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Speaker 1: First off, Man, we appreciate you bro coming through. You know,

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Speaker 1: we in the wall and came get something that good

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Speaker 1: food and everything.

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Speaker 2: Come see you do your thing. Man. Well appreciate you

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Speaker 2: having you on the show. Man.

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Speaker 1: We're big fans of yours. Man, we've been watching you

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Speaker 1: for a long, long, long long time. But man, thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 4: No problem at all. Man, you know I messed with

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Speaker 1: Day to day straight up when you first got to

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Speaker 1: the league. Who was the first person to bust.

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Speaker 2: Your nobly.

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Speaker 5: Jamal Crawford Lou Williams. So start with genobly. You know

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Speaker 5: you watched him play, you know back in the day

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Speaker 5: he'd be talking. First of all, he's speaking, you know,

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Speaker 5: in a different language all the time, probably talking like

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Speaker 5: he can't mess with me type stuff. Yeah, but they

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Speaker 5: call like angle like angle, angle and flat like in

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Speaker 5: the quarters, so you know we call angle. He dribbles

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Speaker 5: to half court like, turns his back to me. First

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Speaker 5: of all, I was like, mad, disrespectful, turn your back

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Speaker 5: to me. But whatever he turns its back comes at

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Speaker 5: me for a speed euro lay up. That's what you

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Speaker 5: sent me to step back.

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Speaker 4: It was like sevenna. He scored about damn there ten

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Speaker 4: in a row on me, which was like, wow, I

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Speaker 4: didn't play.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Basically I was coming out coach coaches like, yo, do

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Speaker 5: this to everybody, you old a little same thing, you know.

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Speaker 5: But he was just drawing fiules so couldn't touch him.

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Speaker 5: You know, young in the league. They talking about ball pressure,

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Speaker 5: ball pressure, so I'm trying to hand check.

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Speaker 2: All of that.

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Speaker 4: So it was it was wild.

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Speaker 5: And then Jamal just you know, pull up to the

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Speaker 5: took my my wounds and then went back to the lap.

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Speaker 2: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 3: We live on location. Were down here to buy you,

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Speaker 3: ain't we black. We had make a real special trip

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Speaker 3: come down Here'll come down south to come meet up

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Speaker 3: with this, with this Midwest swang, with your points, you

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Speaker 3: feel mid range, one of the one of the best

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Speaker 3: combo guards out here in the league. Al Presidentale of

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Speaker 3: the NBA Players Association, Yeah, young homeboy CJ. McCullum. And

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Speaker 3: the buildings ain't that young, No mo. He wanted old

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Speaker 3: gee's but he still would right up man. I Appreciation

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Speaker 3: Man presented by Hennessy.

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Speaker 1: H your brother Eric, he played, uh, he played before you.

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Speaker 4: He was older than you, right, three and a half

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Speaker 1: So that's the one that's that you've seen, that you watched,

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Speaker 1: that you studied, that you came behind to see him hoop.

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Speaker 1: So how was that. Let's tell us about your brother.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my best friend to this day, and I

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Speaker 5: always say I wouldn't be where I'm at, you know

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Speaker 5: without him. He was the one that had the vision

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Speaker 5: for how our life should be played out in terms

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Speaker 5: of step by step, step by step, get good grades,

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Speaker 5: treat people with respect, you know what I'm saying, carry

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Speaker 5: yourself a certain way, treat the janet the same way

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Speaker 5: you treat the CEO, all of that stuff. But then

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Speaker 5: on the court, you have an alter ego. You do

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Speaker 5: whatever you want on that court within the lines. Be

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Speaker 5: respectful to the game, but be disrespectful to your opponent

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Speaker 5: if that's how you feel in that day. And that's

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Speaker 5: how we worked, you know, six am, seven am, five

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Speaker 5: hundred shots in the morning, five hundred shots at night,

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Speaker 5: sneaking into the gym, really understanding that we didn't want

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Speaker 5: to see our parents work forever. We knew that if

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Speaker 5: we could apply a certain type of skill to this game,

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Speaker 5: be able to score something that everybody can't do, being

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Speaker 5: able to shoot off the dribble with something that everybody

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Speaker 5: we'll get paid more than most. And that's kind of

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Speaker 5: how we approach it. And my brother now good enough

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Speaker 5: to be in the league, but makes a lot of

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Speaker 4: I think he's number two, and.

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Speaker 5: He might be number one of all time in your Cup,

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Speaker 5: scoring number one in performance in dex rating, which is

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Speaker 4: He gets to it. He's just like me. It's just

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Speaker 5: But everything that I do on the court is basically

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Speaker 5: other's games to this day. I still to Europe in

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Speaker 1: Did he have the height before you had the heights?

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Speaker 1: You know how your your gross spurt was like late?

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Speaker 1: Did he already have the heightening you behind him? Or

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Speaker 1: he was small too?

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Speaker 4: He was small too, but taller than me. So I

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Speaker 5: Freshman year, five to seven, five to eleven I committed

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Speaker 4: When I got there, I was six three.

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Speaker 5: He was five to seven five ten, six foot six

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Speaker 5: he was beat me for a long time. And it's funny.

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Speaker 5: He used to always joke. And even when I went

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Speaker 5: and I used to spend my spring break in Goshen,

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Speaker 5: we would just play ones and I work out and

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Speaker 5: just kind of get better. And he used always say,

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Speaker 5: when you could beat me, you'll be ready for the league.

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Speaker 5: Yeah he was right, So you whooped that asso the league.

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Speaker 3: So tell me this, how old were y'all when he

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Speaker 3: when y'all began the six am, seven am and all

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Speaker 2: How old were y'all doing that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've been getting up at six am since

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Speaker 2: Was his idea?

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Speaker 5: Hey, I hated it. I hate he was so disciplined

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Speaker 5: and methodical. I didn't see the vision, like, yeah, off

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Speaker 5: the court, real estate, every business, like he knew what

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Speaker 4: We own restaurants, he knew like that.

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Speaker 5: He had this vision of how he wanted his life

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Speaker 5: to be and he was like, I'm going to learn

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. He wrote out my bios

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Speaker 4: to send the college.

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Speaker 5: He sent it up to one hundred Division one schools,

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Speaker 5: my points per game stats, with film everything. He was

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Speaker 5: There's no amount of money that can ever repay the

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Speaker 5: love that you showed me. And it's just gratitude that

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Speaker 5: I have for him that he has for me. But

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Speaker 5: it was his idea. I hate I couldn't stay the

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Speaker 5: we still got to work out, and look, you're getting

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Speaker 5: getting away from this.

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Speaker 1: Y'all used to do a lot of one dribble pool,

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Speaker 1: two dribble pool, like from all of that was like

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Speaker 5: On the on the shooting side, everything started with that

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Speaker 1: And your pull up game is so crazy, like you

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Speaker 1: remind me, like like of the guys you always got

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Speaker 1: it up. And that's like one of the most dangeroustopped

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Speaker 1: see you doing that all the time, because that shit

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Speaker 2: Tell me this.

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Speaker 3: When you were we all seen a little viral picture

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Speaker 3: of you being microscopic when you were little his hair

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Speaker 4: The college dudes, well high school dudes.

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Speaker 3: What was your brother's message when you were going out

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Speaker 3: there in that situation? Because you you was like so

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Speaker 3: did he try and instill that confidence in you? Did

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Speaker 3: you can go out there and do it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I always had a.

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Speaker 5: Unbelievable amount of confidence, even when I was small, like

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Speaker 5: I used to get it always the little ones I

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Speaker 5: got it. I got us into a lot of trouble

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Speaker 5: with people we shouldn't have got in trouble with. He

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Speaker 5: But it was just always my mentality. And it's like,

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Speaker 4: Fear no man, like he put his shoes on the

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Speaker 5: And his life ain't been as hard as mine, even

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Speaker 5: if it has been, Like in my mind, he ain't

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Speaker 5: five too. He don't know what it's like to try

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Speaker 5: He don't know what this is like. He don't want

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Speaker 5: bad as me. He not getting up at six am

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Speaker 5: at ten years old. He's not shooting a thousand shots

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Speaker 5: So it was just like I worked so hard. It

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Speaker 5: was like there's no way these kids, these kids can't

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Speaker 5: and if I don't succeed, it's cool. We get back

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Speaker 5: knew I was gonna grow. My dad graduated high school

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Speaker 5: you want to be successful, you got to really work

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Speaker 5: So you either got to get a four point zero

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Speaker 5: you get a three five and be solid so you

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Speaker 5: can get the scholarship. And I just worked on like

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Speaker 5: you said, the fundamentals is the foundation and everything. Triple threat,

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Speaker 5: have footwork, have a handle, And as I got taller

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Speaker 5: and stronger, I had to create less space.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it got better. Oh I got weapons. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: a superher I'm shooting.

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Speaker 5: Step back to five to two, now six four. It's like,

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Speaker 5: I don't see you at all.

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Speaker 2: You're missing, So take me through that.

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Speaker 3: What that transition is like when you you know, you

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Speaker 3: start off at five too. Then you get to the

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Speaker 3: point to where all of that hard work that you

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Speaker 3: didn't put in, all of them hours you didn law like,

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Speaker 3: now you seeing the fruits of that label and you

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Speaker 3: like you already said you was cocky.

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Speaker 2: So where were you at at that point?

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Speaker 5: I mean it was probably hard to be around for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's the way, at.

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Speaker 2: That one moment in my career, what we could have

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Speaker 5: I'm giving them opportunities because it's so many haters out

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Speaker 5: And it's like, just because you can't do it, don't

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Speaker 1: You definitely don't you, like, can.

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Speaker 4: I really do this?

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Speaker 5: Like right, I'm five to five to two, averaging twenty

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Speaker 4: I get the five to seven.

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Speaker 5: They bring me off the bench, promised me I was

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Speaker 5: I wanted to quit my junior year. My brother said,

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Speaker 5: Decide what you want. My mom is like, I ain't

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Speaker 5: that after the games I might score twenty eight, She like, damn,

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Speaker 5: that's the energy that I get in my household, and

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Speaker 5: The sounds you hear it was me talking to myself

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Speaker 3: Like like you hit the first start and you told

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Speaker 3: What was your swag and your confidence after that?

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Speaker 4: It was very high.

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Speaker 5: But it was funny because I had to convince myself

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Speaker 5: that it wasn't Fluke right, because it's like I just

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Speaker 4: So I was just paranoid. Like, look, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Still paranoid to this day. You gotta do this right.

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Speaker 4: Now I just show up for work like.

