Speaker 1: So here's the thing. There's a really important thing to
Speaker 1: know when covering issues like this that, especially on the
Speaker 1: type of podcast I have, one is you can't be
Speaker 1: the breaking news people like. There's too many moving parts,
Speaker 1: the story is evolving, and really I'm not a journalist,
Speaker 1: you know, so I try not to do If you
Speaker 1: notice the way my show works, I try not to
Speaker 1: do breaking news stuff that's not the nature of my show.
Speaker 1: I also try not to do the type of analysis
Speaker 1: that's necessarily drawing the conclusions about whatever particular like political
Speaker 1: land mind something is mine is too translate and to
Speaker 1: understand and to put into perspective things that might be baffling.
Speaker 1: There's a lot if you noticed about my show, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of my show that's really like yo. But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you know what I'm saying, this
Speaker 1: is the way that food was thinking about that, or
Speaker 1: here's a way for you to think about this. Now.
Speaker 1: When you get into something like a school shooting, but
Speaker 1: not only not just a school shooting, elementary school shooting,
Speaker 1: got dog kids, there's some stuff that I'm just not
Speaker 1: either emotionally prepared for or even equipped to do commentary on.
Speaker 1: Nah saying like I can't. I can't call it. And
Speaker 1: then there's some sort of political landmines like you know
Speaker 1: what happened every time there's an active gunm in situation
Speaker 1: where you start talking about gun laws again, and like
Speaker 1: if we just if I just kept doing shows about
Speaker 1: gun gun laws, you know, I would sound just like
Speaker 1: the rest of the cut true where you know, don't
Speaker 1: not never get done, and it's just ridiculous. And in
Speaker 1: the meantime, foods getting shot up all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know DoD daily, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like all that energy or we're here to drag the
Speaker 1: police or make them be superheroes or you know, sort
Speaker 1: of armchair quarterback in a situation. This here is to
Speaker 1: understand why the hell you hesitated and how stuff like
Speaker 1: that don't ride where I'm from. But on the other hand,
Speaker 1: you also know, hey, homey, if you weren't outside with us,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can comment about this. Let's get
Speaker 1: into this, uh elementary school shooting, y'all good politics. H So,
Speaker 1: as y'all see, I clearly delayed releasing this particular episode because,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's like, first of all, I have
Speaker 1: to emotionally process the idea of children being subjugated to
Speaker 1: something like this, notwithstanding the fact that I noticed was
Speaker 1: almost a Latino community. It's close to the border that
Speaker 1: hits home. Um. Notwithstanding, I'm like watching the sort of
Speaker 1: the the press conference from the police, and I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: the least you could do was speak Spanish, like, fam
Speaker 1: that's the least y'all could do for these families. You
Speaker 1: can't even do a press conference in Spanish, my niggd,
Speaker 1: Like that's called as ice. And of course I'm watching
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist about guns and such, just trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: like what's the angle, what's the basis, like what role
Speaker 1: is to the politics play and something like this. So
Speaker 1: first of all, Yo, nobody should have to live like this.
Speaker 1: Nobody should go through something like this. You know, we
Speaker 1: make we make comments and jokes about like and they're
Speaker 1: not jokes like in some senses, but it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's real in the villa, like if you if you
Speaker 1: lived in like violent neighborhoods, you know, getting invested stuff
Speaker 1: where like our stuff gets shot up. You know. We
Speaker 1: had World on wheels was like a roller skating rink
Speaker 1: and then I had to stop going there. I had
Speaker 1: to go to skate junction out in out in West Kovina.
Speaker 1: This is like twenty minutes east of minutes east of
Speaker 1: where World on Wheels was, because I used to always
Speaker 1: get shot up. You know what I'm saying. This is
Speaker 1: something that like a child shouldn't have to deal with.
Speaker 1: The MLK Day parade down in Lamur Park in in
Speaker 1: south central Los Angeles, the Crunshaw District. We're just stop
Speaker 1: going because something always went down, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And these are not things that are child should ever
Speaker 1: have to live with. You know, we live in the
Speaker 1: inner city. Parents have been burying their children for decades,
Speaker 1: and even with that being true, it's still not easy.
Speaker 1: You don't get used to it like the one gets
Speaker 1: used to that. So out the box, man, it's different.
Speaker 1: This is different than gang violence because of the the
Speaker 1: nature of what this is. But losing your baby is
Speaker 1: losing your baby and being a part of a community
Speaker 1: that has to deal with this sort of situation. If
Speaker 1: you could hear my voice, shake is because this. You know,
Speaker 1: I never lived through no Sandy Hook. I ain't lived
Speaker 1: through no Colin bind you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I'm a parent back then when those things were happening,
Speaker 1: I wasn't apparent, you know what I'm saying, Like I was,
Speaker 1: I mean Colin Bining, Like it's still like around high school.
