1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: All right, you're listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast, and 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: today I have Clay Travis with me, and I wanted 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: to dig into all this sports stuff because if you 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: listen to my podcast, you know that I'm not a 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: sports person, but obviously Clay is, and I'm in Michigan 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: and you of m just had this like bizarre thing. 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: So everybody, Clay is saying to me, this has to 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: be because we lost to Ohio, but I don't think 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: it is. 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: Look, it is interesting if Michigan beating Ohio State, then 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: maybe things would be different, because I think the number 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: one unforgivable sin of major college athletics is not cheating. 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: It's not you know, recruiting kids who have no business 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 2: on campus. It's losing to your most hated rival. And 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: so Sharon Moore last year beat Ohio State as a 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: first year head coach. I know he also won as 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: an interim for people out there that are big fans, 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: but then got whipped pretty solidly in the big Auson 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: and Arbor. And then a couple weeks later, Low and Behold, 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: right after signing day when the recruits commit, it comes 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: out that he was allegedly having an affair with a subordinate, 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: and boom he is fired. And then you know, look, 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: the affair with the subordinate would be bad enough, but 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: his career wouldn't be over. He'd just have to say 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: that he screwed up. He's thirty nine years old, relatively 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: young for a coach, would have to go be an 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: assistant for a few years until he got another opportunity. 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: Except that, according to the felony charges brought against him, 29 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: when he got fired, he went to the subordinate's house 30 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: and said he was going to kill himself in front 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: of her, according to the allegations, and that her blood 32 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: would be on his hand. 33 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: She blamed him. 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: He blamed her for sharing the fact that they have 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: been engaged in this relationship. So that's the story in 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: a nutshell, and there are lots of different angles that 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: spin off from it, but that's the most basic aspect 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: of it. 39 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it is bizarre here because obviously U of 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: M football is very important to people. 41 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 4: But you listen to this and there's all these rooms. 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Like, oh he went there and he was like holding 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: himself at butter knife point. 44 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 4: You know, it's like just very threatening. 45 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, Look, the whole thing is a cluster, 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: and it kind of ties in with the University of 47 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: Michigan has been a bit of a mess off the 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: field for a few years now, and I look, I 49 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: think part of this is in order to sometimes compete 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: at a very, very high level in college football. One 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: of the coaches used to say, you recruit your problems. 52 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: It was such a great line because I think it's 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: applicable to all of life. He said, you know, we're 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: in a unique spot because we recruit our problems. And 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: what he meant by that is you're begging coaches, you're 56 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: begging players, You're begging people to come to your program, 57 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: and then when they get there, if they don't perform 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: at a level that you would hope that they would, 59 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: or certainly if they engage in behavior that's criminal in nature, 60 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: then you have brought the problem in to your own house. 61 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: And you know, when I heard that phrase the first time, 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: I thought it made a lot of sense. The older 63 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: I get, the more I think it makes sense for 64 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: everyone because lots of people will focus on external threats 65 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: and most of the time we are individually our own 66 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: worst enemies. We recruit our own problems while we tend 67 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: to focus on the external nature and worry about things 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: that often don't emerge. And I think that, you know, 69 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: put simply, Michigan has recruited a series of problems that 70 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: have not been particularly beneficial to the university as a whole. 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: I can see that in politics too, what you're saying, 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really hitting me hard right now because 73 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: of what I see on social media and because behind 74 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: the scenes when you're in the political world, so many 75 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: people come to me and they're like, we want to 76 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: have a whole influencer network. We either want to have 77 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: an influencer network for a state or we want to 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: just start influencing across the country. 79 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: And have our own. 80 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: But it's like, that's it exactly what I say to them. 81 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean, not those words exactly, but I'm like, you 82 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: recruit it, you own it. Who whatever that person. Once 83 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: that person hits a certain level, they feel like they 84 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: can do whatever they want. They are untouchable, and you 85 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: recruited that person, so you own whatever they become. 