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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Aron, welcome back to the Book of Joe Podcasts

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Speaker 1: with Me, Tom Berducci, and of course Joe Madden. Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start off by issuing a decree.

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Speaker 2: Does that sound okay?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what a decree is? I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's actually.

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Speaker 1: From a Latin word back in the fourteenth century. Something decided.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like, you know, I should unroll a

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Speaker 1: parchment paper before I announce this.

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Speaker 2: But here's my decree, Joe. You can no longer say.

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Speaker 1: It's early in the twenty twenty four baseball season, right,

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Speaker 1: We're coming up to basically the quarter pole of the season,

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Speaker 1: almost twenty five percent of the season being played. And

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Speaker 1: I know it's something that a lot of managers and

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Speaker 1: coaches and players lean on when things aren't going right.

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Speaker 2: It's early, there's a long way to go, it's a marathon,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: And what I'm seeing Joe around baseball is complete domination

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Speaker 1: by pitching. I mean, it is such a tough hitting environment.

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Speaker 1: And I understand as the weather warms up, as the

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Speaker 1: year goes on, hitting will pick up, but I'm telling you, Joe,

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Speaker 1: from what I'm seeing on a nightly basis, here, hitting

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Speaker 1: is really really challenged. The major league batting average is

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Speaker 1: two thirty nine. Will it get better yes, Will it

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Speaker 1: get much better no. I think we're looking at a year, Joe,

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Speaker 1: where pitching is going to continue to dominate. So that's

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Speaker 1: my decree, is that if you're waiting for your team

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Speaker 1: to start busting out, it ain't happening. This is the

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Speaker 1: game that we have right now. I mean, you're watching

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Speaker 1: these games, Joe, you see what is happening to hitting here.

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Speaker 1: It is tough to find real good hitting. I know

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Speaker 1: you've got teams like the Phillies, the Braves, the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: but overall hitting is down this year, and like way down.

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Speaker 3: I guess there's a variety of factors that have to

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Speaker 3: be involved in something like that. For years, I've been

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Speaker 3: professing claiming that when it comes to data and analytics,

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Speaker 3: it really does sway to the picture's favor whether it's

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Speaker 3: how pictures should pitch a certain hitters, the shape of

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Speaker 3: his pitches, et ceter or what this guy is good

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Speaker 3: or bad at. Then on top of that, you place

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Speaker 3: your defense in the right spots because that's where the

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Speaker 3: large sample size is and almost infallible. So I think

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Speaker 3: that starts with that right there, there's no question about that.

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Speaker 3: Beyond that, we've talked about the velocity, and now you're

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Speaker 3: talking about teams like Boston did only throw breaking balls.

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Speaker 3: Hitters are constantly in a state of adjusting right now,

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Speaker 3: and again they're in a reactive moment. They're not proactive.

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Speaker 3: Defense is proactive. Pictures are proactive. Hitters are reacting to stuff,

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Speaker 3: and the stuff seems to be getting better constantly. What's

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Speaker 3: the answer. I'm not one hundred percent sure what the

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Speaker 3: answer may be. Again, if you could just somehow relegate

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Speaker 3: your power to something that just happens and not attempt

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Speaker 3: to manifest power, because that's what it's all about. Everybody

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Speaker 3: talks about you win only by the home run, but

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Speaker 3: if you want to hit the ball, you definitely have

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Speaker 3: to make different adaptations in terms only mentally in order

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Speaker 3: to me more make more contact more consistently. So again,

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Speaker 3: it's part of it. I think it's philosophical, But a

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Speaker 3: big part of it is that pitching and defense have

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Speaker 3: enormous I think advantages based on the data analytical game.

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Speaker 3: That's being played today, and listen, I've tried for years

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Speaker 3: with that too. For me, as a hitting coach, you

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Speaker 3: just need to be able to teach your hitter to

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Speaker 3: be able to react to different situations. The two strike approach,

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Speaker 3: I'm still a big believer in that. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's preached all that much. I think the opposite field

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Speaker 3: all like the three an homer who doesn't ear. We

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Speaker 3: were talked about it years ago and he was right.

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Speaker 3: But the pitcher ain't throwing three ren homers. You up

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Speaker 3: there trying to hit it, it's not happening. Brother. Putting

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Speaker 3: the ball in the game make the other team execute.

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Speaker 3: You know, the stolen base is becoming more prolific, but

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Speaker 3: it still doesn't necessarily ensure runs. So again it comes

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Speaker 3: down to for me, pitchers and defense have all the advantages.

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Speaker 3: Hitters have to concede and attempt to do something else

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way we're getting the two fifty I'd

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Speaker 1: love to see that, but that ain't happening.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to give you credit, Joe.

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Speaker 1: You were on this early as the information started pouring

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Speaker 3: This is what.

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Speaker 1: Pictures going down and they're just so the supply of

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Speaker 1: think is a hitting crisis going on right now. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, the batting average this year is two thirty nine. Now,

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Speaker 1: sixty eight. And of course that was the year. You know,

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Speaker 1: something to get more offense back in this game. Hits

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Speaker 1: it's seven point ninety nine. It's it's slipped under eight

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. Uh, this goes on and on and on, Joe,

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Speaker 1: not really velocity, it's really the shape of pitches and

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Speaker 1: breaking pitches now velocity, Yes, you can't really separate and

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Speaker 1: isolate pitching. You have to look at things used in tandem.

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Speaker 1: You know this, Joe, sequencing is super important. But just

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, be all that as it may, and it's

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Speaker 3: all true. So what do you do? You just concede,

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Speaker 3: and again it's the definition of insanity, right, keep doing

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Speaker 3: I think it's a philosophical change needs to be had.

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Speaker 3: Contact has to be more sought after, ball has to

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Speaker 3: reason to me with all the swing and miss strike

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Speaker 3: and I want them to continue to power the ball, yes,

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Speaker 3: the two strikes, something different, just a little concession, please

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Speaker 3: back to Timmy Salmon. I mean, you know, Timothy would

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Speaker 3: and with that you're still gonna get these same kind

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Speaker 1: For me, I think there has to be a more

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Speaker 1: balanced approach. You can't have everybody swinging for home runs.

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Speaker 1: the baseball and get people in. And I do think

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Speaker 1: I will say this too, I think the biggest problem

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Speaker 1: I really believe that. I think it's never been better,

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Speaker 1: and I've been saying that for years. Think about this.

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Speaker 1: I just looked at this today. The percentage of pitches

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Speaker 1: I want to continue our deep dive into the state

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Speaker 1: You've been talking about the state of hitting in Major

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Speaker 1: almost the third of major league teams are hitting no

432
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Speaker 1: better than two twenty seven so far the twenty twenty

433
00:21:09,758 --> 00:21:13,438
Speaker 1: fourth season. The White Sox, the Reds, which is surprising,

434
00:21:13,518 --> 00:21:17,438
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, who are absolutely terrible, the Oakland A's, the

435
00:21:17,558 --> 00:21:21,518
Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners who are actually in first place, Detroit Tigers,

436
00:21:21,598 --> 00:21:24,398
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates, Toronto Blue Jays.

437
00:21:23,998 --> 00:21:25,238
Speaker 2: And Miami Marlins.

438
00:21:25,958 --> 00:21:29,998
Speaker 1: Now, the number of players who are hitting under two

439
00:21:30,238 --> 00:21:34,158
Speaker 1: hundred qualified. That means they have at least with at

440
00:21:34,158 --> 00:21:37,198
Speaker 1: three point one plate appearances per game played. So qualified

441
00:21:37,278 --> 00:21:42,678
Speaker 1: hitters hitting under two hundred is eighteen. That's tied for

442
00:21:42,758 --> 00:21:45,278
Speaker 1: the most and I realized it probably won't end this way,

443
00:21:45,318 --> 00:21:47,438
Speaker 1: But just to give you a perspective on how unusual

444
00:21:47,558 --> 00:21:49,998
Speaker 1: that number is it's tied for the most in the

445
00:21:50,038 --> 00:21:55,878
Speaker 1: season since eighteen eighty four. The most since eighteen eighty

446
00:21:55,878 --> 00:21:59,878
Speaker 1: five has been nine players hitting under two hundred, and

447
00:21:59,918 --> 00:22:02,318
Speaker 1: that happened during the war in nineteen forty four, So

448
00:22:02,398 --> 00:22:04,158
Speaker 1: you had a lot of guys just filling in because

449
00:22:04,198 --> 00:22:06,718
Speaker 1: a lot of the better players were doing service for

450
00:22:06,758 --> 00:22:08,998
Speaker 1: their country. And just to give you an idea of

451
00:22:09,118 --> 00:22:12,078
Speaker 1: some of the players hitting under two hundred this deep

452
00:22:12,118 --> 00:22:14,078
Speaker 1: into a season again, almost a quarter the way through

453
00:22:14,078 --> 00:22:18,958
Speaker 1: the season, Randy Rosarina, Boba Shit, Andrew Benin, Tendi, Nick Castiganos,

454
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Speaker 1: Matt Olson. These are really good players. Will they finish

455
00:22:22,638 --> 00:22:25,998
Speaker 1: under two hundred? No, But the point is this is

456
00:22:26,118 --> 00:22:28,278
Speaker 1: very common now. If you see a hitter now in

457
00:22:28,278 --> 00:22:31,358
Speaker 1: the big leagues who's hitting two thirty nine, you're like,

458
00:22:32,038 --> 00:22:34,718
Speaker 1: that guy's got to pick it up, right, that's actually

459
00:22:34,838 --> 00:22:38,078
Speaker 1: pretty good in today's game, you have to readjust your

460
00:22:38,078 --> 00:22:40,158
Speaker 1: site to people and stop getting on guys are it

461
00:22:40,198 --> 00:22:43,718
Speaker 1: in two thirty nine, because that's keeping your head above water.

462
00:22:44,358 --> 00:22:46,918
Speaker 2: It's just crazy. And that brings me to hobby by

463
00:22:46,958 --> 00:22:47,798
Speaker 2: as Joe.

464
00:22:48,318 --> 00:22:51,998
Speaker 1: And you know he's still the same hitter where you

465
00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:54,718
Speaker 1: can just flip the slider on the outside part of

466
00:22:54,718 --> 00:22:57,158
Speaker 1: the plate. Off the plate, he's going to chase it.

467
00:22:57,238 --> 00:22:59,678
Speaker 1: Nobody sees more pitches out of the strikes home because

468
00:23:00,118 --> 00:23:01,718
Speaker 1: he's going to keep swinging at it.

469
00:23:02,198 --> 00:23:04,838
Speaker 2: And here's my theory, Joe, and you know him really well.

