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Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you were listening to the

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Speaker 1: Valvet Sedge podcast. This week. My guest is Kaylee Hammock,

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Speaker 1: who is one of the hottest up and coming singers

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Speaker 1: stopped me in my tracks the first time I heard it.

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Speaker 1: She is just twenty five years old, but she feels

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Speaker 1: like she has the wisdom of twice her age. We

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Speaker 1: talked about her road to Nashville, how our broken hearts

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Speaker 1: she is looking for in the next part of her

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Speaker 1: Crazy Singer Songwriter Journey. Here's Kaylee. Okay, So, what in

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Speaker 1: the world isn't the water in Georgia, Because when I

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Speaker 1: another country singer from Georgia. Oh my god. I love

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Speaker 1: that you said that. My dad is a well driller,

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Speaker 1: of the areas around us that Luke Bryan, Philip Phillips,

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Speaker 1: them came from um. So my dad loves to say

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Speaker 1: that it's something in the water that he did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he likes to pretend it's not going to do

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Speaker 1: with him. But yeah, I don't really know. To be

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Speaker 1: on us, I think that there's something there's something about

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Speaker 1: being raised in a place like that that is so

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Speaker 1: it moves that, I think what it does is it

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Speaker 1: of storytellers just wanting to tell their stories down there. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: so you're from Laville. Where exactly is that? Yeah, Laville,

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Speaker 1: Georgia's on the Alabama line, about an hour from the

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Speaker 1: Alabama line. It's more central West Georgia, but um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we grew up probably an hour from the Alabama line. Wow,

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Speaker 1: you're a self described hippie in a hillbilly town, which

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Speaker 1: I love. It's all somewhere that you said you always

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Speaker 1: what do you mean you wanted to be different? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. When I was really young, I just when

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just when I started singing,

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Speaker 1: then you, I've heard you do a couple of interviews

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Speaker 1: were you got a scholarship to go to Belma? Right?

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Speaker 1: Was that through singing? No? It was actually through UM.

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Speaker 1: I went to athletics and academics, so played tennis. UM

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Speaker 1: because I think you're right that what we grow up

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Speaker 1: like to have the full reminder, you know. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: What happens next? Yeah, so I snuck in talking Don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're doing anything wrong. I think you

431
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: just haven't met the right people. And so he called

432
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: two different people. He called Stephanie Cox at Cobalt, who

433
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: is now one of my best friends, one of my

434
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: nearest dearest friends in the world. And he called Cindy Foreman,

435
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: who is now my publisher a Universal Publishing UM. I

436
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: met with both of them. I became long lasting friends

437
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: with Stephanie and Cindy and I started working together instantly.

438
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: She heard the songs called me the next day, and

439
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 1: that was the first time of publishing house that called

440
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: me the day after a meeting to tell me, you know,

441
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: they enjoyed it, and I thought that was weird. And slowly,

442
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: a few weeks later she um put a deal on

443
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: the table and I just cried like a little girl.

444
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: But it was really cool. I got my publishing deal,

445
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: and pretty much what that did was it gave me

446
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: the first corner stone of my career, Cindy Foreman. It

447
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: gave me a publisher who saw that I was trying

448
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: to create something different and new and I was just

449
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: starting out, and she put me in rooms with great

450
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: writers that helped me cultivate my craft and grow as

451
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: a writer and an artist, and also let me grow

452
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: as a producer. It taught me so much more about

453
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: the production side of this that I was always terrified of.

454
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: I never felt comfortable in the studio because I loved singing,

455
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: but whenever I'd bring my original music in, I felt

456
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: like I got lost somewhere between the vocal booth and

457
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: the mix I got back later. You know, I'd go

458
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: in there and sing, and I try to be myself,

459
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: and then once the other musicians came in, it didn't

460
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: sound like me anymore. It sounded like a demo. It

461
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: sounded like the kind of stuff I got paid a

462
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to go sing on at a little studio

463
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: down the street for people. And that wasn't what I wanted.

464
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: I didn't want what everyone else was doing, and you know,

465
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: I wanted to be different. So, UM, the two and

466
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: a half years that I wrote at Universal Publishing, just

467
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: as a staff writer, trying to write for other people. UM,

468
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 1: sometimes they would put me in a room and they go, hey, right,

469
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: for Carrie Underwood today. And then I wrote Family Tree

470
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: in one of the rooms that I was supposed to

471
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: write for Carrie Underwood, and I remember sending it in

472
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: and um, I think it was Cindy that said it.