86 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 4: And it's hard. 87 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of truth to that too, And 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 2: I think we live in a profoundly and authentic era 89 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: and so what I would say is the antidote to 90 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: cancel culture is authenticity, because if you are what people 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: think you are, then it becomes really hard for you 92 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: to get in trouble for being what. 93 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: The expectation is that you are. 94 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: And I'll give you a kind of a ridiculous but 95 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: fun example of this. Charles Barkley's probably the best former 96 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: player who has done media, maybe ever former NBA superstar, 97 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: and he was arrested in Scottsdale, Arizona. I don't know 98 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: if I've told you the story or you've heard it tootor, 99 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: but he was arrested in Scottsdale, Arizona for driving drunk. Scottsdale, Arizona, 100 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: by the way, a place where lots of people go 101 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: out and get drinks. You know, it's it's kind of 102 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: a lively spot. When he was arrested. When they pulled 103 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: him over, they said, you know, hey, you're driving drunk. 104 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: He acknowledged he was, and they said why are you 105 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: doing this and if you got kids in the car, 106 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: turn it down. He said, because I'm driving to the 107 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: house of the woman who gives the best blowjobs in Arizona. 108 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: In the police report, he. 109 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: Missed one day of work one day of work tutor 110 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: because everybody was like, yeah, I kind of expect Charles 111 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: Barkley to get drunk, get in his car and go 112 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: do that. And so I would argue that that probably 113 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: Charles Barkley is one of the most authentic voices in media. 114 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: And look, you can also apply that same logic, I think, 115 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: on some level to Donald Trump. Right, people kept saying, oh, 116 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: my goodness, he just did this, he just did that. 117 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: There's no way his political career is going to survive. 118 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: And actually, as long as Trump behaved as people anticipated 119 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: Trump to hay, Once he set that expectation, it became very, 120 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: very difficult to alter it. And now I'll give you 121 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: another example from the world of politics. Hillary Clinton completely 122 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: lied about being under fire in Iraq. I mean, you 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: go back and look at all the evidence. She was 124 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: never in danger, She was never under fire. Brian Williams, 125 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: who was at the time NBC's top political anchor, basically 126 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: top anchor in general, I think Gate, told the same lie. 127 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: His career collapsed. But why because people expected that he 128 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 2: would tell the truth and they expected that Hillary Clinton 129 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: would lie. 130 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 3: And one more, and this is I think even. 131 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: More illustrative of this, when the Access Hollywood tape came 132 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: out tutor with Donald Trump and Billy Bush. 133 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: Do you remember the outcome Donald Trump, Billy Bush was toast. 134 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Donald Trump got elected President of the United States. 135 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: It wasn't just that Billy Bush lost his job, his 136 00:06:54,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: wife left him. His entire world collapsed because he kind 137 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: of laughed at a Trump joke. 138 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: He didn't tell the joke. It wasn't a full on interview. 139 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: He was off. 140 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: You know, they were miked up, but they weren't on 141 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: camera yet. And yet the standard in media was his 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: career is over for Trump. He got elected President of 143 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: the United States. So it is amazing, and I think 144 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: to a large extent, it's illustrative of people in the 145 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: general public have a higher tolerance for behavior right for humanity, 146 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: good and bad than sort of the artificial safeguards that 147 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: are put in place in the media ecosystem, which I 148 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: think all those stories to me kind of are illustrative 149 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: of the era in which we're in. 150 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: So I will tell you my Charles Barkley story. When 151 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: I was fifty or I was sixteen, I'd just gotten 152 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: my driver's license and Michael Jordan did this like golf 153 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: tournament every year right down the street from my house, 154 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: but that year he had had surgery or something, so 155 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley was taking charge of this. I went out 156 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: to dinner and he was sitting at the table next 157 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: to me and my girlfriend and we were so excited. 158 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: So we like and he was with Danny Ainge and yeah, 159 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: someone else. I can't remember who the third person was. 160 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: So we like totally geeked out right, So, and the 161 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: Bulls were winning. 162 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: It was like you know that. 163 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: Time era in the NBA when everybody cared about the NBA. 164 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, exactly. 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: So we walked up to him and I was so 166 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: excited and nervous and I introduced myself and he looked 167 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: at us and he goes, oh, are your parents sitting 168 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: at a different table And I was like, no, it's 169 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: just us. 170 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: He goes, did they drop you off? And I said no, 171 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 4: I drove here, and he was like, man, who are 172 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 4: they giving driver's licenses to you? 173 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: Now? 174 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 4: Are you like ten years old? 175 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: And that was it was like that moment where he 176 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't playing with me, he really was just like, 177 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you look way too young. 