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Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Perystal?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do increasingly looking like a forever war in Uran,

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Speaker 2: at least that's direction that the President suggests we are

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Speaker 2: heading entry to PARSI will join with his analysis. We've

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Speaker 2: also got the wild details of a regime change plot

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Speaker 2: pushed by Israel to install Akmedinajad as the president of Aro.

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Speaker 2: This is so crazy, especially if you live through the

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Speaker 2: Achma Dinajod era. We'll show you little bit of flashback

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Speaker 2: of Hotnet and I who used to talk about this

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Speaker 2: guy and also get trade to Parci's reaction to all

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Speaker 3: There is another ice killing.

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Speaker 2: This is the second in less than a week, this

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Speaker 2: one happening in Maine and sparking mass protest there outside

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Speaker 2: of Susan Collins's office. Hailey Stevens is running ads suggesting

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Speaker 2: she is backed by Obama when she certainly is not.

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Speaker 2: And professional baseball player Bryce Harper is under fire for

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Speaker 2: a gambling a video that he made for a gambling addict.

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Speaker 3: Sagares is I on this one very closely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Royling MLB Major League Baseball. I will

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Speaker 1: confess I know nothing about baseball, but I do know

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Speaker 1: a lot about gambling. And Bryce Harper is now the

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Speaker 1: face of a very very corrupt industry and problem he

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Speaker 1: us great insight actually into how gambling companies keep people hooked.

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Speaker 1: What absolute scum these people are, and surely I'm excited

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Speaker 1: a friend. But as Crystal said, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: start with the situation with Iran. It looks more and

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Speaker 1: in a full blown forever war. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: start with Donald Trump's truth Social post yesterday. We alluded

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Speaker 1: Strait is open and will remain open with or without Iran.

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Speaker 1: We are resting reinstating the Iranian blockade, so named because

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Speaker 1: it is only stopping Iran ships or customers from entering

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Speaker 1: very volatile section of the world. Obviously, the major top

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Speaker 1: reinstituting the blockade against Iran, but more importantly is actually

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Speaker 1: The biggest problem is how much this massively undermines the

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Speaker 1: Whereas now Trump is saying no, no, no, no, We're going

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Speaker 2: They were the charge, right, They were pretending for five

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Speaker 3: So that's where we are now.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean he's back to blockade, trying to

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Speaker 2: And you know, this is why you would not be

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Speaker 2: We know they are likely able to wait us out. Economically,

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Speaker 2: The Iranians understand all of this. So when this next

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Speaker 3: Well, what is he going to go to next?

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Speaker 2: Is it going to be enough pain that he then

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Speaker 2: what we're trying is not working. And you know, unlike

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right, and actually to your point about

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Speaker 1: how look, Trump says a lot of things, but I

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Speaker 1: actually want you able to watch this next interview very closely.

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Speaker 1: What you're seeing is an interview with Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt, who is of course a massive neocon. Hugh

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Speaker 1: Hewitt keeps pushing him to take Pickaxe Mountain, which is

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Speaker 1: an alleged Iranian nuclear facility. Trump basically says, yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, every time they send a drone,

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Speaker 4: we hit him very hard. But we had a deal,

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Speaker 4: but nobody knows we had a deal. It was a

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Speaker 4: done deal, and then they broke it. They always break it.

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Speaker 5: We've had ten deals with these vaiople, and so we're

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Speaker 5: just going to hit him very hard, and we're going

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Speaker 5: the Guardian Angel of the Strait. And we should be

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Speaker 5: reimbursed for that. When we do that, we're going to

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Speaker 5: be reimburrassed because the other nations are very wealthy. They're

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Speaker 5: that for nothing, unlike we had for many years.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna hit them hard tomorrow and there's not a

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Speaker 6: damn thing they can do about it. They have nothing,

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Speaker 6: they have nothing going other than they have big mouths.

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Speaker 6: And I keep it President that I did. You got

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Speaker 6: to know them and it's a lot better. You know,

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Speaker 6: to know them with this sone cold crazy people got

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Speaker 6: you great speech, mister President.

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Speaker 3: Go get Pickaxe Mountain and don't keep the speaker waiting.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, sir.

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Speaker 6: Okay, and we will do that. We're going to take

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Speaker 6: out Pickaxe Mountain. Tell the Iranians to be ready coming.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 6: There's not a damn thing they can do about it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to hahahaha. Yeah, it's all just so so funny.

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Speaker 1: To bomb Iranian nuclear facilities and to keep this war going.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that clip is very important because

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Speaker 1: doing interviews with that. You know, to get Trump on

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Speaker 1: be just the disastrous military operation. Trump also into the

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Speaker 1: forever war point, is now justifying the war having lasted

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Speaker 1: several months by saying well, we were in Vietnam for

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Speaker 1: nineteen years. We're barely even in this thing. Let's take

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Speaker 3: Your president, you know, to the United States is bombing

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Speaker 7: I mean that you've been bombing.

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Speaker 8: Is this just the new normal?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, we're in Vietnam for nineteen years.

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Speaker 7: We're here for four months, so I think we've done

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Speaker 5: We've knocked out the navy in a period of one month.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we were Vietnam for nineteen years. It's only

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Speaker 1: managed to cram nineteen years of disaster into just four months.

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Speaker 1: Only you could have done it there, mister president, let's

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Speaker 1: put the Iranian Foreign minister's comments up here on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Potus is absolutely right. Whoever provides secure and safe passage

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Speaker 1: of commercial vessels through the Strait of horror Moves should

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Speaker 1: be compensated for the service. Iran has always been the

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Speaker 1: guardian of the Strait and will remain so forever. Twenty

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Speaker 1: so as I said, it's literally only charging one percent.

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Speaker 2: he approaches things.

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Speaker 1: He really doesn't just coology, can't you. I mean, he

435
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Speaker 1: has won everything that he ever really wanted to. You know,

436
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Speaker 1: he like he won the election. Nobody said it was

437
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen the ultimate gam.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even going back to all his business backankruptcies

439
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Speaker 2: and everything always seems to land on his feet. And

440
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Speaker 2: so that's the way he's operating here, is like, oh,

441
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Speaker 2: all these doom you know, all these Panicans saying it's

442
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Speaker 2: going to be eight dollars of gas, like it's going

443
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Speaker 2: to be fine. Like it's nothing's completely fallen apart yet,

444
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Speaker 2: so we'll work it out.

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Speaker 1: I think he believes he's touched by God. I also

446
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Speaker 1: think a lot of his advisors believe that. I think

447
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Speaker 1: so too. If you're very scary, did you read the

448
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Speaker 1: Regime Change Book or some of it?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I get And so when you read that, you're like

451
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Speaker 1: one of the things that a lot of his advisors can.

452
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Speaker 1: They always defer to him because they're like, well, you

453
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Speaker 1: do have to give it to him. He always wriggles

454
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Speaker 1: his way out of something. And you know, this is

455
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Speaker 1: the one where there's just the perfect alchemy. I feel

456
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Speaker 1: like of like the war, expenditure of resources, ego, the

457
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Speaker 1: straight up horn moves oil, it all just came together

458
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Speaker 1: where this is the one that actually will break him.

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately because you know you're going to You're

460
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Speaker 1: either going to have to have defeat or we invade,

461
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Speaker 1: and both is a defeat in my opinion. It's basically,

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Speaker 1: you know, we talked previously months ago about how this

463
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Speaker 1: is the end of his presidency and this is the

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Speaker 1: definitional point of how it will just never end, like

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Speaker 1: it will just continue to be in the background, a

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Speaker 1: thorn for a few weeks. That may subside for a

467
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Speaker 1: few weeks, it may not, but we're always going to

468
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Speaker 1: end up back here if we don't solve the fundamental question.

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Speaker 2: And I think the other thing he's planning the speech

470
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Speaker 2: Thursday night that's supposed to be about the twenty twenty

471
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Speaker 2: election being rigged by foreign influenced blah blah blah. We

472
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Speaker 2: don't know all the details yet. It may have to

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Speaker 2: do with you know, Venezuela and cutting some sort of

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Speaker 2: a deal. I don't know, but I feel like that

475
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Speaker 2: is both an attempt to try to seize control of

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Speaker 2: the midterms. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some national

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Speaker 2: emergency that was declared or some powers that were grabbed

478
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Speaker 2: to try to change the results of what the midterms

479
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Speaker 2: are likely to be. But also another thing for people

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Speaker 2: to be very justifiably upset about. So they're talking about

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Speaker 2: that and not what a disaster his iron mess.