Speaker 1: Ay it was maybe nine and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Well out of high school then you know. But like
Speaker 1: this and stuff is wild to have to live with.
Speaker 1: So first of all, you know, again I know how
Speaker 1: many weeks out this pot is about that, But like
Speaker 1: this stuff stick with you, hommy, Like when you go
Speaker 1: through stuff like this, it is mugs stick with you. Now,
Speaker 1: having said that, here's what I find that needs a little,
Speaker 1: a little explaining, little little little hood. It's auso. If
Speaker 1: there's one thing you know, if you are a civilian
Speaker 1: or you active, if you active as meant like gang banger,
Speaker 1: gang affiliation, if you bout that life, if you in
Speaker 1: the field, if you outside, you in the field, whatever
Speaker 1: slang you're using, you know what I'm saying. If you
Speaker 1: go up to the function and you gotta stick on
Speaker 1: you you pull the stick out, you better be prepared
Speaker 1: to use it. You don't think twice. If you pull
Speaker 1: out on somebody, you listen. You have to use your stick.
Speaker 1: You can't have it on you and pull it without
Speaker 1: the wherewithal that this is pulled to be used. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a deterrent, maybe you could stop somebody from pulling theirs.
Speaker 1: But you have the thought has to cross your mind
Speaker 1: and you have to reckon with the reality of you.
Speaker 1: Ask anybody in the field they have reckoned with the
Speaker 1: reality of already settled that I might not make it
Speaker 1: hone to night. They didn't know. It's already in their head.
Speaker 1: And a lot of them, dudes, which is the sad
Speaker 1: part about it. In in their mind they like, I'm
Speaker 1: already on borroad time. I should have died a long
Speaker 1: time ago. I should have died in a shootout last week,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like they don't already reckoned
Speaker 1: with their morality or non morality. Wow, they didn't already reckon.
Speaker 1: Well maybe with their morality maybe that was Freddy and
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they don't record with their mortalenty
Speaker 1: already that's already a settled I'm gonna die out here.
Speaker 1: Studies show that like, even even if you get out
Speaker 1: of gang life, if you stay there, like most likely
Speaker 1: you're gonna die within a ten mile radius or where
Speaker 1: you were from. Nipsey used to say that all time.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna die out here. I'm gonna die
Speaker 1: over here, partially because of his commitment to not leave.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yo, this is my hood. If you
Speaker 1: if you got me, you got me. But I ain't running.
Speaker 1: I ain't running in my own hood. They like, if
Speaker 1: you pull your strap, you using it. Also there's an
Speaker 1: understanding of like, you know what you signed up for,
Speaker 1: you know in in in my story, I have a
Speaker 1: song which maybe I'll link it in the show not
Speaker 1: It's a song called We Was Only ten. It's on
Speaker 1: the people EPs ex streaming. It's you can me and
Speaker 1: Dj Mosky you cook it up And I tell the
Speaker 1: story of really my first interaction with like real you know,
Speaker 1: sort of guns and like crip recruitment, and it was
Speaker 1: really accidental, you know, I was, but but it made
Speaker 1: it very clear to me, like that these other little
Speaker 1: ten eleven twelve year old boys, because we was all
Speaker 1: just you know, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old,
Speaker 1: it was clear to me that they knew what they
Speaker 1: were signing up four And once it became clear that
Speaker 1: that's what was happening, that this wasn't just me trying
Speaker 1: to kick it with the homies and it's trying to
Speaker 1: be cool because I don't want them to think I'm
Speaker 1: a punk. It was like, oh, we could die. So
Speaker 1: the story for me took place on the east side
Speaker 1: of South Central. I know, I say a lot of
Speaker 1: specifically l a stuff, but that's why y'all love me.
Speaker 1: Right east side of South Central. It's between when my
Speaker 1: grandmother lived on seventy three uh in San Pedro, between
Speaker 1: Florence and Maine. Now shoelaces. If you bought my book Terraform,
Speaker 1: you know the shoelaces was blue over there unless you
Speaker 1: go four blocks down to which shoelaces were read and
Speaker 1: then four mode blocks down to which they were blew again.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Anyway, down the street from my grandmother's house
Speaker 1: was my uncle by marriages family, and we should call
Speaker 1: him my dear right and um my uncle's uncle Sonny,
Speaker 1: you know, God rest his saul. And but across the
Speaker 1: street from them were some boys who they had the
Speaker 1: better Nintendo games, you know what I'm saying. They used
Speaker 1: to like, you know, had the boxing gloves out in
Speaker 1: the yard. We was l a kids, you know, And
Speaker 1: for me, I felt like I could free rein, run down,
Speaker 1: running up and down the street because I essentially had
Speaker 1: two grandmothers like on the opposite ends of the block.