178 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: But he was. He was genuinely nice, but it was 179 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: just really who he was. 180 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I've gotten to know Charles quite a bit, 181 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: and I think one of the best pieces of advice 182 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: that I've heard from him, he said it was given 183 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: to him early in his media career, was if you 184 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 2: worry about the opinions of people who don't like you, 185 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 2: then eventually the people who do like you won't like 186 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: you anymore either. And this was kind of in a 187 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: pre social media era that he told me that quote, 188 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: but I think it's so particularly perceptive for the world 189 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: in which we live in, where it's just there's I mean, 190 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: if I go on my phone right now, there's no 191 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: telling the toxicity that is in my mentions over whatever 192 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: I said today on the show or whatever I've tweeted. 193 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: It could be sports, politics, pop culture, whatever it is. 194 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of noise. And if you allow 195 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: your head to get involved in that noise too much, 196 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: then then it can start to impinge on your unique nature. 197 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: And I don't think it's coincidental. I mean, Barkley basically 198 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: isn't on social media at all, and you know, Peyton 199 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: Manning to a large extent, isn't on social media at all. 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: Certainly Michael Jordan isn't and I think there's probably a 201 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: great deal of health for people who chose not to 202 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: get on social media. I'm on social media for my career, 203 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: but I don't have like private social media accounts or 204 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: anything like that. 205 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: So I see that people will like send you a 206 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: nasty message, and it hurts my heart. It's like this, 207 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: I've always listened to you, I'm a huge fan. You 208 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: turn me off today and I'm done, and then you 209 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: post it. I'm like, that is so bold, and I 210 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: love that you do that because it is that first. 211 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: My first feeling when I see that as like I 212 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: don't want to lose you, but I don't. 213 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: Even know this person. I've been hearing that my entire career. Yeah, 214 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: I mean seriously. You know when I first started doing 215 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: local sports talk radio, and the first couple of times, 216 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: I thought it was strange because somebody sends an email 217 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: and they're like, I will never listen to you again 218 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: because you said whatever opinion it was. And then what 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: I noticed is that person always wrote back they were 220 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: like and then you said, sometimes there is two I 221 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: really think this. There is a hater gene and there's 222 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: a certain person out there type of personality that is 223 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: in some way. They're attracted to their own distaste for things. 224 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: And I don't really understand it because I don't have 225 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: time to watch all the TV shows or go to 226 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: all the concerts that I would like to or whatever else, 227 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: so I only go to things that I like. But 228 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: I think there's about twenty percent of the population that 229 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: somehow gets gratification out of being a hater, and so 230 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: they can't turn away, and they listen to people that 231 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: they claim not to like, but they actually listen more 232 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: than the people who claim to like you. It's one 233 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: of the craziest things I've ever seen. 234 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: It's like the freaky joy and misery people. 235 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: There are truly people that love to be miserable, and 236 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: they seem like they're happy in their misery, but everyone 237 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: around them is also miserable because miserable people are just miserable. 238 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also I mean, this is like holiday 239 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: advice for everybody, but they also suck a lot of 240 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: joy out of the air, right. Not just that they 241 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: are miserable internally, it's that they become energy vampires and 242 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: everybody knows what I'm talking about. There are people that 243 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: you're around that have effervescent personalities and they give you 244 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: energy and help everybody to be to be better off. 245 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: The phrase I've heard and I think it's so true. 246 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: There are a lot of energy vampires and basically they 247 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: exist to suck away your energy and just. 248 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: Leave you like, oh, what in the world are we doing? 249 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: And I think around the holiday season, you know they're Unfortunately, 250 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: everybody's family has got people like that that you're placating 251 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: and trying to make sure that they don't end up angry. 252 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: And you know, Happy Holidays America. 253 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: Even Winnie the Pooh has e or we learned about 254 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: it when we were young. 255 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: That's right, the. 256 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 4: Ears of our life. 257 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break will continue next on 258 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. I want to talk about name, 259 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: image and likeness because I was watching so I went 260 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: to UK and I was watching a basketball game with 261 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: my brother law a few weeks ago, and he was like, oh, yeah, 262 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: one of these guys never plays. He gets all this money, 263 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: but he never plays, and he people apparently were making 264 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: fun of him. So he went out and took thirty 265 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars out of the bank and made it rain 266 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: money on Instagram. And I was like, I may never play, 267 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: but I get all this money, and I think this 268 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: is gross, but I don't know how you feel about it, 269 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: because you're a sportsperson. 