470
00:23:05,638 --> 00:23:07,918
Speaker 1: I think the changes of the game have really hurt

471
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Speaker 1: Hobby Bayez because when he was young, he got by

472
00:23:10,598 --> 00:23:15,238
Speaker 1: on almost pure athleticism, incredible batspeed. He was as good

473
00:23:15,278 --> 00:23:18,998
Speaker 1: of an opposite field hitter as anybody I saw, especially

474
00:23:19,038 --> 00:23:22,318
Speaker 1: on fastballs. That's all gone now, and I think the

475
00:23:22,358 --> 00:23:24,678
Speaker 1: way the game has changed with all this spin here,

476
00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:27,078
Speaker 1: they're just carving him up.

477
00:23:27,158 --> 00:23:29,278
Speaker 2: If you've got a flaw in today's game, first of.

478
00:23:29,278 --> 00:23:30,718
Speaker 1: All, they know it on the day you get to

479
00:23:30,758 --> 00:23:32,398
Speaker 1: the big leagues because they have the data from the

480
00:23:32,438 --> 00:23:36,238
Speaker 1: minor leagues, and they're getting him out the same way

481
00:23:36,278 --> 00:23:39,078
Speaker 1: time and time again. And I think just the way

482
00:23:39,118 --> 00:23:43,038
Speaker 1: the game is now, it's really conspired against hitters like

483
00:23:43,118 --> 00:23:45,958
Speaker 1: Hobby Bayez who just don't have a really good specific

484
00:23:45,998 --> 00:23:46,798
Speaker 1: plan at the plate.

485
00:23:47,158 --> 00:23:48,238
Speaker 2: Joe, you know him well.

486
00:23:48,598 --> 00:23:51,958
Speaker 1: We've talked about his baseball IQ such a smart player.

487
00:23:52,038 --> 00:23:54,998
Speaker 1: He's still one of the best defenders and taggers that

488
00:23:55,238 --> 00:23:59,118
Speaker 1: you can actually see anywhere in the middle infield. But offensively, man,

489
00:23:59,158 --> 00:24:01,318
Speaker 1: it's tough watching this guy get out the same way

490
00:24:01,438 --> 00:24:02,278
Speaker 1: night in night out.

491
00:24:02,638 --> 00:24:06,918
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we went Spurs and Chicago, and my way

492
00:24:06,918 --> 00:24:08,758
Speaker 3: with Hobby was I would call him in the office.

493
00:24:08,878 --> 00:24:11,598
Speaker 3: We'd have a discussion and I was just and I'm

494
00:24:11,598 --> 00:24:13,718
Speaker 3: sure they've done that there, but I would sit there

495
00:24:14,238 --> 00:24:17,798
Speaker 3: and recap what's going on and then give him my thoughts.

496
00:24:17,838 --> 00:24:21,118
Speaker 3: And you've already touched on it, and it's true. I mean,

497
00:24:21,198 --> 00:24:23,718
Speaker 3: he has to think right center first, is a perfect

498
00:24:23,718 --> 00:24:25,678
Speaker 3: example of what the speed of the ball dictate where

499
00:24:25,678 --> 00:24:28,078
Speaker 3: you're going to hit it. And furthermore, with him, he's

500
00:24:28,078 --> 00:24:30,998
Speaker 3: got it and for as much as it's antithetical to him,

501
00:24:30,998 --> 00:24:33,038
Speaker 3: he's got to take power out of his head. And

502
00:24:33,078 --> 00:24:34,878
Speaker 3: he's just really he's one of those guys that has

503
00:24:34,918 --> 00:24:37,718
Speaker 3: to think single up the middle or the right center

504
00:24:37,758 --> 00:24:39,878
Speaker 3: field gap or even down the right field line first,

505
00:24:40,438 --> 00:24:42,678
Speaker 3: and then work it off that. I don't know to

506
00:24:42,758 --> 00:24:44,598
Speaker 3: what extent they've done it, but he's got this. I

507
00:24:44,678 --> 00:24:47,838
Speaker 3: used to say, he's got the John Daily swing. He

508
00:24:47,918 --> 00:24:50,238
Speaker 3: had this big old wrap it around the back of

509
00:24:50,278 --> 00:24:52,878
Speaker 3: his head swing and when he would time it up

510
00:24:53,078 --> 00:24:54,718
Speaker 3: it would, you know, be a beautiful thing. Hits the

511
00:24:54,718 --> 00:24:57,478
Speaker 3: ball really far and batting practice. He's fun to watch

512
00:24:57,518 --> 00:25:00,318
Speaker 3: because again, think about it as a golfer, if you

513
00:25:00,358 --> 00:25:02,318
Speaker 3: really take that big swing and rap it behind your

514
00:25:02,358 --> 00:25:04,638
Speaker 3: head like that, in golf, you want to be a

515
00:25:04,678 --> 00:25:06,718
Speaker 3: little bit more accurate. But him, he doesn't matter where

516
00:25:06,718 --> 00:25:07,918
Speaker 3: he hits it. He's ass hats h it it as

517
00:25:07,958 --> 00:25:10,078
Speaker 3: hard and far as he can, and he would so

518
00:25:10,198 --> 00:25:12,278
Speaker 3: I at some point, he's got to have to make

519
00:25:12,318 --> 00:25:14,998
Speaker 3: a mechanical adjustment. He's got to cut it down. He's

520
00:25:14,998 --> 00:25:16,398
Speaker 3: got to shorten that up. He's got to have a

521
00:25:16,438 --> 00:25:19,798
Speaker 3: completely different thought process. But that's not easy to do

522
00:25:19,998 --> 00:25:22,638
Speaker 3: for him right now and where he's at in his career.

523
00:25:22,678 --> 00:25:25,078
Speaker 3: But that I believe that it's got to be middle

524
00:25:25,118 --> 00:25:28,038
Speaker 3: to feel like you've suggested, it's got to be. And

525
00:25:28,078 --> 00:25:31,438
Speaker 3: again a perfect example, breaking ball pitched for a ball

526
00:25:31,518 --> 00:25:34,118
Speaker 3: set it up. Watch this because he sees it in

527
00:25:34,118 --> 00:25:36,558
Speaker 3: the game, and I know he knows, but this would

528
00:25:36,558 --> 00:25:38,118
Speaker 3: be a one on one thing too. It would not

529
00:25:38,198 --> 00:25:41,158
Speaker 3: be the bunch of people watching this. This kind of

530
00:25:41,158 --> 00:25:44,278
Speaker 3: situation for me with the hitter, a player that's really struggling.

531
00:25:44,318 --> 00:25:45,878
Speaker 3: I used to like to get him out early, early,

532
00:25:45,918 --> 00:25:48,558
Speaker 3: when nobody else was around, and we'd go over stuff

533
00:25:48,558 --> 00:25:51,358
Speaker 3: because sometimes guys are actually embarrassed by that. They'll never

534
00:25:51,398 --> 00:25:53,758
Speaker 3: admit it, but they are. So when you want to

535
00:25:53,758 --> 00:25:56,038
Speaker 3: make a deep dive of adjustment, get him out with

536
00:25:56,158 --> 00:26:00,238
Speaker 3: nobody else around. And it could be almost every day,

537
00:26:00,278 --> 00:26:03,118
Speaker 3: like what is it twenty we said twenty one consecutive days.

538
00:26:03,358 --> 00:26:05,478
Speaker 3: In order to bring a habit or create a new

539
00:26:05,478 --> 00:26:09,838
Speaker 3: one by doing something differently, this something requires like that

540
00:26:09,958 --> 00:26:13,278
Speaker 3: kind of an approach, and we require, you know, a

541
00:26:13,358 --> 00:26:16,998
Speaker 3: total bund from the player. So that's that's my thought.

542
00:26:17,158 --> 00:26:20,598
Speaker 3: With that, I'll say another thing smites on nuts and

543
00:26:20,638 --> 00:26:22,438
Speaker 3: it might be a little bit too late, but I

544
00:26:22,438 --> 00:26:24,918
Speaker 3: think Mary Wells did it. Scout could hit left handed.

545
00:26:25,238 --> 00:26:27,918
Speaker 3: He could really hit left handed. He's he's that good

546
00:26:27,958 --> 00:26:30,478
Speaker 3: of an athlete, or at least take more batting practice

547
00:26:30,518 --> 00:26:32,558
Speaker 3: left handed. I'm a big believer in that just do

548
00:26:32,638 --> 00:26:36,998
Speaker 3: things differently. In order to see differently, to feel differently,

549
00:26:37,038 --> 00:26:41,478
Speaker 3: to visualize differently. It requires a unique kind of a

550
00:26:41,518 --> 00:26:44,198
Speaker 3: strategy to get him out of where he's at right

551
00:26:44,198 --> 00:26:46,958
Speaker 3: now and into something differently. All those things, I would

552
00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:50,758
Speaker 3: just make it wide open, but to work with him

553
00:26:50,798 --> 00:26:53,798
Speaker 3: would be if it's a seven o'clock game and it's

554
00:26:53,838 --> 00:26:56,318
Speaker 3: at home, it probably probably it would be about two

555
00:26:56,318 --> 00:26:57,278
Speaker 3: o'clock on the field.

556
00:26:58,238 --> 00:26:58,958
Speaker 2: Yeah.

557
00:26:59,358 --> 00:27:01,198
Speaker 1: By the way, I like the idea. I've seen him

558
00:27:01,198 --> 00:27:03,918
Speaker 1: swing left handed. You know, even if it's a batting price.

559
00:27:04,038 --> 00:27:07,758
Speaker 1: The situation, you know, you almost want to shock the

560
00:27:07,918 --> 00:27:11,158
Speaker 1: mind and do something completely different to get out of

561
00:27:11,198 --> 00:27:13,158
Speaker 1: this rut that you're in. And also I should point

562
00:27:13,158 --> 00:27:16,838
Speaker 1: out he's had a bulky lower back issue too. I

563
00:27:16,878 --> 00:27:18,878
Speaker 1: mean a lot of times he won't play the day

564
00:27:18,918 --> 00:27:22,998
Speaker 1: game after a night game. He's lost explosiveness and he's

565
00:27:23,158 --> 00:27:25,918
Speaker 1: not the same athlete. It's still a really good one,

566
00:27:25,998 --> 00:27:29,918
Speaker 1: but that explosiveness still isn't there. And by the way,

567
00:27:30,078 --> 00:27:32,358
Speaker 1: I look at this Detroit Tigers team, and they're a

568
00:27:32,358 --> 00:27:34,438
Speaker 1: good example to me of what's happening in the game.