Speaker 1: So like this was I mean, this was such a
Speaker 1: little safe an over here. When you're on a block
Speaker 1: like that and you're that young and this is just
Speaker 1: my grandma's house, you don't think about gang life yet.
Speaker 1: You're not thinking about how it's just just unaware, like
Speaker 1: you're just and it's not it's not unaware in a
Speaker 1: sense of like naive, it's just innocent. We're just kids.
Speaker 1: You know. There were kids that, like your grandma said,
Speaker 1: don't play with them, like you know, you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to play with them. They you know, they're not raised right,
Speaker 1: they're bad little kids. And then there's kids that you look,
Speaker 1: there's nowhere in the world y'all didn't know somebody that
Speaker 1: felt like, I don't know, man, I just don't feel
Speaker 1: safe around this food. Like when you was kids, you
Speaker 1: couldn't put your finger on but you were just like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, some you know what I'm saying, Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should play with them. So
Speaker 1: we had we had that on our street too, So
Speaker 1: there was kids across the street, and I remember specifically
Speaker 1: my cousins, some of my older cousins being like, basically
Speaker 1: without saying it, like yo, don't go over there, like
Speaker 1: essentially like, man, you know this, this your grandma and them.
Speaker 1: You don't live on this street. That's just your grandma
Speaker 1: on them and you don't know them, and you're not
Speaker 1: built for this. I was like, we're just playing Nintendo,
Speaker 1: you know, and they were cool, it's fun. Everybody over
Speaker 1: there a grandma house. They all older than me. Like
Speaker 1: I'm one of the younger. I'm on the younger side.
Speaker 1: And my cousins so like everybody older than me, Like
Speaker 1: I just got drinking. I'm like, man, I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go over there and go play. So we're playing Nintendo,
Speaker 1: you know, slap boxing outside, putting the box and things,
Speaker 1: and then they decide they're gonna go to the Golden
Speaker 1: Ox to get some fries. They used to call it
Speaker 1: the Ox. I understand what he was saying at first
Speaker 1: when he said the Ox, and I was like, we're
Speaker 1: going to wear He was like ox. I was like
Speaker 1: where He's like Golden Ox to get some fries. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah. So I'm looking back across the
Speaker 1: street and there was a golden ox. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: I'm looking back across the street at my family function
Speaker 1: and they're chilling, and I just remember somebody looking across
Speaker 1: the street basically like Jason, what is you doing? Y'all
Speaker 1: know my birth name is Jason, Like what what is
Speaker 1: you doing? And me just trying to be cool. So,
Speaker 1: you know, there was an alleyway right behind this golden ox.
Speaker 1: It's on Florence and Maine. Uh again, east side of
Speaker 1: South Central were still there, which is like pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: The gay the alleyway. You know, it's caged off now,
Speaker 1: but like it comes a little lack click in the alleyway.
Speaker 1: Here comes to lack click clack. Popped the trunk. And
Speaker 1: then I started realizing as they politicking all the little
Speaker 1: cause cause b block lock started happening, and then the
Speaker 1: tools starts showing up, you know what I mean by
Speaker 1: the tools, you know, And at that point, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is really. Like like I said before, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is real. You know, I should man, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready for this. And like
Speaker 1: at that point, I was like, see this why everybody
Speaker 1: kept looking at me across the street like hey, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was like, oh this, and
Speaker 1: I remember having I remember making that decision that day,
Speaker 1: like yeah, let me go ahead and uh, let me
Speaker 1: go ahead and fall back. There's a thing that people reference,
Speaker 1: at least in the streets, at least in the generation
Speaker 1: before me. Like a lot of young dudes they ain't
Speaker 1: never seen the movie, but but the dudes above me
Speaker 1: referenced the nineties movie Boys in the Hood, because I
Speaker 1: think of a lot of the gangster movies that were
Speaker 1: kind of happening around this time. John Singleton, who was
Speaker 1: clearly from South Central like captured a very special like
Speaker 1: specificity about what it was like to be in South
Speaker 1: Central and an extension California as a whole or l
Speaker 1: A as a whole in its surrounding areas. Because you
Speaker 1: could you could uproot this story and in at least
Speaker 1: it's the high points of it, and you could place
Speaker 1: this in Filipino community to places Latino communities. The high
Speaker 1: points of it. There are let me not say it's
Speaker 1: all the same thing, but there are there are specific notes,
Speaker 1: and those notes are captured in the relationship between dough
Speaker 1: Boy and Trey and dough Boy is ice Cube, These
Speaker 1: dough Boys played by ice Cube and Trades played by
Speaker 1: Cuba Gooden Jr. Right, and when it was time to
Speaker 1: go ride, right we like again. A game references this
Speaker 1: moment too in his Drink Champs episode when it was
Speaker 1: time to go ride, when it was time to go
Speaker 1: shoot up a situation to go blast out the window,
Speaker 1: like it's time to go do some murdering. Trey was
Speaker 1: angry and was in the whip with him, but then
Speaker 1: had a moment where he was like, yo, let me out,
Speaker 1: and the whole and the whole rest of the car
Speaker 1: looked at him like, really need to get you fi
Speaker 1: get out. Dough boys stayed in the car, Trey got
Speaker 1: out the car. Now they brothers, they both same hood,
Speaker 1: same neighborhood, They family like this, They raised in the
Speaker 1: same space, same thing. It's the same. Nobody questioning if
Speaker 1: Trey really from here, but Tray go off to college.