270 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: Well, so I'm a capitalist, but I think that it's 271 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: always important to remember that in most of the world 272 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: we don't have true capitalism, by which I mean unregulated, 273 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: completely capitalism. Like we can't sell our kidneys in the 274 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: United States, right Like you know, you can't go buy 275 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon and decide that you're going to put 276 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: it on eBay, right like. There there are certain things 277 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: that as a society we look at. I mean, you know, 278 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: I'll give you a good example. I've got a fifteen 279 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: year old tutor. You know, my wife, she would murder 280 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: me with her bare hands if I took him out 281 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: to go get a tattoo, even if he wanted a tattoo, 282 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: because he's fifteen year old. Right. So, we regulate a 283 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: lot of commerce, what is allowed to be sold, what's 284 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: not allowed to be sold. And in college athletics, we 285 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: went from the Berlin Wall being up, where we tried 286 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: to enforce a standard where nobody basically could be paid 287 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: at all, to the Berlin Wall came down and suddenly 288 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: everybody could get paid everything, and it actually reminds me 289 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: of what happened in Eastern Europe, which is that pure 290 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: unregulated capitalism for a little while led to hey, I 291 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: want to buy a tank. 292 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: Hey, you know, I'm going. 293 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: To go buy like a government munitions plan. Right, they 294 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: started selling off everything, And so I think that's where 295 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: we are in college athletics. And what's unique about college 296 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: athletics is actually not unique to sports in general. But 297 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: sports is one of the only places where the goal 298 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: of the business is to compete and you don't want 299 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: to put your opponent out of business. Right, So you 300 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: were talking about the NBA back in the day. One 301 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: of the reasons we all loved the NBA back in 302 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: the nineties was Michael Jordan had elite competition that he 303 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: had to go up against, and everybody got to sit 304 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: around and watch that competition. But if you had a 305 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: situation where the Bulls got to spend a billion dollars 306 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: and everybody they played against got to spend a million, well, 307 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a very fair competition, right, And so 308 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: we're going to have to end up with some form 309 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: of regulation in the NIL space to preserve competitive balance 310 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: in college athletics. 311 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 4: How is it working because it's not the schools that 312 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 4: are paying right. 313 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well the schools are now paying some And look, 314 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: the downside is what you just pointed to. Kentucky lost 315 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: your alma mater lost to Gonzaga in my hometown of 316 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: Nashville a couple of weeks ago, and they played awful. 317 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: And when I was a kid, my dad always said, 318 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: you never boo college kids because they're out there trying 319 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: their best. They're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old. The boos 320 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: rained down like crazy because they're not college kids anymore. Tutor, 321 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: they're professionals. And so if somebody is being paid millions 322 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: of dollars and they perform poorly, the sports fans let 323 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: them have it, even in the home arena or the 324 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: home stadium. So I think where we have to go. 325 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: This is eventually where it's going to end up. Is 326 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: use the NBA or the NFL as an example. They 327 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: have salary. Caps players signed contracts. They're committed to teams 328 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: for multiple years. You can be a free agent, but 329 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: you have to serve out your contract four or five years, 330 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: and everybody has to pay similar amounts of salary to 331 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: individual teams. The salary cap exists for that reason. So 332 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: I think we are headed towards there. It may take 333 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: a decade to get there, it may take twenty years 334 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: to get there, but to me, it's the inevitable final destination. 335 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Well you just said, okay, So when I was at UK, 336 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: it was like they were us. It wasn't like joy 337 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: represented us. It wasn't like we owned them or yeah. 338 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's different like when you own a car 339 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: and you race it. But that's the way you just described. 340 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: It was like they're not a part of the university 341 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: there that I don't like. 342 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: No, I think it's look the one group that is 343 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: getting screwed here. I think players are making more money 344 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: than they've ever made before, Coaches are making more money 345 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: than they've ever made before, Television networks are making more 346 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: money than they've ever made before. But fan loyalty is 347 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: being taken advantage of. We just had Lane Kiffen leave 348 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: ole Miss in the middle of the playoffs. It's the 349 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: greatest season in ole Miss football history, probably certainly in 350 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: like the modern era, last fifty years, and yet their 351 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: head coach just walked away to go take a job 352 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 2: against of Arrival against LSU. What's going on is everybody 353 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: is acting in their naked self interests and there's no 354 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: one who's looking out for the best interest of the sport. 355 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: And that is why I think we're in it challenging 356 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: spot because what makes people like you love UK is 357 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: the experience that you had at the University of Kentucky. 