569
00:27:34,478 --> 00:27:37,278
Speaker 1: They're pitching is really really good and it's being wasted

570
00:27:37,278 --> 00:27:40,878
Speaker 1: because their offense is just it's awful. Baiez has been,

571
00:27:40,998 --> 00:27:43,558
Speaker 1: you know, pushed way down to the order. Hitting eighth,

572
00:27:43,838 --> 00:27:47,118
Speaker 1: he's pretty much almost an automatic out because you don't

573
00:27:47,118 --> 00:27:49,198
Speaker 1: need to throw them strikes. And they have a lot

574
00:27:49,198 --> 00:27:52,358
Speaker 1: of young players Joe that just on the major league level.

575
00:27:52,518 --> 00:27:56,918
Speaker 1: They're just getting overwhelmed. Colt Keith and Parker Meadows and

576
00:27:57,038 --> 00:28:00,558
Speaker 1: Carry Carpenter. And then there's Spencer Torkelsen. He was the

577
00:28:00,718 --> 00:28:03,278
Speaker 1: number one overall pick in the draft. He had a

578
00:28:03,318 --> 00:28:05,878
Speaker 1: really good year last year. He started slow and came on,

579
00:28:05,958 --> 00:28:08,358
Speaker 1: hit some home runs late, looked like, Okay, this is

580
00:28:08,398 --> 00:28:10,398
Speaker 1: the guy that you saw when you drafted him. Won

581
00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:13,078
Speaker 1: to one and I see the guy now, Joe, and

582
00:28:13,318 --> 00:28:15,718
Speaker 1: he's lost as well. And what I don't like is

583
00:28:15,758 --> 00:28:19,758
Speaker 1: he creates absolutely no rhythm with his hands. He is

584
00:28:20,038 --> 00:28:23,798
Speaker 1: hitting under two hundred on fastballs, getting beat consistently on fastballs,

585
00:28:23,878 --> 00:28:27,558
Speaker 1: late on fastballs, out front, on breaking pitches. His pull

586
00:28:27,678 --> 00:28:30,278
Speaker 1: rate actually is sky high, as over fifty percent because

587
00:28:30,278 --> 00:28:33,038
Speaker 1: he's pulling off speed pitches. And you know, Joe, that's

588
00:28:33,078 --> 00:28:34,798
Speaker 1: the worst place to be it as a hitter, where

589
00:28:34,798 --> 00:28:37,678
Speaker 1: your timing is so messed up. You're late on fastballs

590
00:28:37,958 --> 00:28:40,718
Speaker 1: and you're early on off speed. And that's where he is.

591
00:28:41,278 --> 00:28:43,798
Speaker 1: And it reminds me of Cody Billinger when he first

592
00:28:43,798 --> 00:28:46,918
Speaker 1: came up. He moved nothing in his hands until the

593
00:28:46,958 --> 00:28:50,078
Speaker 1: ball was actually released by the pitcher. Good enough athlete,

594
00:28:50,118 --> 00:28:52,638
Speaker 1: great bat speed to get away with that for a while.

595
00:28:52,798 --> 00:28:55,238
Speaker 1: Eventually caught up with him and he's made some changes.

596
00:28:55,838 --> 00:28:58,198
Speaker 1: I think that's where Spencer Torkoson is at. I see

597
00:28:58,198 --> 00:29:01,038
Speaker 1: this guy hitting with this upright posture. He's really big

598
00:29:01,078 --> 00:29:04,638
Speaker 1: on mechanics and trying to be as balance and as

599
00:29:04,718 --> 00:29:08,638
Speaker 1: quiet as possible, but there's nothing happening with rhythm in

600
00:29:08,758 --> 00:29:11,158
Speaker 1: terms of his hands and getting that bat started before

601
00:29:11,158 --> 00:29:13,438
Speaker 1: the ball's out of the pitcher's hand. And again he's

602
00:29:13,478 --> 00:29:17,038
Speaker 1: doing that from an upright position, so there's nothing engaged.

603
00:29:17,078 --> 00:29:17,318
Speaker 3: You know.

604
00:29:17,398 --> 00:29:20,118
Speaker 1: Chili Davis once told me, and he's a great hitting coach,

605
00:29:20,878 --> 00:29:24,718
Speaker 1: you always need to be gaining on velocity. You know,

606
00:29:24,918 --> 00:29:27,798
Speaker 1: you can't wait on velocity. You've got to get yourself sick,

607
00:29:27,878 --> 00:29:30,118
Speaker 1: get some rhythm going in it. And I think Spencer

608
00:29:30,158 --> 00:29:34,238
Speaker 1: torkal Sai with no home runs, just getting overwhelmed on velocity.

609
00:29:34,718 --> 00:29:37,198
Speaker 1: He's a guy, and I know he's big on process,

610
00:29:37,238 --> 00:29:40,718
Speaker 1: and a lot of these hitters rely a lot on process, process, process,

611
00:29:40,758 --> 00:29:43,398
Speaker 1: But the Big League is about results, man, and he's

612
00:29:43,438 --> 00:29:45,638
Speaker 1: another guy. I would get him back in the lab

613
00:29:45,678 --> 00:29:48,558
Speaker 1: and try something different, create some rhythm in the batter's box.

614
00:29:49,198 --> 00:29:52,358
Speaker 3: Wow, there's a lot to unpack there. You know when

615
00:29:52,398 --> 00:29:55,598
Speaker 3: you just a couple of quick notes from me. Number one,

616
00:29:55,638 --> 00:29:58,438
Speaker 3: he's definitely in the maybe mode. Sounds to me like

617
00:29:58,478 --> 00:30:02,958
Speaker 3: he's guessing. Ersty Darren Urstatt Ersty would get like that sometimes,

618
00:30:02,998 --> 00:30:05,398
Speaker 3: And I said, EARSTI you're in mode where it's maybe

619
00:30:05,398 --> 00:30:07,598
Speaker 3: a fastball, maybe it's a breaking ball. To me, when

620
00:30:07,638 --> 00:30:09,598
Speaker 3: you get into maybe mode, it's you've got a narrow

621
00:30:09,678 --> 00:30:11,478
Speaker 3: dyne to make it always one thing and for me

622
00:30:12,078 --> 00:30:15,718
Speaker 3: always preferred fastball. If your mind is not set mentally

623
00:30:15,758 --> 00:30:18,398
Speaker 3: to whatever that velocity could be, there's no way you're

624
00:30:18,398 --> 00:30:20,198
Speaker 3: going to catch up to it. You can't. You can't.

625
00:30:20,678 --> 00:30:23,878
Speaker 3: And if the breaking ball gets so embedded you're worried

626
00:30:23,918 --> 00:30:26,238
Speaker 3: about chasing that, and then you have to like split

627
00:30:26,318 --> 00:30:29,358
Speaker 3: your concentration before the balls thrown on the breaking ball. Also,

628
00:30:30,038 --> 00:30:32,598
Speaker 3: no chance the guy chooses to throw a fastball, there

629
00:30:32,758 --> 00:30:35,318
Speaker 3: is zero chance you hit that ball like you would

630
00:30:35,398 --> 00:30:37,958
Speaker 3: like to with any kind of authority. So it sounds

631
00:30:37,998 --> 00:30:40,318
Speaker 3: like he's absolutely in the in the maybe mode. And

632
00:30:40,398 --> 00:30:43,078
Speaker 3: number two, you did mention he's really into his mechanics,

633
00:30:43,078 --> 00:30:45,598
Speaker 3: and that's that's that's our fault. I mean that really

634
00:30:45,638 --> 00:30:50,038
Speaker 3: the advent of mechanics really teaching mechanics. I tell you

635
00:30:50,038 --> 00:30:52,518
Speaker 3: exactly when it happens. In the eighties became a more

636
00:30:52,518 --> 00:30:54,798
Speaker 3: of a mechanical game when it came to hitting, as

637
00:30:54,798 --> 00:30:57,078
Speaker 3: opposed to more of a mental game. Because even as

638
00:30:57,078 --> 00:30:59,238
Speaker 3: a young player in the seventies, I remember going out

639
00:30:59,278 --> 00:31:02,318
Speaker 3: for early work and all it was was hit the

640
00:31:02,358 --> 00:31:04,958
Speaker 3: ball part of the part of the other early work

641
00:31:05,038 --> 00:31:06,518
Speaker 3: was hit the second basement in the foot with the

642
00:31:06,518 --> 00:31:09,238
Speaker 3: line drive. And then from that thought, all your mechanics

643
00:31:09,278 --> 00:31:10,838
Speaker 3: are set up off of that thought. The ball is

644
00:31:10,838 --> 00:31:12,758
Speaker 3: going to get deeper, you gonna stay above the ball,

645
00:31:13,118 --> 00:31:15,998
Speaker 3: you hit, drive the ball the other way. No fly balls,

646
00:31:16,038 --> 00:31:18,438
Speaker 3: line drive, hard ground ball. Everything's going to be set

647
00:31:18,518 --> 00:31:20,558
Speaker 3: up by that one thought. But now in the early eighties,

648
00:31:20,838 --> 00:31:23,278
Speaker 3: I'm not blaming anybody, but like when Benny Heinz came on,

649
00:31:23,558 --> 00:31:26,278
Speaker 3: or Rick Down came on, and that particular group Jimmy

650
00:31:26,358 --> 00:31:29,198
Speaker 3: Lefever came on where they were really good at explaining mechanics,

651
00:31:29,598 --> 00:31:32,638
Speaker 3: then then it really became more in vogue to discuss

652
00:31:32,718 --> 00:31:36,958
Speaker 3: mechanics more than the feel of the game necessarily. And

653
00:31:37,198 --> 00:31:40,478
Speaker 3: I just think, and again here comes where technologies both

654
00:31:40,518 --> 00:31:42,918
Speaker 3: could be both good and bad. If you're just so

655
00:31:43,038 --> 00:31:46,038
Speaker 3: absorbed into the tech of the game and the mechanics

656
00:31:46,118 --> 00:31:49,038
Speaker 3: of the game, you forget to compete. I remember with KB,

657
00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:52,358
Speaker 3: Chris Bryant KB being on deck in the hole getting

658
00:31:52,358 --> 00:31:53,678
Speaker 3: ready for his set bat and I used to like

659
00:31:53,718 --> 00:31:55,638
Speaker 3: BS with but before he went up there, just try

660
00:31:55,678 --> 00:31:58,158
Speaker 3: to help him out a little bit. But my advice

661
00:31:58,278 --> 00:32:00,838
Speaker 3: almost one hundred percent of the time to KB was listen, man,