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Speaker 5: I don't worry about the result because I done did

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Speaker 5: everything I can to be successful up until seven pm.

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Speaker 4: So at seven pm it's the most relaxing.

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Speaker 2: Time for me.

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Speaker 5: The hard part is six am, the eight am workouts.

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Speaker 5: I'm lifting, I'm boxing at this time. That's the hard part.

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Speaker 5: That's the sacrifice. Now I get to enjoy the fruits.

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Speaker 5: So after I scored that fifty four.

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Speaker 5: Now, you gotta consistently do this if you want to

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Speaker 5: after that. I was getting boxing won every night, so

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Speaker 5: score eleven points and I'm going home.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 5: I got more work to do, and I needed that

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Speaker 5: failure right because told me you're how to finish product.

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Speaker 5: You still got to sharpen you too. You got a

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Speaker 5: So that's kind of what my approach was. I was

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Speaker 5: always sure of myself, confident, and I think that my

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Speaker 4: But I tell people all the.

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Speaker 5: Time, like my teammates can speak to that past and present,

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Speaker 5: Like CJ is consistent every day.

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Speaker 4: He cocky, but he works. He has a reason to

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Speaker 5: He's sure of himself, but he's smart, he's sharp, and

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Speaker 5: he gonna tell you like it is, even if you.

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Speaker 4: Don't like to hear it or want to hear it.

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Speaker 5: But I'm always gonna keep it a hundred with you

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Speaker 5: and I've always done that my whole life, and I

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Speaker 5: just stems from, like you said, I was so thirsty

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Speaker 5: to get that divisional scholarship that I was gonna do

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Speaker 5: whatever it took, and I was gonna work harder than

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Speaker 5: like shoot shoot so much you got blisters on your fingers,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's the mentality that

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Speaker 5: I had, Like you got to be your jumper, got

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Speaker 5: to be so wet that like they surprised when you miss.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, That's how I felt when

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Speaker 1: I first seen you and seeing that pull up, that

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Speaker 1: how you two dribble one dribble, how you coming off

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Speaker 1: do what you do, because that's the old school mentality

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Speaker 1: of what you do. But you mastered that. That's one

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Speaker 1: of the most dangerous things. That's what Michael Jordan did.

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Speaker 1: Become the go to this shit me and range kill

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Speaker 1: all this and that's that's what you do.

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Speaker 2: I definitely like that.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about the you know, the remainder of your

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Speaker 3: senior year, because you clearly was killing How did you

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Speaker 3: feel about the recruiting process.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I still was angry about the recruiting process, right,

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Speaker 5: you know, I go from five seven or five eleven.

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Speaker 5: I average twenty five, five and five basically, and Lehi

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Speaker 5: sends me a letter the day after I scored fifty four.

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Speaker 4: I had never heard of Lee High.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know.

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Speaker 5: I was like, le High, let me look you something

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Speaker 5: on Google. Talk to me, all right, Patriot leg and

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Speaker 5: I'm saying I'm going down the roster. And this's when

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Speaker 5: the video game is out. So I start playing with

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Speaker 5: Lee High on the video game. Take him to the

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Speaker 5: NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 5: I go through that like as a kid. Swear to guy,

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Speaker 5: I go through that as kid, that whole process. And

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Speaker 5: then I start getting letters Michigan, Notre Dame, Bowling Green.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still hooping.

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Speaker 5: Though, Bowling Green, Fairfield, University of Firming And in my head,

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Speaker 5: like I was like, I'm a Division one player, but

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Speaker 5: like now I'm a high level Division one player, like

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Speaker 5: North Carolina should be sending me there.

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Speaker 4: That's the school I will go to, Kansas.

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Speaker 1: North Carolina is the one on your map.

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Speaker 5: But they never recruited me. I even sent them stuff

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Speaker 5: so I would send it my brother. We send stuff

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Speaker 5: to schools that I like big, like high major, mid major,

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Speaker 5: and low major. We would target all of them depending

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Speaker 5: on locations, you know, Horizon League, Mac whatever.

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Speaker 4: We're going down the list, just to kind of like give.

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Speaker 1: Me some variety, y'all, sending them.

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Speaker 4: Sending them my stuff, my films, my g p.

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Speaker 5: A, my a CT score, every My brother had a

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Speaker 5: everything with disc of my film, sent it to every school,

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Speaker 5: over one hundred schools he sent it to. And remind you,

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Speaker 5: I'm still playing right. Finished my high school year, I

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Speaker 5: played for All Ohio Red. I didn't play much.

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Speaker 4: I was pissed. And then I played for King James

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Speaker 4: Bron's team. Shot at my guy Bron.

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Speaker 5: I played for his AU team, and I never forget

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Speaker 5: I tell this story all the time. Played in AU tournament,

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Speaker 5: play against John wall. First, John was never one playing

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Speaker 5: the country. John was crazy like that. I had twenty five,

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, all right, bet, I'm gonna take this film.

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Speaker 5: This is everybody gotta see this shit.

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Speaker 1: Do so nothing.

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Speaker 5: I was like John, Still my guy used to so

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Speaker 5: that was a good film for me. Still didn't really

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Speaker 5: get know, like, no play. So what I did was

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Speaker 5: I played in the tournament, I served, and I lied.

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Speaker 5: So I told him exactly, you know how like rivals

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Speaker 4: So I lied instead. I had three scholarship offers.

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Speaker 5: I named three schools, and Lehigh had already offered me,

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Speaker 5: so I said, Lee High, somebody else, somebody else. I

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Speaker 5: like small mid major offers. But I was still pissed

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Speaker 5: because I was a Ohio kid. My teammate, coach to Kufish,

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Speaker 5: went to Ohio State and Dad never recruited me. Xavier

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Speaker 5: never recruited me, Cincinnati never recruited me. All these schools

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Speaker 5: I'm in your backyard never recruited me. So I kind

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Speaker 5: of waited around, and my mom, my dad, my brother

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Speaker 5: was like, look, you gotta go where you're wanted, where

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Speaker 5: you're needed. You gotta My dad will always say don't

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Speaker 5: you want to be somebody priority.

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Speaker 4: Coach Reed drove during a tornado to my house.

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Speaker 5: We sat in the We sat in the kitchen with

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Speaker 5: come here and be do what you want to get

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Speaker 5: a great education, you can make the tournament, whatever whatever.

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Speaker 5: I commit to Lehigh before my senior year at five

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Speaker 5: I'm six two down, I'm duncan and game. I was

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Speaker 5: I averaged twenty nine eight in like four Ohio Gatoray

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00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,359
Speaker 5: Player of the Year runner up mister Basketball to Jared Sellinger,

441
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,240
Speaker 5: him and Trey burkeen and was running running in Columbus,

442
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,320
Speaker 5: and I'm looking like because I had told my mom,

443
00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,080
Speaker 5: I's like, Mom, I'm about to average thirty this year,

444
00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,960
Speaker 5: and I think if I do that, then I'll be

445
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 5: able to a big school. She was like, but you're

446
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,280
Speaker 5: gonna be going to a big school at somebody's second

447
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,800
Speaker 5: or third option. I also wanted to go to Penn State.

448
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,000
Speaker 5: State never offered, so play that out. I averaged thirty.

449
00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,160
Speaker 5: I go to Lee High I show up, I'm six three.

450
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,680
Speaker 5: They looking like this is the same kid, Like this

451
00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,320
Speaker 5: is the kid that committed. Because I did my visit

452
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,480
Speaker 5: at five to eleven. They didn't see me the whole year.

453
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,240
Speaker 5: The rest is history. I got there and I said,

454
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,920
Speaker 5: all right, how many I used to tell my brother,

455
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,159
Speaker 5: like how good do I have to be to get

456
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:39,880
Speaker 5: to the league early?

457
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,439
Speaker 4: Because I don't want to be here for four.

458
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 1: Years being that small? How was the first dunk in game?

459
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,800
Speaker 2: Dunk? Like? How I know how hype?

460
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,639
Speaker 4: You was super hype? You know the little week one

461
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:55,920
Speaker 4: two where you're like, oh you break. Then I start doing.

462
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,959
Speaker 5: The AI joints only in practice stuff like that, Oh

463
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,240
Speaker 5: throw it off ad.

464
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 4: That was my go to and warm up blondes.

465
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 5: That was like the best feeling in the world, Like

466
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,480
Speaker 5: better than hitting ten threes. It's like Duncan because it

467
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 5: was like the transformation of he not athletic.

468
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 4: I'm getting eight rebounds a game? What you mean here?

469
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 4: Banging with sinners?

470
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 5: You're going down and you make sure you boxing and

471
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 5: I'm giving you thirty five and.

472
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 3: So you get the lee high and you you you

473
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 3: go crazy. You the Rookie of the Year and the

474
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 3: player of the year. What was that first year like

475
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,360
Speaker 3: for you when you like you already got you know,

476
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 3: your own expectations for yourself, but then you kind of

477
00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 3: burst onto the scene like that.

478
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 2: What was that like?

479
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 5: So it's funny because I joked with Coach Read all

480
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 5: the time and Coach Logi, who recruited me.

481
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 2: There.

482
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 5: They promised me I was gonna start. They brought me

483
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 5: off the bench, and I was like the disrespect come here,

484
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 5: like I'm an NBA player coming off the bench at lea,

485
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:52,360
Speaker 5: Like that's my mentality, like irrational probably, but I was right.

486
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,920
Speaker 5: I am who I said I was. So it brought

487
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 5: me off the bench for two games. I remember calling

488
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 5: home like this ain't what I signed up for. You

489
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. They lied to me me I

490
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 5: was going to start coming off the bench, and I

491
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 5: was calling it right. I was low key like by

492
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 5: the transfer, like looking at like Shaka was at VCU

493
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 5: and I knew since I was a kid, So I

494
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 5: was like looking around like I'm coming for the bench.

495
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 1: You're killing before he was murdering the whole pas always

496
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 1: to the first game and you know at the end

497
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like, yeah, starting you looked on the board,

498
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 1: like talk about that moment right there, because we like that.

499
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 5: Was like where Washington the last two months?

500
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 2: Kill Steff?

501
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 3: Tell me talk about that because that's like we already

502
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 3: been there. When we go through whether it's in the league,

503
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 3: you go through a training camp or whatever it is,

504
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 3: you know you and your is on the team, You're like, yeah, yeah,

505
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 3: I did.

506
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 2: I earned my keep being the coach. Come in.

507
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 3: He won't talk to you or you know, he won't

508
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 3: give you to you know, you know talking. I'm talking

509
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 3: about you, Like, why are you coming to me with this?