358 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: What makes people fans in college athletics is typically a 359 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: connection that feels personal. It can be that they went 360 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 2: to the school. It can mean that they went to 361 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: watch games when they were kids. It can mean that 362 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: they feel an associational value as a member of a 363 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: fan base, a tribe that all kind of pulls in 364 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: the same direction. And when you have people who are 365 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: playing for Kentucky one year in Louisville the next, or 366 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: coaching for Kentucky one year Louisville the next, Hated Rivals 367 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: Mercenary players, at some point it starts to strip away 368 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: what made college athletics great. And it may always be 369 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: a bit of a fiction, but everybody out there that's 370 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: a fan of a school, that loves a school, you 371 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: like to think, Hey, that's seventeen year old. He came 372 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: to my school because he saw something unique in our 373 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: tribe in the experience, the culture of the university. And 374 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 2: when it's like, oh, no, he came because he got 375 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: fifty k more than somebody offered him at Tennessee or 376 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: Alabama or wherever it is, you're not really selling that 377 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: blood connection that you feel, that tribal connection. You're just 378 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: hiring a mercenary. And I think it starts to detract 379 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: at some point for the overall brand of college athletics. 380 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: And you kind of felt like it was nice to 381 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: think that they went through that same process that they 382 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: sent in their SAT scores and that guy you see 383 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: at the cafeteria is also one of the people you're 384 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: cheering on at the game. 385 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 4: I mean, it just is a very weird. 386 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: Concept to me that you could technically then have a 387 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: player your freshman and sophomore year who then when he turns, 388 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: when he becomes a junior, he gets a better deal 389 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: and he leaves. 390 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 4: That feels so weird. 391 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, you could have a kid 392 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: who goes to four different schools in four years tutor, 393 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: So I mean, think about how hard that is. And remember, 394 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: ostensibly the reason these guys are there is to get 395 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: a college degree, because most people, well that's what we thought, yeah, 396 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: well most and look, most college athletes. Let's say you 397 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: go to the NFL. Yeah, let's say you are supremely talented. 398 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: This is why I talk to kids all the time 399 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: about this, and my way I talk about it is 400 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: use the ball, don't let the ball use you. And 401 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 2: there are so many kids out there that get used 402 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: by the sport. Because let's say you're wildly successful at football, 403 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: You're an incredible athlete. You know, the average length of 404 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: an NFL career three point five years, three point five years, 405 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: so that means you come out at twenty one or 406 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 2: twenty two, and by twenty five or twenty six, your 407 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: football career is completely over. You're still, in many ways 408 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: a baby, right in terms of your professional career and 409 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: everything that you have worked so hard for to aspire 410 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: to reach the apex of your profession. You're done with 411 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: it at twenty five, You're done with it at twenty six, 412 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: and then you have to go back because a lot 413 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: of these guys, let's say you made three million dollars 414 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: on that contract, three million dollars. You know this, but 415 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: a lot of the kids don't. Let's say you're paying 416 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: forty percent tax on that you're down to one six 417 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: Let's say that you're paying agent fees that you know 418 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: that money is gone, right like you, it is gone. 419 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: You're not living on that for the rest of your life. 420 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: So you have to have an ability to build a 421 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: career doing something else. And that's what you go to 422 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: college theoretically for. And I feel like, unfortunately, a lot 423 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: of these kids are going to make a few hundred 424 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: thousand dollars in college. They're going to have no marketable skills, 425 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: they're not going to be able to go pro at all, 426 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: and they're going to be sitting around, you know, back 427 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: at home at twenty three years old, thinking to themselves, Okay, 428 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: what do I do for the rest of my life? 429 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: When they're such young guys and and you know again 430 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 2: you know this, Uh, they spend money because young men 431 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: are oftentimes not very smart. You don't have great financial 432 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 2: advisors around you. Most people aren't used to even having 433 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars in their twenties, much less 434 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 2: access to it. 435 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: And you're not at the age where you're thinking this 436 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: is ending, correct, So you can't even comprehend that that 437 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: money is temporary and that salary is temper. 438 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: And by the way, you're also then maybe you're trying 439 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: to do something nice for mom or dad, or you're 440 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: trying to do something nice for your brothers, sisters. And 441 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: he says, nephews, whatever it may be, and that money 442 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: can vanish in a hurry. And so my concern is, look, 443 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: I mean, people make awful choices all the time with 444 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: the way that they choose to live. 445 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: I've got a buddy from law school. 