662
00:32:00,918 --> 00:32:02,758
Speaker 3: go up there and compete. Go up there and beat

663
00:32:02,798 --> 00:32:05,678
Speaker 3: that guy. Don't let him eat you. He's trying to

664
00:32:05,718 --> 00:32:09,318
Speaker 3: keep food off your table. Beat that picture, period. Compete

665
00:32:09,398 --> 00:32:12,838
Speaker 3: with him. So I think we don't teach compete. We

666
00:32:12,958 --> 00:32:16,958
Speaker 3: teach everything but compete. We rely so much on the

667
00:32:16,998 --> 00:32:19,518
Speaker 3: mechanics of the game in order to get us by

668
00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:22,318
Speaker 3: that sometimes you just you forget to just go out

669
00:32:22,318 --> 00:32:25,758
Speaker 3: there and play West Tasleton and you want to beat

670
00:32:25,758 --> 00:32:27,478
Speaker 3: West Tasleton. You know why because they had a different

671
00:32:27,518 --> 00:32:29,238
Speaker 3: uniform on and you hated them, even though you didn't

672
00:32:29,278 --> 00:32:31,438
Speaker 3: know why. I mean, it really comes down to that

673
00:32:31,518 --> 00:32:34,238
Speaker 3: sometimes too, And I don't know that players rely on

674
00:32:34,278 --> 00:32:37,078
Speaker 3: that enough. I'm gonna beat you. You're on the other team,

675
00:32:37,158 --> 00:32:39,478
Speaker 3: I don't like you, I'm gonna beat you. And I

676
00:32:39,518 --> 00:32:41,998
Speaker 3: still believe that there's some power in that thought. Also,

677
00:32:42,518 --> 00:32:44,558
Speaker 3: So these are the kind of things to me as

678
00:32:44,558 --> 00:32:48,118
Speaker 3: a coach if a guy is struggling that badly, and

679
00:32:48,238 --> 00:32:50,678
Speaker 3: even say for Hobby as an example, I would try

680
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,318
Speaker 3: to get him out of the maybe mode. Let's set

681
00:32:52,358 --> 00:32:55,638
Speaker 3: on one thing right here, and let's get more into

682
00:32:55,718 --> 00:32:58,558
Speaker 3: the mental approach. Like you want to talk process routine.

683
00:32:58,958 --> 00:33:01,598
Speaker 3: How do you walk up to the plate? Todd Green,

684
00:33:02,238 --> 00:33:05,198
Speaker 3: Jackie Snow, I'd have him the bat as they went

685
00:33:05,278 --> 00:33:08,158
Speaker 3: up to the plate, squeeze it, squeeze it, squeeze it squeeze.

686
00:33:08,158 --> 00:33:11,878
Speaker 3: At the moment the head of the bat touchtone plate, relax.

687
00:33:12,518 --> 00:33:14,838
Speaker 3: You don't know what relaxes until you know what tight is.

688
00:33:14,918 --> 00:33:18,758
Speaker 3: As an example, the breadth. Another thing with Todd Green

689
00:33:18,798 --> 00:33:21,238
Speaker 3: to have him look at Jackie was Jackie, look at

690
00:33:21,278 --> 00:33:24,838
Speaker 3: the label on the bat, the louisbo Slugger label, whatever

691
00:33:24,878 --> 00:33:26,998
Speaker 3: it was at that time. And when you looked at

692
00:33:27,038 --> 00:33:29,118
Speaker 3: that before you got in the box, that meant middle

693
00:33:29,158 --> 00:33:31,998
Speaker 3: of the field. That meant middle. That's all. I wanted

694
00:33:31,998 --> 00:33:33,438
Speaker 3: them to focus on his middle. So you would do

695
00:33:33,478 --> 00:33:36,518
Speaker 3: little things like that to get them off of the mechanics,

696
00:33:36,518 --> 00:33:38,798
Speaker 3: and then you could react because brother, But the way

697
00:33:38,838 --> 00:33:41,318
Speaker 3: the ball's being thrown right now, if you have any

698
00:33:41,678 --> 00:33:44,078
Speaker 3: mechanical noise going on, you're not going to be able

699
00:33:44,118 --> 00:33:49,518
Speaker 3: to react. And any kind of teaching or I guess

700
00:33:49,638 --> 00:33:51,918
Speaker 3: learning you have to do before the game. If you

701
00:33:51,918 --> 00:33:54,198
Speaker 3: want to work off a t soft toss whatever, fine,

702
00:33:54,678 --> 00:33:56,478
Speaker 3: But once you get into that game, brother, it's got

703
00:33:56,518 --> 00:33:58,318
Speaker 3: to be c ball, hit ball, and you got to

704
00:33:58,318 --> 00:34:00,998
Speaker 3: train yourself to do that. Also, long answer, but I

705
00:34:01,038 --> 00:34:03,918
Speaker 3: don't even know to what extent some of these guys

706
00:34:03,958 --> 00:34:06,158
Speaker 3: you're really paying attention to that. Are they so absorbed

707
00:34:06,198 --> 00:34:07,758
Speaker 3: in their physical mechanics.

708
00:34:08,398 --> 00:34:09,278
Speaker 2: It's a great point.

709
00:34:09,358 --> 00:34:11,318
Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, the batter's box in a

710
00:34:11,358 --> 00:34:13,718
Speaker 1: game situation is not the place to be thinking at

711
00:34:13,758 --> 00:34:16,078
Speaker 1: all about mechanics. That's the time to be an athlete,

712
00:34:16,158 --> 00:34:19,118
Speaker 1: and as you said, to compete. I just think today's hitter,

713
00:34:19,238 --> 00:34:22,358
Speaker 1: based on the way pitching and stuff, is so good

714
00:34:22,918 --> 00:34:23,198
Speaker 1: to me.

715
00:34:23,358 --> 00:34:23,598
Speaker 3: Joe.

716
00:34:23,678 --> 00:34:26,398
Speaker 1: You have to pick out one approach. You've got guys

717
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:28,238
Speaker 1: in the batter's box. If you think you're trying to

718
00:34:28,238 --> 00:34:31,598
Speaker 1: cover everything, you are going to get buried by the

719
00:34:31,638 --> 00:34:34,558
Speaker 1: game today, and generally it's going to be fastballs. You

720
00:34:34,598 --> 00:34:36,678
Speaker 1: get a fastball to hit. You can't miss it in

721
00:34:36,718 --> 00:34:39,038
Speaker 1: today's game, so you better be ready for it.

722
00:34:39,118 --> 00:34:39,238
Speaker 3: Now.

723
00:34:39,238 --> 00:34:40,918
Speaker 2: There are times with some guys.

724
00:34:40,638 --> 00:34:43,158
Speaker 1: And especially relief pitchers, are going to throw their slider

725
00:34:43,678 --> 00:34:45,038
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time.

726
00:34:45,078 --> 00:34:46,718
Speaker 2: You've got to look for that, but for a hit

727
00:34:46,798 --> 00:34:47,718
Speaker 2: or at a step of the box.

728
00:34:47,718 --> 00:34:50,278
Speaker 1: To think about mechanics or to think about covering every

729
00:34:50,278 --> 00:34:52,318
Speaker 1: single pitch, No, you're done.

730
00:34:52,478 --> 00:34:55,598
Speaker 2: I mentioned Mike Trout. Mike Trout's the guy. His batting

731
00:34:55,598 --> 00:34:57,838
Speaker 2: average is suffered and you know.

732
00:34:58,078 --> 00:35:01,998
Speaker 1: He's become a slugger. There's more swing and missing his

733
00:35:02,078 --> 00:35:04,838
Speaker 1: game as well. But now he's not able to play.

734
00:35:05,278 --> 00:35:09,158
Speaker 1: Mike Trout just had surgery to repair a torn meniscus,

735
00:35:09,198 --> 00:35:13,118
Speaker 1: and that's a tricky injury, and those things vary depending

736
00:35:13,198 --> 00:35:16,598
Speaker 1: on how much of the meniscus was torn. But this

737
00:35:16,638 --> 00:35:19,238
Speaker 1: is going to be months more so than weeks for

738
00:35:19,358 --> 00:35:21,798
Speaker 1: Mike Trout. You probably will see him by the end

739
00:35:21,838 --> 00:35:25,838
Speaker 1: of the year. But it's a tricky rehab process because

740
00:35:25,878 --> 00:35:28,598
Speaker 1: that you think about the the meniscus is pretty much

741
00:35:28,718 --> 00:35:31,598
Speaker 1: like a gasket in your knee, and seventy five percent

742
00:35:31,598 --> 00:35:34,038
Speaker 1: of it does not get any blood flow into it.

743
00:35:34,158 --> 00:35:36,958
Speaker 1: So when they talk about repairing it, Most of the times,

744
00:35:36,958 --> 00:35:39,118
Speaker 1: all they're doing is clipping off part of it. It

745
00:35:39,158 --> 00:35:42,438
Speaker 1: does not repair itself. He's going to be fine, but

746
00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:45,118
Speaker 1: the rehab process is really long. It's actually if you

747
00:35:45,158 --> 00:35:47,878
Speaker 1: actually take the whole thing out, the rehab process is shorter.

748
00:35:48,478 --> 00:35:50,998
Speaker 1: But anyway, this is another year for Mike Trout when

749
00:35:50,998 --> 00:35:53,598
Speaker 1: we're not seeing him play every day. He has not

750
00:35:53,838 --> 00:35:58,118
Speaker 1: had five hundred played appearances in the season since twenty nineteen.

751
00:35:58,558 --> 00:36:01,798
Speaker 1: We're talking about five years, and I know the first

752
00:36:01,838 --> 00:36:05,638
Speaker 1: year that was pandemic related, but five years we're not

753
00:36:05,678 --> 00:36:08,718
Speaker 1: getting to see Mike Trout play on an everyday basis

754
00:36:08,758 --> 00:36:11,438
Speaker 1: and get five hundred played appearances. It's a shame if

755
00:36:11,438 --> 00:36:13,678
Speaker 1: you're an Angels fan, a Mike Trout fan, and a

756
00:36:13,718 --> 00:36:15,918
Speaker 1: lot of people are obviously it's a shame, But even

757
00:36:15,918 --> 00:36:17,998
Speaker 1: if you're a baseball fan, it's a true shame because

758
00:36:17,998 --> 00:36:21,358
Speaker 1: I'm thinking we're missing a big part of, you know,

759
00:36:21,398 --> 00:36:24,918
Speaker 1: a Hall of famer's prime of his career. My question

760
00:36:25,038 --> 00:36:28,518
Speaker 1: for you, Joe, is Mike Trout at this stage when

761
00:36:28,558 --> 00:36:31,438
Speaker 1: he does come back to the Angels, you know what

762
00:36:31,718 --> 00:36:34,758
Speaker 1: is he? And can you still play Mike Trout in

763
00:36:34,838 --> 00:36:37,758
Speaker 1: center field at thirty three years old, which he will

764
00:36:37,798 --> 00:36:40,198
Speaker 1: turn in August, and with this injury history.