473
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: She was like, Carrie Underwood is not going to sing

474
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: a song about getting high school high And I was like, yeah,

475
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: but I would, I would, you know. So it was

476
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: so funny. I sometimes I was so frustrated when, um,

477
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: I'd have to go right for someone else because I

478
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: would almost write for someone else and then I'd find

479
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: some edgy line that I was like, oh, I've never

480
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: heard this before. I throw it in and they'd be

481
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: like what No, Like I mean, it's cool, but not

482
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: for this artist. I don't think they're gonna say it.

483
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: And what really happened was I just wrote, wrote, wrote,

484
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: kept my head down and my publisher, Cindy was slowly

485
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: collecting all these songs that she thought sounded like me

486
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: and were me, and um, she wasn't pitching them. So

487
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: I'd ask her, like, hey, how that song goes? She's

488
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: like good, good, No one, you know, no one took it,

489
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, dangn. I didn't know that she

490
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: was keeping all these so that I would have something

491
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: to build my artistry on. She had the foresight that

492
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have at the time, and um, anyways, yeah,

493
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: God's blessed me with good people, thank God. But um yeah,

494
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: we got together and one day we sat down and

495
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: she went, I think you need to make your own

496
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: record now. I think we got enough. And I was like, yeah,

497
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: but I don't want to work with these big people.

498
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: We named a few big names in town that I

499
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: love and I respect and one day would be great

500
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: to work with. But my thing is, I was like,

501
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: when I go in with someone that much bigger than me,

502
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: I've never heard ever, I've never been heard when I

503
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: worked with some big time producer, and I was like,

504
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: I want to be a producer. I want to co

505
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: produce my stuff. I may not know all the technical terms,

506
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: but I can make any sound with my voice that

507
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: I want on the record. So let me go in

508
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: there and sing and have someone interpret me. Let me learn.

509
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: I just I want to try. I want to put

510
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: my hand to it. And um, when we started talking

511
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: about producers and studios, I told her that I wanted

512
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: someone young like me because in my career, God's blessed

513
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: me the most with very young, eager people that have

514
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: not got to make their mark on the world yet

515
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: and they want to make their mark and I want

516
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: to make my mark. And when you have people that

517
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: are like minded like that, I feel like you just

518
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: build a really strong inner circle of people. And um,

519
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: I wanted someone young. They wanted to prove themselves in

520
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: country music. And Mikey Reeves was another writer at Universal

521
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: Publishing that the first time he wrote together. We wrote

522
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: this song about aren't we all just trying to mean something?

523
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: Aren't we all just trying to be something to somebody else?

524
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: And that was kind of the same sentiment that I

525
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: was trying to get across in this production process, you know,

526
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: I just I wanted it to mean some thing. At

527
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: the end, I wanted to sound like me and Mikey

528
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: was willing to take that risk. So we went into

529
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: his little studio. It's this little brick studio with no windows,

530
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: very viby, but we kind of lived in that hole

531
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: for a while. Uh. We do ten twelve hour days

532
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: and it's just me and him with one computer screen

533
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: and we would just put weird sounds on it. We

534
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: worked on Family Tree first and we added weird stuff

535
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: to it. We beg our friends to come in and

536
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: play on the record and go, hey, we'll pay you

537
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 1: when we have money. Is that all right? And they

538
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, that's fine. Um, because we had about

539
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: a five demo budget that we were trying to make

540
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: it under and uh yeah, so we did. We finally

541
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: finished it. It probably took fifty sixty hours of me

542
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: and Mikey working on it by ourselves, and slowly but

543
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: surely we started working on some other songs. And then

544
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: my house burns down and then uh, Mary Hilliard meets me,

545
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: my manager, and she was like, I'm gonna work with you.

546
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I think that this music I've never heard anything like it,

547
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: and I want to help you put it in the world.

548
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I just had an electrical fire where

549
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: I lost everything while I was on a writing trip

550
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: and my whole life kind of flipped upside down about

551
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: the time I thought I was finally a self sufficient

552
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: adult with her own garden bed in the yard and

553
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: make you know, like I'm starting to have savings. What

554
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: is right? And oh my gosh, plot twist. And I

555
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: told Mary when she said she wanted to work with me,

556
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: that I had nothing left to lose, literally, so why not?