446 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: I was out to dinner with him recently, tutor, and 447 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: he's going through divorce and I was talking with him 448 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: and I said, well, how are you doing. He said, 449 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: for twenty straight years, I had two paths. Smart financial decision, 450 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: bad financial decision. He's like, in every time I took 451 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: bad financial decision. And you know, like he's a forty 452 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: five year old guy now and he's sitting around and 453 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: he's like, you know, I don't have a nest egg, 454 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: I don't have anything to take care of. And so 455 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: my point on that is, we tend to focus on athletics, 456 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: but a lot of people don't necessarily make the best 457 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: decisions for themselves. And it gets accelerated even more when 458 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: you're talking about guys. Eighteen nineteen twenty years old who 459 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: are trying and drive nice cars and impress, you know, 460 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: girls on campus, and they think that money's going to 461 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: be there forever. And suddenly you hit a wall at 462 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: twenty five years old and you realize, I'm going to 463 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: have to have a real job and you don't have 464 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: the skills. 465 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: To do it. 466 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: Okay, but gambling is also getting a little bit risky, 467 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: and now we have senators that are trying to get 468 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: involved in gambling. 469 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 4: You're obviously very familiar with gambling. 470 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: So what is your feeling on the government starting to 471 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: raise regulation on that. 472 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: Well, so right now it's individual. 473 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: States have the right to decide whether or not they 474 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: want to have sports gambling, and obviously sports gambling is 475 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: a subset of larger gambling. And this really, I would say, 476 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: the gambling world exploded. The first that I remember doing 477 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: this tutor was Georgia started the Hope Scholarships, basically where 478 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: the lottery money went to pay for kids to go 479 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: to the University of Georgia, Georgia Tech state universities in 480 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: Georgia if you kept a be average and so the 481 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: idea was we're going to have a lottery and then 482 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: as these things often do they have grown. Now there's casinos, 483 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: Now there's sports, gambling, everything else. I like to gamble 484 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,239 Speaker 2: on sports. I also like to drink. I have an 485 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: affinity for things that are not healthy for me. So 486 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: I think the key to life is moderation. Right, are 487 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: you able to balance You know, you can't eat birthday 488 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: cake for every meal, like every six year old in 489 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: America would like. 490 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 3: You have to balance out everything. 491 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: One of the challenges is there are a lot of 492 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: people have addictive personalities and tutor out. I don't know 493 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: how you regulate things on behalf of you know, most 494 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: people can have a couple of drinks and not have 495 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: to worry about becoming an alcoholic. But a certain subset 496 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: of people they are very susceptible to alcohol or drugs 497 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: or gambling and it becomes super addictive to them. So 498 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: my general proposition is, I think the state should be 499 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: able to make a decision and then they should tax 500 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: and regulate it and hopefully restrict it for people that 501 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: have problematic issues there. And I think we're so young 502 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: in the infasy of this era that we're just starting there. 503 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 2: And then the other part of this is, you know, 504 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: some athletes are making awful decisions and being involved in 505 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: gambling related scandals all the way up to professional athletics 506 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: and all the way down to certainly college athletics. 507 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: And so what should happen if you're an athlete? What 508 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: should happen if you're involved. 509 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: In that, Well, if it's a crime, I think you 510 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: should be prosecuted, like we're seeing happen with Chauncey Billips, 511 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: for instance, who was a great member of the Detroit 512 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: Pistons back in the day I was coaching at the 513 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: Portland Trailblazer. If you and athletic event in some way, 514 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: then you should be prosecuted. And if I were giving 515 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: advice to athletes, I would say, hey, focus one hundred 516 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: percent on playing and avoid getting involved in talking about 517 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 2: anything having to do with the lines or anything else. 518 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: My general thought is, tutor, we're catching people more because 519 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: legalization means that the sports books recognize a barent betting behavior. 520 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 2: In other words, like they caught a University of Alabama 521 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: baseball coach recently. He was trying to go into Cincinnati, 522 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: or his friend was. He was on the phone with 523 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: the coach trying to place a big dollar wager on 524 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 2: a college baseball game that nobody ever bet on in Cincinnati, 525 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: so they caught him. I think the fact that we 526 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: are now regulating and bringing sunshine onto this issue is 527 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: actually creating more recognition of it and making it look 528 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: like a bigger issue than it was in the past. 529 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: My hope is. 530 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: That these athletes and coaches are learning away, Hey, there's 531 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: a big risk here. I've got to be able to 532 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 2: protect myself from this. But look, the leagues are making 533 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 2: money handover fist. The players share revenue with the league, 534 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: so the players are actually getting paid based on legalization, 535 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: the advertisements that you see everywhere. And I'm gonna be 536 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: honest with you tonight, I'm gonna kick back and watch 537 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: Thursday night football and I'm gonna have money on the game. 538 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: Not a lot of money, but you know, I always say, like, 539 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: if I go out to a movie, it's gonna cost 540 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: me fifty sixty bucks minimum, and that money's gone forever. 