: whole way.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I took it for out till I just you know,
Speaker 3: went down there, and because because I had that, I
Speaker 3: was like, damn, man, like why everybody gotta be naked
Speaker 3: in this joint?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: And then they looking at you, and then they talking
Speaker 3: like like they'd be asked. They talking, Yeah, you see
Speaker 3: the game? Oh man, what's the name? Went off him Smith.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, we ain't supposed like y'all supposed to.
Speaker 2: Be doing this.
Speaker 5: I don't know when did you get like like like
Speaker 5: comfortable with it, like your first necade shower?
Speaker 2: Were you?
Speaker 3: I never got the next show? Yeah, but I got
Speaker 3: one when I got to the jail where you get
Speaker 3: your own booth. I wasn't trying to be a party
Speaker 3: because it's like it's like a volunteer, like you volunteering something.
Speaker 2: How long it took to do that?
Speaker 3: Oh years, two years? But different jail, different part of
Speaker 3: the jail got different sections where you get a single shower.
Speaker 3: So in that jail was joints, we got the single
Speaker 3: shower locked in. But it was like, man, I always
Speaker 3: feel it like that was the volunteer services, like you
Speaker 3: was you was you was giving imitations to something, so
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Was the was the coke kine story real like that
Speaker 1: Bootsy be talking about sometimes. But I was a different
Speaker 1: prison though, But I think it might be the same
Speaker 1: prison one say when you see a coke cane.
Speaker 2: In the shop.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's different. Different, different things go on in
Speaker 3: different prisons. I can't speak to that because I wasn't
Speaker 3: in the geographical location to him. But it's different stuff
Speaker 3: fast state, different states. But it's like, I just knew
Speaker 3: that they signaled side of me in your in the
Speaker 3: prison was what you mean signal? It was people was
Speaker 3: making love to slow music. Man, it wasn't no like
Speaker 3: you knew what time it was. Dudes had the red light.
Speaker 3: Listen bro dudes, haid dudes, shoo to take dudes, No, no, no, listen, dudes,
Speaker 3: you to take paint and paint they like red to
Speaker 3: be red lights red like span.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: They got the music playing. You like, don't look at
Speaker 3: that sound because you wanted to look at nobody's sound.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, I you know you can't look
Speaker 3: at nobody.
Speaker 2: Sell But that's the signal. Though. The signal was the
Speaker 2: red No It could be anything.
Speaker 3: Man. You could walk in the bathroom in the yard,
Speaker 3: somebody be tongue kissing and you know, romantic.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of stuff. Jesus Christ. I just
Speaker 3: knew that. I just wanted to make it out innocent,
Speaker 3: removed from me, that's all. But it was wild, man.
Speaker 3: But I knew it was certainly, is why I knew.
Speaker 3: I said, oh, man, I can't, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't go back to this hit. Dude put something
Speaker 3: on my bed one time.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't even No, no, this what happened. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: this what happened. So what happened is my laundry came
Speaker 3: back folded, and I'm like, damn, man, this is these
Speaker 3: people man fold your laundry and everything. Man, I'm happy
Speaker 3: as ship laundry. There was a couple of snacks left.
Speaker 3: I'm like, So, I'm like, damn, this is what's up.
Speaker 3: So O G from down the way. He peeped, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I asked him.
Speaker 3: I said, damn, man, they dad? He said, what they did?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: So he went and checked the older dude that did it.
Speaker 3: The older dude was trying to go on the date.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know it was. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: What did he leave though?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, he didn't leave.
Speaker 1: No, no, he know.
Speaker 3: He left some nice uh. He had a box of
Speaker 3: nutty bars. It was some suits and chips and it
Speaker 3: was a nice It wasn't listen when they told me
Speaker 3: i'd have had it was a nice bread, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you gave it back to him, got to give
Speaker 2: it back to him.
Speaker 3: I had to give it back to him if you
Speaker 3: accept it.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: No, But it wasn't just that he folded my laundry.
Speaker 3: He worked in the laundry, made my drawers and all
Speaker 3: it was folded. So I'm thinking, like, damn, this is
Speaker 3: the pro this, this is the protocol of what they Damn.
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, they got some good service here, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But once I realized that he
Speaker 3: was looking for a date, I didn't I said, oh, ship,
Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying. Lucky that I had the
Speaker 3: old head did because I don't know what the happened. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was crazy. It was crazy, man.
Speaker 2: That's why y'all got to read this book.
Speaker 3: It was deep, man.
Speaker 4: You dedicated the book The Low Steve, Aunt Ruby, Grandma
Speaker 4: or Uncle James, Uncle Tommy and hip Hop.
Speaker 3: How did you know hip Yeah, that's my step Hop.
Speaker 2: How did each of those people contribute to your journey?
Speaker 3: Mim Ruby? First of all, my grandma and this is
Speaker 3: my grandma and Nanny. She's she'd be ninety September thirtieth.
Speaker 3: He's extraordinary Ruby and her used to always gang war
Speaker 3: min Ruby. You know, she was the only person I've
Speaker 3: seen straight my grandma out, and don't nobody straight Nanny out.
Speaker 3: And they used to be going and this this was
Speaker 3: her younger sister, oh Man, and I used to call
Speaker 3: home from jail. The stories that an Ruby used to
Speaker 3: tell me was unbelievable. But Iron Ruby was. She just
Speaker 3: was different. And she loved me, love us, love us
Speaker 3: on me. She wound up passing, and she passed my
Speaker 3: grandma house the middle room that I wound up making
Speaker 3: parole to. That was one of the reasons I was
Speaker 3: able to make parole because you know whatever, But God
Speaker 3: bless her. My Grandma Aura, she passed when I was
Speaker 3: in prison. She was amazing, always real, tell you just
Speaker 3: like it is. She was from the streets. Uncle Tommy
Speaker 3: passed since I've been home. Was my big brother. He
Speaker 3: passed my grandma arms in the crib, he got shot,
Speaker 3: ran down the street, died in grandma arms. She opened
Speaker 3: the door he aspired. That was my guy. But everybody,
Speaker 3: them people is personal, you see what I'm saying. And uh,
Speaker 3: they were special in my life in different ways. They
Speaker 3: helped me in so many different ways. And it's things
Speaker 3: that I carry today that I got from them doing
Speaker 3: my journey through, you know, doing especially when they was here.