Speaker 1: Dough boy dies, I mean, if if there's a statute
Speaker 1: of limitations on spoilers. But the point is it's the
Speaker 1: picture of whether you gang banging or you just affiliated.
Speaker 1: You a civilian or you're a soldier, and that's the difference.
Speaker 1: Some people stay in the car and it's gonna die
Speaker 1: out here because we know what we signed up for.
Speaker 1: Is the is they attitude? Others are like Tray that's
Speaker 1: like this is my family to sit. But like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not made for this, and you gotta make the
Speaker 1: call to get out the car because if you stay
Speaker 1: in the car, you have to shoot because you know
Speaker 1: what you signed up for. You don't think twice right.
Speaker 1: Game makes an example of that's the difference between him
Speaker 1: and Kendrick because he's like they're actually very similar in
Speaker 1: the way that they're in their tastes and what they like.
Speaker 1: It's just the difference is I stayed in the car.
Speaker 1: Kendrick has sense enough to get out the car, you know,
Speaker 1: because you used to think that staying in the car
Speaker 1: was like that's real nigga ship, Like that's you're real man,
Speaker 1: If you're real nigg if you stay in the car,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, it's really you out
Speaker 1: here in the field, like you really. If you stay
Speaker 1: in the car, you you fake and you fraudulent if
Speaker 1: you get out and now Game is like, damn, I'm
Speaker 1: in my forties now, so maybe I should have got
Speaker 1: out of the car. It's it's crazy right you because
Speaker 1: you like, man, I don't know if this was the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. It's what I knew. It's like
Speaker 1: at that point, it's too late. Like I know a
Speaker 1: lot of gang intervention people I I that was like
Speaker 1: serving in our communities was like even way out of
Speaker 1: the I e. Because whatever the reason was, they was
Speaker 1: out there trying to you know, look out for us too.
Speaker 1: The attitude was, look, it's too late for me. Don't
Speaker 1: don't make the same mistakes I did. I know what
Speaker 1: I signed up for. If you got a chance to
Speaker 1: get out the car, get out the car like people think.
Speaker 1: People think that, like you know, gang recruitment is like
Speaker 1: equal opportunity. A lot of these ogs were at least
Speaker 1: around my age. They knew what they was looking for
Speaker 1: because they life on the line too. I can't have
Speaker 1: you if I'm if I'm gonna put you, if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put you on. That's part of the jumping in thing,
Speaker 1: like it's the pain you experience. But if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you on, I need to know you're not gonna
Speaker 1: think twice as you are as you a writer or not.
Speaker 1: That's why you asked. You're gonna ride or die? Like
Speaker 1: you gotta know what it is. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like you in your apartment building, you got you got
Speaker 1: ten guns to this apartment, to this building. I need
Speaker 1: to know if it go down, you know where them
Speaker 1: guns are and when you and when I put it
Speaker 1: in your hand. You ain't gonna think twice. Y'all know
Speaker 1: what you signed up for, you either tray or dough boy,
Speaker 1: and it's and it's on us, and it's on the
Speaker 1: hood to make sure in active situations that you're ready.
Speaker 1: If not d P DP is disciplined, you get d P.
Speaker 1: If you're messing up a bag or like you thought
Speaker 1: twice when it was time to go down, are you
Speaker 1: gonna get DP? What does that mean? That means them
Speaker 1: dudes fnna beat the mess out. They're gonna beat the
Speaker 1: brakes off you because you still hood, it's still you,
Speaker 1: still family, But they're gonna beat the brakes off you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be walking around just as sore as the
Speaker 1: ops ain't gonna kill you, but they're gonna beat the
Speaker 1: brakes off you, just to teach you you don't think twice,
Speaker 1: you put all our lives in danger. But on the
Speaker 1: other hand, we're still talking about human beings. I don't
Speaker 1: care how hard this person say, how hard they say
Speaker 1: they are. When guns is flying, when the bullets is
Speaker 1: flying and you don't know where the direction they're coming from,
Speaker 1: you don't think twice. It's scary. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've ever been in a shootout situation, whether you was
Speaker 1: innocent bystander or you just happen to hear from far away. Hell,
Speaker 1: you can hear guns from two blocks away, and it's scary,
Speaker 1: Like don't like like, don't let nobody lie to you
Speaker 1: that adrenaline Some people are just adrenaline junkies. It's scary.
