1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: You ever heard anybody say I do that job for free. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: It's one more thing. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: I'm one more thing. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 3: I've said that about a lot of things. 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I like to say, when it turns 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: out somebody's making you know, fifty million dollars, I'll do that. 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 3: For half that. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: It's my favorite. Ah. Before we get into that, were 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: you ever a Doctor Demento fan radio personnel? 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: I'm familiar with him. 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: He would feature wacky songs and song parodies and stuff 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: like that. He has finally called it quits after fifty 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: five years. 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: I didn't know he was still alive on the radio. 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Demento real name Barry Hanson been doing it fifty 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: five years, introducing audiences to figures such as Tom Larrr 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: and cult songs like fish Heads. He also is revered 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: and condemned for popularized, popularizing, and mentoring weird Al Yankovic. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: Here's a big booster of Weird Al's breakout song. Another 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: One Rides the Bus, a parody of the obvious queen 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: title portrayed with wit and a plum by the office 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: is Rain Wilson in the underappreciated twenty twenty two biopic 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: Weird The Al Yankovic story. 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: I've heard it has a good movie. I didn't see it. 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, I've heard it is too. I don't watch 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: many movies at all, but I could see watching that someday. 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Move and Judy. 28 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: You know what. My son and I watched last night, 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: like the first third of and he actually liked it. 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: He's fourteen odd thing for a kiddylic Annie Hall by 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: Woody Allen. Really, I was watching it the other night 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: in the middle of the night. I mentioned it last 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: week because I couldn't sleep, and I thought, ow, bet 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 3: Henry would actually like this. He actually did like it. 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: He's a pretty. 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Cerebral kid, and it's a very cerebral movie. Yeah, the 37 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: comedy that well, the humor is all pretty cerebral too, 38 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, not surprised. So this guy's really named Barry Hanson. 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: He became doctor Demento after getting a master's in folklore 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: and ethno musicology from UCLA. I was going to do 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: that and joining the free form FM radio station KPPC 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: and PASADEN in nineteen seventy and he's been on the 43 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: air since nineteen seventy. 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: In radio is so much cooler, way way way back 45 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: in the day. 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: Oh, my god. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was 47 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: thinking about that. Why was I thinking about that? 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: Because I think. 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: About music a lot. I was thinking about the dawn 50 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: of album oriented rock radio AAR as we called it 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: in the business, where they would actually where it went 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: from no song can be more than two and a 53 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: half minutes long to here's an album side, We'll be 54 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: back afterward. And just as a music freak, how incredibly 55 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: cool that is? 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: Was? 57 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? It was because also you couldn't stream every single 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: song you ever thought of anytime you wanted. You either 59 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: owned the album or you. 60 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: Didn't, right, and even if you did, you enjoyed it. 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: And to hear like somebody's whose musical opinions or persona 62 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: you respected and liked, say, hey, this is a great 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: album side and it's one of your favorites, that was cool. Well, 64 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: you listened to it kind of for the affirmation too. 65 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 3: And then prior to the what late seventies, mid seventies, 66 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: there was no recording device that you had in your car, 67 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: So even if you owned the album, you couldn't listen 68 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: to it in your car unless you're Elvis had a 69 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 3: turntable in your car. 70 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, or like the Rolling Stones. Had I know Keith 71 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: Richards had a little turntable in his glove compartment, presumably 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: you'd have to listen to it through the speakers in 73 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: the little turntable mechanism. 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: I've seen the one in Elvis's car. Wherever that is 75 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: might be the Peterson Auto Museum, but somewhere they've got 76 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: Elvis's Cadillac that's got a turntable in it. 77 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: And were the speakers just part of the same like 78 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: little console thing, Yeah yeah, yeah, which pretty seemed crazy 79 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: cool as at the time, But I mean, how often 80 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: would it skip if you're driving always? Yeah? Wow, yeah, 81 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'll bet there are libraries full of like 82 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: old timey you know, early days of AAR radio out there, 83 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: college stations and hipster stations. 84 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: I grew up in the middle of nowhere and we 85 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 3: had no FM radio, and I could pick up a 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: couple of AM stations barely from very very far away, 87 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: so like lots and lots of music that everybody grew 88 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: up on that's, you know, from our age group. I 89 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: never heard. I didn't even know it existed. There was 90 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 3: just no way for me to be exposed to that 91 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: sort of thing. And I remember going to Denver one 92 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: time with some people in college. It's probably like eighteen 93 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: nineteen years old. Went to Denver and listened to one 94 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: of those kind of ar stations you're talking about, and 95 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, radio stations that play this, that's crazy. 96 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: I had no idea. 97 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: Our first boss in talk radio, Ken Cole was He 98 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: was one of the like founding generation, founding fathers of 99 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: free form FM radio back in the late sixties early 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: seventies in New York, right Long Island and New York. Yeah, yeah, 101 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: And we saw it was funny because you know, he's 102 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: news talk guru and really good leader and all. And 103 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: to see pictures of him back in the day, it 104 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: was hilarious. I mean, he looked like he was walking 105 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: on the stage it Woodstock. But oh man, those must 106 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: have been heady days, free love, smoking pot in the studio. 107 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: Damn it. I was born too late. 108 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: There's an interesting thing that is happening with the democratization 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: of everything, books, music, movie, acting, whatever, whatever you want 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: to talk about. It's on one hand, there's so much 111 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: more of it, and they got rid of the gate 112 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: keepers that kept a lot of great stuff out and 113 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But there's just so much everywhere all 114 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 3: the time that it's lost a lot of it's something. 