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Speaker 1: It's a very obvious ploy too, because I mean, do

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Speaker 1: we really think he's gonna seize that. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I just honestly don't think so. I think it will

485
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Speaker 1: be a massive in kind donation to the Assoff campaign

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Speaker 1: and to the One campaign. But what we do know, well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it doesn't diminish how bad it is. Like,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, yeah, disaster. Like to go out there

489
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Speaker 1: and say, like, oh, the election in which I presided over,

490
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Speaker 1: by the way, because I was the president, was somehow rigged,

491
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Speaker 1: it's like, okay, you know, you have a better shot

492
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Speaker 1: at saying that about twenty twenty four. But in reality,

493
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Speaker 1: what it is, and we know this from him, he

494
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Speaker 1: wants to change the narrative. He likes when people freak out.

495
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Speaker 1: It's his personal project. So this though, it just you know,

496
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Speaker 1: you see it today, like you have to just keep

497
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Speaker 1: coming back to Iran. It is the biggest story in

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Speaker 1: the world. It will remain so now for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: There's just no getting out of it unless you basically

500
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Speaker 1: unless you cry uncle so all right, let's get to

501
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Speaker 1: doctor Tree de Parsi. He's standing by for us.

502
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Speaker 2: For more analysis of the Iran war and also this

503
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Speaker 2: wild regime change plot involving Akmadinajad that is just too

504
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Speaker 2: crazy to believe. We are joined now by doctor Treta

505
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Speaker 2: Parsi of the Quincy Institute and also author of the

506
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Speaker 2: Treatah Parsi substack that you all should go subscribe to.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you, sar, Good to see you, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've just been talking about all of the updates,

510
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Speaker 2: how it appears that Trump is trying to set up

511
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Speaker 2: some sort of forever war dynamic. You've got a new

512
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Speaker 2: piece up on your substack. We can put this up

513
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Speaker 2: on the screen. You say, a new US Iran war

514
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Speaker 2: would end where the last one did. The fundamentals remain unchanged.

515
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Speaker 2: Iran can threaten hormoves, the US can punish Iran, and

516
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Speaker 2: neither can secure its objectives through force. So what do

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Speaker 2: you make of the developments this week which seemed to

518
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Speaker 2: be a significant break from the previous dynamic where we

519
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Speaker 2: would have some limited bombing over the weekend and then

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Speaker 2: some market timed announcement of new talks and negotiations.

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Speaker 10: Now this is a clear break from that in which

522
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Speaker 10: Trump has just completely shifted his position.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we're back at war. We're back at war.

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Speaker 10: The Ivanians that put back the closure of the strait,

525
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Speaker 10: Trump is putting back the today the blockade of the blockade.

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Speaker 10: We're going back to the previous dynamics without any of

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Speaker 10: the fundamentals changing in a positive way for the United States.

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Speaker 10: When you take a look at, for instance, the stockpile

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Speaker 10: and the inventory of global oil. Remember Vans made a

530
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Speaker 10: statement that the MoU would be used to stock things

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Speaker 10: up and then see where things are.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 7: It hasn't stocked up.

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Speaker 10: We're talking about a five percent recovery during the MoU

535
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Speaker 10: in terms of how much the global oil inventory has dropped.

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Speaker 10: The strategic petroleum reserve of the United States is still down.

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Speaker 10: So none of these things have happened, which means that

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Speaker 10: the runway for the United States, the amount of time

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Speaker 10: it would take before this war would lead to a

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Speaker 10: major economic crisis, is much shorter than it was back

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Speaker 10: in February. On top of that, we're only sixteen weeks

542
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Speaker 10: away from the midterm elections, and of course the secondary

543
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Speaker 10: and third level repercussions of the previous O shock have

544
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Speaker 10: not been fully felt yet, so to start this war

545
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Speaker 10: in this manner at this moment just makes absolutely zero sense.

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Speaker 10: Unless Trump has figured out some sort of a brilliant

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Speaker 10: military strategy that had not been used before that could

548
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Speaker 10: put an end to this world within a week or two,

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Speaker 10: and I very much doubt that. So this is I

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Speaker 10: think more a manifestation that there were some errors made

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Speaker 10: by both sides, some exaggerated reactions to a couple of

552
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Speaker 10: things that happened, but then this sudden, massive overreaction and

553
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Speaker 10: Trump just being in a bad place and decided that

554
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Speaker 10: this is not good enough. And I think this is

555
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Speaker 10: a problem that is going to be recurring if we

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Speaker 10: ever managed to get back to diplomacy. Trump seems to

557
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Speaker 10: need this kind of constant assembly line of positive developments,

558
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Speaker 10: positive feedback to stick to that line, and if he

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Speaker 10: doesn't get it, he just doesn't one to eighty, and

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Speaker 10: you're just not going to be able to resolve the

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Speaker 10: conflict of forty seven years between two countries with that

562
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Speaker 10: type of a straight line, never a bump into road

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Speaker 10: type of approach.

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Speaker 1: Or especially you know, in the middle of negotiations that

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Speaker 1: you just threatened to kill the people who are at

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Speaker 1: the table potentially doesn't help. One of the things, sir,

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Speaker 1: that you're highlighting is about the runway in the global economy,

568
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Speaker 1: and not enough people are paying attention. We have b

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Speaker 1: one that we can just show some of the footage,

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Speaker 1: but it does appear, you know, with the resumption of

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Speaker 1: these hostilities between Saudi Arabia and Yemen, reports are coming

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Speaker 1: out here of Washington that the United States Trump spoke

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Speaker 1: with MBS and Saudi Arabia to actually green light some

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Speaker 1: of these strikes. Obviously, this could bring not just the

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Speaker 1: who these into war with Saudi Arabia, but it could

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Speaker 1: bring them also into a blockade of the Bab al

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Speaker 1: Mandeb Strait, which would only further exacerbate this energy crisis.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of Trump's decision to green light

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Speaker 1: a resumption of hostilities with Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Why

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Speaker 1: would he do so, why would Saudi Arabia want to

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Speaker 1: do so? What are the implications for us.

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Speaker 10: All so, First, I think it's important to understand that

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Speaker 10: the Yemeni dynamic has its own dynamic, but it's happening

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Speaker 10: in the context of this larger problem in the region.

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Speaker 10: But if we look at that dynamic, first and foremost,

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Speaker 10: there was a UN Security Council resolution I forgot which

587
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Speaker 10: year it was, twenty seventeen or so anach must have

588
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Speaker 10: been a little bit earlier in which a blockade was

589
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Speaker 10: put on the Uties. Even though the Iranians and the

590
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Speaker 10: Saudis normalized relations, that UN resolution was never lifted. It

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Speaker 10: sit in place, and the Saudi still want to keep

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Speaker 10: it in place, and they want to make sure that

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Speaker 10: the Juties are not using this normalization to rebuild official

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Speaker 10: logistical lines between Iran and Yemen. And during this funeral

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Speaker 10: of the Supreme Leader, it seems like the Iranians took

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Speaker 10: the opportunity to challenge that bit because they sent the

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Speaker 10: plane to Sona to pick up UTI officials to fly

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Speaker 10: them to the funeral. Decideri's try to stop that. They couldn't.

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Speaker 10: But now when that plane is returning, they attacked the

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Speaker 10: airport and forced the plane to land at at Weida

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Speaker 10: instead of landing in Sona. So I think this is

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Speaker 10: part of that dynamic, But as you pointed out, it

603
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Speaker 10: is taking place within the context in which you're seeing

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Speaker 10: Trump simply being in an escalatory mode.

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Speaker 7: So you know, to be frank at this point.

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Speaker 10: If any of the leaders in the region were to

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Speaker 10: call him right now and ask him for a green

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Speaker 10: light for some sort of a military action that they could.

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Speaker 7: Frame as being a.

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Speaker 10: Devastating blow to Yvan, I suspect that he would say

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Speaker 10: yes to it without thinking twice.

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Speaker 1: Right, good point.