557
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: And I think that that was exactly where I needed

558
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: to be to make a jump like that. And after that,

559
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: Mary put me in the studio with Mikey. She got

560
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: us really focused and we kept making this record. We

561
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: made four or five songs, and then Mary started leaking

562
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: it around town, just letting a few people hear it,

563
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: and the labels started getting really excited. So we went

564
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: in played it for everyone, got the offers we wanted

565
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: and used them for leverage to get the record deal

566
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: we really want it with Capitol Records. So you're kind

567
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: of touching on how important it is to surround yourself

568
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: with good people in this business, I think, But also

569
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: how important is it as an artist to really know,

570
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: like to have your vision of what you want your

571
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: career to look like. Oh, I think it's really important.

572
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: I I think that God blessing me with people that

573
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: could see, could have the foresight of what an artist's

574
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: life will be like before I even had the capacity

575
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: to fathom it. You know, I think that that was

576
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: the biggest blessing. Mary and Cindy both are I mean,

577
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: they're experts in their fields. They've done it for so

578
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: long and so successfully that God putting them in my

579
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: life was a blessing. I I honestly sometimes don't feel

580
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: like I know what I'm doing, but I just keep

581
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: doing it. I think that's the even if you don't

582
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, just keep doing it until it

583
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: does make sense to you. Because every now and then

584
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: I'll have a moment of clarity where I'll be like, whoa,

585
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: all this works so I could get here and this

586
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: is why this happened, and you know, blah blah blah.

587
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: But two weeks from now, I can tell you I

588
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: have no clue what I'm doing. Yeah, So is that

589
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: how you felt when you because with most of your

590
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: songs now you you're in the production process, like you said,

591
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: which that's rare for an artist to be fully that

592
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: in the process. But do you feel like you're figuring

593
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: that out and learning? And oh, yeah, I've learned so

594
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: much about myself by making this record. Yeah, I've learned

595
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: what really is important to me. I've learned what isn't

596
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: important to me um and also sonically, what my identity is.

597
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: It's still fluid, it's still changing. I think everyone's sonic

598
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: identity is constantly improving and changing. But I started to

599
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: kind of figure out what sounds like me and what

600
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: sounds make me happy, and kind of figuring out what

601
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: my connection with the world was. Well, what am I

602
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: supposed to bring to this world? You know? What is that?

603
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: What do you think? You know? I asked myself that

604
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: every day and I feel like another answer comes up

605
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: and a few more questions. But it's one of those

606
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: things that I think I was given this voice, and

607
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: I was given this this yearning to do something in

608
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: this world, to try and be who I needed when

609
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: I was younger. All I wanted when I was younger

610
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: was a role model that looked like me, that wasn't

611
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: the you know, slim, blonde hair, blue eyed beauty that

612
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: I knew I couldn't be. You know. I was the freckled,

613
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of overweight kid that was you know, a little

614
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: talented in a few ways, but never the picture perfect,

615
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, And I never connected with those people that

616
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: were perfect. I I want to be the role model

617
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: that is human and I make mistakes and I mess

618
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: up and I'm like us, but I still go to church,

619
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to show kids that you

620
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: can still be a human being and be a star.

621
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: That is what I'm trying to do. I want to

622
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: be a real human being that can stand in the

623
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: limelight and still show all of her scars and stretch

624
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: marks and stories and and show them that it's okay

625
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: to be human. You can still go after your dreams.

626
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: If you don't feel like you look, or you don't act,

627
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: or you don't think like the perfect person, there is

628
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: no sense of perfection. God yeah, I think that there's

629
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: so many artists that are bringing that to the table.

630
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: Lizzo is my huge example for that, because what she

631
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: has done it's amazing. She she has so much of

632
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: a background of music that some people don't know from.

633
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, she used to work with Prince as a

634
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: backup vocalist and I believe that was how she started.

635
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: I need to go back and double check, but um,

636
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: she has this background of music that she's so immaculately talented.

637
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: But I feel like she was it on a shelf

638
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: because of the way she looked, which I think she's

639
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: dropped dead. But the thing is, does she fit the

640
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: perfect cookie cutter shape that pop music has normally lended us?

641
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: You know? No? And I think that is exactly what

642
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: makes her as big of a star as she is,

643
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: because she is so very different that you cannot You

644
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: cannot put her in a box. And I think that

645
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: is the most amazing thing about Lizzo is that she's

646
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: breaking the barriers as to what a pop star can say,

647
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: what they can look like, and what they can do

648
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: on stage and how they can bring people together. She

649
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: she put on the show at the Rieman and I

650
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: I have never seen more people crunk at the Crime

651
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: and like it was the weirdest jealous It was the weirdest,

652
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: the coolest thing ever. Like I've never been to a

653
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: Ryman show where people are just like dancing like hilf

654
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: five and strangers like just getting down with her bad self.