Speaker 1: You like this not It's like, don't you your instincts
Speaker 1: are gonna click in. It's scary, But what did you
Speaker 1: sign up for? Right? And then on the other hand,
Speaker 1: there's a a type of training that like, well, nobody
Speaker 1: wants innocent people to die, so you don't just don't
Speaker 1: start spraying back. You gotta know who your op is,
Speaker 1: what the situation is. And I mean nobody wants you know,
Speaker 1: little Kayla who just happened to be playing outside nobody
Speaker 1: wants unless stay crazy. Nobody wants the baby to die.
Speaker 1: So sometimes you gotta like wait, regroup. You can't just
Speaker 1: shoot at everybody, like hold on, wait, wait a second, man,
Speaker 1: take do a little recon Like think this through. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You're walk into a party. You
Speaker 1: don't know what everybody got, even if it's a hospital.
Speaker 1: You can't walk in here just stacking like I don't
Speaker 1: care how many of y'all got in here, Like nah, homie,
Speaker 1: you don't know what they got. You don't know, you
Speaker 1: don't know what. You don't know what they are. You
Speaker 1: don't know how they're gonna respond. You don't know that.
Speaker 1: You don't make no assumptions about foods like so like
Speaker 1: look some sometimes you fall back for tactical reasons because
Speaker 1: I don't look, I don't know what he got on him.
Speaker 1: I don't know who in this room, know who what?
Speaker 1: I don't know. So don't just walk in man, you
Speaker 1: can get like I said, you know you maybe you
Speaker 1: may have seen the enemy. You're ready to go ride
Speaker 1: on them, yn't and like you don't know, like you
Speaker 1: don't know how many guns they got in there in
Speaker 1: that apartment building. You may only have like four five
Speaker 1: burnard stats and the bushes here thing's got twenty thirty guns.
Speaker 1: You don't know that. Now wait a second, Now, all
Speaker 1: this is me talking out my neck. You know why,
Speaker 1: because I ain't signed up for it. I got out
Speaker 1: the car. That's why I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: So if you ask me if I'm hesitate NIGGI yeah,
Speaker 1: because I ain't signed up for that. But if it
Speaker 1: came to my children, I don't know if there's anything,
Speaker 1: and I mean, ain't nothing gonna stop me kind to
Speaker 1: my children. Let me tell this story. We used to
Speaker 1: live in Long Beach and there was one night our
Speaker 1: house used to our our little apartment used to the
Speaker 1: back entrance was like an alleyway, you know in our
Speaker 1: and me and my wife's bedroom window kind of faced
Speaker 1: the alleyway. It was a great view of the alleyway
Speaker 1: in the trash cans anyway. You know, one night, I'm
Speaker 1: dozing off and we hear You always hear people in
Speaker 1: the alleyway, you know, cars, tweakers, whatever the case. Maybe
Speaker 1: you just hear them all the time. And then one
Speaker 1: day in the you know, out of a cold sleep,
Speaker 1: I could hear what sounded like somebody trying to get
Speaker 1: into our gate from the alleyway into like into our
Speaker 1: living space rather than just passing by, so he was
Speaker 1: trying to get in. My eyes popped open cold sleep.
Speaker 1: My wife said, Babe, now you know that pile of
Speaker 1: clothes that's next to the bed that a lot of
Speaker 1: times I don't know. I guess I'm making assist gender
Speaker 1: joke here, but like heterosexual couple sist gender heterosexual couple joke.
Speaker 1: But that pile of clothes that's on the side of
Speaker 1: the bed that men always have, the clothes that are
Speaker 1: in between dirty and clean, where it's like it's not
Speaker 1: really ready for the hamper yet, I could probably wear
Speaker 1: it again. Or it's the parasuetes that you was trying
Speaker 1: to sleep in but it got too hot so you
Speaker 1: just put them on the side of the bed. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: that pile of clothes is the babe, did you hear
Speaker 1: that pile of clothes or the can you go get
Speaker 1: me some water? Pile of clothes? At at some point, yo,
Speaker 1: booths ain't gonna send you outside to something. What I
Speaker 1: don't want to be is outside in the alley way
Speaker 1: standing over a dead body in Madrals. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to be on the news talking about this with self
Speaker 1: defense in Madrals. So there's a pile of closed next
Speaker 1: to my bed, just in case my wife sents me
Speaker 1: to do something. So anyway, Babe, I pop up and
Speaker 1: I probably physically can't do this again. But my side
Speaker 1: of the bed was towards the wall, and her side
Speaker 1: of the bed was, you know, towards the door to
Speaker 1: get out, And somehow another in one movement, I was
Speaker 1: able to push my body up and jump over her,
Speaker 1: get my sweats on, get into the kitchen to the
Speaker 1: like weapons area, grab a knife, and I was outside
Speaker 1: in the alley. And somewhere in between that, I shut
Speaker 1: and locked my wife's door and my child's door, my
Speaker 1: daughter's door to their bedroom. And I don't remember how
Speaker 1: I did all that. It was like you just your
Speaker 1: lizard brain clicks in and it's just go time. All
Speaker 1: I could think about is you gonna have to kill
Speaker 1: me before you get to my family. I'm either going
Speaker 1: to jail or the hospital. But you're not getting in
Speaker 1: this don't. You're not getting in this house. It was
Speaker 1: just that simple to me. Praise the Lord. Was nobody
Speaker 1: outside and once I came to and I realized, like, damn,
Speaker 1: Mo'm minute like this. White dudes be on the news
Speaker 1: with no shirt on yo, saying I have my sweat
Speaker 1: but I hain't no shirt and I'm railed thin. But
Speaker 1: all I was like this out this out of memes
Speaker 1: happen because we heard it say on in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, and it was like, go time, family.