115 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: Well luster profitability, both of them. 116 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: Oh, I've definitely lost its profitability by a lot. 117 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 4: But just the excitement of discoverings, you know, you finally 118 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: get to hear this, or that there's so much everywhere 119 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 4: of everything all the time, right that it's it's I 120 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 4: don't know, it's it's I can't tell if it's just 121 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 4: nostalgia for liking things the way they were when you 122 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 4: were younger, which is a natural tendency, or if things 123 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: were actually better. 124 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: Right as an economist wait, checking own credentials, not an economist, 125 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: as somebody with an interest in economics, it's it's almost well, 126 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: you can look at it just as a case study 127 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: of two economic systems, one in which there is scarcity. 128 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: That's I almost said, artificially created, but it's not. Because 129 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: it was very expensive and difficult to get music from 130 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: the songwriter's head into my home. You had to manufacture 131 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: equipment and records and ship those records, and I had 132 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: to go buy them blah blah. That was the only 133 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: way was gonna happen, really, as opposed to now, when 134 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: everything's streaming all the time. There is zero scarcity and 135 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: there is zero gate keeping to get to the point 136 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: that I notice you. And it's two very different economic 137 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 1: systems for music, which is what we're talking about. Whether 138 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: one's better than the other or not. It's just super 139 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: interesting to look at the differences. I mean, because there 140 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: are there is just how would you I was gonna say, realms, 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: it's not rems. It's oceans of shitty music that you 142 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: have to sort through or formulaic or created by AI 143 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: or whatever to get to stuff that really connects with 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: your heart. But at the same time, you know, when 145 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: led Zeppelin, for instance, was playing their electriflied electrified blues 146 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: glories to everybody, there were a hundred unbelievable bands that 147 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: you'd never heard playing great heavy rock just because the 148 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: record companies only needed a few of them. 149 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't need another one that sounds like this. 150 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, which one's better, which one's worse? 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: I don't know, well, but it's always changed, and it 152 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: just changes with the technology. Because what book I think, 153 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 3: it's a book about Louis Armstrong early days of jazz, 154 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: but recorded music right when it got the ability happened 155 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: to where you could travel around the country pretty easily 156 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: trains and that sort of stuff. Then there would be 157 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: big music stars that would travel around and make lots 158 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: of money because it was the only way you're ever 159 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 3: going to hear this song is if you. 160 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: Saw them live. 161 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: I mean that was the only way. Then radio hit and. 162 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: That really hurt them to where well, now. 163 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: You can hear this song on the radio. I don't 164 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: necessarily need to pay to hear it. Then there was 165 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: the next step of quickly after that, some way to 166 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: record it, and then you could buy it and listen 167 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: to it, and then that changed everything. We're all just 168 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 3: happenstance of technology changing. Nobody's like particular idea of what 169 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 3: would be best for music. 170 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: M Yeah, I'm sorry. Where'd you get that? 171 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: It's from a Louis Armstrong biography? 172 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: Oh, because that's such a great companion piece to a 173 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: book I've touted several times David Byrne of Talking Heads 174 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: book How Music Works, because that talks it's more specifically 175 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: about the musical styles how those were affected by changes 176 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: in society and technology as well, for instance, the Krooner era. 177 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: This is my favorite example because it's super easy to 178 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: understand but you're being Crosby's and Frank's Sinatra and all 179 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: those guys. They never would have existed because prior to 180 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: the advent of the microphone and effective pas, you had 181 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: to sing so much louder you couldn't croon. They wouldn't 182 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: hear you in the back row. And so that technology 183 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: led directly to that style. And then you know, electric 184 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: guitar amplifier is becoming much better. Blah blah blah. You 185 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: can do some of the rest of the math yourself, 186 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: but there are a bunch of different examples like that 187 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: in the book Can. I don't know human beings need 188 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: to create music. We've always done it. There is some 189 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: nostalgia involved with the way it used to be and 190 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: how great records sounded on big speakers and blah blah blah. 191 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's about the human urge ultimately, and you 192 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: know that'll always exist. To think. Ah, I like AI music, God, 193 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna say. On the other hand, you get 194 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: AI music, which feels like somebody reaching a fist down 195 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: my throat and trying to pull out my soul. I 196 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: don't appreciate it. Hurt, it sucks, It hurts, Michael, It 197 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: hurts bad. Now we've gone on long enough. Why don't 198 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: we do the I would do that for free thing 199 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: tomorrow on the One More Thing podcast. Any final comments? 200 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: M dog Yeah. Music stores. 201 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: I remember buying stuff for my sister for Christmas and 202 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: you'd go up to the clerk and say, all right, 203 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: what's a good album, what is something that you'd like 204 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: or whatever? And they say, oh, well, this is an 205 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: awesome album here. Why don't you get this one? 206 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: And I would and she'd love it. You know, I'd 207 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: miss that, Yeah, you know I was speaking to me. 208 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Is a friend of mine who really likes it sing 209 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: and likes music. Is like sponsoring a karaoke night in 210 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: my community at like the Big Bar, but it's scheduled 211 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: from six to eight pm. You can't do karaoke when 212 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: the sun is shining. It's gotta be night. You gotta 213 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: be drunk. 214 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: A woman the other day was talking about how she 215 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: is doing karaoke. She doesn't drink and she's doing karaoke 216 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: at some workman, and I thought, people that can do 217 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: karaoke completely sober, you're a different person. 218 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: Or you just desperately want people to hear you sing. 219 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: That's a different sort of person. 220 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: Man, I still think fondly of my greatest karaoke moment, 221 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: and I wish somebody had taped it. Oh my God, 222 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: partly so I could hear back and think, Wow, I 223 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: didn't sound nearly as good as I thought I did. Ah, 224 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: Karaoke Michael, what's your karaoke tuna choice? Buddy Angel of 225 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: the Morning, by choosing, could not have come up with 226 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: a funnier answer. 227 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.