765
00:36:40,478 --> 00:36:42,798
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those are things that you know, I

766
00:36:42,838 --> 00:36:45,398
Speaker 3: was trying to address while I was there too. I

767
00:36:45,678 --> 00:36:47,678
Speaker 3: think it would be wise to get him out of

768
00:36:47,678 --> 00:36:50,158
Speaker 3: center field. We talked about that. It was met with

769
00:36:50,198 --> 00:36:52,878
Speaker 3: some resistance, but whatever takes to keep him on the

770
00:36:52,918 --> 00:36:55,478
Speaker 3: fields what you do, and that would include days off

771
00:36:56,038 --> 00:36:59,398
Speaker 3: on occasion, just to make sure that he stays rested.

772
00:36:59,438 --> 00:37:01,878
Speaker 3: And possibly I don't know why. I mean, he's had

773
00:37:01,918 --> 00:37:04,478
Speaker 3: this propensity to break down and like I really freaky,

774
00:37:04,958 --> 00:37:07,318
Speaker 3: Like the time he bought his cap. He's handing Butterfield

775
00:37:07,318 --> 00:37:09,358
Speaker 3: his helmet and all of a sudden his cap blew out.

776
00:37:09,758 --> 00:37:12,398
Speaker 3: And from what I understand, the meniscus problem was kind

777
00:37:12,398 --> 00:37:13,918
Speaker 3: of the same kind of a thing. It was us

778
00:37:14,198 --> 00:37:16,318
Speaker 3: in occuus and all of a sudden that was an

779
00:37:16,358 --> 00:37:20,878
Speaker 3: issue too. So again I guess I'm contradicting myself because

780
00:37:21,438 --> 00:37:24,918
Speaker 3: these situations where he's gotten hurt have not been apparently

781
00:37:25,118 --> 00:37:28,678
Speaker 3: like an overuse or or a difficult moment or awkward situation.

782
00:37:29,238 --> 00:37:32,318
Speaker 3: It's just happened. It's just unfortunate. I mean, he is

783
00:37:32,438 --> 00:37:34,278
Speaker 3: all of that. He is that good. He's a great guy.

784
00:37:34,478 --> 00:37:38,038
Speaker 3: Probably one of the best bodied baseball players I've ever

785
00:37:38,078 --> 00:37:40,278
Speaker 3: been around. The guy could have played any sport. Well,

786
00:37:40,838 --> 00:37:44,998
Speaker 3: it's a shame. It is a shame, and I don't

787
00:37:45,038 --> 00:37:47,398
Speaker 3: know when it comes back. I would guard it a

788
00:37:47,398 --> 00:37:50,078
Speaker 3: little bit. You know, you still want to treat him

789
00:37:50,118 --> 00:37:51,958
Speaker 3: like trot and let him play as often as possible,

790
00:37:51,958 --> 00:37:54,038
Speaker 3: but he still want to guard it a bit. Whatever

791
00:37:54,078 --> 00:37:56,598
Speaker 3: it takes, put him in a corner, just take some

792
00:37:56,678 --> 00:37:59,518
Speaker 3: of the emphasis off of it. We all at some

793
00:37:59,598 --> 00:38:02,358
Speaker 3: point have to bury, you know what, a portion of

794
00:38:02,398 --> 00:38:05,998
Speaker 3: our egos in order to make adjust and I it

795
00:38:05,998 --> 00:38:08,118
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a bad idea at all, just to again,

796
00:38:08,238 --> 00:38:09,838
Speaker 3: just to take care of him. The big thing with

797
00:38:09,958 --> 00:38:12,238
Speaker 3: Mike Trout. If I'm the Angels, I want him on

798
00:38:12,238 --> 00:38:14,238
Speaker 3: the field. Whatever it takes to keep him on the field,

799
00:38:14,318 --> 00:38:17,678
Speaker 3: I would do that. And so you describe the meniscous

800
00:38:17,718 --> 00:38:20,478
Speaker 3: component of it. Hopefully that turns out well, But yes,

801
00:38:20,598 --> 00:38:22,158
Speaker 3: I would, I would do something differently.

802
00:38:22,878 --> 00:38:24,518
Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought up the idea. I think it was

803
00:38:24,518 --> 00:38:29,358
Speaker 1: spring training one year. Yeah, yeah, taking them out of center, yeah,

804
00:38:29,438 --> 00:38:30,878
Speaker 1: kick the hornets nest with that.

805
00:38:30,918 --> 00:38:34,758
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Oh my god, I mean everybody got involved

806
00:38:34,758 --> 00:38:37,358
Speaker 3: in it. Just seemed like the right thing to do.

807
00:38:37,438 --> 00:38:40,638
Speaker 3: And it's not positionally. I mean, like Pete Rose moved

808
00:38:40,678 --> 00:38:42,358
Speaker 3: all over the place, So you could go around a

809
00:38:42,358 --> 00:38:44,398
Speaker 3: lot of different guys that were pretty good athletes or

810
00:38:44,918 --> 00:38:47,118
Speaker 3: position players. They moved, They moved at some point in

811
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:50,118
Speaker 3: their career. It's no big deal. It's for you. It's

812
00:38:50,118 --> 00:38:52,158
Speaker 3: for you, and it's for us, whether it's for when,

813
00:38:52,198 --> 00:38:54,518
Speaker 3: it's for you and for us simultaneously, and then that's

814
00:38:54,598 --> 00:38:57,038
Speaker 3: kind of a win win. So that's all. That's all

815
00:38:57,078 --> 00:38:59,798
Speaker 3: that was all about. It's nothing else to do. You know,

816
00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:02,798
Speaker 3: at that time, Brandon marsh was available. You know, Joe

817
00:39:02,798 --> 00:39:05,118
Speaker 3: Odell was as sending a bit, but there are other options.

818
00:39:05,518 --> 00:39:08,318
Speaker 3: The point is Mike Trout on the field as often

819
00:39:08,358 --> 00:39:10,638
Speaker 3: as possible. How do we do that? What are the

820
00:39:10,678 --> 00:39:12,638
Speaker 3: concessions we both have to make to do that? And

821
00:39:12,678 --> 00:39:14,238
Speaker 3: you do it pretty simple for me.

822
00:39:14,918 --> 00:39:17,598
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'll be back and he'll still be a

823
00:39:17,638 --> 00:39:20,678
Speaker 1: great player. You know, I mentioned the batting average, but

824
00:39:20,718 --> 00:39:23,798
Speaker 1: Mike has become just a pure slugger these days. Sits

825
00:39:23,838 --> 00:39:25,878
Speaker 1: the ball a lot to the poll side, gets the

826
00:39:25,878 --> 00:39:27,758
Speaker 1: ball in the air. He's going to come back and

827
00:39:27,798 --> 00:39:31,838
Speaker 1: be dynamic. But as you mentioned, the keys making sure

828
00:39:31,878 --> 00:39:33,278
Speaker 1: he's out there as much as you can.

829
00:39:34,398 --> 00:39:34,638
Speaker 2: Joe.

830
00:39:34,638 --> 00:39:36,558
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break when we get back.

831
00:39:36,678 --> 00:39:38,438
Speaker 1: I've got some pet peeves I.

832
00:39:38,398 --> 00:39:40,198
Speaker 2: Wanted to bring up. You got any pet peeves.

833
00:39:40,758 --> 00:39:43,078
Speaker 1: I want you to think about them, and I'm going

834
00:39:43,118 --> 00:39:46,278
Speaker 1: to ask you if you've got something baseball related pet peeve,

835
00:39:47,118 --> 00:39:49,598
Speaker 1: it'll be your opportunity to get it off your chest

836
00:39:49,998 --> 00:39:50,598
Speaker 1: right after this.

837
00:40:02,038 --> 00:40:03,198
Speaker 2: All right, I started this.

838
00:40:03,238 --> 00:40:07,278
Speaker 1: Podcast talking about decrees, and I said, you can no

839
00:40:07,358 --> 00:40:09,718
Speaker 1: longer say it's early the baseball season. It's time to

840
00:40:09,758 --> 00:40:13,078
Speaker 1: start worrying, time to get yourself in gear. If you're

841
00:40:13,158 --> 00:40:15,438
Speaker 1: one of the many, one of the eighteen players and

842
00:40:15,518 --> 00:40:17,678
Speaker 1: hitting under two hundred, or one of the nine teams

843
00:40:17,718 --> 00:40:21,398
Speaker 1: hitting under to twenty seven, this season starts running out,

844
00:40:21,558 --> 00:40:24,918
Speaker 1: not quickly, but slowly, and surely it will. I'm gonna

845
00:40:24,998 --> 00:40:28,118
Speaker 1: end it with some pet peeves. And it sounds like,

846
00:40:28,358 --> 00:40:30,838
Speaker 1: you know, pet peeves are trivial. So I'm not saying

847
00:40:30,878 --> 00:40:34,198
Speaker 1: these are world issues, Joe. But when announcers talk about

848
00:40:34,198 --> 00:40:38,718
Speaker 1: a Grand Slam home run, bothers me. A Grand Slam

849
00:40:38,878 --> 00:40:42,198
Speaker 1: is a home run that's redundant. You don't need to

850
00:40:42,278 --> 00:40:46,158
Speaker 1: say grand Slam home run. Okay, I mean, get it right.

851
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:48,598
Speaker 1: You're in the business of getting the things right in

852
00:40:48,678 --> 00:40:54,798
Speaker 1: terms of wordsmithing. Just say grand slam another one. Revert back,

853
00:40:55,278 --> 00:40:56,758
Speaker 1: you know he reverted.

854
00:40:56,318 --> 00:41:00,638
Speaker 2: Back to his twenty nineteen form. Sorry, revert means you're

855
00:41:00,638 --> 00:41:01,238
Speaker 2: going back.

856
00:41:01,358 --> 00:41:06,518
Speaker 1: It's redundant. Don't say revert back. What else I got here? Oh,

857
00:41:06,558 --> 00:41:09,438
Speaker 1: this is a big one for me. Joe and announcer

858
00:41:09,518 --> 00:41:11,318
Speaker 1: say this all the time. I'd love to know the

859
00:41:11,358 --> 00:41:14,638
Speaker 1: first person who brought this up. Lefties liked the ball

860
00:41:14,758 --> 00:41:17,198
Speaker 1: down and in. When a guy hits a home run

861
00:41:17,238 --> 00:41:20,158
Speaker 1: on a pitch down and in, inevitably, the announcer's gonna

862
00:41:20,158 --> 00:41:22,758
Speaker 1: say he threw it right where lefties like it.