510
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be over there with telling him.

511
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 4: Here to me? Since why? Yeah? I was hurt bro

512
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 4: like that. That really hurt me. That just I was

513
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 4: back in the gym, I was like, damn, am I

514
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 4: not working out enough?

515
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying. That was my mentality.

516
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 5: But I used to call home. I'm like, as soon

517
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 5: as buddy getting foul trouble, it's over. He got in

518
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 5: foul trouble twice, he got in foul trouble. Game one

519
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 5: I had like fifteen we played against Richmond Richmond University.

520
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 5: Game two we played against writer one of the Thompson

521
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 5: brothers was there and they was whooping our ass. They

522
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 5: was up like seventeen to two. Buddy in front of me,

523
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 5: shout out to Rob Keifer. Rob Keifer's one in front

524
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 5: of me.

525
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 4: Nice guy.

526
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 5: He picked up his second foul again, and I listen,

527
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,239
Speaker 5: I'm just laughing like a messed up looking back.

528
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 4: When I come in here, I'm to the Cup of

529
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 4: AI crossing.

530
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 5: I'm hit three week down. I'm all that, like this

531
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 5: is personal. I got to get to the league, y'all.

532
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 5: Y'all done cost me two games of film straight up.

533
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 5: Next game, first career start twenty six at the Crib

534
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 5: school record most points in the first career start. I'm

535
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 5: out here killing like I'm dunking. I'm yelling just nobody

536
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 5: in the stands. I'm yelling at nobody, like it doesn't matter.

537
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,719
Speaker 5: Like I got like I got to where I'm at today,

538
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 5: just internal motivation, like make it fun, make it pretend

539
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 5: it's twenty thousand here, so then when I get to

540
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 5: the tournament it's really twenty thousand. I'm going crazy because

541
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 5: I've been envisioning what this is going to be like

542
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 5: and feel like my whole life.

543
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 4: I watched a duke on TV. I watched Carolina Kansas.

544
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 5: They got they owned rms, they got chefs, they getting

545
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 5: pret Damn the Jays, they got the Jays.

546
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 4: Team. They're flying private, We're flying it. We're flying toilets.

547
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: You know what I say. They toilet the whole ride

548
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 2: to take got ice.

549
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 4: Past and trash cans.

550
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like I'm angry, you know

551
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like it's not their fault, but like

552
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 5: I needed something to create in my head, to make

553
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 5: it so that when I got to work out at

554
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 5: six am, I'm working out with a purpose.

555
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 4: I'm not just doing this for this now.

556
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 5: This is personal because when I play against this kid

557
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 5: who had it easy. They don't mean like growing up easy.

558
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 5: I mean like he was silver. He was just a

559
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 5: silver spoon cat. Once he got to where he's at.

560
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 5: He don't know what this grind is like. He don't

561
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 5: know what it's like. It means more like its mountain

562
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 5: and its snow. Every time you step between them lines,

563
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 5: it means more to you. I'll be telling the kids

564
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 5: now nowadays, because you see some of these kids don't

565
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 5: give the effort, Like don't they don't carry they out

566
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 5: there too cool, like they just out there getting thirty

567
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 5: or something. They get a dunk and have eight points

568
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 5: and they swag. It's like they had thirty and fifteen

569
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 5: or something.

570
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, man, when I stepped between them lines,

571
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,479
Speaker 1: and it reminds me of you too, how hard you

572
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: go when you step between them lines. It means too

573
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: much to me not to go hard. It means too

574
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: much to me not to run fast or hustle on

575
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: defense and play hard.

576
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: That's what it's about. Take me.

577
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 3: Take me to your junior year. After you three times

578
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: All All Conference. You didn't want players or the years,

579
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Years, y'all don't want the titles in

580
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: the conference. But you decided to go back for you.

581
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: You was a hot you, You was a prospect for

582
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: the league as a junior, but you came back. Why

583
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: did you go back?

584
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 5: I had never experienced what it was like to be

585
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 5: the man, like going into a season right, like I

586
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 5: was a very good mid major player, Like they knew

587
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 5: I was good in Bethlehem, some of the other cities

588
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 5: who played Navy, Army, American Kolgate, but the world didn't

589
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 5: really know, like he's the man. And I wanted to

590
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 5: go through that. From the beginning preseason All American First Team.

591
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 5: I went to CP three skills, KD skills, I met

592
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 5: all the Nike events, killing.

593
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: Playing against all the best college players.

594
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 5: I go to use the air quotes again, all the

595
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 5: best high major players in the country, and I wanted

596
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: to experience that. But I also I loved college. I

597
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 5: didn't think I was gonna like it that much. I

598
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 5: was like, this is fun. Like I want to get

599
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 5: to the money and take care of my family, but

600
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: one more year, I have no responsibility. Just who go

601
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 5: to class. I can go to my frat homies place,

602
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 5: I can go to sororities. I had met my wife,

603
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 5: so I was in a place where I was just

604
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 5: really happy, content and comfortable. And although I knew change

605
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 5: was coming, I wasn't necessarily ready yet. I told my mom,

606
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 5: I said, if I leave, I'm not coming back. I said,

607
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 5: once I get to the money, I don't think I

608
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 5: would be able to go back to school. And I

609
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 5: had promised her I would graduate, and I was making

610
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 5: the Dean's list and I was doing so well. I

611
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: just felt like all those things, and I heard I

612
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 5: was going to be mid to late first and I

613
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 5: was like if they see me, if if they think

614
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 5: I made it late? First off, that one game, like

615
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 5: wait till they coming every night to watch.

616
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 4: The people were like, well.

617
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 5: You're going to are you sure you want to be evaluated?

618
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 5: I said, I'm not running from nothing, right. I want

619
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 5: them to see every part of my game because it's

620
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 5: not a lot of flaws, like I'm a college kid

621
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: that can score at all three levels.

622
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 4: Like what you want? Like what more do you want?

623
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 5: And I want to get back to the tournament because

624
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: I felt like I was good then, but I felt

625
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 5: like I was better. I was smarter, I was sharper,

626
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 5: and I really understood like the preparation that goes into

627
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 5: like getting through a thirty game season conference tournament and

628
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 5: then going to play the big boys.

629
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: And I wanted all that smoke. And I had lined up.

630
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 5: I had a list of teams I wanted to play

631
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 5: game to my coach State was all running from us.

632
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 5: Shot at tom Izzo, he would play us. We'll play

633
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 5: against tom as my junior year. But most of the

634
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 5: teams Syracuse, I can name them. They allway was running

635
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 5: from us. They say we'll play you when c J leaves.

636
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 5: Every school that didn't recruit me in Ohio. I wanted

637
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 5: to play the Ohio State wouldn't play US. Cincinnati, every

638
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 5: school that was close to me or that I wanted

639
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 5: to go to, Notre Dame in State, Keen State played

640
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 5: US my freshman year, wouldn't play US again.

641
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 4: Dayton played US. I had forty two or no kN

642
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: State played US.

643
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 5: I had forty two my sophomore year, They's like, we're

644
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 5: not playing You'll no more Acron They wouldn't play US.

645
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: So I had a list and they was running from US.

646
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 5: But more of the story is Iowa State they would

647
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 5: play US when they had Royce White like some of

648
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 5: those types of schools where Pittsburgh Like I was happy

649
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 5: to be able to like go play those teams. And

650
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 5: then you know, this was the first time in my

651
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 5: life I'm showing up to practice and it's ten credential

652
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 5: NBA teams watching me practice in best Lanham, Pensylvania.

653
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: What that was like?

654
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: When you I was looking like what is that?

655
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 5: And then I'll be asking, I mean it like, yo,

656
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 5: who Washington Day what team is this?

657
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 6: Oh?

658
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: Oh they need they need to guard y'all need to guard.

659
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: He don't even know about scouts coming to high school

660
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: games for him. You know they was at the high school.

661
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: Comes to know they can't check me out of high school,

662
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: I mean college practice. They come to his high school game,

663
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: know nobody as what's going on. He just had to

664
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: hear say he's seen the team. This your low shirts.

665
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: Did you know it was gonna be Portland or did

666
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: you think it was gonna be somewhere else?

667
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: Honestly, I thought I was going to the Kings.

668
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 5: The Kings promised me at seven days when like if

669
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 5: you're ever gonna take you, they actually called me back

670
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 5: for a second workout, and I hit my agent.

671
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't really want to work out again,

672
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: Like I'm tired.

673
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 5: I done went through, like I rehab my my fracture

674
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: foot right into the pre drafts.

675
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: Like I'm tired. I just want to chill.

676
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: How many workouts did you do?

677
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: Only they like ten?

678
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, how blessed?

679
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: I did like ten? But I worked out for them twice.

680
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 4: It's basically all a lot.

681
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: Of the teams. That's what I'm saying, y'all. Blessed you

682
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: only did like two and you said I didn't like six. Okay,

683
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: I know he listened.

684
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: Ten and the process was great for me. I'm not

685
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: gonna lie to you. It was cool. But I thought

686
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: I was going to the Kings.

687
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 5: Then I thought I was going to Detroit because they

688
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 5: had Joe Dumars and he was a small school guards

689
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: like he might mess with me.

690
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

691
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 5: No, he ain't see the vision nine Minnesota Timberwolves. I

692
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 5: can't remember who they drafted. I think they took Trey

693
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 5: Burke and trade them to Utah. Tim Dame did text me.

694
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: He was like, I think we're gonna draft you, and

695
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 5: then my phone died when it like picked seven or eight.

696
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 5: He was like, oh, and then my phone died, and then.

697
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: How the hell your phone down?

698
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: Draft Day?

699
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: Doing too much on Twitter scrolling?

700
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: When?

701
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: So, did you know Dame already before the draft?

702
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? We had.

703
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: We had talked my whole senior year.

704
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 5: After I broke my foot, we talked to one of

705
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 5: our mutual friends connected us and I was just asking him.

706
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 4: About the league. We was friends for I.

707
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: I was asking about the league, workouts, what I should

708
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 5: be doing. He broke his foot and we kind of

709
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 5: went through that process and then I met him during

710
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 5: the draft lottery in person, so I knew him before

711
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 5: I got drafted.

712
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: You already had trust.

713
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 5: So we had We had been texting for like seven

714
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 5: months and then I got and then draft lottery and

715
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 5: then he was like he was telling me that, like, yo,

716
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 5: You're gonna be a lottery pick. And I'm like, what,

717
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 5: I just broke my foot. He's like, y'all, I'm looking

718
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: at the board every day, like I go in there

719
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 5: and they got you going lottery. And I was like,

720
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: for real, story you know now? And I know I know.