Speaker 3: And I always want to remember them people because I
Speaker 3: feel as though a lot of people get forgotten that
Speaker 3: give us so much just because they're not there. And
Speaker 3: I always feel like you really live when you outlive
Speaker 3: how much you lived. And I'm saying that you really
Speaker 3: live when you outlive how much you live. It's people
Speaker 3: from our culture that outlive how much they live. You've ratheriged, Bossy.
Speaker 3: I't rabge certain people they lived longer after life than
Speaker 3: they did their life as But we don't do that
Speaker 3: with our family members and the people that we love
Speaker 3: and the people that we know personally. We keep other
Speaker 3: people alive based off celebrity, but we won't keep the
Speaker 3: people alive that was personally personal to us. They get
Speaker 3: buried and the thank yous and all that shit somewhere
Speaker 3: and sometimes forgotten. So I always try to remember my
Speaker 3: people that died, they gave so much to me.
Speaker 2: Would believe you right now, like if he saw the
Speaker 2: position you was in when.
Speaker 3: He believed no on everything. I love my brother be
Speaker 3: doing just what gilby doing. We call me know that
Speaker 3: as nigga look as you just another ass nigga ball because.
Speaker 2: That was him.
Speaker 3: He's a funny boy. He was all he wanted to
Speaker 3: do is laugh all day. I'm just thankful that I
Speaker 3: was able to the greatest thing that I ever did
Speaker 3: in life and the history of my life was forgiving
Speaker 3: my brother's killer. And the reason that was so important
Speaker 3: to me because the ghetto nothing superseded. Nothing is. The
Speaker 3: hierarchy is to get and the ghetto is revenge. But
Speaker 3: for me to say, you know what, I want to
Speaker 3: live for my brother, live for the kids, live for
Speaker 3: the family, and put it in my heart to forgive
Speaker 3: someone that took my brother out of there. Heard the
Speaker 3: devastated the family. But I said to myself, is we
Speaker 3: always ask for forgiveness. We ask God all the time forgiveness.
Speaker 3: But when do we forgive on a real level. And
Speaker 3: that was the greatest thing I ever did. And I
Speaker 3: always encourage young brothers to like, you know, because when
Speaker 3: you see our community, it's like everybody is moving based
Speaker 3: off of a lot of cats, is moving and continuing
Speaker 3: this crime, criminal mindset. And you know in the genocide
Speaker 3: based off award that they never even knew about, Like
Speaker 3: you don't even know why you beefing with somebody and
Speaker 3: we never have a conversation. It's like and even the
Speaker 3: level heads from different sides of the communities never could
Speaker 3: sit down and just be like, yo, this some bullshit.
Speaker 3: Be on some bullshit, like come on, y'all, we gotta
Speaker 3: like we shooting in the mirror out here as black
Speaker 3: people and ain't nobody. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: It bothered me because I see a lot of elders
Speaker 3: that's scared. They want to be young niggas, and it's like, no,
Speaker 3: you're not nothing death. I tell them all the I'm
Speaker 3: not no, no, I'm not. I'm an elder, but dog,
Speaker 3: I'm not no young boy. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 3: cool with you. I'm gonna tell you what you want
Speaker 3: to hear. And if you don't because I know most
Speaker 3: of your day, especially the artists, the athletes, they run
Speaker 3: around with a bunch of yes men. I ain't want
Speaker 3: of them enough. I don't care about it. I don't
Speaker 3: care who you is. I'm gonna tell you listen, man,
Speaker 3: that's some dumb shit. Man, you want some dumb shit enough,
Speaker 3: Me and Gil will be like, Yo, that's some dumb
Speaker 3: shit enough. And even if you just hear me for
Speaker 3: the moment, I did my job. A lot of times
Speaker 3: I fell short and doing my job. Well, I ain't
Speaker 3: gonna say I didn't do my job, but I felt
Speaker 3: short because it went on some deaf ears and we've
Speaker 3: seen what happened with that a lot of times.
Speaker 4: Man, look at all the different clips that you can
Speaker 4: look at a wallow online warning people about what was
Speaker 4: going to happen in their situation or what was gonna
Speaker 4: happen if they didn't change their ways, and they came true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just like I you know, I just be
Speaker 3: peeping it because I see it like you get to
Speaker 3: see it when you've been through it so long. But
Speaker 3: that's why I try to share my story so they
Speaker 3: could learn from my story and do live my story.
Speaker 3: But a lot of times. The money makes people blind
Speaker 3: and death. And when you get that paper, you think,
Speaker 3: but one thing, I know one thing, I know something
Speaker 3: If I don't know nothing about this shit. When you're
Speaker 3: black in America, you get all the money in the
Speaker 3: power you want. Man, man, but let me tell you something,
Speaker 3: Mighty whitey get to you. That's right, I'm just being real.
Speaker 3: Mighty is over that court room. They humble the shit
Speaker 3: out of you. They would get you in that court
Speaker 3: You see how they laid Tyrek down Tarreek gild laid
Speaker 3: him down, rubed him up, shut up. You see what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, I don't know what happened, but I'm
Speaker 3: like they ruffed him up real.
Speaker 2: Good and still had he still had to go out
Speaker 2: there and play.
Speaker 3: Pretty sure, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 3: it's always a point, whereas though it'd be like man,
Speaker 3: shut up, nigga, and you always got to be on
Speaker 3: point to know, you know, know how to move out here.
Speaker 3: And it's sad that we got to do that, but
Speaker 3: that's the reality of the environment that that that we
Speaker 3: come up in.
Speaker 1: What did you realize this is what you wanted to
Speaker 1: do when you came home and you said you took
Speaker 1: that drive and you went back to you had the
Speaker 1: McDonald's with the grandma house. When did you realize this
Speaker 1: is what you wanted to do and how you wanted
Speaker 1: to change for the next generation.
Speaker 3: I was in a shout out to the life of
Speaker 3: these life for brothers, this organization in WCP and all
Speaker 3: the brothers that was in the penitentiary with me, the elders.