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Speaker 2: So is it your sense of that MOLU is basically

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Speaker 2: dead at this point? I mean, the thing was signed

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Speaker 2: and then they never even really got to the sixty

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Speaker 2: day negotiations, which were meant to tackle these more difficult issues,

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Speaker 2: the nuclear program involving control of the straight U wom

618
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Speaker 2: moves that never really even developed, and now here we

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Speaker 2: are barreling back towards full scale hostilities.

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Speaker 7: I think the MoU is dead. That does not mean

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Speaker 7: that it cannot be revived.

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Speaker 10: At some point, they're probably going to come to the

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Speaker 10: conclusion that this is not working and there needs to

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Speaker 10: be a return to some form of a ceasefire. There's

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Speaker 10: problems with the MU, there's ambiguity that were too big, clearly,

626
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Speaker 10: but if you want to start off from scratch, that's

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Speaker 10: going to be a very very difficult task. So I

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Speaker 10: think if there is a return to diplomacy. If we're

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Speaker 10: lucky enough that that happens, it's going to at least

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Speaker 10: be built on the MU some changes, obviously, but it's

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Speaker 10: not going to start off from scratch. But I think

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Speaker 10: the one thing that may change that may cause them

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Speaker 10: to go back to the table is not that the

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Speaker 10: fundamentals are change in anyone's favor in a particular way,

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Speaker 10: but rather that the allure that military action can change

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Speaker 10: the facts on the ground in a manner that shifts

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Speaker 10: the dynamics in the negotiations in anyone's side. That alert,

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Speaker 10: I think is going to be gone because I think

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Speaker 10: it will be clear after the second round that it

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Speaker 10: is really not going to change anything in a significant manner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's my question, sir. So you know

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Speaker 1: when we talk about this and get so it's not

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Speaker 1: just the United States that has to bring to cust

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Speaker 1: to come to the table. What about the Iranian side?

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Speaker 1: Because you had talked previously there are major divides in

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Speaker 1: Iranian political society. The most noteworthy statement was from the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Leader, who basically said something along the lines of

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to do this, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: listen to my advisors you know, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much agency he himself has, but how what will it

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Speaker 1: take for Iran to come back to the table after

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Speaker 1: all of these resumption of hostilities.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be extremely difficult to get back to

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Speaker 10: the table the Iranians. First of all, I do think

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Speaker 10: that the Iranians also committed mistakes. I think it was

656
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Speaker 10: an old reaction to shooting at some of these ships.

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Speaker 10: I think this could have been handled different I do

658
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Speaker 10: think that the Iranians suspicion that the United States was

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Speaker 10: trying to build a southern corridor that would be out

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Speaker 10: of the control of the Iranians, that would be able

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Speaker 10: to be operational even if war resumed, essentially taking Iran's

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Speaker 10: leverage away from the Strait, is probably a plausible suspicion

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Speaker 10: that the Iranians had, because it makes perfect sense for

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Speaker 10: the United States to try to do something like that,

665
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Speaker 10: But nevertheless, to do it within the MORU essentially means

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Speaker 10: that you're not really pursuing the negotiations, You're pursuing a

667
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Speaker 10: different path under the guise of negotiations. Nevertheless, setting that aside,

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Speaker 10: I think what has happened here over the course of

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Speaker 10: the last three or so weeks is that I detected

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Speaker 10: a significant darkening in the mood in Iran in terms

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Speaker 10: of them becoming increasingly convinced that the United States was likely,

672
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Speaker 10: or if not inevitable, that it would attack again. They

673
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Speaker 10: were seeing all kinds of signs that indicated to them

674
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Speaker 10: that Trump was not going to follow through with the diplomacy.

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Speaker 10: I think that Israeli Lebanese agreement was one such sign.

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Speaker 10: Another one that got far less attention is that Marco Rubio,

677
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Speaker 10: right before mediating the Lebanese's Radi agreement, which contradicted the

678
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Speaker 10: MU and my view, also went to the GCC States,

679
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Speaker 10: got them all together and got even the Omanis to

680
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Speaker 10: sign on to an official statement that essentially rejected previous

681
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Speaker 10: ideas that the Omanis themselves had put forward about a

682
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Speaker 10: joint management of the strait of hormones. And afterwards Rubio said,

683
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Speaker 10: it doesn't matter. It cannot be if told, it cannot

684
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Speaker 10: be a fee. Everything has to go back to exactly

685
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Speaker 10: the way they were before Debra twenty seven, when the

686
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Speaker 10: United States started a war. That also, I think suggested

687
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Speaker 10: to the Yvarnians that the US is not going to

688
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Speaker 10: have any flexibility because it's.

689
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Speaker 7: Essentially changing its position on the strait.

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Speaker 10: That's how they perceived it and pushed them in the

691
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Speaker 10: direction of thinking that if there's going to be a war,

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Speaker 10: it's better for the Vannians to close the strait earlier

693
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Speaker 10: rather than allow the United States to choose the timing

694
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Speaker 10: of the war on its own. Having said that, I

695
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Speaker 10: think the Irania has made an assumption it may not

696
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Speaker 10: have been absolutely solid, and by that they may have

697
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Speaker 10: made the war that they thought that they could avoid inevitable.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any sense of or any theories or

699
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Speaker 2: do the Iranians have any theories of how long before

700
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Speaker 2: you know, oil really spikes and we have, you know,

701
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Speaker 2: massive global economic fallout in a way that becomes very

702
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Speaker 2: politically painful, more so than it already has been for Trump.

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Speaker 10: I think what happened with the mus the last couple

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Speaker 10: of weeks of negotiations, we saw that the Iranians were

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Speaker 10: very slow. You know, they were neither saying yes to

706
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Speaker 10: the proposals nor no. They were dragging out time. And

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Speaker 10: part of the reason why they were doing so was

708
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Speaker 10: to actually get the global economy to suffer even further

709
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Speaker 10: to strengthen their hand in those negotiations. And there were

710
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Speaker 10: some last minute changes that were made to the proposal,

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Speaker 10: and there are voices in Iran that believed that they

712
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Speaker 10: should have held out even longer, that Trump was really

713
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 10: in a desperate situation and they should have pushed further

714
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Speaker 10: rather than agreed to it at the time. I suspect

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Speaker 10: that this time around, if this continues in the manner

716
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Speaker 10: that it seems to be continuing, they will intensify that.

717
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Speaker 10: They know very well that their starting point is worse

718
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Speaker 10: for the US. They know very well that the political

719
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 10: runway is even shorter. They themselves have suffered because they

720
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Speaker 10: have replenished a lot of oil on the waters, but

721
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Speaker 10: not to the same numbers that they had before the

722
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Speaker 10: war started, so they too are at a lower level.

723
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Speaker 10: But I think they believe that in the short run

724
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Speaker 10: they have a higher pain tolerance.

725
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Speaker 7: Than the United States does.

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Speaker 10: If this ends up becoming a low intensity war that

727
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Speaker 10: goes on for a very long time, then I think

728
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Speaker 10: Vanyas will be in a much worse situation.

729
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Speaker 1: Well, I think we also wanted to discuss with you,

730
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Speaker 1: sir before let's put it up. Here is a New

731
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Speaker 1: York Times investigation about and is really secret operation to

732
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: cultivate Akmedinaja of all people, where it appears that for

733
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Speaker 1: the last several years they have been meeting with him

734
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Speaker 1: secretly all across the world. That part of the scheme

735
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Speaker 1: in bombing his residence was to take out his IRGC

736
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Speaker 1: captors to then smuggle him to some black site inside

737
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Speaker 1: of Iran by a MASSAD agent. Until Akmadinajohn himself appears

738
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Speaker 1: to have left of his own volition and decided that

739
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Speaker 1: the entire regime change operation that was built upon him

740
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Speaker 1: actually taking power and somehow becoming pro Israel decided he

741
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: himself that it wasn't going to work, and he now

742
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Speaker 1: appears to be back under IRGC protection. I guess you

743
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Speaker 1: could call it there's a lot going on here, But

744
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Speaker 1: just what does this tell us about Israel's plot to

745
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Speaker 1: actually have regime change in Iran?

746
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Speaker 10: It's the best way of describing there's a lot going

747
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Speaker 10: on here.

748
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Speaker 7: Look what to make of this?

749
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Speaker 10: Let me start off by saying, look, I don't find

750
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Speaker 10: this to be completely implausible looking at the trajectory of Agnadeinejad,

751
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Speaker 10: the manner in which he really broke with the system.