721
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 5: I was like, you see the board?

722
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: What board? But yeah, I didn't notice each other before

723
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: I got to the league.

724
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: And it was during his rookie year, like I was

725
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 5: asking about workouts and I was watching his license, the

726
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: litter or all of that, and he texted me, was like,

727
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 5: uh oh, and then I got drafted by Portland.

728
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: Tell me this. You and Dane had been together.

729
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 4: With nine years, nine and a half years, and so.

730
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously over the years has been all these

731
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: rumors and this and that. Had y'all talked about if

732
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: a trade possibly happened and what you know, how you

733
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: y'all because I know, like you said, I mean I

734
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: know from d right. It y'all is like really tight,

735
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: like right, so you know what I'm saying. I knew

736
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: y'all really rocked with each other. Did y'all get a

737
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: chance to chop it up and talk about like what

738
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: could happen before the trade ultimately happened.

739
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have been talking. I joked about it for

740
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 5: years for like three I've been in traive members a

741
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 5: long time, trust since in the league. But like the

742
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: last few years we really like kind of like talked

743
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 5: about it, talked around it, like like, bro, I might

744
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 5: really be out of here, you know what I'm saying,

745
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 5: Like those types of conversations, like just so you know,

746
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. He was always kept it

747
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 5: a hunting with me. We actually FaceTime like three days

748
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 5: four days before I got traded, and I just called him.

749
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, bro, just feeling you in on

750
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 5: some stuff like what you're hearing type of conversations, And

751
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 5: I'm just telling them like, look, I'm having great conversations

752
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: with Joe. Joe our GM shout out to Joe, and

753
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 5: we're going to work something out to where it's it's

754
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 5: best for everybody. I said, I'm just letting you know

755
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: I'm probably gonna be out of here in the next

756
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 5: two weeks, like just so you know, so you can

757
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 5: kind of prepare, like like I've been with you a

758
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 5: long time, you've been with me. And he was like,

759
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 5: I told him basically like I'm not gonna be pretending

760
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: I don't know nothing.

761
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying stuff said.

762
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: I told him, I ain't gonna be pretending I don't

763
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 5: know nothing, Like see is my guy. So if if

764
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 5: y'all y'all coming to me asked me about stuff, for

765
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 5: telling me stuff, I gotta go tell it to him.

766
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 5: And they was like, we respect that, and you know,

767
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 5: we're talking to CJ directly, so you don't have to

768
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 5: do that. And he was like, I said, I'm talking

769
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: to directly and direct So I appreciate that the candidates,

770
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 5: not just from him, but the organization was great to

771
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 5: me and they don't always handle it like that, so

772
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 5: I'm thankful that they handled it like that.

773
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: I felt like it was a great split.

774
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 5: He's like bad divorces out there, and like we all

775
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 5: have bad breakups, I presume in our life, and that

776
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: wasn't one of them. That was one where like I

777
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: left on great terms. I gave him all I had.

778
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: I gave you all I had. You gave me all

779
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 5: you have, and you sent me somewhere that I wanted

780
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: to go, Somewhere I can be successful, Somewhere I can

781
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: be the best version of myself. I can help build

782
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 5: this community. I can help build up this team and

783
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 5: play alongside some young dogs.

784
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: So like, thank you. I really appreciate that.

785
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 5: And like my wife told me, she was like CJ,

786
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 5: like this is an opportunity.

787
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: You know, where you are really loved.

788
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 5: They really gonna love you, especially when they see like

789
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: how you really are, like they got glimpses of me

790
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: in Portland, but just watching games like I'm really gonna

791
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 5: be out here, like I'm out here like when I hoop,

792
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: Like I really care about this game. I care about

793
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 5: this community of players, and like the fans are starting

794
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 5: to see that. They're like, oh he's nice, Oh he

795
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 5: really nice. Like you know what I mean, It's like

796
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 5: I am, like I really work.

797
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

798
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: The one thing I like though, the way that you

799
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: and Dame were you know what I'm saying, because like

800
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: you say, with a lot of those rumors and stuff,

801
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: it's grabbed me out. I could assume that from the

802
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: outstyle looking me because y'all always stayed down. But like

803
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: to hear you say and reaffirmed it, the way y'all

804
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: communicated with each other throughout, that really shows, you know

805
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, y'all rock with each other, and that's

806
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: the way it should go down. But we we all

807
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: know that it doesn't always go down that way. Like

808
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: when he said the whole I'm not gonna act like

809
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing like that's happened a lot of

810
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 3: times where it's just like I don't know, but you know,

811
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: And it's like that really shows that y'all some real dudes,

812
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: and y'all rock with each other a different way, and

813
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: that's that's refreshing to hear because I could talk to

814
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: him any kind of when I slap shit out of him,

815
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: we're still gonna be cool, ma, you know.

816
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 5: Right, But y'all built that sweat equity together, like y'all

817
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: got to abnormal amount of respect for each other.

818
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: And it's not this.

819
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: This is my oldest boy. I've been beating his ass

820
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: so long, you know. You know it's my oldest boy.

821
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: You know I love him.

822
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny that you say that because like

823
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 5: I see these teams and like, obviously I know how

824
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: the lead works. You know how it works very well

825
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 5: in the position I've been today. But a lot of

826
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 5: guys act like they don't know. And it's like, if

827
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: you're the best player on the team, the highest state player,

828
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 5: you know who's getting.

829
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: Traded, especially if they think y'all that cool, you knowed

830
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: and you know when they're getting traded and you know

831
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: who they're getting traded for.

832
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's funny. It's like that's you can't you

833
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: can't play a player, baby.

834
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: Say you can't be slicker in the cat all, like

835
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: you jumping in Bush's message.

836
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: Moves that started a movement.

837
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: You're not the first to go from a mid mage

838
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: and go to the league, but now it's a lot

839
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: more guys, and they looking for a lot more guys

840
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: instead of just looking at the big college and you

841
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: played for a backcourt that was all mid mage. You

842
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Just talk about that in general.

843
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a move to start movements. Talk

844
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: about that in general, the med major guys that's coming

845
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: out and just making the league.

846
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 5: I've grown very fond of the major players because of

847
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: the circumstance that they got to go through. You know,

848
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 5: it's different. The scrutiny that you face is not the

849
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 5: same as the high level kids. You don't get so

850
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 5: many opportunities to play on the big stage and you

851
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 5: judge solely on that performance. You play poorly, like he's

852
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 5: not ready, he's.

853
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 4: In a major.

854
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: You gotta win a tournament to get out, and you

855
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 5: gotta win a tournament to get out, like not the

856
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: regular season joint where when I'm done, I'm playing at

857
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 5: buck now and they cheating, you know what I'm saying.

858
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: So it's like I have a greater appreciation for that

859
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: to struggle and then just to see the success that

860
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: came before me, like Steph Curry, George Hill, all those

861
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 5: players that came before me. If they would have failed,

862
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 5: they wouldn't have Eric maynor if they didn't play well,

863
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 5: they don't take that chance on me.

864
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: He May It was super nice. We hit that game

865
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: with against Duke.

866
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: I said nice.

867
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. It's like, and I tell like,

868
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 5: I told y'all the same thing. I was like, bro

869
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: keep the door open. But and that just means Hoop,

870
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: don't come here messing around or come here taking this

871
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 5: game for granted. Remember what you came from to get

872
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: here and leave the door open for the next guy.

873
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 5: And I think we all somebody said, man put their

874
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 5: foot in, like you know what I'm saying, a little

875
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 5: bit more used to be and now they're taking more

876
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 5: chances on guys.

877
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: That's our success.

878
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: Y'all put the spotlight to where now it's like, no, no,

879
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: we can't let these be on turned. We gotta look

880
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: everywhere these boys just out here, and y'all really made.

881
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: It like that, but they start with the guys that

882
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: came before us.

883
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 5: I'm thankful because if they wouldn't handle their business, I

884
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 5: might not be here talking to y'all.

885
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: What was What was it like for you that the

886
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: year that you lose, they lose La Marcus and it's

887
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: their time for somebody to step up, you know what

888
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you stepped up and like, nah, he

889
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: ain't just gonna be Dame here, it's gonna be dam

890
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: and me.

891
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: You stepped up? What was that your life for you?

892
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 5: I was similar to my high school experience, right, didn't

893
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 5: play a lot. I played like fourteen minutes a game

894
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 5: my second year the league and then they trade Nico.

895
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 5: On draft night, l A walks they're not gonna resign

896
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 5: West West cast like seventy four million in Dallas, and

897
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 5: they like, CJ, We're going to start you at shooting

898
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 5: guard and up point guard. And I was like, I

899
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 5: was like thirty four minutes. Yeah, you're gonna play about

900
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 5: thirty two to thirty five minutes a night.

901
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: I said, what out of forty eight home?

902
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: I said, I'm about to kill.

903
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 5: They about to give me that they have to get, like,

904
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 5: you gonna let me run the second unit, about to

905
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 5: be playing, playing against backups with the ball in my hands.

906
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: I'm about to kill.

907
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 5: And they're like, just go do what you do that summer.

908
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: I was like, this is this is just how it

909
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 5: was in high school. Like he went from not playing

910
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 5: a lot to getting a chance to play. I was like,

911
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 5: don't blow it by not being ready. If you blow

912
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 5: it any other way, that's cool, but it ain't gonna

913
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 5: because you wasn't ready. So I made sure I was ready. Conditioning,

914
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: I'm running on track. I hate running. I'm running on turf.

915
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: I'm running out.

916
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: Up the hills.

917
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 4: I go back home, like back to the old school.

918
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 5: McKinley Monument all of that, like back to like my

919
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 5: homegrown training, like how I got to where I'm at.

920
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 5: I went back to all of that, and I was like,

921
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 5: this is how I know I'm gonna be successful because

922
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 5: this is what I've done forever. Mornings, five hundred, night,

923
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 5: five hundred sneaking into the gym, all of that.

924
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: Then you get the NBA. They got the finger Skinner two.

925
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: I am can't sleep. Yeah, somebody always be my guy.

926
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: That that's that Paul Allen right there, you walking, You

927
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: just put their fingerpris right there.

928
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: You know that's old song. I ain't I ain't know

929
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: about that when I was with l A.

930
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: After I left l A and went on the greener pastures,

931
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: you know, because Donald Startling wasn't putting no funds into us,

932
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: we probably the LA Southwest College bro Junior College in

933
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: the hood. Shout out to all y'all out that LA Southwestern.