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all if I'm lying, I'm flying. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: It was like I blacked out, like I really it
Speaker 1: all felt like one fluid movement. It was like flow state,
Speaker 1: like I can't explain in All I could think about
Speaker 1: was there's gonna be a murder tonight. It's either him
Speaker 1: or me. It's them or me. It's just what's not
Speaker 1: going to happen. You are not getting in this house.
Speaker 1: You are not going to hurt my family. It's just
Speaker 1: look like I said, I probably I don't. I couldn't
Speaker 1: replicate that. I can't bring that. I just can't bring
Speaker 1: that type of energy to force at any moment. I
Speaker 1: just thought my children were in danger and there's just
Speaker 1: there's just there's nothing. You're ain't no way, That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Ain't no way, it's just nothing to do
Speaker 1: it now, active shooter situation. You're on the special duty
Speaker 1: of protecting elementary school kids. And as the story has developed,
Speaker 1: we've been learning and trying to understand how all of
Speaker 1: this transpired. You know, it's a town of like sixty
Speaker 1: six thousand people, like there's there's barely anyone there. It's
Speaker 1: a small, tiny Latino town with an even tinier police force,
Speaker 1: and you in probably the scariest situation of your life. Now,
Speaker 1: I started looking for people who were in special forces,
Speaker 1: tactical units, or signed up for this special type of
Speaker 1: school police protection, which really only existed after post Columbine,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was something we ain't ever seen
Speaker 1: nothing like that, like an active mass shooter situation in
Speaker 1: a school. Schools used to not have forces that were
Speaker 1: specifically for that. Before that, you were supposed to wait
Speaker 1: for the experts, you know, you you yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: go in because we never seen nothing like that, Like
Speaker 1: you wait for the experts. After this, it was like,
Speaker 1: after this, you know, we started having these rise of
Speaker 1: these active gunmen's, these shooters school shooting situations. No, you
Speaker 1: you need to take the you need to take the
Speaker 1: danger out immediately. You gotta subdue the the target immediately.
Speaker 1: And there's no thinking like I need to stop who
Speaker 1: who to shoot or find him? Shoot him? Ended? And
Speaker 1: I think about end it now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it didn't used to be like that. Now you're
Speaker 1: in a tiny town near a Texas border. This is
Speaker 1: the last thing on your mind. Family. You've been writing tickets,
Speaker 1: you've been like being deporters, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Just you ain't like you know you like you haven't
Speaker 1: you know, doing domestic violence calls like you ain't had
Speaker 1: no situation like this. But if you but once you
Speaker 1: start talking to like you know, special forces, taxing people
Speaker 1: like I saw this video on on what is that
Speaker 1: thing called Twitter? I'm tired, y'all. And the gentleman was
Speaker 1: calmly explaining, Hey man, you have to understand that if
Speaker 1: you sign up to protect people's babies, don't nobody care
Speaker 1: whether you make it home or not. That's stay babies.
Speaker 1: And if that's a thing for you, then this may
Speaker 1: be not the job. Like if you if you're trying
Speaker 1: to preserve your own life, you have you this isn't
Speaker 1: the field. No one is concerned about your life. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, he Cutt't it real clean for that?