752
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 10: He had this huge fallout with comedy. He was marginalized.

753
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Speaker 10: He was ostracized in the Iranian political system for quite

754
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Speaker 10: some time. And you know, this is a person of

755
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 10: significant ambition and as a result, the idea that he

756
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 10: could go in this direction, I don't think is implausible.

757
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Speaker 10: The idea that the Israelis would think that this would

758
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Speaker 10: be like one of the this would be the moby

759
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Speaker 10: dick of all flips that they could achieve getting someone

760
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Speaker 10: like Adnadeinjad to flip to their side. I think it

761
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 10: is something that is so attractive that I wouldn't at

762
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 10: all pull it beyond them that they would try.

763
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Speaker 7: Now the rest of the story. Did he actually flip?

764
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Speaker 10: Was it that he changed his mind after his house

765
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Speaker 10: accidentally got bombed, or is it that he changed This

766
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 10: was never sincere from his end at the outset that

767
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 10: this was actually a double effort. I have no idea,

768
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Speaker 10: and I don't know if we ever will find out,

769
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Speaker 10: but I do want to note that it does appear

770
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Speaker 10: that he is in some form of a house arrest

771
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Speaker 10: in Ivan. He was not seen for most of the

772
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Speaker 10: war until he was seen surrounded by bodyguards during the funeral.

773
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Speaker 10: People I've spoken to in Iran have also said that

774
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 10: they find this plausible, and I think given the penetration

775
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 10: that the Israelis have had of the Ivanian system, again,

776
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 10: it is impossible to say that this is just a

777
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 10: complete impossibility, this could never have happened. But nevertheless, some

778
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 10: core elements of this may be true, but rather the

779
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 10: larger framing of it is still unclear to me as

780
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 10: to whether this was really an effort by him to

781
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Speaker 10: flip to that side, or if this was something more

782
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Speaker 10: complicated than that. One thing I want to add to

783
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Speaker 10: I think the biggest loser, the person that probably is

784
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 10: feeling the worst reading that New York Times story is Rezapalaiti.

785
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 10: After everything he did to sell out to these Raelis

786
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 10: and find out that they were actually more inclined to

787
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 10: go with Agnadeineja than with him, tells you a lot.

788
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Speaker 2: Incredible and just as a reminder for audience who may

789
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: be younger, don't remember the details. I mean, he was

790
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: a hardliner when he was president. He was really held

791
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: up as this global villain. We pulled a little throwback

792
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Speaker 2: clip of Netanyahoo talking about Achmadinajad at the UN.

793
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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

794
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Speaker 11: Yesterday, the man who calls the Holocaust. Alie spoke from

795
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Speaker 11: this podium. To those who refused to come, and to

796
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Speaker 11: those who left in protest, I commend you. You stood

797
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 11: up from more clarity, and you brought honor to your countries.

798
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Speaker 11: But to those who gave this Holocaust denier a hearing,

799
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 11: I say, on behalf of my people, the Jewish people

800
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 11: and decent people everywhere. Have you know, have you no decency?

801
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 11: A mere six decades after the Holocaust? You give legitimacy

802
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Speaker 11: to a man who denies the murder of six million

803
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Speaker 11: Jews while promising to wipe out the state of Israel

804
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Speaker 11: the state of the Jews.

805
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Speaker 3: And he's not lying there.

806
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Speaker 2: I mean, Amena job was slash is question mark a

807
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Speaker 2: Holocaust denier. It reminds me very much of the flip

808
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Speaker 2: of al Jelani from terrorists to hey, we'll work with him.

809
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Speaker 2: He's president of Syria. Come to the US. We'll lift sanctions,

810
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: you know, as long as you let Israel what they do,

811
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Speaker 2: what they want to do in occupying portion of Syria.

812
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

813
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Speaker 10: And look, also keep one thing in mind. The Israelis,

814
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Speaker 10: in the early years of them forming their state, recruited

815
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Speaker 10: a lot of Nazis from Germany, to help build up

816
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Speaker 10: their weapons systems.

817
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Speaker 7: So there's a long.

818
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Speaker 10: History of the Israelies setting aside those things. You can

819
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 10: call it pragmatic, you can say that it shows that

820
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 10: the accusation of anti Semitism is allow. They're okay with

821
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 10: them as long as they help Israel advance Israel's interest.

822
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Speaker 7: But there's a long history of this. So again, there's

823
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 7: a lot of in this lot.

824
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 10: Going on in this story, as you said, Sagara, but

825
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 10: at the same time, a lot of it that is

826
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Speaker 10: not implausible.

827
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Speaker 2: The last thing that I wanted to ask you about

828
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Speaker 2: the story is they also talk about this plan to

829
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Speaker 2: arm and train Iranian Kurdish opposition. You know, they're based

830
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Speaker 2: in northern Iraq. They're supposed to cross into western Iran

831
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Speaker 2: hold territory there move toward Tehran. This is something Trump

832
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Speaker 2: has gestured toward multiple times. This part of the plan

833
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: also seems to have completely fallen apart for whatever reason,

834
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Speaker 2: never materialized. I'm also wondering if some of these pieces

835
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: are why Trump was so convinced that this would be

836
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Speaker 2: a three four day bombing campaign and then it would

837
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Speaker 2: be all done and dusted and New Iran congratulate new

838
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Speaker 2: pro American pro Israeli Iran would be bored.

839
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Speaker 10: It may probably very well have been part of the

840
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Speaker 10: reason why he was under disillusion this would take four days.

841
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Speaker 10: But even if they had managed to arm the Kurds,

842
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 10: and even if they had gone in and and invaded

843
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 10: Iran from northern Iraq, it would not frankly have mattered.

844
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Speaker 7: This would not have been a three to four day ordeal.

845
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Speaker 10: This was stopped primarily by the Turks and Iraq's northern

846
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 10: Kurdish government themselves realizing what a disaster it would be

847
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 10: and the high price that Kurdistan in northern Iraq would

848
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Speaker 10: pay because of the Iranian retaliation.

849
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Speaker 7: So it was a fantasy on all sides regardless.

850
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Speaker 10: In some ways, Trump got lucky that this element of

851
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 10: the plan never was fully implemented, because it would probably

852
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 10: have made the situation worse for everyone without changing the

853
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 10: the final outcome.

854
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Speaker 1: My last question for you, sir, the Israel you know, basically,

855
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: you know issue like that belies all of this. We

856
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Speaker 1: actually have not seen a resumption of the bombing between

857
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: the too. We have not seen, at least for now,

858
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: a full scale resumption of what we previously saw in Lebanon,

859
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: and with Hesbola, So that also seems to be underlying

860
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: this whole thing, but of course can rear its head

861
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Speaker 1: at any moment. How do you see the Israeli a

862
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: factor in all of this going forward? Right now we've

863
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: only talked about the United States and Iran, but what

864
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Speaker 1: about israel.

865
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Speaker 11: I?

866
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Speaker 7: Think it's a great question.

867
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Speaker 10: I do wonder whether natania who wants to keep a

868
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Speaker 10: lower profile on this issue. I mean, if he's getting

869
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Speaker 10: if Trump is starting the war on its own, perfect

870
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Speaker 10: for NATANIAO. He doesn't have to have his fingerprints on it.

871
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 10: He doesn't have to be accused of having pushed Trump

872
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 10: in that direction. So if Trump himself is going that direction,

873
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 10: why would Nataniello interfere? Now can Israel at some point

874
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 10: join the war? Perhaps the thinking is that it's actually

875
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 10: better that it doesn't, that it leaves it as an

876
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Speaker 10: Ivanni in the American war that Trump himself fully owns.

877
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 10: But also keep in mind, he's supposedly going to come

878
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 10: here this week, and there's a lot on agenda, and

879
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 10: if he had shown up here three weeks ago, he

880
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 10: would have shown up as a loser, as someone who

881
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 10: dragged Trump into the wrong war, who told him fairy

882
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 10: tales of what would happen. Who is unpopular at home,

883
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 10: is facing difficulties. Was heavily criticized because the US and

884
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 10: Yvon signed a memorandum that really went is against Israeli

885
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 10: interested in Lebanon instead. He's now showing up and he's

886
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 10: going to say, hey, I told you so. I told

887
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 10: you that you can't do diplomacy with the Iranians, and

888
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 10: I told you shouldn't give them these things in Lebanon,

889
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 10: et cetera. So it's remarkable how much his fortunes have

890
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 10: shifted just in three weeks.