Speaker 3: There's an organization called Real Street Talk. So I'm in
Speaker 3: there and they in one of the old OG's brother,
Speaker 3: Minister Rob, shout out to him. He come to me said, Wolla,
Speaker 3: we need you to come down here and talk. It
Speaker 3: was a bunch of brothers. Should or Sharifa was ike
Speaker 3: a big shann and it was a bunch of brothers
Speaker 3: that was getting together the talk to the inmates that
Speaker 3: was coming in two three hundred inmates a week that
Speaker 3: was coming in to talk to them about listen while
Speaker 3: you in jail, used this as your time to educate yourself.
Speaker 3: So you go back out there and make something happened
Speaker 3: with yourself. And it was called real street Talk. So
Speaker 3: I was one of the dudes that spoke in a
Speaker 3: way to whereas though they really understood what I was
Speaker 3: saying because I was like one of the youngest dude,
Speaker 3: even though the OG spokes too, and I've seen it.
Speaker 3: They listening. They was tapped into it. And it was
Speaker 3: a brother, uh brother, Rob Griffin. It was from the
Speaker 3: He used to do security for Malcolm Xican the Nation
Speaker 3: Islam back in the day, for the Duff. You used
Speaker 3: to be the you know, the head of security for
Speaker 3: the Nation Islam back in the day. And you know
Speaker 3: he held down Malcolm hamming all of it. And he
Speaker 3: came to my cell one day because I was in
Speaker 3: the selling like next to him and on a block
Speaker 3: greatest for it, and he was like brother, not too
Speaker 3: many brothers out here speaked, whereas though multiple generations could
Speaker 3: listen and understand it. And then that like you speak clear,
Speaker 3: keep doing that. So when I got out, just start
Speaker 3: grabbed it, grabbed that phone and just start popping it
Speaker 3: because nobody was doing it. And I knew that I
Speaker 3: had to do it in a unique way because I
Speaker 3: was battling on the timeline. I was battling for attention,
Speaker 3: you know when you go down the time I'm looking
Speaker 3: at this, I said, Okay, I got to battle the
Speaker 3: girl this ass naked. I gotta battle my man with
Speaker 3: a pound of jerry On. I got to battle the
Speaker 3: rap at the athlete, I said, I got him. That's
Speaker 3: why you've seen a lot of my videos. In the beginning.
Speaker 3: I'd be running across the highway eighteen whiller come laying
Speaker 3: on the ground, catch him on my head. They laughing.
Speaker 3: But I'm giving you the message as long as you listening,
Speaker 3: because what everybody was afraid to tell us, like, Yo,
Speaker 3: you can be great, you amazing, Like we build pyramids
Speaker 3: with no cranes. I don't know what I'm reading this
Speaker 3: shit in jail, Like, hold up, we did that?
Speaker 2: You mean to tell me?
Speaker 3: Hold up? You mean to tell me? Uh? We you
Speaker 3: know we came up out a slavery. This little lady
Speaker 3: got us about a slavery. Since they got us about
Speaker 3: a slavery and that ingenuity. Ho, what the fuck is
Speaker 3: going on? Frederick Douglass was who he did?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: Oh, we we got most of the patents most shit create.
Speaker 3: Oh what the I'm like, yo, we can do it,
Speaker 3: but you gotta I realized this, if you can make
Speaker 3: them laugh, you can make them listen. And I always
Speaker 3: was like, I always love comedy because I used to
Speaker 3: listen to Paul Moody, Richard, probably all of my uncle
Speaker 3: who played the records Red Fox, and I'll be laughing,
Speaker 3: but they'd be saying some deep shit and they lace
Speaker 3: it up. So I'm like, Okay, I just gotta give
Speaker 3: it to our people in a different way, you know,
Speaker 3: because I just couldn't get the whole Harriet Tubman thing
Speaker 3: just just had me just like, Yo, there's nothing you
Speaker 3: can't do that. Fuck them pyramids I'm talking about with
Speaker 3: no cranes. It's no how would this done? We did that,
Speaker 3: these adventures, we did this, we created what so it'd
Speaker 3: be like what Black Wall Street did. So I just
Speaker 3: be looking like, no, it's just a different way, in
Speaker 3: a different language you're doing it. And one thing that
Speaker 3: I'm always doing, You'll never hear me say nothing. You
Speaker 3: ain't never hear me talk down to hate any of
Speaker 3: our people, you know why never? All of our people
Speaker 3: got a different they got it. They might have a
Speaker 3: different message. And no matter what you're doing business that
Speaker 3: I don't care what you're doing. We don't have to
Speaker 3: be doing the same thing. And just because we ain't
Speaker 3: doing the same thing, even if we might be doing
Speaker 3: something the similar. We ain't got to be mad at
Speaker 3: each other. I ain't got to hate you, ain't gotta
Speaker 3: hate me, because at the end of the day, is
Speaker 3: this shit really about the uplook men of our people?
Speaker 3: If it is, how can I go online and say
Speaker 3: anything bad about our people? If I really care about
Speaker 3: our people, I can't tear you down to lift them up.
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna mathematically, it don't work. So what I
Speaker 3: do is no matter if you say something about me,
Speaker 3: say somebody, because whatever, I'm never gonna say nothing about
Speaker 3: nobody because that's not gonna add value to the whole
Speaker 3: plan of us.
Speaker 4: That's Wallow really like this, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 4: Even off camera he's like that, and I'd be like,
Speaker 4: fuck these niggas.
Speaker 5: I was actually do you and Gil so like this
Speaker 5: is like a daily thing for you, like on and
Speaker 5: off camera, like you said, but like when situations come about,
Speaker 5: like when people make you upset, when things don't go
Speaker 5: your way, like how do you what's your mental lock
Speaker 5: in that you stay grounded where you are right now?
Speaker 2: Like what's that? My thing?
Speaker 3: Is this Some of the times when people have said
Speaker 3: things or I wasn't like I even look at it,
Speaker 3: And I look at it now from a critique bone
Speaker 3: and be like, yo, is that person right? I'm I tripping.
Speaker 3: I'm not a person that's like, I'm logic to the
Speaker 3: point whereas though there's a possibility, whereas though I might
Speaker 3: do some dumb shit or some of that shit. So
Speaker 3: I will even look at it because it's like, listen,
Speaker 3: after me dealing with the white folks in that mountains,
Speaker 3: and I'm coming in my cell at any times. It's
Speaker 3: because I'm beefing with the guard for a week and
Speaker 3: he's coming to myself every day for a week telling
Speaker 3: me to get ass whole neckcka and spread and cough.