655
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: It was amazing. And I love that she takes time

656
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: on stage to talk about self love and you know,

657
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: just screw the people that hurt you. You focus on you.

658
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of young girls need to

659
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: realize that. I love that that message is out there

660
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: for all the young generations coming up. Do you think

661
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: have you felt you know, there's this huge wave of

662
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: like um females and country music trying to make a

663
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: comeback almost because they've been kind of cut out. What

664
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: have your experience has been with that? Yeah, I can't

665
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: tell you how many writer rounds I've done lately that

666
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: are all female that they call brock country instead of

667
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: bro country love, which I actually really love. Um, I'm

668
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: gonna start calling just female country brock country country. UM.

669
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: But it's really cool. I think that every now and then,

670
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: I feel like women we get at least from me personally.

671
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: And I know that Mary and Morris um emphasizes at

672
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: the end of her Girl video UM that the differences.

673
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: Men are never asked what the differences to be a

674
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: man in country music, but we are always asked that,

675
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you're asked the same thing in your profession.

676
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: So honestly, I think it's really cool. I think that

677
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: all of this that has somehow beat down women in

678
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: country music and has kept them from shining, has angered

679
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: them enough that now we can make the rise we

680
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: need to make. I think that we're all going to

681
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: rise as a wave altogether, and I'm just waiting for

682
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: nineties country to come back where it's all these women

683
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: telling their stories. It's I love the men, and I'm

684
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: not trying to be sexist by put women above men,

685
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: but um, there is something about a woman's way of

686
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: telling a story that I think would connect with our

687
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: audience so much more than a man can if given

688
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: the chance and the opportunity to be heard. Because they

689
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: say that about eight percent of our fan bases women.

690
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: So why are there not more women telling their stories

691
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: or getting to tell their stories. I think that all

692
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: of us women binding together and rising together as the

693
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: way we're going to do it. I love what I've

694
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: heard Marin say one time before, the most interesting thing

695
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: about me is not that I'm a woman, exact. I

696
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: love that. It's so good. Um, you're such an old soul.

697
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean you're what Now, this is like a fun

698
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: fact about Kaylee hammet because I feel like when I'm

699
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: talking to your like forty oh yeah, my your life

700
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: experience seems like you've just, I don't know, such an

701
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: old soul. My dad said, I was really yeah, that

702
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: sounds about right to me. Um, okay, I want to

703
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: do some fun facts about Kaylee Hammock, which the age

704
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: thing was the first one. But I spent the day

705
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: yesterday with Mary Halliard, who is your manager. Oh my god,

706
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: this is bad. What did she tell you? And also,

707
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean she's one of my really great friends, and

708
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: so I was like, what do I need to know

709
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: about Kaylee that we that she hasn't been asked yet

710
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: in an interview, because, like I said, I've heard a

711
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: bunch of your interview. So I was like, I need

712
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: to do something just a little different. So she goes,

713
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: we'll ask her about her ribs because you just got

714
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: on my Oh my god, oh this story this is

715
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: very interesting to me. Yeah, very odd. So I was

716
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: on the road with Dirt spent Ley and I had

717
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: had some issues with my voice at one point where

718
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: I was just getting so tight and so sore very quickly,

719
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: and um, I went to my vocal doctor and he said,

720
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: your vocal cords are fine, but you're holding way too

721
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: much tension in your neck. That's what's causing all the

722
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: pressure and stuff. So he was like, you have to

723
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: get a massage every day before you sing. And I

724
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: was like, doctor's orders, Like, oh my god, so seriously. Um.

725
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: So I went to Amanda, who was on the road

726
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: with Dirks and was given everyone massages, and anyway, she

727
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: was massage on my neck and my shoulders and then

728
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: she said, well, do you want me to massage your diaphragm,

729
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: which I've never had someone massage my diaphragm. But she

730
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: had told me, I have no clue how this works,

731
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: but she said that, um, sometimes when singers sing a lot,

732
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: their diaphragm gets stuck to their ribs um, and she

733
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: can remove it. She can get it off of my ribs.

734
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: So she's like reaching around like inside my rib cage,

735
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: like kind of pulling them wider and smaller. And anyways,

736
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: she's feeling around on my rib cage and I'm kind

737
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: of just lying. They're like wondering what this is gonna

738
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: do to my diaphragm. And she said that I'm missing

739
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: a bone um at the bottom of my stern m.