891
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: Right, very true, doctor Tree de Parsi, thank you, as

892
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: always for your analysis, Very much appreciated.

893
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 7: Thanks so much for having me appreciate it. Thank you.

894
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: We have another ice killing, this one in Maine to

895
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: sadly report on this morning. This comes on the heels

896
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: of a very similar incident that unfolded in Houston last week.

897
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: Of course, this is going to be disturbing.

898
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: We do have some video here in some detail here

899
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: that are quite quite horrifying. Let's go ahead and put

900
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: the video up on the screen.

901
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 11: Now.

902
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: You can see here this white car that is sort

903
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: of slowly circling, uh, This is the car that the victim,

904
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: a twenty six year old from Columbia who appears to

905
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: have been applying for asylum war on his status in

906
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: a moment. These appeared to be the moments after he

907
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: had already been shot in the head. As we learned

908
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: with the Renee Good case, you know, if you're shot

909
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: and killed, the car does not immediately stop. That is

910
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: why it is circling here slowly so you don't actually

911
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: hear the gunfire.

912
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: In this video. This appears to be the.

913
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: Aftermath of what occurred here. From this stop. We have

914
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: another video that has been circulating as well, where after

915
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: they bring the car to a stop, they actually pull

916
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: him out of the vehicle and handcuff him, even though

917
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: he had already been shot in the head. There are

918
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: also reports that his wife and young child came quickly

919
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 2: to the scene and witnessed all of this. Just absolutely

920
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: horrifying situation. We're also getting details of both from authorities

921
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: of their claims of what unfolded here and also from eyewitnesses.

922
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: Let's put C three.

923
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: Up on the screen. This is the Ice statement, which

924
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: I think is quite noteworthy. Actually, Ice responds to the

925
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: officer involved shooting in Maine. On July thirteen, twenty twenty six,

926
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: at approximately seven am Eastern time, ICE was conducting targeted

927
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: surveillance on the last known address of an illegal alien

928
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: with a final order of removal. An illegal alien departed

929
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: the residence in a vehicle. ICE law enforcement attempted to

930
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: conduct a vehicle stop. The vehicle attempted to flee the scene,

931
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: and fearing for public safety, an officer discharged his weapon.

932
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: The reason I emphasized this is because in previous cases

933
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: they've insisted that the officer was actually in danger and

934
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Speaker 2: that was the justification for the shooting. Here they said

935
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: they feared for public safety and that they fired their

936
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: weapon because of this. Now, this is against any sort

937
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: of protocol. Also, this particular man, this twenty six year

938
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Speaker 2: old Columbian, he was not the target of the investigation.

939
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: So this is just some random guy that they were

940
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: aggressively pulling over. That is an extraordinary admission here that

941
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: the officers themselves did not claim to feel in danger. Nevertheless,

942
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: they shot him anyway. The driver of the vehicle was struck.

943
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: Emergency services were immediately contacted. He passed away from his injuries.

944
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: The Biddeford Police Department and FBI responded to the scene.

945
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: DHSOIG has been notified and like all discharge of firearms,

946
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: this will be investigated as developing situation and we will

947
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: update the public when more information is available. Let's go

948
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: back to C two. This is what a witness on

949
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: the scene claimed. Daniel Bouchet was getting ready for work

950
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: Monday morning when he heard what sounded like fireworks going

951
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: off outside of his home near downtown Biddeford. He rushed

952
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: to the window, where he saw an SUV trying to

953
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 2: ram a small white car in the intersection. Moments later,

954
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: agents investop the car and pulled the driver out. He

955
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: was bleeding profusely from the head, Bouchet said later Monday morning,

956
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: he was talking. He said, I tried to stop. Those

957
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 2: appear to have been his final words. If this account

958
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: is correct. Boucha watched in disbelief as the man's life

959
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: stop moving as he lay on the ground. He believes

960
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: he watched him die. What we know about this man

961
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: not that this really changes anything. Based on the details

962
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: of the incident. This would not be justified no matter

963
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: who this was. But what we know of him is

964
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Speaker 2: as I said before, he was not the target of

965
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Speaker 2: this operation, So this is just some random man that

966
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: they're pulling over. He was appears to have been applying

967
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: for asylum. He had a work permit, He had been

968
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: issued a Social Security number, which is typical during the

969
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: asylum process. That doesn't mean he had legal status, but

970
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: typically the way that this works is your granted a

971
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: work permitt you can work, you're paying your taxes, that's

972
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: why you get the social Security number, and then you're

973
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: waiting for your claim to be adjudicated. This of course

974
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: caused a major political uproar, major uproar in general in

975
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: the State of main huge protests. We've got a statement

976
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: from the Main Ag. We can put that up on

977
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: the screen C four, basically just indicating that there is

978
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: going to be an investigation, of thorough investigation. There have

979
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: also been already significant protests outside of Susan Collins's office

980
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: and she has put out sager a very sort of

981
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: milk toast statement here. The shooting in Biddeford requires a

982
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: full and impartial investigation of what happened. It is my

983
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: understanding that the Biddeford police have secured the site and

984
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: that the FBI is investigating. No mention of Ice here whatsoever?

985
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: You know, the.

986
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: Most Susan Collins statement you can possibly imagine. And of

987
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: course many people are pointing out she was the deciding

988
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: vote on the latest tranch of ICE seventy billion dollars

989
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 2: in Ice.

990
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: Hoel.

991
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: I tell you, I am so shocked by this because

992
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: I was telling you all behind the scenes. I was

993
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: in this town. I was in this town, and I'll

994
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: tell you it's the widest town I've ever been too.

995
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: So when I saw small proportion of immigrants.

996
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm not kidding, like they have a Walmart, grocery,

997
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: no offense, Spittiford, shout up. I liked it there, like

998
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: that's where I was charging my car. But it's literally

999
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: like we're talking about grocery store, a couple of restaurants.

1000
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: It was not a big town. So when I saw

1001
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: Ice shooting in bitter is it Bittiford? Was it? I

1002
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: was just there. This is crazy. Actually, can we put

1003
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: C three back up on the screen, the Ice statement,

1004
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: These guys are hit and we all know it. This

1005
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: is this is a disaster because if you parse this language,

1006
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: when they say ICE was conducting targeted surveillance on a

1007
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: last known address, of an illegal alien. They then say

1008
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: an illegal alien. Do you notice that not the illegal alien.

1009
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: So what they're saying is a different person departed a

1010
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: residence in a vehicle. They then continue about the attempted

1011
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: to conduct a vehicle stop, but this vehicle attempting to

1012
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: flee the scene. Fearing for public safety, it officer discharged

1013
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: this weapon. They missed. This means I was reading some

1014
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: of the initial protocol the You should keep in mind

1015
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: this statement was not issued until six forty one pm yesterday.

1016
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: The shooting took place at seven am. There was also

1017
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: a very noteworthy incident. Stephen Miller was on CNN in

1018
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: the interim between these two. Normally he is the one too.

1019
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: They deserved it. The guy fired his weapon. He said, quote,

1020
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: I have not been briefed on the shooting, which I

1021
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: think we all know that's bullshit. So there are two things.

1022
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: The fact that Miller and the White House did not

1023
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: immediately come out to try to justify it. Two that

1024
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: this Ice statement basically acknowledges two different things. That they

1025
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: were going for a final order of removal against something.

1026
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: Let's explain what that is. Final order of removal means

1027
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: a judge has found like you have no legitimate claim

1028
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: to asylum and you got to go yeah where It's

1029
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: like exactly, it's like you a final order. The legal

1030
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: system has decided like you have no you have no

1031
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: even more recourse, and it's you need to be arrested.

1032
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Right I'm not. We don't know about the details. This

1033
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: is a different person, as you said, But what they

1034
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: say that is extremely problematic for them is fearing for

1035
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: public safety. I have asked a lawyer, there is no

1036
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: statute of deadly force or fearing for public safety or

1037
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: I guess there has been a very different circumstance in terms.

1038
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: Of it would have to be like it's a murderer

1039
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: and it has a going to commit another crime right now.

1040
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: This is a random guide. We don't even know who

1041
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: it is who we're trying to pull over.