863
00:41:23,558 --> 00:41:27,278
Speaker 2: First of all, it's not true, people, It is not true.

864
00:41:27,678 --> 00:41:29,958
Speaker 1: Just as an example, and I've checked this year after year,

865
00:41:30,078 --> 00:41:32,038
Speaker 1: lefties on the ball down and in are hitting two

866
00:41:32,078 --> 00:41:34,318
Speaker 1: fifty nine. Right he's on the ball down and in

867
00:41:34,358 --> 00:41:37,198
Speaker 1: are hitting two eighty nine. And you've got to tell

868
00:41:37,238 --> 00:41:40,838
Speaker 1: me why it would even be plausible that a left

869
00:41:40,838 --> 00:41:43,118
Speaker 1: hander and not a right hander would like the ball

870
00:41:43,158 --> 00:41:45,918
Speaker 1: down and in. It doesn't make any sense just because

871
00:41:45,958 --> 00:41:48,038
Speaker 1: he's left handed. He's a good down and in hitter.

872
00:41:48,638 --> 00:41:51,198
Speaker 1: That makes no sense. And it's repeated all the time.

873
00:41:51,398 --> 00:41:53,878
Speaker 1: I'd love to find the first person who said that,

874
00:41:54,278 --> 00:41:56,558
Speaker 1: because man, it has spread like wildfire.

875
00:41:56,838 --> 00:41:57,478
Speaker 2: That's all I was.

876
00:41:57,678 --> 00:42:00,118
Speaker 3: Joe, that was That was an oldie, but goodie back

877
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:02,958
Speaker 3: in the day. Was a right handed pitcher throwing the ball,

878
00:42:02,998 --> 00:42:05,998
Speaker 3: a breaking ball down and interfastball down. And because at

879
00:42:05,998 --> 00:42:09,558
Speaker 3: that time, lefties were taught to pull the baseball period.

880
00:42:09,998 --> 00:42:12,878
Speaker 3: All the former managers coaches I've been around back in

881
00:42:12,878 --> 00:42:15,278
Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties, they wanted their lefties to hit

882
00:42:15,318 --> 00:42:18,078
Speaker 3: the hole. If there's somebody on first base and your

883
00:42:18,238 --> 00:42:21,038
Speaker 3: left ten hitter, obviously they want you to pull the ball.

884
00:42:21,078 --> 00:42:22,758
Speaker 3: They want the ball in the hole. Because at that

885
00:42:22,798 --> 00:42:26,878
Speaker 3: time it was not as much sophisticated positioning of the

886
00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:29,678
Speaker 3: second basement. He was more in double played depths. He

887
00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:31,758
Speaker 3: was up and in over towards the bag, so that

888
00:42:31,798 --> 00:42:34,478
Speaker 3: hole was gargaguan. So I think part of it is

889
00:42:34,518 --> 00:42:37,158
Speaker 3: that number two you hit on it first of all.

890
00:42:37,198 --> 00:42:42,118
Speaker 3: Redundancies my number one issue in life. People that repeat themselves.

891
00:42:42,158 --> 00:42:45,078
Speaker 3: My God, it drives me insane. Me and Uncle Etty,

892
00:42:45,118 --> 00:42:48,318
Speaker 3: my uncle Eddy, my dad's brother sat with him one time,

893
00:42:48,758 --> 00:42:51,118
Speaker 3: Avid reader. Uncle Letty and he reminded me, Joey. You

894
00:42:51,158 --> 00:42:54,398
Speaker 3: know what Brisally bothers me when Redundancy he was a

895
00:42:54,478 --> 00:42:56,598
Speaker 3: radio announce You had this great voice, and I said, God,

896
00:42:56,678 --> 00:43:00,558
Speaker 3: uncle Etty, that's me. So yes, Redundancy, I heard you

897
00:43:00,598 --> 00:43:04,078
Speaker 3: the first time. I don't need it being repeat it

898
00:43:04,158 --> 00:43:06,598
Speaker 3: to me. If I do, I'll say, pardon me and

899
00:43:06,638 --> 00:43:09,078
Speaker 3: missed that something like that. But to be done a

900
00:43:09,158 --> 00:43:12,518
Speaker 3: component that's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. So,

901
00:43:12,598 --> 00:43:17,318
Speaker 3: whether it's an announcer or conversational, somebody thought that they

902
00:43:17,318 --> 00:43:19,158
Speaker 3: said something funny, I didn't get it. They'll say it

903
00:43:19,198 --> 00:43:20,598
Speaker 3: again because I want to make sure I got that

904
00:43:20,638 --> 00:43:23,198
Speaker 3: funny thing. No, I heard it. It wasn't that funny.

905
00:43:23,918 --> 00:43:28,198
Speaker 3: Number two, the phrases I know and you know, I know,

906
00:43:28,758 --> 00:43:32,358
Speaker 3: I know, you know. I had a painting with the

907
00:43:33,318 --> 00:43:37,358
Speaker 3: Spy versus Spy and David Dave Mason only you know

908
00:43:37,438 --> 00:43:40,838
Speaker 3: and I know, yeah, from back in the day, and

909
00:43:40,878 --> 00:43:43,838
Speaker 3: so I wrote on I know and you know, and

910
00:43:43,878 --> 00:43:46,158
Speaker 3: it came un I put with apologies to Dave Mason.

911
00:43:46,638 --> 00:43:49,598
Speaker 3: Guys that are always saying I know. And then in

912
00:43:49,678 --> 00:43:54,358
Speaker 3: tenth grade World History, mister Sabolski, if you said you

913
00:43:54,438 --> 00:43:57,398
Speaker 3: know in any part of your sentence if you started

914
00:43:57,478 --> 00:44:00,878
Speaker 3: or included the phrase you know, he'd stop you, you

915
00:44:00,958 --> 00:44:04,278
Speaker 3: know what. So I really try to eradicate that from

916
00:44:04,278 --> 00:44:07,158
Speaker 3: my method of speech when I'm speaking to people. Those

917
00:44:07,198 --> 00:44:10,278
Speaker 3: that always say I know, I know, I don't like that,

918
00:44:10,598 --> 00:44:13,598
Speaker 3: and those that say you know, I always try to

919
00:44:13,598 --> 00:44:15,838
Speaker 3: eradicate that. So those maybe I'm not talking in a

920
00:44:15,838 --> 00:44:18,878
Speaker 3: baseball sense, but that's those are my pet piece. And

921
00:44:18,958 --> 00:44:22,238
Speaker 3: number three apathy. Apathy. You see, like we're talking about

922
00:44:22,278 --> 00:44:24,718
Speaker 3: things that need to be changed, and a lot of times,

923
00:44:24,758 --> 00:44:28,598
Speaker 3: you know, it takes there's a shift, a paradigm shift.

924
00:44:28,598 --> 00:44:31,838
Speaker 3: There's another kind of shift, a tectonic You have to

925
00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:35,278
Speaker 3: move some continents in order to get something done or moved.

926
00:44:35,518 --> 00:44:38,438
Speaker 3: You can't be apathetic, and I think that happens to

927
00:44:38,518 --> 00:44:42,358
Speaker 3: us way too often. You choose status quo over a

928
00:44:42,398 --> 00:44:45,478
Speaker 3: course of action. Because the course of action requires a lot,

929
00:44:46,038 --> 00:44:48,518
Speaker 3: requires a thought, a method. You have to put it

930
00:44:48,518 --> 00:44:50,798
Speaker 3: in a method of operation. How are we going to

931
00:44:50,878 --> 00:44:52,718
Speaker 3: get this done? You got to put it in play,

932
00:44:52,718 --> 00:44:54,398
Speaker 3: You got to follow up, You got to include so

933
00:44:54,398 --> 00:44:59,798
Speaker 3: many people. Apathy, so redundancy absolutely fries me. People that

934
00:44:59,918 --> 00:45:02,398
Speaker 3: say I know, and then they follow it up with

935
00:45:02,518 --> 00:45:07,038
Speaker 3: you know, and then eventually apathy drives me crazy.

936
00:45:07,878 --> 00:45:10,078
Speaker 1: That's a great call and that you knows, by the way,

937
00:45:10,278 --> 00:45:14,558
Speaker 1: great call. And how about the guy who tells you

938
00:45:15,118 --> 00:45:18,678
Speaker 1: the story that he has told you fifteen times already

939
00:45:19,478 --> 00:45:22,278
Speaker 1: and you just you just you feel your body tends

940
00:45:22,358 --> 00:45:24,878
Speaker 1: up like, oh my goodness, we're going there again. And

941
00:45:24,918 --> 00:45:28,038
Speaker 1: it's typically a long story. And how do you basically

942
00:45:28,118 --> 00:45:30,918
Speaker 1: tell the guy, Dude, you've told me this before.

943
00:45:30,998 --> 00:45:34,478
Speaker 2: I know where we're going here. Let's move on. It's awkward,

944
00:45:35,438 --> 00:45:36,798
Speaker 2: well almost, how many have many times.

945
00:45:36,598 --> 00:45:38,438
Speaker 3: Somebody says, hey, listen, I got a great story for you,

946
00:45:38,638 --> 00:45:40,518
Speaker 3: and you immediately you know I don't want to hear it.

947
00:45:40,718 --> 00:45:43,638
Speaker 3: I mean, you want to be Larry David in that moment. No,

948
00:45:43,798 --> 00:45:46,718
Speaker 3: it's okay, I you know, keep your story. But that

949
00:45:46,838 --> 00:45:50,038
Speaker 3: happens often too, where you people always think that what

950
00:45:50,078 --> 00:45:53,318
Speaker 3: they have to say is interesting for me. Here's my thing.

951
00:45:53,758 --> 00:45:56,758
Speaker 3: If I'm really having a good conversation with somebody and

952
00:45:56,798 --> 00:45:59,398
Speaker 3: we're engaged, and I really feel like this person's engaged

953
00:45:59,918 --> 00:46:02,358
Speaker 3: with me, I will give them everything. I will give

954
00:46:02,398 --> 00:46:04,758
Speaker 3: them everything I got. I mean, I'll I'll unload the

955
00:46:04,798 --> 00:46:08,798
Speaker 3: vault everything I think on a particular subject, I'll go, go, go,

956
00:46:08,918 --> 00:46:11,518
Speaker 3: because I think we have a connection or it's interesting.