740
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: She was like, that's funny. You don't have it. And

741
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have what what am I missing?

742
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: You know? And she said, you don't have There's this

743
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: little tiny it's almost like a little triangle at the

744
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: bottom of your stern m. And she said, you don't

745
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: have that, and she goes, only about three percent of

746
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: the population don't have it. She was like, but um,

747
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: she goes that little piece. What it does is it

748
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: reinforces your ribs. She said, so it actually it's probably

749
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: better for you because you can increase your lung capacity

750
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: and breathe in and out wider. Normally, your rib cage

751
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: can actually um spread wider than an average person's. So

752
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: you're missing bones and it probably makes you a better singer.

753
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. Wow. I mean that. I was like, whoa, Amanda,

754
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: And then I went back to the dressing room and

755
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: I like pull my shop and I was like, do

756
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: do my weird? Do you ribs look funny? And I

757
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: was like showing the whole band and they're like no,

758
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, I see it externally. It's it's weird. I

759
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: never knew that. But then I went home and I

760
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: was like trying to see I could get my room.

761
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's interesting. Um okay. Also, you are

762
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: the biggest makeup lover, which I love on your ins

763
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: and you started doing little kind of tutorial time things.

764
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: It's this amazing Okay, So talking me through, what are

765
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: some of your favorite products, because you're really good at makeup.

766
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: So as far as makeup, one person I love Charlotte Tilbury. Yeah,

767
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: oh my god. She has this magic cream that it's

768
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: a cream moisturizer and she actually became famous through that.

769
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: I believe her entire career kind of was based off

770
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: this magic cream that she made and people just fell

771
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: in love with it, and then she became a makeup

772
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: artist with her own line after it. And UM, anyways,

773
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: I love this magic cream. My skin is very dry,

774
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: so I love it. I also just got into guasha.

775
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: I don't know about this, so it's I truly believe

776
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: in Eastern medicine and everything to do with Chinese culture

777
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: and Korean culture. I feel like they have uh a

778
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: step up, I think in their skincare and their beauty

779
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: over us. So I got into it. It's called guash

780
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: shaw and it's this little jade stone. Um. It can

781
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: be made out of buffalo horn, rose quartz, but I

782
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: have a jade one. And what it does shot is

783
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: scraping and it translates scraping in Chinese and it's really

784
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: good for your immune system. I use it on my

785
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: face and my neck and my china. It's pretty much

786
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: this piece of stone that you pull your skin with.

787
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: You do like a scraping motion with it is like

788
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: jade rolling. Jade rolling is more of for the cooling

789
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: and for deep puffing. This is to work your lymphatic

790
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: system to um, make it all release in your face,

791
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: in your neck. And also they call it their needless botox,

792
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: supposed to tighten your skin by doing this every every

793
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: few days for about ten minutes. Um, I it just

794
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: feels good. I can feel that my lymph nodes are

795
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: draining and such when I use it, um, which helps

796
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: with puffiness in my face. But I love that. Um.

797
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: Let me think, Let me think, I love Anastasia, I

798
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: mean just brows. That brow gel is the best brow gel.

799
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Brow is very pertinent to a full good like a

800
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: real makeup look, I think. Yeah. And I did find

801
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: this thing though. It's really good on the go unless

802
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: you're in an airplane, will explode in your face. I've

803
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: done it so many times. But Urban Decay made this

804
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: thing called a brow blade and it's um it's like

805
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: a felt tip liner that you'd use for liquid eyeliner,

806
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: but it's for your eyebrows. And then on the other

807
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: side they actually have the stick. So it's really nice

808
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: if you don't want to carry a bunch of brow

809
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: stuff with you, but you want that look of like

810
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: having the brow blading as far as individual follicle look

811
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: in like the feather, yes, just making that making it

812
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: look more natural than drawn on. Yeah. So you guys

813
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: can also go follow Kaylee on what's your Instagram handle?

814
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: Kaylee Hammock at Kaylee Hammock. She's starting to post a

815
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: lot more about her different makeup looks. I feel like

816
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: this is a true expression of how you are feeling,

817
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: or like what the vibe is of the night. You

818
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: totally build your look around that. Yeah, I feel like

819
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: my face is my first first thing people look at,

820
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like the dormat of my personality.