1042
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: So I think I think they're hit. I think this

1043
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: you know this is this is like the Alex Pretty

1044
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: case because and the reason why, again I talked to

1045
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: somebody who was infamiliar with the internal process, is when

1046
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: you took twelve hours, that means that the internal FBI

1047
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: review and the turnover to OIG, they made it so

1048
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: that the initial determination is like there's no way that

1049
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: you had a legitimate fear, and I guess they didn't

1050
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: even try to claim it initially. The second thing, which

1051
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: is very noteworthy in this entire thing, is it took place,

1052
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: as you said in the this could not have happened

1053
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: at a worst possible time for Susan Collins, who was

1054
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not you know, but obviously it's a major

1055
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: political issue. Yes, it's main and we're in the middle

1056
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: of the whole Platner situation. This is a disaster for

1057
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: the Republican but Susan Collins was riding high. She has

1058
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: a massive war ch hat's got like thirty million dollars

1059
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: in the bank. Obviously Republicans love a whole Democrats in

1060
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: disarray situation. A lot of the main Democrats and who

1061
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: talks to them? The Platiner people, they're all and they're

1062
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: not furious, but there they feel super dejected. And then this,

1063
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, could you have asked for a greater gift

1064
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: if you are Troy Jackson, Niarofshah or any of these people,

1065
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: every major candidate. I believe we have their statements, right,

1066
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: don't we about all of these c seven? Can we

1067
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: just to show everybody we have multiple of these potentials

1068
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: who are running to replace Graham as the Democratic nominee,

1069
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: who have all come out with Here's Dan Kleeban from

1070
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: main beer company. Ice has been out of control since

1071
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: Trump took office. We're seeing the devastating tragic consequences here

1072
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: in Maine. Is enough is enough? While we wait to

1073
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: learn what happened in Biddeford, A fatal shooting involving federal

1074
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: agents is horrifying and the last thing any maner expects

1075
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: to wake up to. He said, I in the Senate,

1076
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: I will hoote. I will vote to hold Ice accountable

1077
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: and finally provide accountability for murdering people. This shit has

1078
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: to stop. Go to the next one. This was Shanna Bellows.

1079
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: She says federal agents were involved in a fatal shooting

1080
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: in Bideford this morning. Someone is dead. I want to details,

1081
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Speaker 1: but this is the eleventh fatal shooting. It's time to

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Speaker 1: get Ice off of our streets. And then we also

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Speaker 1: have here Troy Jackson, who is the Progressive nominee who

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Speaker 1: straight up says abolish ize solidarity forever. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to that.

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Speaker 8: Hey, everyone, you know we just got the sad news.

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00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 8: That it looks like there's been yet another deadly shooting

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Speaker 8: and ICE was involved. This time was right in our

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Speaker 8: backyard in Biddeford. My heart is with the people of Biddeford,

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Speaker 8: the people of Maine. You know, they need answers. We

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Speaker 8: all need answers, and we deserve to know what happened here.

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Speaker 8: So we're going to go down to be with the

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Speaker 8: community in Bideford at Mechanics Pirk at noon. If you're

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Speaker 8: able to please join us.

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Speaker 9: What we need to know is why this escalated, whether

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Speaker 9: body cameras were warn whether those body cameras were activated,

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Speaker 9: and what led to a catastrophic outcome and what has

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Speaker 9: otherwise been described as a routine stop. What must not

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Speaker 9: be allowed to happen is that deaths of this nature,

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Speaker 9: which have become all too common in Donald Trump's America

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Speaker 9: at the hands of federal ICE agents, that those deaths

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Speaker 9: become normalized. That must not be allowed to happen. My

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00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 9: question is simple, how many more people must be fatally

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Speaker 9: shot and murdered by ICE agents before we admit that

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Speaker 9: it is time for a change.

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Speaker 1: So that was ni Av Shah, who was a former

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Speaker 1: Biden CDC director. But yeah, this is a political disaster

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Speaker 1: obviously for the Republicans who are in the state, who

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Speaker 1: were riding high. And the fact is is that ICE

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Speaker 1: immediately i mean not acknowledging what exactly what they've done,

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00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: but not offering any real defense. That's part of the

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Speaker 1: reason why most of the time in the aftermath of

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Speaker 1: these things you can see maga people be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you deserved it, you know, comply or don seeing some

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Speaker 1: of that, but you're gonna see yah. But you saw

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Speaker 1: it before the ICE statement. And then when ICE itself

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Speaker 1: comes out and is like, yeah, we didn't fear for

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Speaker 1: our life, You're like, okay, you're I mean, they're hit.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's it. I mean, there's no there

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Speaker 1: if they can't even claim in the initial justification but

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Speaker 1: they didn't fear and you shot somebody in fear of

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Speaker 1: public safety, good luck in court. I mean it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a real problem. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And a few other things that are worth noting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, is very different than how

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00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: these Ice killings were handled under Christy Nolan. They you know,

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00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: immediately came out they're domestic terrorists. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: part of some grand Antifa plot. Just inventing details, even

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Speaker 2: knowing that there was a video out there that was

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Speaker 2: going to come out that did not comport with what

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Speaker 2: they were claiming.

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Speaker 3: The facts did not matter.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to use this, as you know, in a

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Speaker 2: tempt to incite and create this portrait of like left

1135
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Speaker 2: wing out of control, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Here you have a delay.

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Speaker 2: And then an effective acknowledgment, not that we know that

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Speaker 2: they're being truthful, but I mean this is de facto

1139
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: and acknowledgment that they completely fucked up, that this was

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Speaker 2: wildly unjustified, and so that is very different. The other

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Speaker 2: thing that's worth noting is that you know, this comes,

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Speaker 2: these two shootings back to back, now come on the

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Speaker 2: heels of a push to surge the number of arrest

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Speaker 2: to two thousand a day that's been you know, this

1145
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: new quota that's been implemented that they've been pushing for.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't think it's any surprise that in

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Speaker 2: the heels of ICE getting a neutralansh of funding and

1148
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Speaker 2: then the push for this aggressive arrest quota that you

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Speaker 2: have you know, horrifying killings such as this. And then

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Speaker 2: the other thing I mentioned that there were some similarities

1151
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Speaker 2: between these two shootings, one in Houston and now this

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Speaker 2: one in Maine. First of all, both involved you know,

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00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 2: motor vehicles, and we've had other incidents as well where

1154
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Speaker 2: ICE has fired or other you know, CBP or other

1155
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Speaker 2: allied agencies have fired in.

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Speaker 3: These motor vehicle stops.

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Speaker 2: The second thing that they have in common is in

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Speaker 2: both instances, the men that they that they shot and

1159
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Speaker 2: killed were not the target of operations. So again these

1160
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: were just I see someone, they look to me like

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Speaker 2: they might be undocumented. I'm going to pull them over

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Speaker 2: in this hyper aggressive way too, which I'll come back

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Speaker 2: to in a moment. And then the third thing, and

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Speaker 2: this is really quite damning, no body cameras in either incident.

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Speaker 2: No body cameras. So the footage we have both from Houston,

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Speaker 2: which has been cobbled together from various like doorbell ring

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Speaker 2: cameras and other security cameras.

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Speaker 3: In the area.

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Speaker 2: And then this footage that we have, which again happens,

1170
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Speaker 2: you know, is from an eyewitness that happens after the

1171
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Speaker 2: shooting has already occurred. None of this is coming from

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Speaker 2: official outlets because either they didn't have body cameras at all,

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Speaker 2: which at this point, what are we doing you have

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Speaker 2: unlimited funding for this agency and you don't even have

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Speaker 2: body cameras.

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Speaker 3: Or there's also.

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Speaker 2: Some reporting that these guys will intentionally leave the body

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Speaker 2: cameras behind or turn them off because they don't want

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Speaker 2: to face that sort of accountability.

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Speaker 3: They don't want.

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Speaker 2: To have that official record of here's how this all

1182
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Speaker 2: went down. We know in a previous case in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: in the killing of Marmar that we covered that it

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Speaker 2: was the body camera footage which really proved that they

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Speaker 2: had completely invented the chain of events, that she was

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Speaker 2: thoroughly vindicated. And so they look at that and they go, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: we just won't wear them, or we just won't we

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Speaker 2: just won't turn them on, and then we don't have

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Speaker 2: to worry about that level of accountability.