Speaker 3: None of this shit mean nothing to me. You think
Speaker 3: this shit means that I did seventy three hundred days
Speaker 3: in jail. You think I get So it's not that deep.
Speaker 3: But I'm also would look at things and say, damn,
Speaker 3: do they got to do? They got a point there?
Speaker 3: Because sometimes they might have a point. And just because
Speaker 3: you're not rocking with me, that don't mean you hating
Speaker 3: on me. I might not just be your cup of tea,
Speaker 3: and you might don't.
Speaker 2: Know how to.
Speaker 3: Reach out or whatever. You might just so It's like
Speaker 3: I'm big on that. Everybody's not hating on you because
Speaker 3: they don't like what you got going on. And sometimes
Speaker 3: I understand you might rub people the wrong way because
Speaker 3: you might remind them that they didn't go after their dreams.
Speaker 3: So it's levels to this ship. But you know what
Speaker 3: I need y'all to do is I need y'all to
Speaker 3: all try that drink at once. This is my drink.
Speaker 3: Drink pure, pure, take it.
Speaker 2: I got to ask you a question. You said, when
Speaker 2: the officers came in your cell, right, the white boys,
Speaker 2: and they told you to get.
Speaker 3: Time out to drink. I like it.
Speaker 2: Let me see drinking that watermelon blast. Tell me that's good.
Speaker 3: Think that's all I needed. I'm gon sing on something.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, get back to the And.
Speaker 4: You said the officers used to come in to yourself.
Speaker 4: Make you get that the spread you ass? You did
Speaker 4: you fuss with them a little bit?
Speaker 3: Are you just?
Speaker 2: Is that all you heard? Got nugget? Yeah, that's all here?
Speaker 3: No, you know what's crazy? Like I got?
Speaker 2: So it was so like me. I was so institutionalized.
Speaker 3: As soon as I know, as soon as I see
Speaker 3: him cracking the door, I'm already ass naked like, I'm
Speaker 3: just like, what's up? What we're doing today? Baby? Who
Speaker 3: were doing? Because I knew that. I knew that they
Speaker 3: want to see they want to see some black heat
Speaker 3: for real. They was trying to miss they was they
Speaker 3: was trying to message. They were trying to see some
Speaker 3: black heat. I knew what was talking. I said, all right,
Speaker 3: fuck it, then let's get it.
Speaker 2: Come on, let's do it in the kitchen. You turned up,
Speaker 2: let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Let's go we at it again, y'all
Speaker 3: back hut, I know what y'all want.
Speaker 2: Shut out.
Speaker 3: People's turn around all that shit, hit the wall and
Speaker 3: put my hands on the wall, lift my feet, twinkle
Speaker 3: my toes and all that shit been down, spread them.
Speaker 3: And then after I spread and grab my sack, I
Speaker 3: gotta go on my mouth and all this dumb shit
Speaker 3: like yeah, y'all some kinky bulls man. Yeah whatever, people
Speaker 3: keep being smart ass.
Speaker 2: I'm freaking are you're still interesting?
Speaker 5: Is there anything from like when you was locked up?
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes people come home and it's like like
Speaker 5: I got you can't hear certain sounds or like you know,
Speaker 5: like do you have any of that from all the
Speaker 5: time that you spend the jail, I.
Speaker 3: Got all type of shit. I just I can't keep
Speaker 3: up with it. There's so much. You can't keep up
Speaker 3: with all that shit's so much you just you just
Speaker 3: live because you know what's crazy Being from the ghetto.
Speaker 3: We normalize jail so much to whereas though you know
Speaker 3: the side effects of that shit I had, you like
Speaker 3: everybody got that shit. The family members got side effects
Speaker 3: from dealing with the jail experience. Is just going to
Speaker 3: see it, like you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 3: like it's just crazy, man. But when it comes to
Speaker 3: prison thing, what I think is so crazy is that.
Speaker 3: And I want to say this that the brothers out
Speaker 3: there right especially if you're in the streets right now,
Speaker 3: you you operating your gun, you just in the street game.
Speaker 3: I just want to say something, rather you know it
Speaker 3: or not. Black young black males in the street culture
Speaker 3: build more communities outside of our community than anybody in
Speaker 3: the history of life of America. Let me break this
Speaker 3: shit down. When we get locked up. I come from
Speaker 3: one nine, one three to two Philadelphia, the most people
Speaker 3: that ever they sent the most people to prison that
Speaker 3: that area cod in Pennsylvania. Now, when I get locked
Speaker 3: up up, and me and the homies get locked up.
Speaker 3: They build new prisons based on the population increase. When
Speaker 3: the population increased, they'll take it down. They'll go rent
Speaker 3: some farm area. They'll bring a lego prison, put it together.
Speaker 3: Boom boom boom boom boom. Once they bring that prison,
Speaker 3: they build the gas station, they build a walmark, They
Speaker 3: employ all these farmers. And this is me and the
Speaker 3: homies doing this. And then now you got all this stuff.
Speaker 3: They got this whole community that we built. But we
Speaker 3: never we never built the home community. We never got
Speaker 3: on Mama house. We never sent our kids to college,
Speaker 3: but we send the kids. Were sending kids to college.
Speaker 3: Every time you shoot a gun in the ghetto, you're
Speaker 3: sending somebody else kid to college. Every time you rob somebody,
Speaker 3: you're sending somebody you're buying somebody paying somebody else mortgage.
Speaker 3: Like we are the ultimate, the real street nigga is
Speaker 3: the ultimate job security in America. The real street niggas,
Speaker 3: I'm create more jobs than any other people, any other
Speaker 3: group in America. More police, probation officers, sheriffs. I'm telling
Speaker 3: all these every department correctional officers counts. Now, think about
Speaker 3: the jail. In the jail, you know how mean people.
Speaker 3: We probably over a thousand people we employ in the prison.
Speaker 3: And you got to think about it. Everybody from the
Speaker 3: the guard to the counselor people that work in the
Speaker 3: kitchen to the nurses, like we do this and it
Speaker 3: be families. It be nepotism on its highest level in there.