934
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We's with our people, though.

935
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: But after I got up out of there, you know,

936
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: Phoenix was was was nice in DC, and you already

937
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: know New York City's now.

938
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: You already know now that you do it big.

939
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: Out there everywhere else, I went I get all that

940
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: access whenever I want to go to the gym, but

941
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: l A, we couldn't even take shouts after practice.

942
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: Is you and Dame used to talk about like y'all

943
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: being the best back court because I remember like they

944
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: used to put other people back course above y'all, and

945
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: then by the end of the season or as time

946
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: went by, y'all arguably the best or if not the

947
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: second best backcourt of them all of all the people say, nah,

948
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: did y'all used to talk about like that? Because y'all

949
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: always think I loved about y'all so much. It seems

950
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: like no matter who it was, y'all accepted that challenge, like, oh, no,

951
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: we coming in here, we going o whether y'all ready

952
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: to play or not, like we in.

953
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 4: This this No, we want all the smoke for sure.

954
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 5: I think when we were younger, like we cared about

955
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: that stuff, but as we got older, it was just like,

956
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 5: I don't care what they think, like I'm about to

957
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: go out here and try to serve play the best

958
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: of my ability. And the fact that we went from

959
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: not really being mentioned to being mentioned like that showed

960
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: the growth and the strikes that we had made to

961
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 5: where like one, two, three.

962
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 4: It didn't matter. We were just trying to win, man.

963
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: I think that was it. It was like if we win,

964
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: like who cares?

965
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 3: Mentally? In twenty fifteen sixteen, that year, that's your breakout year.

966
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: You start averaging thirty one minutes a game. You know

967
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, You average a dub. After that season, like,

968
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: well you weren't in after like halfway through and after

969
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: like how was you feeling mentally? Like now like you

970
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: know this, this is what I've been trying to get to,

971
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: and now I'm finally getting Like what did that feel

972
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 3: like to be in the league? You just averaging you

973
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: play eighty games, almost all the games, and then you

974
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: averaging a dub in the league and you like, now,

975
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 3: like what did that feel like?

976
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 5: I felt like the work had come full circle? I

977
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 5: think that was the biggest thing for me. It was like,

978
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 5: this is what you always wanted. I always prayed for

979
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 5: a chance, and I never asked for you know, outrageous thing.

980
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 5: I just just pray, like, just give me a chance.

981
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: All I need is a chance, and I won't blow it.

982
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 5: I'll take full advantage. And I finally got a chance,

983
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 5: and that's all I needed. And it was just reassuring

984
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 5: to be able to see the work that you put

985
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: in as a kid, you know, ten years old, fifteen,

986
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, and it was just like wow, Like

987
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 5: if you really do work and do things the right way,

988
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 5: have the right approach, you a good human being, great

989
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 5: things happened for you, and you just got to be

990
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 5: patient because I think as a kid, and even as

991
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 5: a young adult, you want everything right away. You're thinking

992
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 5: that you're heapen what you sow right away, and it's

993
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 5: like no, you got to plant the.

994
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: Seat and let the see.

995
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, stack them days.

996
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 5: Stack those days and understand that you got to keep

997
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 5: water and your playing for your plan to grow. And

998
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 5: it's not gonna grow right away. You might come back

999
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 5: from a road trip and your planet just like your kids.

1000
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 5: Like right like, I've been away from my son and

1001
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 5: he looks different than he did when I left six

1002
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: days ago.

1003
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1004
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 5: It's just like you gotta be patient and understand that

1005
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 5: when it's meant to be, it's gonna be. And I'm

1006
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 5: just thankful that I had the patience. I'm thankful that

1007
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: the organization had the fortitude to withstand some injuries to

1008
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 5: with stand, you know, me not playing and then knowing that,

1009
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: like they see me behind the scenes, they see how

1010
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: I worked, they see my approach.

1011
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: They knew I was going to be good.

1012
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 5: So I don't think they were surprised because they seen

1013
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 5: me and our teammates, they see me. I think the

1014
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 5: rest of the league just didn't know to win the

1015
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 5: Most Improved that you like, what is that like? Because

1016
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 5: that's an award. I don't care what award it is.

1017
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: If you win an award in the league, and like

1018
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: that went to be you know, most Improved is a

1019
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: sign of your work. That's a nod directly to you

1020
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: working and improving. Like what if that feel like to

1021
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: earn that award?

1022
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 5: No, it was cool because it's funny. At first they

1023
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 5: was talking about most improvement. I was like in my head,

1024
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 5: I was like, I've been good.

1025
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: No, you get what I'm saying. Look about a younger

1026
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 4: version of yourself.

1027
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: I know, like.

1028
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: I just play thirty two minutes the ball now, But

1029
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 5: like when you look back at it, like as it progressed,

1030
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 5: you know, it was cool to just kind of see,

1031
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 5: like you said before, like how far I've come as

1032
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 5: a player as a person from a maturity standpoint to

1033
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 5: an understanding of what it takes to be a probe.

1034
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 4: My understanding of the business of basketball.

1035
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 5: Everything has grown so much, and it's just be recognizing

1036
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 5: that manner as a testament to Like you said, hard work,

1037
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 5: opportunity matters, but a lot of people get opportunities and

1038
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 5: they blow them and they're not ready.

1039
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: So when you grew up, like I know you, you

1040
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: worked out with your brother, and that was the person

1041
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: that you was watching. But who was some of the

1042
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: NBA guys or maybe even the college guys that you

1043
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: took a move here or something there from. He was like, man,

1044
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: that was that was my guy right there, and that's

1045
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: who I wanted to play like.

1046
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 5: I watched a lot of the Kobe and he rest

1047
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 5: in peace. I watched a lot of Kobe like interviews everything,

1048
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 5: just because of I seen the airballs, right Like, I

1049
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 5: wanted to watch guys that failed before they succeeded. I

1050
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 5: wanted to see how they handled it and like what

1051
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: type of work they put in to be successful. So

1052
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: a lot of Kobe, a lot of Ai to Cross

1053
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: and watch the documentary everything. Because he was small, he

1054
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 5: had to chip, but he was a dog. I watched

1055
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 5: a lot of Rip Hamilton because I played off the ball,

1056
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 5: so being able to just like live in the mid range, right,

1057
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 5: I got to be able to come off, come off

1058
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: pin downs.

1059
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 4: How do I reget my feet set?

1060
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 5: I watched a lot of sweet Ray like catch and shoot,

1061
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 5: beautiful jump shot played in the J's like he got game.

1062
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 5: I'm saying Jesus. So like, I watched a lot of

1063
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 5: them play. But then it was just more so like

1064
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 5: just I'm just doing film breakdowns on everything, like who's

1065
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 5: good at dribbling right, steal something, who's good at shooting

1066
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 5: not just off the dribble, who's catching shoot like foundational player.

1067
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 5: I will watch the balance, watch all of that, and

1068
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 5: then it was like who do I play? Like It's

1069
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 5: like I want to take some of that. I want

1070
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 5: to take some of that. I want to have a

1071
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 5: like a little mid post. I want to be able

1072
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: to get to the left elbow, the right elbow, and

1073
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 5: I would just steal.

1074
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: I still steal to this day.

1075
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: I watched Kyrie, I'm watching Clay's footwork, I'm watching Steph.

1076
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 5: I'm watching everybody that's nice all night in different areas,

1077
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 5: and I'm stealing their moves, adding I'm watching tomorrow mid

1078
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 5: post game, I'm watching the pump fakes us all like

1079
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 5: I want to see it.

1080
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: And then in the.

1081
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 5: Summertime, I will pull up like I will pull up

1082
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 5: to get some work in I want. I'm stealing everything

1083
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 5: I need to get better, and I think that's a

1084
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 5: sign that that's a sign of growth maturity, but also

1085
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 5: that I still love this game. Because I'm on League Pass,

1086
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 5: I got the iPad on my phone TV. I'm watching

1087
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 5: three games in them FaceTime.

1088
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, because I was just all often to

1089
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: ask you, like, these days, these guys play basketball, but

1090
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: they don't watch it like you grew up watching. I

1091
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: used to go to my high school girls games. I

1092
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: used to just anything that was pertaining the basketball. I

1093
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: watched everything.

1094
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: That's who we are.

1095
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: But these guys don't watch.

1096
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: But how important it is to watch basketball? Because I

1097
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: watched League past so much. When I walked in the gym,

1098
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: I already knew the scouting report and what they did

1099
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: because I already I'll be watching three four games a night.

1100
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: How important is it to just watch the game and

1101
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: just to see the game.

1102
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 5: It's super important. I talked to CP about this all

1103
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 5: the time. I watched The Signs a lot too.

1104
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: I love It's one of my favorite right now though.

1105
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: It's like the purest form of basketball play. But I

1106
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 5: never understood why guys didn't watch basketball. It gives you,

1107
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: It gives you the answers to the text you to test.

1108
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: Like we played Memphis, right, Memphis on the back to back,

1109
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 5: they about to go play Portland. I bet you four

1110
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 5: out of those fifteen players is probably watching the game.

1111
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 5: The other eight or nine didn't watch it. It's like

1112
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 5: you about to see the players that they're gonna run,

1113
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: how they gonna guard, picking rolls, who sits in the drop,

1114
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: the pace of the game, the flow of the game, tendencies.

1115
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 5: I just never understood it. But like you said, like

1116
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: I'm a hoop junkie, I really love basketball. Cep really

1117
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 5: loves basketball like everybody don't really love it.

1118
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: It's weird to me though, because for me to be

1119
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: like I've always been like this and he liked this.

1120
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: Most of my tightest problems. We are the same way.

1121
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: So when I like when I I remember when I

1122
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: was working in director the player development for Detroit Pistons,

1123
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: and I remember I'm not gonna say I remember going

1124
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: to somebody's room and I'm like, you know, everybody, I

1125
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: played two K. I play video games and shit, but

1126
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: like my TV always on the games, you know what

1127
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like if it's some ESPN, tn T games

1128
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: or whatever. I remember coming to the room and I'm like, man,

1129
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: you got the game on, you got your you got

1130
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: the damn game hooked up to the game TV.

1131
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, bro, like what you doing?

1132
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 6: And I was like when I was really realizing, like, y'all,

1133
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 6: boys don't mean watch basketball, man, Like that's why you

1134
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 6: don't know what you you're guarding about to do against

1135
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 6: you if you just watch the game, like Bro, we

1136
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 6: watched like Bro.