541 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: If I go play golf, it's going to cost me 542 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty bucks whatever it is to play 543 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: with a buddy, and that money's gone forever. If I 544 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: put one hundred bucks on a football game, I can 545 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 2: watch the game, have a little bit more enjoyment from it, 546 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: and I might actually make money. Worst case scenario, I 547 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: lose money. And it's not much different than playing golf 548 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: or going to going to the movies. That's kind of 549 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: the way that I think about it. 550 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: So as long as you have a small bet, I 551 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: will tell you how poor of a gambler I would be. 552 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: The other night, I said to the girls, so the 553 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: power ball is going to be over a billion dollars 554 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: and they were like, what does it take to play? 555 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: And I said, we have to go get a ticket 556 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: at the gas station. And they're like, do you want 557 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: to go do that? And I was like, it's kind 558 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: of cold. I guess we're not going. 559 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 4: To win this. 560 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 2: I look, I like to buy scratch off lottery tickets 561 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: every now and then. I think it's fun. Look what 562 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: is being But again, it's all balancing, right. The difference 563 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 2: in having a couple of beers and having twenty very 564 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: seismically different. And the difference between buying a couple of 565 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: lottery tickets and buying twenty or spending money that you 566 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: can't afford to lose, is very different. But you know, look, 567 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: the lottery ticket idea that is being sold is the 568 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: fantasy of what if I actually want what would it 569 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: be like to suddenly become rich overnight? 570 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: Which is and then it's always tragedy. So I remind 571 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: myself of that. You don't want to win this anymore. 572 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: You know what's crazy is even the people who win 573 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: the lotteries, a lot of them end up broke. 574 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Right, I know, right, because it's the shock of so 575 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: much money so fast, and you're like, I need that yacht, 576 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: and then what. 577 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: Are you going to do with the yacht? 578 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 579 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: No, I mean people burn through it so quickly. I mean, 580 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this. It went viral recently, 581 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: but Odell Beckham Junior said he made one hundred million 582 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: dollars a wide receiver, went to LSU undergrad, then went 583 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: to the New York Giants among other teams, and he 584 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: spent all his money. You know, he's thirty one or 585 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: thirty two years old, whatever he is, And then went 586 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: viral because he said, you know, one hundred million dollars, 587 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: it's easy to blow through, basically I'm paraphrasing him. And 588 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: then he started to itemize it. He was like, so, 589 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: first of all, that's forty million gone to taxes. So 590 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: you're down to sixty and then he's like, you got 591 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: a manager, you got agents, that takes another ten million away. 592 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: You think, to your point tutor, that money's always going 593 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 2: to be there. So you live at a high lifestyle. 594 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: You're flying around private you're spending money hand over fist, 595 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: and then suddenly you get And this happens to a 596 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: lot of musicians. This happens to a lot of people 597 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: who come into wealth suddenly and always presume those paychecks 598 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: are going to be there. I read recently, I think 599 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: his wife now has sold her makeup company for a 600 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: billion dollars, so they may be fine now, but that 601 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: justin Bieber basically had been down to his final little 602 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: bit of dollars. You know, he made ungodly amounts of money. 603 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: But that lifestyle, Hey I got to have a private 604 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: jet flight, Hey I've got to have. 605 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 4: And you're with everybody that has that stuff. 606 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: So it's not like we look at that and I'm like, well, 607 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: why didn't you just get like a cabin in the 608 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: woods and live the high life there? You know, but 609 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: you aren't there. You're with all of the richy rich people, 610 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: so you have to it's like keeping up with the Joneses. 611 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that. 612 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: This is why I mean again, a general good life 613 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: lesson is start presuming and thinking about your expenses whatever 614 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: you make at a young age, and you know, deciding, hey, 615 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 2: I want to put away X amount of my yearly 616 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: income and try to manage that and maintain it even 617 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: if you have a lot of success in the years ahead, 618 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: because what most people do is as they get a raise, 619 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: they spend the race, right, and the number of people out. 620 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 4: There, you weren't expecting it, So you get to go 621 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: out the. 622 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: Number of people who've done it. I mean, you've been 623 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: in this camp, I'm sure where when you're young, like 624 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: you're not thinking about saving anything. You know, what is 625 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: it like sixty percent or seventy percent of people do 626 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: not have money beyond a couple of paychecks saved up. 627 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: So you know, we live in a society that definitely 628 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: glamorizes expending everything you got. Life is expensive for a 629 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: lot of people, depending on what your tastes. 