Speaker 3: I've been in prison and I didn't seen guards start
Speaker 3: as a rookie and them turning the war. And I've
Speaker 3: been in prison. So and this grandpa, uncle, son, cousin,
Speaker 3: and on the other side. If you look at this
Speaker 3: picture in the book, and I try to explain generational incarceration,
Speaker 3: this picture right here in the book of me right here,
Speaker 3: that's me in the back. This is my step pop
Speaker 3: Hit that died. That's my brother Steve. That's my little
Speaker 3: brother Juliu. So in this prison, Dallas Prison Penitentiary. This
Speaker 3: in the eighties, right, this is eighty seven. So in
Speaker 3: eighty seven we going to Dallas prison to visit him.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety eight, me and my Steppap was sell
Speaker 3: he's in that same prison. And in two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: me and my brothers were selling in that same prison. Generationalcarceration.
Speaker 3: And when we're looking on the other side, you'll go
Speaker 3: see the warden. Then his son is a sergeant, his
Speaker 3: cousin is a major. Like so we got families in prisons,
Speaker 3: but there on the winning side, were on the losing side.
Speaker 3: So when we talking about this whole thing, this whole
Speaker 3: I'm a real nigga, I understand what you're saying. But
Speaker 3: you're gonna be a real nigga, and you're gonna be
Speaker 3: in prison with your daughter graduating and growing up, and
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some other men in our life that's
Speaker 3: giving the game that's not beneficial to her, it's beneficial
Speaker 3: to them, and your daughter gonna get taken advantage of.
Speaker 3: So it's like when we looking at this whole thing
Speaker 3: that we think we putting it down. I got a
Speaker 3: bunch of brothers on the other side. They could tell
Speaker 3: you they wish they could they could relive this because
Speaker 3: they ain't never coming out of jail.
Speaker 2: You the generational cursebrig O Wallow.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm I'm so glad you put out a book, man,
Speaker 4: because I need to see you on every platform having
Speaker 4: these conversations.
Speaker 2: I want to see you on the view I want
Speaker 2: to see you.
Speaker 4: But you know what.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy though, and this is why I
Speaker 3: commend you like what I commend you is of this
Speaker 3: and this, This is why our Brothers Club is a
Speaker 3: major platform for our culture and will always be. You
Speaker 3: get it when it's not cool. You get it before
Speaker 3: it go popular, you get it before it goes shiny.
Speaker 3: You get it and understand that a lot of these
Speaker 3: people don't give a fuck about that. Even though you
Speaker 3: name platforms. They don't care about that. They just want
Speaker 3: some shiny shit.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: While low come out of prison one of the probably
Speaker 3: and I'm not I'm probably one of the greatest comebacks
Speaker 3: ever to come out of prison in life, but they
Speaker 3: not gonna get that to a New York Time bestseller
Speaker 3: hit at all that stuff. So they don't understand us.
Speaker 3: And we control cool, but a lot of times we
Speaker 3: don't own it. So they try to get a close
Speaker 3: proximity to our coolness, and we so much suck as
Speaker 3: we don't be understanding that. We don't even know why
Speaker 3: when we're being used out here. That's why it's a
Speaker 3: lot of shit that I see online. I'll be like, damn,
Speaker 3: we goofy as shit. Man. Can't nobody outside of us
Speaker 3: validate us but us. I'm never gonna let nobody tell
Speaker 3: me that you're not cool, that you not cool, that're
Speaker 3: outside our culture. And I'm never gonna let nobody given
Speaker 3: approval of what's cool and what's not outside of our
Speaker 3: culture of this blackness. I love being black. I'm a
Speaker 3: die blast, right. My family is black. So I look
Speaker 3: at us and I say, with some extraordinary people and
Speaker 3: it's not taking that note for many other group of people,
Speaker 3: but everybody else love themselves. So I'm gonna love me
Speaker 3: and you know, and I got some extraordinary people that's
Speaker 3: not black, this family that's been But at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, until we start loving us on all levels,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be left behind.
Speaker 1: What do you think about when when Michael Ruben was
Speaker 1: up here and said pretty much the same thing that
Speaker 1: you just said right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he just said.
Speaker 2: We heard He basically said, our community hurts ourselves. That's
Speaker 2: what you've been saying.
Speaker 3: Let me say this though. Let me say this though,
Speaker 3: everything is about the message it because I can't speak
Speaker 3: on behalf of you know, different races. I can't do
Speaker 3: that because they I'm like, who the fuck is you?
Speaker 3: So that's normal. But one thing that I can say
Speaker 3: is that I've seen our everybody is speculating everybody's around.
Speaker 3: On that day that Meek was in that courtroom, I
Speaker 3: was in that courtroom to come to speak for me.
Speaker 3: Michael Rubin was in that courtroom. And when we took
Speaker 3: that break after the the you know, the judge was
Speaker 3: roughing me up I'm talking about. She was like, she
Speaker 3: was roughing me up. We went outside to the hallway
Speaker 3: and Mike looked at us and said, what's going on
Speaker 3: in here? Like this guy was really shocked. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is being black in America. He was like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck I'm talking about? He was personally pissed because
Speaker 3: he didn't understand them to be going because a lot
Speaker 3: of people just don't know.
Speaker 2: He said, he didn't realize there was two Americas until like.
Speaker 3: He listen that day. He looked at and then he
Speaker 3: attempted to walk back in the courtroom after we had
Speaker 3: the conversation, and she slapped him around, and he like,
Speaker 3: what the I can't like cause he stood up and
Speaker 3: spoke and stood up, and she was like all right,
Speaker 3: writing in the paper, like he.
Speaker 2: Went and done something.
Speaker 3: I respect Mike for that. I don't care what no
Speaker 3: like Mike went and done something. You know, people gonna
Speaker 3: have their opinions on people, but I'm talking about when
Speaker 3: I see a good person, I see a good person,
Speaker 3: I salute a good person.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: I ain't with all that other shit, because I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you something. Man, to be real with you, I
Speaker 3: got a lot of people that's not black that help
Speaker 3: the shit out of me because they really people that
Speaker 3: really believe that. And I ain't talking about business. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about in life, people that people that love you
Speaker 3: love you. It's not it's not always gonna be a
Speaker 3: colored thing. And I know we fight so much to
Speaker 3: get us together, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: while you spend your time on this planet, you better
Speaker 3: love who love you, and you better figure out who
Speaker 3: loved you and who got your fucking back. Because I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you something. I don't know what anybody else
Speaker 3: doing out here, but I'm forty five and I'm saying
Speaker 3: to myself, hopefully I get another forty five out here
Speaker 3: because my grandma naety, so I'm measuring it by that.