1137
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: Catino, Mobley, Paul Pierce, all these people. I gotta go

1138
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: know every move you're doing. Now, I just gotta learn

1139
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 3: how to stop it. But I know what you're about

1140
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: to do. I've seen it too many times. Right, y'all

1141
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: don't even watch hoop bro, Like that's that's foreign to me.

1142
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: I don't understand how Like, all right, if it's summertime,

1143
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: they know hoop on. Like I get sick when it

1144
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: comes to the time where it's baseball and soccer on

1145
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: my TV. Screen in tennis or something like when they

1146
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: know hoop on, I'll be like, oh, man, like you

1147
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, what is we gonna do?

1148
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: But I don't understand people that hoop and don't watch basketball.

1149
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: That's foreign, it's wildness. It's a younger generation, like you said,

1150
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 3: and I think it just stems from how we was wired.

1151
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: We wired differently, like we really watched. I wanted to

1152
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: see how the refs is refing games. I want to

1153
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 3: know what they call, what they not calling.

1154
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: You can't talk to Joey, I ain't talking to Joy.

1155
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: Who I can push off and they're not gonna call

1156
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: my push I.

1157
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: Don't even learn the young boy, don't even learn these

1158
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: referees officials names like that was one of the first

1159
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: things I o GS taught us when we got in

1160
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: the league.

1161
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: Wet.

1162
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: We used to the room and go look at the

1163
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: pictures in the in the name so you can go

1164
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: speak to him.

1165
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 4: You go out there, that match the little stuff. Man,

1166
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 4: But like everybody not built like that.

1167
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: Tell me it's this true.

1168
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: You know I heard you you missed the bus coming

1169
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: on to New Orleans when you first got traded.

1170
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: Tell us all about that. Story wait house way like

1171
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: how they.

1172
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 4: Forget you listen, So trade gets confirmed right I'm packing.

1173
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 5: I had probably already started packing it from being honest,

1174
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 5: So I'm getting everything ready like the week of like

1175
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 5: I'm about to get traded.

1176
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: Tell my wife like yo, like we're gonna have to

1177
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 4: leave soon.

1178
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to leave, you know what I'm saying,

1179
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 5: Like this is how it's going out a transition, gonna go.

1180
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: I never did this before. I'm gonna have to go

1181
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: to the city.

1182
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 5: Whatever whatever you come, and you came, do whatever, whatever

1183
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 5: you bring a little man. We gotta get a dog

1184
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 5: sitter for our dog because you ain't coming like right

1185
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 5: away and whatever.

1186
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1187
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: I'm like, Bet they call me, They're like, hey, when

1188
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: do you wanna come? I'm like asap, like.

1189
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 5: Rocky, but I got a doctor's appumming for my little man.

1190
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: This is one month and I don't want to miss

1191
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 5: it since I'm gonna be gone, So can we leave

1192
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 5: at four o'clock? They're like, yeah, we can leave at

1193
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 5: four o'clock. Bet, call my agent. I'm leaving at four

1194
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 5: o'clock tomorrow.

1195
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 4: Wheneverever.

1196
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: Little man got an appointment at twelve, it's an hour

1197
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 5: there hour back. We're gonna be there for about forty

1198
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 5: five minutes.

1199
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: Cool.

1200
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 5: I packed the night before. Everything's ready, bags by the door,

1201
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 5: car service ready whatever. I'm taking my time, Eat lunch, eat,

1202
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 5: eat lunch with my wife, my kids, say my goodbyes.

1203
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: Take a picture, a little man.

1204
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: Get in the car.

1205
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: I'm doing the Player's Tribune article for.

1206
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 5: Like by Portland on my way to the airport. I

1207
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 5: get to the airport, I get to the gate and

1208
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 5: and the drivers like reading the tail number. And I

1209
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 5: don't know the tail around nothing.

1210
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: I know.

1211
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 5: I know that missus Benson Central plane and that I'm

1212
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 5: leaving at four o'clock late, like that plane left. I'm

1213
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 5: on the phone, I would have phone. She's like, the

1214
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 5: plane left. I'm like, what hold, I'm gonna call you back.

1215
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 5: I hang up the phone and the driver's like, she's

1216
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 5: saying the plane left. I said, read the tail again,

1217
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 5: so she re reads. Dealt to it and she says,

1218
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the plane. The plane is over. Boise,

1219
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 5: the plane already left. It's over, boys, I said, pulled

1220
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 5: the car around and going in aviation. So he pulled

1221
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 5: a car out and going in aviation. And I asked

1222
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 5: the lady because like I fly private on occasion. It's

1223
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 5: way too much money. But I've done it before, so

1224
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 5: I know the lady there. She's like, yeah, that plane

1225
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 5: left like thirty five forty minutes ago. I said, who

1226
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 5: was on the plane?

1227
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: Was on the plane's?

1228
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: I said it was Tony on the plane.

1229
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: It was like I think so.

1230
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 4: I said it was a tall black guy.

1231
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah.

1232
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 4: I text Tony.

1233
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: I said, did you leave? Bro?

1234
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 4: Did you leave me?

1235
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: Bro?

1236
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 5: Tony got a BlackBerry. If you know about the blackberries,

1237
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 5: they don't work on planes. So the no responds. I

1238
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 5: called my agent, I actually from my agency, and I said, Yo,

1239
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 5: I think the plane left.

1240
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 4: I hit my wife. She's like, what does that mean?

1241
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: My wife was like, does that mean you call me back? Called?

1242
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: I said, I said, now they're gonna have to sit

1243
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: another plane. Whatever. I see Tony and I'm like, bro,

1244
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: what's up?

1245
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: Bro?

1246
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 5: Like he said, honestly, see like I was up. He

1247
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 5: got kids, Like I was with the kids all night

1248
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 5: and I just got on the plane. I went to sleep.

1249
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 5: He said, I ain't see you, and I thought that

1250
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 5: you left me. I said, so when you seen that

1251
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 5: I wasn't on the plane and you thought that I

1252
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 5: left you. You didn't think they call me? He said, Bro,

1253
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry.

1254
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

1255
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: They woke him up while he was sleeping, said we

1256
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: got turned around to go get CJ.

1257
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: They turned around and waited.

1258
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 5: I was I wasn't mad, like God's playing like I'm

1259
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 5: just thankful that like I'm in a positioning where like

1260
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: these is the first world problems.

1261
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: Like they got to turn the jet around to come get.

1262
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: Legal.

1263
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: U turn in, the.

1264
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: U turn and the sky came back.

1265
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 4: The lady was like, the place look like it's turning. Oh,

1266
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 4: it made a circle, it's turning around.

1267
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 3: So you you mentioned that you know that the team

1268
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: Portland worked with you and and got you to a

1269
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: place where you, so to speak, wanted to go. So

1270
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 3: what was it about New Orleans now that you hear

1271
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 3: you know you you had a couple of games under

1272
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: your belt. What was attractive about this your situation for you?

1273
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 5: I think it was a combination of things. The culture

1274
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 5: of the city, the people, the love. You can feel it,

1275
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I felt it from

1276
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 5: Afar like playing here, we got swept by the Pelicans.

1277
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 5: You know, when Drew and a d was here, but

1278
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 5: just the atmosphere. And if you do what you're supposed

1279
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 5: to do in the town, in the city like this,

1280
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 5: you'll be love forever. And if you embrace them somewhere

1281
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 5: the same way that they embrace you, you can become legendary.

1282
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 5: And it's not even necessarily about that. I want to

1283
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 5: be where I was wanted, where I was needed. There's

1284
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 5: a lot of culture here, a lot of diversity. The

1285
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 5: food is fired, and they got a lot of young talent.

1286
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 5: They got a lot of really good basketball players. Coach

1287
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 5: by Willie Green, former player they got traded.

1288
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: It's the GM.

1289
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 5: They got Griff Zion, bi JV. You know what I'm saying,

1290
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 5: d Graham, Herb.

1291
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of talent on this roster, and

1292
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: I think I can get the most finely.

1293
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 5: Out of my career, out of my situation, out of

1294
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 5: my development, but also out of the guys, Like I

1295
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 5: know what it takes to win.

1296
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 4: I've seen it, I've done it.

1297
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 5: I've played in Portland, I played alongside one of the

1298
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 5: top seventy five greatest players of all time. Like, I

1299
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 5: know what it takes to be successful consistently, and I

1300
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 5: can not only tell you about it, but I can

1301
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 5: show you because I've done.

1302
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 4: It, and I think that, you know, I'm just what

1303
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 4: they're needed.

1304
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 5: They're just what I needed, especially at this stage in

1305
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 5: my life, and I think there's no better time for

1306
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 5: me to be ready. Thirty years old. I've been in

1307
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 5: the playoffs eight straight years. We're going to try to

1308
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 5: make it nine.

1309
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: Hey, listen twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. That it's beautiful your fu.

1310
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 3: July twenty seven when you sign up for year extension?

1311
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: What was that? Like? Like?

1312
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 3: That was that was beat? B dabe that that's Oh,

1313
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 3: that's the BRAINK truck pulling into the driveway.

1314
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: Don't worry about that.

1315
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: How what did that was?

1316
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: July last twenty seven? Time is flying two thousand city.

1317
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: That's how I see how Hey, public service.

1318
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: Now, this is how you act when you get used

1319
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 3: to it and you add on to the little money

1320
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: and she had when you first got it was a

1321
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: big deal.

1322
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: He like, that's what it was.

1323
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 4: He like, nah, I almost cried.

1324
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm being honest. It's funny.

1325
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 5: Like I remember going through negotiations and seeing what guys

1326
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 5: were signing for, and like, you know, I always say

1327
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 5: comparisons to deep of joy. So I never compare myself

1328
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 5: to people, but like, contract is a contract, right, So

1329
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 5: you're kind of looking around, see what guys getting.

1330
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 4: You're like happy, Like I'm never envious, like happy for people.

1331
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 5: I want to see everybody get paid, especially people that

1332
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 5: come from circumstances like the ones in which we come from.

1333
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 5: So I was happy to see guys get paid. I

1334
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 5: knew my payday was coming, and it actually was in Vegas.

1335
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 5: My now wife was my girlfriend at the time. We

1336
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 5: was in Vegas and I think it's for Summer League,

1337
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 5: and I was about to fly to TBT to watch

1338
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 5: my brother play. He was playing in that tvt turn

1339
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 5: every year they wanted four times shout out to my brother.