957
00:46:11,878 --> 00:46:14,438
Speaker 3: And then there's the others that will ask a question,

958
00:46:14,598 --> 00:46:17,158
Speaker 3: pretend to be listening, and you know very well that

959
00:46:17,158 --> 00:46:20,598
Speaker 3: they're not. They're always distracted. They just can't stay in

960
00:46:21,078 --> 00:46:24,758
Speaker 3: tune with you. I will absolutely truncate that conversation. I'm out,

961
00:46:25,158 --> 00:46:26,558
Speaker 3: so I'm going to cut it off as quickly as

962
00:46:26,638 --> 00:46:29,038
Speaker 3: I possibly can. That's a read we all make. So

963
00:46:29,118 --> 00:46:32,438
Speaker 3: if we're engaged, I'm in, I'll give you all I got.

964
00:46:32,678 --> 00:46:35,518
Speaker 3: If I know that you're not engaged, I'm going to eject.

965
00:46:35,438 --> 00:46:38,798
Speaker 2: Two more for you. The word notoriety.

966
00:46:39,678 --> 00:46:42,758
Speaker 1: You know, the original meaning of that word was you

967
00:46:42,838 --> 00:46:46,638
Speaker 1: were noticed because you did something of infamy. It was

968
00:46:46,758 --> 00:46:50,358
Speaker 1: not a good thing. Okay, and we've lost well, we're

969
00:46:50,438 --> 00:46:53,878
Speaker 1: so in love now with celebrity and being known that

970
00:46:53,998 --> 00:46:56,278
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether you're known for something good or bad.

971
00:46:56,278 --> 00:47:01,838
Speaker 1: People say, oh, he gained notoriety like it's a compliment. No,

972
00:47:02,518 --> 00:47:04,838
Speaker 1: let's use the word properly and want more for you.

973
00:47:04,878 --> 00:47:07,878
Speaker 1: In a baseball sense, Joe, when when people praise a

974
00:47:07,918 --> 00:47:10,998
Speaker 1: guy for running hard down the line, you'll actually go

975
00:47:11,078 --> 00:47:13,798
Speaker 1: to a replay and say, look at that hustle.

976
00:47:13,998 --> 00:47:15,478
Speaker 2: He busted it out of the box.

977
00:47:16,518 --> 00:47:19,438
Speaker 1: Isn't that what you're supposed to do?

978
00:47:19,438 --> 00:47:21,998
Speaker 2: Do you need to be patted on the back for

979
00:47:22,158 --> 00:47:23,518
Speaker 2: actually running hard?

980
00:47:24,318 --> 00:47:26,958
Speaker 3: I think not, No, agreed. I mean those those are

981
00:47:26,998 --> 00:47:29,958
Speaker 3: the things to me that that's that's one on one,

982
00:47:30,038 --> 00:47:33,718
Speaker 3: that's the first meeting of spring training. Absolutely respect ninety.

983
00:47:34,078 --> 00:47:36,518
Speaker 3: That said, respect ninety, and if I have a team

984
00:47:36,558 --> 00:47:39,358
Speaker 3: that respects ninety, I'll take it. We're gonna make mistakes,

985
00:47:39,358 --> 00:47:41,878
Speaker 3: we're gonna stink, we're gonna lose games. We're gonna win games.

986
00:47:42,078 --> 00:47:44,318
Speaker 3: But if you play the game properly and hard. I mean,

987
00:47:44,398 --> 00:47:46,678
Speaker 3: I hate the jump sports on you. But I've been

988
00:47:46,678 --> 00:47:49,758
Speaker 3: watching the Knicks. I'm a Nick guy. I'm an Atlanta

989
00:47:49,798 --> 00:47:52,758
Speaker 3: Hawk fan. Proclaimed for I was a Saint Louis Hawks fan.

990
00:47:53,078 --> 00:47:56,318
Speaker 3: He eventually became Atlanta Hawks fan. But my backup team

991
00:47:56,318 --> 00:47:59,198
Speaker 3: has always been the Knicks in the seventies with Frasier

992
00:47:59,278 --> 00:48:02,478
Speaker 3: and Debuscher and reading that whole group. So I got

993
00:48:02,478 --> 00:48:06,438
Speaker 3: this thing, but I'm really enjoying it. I'm watching a

994
00:48:06,518 --> 00:48:11,318
Speaker 3: kind of a renaissance regarding physicality or caring for four

995
00:48:11,398 --> 00:48:15,078
Speaker 3: quarters as opposed to just the fourth quarter. I'm enjoying

996
00:48:15,118 --> 00:48:17,878
Speaker 3: the games I am. I'm that are started. There's times

997
00:48:17,878 --> 00:48:19,718
Speaker 3: that you know, the three pointer gets in the way

998
00:48:19,758 --> 00:48:23,398
Speaker 3: of execution and stuff. However, like if Jerry West had

999
00:48:23,398 --> 00:48:26,598
Speaker 3: an opportunity to shoot more three pointers or a three pointer,

1000
00:48:26,838 --> 00:48:28,478
Speaker 3: he probably would have done it back in the day,

1001
00:48:28,518 --> 00:48:31,278
Speaker 3: would have taken advantage of it. But I love I

1002
00:48:31,318 --> 00:48:34,438
Speaker 3: love the effort. Man. Man, I'm I'm digging the effort.

1003
00:48:34,438 --> 00:48:37,398
Speaker 3: It's it's wall to wall effort and that's all you

1004
00:48:37,398 --> 00:48:40,718
Speaker 3: could ever possibly want. That is respect in ninety that

1005
00:48:40,798 --> 00:48:44,838
Speaker 3: is running hard the first base, and I my teams

1006
00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:46,718
Speaker 3: if I get that, I believe my team is going

1007
00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:50,398
Speaker 3: to be competitive. Last point, when you're talking about an announcer,

1008
00:48:51,118 --> 00:48:54,118
Speaker 3: I've seen some of the most routine plays just glorified

1009
00:48:54,118 --> 00:48:55,558
Speaker 3: to the point like you got to be kidding me.

1010
00:48:56,758 --> 00:48:59,678
Speaker 3: I think that we have to We've taught today's announcer

1011
00:49:00,278 --> 00:49:04,518
Speaker 3: to go over the top somehow and become so emphatic

1012
00:49:04,598 --> 00:49:08,478
Speaker 3: about a routine play being made that it kind of

1013
00:49:08,478 --> 00:49:11,958
Speaker 3: annoys me a little bit. It's not unlike running hard

1014
00:49:12,038 --> 00:49:14,998
Speaker 3: the first base, so it just report the game. I'd

1015
00:49:15,038 --> 00:49:18,198
Speaker 3: like to just see more effort being put into explaining

1016
00:49:18,238 --> 00:49:21,678
Speaker 3: the game. Better in different situations. The other day I

1017
00:49:21,718 --> 00:49:26,918
Speaker 3: saw a good outfielder deals with the Yankees, the guy

1018
00:49:26,918 --> 00:49:28,998
Speaker 3: they used to be Grisham. Grisham went to the I

1019
00:49:29,038 --> 00:49:31,038
Speaker 3: think it was him in Baltimore, went to the outfield wall,

1020
00:49:31,878 --> 00:49:34,438
Speaker 3: jumped and it was in Baltimore, believe so, yeah, you

1021
00:49:34,438 --> 00:49:36,598
Speaker 3: could reach over the defense and grab it. But he

1022
00:49:37,158 --> 00:49:39,198
Speaker 3: jumped up with his back to the wall. And when

1023
00:49:39,198 --> 00:49:40,998
Speaker 3: you jump with your back to the wall, you can't jump.

1024
00:49:41,038 --> 00:49:43,838
Speaker 3: The wall stops you. To me, that's a perfect opportunity

1025
00:49:43,918 --> 00:49:47,438
Speaker 3: to describe something like that as a teaching, teachable moment

1026
00:49:47,878 --> 00:49:50,118
Speaker 3: for a kid watching the game. So those are the

1027
00:49:50,158 --> 00:49:52,598
Speaker 3: kind of things that I think get left unchecked when

1028
00:49:52,638 --> 00:49:55,518
Speaker 3: a infielder throws on the run constantly. And I know

1029
00:49:55,558 --> 00:49:57,678
Speaker 3: that some guys are really good at it these days,

1030
00:49:57,718 --> 00:50:00,918
Speaker 3: and Longo was outstanding at it. But there's different things

1031
00:50:00,958 --> 00:50:03,238
Speaker 3: I would like to see pointed out. If we want

1032
00:50:03,358 --> 00:50:05,678
Speaker 3: kids to be involved in the game, I want the

1033
00:50:05,758 --> 00:50:08,878
Speaker 3: kids to play the game right and when it comes

1034
00:50:08,918 --> 00:50:12,318
Speaker 3: to mechanics, So pay more attention to stuff like that

1035
00:50:12,358 --> 00:50:15,398
Speaker 3: as opposed to screaming because a guy doba at the

1036
00:50:15,438 --> 00:50:16,998
Speaker 3: ball that he could have caught standing up.

1037
00:50:17,438 --> 00:50:19,878
Speaker 1: You know, Joe, I'm glad I got you wound up

1038
00:50:19,918 --> 00:50:20,718
Speaker 1: with Pet Peeves.

1039
00:50:20,758 --> 00:50:22,478
Speaker 2: You know you know what I'm talking about.

1040
00:50:22,598 --> 00:50:24,478
Speaker 3: You know, I do, I got you, I got you.

1041
00:50:24,758 --> 00:50:25,398
Speaker 3: I'm feeling you.

1042
00:50:27,358 --> 00:50:31,318
Speaker 2: Well, well you got something to take us home here, Joe, Yeah.

1043
00:50:30,958 --> 00:50:32,758
Speaker 3: I do. And I don't know. I don't even know

1044
00:50:32,798 --> 00:50:35,878
Speaker 3: if this applies or not. This always applies, and it does.

1045
00:50:36,318 --> 00:50:38,958
Speaker 3: I saw this the other day. I was reading something

1046
00:50:39,038 --> 00:50:41,678
Speaker 3: and it's from Steve Jobs, and I wow. I mean

1047
00:50:41,798 --> 00:50:47,518
Speaker 3: we're talking about leadership being the empowerment as opposed to control.