Speaker 3: My uncle James rusting piece of him. He died he
Speaker 3: was ninety three or ninety four, But we gotta we
Speaker 3: got a nice length in our joint.
Speaker 2: Pause.
Speaker 3: Oh is that a pause camp? I gotta run that
Speaker 3: podcam because IM talking about the lift of years. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying but oh yeah, yeah, I gotta call it,
Speaker 3: you know, right. But what I'm saying is, well, you
Speaker 3: was a pause champion. He got the mord of the history.
Speaker 3: You in the Guinness. But I'm gonna say this. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say this though I'm looking at it like I'm
Speaker 3: forty five. Now there's a big chance twenty you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like fifty percent of my life or
Speaker 3: thirty whatever, I'm getting out of this joint one day
Speaker 3: I can't worry about. I'm gonna be going.
Speaker 2: I gotta go.
Speaker 3: I gotta go, and when I go, my whole thing.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to say I left that
Speaker 3: shit on the planet. That's why I live a life
Speaker 3: that I live. I do me. If I want to
Speaker 3: buy someone buy it. If I wanna go somewhere, I
Speaker 3: gonna go somewhere. I'm not living my life based off
Speaker 3: of some fear of shit, because guess what, you know,
Speaker 3: how many motherfuckers in the graveyard sitting there mad as shit, like,
Speaker 3: Damn I should have got disit, Damn I should have
Speaker 3: went here, Damn I should have done this. We don't
Speaker 3: do it enough. We don't live enough, we don't put
Speaker 3: more positive energy out enough. Because I'm saying to myself, Damn,
Speaker 3: I gotta I got a lot of shit to make
Speaker 3: up on because I know, you know, when I see y'ad,
Speaker 3: I don't want it to be like nigga, didn't I
Speaker 3: tell you, nigga, you know unders saying, because God get
Speaker 3: foky for people. You know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be the one to be like you had
Speaker 3: plenty of time, nigga, you know where you gotta go,
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. So it's like, at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, I just try to put the
Speaker 3: best energy possible out there to our people to let
Speaker 3: them know, listen, man, we ain't got time. We ain't
Speaker 3: gonna be if ever love each other, do what you
Speaker 3: gotta do and keep it moving, but one day you
Speaker 3: gotta get the fuck up out of here.
Speaker 2: What led the Iana Levon's not writing the forde for
Speaker 2: this book.
Speaker 3: The craziest thing in the world. So she hit me
Speaker 3: one day in the DM I almost passed out. And
Speaker 3: this is why acts of faith, what we call the
Speaker 3: Purple Book in jail. That was like a joint of
Speaker 3: anybody carry around in the bike pocket to be writing
Speaker 3: a little love notes out of to the girl and
Speaker 3: all like. It was a powerful everyday message and book.
Speaker 3: So I had the Purple Book most of my bit.
Speaker 3: So I'm like when she DM me, baby, I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the F. I'm like, this gotta because I'm the
Speaker 3: dude that's different than I'm not no dude to think
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a regular person in my world. So I
Speaker 3: don't think I'm this person. I'm starstruck when I see
Speaker 3: people that's important in my life. If I see certain
Speaker 3: rappers from Star Truck. Gil got mad at me because
Speaker 3: it was six in the morning and I seen Big
Speaker 3: Daddy came in the airport and I draw attention on him.
Speaker 3: He said, why are you doing it?
Speaker 2: Dumb?
Speaker 3: She cousin came it came. Didn't want to really be bobered.
Speaker 3: I know he didn't, but fuck that came. He was
Speaker 3: a legend. I got announced Chuck d I seen him
Speaker 3: at the joint. You know what's happening. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna telly some deep shit this how I knew
Speaker 3: I was a hip hop history and I was a
Speaker 3: major part of hip hop. I was at your corn
Speaker 3: party and he was giving him award City of Hope
Speaker 3: I think in l A and Chuck D looked over
Speaker 3: at me. He said, I said, I made it, Chuck D,
Speaker 3: you understand this. Chuck D looked at me and gave
Speaker 3: me to John Light and in my mind he told
Speaker 3: me fight the power like he knew it. But he
Speaker 3: didn't say that. Chuck didn't say that right. Chuck didn't
Speaker 3: say that right. Chuck didn't say that this is this
Speaker 3: is the thing that's crazy. Chuck didn't say that, but
Speaker 3: I felt as that And he didn't follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't not petty about that.
Speaker 2: You didn't get a chance to speak to him.
Speaker 3: No, we wapped it up, but I was I was.
Speaker 3: I was ready to pass out because it's Chuck D.
Speaker 3: So I couldn't get myself together. He was like going
Speaker 3: tell Michael Jackson concert. I was ready passed out, but
Speaker 3: I didn't want to so Chuck D. I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: this dude's legend. I'm beefing with DJ Premier because DJ
Speaker 3: Premier for him to be a LLEGI he followed Gilly
Speaker 3: and he wasn't following me. So I'm real petty about that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Gill don't know nothing about rapping. I do
Speaker 3: like the you know, gourgu was like ole to me.
Speaker 3: Usually so me and beefing, but like, I love it
Speaker 3: so much. But what I'm saying is that I'm not
Speaker 3: going to see no legend and don't it.
Speaker 2: Don't freak.
Speaker 3: I was crazy because Chuck D You was the soundtrack
Speaker 3: to the struggles that took place in America and Yo,
Speaker 3: and we didn't have no food, we had public enemy
Speaker 3: and that helped us do the course. So so when
Speaker 3: she hit me almost fast out, I'm laying down, I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, y'all a Vanzana. She just DM me.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, this is like your spiritual mother.