1340
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 5: But I was about to fly to Philly. I had

1341
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 5: a plane ticket to Philly. I think this is when

1342
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 5: I was still flying emergency exit bro and I had

1343
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 5: an emergency exit rod ticket to Philly to go watch

1344
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 5: my brother playing the TVT My agent was like, where

1345
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 5: are you. I was like, I'm in Vegas. I was like,

1346
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 5: I fly to Philly tomorrow to go see my brother.

1347
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 5: He was like, don't get on the plane.

1348
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: I was like why.

1349
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 5: He's like, I think we're gonna have your deal done

1350
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 5: by the night. And I was like, oh, we're getting

1351
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 5: it done that fast, like the agency kind of just started.

1352
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, like I got some time. He said, don't leave,

1353
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 5: and he's like, don't hoop for the next few days

1354
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 5: cause I was working out in Vegas.

1355
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: He's like, don't hoop. I don't want you getting hurt.

1356
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I'm in Vegas, can't leave,

1357
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 4: can't hoop.

1358
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: What I'm gonna do.

1359
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna play black jack.

1360
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 5: So I take my little fifty dollars and I go play,

1361
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 5: you know, fifteen dollars hands a black jack.

1362
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 4: I'm cheap. And he calls me and he was like, yeah,

1363
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 4: I think we're going to get a deal done. And

1364
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 4: I was like, how many years.

1365
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 5: He's like this is four year? One four years. It's

1366
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 5: like four years, okay. He was like one hundred and

1367
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 5: six million. I said one hundred and six what.

1368
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: About the.

1369
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: Big one.

1370
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: For me?

1371
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, six millions. Like congratulations, it'll be done.

1372
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 5: Like he's like, what's sign the papers? I said, I

1373
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 5: can sign the papers right now. Now, tell them tell

1374
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 5: them doc your side, the use it. I said, we

1375
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 5: can just do this now.

1376
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 4: I do the person. You gotta do a physical or whatever.

1377
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1378
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 5: It was like, when can your family make it the

1379
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 5: press conference? I said, for a one hundred and six million,

1380
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 5: they can make the press conference.

1381
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1382
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: On the way, I'm about to sit down and wrap

1383
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: myself in bubble wrap.

1384
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: Just wait, y'all get the papers and don't make sure

1385
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: that nothing happened to man.

1386
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 4: We went out into nothing that night. It was a

1387
00:56:53,840 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 4: good night. Came back to Portland smiling. I'm riding bikes around.

1388
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 5: Pushed out around mikes round down town poland just people

1389
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 5: looking at me like what's wrong with him?

1390
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 4: Like they have no idea.

1391
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: I always like to ask, what did CJ do to

1392
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: treat himself after all this, all this hard work and

1393
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: everything you did. I ain't talking about what you did

1394
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: for mom well nobody. I'm talking about what you did

1395
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: that you know, like this was all me and I

1396
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: probably won't do it no more because you old and

1397
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 3: more mature now. But I want to hear something reckless,

1398
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: if there's anything reckless now.

1399
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: There was nothing crazy like I had bought.

1400
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 5: I bought my mama car, I bought my daddy car.

1401
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 5: Nothing crazy, my dad's car. We actually didn't buy him

1402
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: on into like twenty eighteen. I think second deal, second

1403
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 5: cause he's he already had a nice, nice little he was.

1404
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 4: He was already all right, pops. Pops worked thirty years.

1405
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: He was good.

1406
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 5: Moms had a nice car too. But I want to

1407
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 5: take care of her first, So we took care of

1408
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 5: her first. But I didn't buy nothing cry. I bought

1409
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 5: a chain, not these ones. I bought a bigger cross

1410
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 5: that I still wear, which was like ten racks is

1411
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 5: a lot.

1412
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 4: And then I bought a sweet.

1413
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 5: I like to go to Browns games, right, So I

1414
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 5: liked sporting events. I like to create moments that like

1415
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 5: I can remember I remember as a kid, like watching

1416
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 5: the Browns on TV. Now I can go to like

1417
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 5: football games. So I got a sweet for like a

1418
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 5: bunch of my friends and family, and that was a lot.

1419
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 5: I was a bigger, bigger ticket, like thirty RECs. But

1420
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 5: that's all I did, Like I didn't do nothing crazy,

1421
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 5: Like I was back to the I signed the contract

1422
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 5: out in between the workout, I worked.

1423
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 4: I signed a contract. I went and worked out. I

1424
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: drove my little.

1425
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 5: Baby bends home. They called they called my bands the

1426
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 5: baby Mama band. It was a small one, not the

1427
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 5: big point, because I was just.

1428
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: Like a, so how long before you traded in?

1429
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 4: Got big boy, got that baby Mama bands.

1430
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 5: But what I did do was I did get a

1431
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 5: deal with Chevy the next year, so I was driving

1432
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 5: to Chevy for free, like I was, like I always thought,

1433
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 5: bigger picture, I wasn't gonna buy a car into it

1434
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 5: was the car I really wanted. So I had to

1435
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 5: deal with Chevy, and then I got to deal with Mercedes.

1436
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 5: So I ended up the first like really nice card

1437
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 5: to ask the Martin. But that wasn't until like two thousand.

1438
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: Well, James Bond, you still got the baby Mama Ben.

1439
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 4: I still got the Baby Mama Ben.

1440
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: Who gets the baby Mama Ben?

1441
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 4: So anybody that comes to visit me, they get to

1442
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 4: drive the Baby Mama Ben.

1443
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: That's that's the kick around.

1444
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 4: That's the kick of color the Homies.

1445
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 5: It's a it's a candy red candy apple red candy

1446
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 5: windows on the back. Instead of it saying like something

1447
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 5: something some MG, it's a C J M three AMG.

1448
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: All right, So now if y'all see the baby Mama Bens,

1449
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: make sure y'all too that hor Now you said supposed

1450
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: to be a what.

1451
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 5: It's it's a C L A forty five AMG. But

1452
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 5: it's a CJM three AMG. It's a small for I know.

1453
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 5: That's what I bought myself.

1454
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: Just lets me know that he way too frugal in life.

1455
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys. Look, he said, you gotta

1456
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: listen to context. He said, I got a Chevy deal

1457
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: where I got free call dec and I got biz

1458
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 3: did where I got a free cars.

1459
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: So he ain't you know, he ain't up about a

1460
00:59:59,520 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 2: lot of money.

1461
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I got I gotta made back.

1462
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: Let me bring that back my back.

1463
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: Oh maybe music eighty four bottles at the Bubble, and

1464
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: you had to keep your room at sixty eighty four

1465
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: bottles of wine you had to keep your room temperature

1466
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: under sixty.

1467
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 4: That sounds like I got a problem. Here's the thing.

1468
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 5: It was water you at Floyd you down there with us,

1469
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 5: but pajamas in a hoodio like a hood on.

1470
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: That's what you.

1471
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 5: Here's the thing though, like I like, I enjoy certain

1472
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 5: things in real estate, wine, stuff like that. So I

1473
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 5: saved my money for those types of investments. But the

1474
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 5: wine was more so I have my own wine here.

1475
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 5: It's ninety one. So I actually brought three hundred bottles

1476
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 5: into the bubble, but I dispersed them. I gave them

1477
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 5: away to staff players from all the teams because it

1478
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 5: was it was a case study to see if they

1479
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 5: really liked it. It wasn't like a situation. It was

1480
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 5: more like pop people that really like wine. I wanted

1481
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 5: to make sure they taste my wine. I get on

1482
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 5: his feedback, you.

1483
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 2: I would love to get. I got you. I see

1484
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: my wife.

1485
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 4: The wine Personal Rose comes out next month, so I

1486
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 4: got you.

1487
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 5: I put you in the million lients I have it

1488
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 5: sent Actually is gonna watch this interview, so I'll make

1489
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 5: sure that she sends you a nice little care passage.

1490
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 5: But I had a lot of bottle, but mellow likes

1491
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 5: wine like JJ Reddick were drinking with a bunch of

1492
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 5: like wine heads, so we exchanging wines. I'm gifting wines

1493
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 5: to staff, so I gave away they gave way three

1494
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 5: hundred bottles.

1495
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: So what's the feedback that you get from.

1496
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 4: People really messed with my wine? It sells out, so

1497
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 4: that I read that you you just bought like a wine.

1498
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: Play the farm where they get three.

1499
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: Hundred eighteen acres out there in Portland, you know all

1500
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 3: about like a man sea friends, trying to fry out

1501
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: there doing this thing.

1502
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: So tell me about that. How what's going on with that?

1503
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: With the three hundred and eighteen acres.

1504
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 5: So I've been working on this for a while. Like

1505
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 5: you asked me, what I do, Like, I hoop, but

1506
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 5: I'm also like a bus man. I'm a business oriented

1507
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 5: person who thinks about business man. I think about the future.

1508
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 5: I think about my life when and I'm no longer hooping.

1509
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 5: How I wanted to look and what I want to

1510
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 5: pass down to my now son. And you know, however

1511
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 5: many more kids we have, like I want to make

1512
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 5: sure that, like my parents' life is better than their parents,

1513
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 5: my life is better than my parents. And I want

1514
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 5: his life to be better than mine. So that's what

1515
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 5: I really been thinking about the next generation. And you know,

1516
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 5: I created my wine label. My wife actually introduced me

1517
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 5: to wine in college. I created the wine label. I

1518
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 5: put the flower, like her favorite flower on the bottle and.

1519
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 4: Kind of did all that stuff.

1520
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 5: And now the next step was was to learn about

1521
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 5: the business of wine the last five years and to purchase,

1522
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 5: you know, a vineyard. So I purchased the land to

1523
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 5: build out a vineyard, and I'm actually starting to plant now.

1524
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 5: I planted my first seven acres next month. My farm

1525
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 5: manager shot out to my guy Simon, they're doing great work.

1526
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 5: And this is a business where I thought about the future.

1527
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 5: I don't need to be there to run a business.

1528
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 5: It's like just like whoever owns McDonald's, the Waltons or

1529
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 5: whatever they not in all the McDonald's.

1530
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 4: No, you hire competent people to run your business.

1531
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 5: And that's where I'm at now to where I'll eventually

1532
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 5: plan out one hundred and fifty to two hundred acres.

1533
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 5: I'll have a nursery eighteen acre nursery on the property

1534
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 5: where we'll sell flowers, things of that nature. I'm going

1535
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 5: to eventually build out trails for horseback riding and stuff

1536
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 5: like that. There's a lot of different attractions I'm going

1537
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 5: to have on the property, farm to table.

1538
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 4: I want to do all of that stuff.