Speaker 1: That's kind of true. Man, Like when we're thinking about
Speaker 1: the police response, which we're getting to when it was
Speaker 1: when the when the cops was like, yo, well we
Speaker 1: might get shot too. That's why we didn't go in.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't mind it. Why whether you live or not,
Speaker 1: anybody worried about the fireman give burnt you both. That's
Speaker 1: your job. You go in there and put the fire
Speaker 1: out again. You know what you signed up for. So
Speaker 1: this is what he trying it. So this so this
Speaker 1: this technical unit dude that I saw twitter that I'm
Speaker 1: horribly I should have more evidence it is, but his
Speaker 1: own their problems. He was like, listen, maybe this isn't
Speaker 1: a job for you, and that's fine. And that's that's
Speaker 1: why I think people need to understand. It's fine if you, like,
Speaker 1: if you're still trying to believe this like superhero, like
Speaker 1: you're all John McClain, Like all cops are John McClain.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's a die hard reference
Speaker 1: that all cops. And he's just like hero, you know,
Speaker 1: just crime fighters, like all of your Avengers. Then yeah,
Speaker 1: then you can't bitch up in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: or maybe you're not, and listen, it's fine. Just don't
Speaker 1: sign up for the type of position that you can't
Speaker 1: but then just just betrayed. It's fine, Just get out
Speaker 1: the car because you like this ain't the world for you.
Speaker 1: And don't ask for billions of dollars for no tanks
Speaker 1: and like army grade weapons. If when you had the
Speaker 1: chance to use your weapons, you don't use them. You
Speaker 1: got to know what you signed up for. And don't
Speaker 1: nobody care whether you come home or not. We're talking
Speaker 1: about their children, and as and as the story is progressed,
Speaker 1: that's rain true about children, about your kids too, because
Speaker 1: not only were the police having a restraint of parents,
Speaker 1: some of them parents got away and went and got
Speaker 1: their babies. Ain't none of y'all. You're not listen to me.
Speaker 1: Listen to me. You're not gonna stop me from getting
Speaker 1: my baby. I die in there. You're not gonna stop
Speaker 1: me from getting my baby. And then when the cops
Speaker 1: finally went in, guess what they did. A couple of
Speaker 1: them when got their babies, Like I just okay, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's huteman. Have you just I'm saying, at
Speaker 1: that point, your lizard brain took over. I don't care
Speaker 1: how much you've been trained. The ship is scary. Your
Speaker 1: lizard brain gonna take over. Just don't act like you
Speaker 1: an avenger because you're not. And so and in my
Speaker 1: position is this Wait, let me back up. The story
Speaker 1: I'm covering was how the local police hesitated and then
Speaker 1: some of them waited for and then they waited for
Speaker 1: like the specialist to get there before they breached the
Speaker 1: school to go apprehend this kid that was, you know,
Speaker 1: shooting up in the meantime, like and not only that,
Speaker 1: like Homie was outside the school. He's running around to
Speaker 1: see and shot at his grandma, crashed his car. Was
Speaker 1: like shooting outside the school, then went in the school
Speaker 1: started shooting the popo just around now. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: paint this picture to give some color to what the
Speaker 1: popo was doing. And if you haven't followed me, so,
Speaker 1: if you haven't figured out what I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: here is I'm actually humanizing the police here too. What
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is shit is scary, right, But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you stayed in the car with
Speaker 1: dough Boy. But on the other hand, when you was
Speaker 1: in that alleyway between Florence and Maine, you could have
Speaker 1: turned around just like me. Not only you kept going.
Speaker 1: I know it's scary, but this is what you signed
Speaker 1: up for. So they didn't go in. They waited, and
Speaker 1: as the story started going coming forward, like, yo, I
Speaker 1: thought that wasn't protocol, Like why did y'all wait in?
Speaker 1: Their answer got everybody riled up, And I want you
Speaker 1: to listen to this answer and follow me on this.
Speaker 1: The answer us look at we didn't even know where
Speaker 1: the bullets was coming from. And when they stopped shooting,
Speaker 1: he said that for a second there, we thought it
Speaker 1: went from an active shooter to a barricade situation. And
Speaker 1: if it's a barricade situation, then yeah, you need some tactics,
Speaker 1: you need some strategy. So on one hand, you could
Speaker 1: make the descendant and look, and this is what they're
Speaker 1: trying to say. It sounds awful when they're like, well,
Speaker 1: if we had just went in, man, we would have
Speaker 1: got shot and we could have died too. I know
Speaker 1: it seems crazy, but like I mean, we could have
Speaker 1: shot too, and all of us went chick rocks. Their
Speaker 1: argument is, well, if we go down, then there's no
Speaker 1: hope what y'all gonna do if we go down. So
Speaker 1: we need to make sure that we're good too. We're
Speaker 1: trying to preserve life. But like all want my officers
Speaker 1: to die. Either. The problem is, don't nobody care about
Speaker 1: your life? Right now? Our children are in there, nicky,
Speaker 1: you signed up to watch our children. I'm my my
Speaker 1: brain look, my brain went back to the lizard thing.
Speaker 1: Somebody need to go in there and get my kids.