Speaker 3: So I hit her back. But so what happened is
Speaker 3: I asked her. I mean I had told Charles. I
Speaker 3: was like, yo, man, I said Charles man, he said,
Speaker 3: man asks her, Man, you need to forward asks. I said, bet,
Speaker 3: I'm an asker, and I hit her up.
Speaker 2: She broke.
Speaker 3: She let me come to the house, made me a
Speaker 3: meal and food was delicious. Come on, I didn't want
Speaker 3: to be greedy, right, you know what I mean? But
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I didn't want to ask for
Speaker 3: another plate. But it was great. It was like these strimps.
Speaker 3: It was just the sauce is right. It was just
Speaker 3: it was spectacular. And I wanted to make a doggie bag,
Speaker 3: but I didn't think that was appropriate. But whatever, but
Speaker 3: she bring me down to the house. I'm down there.
Speaker 3: She showed me so much us shout out the Zi
Speaker 3: kid too, her manager to do things, but like, and
Speaker 3: she showed me so much love man, and she and
Speaker 3: she read me. She read me the forward right there
Speaker 3: and there, and then I hit up and when I
Speaker 3: hit her up to do for the audio, she just
Speaker 3: done it that day.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And I'm talking about like and it was based off
Speaker 3: of love and how she seen me for us and
Speaker 3: it was everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: One thing I want you to talk about whore we leave,
Speaker 4: you said, you said the feeling of not being punished
Speaker 4: for doing something you knew was wrong was equivalent to
Speaker 4: your first orgasm. How long did it take for you
Speaker 4: to actually feel guilt?
Speaker 2: When you did something wrong.
Speaker 3: Man, it took me a while because you're young and
Speaker 3: you just don't know, so it takes you a while.
Speaker 3: And then then when it hit you just be like, damn,
Speaker 3: I did some crazy shit, you know. But it was
Speaker 3: a while. It was just a thirst. It was just
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I was just part of
Speaker 3: stealing an American dream. I was doing my thing because
Speaker 3: I wanted to be You gotta stand, I'm looking at
Speaker 3: these fucking movies, man, I'm looking at Rayleiola and motherfucking
Speaker 3: good Fellas, And you know the part where he burning
Speaker 3: the cars up, he throwing the joint. He said. By
Speaker 3: the time I was fourteen, I was making more money
Speaker 3: than the grown ups around my neighborhood. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: I wanted to be there. I wanted some money because
Speaker 3: we won't be I always tell people this, when that
Speaker 3: guy in the eighties pull up with that Benz and
Speaker 3: if you know what I'm talking, he got the bens
Speaker 3: in the eighties. He got that gold chain on, he
Speaker 3: got that Felix sweatsuit on with them Felix, he got
Speaker 3: them rings on them, nugget rains and all that shit.
Speaker 3: And he pulled up to the neighborhood. He's pulling up
Speaker 3: to our black communities to deal with the most beautifulest
Speaker 3: girl in our neighborhood. And when he pulled up to
Speaker 3: get her, as he opened in the car door and
Speaker 3: she getting in the car door, you know, speaking to him.
Speaker 3: Ms Johnson, Miss Brown, Miss Green, they hey, baby. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, you're seeing mister john come back
Speaker 3: from work. He's a plumber or dirty and everybody speaking
Speaker 3: to him. I'm sitting on the step watching all this
Speaker 3: shit take place. So I said, damn, I got to
Speaker 3: be a part of this shit. In the black community,
Speaker 3: the women dictate who the men want to grow up
Speaker 3: to be based off of who they date.
Speaker 2: That's real.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at it like shit, I'm only seeing
Speaker 3: these girls. They there dealers and dudes. They got nice cars.
Speaker 3: I gotta get me some nice cars to get me
Speaker 3: some ass. I gotta get some. I gotta hear some.
Speaker 3: I gotta get some fly. I gotta get fly. That's
Speaker 3: what it was about. And the way you saw to
Speaker 3: get fly people respect. They only respected the criminals in
Speaker 3: the game the funk America. Look listen, Len, listen, do
Speaker 3: you go ask any judges lawyers, prosecutors and all that.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite movies? Goyle overs, what's your favorite series?
Speaker 3: The Sopranos, Everything Gonna Be. They love the successful criminals.
Speaker 3: So I grew up to try to be that. But
Speaker 3: as I grew older, I took responsibility to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I want some dumb shit I did wrong. You never
Speaker 3: heard me say it was No. I wasn't in jail
Speaker 3: for some shit that magically did or because of the
Speaker 3: white man. I was in jail because I wanted to
Speaker 3: get busy, and I did what I did.
Speaker 5: To your point about women shaping everything, you talk a
Speaker 5: lot about black women and seeing no women and how
Speaker 5: you staff your team with women. Can you talk like
Speaker 5: why that's important and how that's helped you along your
Speaker 5: journey as you like?
Speaker 3: Bill shout out to my manager business part of desiree Ivy,
Speaker 3: shout out the Ammo Rill, shout out the shayam lost
Speaker 3: my attorney. These women. Let me say something to you
Speaker 3: about these women. They get shited done. That's right. They're
Speaker 3: not playing games at all. They know it's not they don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about know that getting
Speaker 3: them going crazy. They lose their mind about no, I'll
Speaker 3: be like, damn, what happened? Somebody told me? No to death?
Speaker 3: What what's going on? Don't worry about many your business.
Speaker 3: I get to the bottom, I'll tell you when I
Speaker 3: get it done. They move in different, they move different, man,
Speaker 3: they move different, and you know what, you know what's
Speaker 3: going on. I just want to say this, and a
Speaker 3: lot of these companies in America they be playing games
Speaker 3: and a lot of times people don't see them because
Speaker 3: they be in the shadows. But when it comes to
Speaker 3: our culture, black women run.
Speaker 2: That shit absolutely.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about from not just from the consumer side,
Speaker 3: not just from the the marketing side, but from the boardrooms.
Speaker 3: The sisters. I went to the ballroom of Rich Claiming
Speaker 3: Company with sisters running that shit. Sisters running shit everywhere. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna get something off you ain't
Speaker 3: got no sisters in that fold.
Speaker 2: Every single indity I got a black woman running.