1539
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 5: But it's a slow build where I'll start with the

1540
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 5: wine first and then the next two years I'll lay

1541
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 5: out master planning.

1542
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 4: It'll be a year and a half build out for

1543
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 4: my vineyard.

1544
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 5: In airbnb're gonna have to pull up on you and

1545
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 5: see what that be like, man, yeah.

1546
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 4: For sure, it'll be like.

1547
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 5: We're in twenty twenty two. I'll be producing wine for

1548
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 5: my actual veneyard right now. I have rape contracts with

1549
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 5: Alis Simon, some of my partners. I'll be producing wine

1550
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 5: from my actual vineyard probably in twenty twenty five, like

1551
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 5: it'll be like from my soil, and then my actual

1552
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 5: buildout'll be done like twenty five or twenty six. I

1553
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 5: say three years. I'll be like three years from now,

1554
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 5: like my vineyard should be like y'all can pull up.

1555
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: That's crazy, three given three and a half. Because I'm

1556
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 4: gonna take my time.

1557
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: In the bubble.

1558
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: Room on sixty Did you have to put on your

1559
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: hoodie right before you walked in your room?

1560
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: Because I know it was.

1561
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 4: Hood hood up for sure. Like you take sleep with Beanie,

1562
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 4: sleep with Beanie on all of that.

1563
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 5: Sometimes I sleep with like mid West kid, like sixty days,

1564
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 5: fifty five, sixty days.

1565
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: That was done too much that you.

1566
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 4: That's crazy sleeping hoodie savage. For a lot of folks.

1567
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 4: It was tough out there, man, it was. I told

1568
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 4: her it was like it was.

1569
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: We was ten minutes from y'all in one coming nowhere

1570
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 3: near ten minutes. We stayed ten minutes from Disney or

1571
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 3: Land though, Bro we didn't want no part.

1572
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: It was a ride by, like look at them over there,

1573
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: like like a big it's the biggest AU tournament.

1574
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 5: Natually, you play a game, right and you go to

1575
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 5: like another hotel and you like kicking it by the

1576
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 5: pool and it's just like a bunch of like guys

1577
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 5: playing cards over here, sharing drinks over there. I'm like, Kevi.

1578
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 5: It was with the Celtics. I'm like, that's one of

1579
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 5: my guys. I'm like, yo, I'm gonna bring some wine when.

1580
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: We kick it.

1581
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 4: It was just a really good vibe like all the

1582
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 4: we were away from our families and stuff.

1583
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: It was tough.

1584
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 5: It was the safest we had probably felt in years.

1585
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 5: Like peak COVID. We all tested three times a day.

1586
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, dang, tell me about being elected to president of

1587
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 3: the NBPA.

1588
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: You know, how did that? Like what does that entail?

1589
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 4: And now you liked a lot of work? Hell, presidente,

1590
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 4: It's a lot of work.

1591
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 5: But I think for me, I talked about it being

1592
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 5: the next step in my maturation process was to figure

1593
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 5: out how to make it better for all of us

1594
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 5: as a whole going forward. And I'm thankful for how

1595
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 5: the game was when I got there, but I want

1596
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 5: to leave it better than when I found it. And

1597
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 5: by that I mean education, I mean the business side

1598
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 5: of basketball. I mean really teaching young players.

1599
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 4: And you came out of high school.

1600
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 5: Financial literacy is huge, how to budget, how to hire

1601
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 5: the right people. We're in a position out of where

1602
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 5: we make a lot of money, but we don't come

1603
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 5: from money, most of us. We don't come from people

1604
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 5: who know how to grow your mind. We don't come

1605
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 5: from people who know how to hire a financial advisor.

1606
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 5: I didn't even like coming out.

1607
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: Like I need a financial bviser, you know what I mean?

1608
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 4: Like you don't know these types of things.

1609
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 5: And I want to make sure we're teaching our guys,

1610
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 5: but also you know, instilling on the importance of education,

1611
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 5: not just not just going to college, but really learning

1612
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 5: about certain skills that you want to apply to your life.

1613
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 5: Like what do you want to do when you retire?

1614
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 5: All right, let's work on post career work. Now, why

1615
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 5: people still mess with you because when you retire it's different.

1616
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: Hey, it don't be a conversation too.

1617
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: Example, you can put yourself in the whole now it's

1618
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: a conversation to do it when you can go on

1619
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: ahead and do it early.

1620
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: Our families don't come from financial literacy.

1621
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: I'll be telling people like you sit down at the

1622
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: table with your mom, dad, brothers, sisters, whoever, and you

1623
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: not have one conversation about like communication, about real conversation

1624
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: about life and stuff like this. How you supposed to

1625
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: pay a bill, how you supposed to do this, how

1626
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do that.

1627
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 3: I can't remember having a conversation this when I was

1628
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 3: with the Magic tow at the end of my career.

1629
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 3: Me we were on a plane. I can't remember playing

1630
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 3: bus whatever going somewhere. Me Jamier and Nelson and JJ

1631
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 3: Reddick were talking.

1632
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: And to hear.

1633
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 3: JJ's perspective after he got drafted, and to hear me

1634
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 3: and Jamiers was totally different, like you know, I'm sure

1635
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: you know, like we like, yeah, man, we gotta try

1636
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 3: and do this that, try and get Pops in them

1637
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 3: a crib.

1638
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: Like try to take care of the family. JJ looking

1639
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: at us like.

1640
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: No, I didn't have no My popsman was telling me

1641
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 3: to do this and do that, Like I didn't have

1642
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: to get them a house. I didn't have to get

1643
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: them a car, Like none of that's just like you said,

1644
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 3: we don't come from the same type situation, So it's

1645
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 3: not even the same type of situation we're going through

1646
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: when we when we do attain that money, we don't

1647
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 3: have the same type of knowledge being put into us

1648
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: or telling us like you know, hey, you do this,

1649
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 3: or that you do this to that.

1650
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: It's like, so we got to.

1651
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 3: Find our way a lot a lot of times more

1652
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 3: so than a lot of the people that don't come

1653
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: from the same scenarios as we do, So that that

1654
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: definitely stands out.

1655
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: How was it for you to interview the commissioner of

1656
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: the NBA, Like you know, we all we've seen. We

1657
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: came in with David Stern. You know, we see David,

1658
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: we see h Adam. You know, we shake hands, but

1659
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: we really don't have the time to interview. Now we

1660
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: never nobody know, none of the players really interview the commissioner,

1661
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: especially an interview on why you plan you know what

1662
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying in the league.

1663
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: So how was that for you?

1664
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 5: I have a very good relationship with Adam and it's

1665
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 5: stem I've known him since Draft night, but obviously before

1666
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,799
Speaker 5: he became the commissioner. You know, I knew him before

1667
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 5: he was Adam Silver, and I think we have an

1668
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 5: appreciation for each other and in the past we've taken

1669
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 5: to get to where we are. Obviously, I started off

1670
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 5: as a rookie, you know what I mean, and I'm

1671
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 5: kind of evolved into now, you know, a well known NBA.

1672
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 4: Player, president of the PA, all that stuff.

1673
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 5: And I think obviously what he's been able to do

1674
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 5: having a maneuver some tough situation with you know, COVID

1675
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 5: and a lot of stuff that we've had going on

1676
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 5: these last few years, he's done an admirable job. And

1677
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 5: I think for me, I don't generally get nervous about

1678
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 5: a lot of things, but just you know, trying to

1679
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 5: make the interview interesting while covering topics that are important,

1680
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 5: things that are happening in our league, things that are

1681
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 5: happening in our society, you know, figuring out, you know,

1682
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 5: how to balance all of those things. I think it's

1683
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 5: been cool and now it's just like it's just like

1684
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 5: having a conversation, you know, with anybody at this point

1685
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 5: to where you're just really comfortable.

1686
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 4: But I have a good relationship with him and the

1687
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 4: rest of the NBA, and I think for us.

1688
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 5: The biggest thing as a player is to really understand,

1689
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 5: like what we want to accomplish, what do we want

1690
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 5: to get out of these you know, on the court,

1691
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 5: off the court, and how do we maximize that for

1692
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 5: our players. And I'm just thankful to be one of

1693
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 5: the voices, you know, of the guys in the league.

1694
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 5: And like I said before, I'm here to help and

1695
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 5: make things as easy as possible. And CP's done a

1696
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 5: great job of helping me transition, and he did a

1697
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 5: great job with our league, especially getting benefits for retired

1698
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 5: players and a lot of things he was able to

1699
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 5: do during his tenure. Michelle was fantastic, sicking someone that

1700
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 5: I still talk to to this day, Michelle Robertson. She

1701
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 5: had a tremendous job. And now we're transitioning with Tamika,

1702
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 5: who's huge in finance, who's huge in the business background

1703
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 5: and comes from Deloitte where she not playing no games,

1704
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 5: and she understands what we want to accomplish as a

1705
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 5: whole and how sharp we want to be going forward

1706
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 5: as a union, as a league. And I tell the

1707
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 5: guys all the time, like we are CEOs right and

1708
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 5: we're responsible for generating billions of dollars.

1709
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 4: We need to act like it. We need to be

1710
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 4: on time to meetings.

1711
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 5: We need to be showing up the stuff that matters

1712
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 5: because the owners aren't missing meetings and they're always on

1713
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 5: the same accord. And I think we got to get

1714
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 5: to that point and we will, but we are all

1715
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 5: on the same fash.

1716
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1717
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: Well, I commend you, man like man, that's a big responsibility. Man,

1718
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: congratulations and man, thank you for even accepting that responsibility

1719
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: because all a bunch of players.

1720
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: And a lot of a lot of them like this,

1721
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: like y'all, I accept that.

1722
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: But that's big for us because we know it's taking

1723
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,799
Speaker 1: another step in the right direction.

1724
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 3: But listen, man, it's been real. I'm enlightened. I come

1725
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 3: away from this. I got a bigger appreciation for a

1726
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 3: bigger respect for you and how you go about things,

1727
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,520
Speaker 3: the way you came up and everything. Man, we appreciate

1728
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 3: you coming pulling up on us out here and a

1729
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 3: buy you. Man, we got very special everybody, And look

1730
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 3: at that, y'all.

1731
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: Might want to zoom.

1732
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 3: Man, you know them boys on the back. You know

1733
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. That's very special and very you know,

1734
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 3: it's a collectible edition. You got the NBA and you

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Speaker 3: got them boys on that them knuckleheads man, So we

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Speaker 3: appreciate you pulling up.

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Speaker 2: Thank you brother.

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Speaker 2: Forward to this all right.

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