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Speaker 1: I also think to the point about Iran destroying Trump's presidency,

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Speaker 1: the fact is is that they're responding from a position

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Speaker 1: of total weakness. Is that ultimately they previously felt immense

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Speaker 1: popular ground to be able to fight on the issue

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Speaker 1: of immigration. To compare the difference between then and now,

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Speaker 1: but when you see now like how muted their response

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Speaker 1: is the immediate admission of city, not culpability, but.

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Speaker 3: Of between the lines.

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Speaker 1: Again, it's effectively an admission is we went to go

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Speaker 1: capture somebody else, We went to go arrest somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Another person came out. There's no claim of like that

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: that they were ever in fear for their lives. That's

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Speaker 1: usually the statement that you read, the officer fearing for

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Speaker 1: his life. It's like, no in fear of public safety,

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01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: that is, you know, I mean again, like I imagine

1205
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Speaker 1: local PD if somebody put out a statement like that,

1206
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Speaker 1: we all know which way that that would go. This

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Speaker 1: is also coming on the heels. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw this. Renee Goods family has reported that all

1209
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Speaker 1: of the information evidence that was in possession of the

1210
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Speaker 1: FEDS was actually turned over to Ministate, SODA state authorities

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Speaker 1: as of yesterday. Also, I do think it's incredibly noteworthy

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Speaker 1: that in the statement that ICE initially note issued that

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Speaker 1: their only mission was a detention of somebody with a

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Speaker 1: final order of removal, which is something that they've been

1215
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Speaker 1: accelerating and been trying to do, which is aka the

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Speaker 1: right way. Right, It's very hard to dispute here. We

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Speaker 1: have somebody who's going through asylum. People know my feelings

1218
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Speaker 1: about asylum, but My point is like, if you have

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Speaker 1: a final removal, there's really not a lot more to discuss. Yeah,

1220
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Speaker 1: the judge has ruled like you have no right to

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Speaker 1: be here and got to go, and so then it's

1222
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: very difficult for activists and others to get all upset

1223
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Speaker 1: about it. So I think you see that they were

1224
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Speaker 1: already and kind of they are already gone back on

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Speaker 1: the way that they were using their tactics. Then when

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: the situation goes bad, they take twelve hours to issue

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Speaker 1: a statement. And then you also have it seems that

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Speaker 1: Mark Wayne Mullen, the DHS secretary, was on the phone

1229
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Speaker 1: to Susan Collins and to Angus Kinning admitting a lot

1230
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: of the problems that were there initially. So I do

1231
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: think it's a huge retrenchment from where they previously were

1232
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: on the issue of immigrant and this also again it

1233
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: highlights to the extent to which all of this together

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01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: leads to. I mean, you know, in Maine, obviously it's

1235
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Speaker 1: a tiny little state. I was just there literally the

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Speaker 1: you know Rocanna was talking about feeling is race. I'm

1237
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: not saying I discriminated again, obviously it was not, but

1238
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Speaker 1: you feel it when you're in the grod. When you're

1239
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Speaker 1: walking around a grocery store in Beddeford, You're like, man,

1240
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Speaker 1: there any anybody else?

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I'm from Texas, where forty percent of the

1243
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Speaker 1: people are not white, so it's it's it's a weird situation.

1244
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Speaker 1: So yeah, to see an ice situated like happen this

1245
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: in Maine, I'm like, oh, man, I can only imagine

1246
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: how this will activate the local population. Yea there, because

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Speaker 1: I mean there were not a ton of political signs

1248
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: up in Maine that I tended to notice, but it

1249
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: is a unique place with a real identity of kind

1250
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: of like leave us alone. You know, we live in

1251
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: this gorgeous homeland and all this is like don't come

1252
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: and bottom wants come to live in New Hampshire, live

1253
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: free or die, almost type five. So to have something

1254
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: like this, I think it's going to be a huge,

1255
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: huge problem. Yeah, on the heels of Platinum dry.

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Speaker 2: Well because it also it also just reminds of why

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01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: Susan Collins for all of her you know, her main

1258
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: niceness and the way that she knows so many people

1259
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Speaker 2: in the state personally, which is what has really been

1260
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: her political teflon is.

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Speaker 3: When it comes down to it.

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Speaker 2: She provides these key votes for Trump on things like

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Speaker 2: ice funding that the majority of mayners, which is generally

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Speaker 2: a blue state, the majority of maynors overwhelmingly opposed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is a state that did not vote for Trump,

1266
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Speaker 2: and it was not particularly close. So when you have

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Speaker 2: a reminder of hey, this is the these are the

1268
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Speaker 2: sorts of things. This lady, who may seem kind of

1269
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Speaker 2: nice and you may have met her before, this is

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Speaker 2: what she's enabling. Yeah, it's you know, it's it's dire politically,

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Speaker 2: and you know, not that that's the most important thing,

1272
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Speaker 2: but that is an obvious outcome.

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Speaker 1: Right, But the tian just can't be ignored. And then

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Speaker 1: that's kind of what I meant, is that the problem

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Speaker 1: for the.

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Speaker 2: Because he sticks up on the screenwall Soccer's pocket just

1277
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Speaker 2: so you can see the protests that we're talking about

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Speaker 2: here outside of Collins office.

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Speaker 7: There you go.

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Speaker 1: So this is I think these were actually at Bitddeford

1281
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Speaker 1: at her local Senate office. The reason why I'm bringing

1282
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: this up is because the base, the greatest fear of

1283
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: the Trump administration is not losing the House. They know

1284
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: that's going to happen, but if they lose the House

1285
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Speaker 1: and the Senate, and they really were riding high this

1286
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: week after Platnir dropped out. Is they know not only

1287
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: is impeachment on the table, but that they will never

1288
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: pass a budget period whenever it comes to anything right

1289
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: in tern like war ice, anything that they possibly want

1290
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Speaker 1: to do. So to have an incident like this and

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Speaker 1: so invigorating for the Democrats in Maine at this exact

1292
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Speaker 1: critical moment. It will be used not only to get

1293
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Speaker 1: the nomination, but it will also be boosted for a

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Speaker 1: Maine Democratic Party till up until November and we already

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Speaker 1: still have high gas prices. You also mentioned the incident

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Speaker 1: in Houston where guess what, we just had Ken Paxton

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Speaker 1: get the nomination, who himself is a devunt i say,

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Speaker 1: divisive controversial figure. Well apparently it was in the UK

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Speaker 1: on July fourth. What's up with that? And some Texan

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Speaker 1: in London spotted him in the middle of London on

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Speaker 1: July fourth. What's going on here? Ken?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: James Tallarico also I just saw yesterday had put out

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Speaker 1: some new border plan. It's very you know, it's classic.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're going to hire more classic like lib

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Speaker 1: immigration stuff. But my point is that sounds okay to

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Democrats currently in Texas, in the

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Speaker 1: middle of what just happened in Houston and without you know,

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Speaker 1: John Cornyn and the respectability and all. This is not

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Speaker 1: a justification. I'm just saying that. Politically same in Texas,

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Speaker 1: that's the true nightmare scenario if things were to go

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Speaker 1: that way. I still don't think they will. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I don't think he's gonna win, but things like this,

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Speaker 1: he has raised tens of millions of dollars. And this

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Speaker 1: also means that the new main candidate, whoever it is,

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Speaker 1: Troy Jackson, who be it, they themselves also will be

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Speaker 1: massively like a massive investment, not just from the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Senatorial Committee, but from grassroots activists and others. So these

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Speaker 1: two things, it's it's a huge problem because a lot,

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Speaker 1: a lot of it had faded up until now. I

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Speaker 1: Ron had been the yeah, yes, it's bad.

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Speaker 2: They also, you know, I think you're right about Iran

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Speaker 2: killing his presidency. We've talked about that before, but also

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Speaker 2: post Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean that's really true.

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Speaker 2: That really was a turning point significantly. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: when you saw his numbers, which he'd kind of held

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Speaker 2: on on immigration, they were like roughly fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: It's still his best app Yeah, but now he's underwater

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Speaker 2: and everything including that.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe on if you said just border security,

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Speaker 2: he might still be above water. But on the issue

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Speaker 2: of immigration, that's where you really saw a public change

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Speaker 2: in the way that they were seeing this, because it

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Speaker 2: was unfolding before their eyes in a way that they

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Speaker 2: found to be thoroughly unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: And you know, this man in Houston.