1048
00:50:47,678 --> 00:50:49,358
Speaker 3: You know, I would think I'm not knowing him. I

1049
00:50:49,358 --> 00:50:50,878
Speaker 3: would have thought he would be more of a control

1050
00:50:50,998 --> 00:50:53,038
Speaker 3: kind of a guy. Maybe he was, but this phrase

1051
00:50:53,078 --> 00:50:55,998
Speaker 3: does not indicate that this is from him. It doesn't

1052
00:50:56,038 --> 00:50:59,158
Speaker 3: make sense to hire smart people and then tell them

1053
00:50:59,158 --> 00:51:01,918
Speaker 3: what to do. We hire smart people so they can

1054
00:51:01,958 --> 00:51:05,958
Speaker 3: tell us what to do. Steve Jobs, that is wow,

1055
00:51:05,998 --> 00:51:08,798
Speaker 3: that's it. That's perfect to me. That's how you do it.

1056
00:51:09,158 --> 00:51:11,438
Speaker 3: But I think the chain of command breaks sometimes. I

1057
00:51:11,438 --> 00:51:14,638
Speaker 3: mean the person at the top being hiring a smart person.

1058
00:51:15,478 --> 00:51:17,718
Speaker 3: The smart person that he hires has to be smart

1059
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:20,998
Speaker 3: enough to know that the people that he's working with

1060
00:51:21,438 --> 00:51:23,798
Speaker 3: then permit them to do their jobs. At some point

1061
00:51:23,798 --> 00:51:27,078
Speaker 3: with the chain of command breaks somehow, where at some

1062
00:51:27,158 --> 00:51:31,038
Speaker 3: point people forget that even though I've been permitted this

1063
00:51:31,438 --> 00:51:34,318
Speaker 3: ability to have a kind of like this potential to

1064
00:51:34,358 --> 00:51:37,118
Speaker 3: make impact her by being myself, I have to afford

1065
00:51:37,158 --> 00:51:39,038
Speaker 3: that to the next guy and the next guy, whatever

1066
00:51:39,078 --> 00:51:42,278
Speaker 3: that chain may be. So that I thought was brilliant

1067
00:51:42,318 --> 00:51:42,998
Speaker 3: and I loved it.

1068
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Speaker 1: I love that too, and it reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: conversation I had yesterday with Steven Vote, who's doing a

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00:51:48,478 --> 00:51:51,038
Speaker 1: great job by the way, as a good first time

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00:51:51,078 --> 00:51:55,558
Speaker 1: manager with the Cleveland Guardians. Not a surprise anybody who

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Speaker 1: knows Voter, and you do I know, well, Joe saw

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00:51:59,478 --> 00:52:01,118
Speaker 1: this coming and one of those players.

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Speaker 2: You say, that guy is going to be a good manager.

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00:52:03,198 --> 00:52:03,918
Speaker 2: And I hadn't noticed.

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00:52:04,198 --> 00:52:07,198
Speaker 1: Watching the Guardians play and watching Voter in the dugout,

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Speaker 1: Joe that he was devoid of any kind of binders

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00:52:11,358 --> 00:52:14,638
Speaker 1: or cards or information. And I asked him about that,

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00:52:15,118 --> 00:52:17,838
Speaker 1: and he literally uses nothing in the course of a game.

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00:52:18,238 --> 00:52:20,278
Speaker 1: You know, obviously a ton of prep work going in.

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00:52:20,798 --> 00:52:22,958
Speaker 1: He's paying attention to the game. It's exactly what he

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00:52:22,998 --> 00:52:25,438
Speaker 1: told me, he says, watching the game, I'm paying attention.

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00:52:25,558 --> 00:52:27,278
Speaker 2: And I also and this gets back to your.

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00:52:27,158 --> 00:52:30,998
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs quote, he said, I trust my coaches there

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00:52:31,038 --> 00:52:34,398
Speaker 1: on top of things, I'm trusting them to me with

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00:52:34,558 --> 00:52:37,838
Speaker 1: such a mature, advanced approach for a guy who's still

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00:52:37,838 --> 00:52:40,958
Speaker 1: a first time manager, he had never managed before. Just

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00:52:41,398 --> 00:52:44,038
Speaker 1: the confidence I heard in his voice, the trust that

1089
00:52:44,118 --> 00:52:46,758
Speaker 1: he knows the game and trust himself and trust his

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00:52:46,878 --> 00:52:48,638
Speaker 1: coaches jumped out at me.

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Speaker 2: In a day and age where guys are.

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00:52:51,398 --> 00:52:53,758
Speaker 1: Looking at the charts on the dugout wall, you know

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00:52:53,878 --> 00:52:57,438
Speaker 1: every two seconds, thick binders in the dugout, looking at tablets,

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00:52:57,478 --> 00:52:59,478
Speaker 1: you name it.

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Speaker 2: It's an old school approach.

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00:53:01,038 --> 00:53:04,198
Speaker 1: And I was just so impressed by listening to Voter

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Speaker 1: talk about that.

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00:53:05,158 --> 00:53:08,478
Speaker 3: But that also tells me that he has the support

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00:53:08,518 --> 00:53:11,798
Speaker 3: of the front office because they're they're not trying to

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00:53:11,798 --> 00:53:14,518
Speaker 3: force a bunch of stuff on him, because that would

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00:53:14,598 --> 00:53:17,838
Speaker 3: normally happen a first year manager like that, he's going

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00:53:17,918 --> 00:53:20,398
Speaker 3: to get normally inundated. Now, I wouldn't doubt that he

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00:53:20,438 --> 00:53:22,718
Speaker 3: gets stuff before the game, that he studies. A Voter's

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00:53:22,718 --> 00:53:25,118
Speaker 3: a really smart dude. But I love the idea that

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00:53:25,158 --> 00:53:26,798
Speaker 3: you rely on your other people. Of course you do,

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00:53:26,838 --> 00:53:28,718
Speaker 3: and that's the only way to do this. But it's

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00:53:28,758 --> 00:53:32,878
Speaker 3: interesting that the front office there is permitting that method

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00:53:33,398 --> 00:53:35,958
Speaker 3: to be employed. Now, i hate to be the fly

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00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:38,758
Speaker 3: in the ointment, but I'm curious as to if they

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00:53:38,878 --> 00:53:40,918
Speaker 3: don't do so well, if there's going to be a

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00:53:41,558 --> 00:53:45,238
Speaker 3: shift from the methods incorporated from top to bottom. I'm

1112
00:53:45,278 --> 00:53:47,758
Speaker 3: certain Voter is not going to want to change. But

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00:53:47,758 --> 00:53:50,598
Speaker 3: those are the things I'm suspect about. So I love

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Speaker 3: it and I hope they stay there because Voter is sharp.

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00:53:53,518 --> 00:53:56,758
Speaker 3: He's really sharp, he's funny, and yeah, he's got a

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00:53:56,758 --> 00:53:59,398
Speaker 3: good coaching staff there. Use these guys. His job is

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00:53:59,438 --> 00:54:02,398
Speaker 3: to manage the game and if he's comfortable presenting whatever

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00:54:02,478 --> 00:54:05,558
Speaker 3: that is is moments to change a pitcher, how much

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00:54:05,598 --> 00:54:08,358
Speaker 3: he's relying on his pitching coach, the win or two

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00:54:08,398 --> 00:54:11,398
Speaker 3: may be slots for pinch hitting. The conversations he's gonna

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00:54:11,398 --> 00:54:14,398
Speaker 3: have with players, that's managing. So he's not there to coach,

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00:54:14,398 --> 00:54:15,198
Speaker 3: he's there to manage.

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Speaker 2: Well said, and I'm not surprised he's doing well.

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00:54:17,678 --> 00:54:21,678
Speaker 1: And obviously he's getting a lot of goodwill in the

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00:54:21,758 --> 00:54:22,758
Speaker 1: vault with his players.

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Speaker 2: By the way they've started.

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00:54:23,918 --> 00:54:26,278
Speaker 1: Nothing like having the results pay off quickly as a

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00:54:26,318 --> 00:54:28,758
Speaker 1: first time manager. So they're in a good place, good team,

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Speaker 1: and I like watching them play. Joe, we started talking

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00:54:32,078 --> 00:54:34,558
Speaker 1: about hitting. They're a team that does not strike out.

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00:54:34,838 --> 00:54:36,518
Speaker 1: They put the ball in play. They don't have a

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Speaker 1: ton of power.

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Speaker 2: They have enough.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to see good fundamental baseball played

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00:54:40,558 --> 00:54:43,558
Speaker 1: on the basis on defense in the batter's box, Cleveland

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00:54:43,598 --> 00:54:44,838
Speaker 1: will give that to you every night.

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Speaker 3: So but everybody can do that time. Everybody can do that.

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00:54:48,158 --> 00:54:51,878
Speaker 3: If I'm telling you that has to be or organizational philosophically,

1139
00:54:51,918 --> 00:54:53,558
Speaker 3: he's got to start in the minor leagues. You got

1140
00:54:53,598 --> 00:54:56,278
Speaker 3: a pound pound pound, you can't turn your head. You

1141
00:54:56,358 --> 00:54:59,398
Speaker 3: got to stay with it. And you have to have teachers, man.

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00:54:59,478 --> 00:55:02,358
Speaker 3: I mean, you have to have coaches that I'd always

1143
00:55:02,358 --> 00:55:04,478
Speaker 3: go back to a Larry boll boas not going to

1144
00:55:04,478 --> 00:55:07,038
Speaker 3: tolerate and you know sometimes he might rub you the

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00:55:07,078 --> 00:55:09,558
Speaker 3: wrong way, but I love him for that. You can't.

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00:55:09,598 --> 00:55:11,878
Speaker 3: You have to have coaches that know what they're talking about.

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00:55:11,918 --> 00:55:15,078
Speaker 3: They don't tolerate the fact that no, they don't accept

1148
00:55:15,278 --> 00:55:19,478
Speaker 3: you know, the the the consistently not doing something correct

1149
00:55:19,518 --> 00:55:22,038
Speaker 3: or right. That's what you need in order to get

1150
00:55:22,078 --> 00:55:25,238
Speaker 3: more contact better base running. You gotta you gotta rub it,

1151
00:55:25,318 --> 00:55:27,558
Speaker 3: a little gotta a little edgy, little edgie is not

1152
00:55:27,598 --> 00:55:28,078
Speaker 3: a bad thing.

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00:55:28,318 --> 00:55:28,838
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.

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00:55:28,878 --> 00:55:31,598
Speaker 1: I think every staff should have one or two guys

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00:55:31,758 --> 00:55:34,918
Speaker 1: like that. And that's well said. As usual, there's a

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00:55:34,958 --> 00:55:37,398
Speaker 1: lot of fun Joe. We'll do this again next time.

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Speaker 2: Nice job.

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00:55:38,358 --> 00:55:40,558
Speaker 3: Thanks for staring me, brother, he got it.

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