821
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta show you that I'm weird. I

822
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: gotta show you how extra I am right now. I

823
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: loved your your look for the Aprey debut, which is

824
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: a huge deal. Congrats, By the way, How fun was that? Was? It? Just?

825
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, it felt like I was getting married. It

826
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: was a little stressful backstage. We're filming so much, and

827
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: I had also just gotten the I Heart on the

828
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: Verge and there were about two hundred radio stations needing

829
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: liners for them that day. So in between recording video

830
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: backstage with my family for the Opery debut video and

831
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: then also trying to do sound check for my True

832
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: debut that night, and then running to the Glitz and

833
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Glam room to get the liners done. It was a

834
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: very stressful day. But I just played again at the

835
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Opery and it's so much more calm or colmer. I

836
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: guess when you're after you've done your debut and you're

837
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more comfortable with it. I'm enjoying it

838
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: more every time I go because it's just feeling more natural.

839
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: But the first time I got up there, I cried

840
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: like a baby. Its iconic. It's all I've ever wanted,

841
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: which kind of scared me too. I was like, oh Lord,

842
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: should I have dreamed for more? You know? To me,

843
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: that was that's bigger than any award that someone can

844
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: give me. Is getting allowed and embraced on that stage.

845
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: That's the big one to me. Well, so Family Tree

846
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: is out now, which you co wrote, co produced, and

847
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: also I saw that it was the highest Was it

848
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: the highest added single by a female in three years? Yeah?

849
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: I mean hello, Yeah, it's always exciting when you see

850
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: a stat like that shows that you're on the right path. Yeah,

851
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: so you guys can go listen to Family Tree. But

852
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: when you were telling me before, when does new music

853
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: come out or more music? So what we're working towards,

854
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: what I am like hoping works. We're planning on hopefully

855
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: having a full album in February. I'm working through masters

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Speaker 1: right now, about to send the masters into the label,

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Speaker 1: so that means we're right at the end, you know,

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Speaker 1: after this, it's what is the album cover and what

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Speaker 1: is the back of the seat he gonna look like?

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Speaker 1: Which is like the coolest part. I've never got to

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Speaker 1: really work on that part of the music. So I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited to see where this goes. But planning on February, well,

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Speaker 1: if you guys need to go listen to Family Tree

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Speaker 1: and also be aware of the new music come out.

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Speaker 1: Kaylee is a powerhouse vocalist also lyrically. I was listening

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Speaker 1: to so many of the songs this morning as I

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Speaker 1: was getting ready, and that's what I was saying to

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Speaker 1: You're the old soul. I'm like, how does she know

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Speaker 1: how that feels? It's amazing You're describing stuff that I've

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Speaker 1: been through with heartbreak or just finding myself and all

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Speaker 1: of these things that took me a lot longer than you.

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Speaker 1: So hey, no, I'm just glad you connected. Absolutely love.

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Speaker 1: A couple of them brought me to here, so it

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Speaker 1: was very very exciting. Um I'm not gonna have you

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Speaker 1: sing a normal song, but I do need to hear

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Speaker 1: some Disney voices because I also heard. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: this is like one of your tricks. Um yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: oh my god. I love that you were hanging out

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Speaker 1: with Mary. She would say this, so her little girl's

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Speaker 1: scarlet loves Mickey Mouse and I'm a little horse. Let

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Speaker 1: me try. Oh my gosh, welcome to woof Disney World.

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Speaker 1: Will Um, I can't do it hardly today. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: getting over a cold. But um, I used to do

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Speaker 1: that and then I do like aerial and stuff like,

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Speaker 1: look at this stuff, isn't any Oh my god, you

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Speaker 1: just cured my my. Sirie just turned on. She just

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Speaker 1: said I'm your assistant and your friend too. Oh thanks Siri.

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Speaker 1: Thank Sirie. You're not in this interview. Maybe she's telling

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Speaker 1: me to shut up. Oh my god. That wasn't Mary

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Speaker 1: was like you have to ask her. She's oddly good

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Speaker 1: at Disney boys. Yes, I need I'll come back and

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Speaker 1: show you what I'm not too hoarse. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: you guys go check Kaylee out on Instagram at Kaylee Hammock.

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Speaker 1: Where else can people find you? You can find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube. We're going to be posting

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Speaker 1: a bunch more makeup videos fun and website is Kaylee

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Speaker 1: Hammock dot comic. Sure to check it out for updates

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Speaker 1: on when new music is coming out. You guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna love it. Thanks for being here all right bye.

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Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you've been listening to the

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