630 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 4: End up, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue 631 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 4: next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. 632 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: All right, so I will just end because you brought 633 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: up life being expensive, and obviously the president was out 634 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that life is getting less expensive 635 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: and people don't necessarily feel that way. 636 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 4: So what's your prediction for the midterms. 637 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: So we're sitting here, you know, eleven months away from 638 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: people being able to vote. I think that the economy 639 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: is going to be white hot, meaning in a good way. 640 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: Here's the challenge. You and I are young enough that 641 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: we don't remember this. People may say, like, I look 642 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: old enough like I should, and so I respect that, 643 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: but I'm not actually of age where I can remember 644 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: the Jimmy Carter era and the transition into Reagan. I 645 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: remember Reagan two point oh, not Reagan one point oh. 646 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: But I think that we have to get mortgage rates down. 647 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: A lot of people who were fortunate enough to get 648 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: two and a half or three percent before this crazy 649 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: Biden inflation took off are sitting there now. They're not 650 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: selling their homes, and people have to get used to 651 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: what things cost. 652 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: Now. I've said it before. 653 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: When I take my boys and we go to Chick 654 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: fil A and it's over fifty dollars. I know I 655 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: sound like an old guy here, but I'm just like 656 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: you should be able to sit down at an actual 657 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: rest fifty dollars. Now I get a you know, chicken 658 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: sandwich and you know, some waffle fries for my boys 659 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 2: and a couple of drinks for them too, and everything, 660 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, that'll be fifty six dollars. Sorry, 661 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you talking about? Like that's a 662 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 2: huge amount of money to be still in my head. 663 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: And so I think people are going to have to 664 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: get used to it. And the challenge. You know this 665 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: because you've run the challenge is you have to balance 666 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: the line between telling people that things are getting better 667 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: without being condescending and making them feel like you don't 668 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: respect the fact of what things cost. Does that make sense. 669 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: You have to be able to say things are getting 670 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: better without telling. 671 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: Them that things are growing. 672 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 4: And that's hard. 673 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 3: That's a hard line. 674 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 4: So I will tell you. 675 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: I remember when I graduated from college, I spent a 676 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: semester after that in London, and when I got there, 677 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: I was just riding like cabs and stuff. 678 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 4: But I remember we stopped one day to get. 679 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: Gas and it was fifty pounds and I calculated that 680 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: in my head and I thought, I cannot even imagine 681 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: because I was paying maybe eighteen bucks for. 682 00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 4: A tank of gas. 683 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought that was insane fifty pounds, and 684 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: now every time it's one hundred dollars to film my tank, 685 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: that's right crazy to me. 686 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: No, I mean, and look, that is frustration that people feel. 687 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 2: And I think when I talk to people who are older, 688 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: they say, remember, Reagan wasn't that popular the first term. 689 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: Everybody remembers in eighty four that he won the landslide election, 690 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: but it took about three years is ish for people 691 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: to start to see the economy turn from Carter and 692 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 2: so I suspect that it's going to be tough to 693 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: see tremendous accomplishment in the way people feel by the 694 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 2: midterms next year. So look, I think we're going to 695 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 2: be roughly even in the Senate. I don't think it's 696 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: going to move very much, but I would make Democrats 697 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 2: a small favorite based on redistricting and the anger out 698 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: there to take back the House. And if that happens, 699 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: basically we're going to have two years where not very 700 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: much can occur, and then we go along impeachment. Yeah, 701 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 2: and mell impeach Trump a one hundred percent will. 702 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 4: That's going to be horrible. 703 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: Well, we are going to work hard to make sure 704 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. 705 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 4: So Michigan is going to work for you makes state. 706 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: Look, we talked about this because I was up at 707 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: back and all with you for the conference there, Governor 708 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: and Senate Michigan. As Michigan goes, I think at this 709 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 2: point is the way the nation goes. So I think 710 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 2: everybody up there is going to have to my wife's 711 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: home state. Y'all are going to have to make good 712 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 2: decisions because you're going to drive the future of the country. 713 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: I really think, well, we're fighting. We're fighting here. Clay Travis, 714 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You 715 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: are always fun to talk to. 716 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 3: Thank you for killing it on the podcast. 717 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to you and your girls, and hope you 718 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 2: guys have an awesome holiday season. 719 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 4: Thank you. 720 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you, and Merry Christmas to all of you. 721 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining the podcast. 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