Speaker 3: Shout out to all the shit Dollar Dolly's a monster,
Speaker 3: She's no joking, Nicole. Shout out to all the sisters
Speaker 3: out there that's doing it, going up against all the bullshit,
Speaker 3: all the racism in these companies. Y'all, y'all going to hr,
Speaker 3: hr is playing games with y'all. They trying to weed
Speaker 3: y'all out. Because as soon as his sister get up
Speaker 3: and she stand up for herself, oh she's being everybody
Speaker 3: play victims. Sooner the sisters speaking up for herself after
Speaker 3: they see all the dumb shit, these people being, these corporations,
Speaker 3: throwing all these rocks, doing all the stupid shit. As
Speaker 3: soon as his sisters say, I'm not going for that,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she's being aggressive. Oh my god, I'm scared.
Speaker 3: Locked the door, get that. That's cap Stop that victim shit.
Speaker 3: Because her sisters stepped up for usself. One thing about
Speaker 3: a black woman, I don't care who. She's not dealing with,
Speaker 3: no bullshit, A sister of color, Latino black, They not
Speaker 3: dealing them with that ship. That's right. Why do you
Speaker 3: think we scared of?
Speaker 2: That's right? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's not that damn shit.
Speaker 2: It's's Luthor Rocky too.
Speaker 3: First of all, First of all, let me get shot
Speaker 3: out the Rockel.
Speaker 2: Boy ass boy.
Speaker 3: I just see flights were you go, Rocky, I'm going to.
Speaker 2: See wild weather. Shout Rocky. Listen.
Speaker 3: But Roquela professional named Raquel Diazeus for Uh, you know
Speaker 3: us getting this done. Great writer did a thing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Shout out to everybody, man, my my, oh yeah. Shout
Speaker 3: out to Johnathan Minion for the cover. Shout out to
Speaker 3: Simon and Shoots at thirteen Charles Shoes for making it happen. Yeah. No,
Speaker 3: Johonnath Demelia did all the legend ay hip hop. John
Speaker 3: he did all the leegend did jay Z, she did anything.
Speaker 3: But I just want to shout out to everybody out
Speaker 3: there that's doing anything. And I need to say this
Speaker 3: to you. I don't care if you gotta what I stand.
Speaker 3: You got a t shirt company, you gotta put the
Speaker 3: tape out music, you're doing art. You won yes away
Speaker 3: from the world changing. Stop looking on Instagram and thinking
Speaker 3: everybody's beating you and you running late and you ain't enough.
Speaker 3: And I want to say something to the sisters out there,
Speaker 3: you are enough. They'll never let nobody finess. You don't
Speaker 3: tell you that you got to be this and you
Speaker 3: gotta have this, you gotta wear this, You gotta go head,
Speaker 3: you gotta take live your fucking life. Do you in
Speaker 3: every way possible and tell them young brother this out there,
Speaker 3: y'all kings y'all ain't slaves. So what y'all gotta do
Speaker 3: is y'all got to understand, y'all the most fearless group
Speaker 3: of young men ever on the history of life. This
Speaker 3: generation right now, this generation of young black men out here,
Speaker 3: is the most fearless Black men ever. Y'all do not
Speaker 3: give off. Just imagine if y'all switch that up. Imagine
Speaker 3: what you could do when you go when you say,
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't want to be a drug
Speaker 3: deal I want to be a business man. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be a killer. I want to be a healer.
Speaker 3: I want to be a giver. I'm saying they could change.
Speaker 3: And to my young brothers in the community, rap community,
Speaker 3: stay away from them drugs, man. And it's coming from
Speaker 3: a man that never did a drug a day in
Speaker 3: his life. I never did it because I had to
Speaker 3: watch my homies. I had to make sure they get
Speaker 3: home at night. And my homies smoked, you know, they
Speaker 3: didn't smoke PCP did all that type of shit, you know,
Speaker 3: to snort. The little coach, you know, did a little
Speaker 3: bit of little but I always watched it, and I said,
Speaker 3: that ain't for me. And I don't know who told
Speaker 3: you this. If you feel as though you're going through somebody,
Speaker 3: find somebody to talk to, get a therapist, get a therapist.
Speaker 3: Stop trying to self medicate yourself because you don't know
Speaker 3: what you're doing. And I'm gonna tell you something, brothers,
Speaker 3: when you hit the town, you young brothers, and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be real with you, everybody is trying their way
Speaker 3: to get some drugs to you, and you don't know
Speaker 3: if anybody drugs is drugs. I'm just being straight up.
Speaker 3: I don't know you know what I mean. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: you got all these people making fake this, fake this.
Speaker 3: You don't know what you're taking. And when you get
Speaker 3: that money, young brothers, stay out of don't stay off
Speaker 3: them handcuffs. Man. Please please, man, no disrespect your blessing
Speaker 3: because God ain't gonna keep blessing you. Man. You think God, listen,
Speaker 3: God gotta work with billions of people. You think God
Speaker 3: will just keep coming around blessing you. That's right. God
Speaker 3: ain't gonna keep blessing you. Take advantage of these blessings.
Speaker 3: Keep doing your thing, and just know anytime you see
Speaker 3: donks stop me, I'm gonna say something to you. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you what's going on. And a lot of
Speaker 3: y'all know. I'll reach out. I DM y'all. I talk
Speaker 3: to y'all regularly. Man. Just know that you kings, know
Speaker 3: that you queens, and know that the world is waiting
Speaker 3: for all of us, and we're gonna make it. We're
Speaker 3: gonna make it.
Speaker 4: We gonna, you know, listen, with good Intentions is out now. Man,
Speaker 4: everybody go pick this book up from Wallow.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: We gotta make this in New York Times best seller.
Speaker 2: When today we go.
Speaker 4: Tonight, we're gonna be at Uncle Bobby's in Philadelphia, me
Speaker 4: and my man Wallow having more conversations.
Speaker 2: Bobby's, Yes about this book. Armed with good intentions.
Speaker 3: Make sure we get you stopped, my man spy, make
Speaker 3: sure to give you them cheese steaks. You like them,
Speaker 3: taste cheese steaks. I had some joints up there without
Speaker 3: there like he was he was home, he too, the
Speaker 3: way you had them damn.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, yes, yes, hey, slut.
Speaker 3: The taste cheese's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I like that type of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, and uh, find your way to
Speaker 3: support local businesses.
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