Speaker 1: And if you ain't gonna go, I'm gonna go. Make
Speaker 1: give me that gun. Like listen, you're gonna be an
Speaker 1: alleyway like problem. Either they're dying, I'm dying. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you what's not gonna happen. Not gonna You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get my children, but showing up nineteen nineteen folks,
Speaker 1: nineteen babies. All that to say this, when you look
Speaker 1: at the police decision, and now you know as of
Speaker 1: today it's may, it's being investigated. Like the governor Abbott,
Speaker 1: you know, for what he's worth. He's like, man, what wait,
Speaker 1: y'all wait what? And the police chief in the place
Speaker 1: was like, yo, we got the benefit of hindsight now,
Speaker 1: like damn that was not a good idea. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: take else you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give him that. He's like, damn, yeah now it sounds
Speaker 1: stupid now. It sounds stupid now. But Yo, at the
Speaker 1: time we thought this was the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: Maybe or maybe y'all was scared, you know, And if
Speaker 1: you're scared, go to church, just like this ship you
Speaker 1: signed up for. That's why, ain't nobody got mercy for you?
Speaker 1: And on top of that, it's our children, and it
Speaker 1: might be a whole lot of reasons why tactically speaking,
Speaker 1: you should take a beat to figure out what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, look, man, y'all signed up to be
Speaker 1: dough boy. You post to protect my children nineteen on. Yo,
Speaker 1: watch now listen. If you got a conscious that stuff
Speaker 1: weigh heavy on you. I don't think it's any officer
Speaker 1: in that tiny town that that ain't wearing heavy on
Speaker 1: you know. We see the uh you know, the political stuff.
Speaker 1: I noticed because I know if O. G has lived
Speaker 1: long enough, they carry a lot of PTSD and regret
Speaker 1: around some of the lives they've taken. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: we did, we had to do. I get it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was their life over mind.
Speaker 1: I made a decision. But this and ship humm me,
Speaker 1: it keeps it keep them up at night. And especially
Speaker 1: if you ever did time, Like unless you just a
Speaker 1: straight sociopath, you did time. Man, You're like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: haunted by this stuff, man, like you're sitting in that
Speaker 1: sale by yourself. I mean, it is scary, man, And
Speaker 1: it's already it's already traumatic because you know, especially like
Speaker 1: if it was a shootout situation, like I'm talking gang stuff,
Speaker 1: it was shootout situation, like you your life flash before
Speaker 1: your eyes too. Don't let nobody a lie to you.
Speaker 1: You don't get used to that, you know. But I
Speaker 1: know it's police right now, who's like getting night terrors?
Speaker 1: They know the nineteen kids was on. They watch you.
Speaker 1: You think they don't regret that pause. You think they
Speaker 1: don't regret that, I bet you they do. I think
Speaker 1: some of them didn't know what they signed up for.
Speaker 1: I think some of them did. I think some of
Speaker 1: them just didn't never expect that this was gonna go down. Now,
Speaker 1: there might be levels of racism to it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's not I don't know that's not a not a
Speaker 1: story I'm seeing. The most racist thing I've been seeing
Speaker 1: was the fact that like y'all can't even talk to
Speaker 1: these families in Spanish. It's like you don't even care fan.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying from what I understand. You
Speaker 1: know this city is notorious for like gunning for deportation.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they held off because it was
Speaker 1: brown kids. I know that like a lot of uh
Speaker 1: the police force was brown kids. But power is the
Speaker 1: hell of a drug. Don't you get into a system,
Speaker 1: you start thinking you better than the other ones. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's the situation. I know it's real
Speaker 1: in the field, though, I also know listen, when you
Speaker 1: sign up this, look, that's just how this is just
Speaker 1: how it go. Fam You signed up for this, and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's par for the course.
Speaker 1: When you if you pull, if you look, you gotta bust,
Speaker 1: you gotta shoot, it sucks. And if you nod down
Speaker 1: the shoot, then don't sign up for it, or don't
Speaker 1: pretend like you were superhero because you're not. And that's fine,
Speaker 1: it's okay if you're not a superhero. Hey, I'm saying, look, police.
Speaker 1: It's okay if you're not John McClain, it's fine. Just
Speaker 1: don't don't make us pay you like you are just
Speaker 1: gonna go be that nobody like false flagging. Why I
Speaker 1: make it very clear on this show that I do
Speaker 1: talk a lot of gangster stuff. Why I always have
Speaker 1: a caveat is because I need people to understand I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna false flag for you, because I'm okay with
Speaker 1: who I am. I know, I I know, I ain't
Speaker 1: that I know niggas that are I know I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I understand them because I had to be
Speaker 1: around in my whole life. But I ain't been a
Speaker 1: false flag with y'all. Number one, because real niggas caught
Speaker 1: me on it. But number two, it just don't do
Speaker 1: nobody good. So, yeah, you had an active suitor situation
Speaker 1: and the popo hesitated. Why well, maybe you didn't know
Speaker 1: what you signed up for or maybe that's it was
Speaker 1: super scary either way, either you dough boy or trade.
Speaker 1: But if if you dough boy, you pull that gun
Speaker 1: and his lives in danger, I can't be thinking twice
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