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Speaker 2: Who was here, he was who was killed by ice,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, in a similar situation. You know, I

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Speaker 2: don't think the vast majority of Americans, when they were

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Speaker 2: moving in a more hardline immigration direction, even that. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think they thought, like we should prioritize this

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Speaker 2: guy who's been here for thirty six years, who has

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Speaker 2: American citizen kids, who's been you know, a no criminal record,

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Speaker 2: upstanding citizen, et cetera. But even if it was someone

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Speaker 2: who was a recent arrival and who the public might

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Speaker 2: be more comfortable with deportation, they certainly aren't comfortable with,

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Speaker 2: you know, shooting him dead in his in his vehicle.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I've just been thinking about, like if

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, a normal person driving my car and

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Speaker 2: I have these unmarked cars aggressively, you know, pull up

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Speaker 2: in front of you and chasing you and trying I

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Speaker 2: don't know that I would be thinking like, oh, it's immigration,

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Speaker 2: I need to pull over. I might be thinking like, what,

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Speaker 2: you know, this person's trying to rob me. They're trying

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Speaker 2: to crash my car. I don't you know. And so

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Speaker 2: that's another dynamic here. We shouldn't be surprised when some

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Speaker 2: of the people who are being targeted, who are again

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Speaker 2: not like there's not a warn now, they're not a target.

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Speaker 2: They're just random people like going about their lives that

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Speaker 2: they don't react in the precise ideal manner because because

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Speaker 2: the approach to them is so aggressive and out of

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Speaker 2: the norms of what they've ever experienced before.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know how I would handle that.

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Speaker 1: Either, I get it, and I have to be honest,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've had to sit and really think about

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Speaker 1: all this a lot because I believe in very hardline

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Speaker 1: immigration enforcement. I do, and you know, it drives me

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Speaker 1: crazy when people talk about, oh, twenty six year old

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Speaker 1: Biteford man, I'm like, no, he's from Columbia, and he

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Speaker 1: was applying for a asylum like, you're not from Biddeford,

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Speaker 1: actually you move there and you're claiming asylum. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, in my opinion, ninety nine point five percent

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Speaker 1: of asylum claims are bullshit. Now at the same time,

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Speaker 1: and this gets to the ultimate tension. I think for

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Speaker 1: a lot of my politics is a protection of American liberty,

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Speaker 1: but also order, an order lee society, and I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm part of the reason why I was so upset

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Speaker 1: about the Biden situation was it was disorderly, not just

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Speaker 1: at the border. There is chaos when tens of millions

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Speaker 1: of people are running around your country illegally. It's insanity.

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Speaker 1: And not to even mention this social chaos of like

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Speaker 1: people who don't speak English and all that. And I've

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Speaker 1: gotten into all of this like over and over again.

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Speaker 1: The Federal Reserve report which recently came out talking about

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Speaker 1: immigration's effect on housing not the number one issue, but

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Speaker 1: it was certainly was in terms of supply and demand.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, you know, the way these guys

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Speaker 1: act is absolutely insane, and that's part of the problem

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Speaker 1: that we've seen. There are a lot of social ills

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Speaker 1: as well. Whenever it comes to the way I mean

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Speaker 1: in terms of the media coverage. And remember even the

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Speaker 1: whole Alex Peretti situation, I said it was a disaster,

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Speaker 1: not disaster, was a completely undusified They executed him in

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Speaker 1: the street undustly. He also was like a genuine violent

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Speaker 1: left wing activist, like it was on camera of him

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Speaker 1: kicking and destroying property. That part I will never be

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Speaker 1: and find acceptable. So it is an ultimate tension. I

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Speaker 1: do think a lot of people who share my politics

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Speaker 1: and feelings on this situation. Whenever it comes to Trump,

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Speaker 1: there's just no longer a benefit of the doubt right

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Speaker 1: whenever it comes to Ice and to the administration. Because

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Speaker 1: in early days we could say look, not only we

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Speaker 1: like literally we voted for this, like the sign said

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Speaker 1: mass deportation. We've also know that many of these activists

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Speaker 1: and others will lie flagrantly about the way that things

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Speaker 1: go down. They'll never you know, they'll find a guy

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Speaker 1: who's a murdered rapist and still say, oh, he was

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Speaker 1: an angel or whatever and never should have gone anywhere.

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Speaker 1: But now after you know, Houston and Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Seacott,

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Speaker 1: that was my personal breaking point. You're like guys like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't take any of this shit to

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Speaker 1: the bank. So then, now where do we go from here?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean my greatest fear is I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna swing completely in the other direction, like

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Speaker 1: literal anarchy. And you're like, okay, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: abolish ice, fine, but you know, somebody's got arrest the

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Speaker 1: criminal who's supposed to be here illegally. How's that going

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Speaker 1: to work? Is there going to be a political constituency

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Speaker 1: for that? Are we just going to allow people across

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Speaker 1: the border? Are we just going to give everybody's citizenship,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to give a shit if anybody speaks

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Speaker 1: English anymore. That seems to be the way that things

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Speaker 1: are trending. And I do think, you know, that's a look,

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Speaker 1: that's a Democratic party problem. They got to figure all

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Speaker 1: of that out. But I don't know. It has really

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Speaker 1: made me reassess though, because like Flock, for example, I

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Speaker 1: think fifteen years ago I would have supported flock cameras.

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Speaker 1: I really do, because yeah, I mean even today, I

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Speaker 1: passed two fent heads on the way here. It drives

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Speaker 1: me crazy when you walk my kid around and there's

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Speaker 1: a guy taking a shit in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: street literally fills me with rage. I'm like, why do

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Speaker 1: I pay property tax and income tax? And this is

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Speaker 1: the nonsense that I have around here. But I also

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Speaker 1: know with the resumpt of this surveillance state and others,

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Speaker 1: it's like, how do we have the balance where we

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Speaker 1: have a private company and shot what is it called

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Speaker 1: shot spotter or whatever? Again ten years ago would have

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Speaker 1: been like, yeah, that's good, But I also know that

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Speaker 1: we're all literally under mass AI surveillance. Yeah, and under

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Speaker 1: oligarical capitalism where these private companies have it's not even

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Speaker 1: the state necessarily with any democratic input. I know this

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Speaker 1: is all very long winded, but this I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, this is how we are and

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Speaker 1: have to talk in the future because we all got

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Speaker 1: to live together.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time to explain the way

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Speaker 2: your thinking has evolved over the course of the administration.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is the case or

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Speaker 2: this is just me projecting my own cares and concerns

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Speaker 2: about the country onto other people. But you mention the

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Speaker 2: way that you're you know, you're thinking on this AI

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Speaker 2: German surveillance is different from how it might have been

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Speaker 2: in a previous time. And I also think that the

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Speaker 2: rise of AI and the clear demonstration of the power

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Speaker 2: of these tech oligarchs, I think it also diminishes the

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Speaker 2: the the I guess animated impact of immigration, the sense

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Speaker 2: that this is like the top issue, because when you

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Speaker 2: look at these tech oligarchs, they're out there saying like,

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Speaker 2: we literally want to replace all of human labor. That

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Speaker 2: takes some of the staying out of like Jose is

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Speaker 2: going to take your job in the kitchen. You know,

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, we could debate that whether that's true

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Speaker 2: or not, but we know for sure these guys are

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Speaker 2: like out and out telling us and they have way

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Speaker 2: more power than Jose in the kitchen does. So I

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Speaker 2: think that that also shifts the landscape. I've also said

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Speaker 2: that I think that the Epstein files and the way

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Speaker 2: that that created sort of a weird class consciousness also

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Speaker 2: changes things. But the aipiece in general, when you have

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Speaker 2: the richest and most powerful people, not just in the country,

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Speaker 2: in the world who are like, our mission in life

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Speaker 2: is to make it so you don't have a job,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to buy up all the assets so

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Speaker 2: you have to run from US and you have no choice.

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Speaker 2: Then it's sort of like, Okay, well, you know, I

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Speaker 2: immigration is no longer my top issue. Dealing with these

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Speaker 2: people seems like the number one priority for now. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that changes the landscape of the

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Speaker 2: sense around this either.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know to class consciousness point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to have class consciousness if

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Speaker 1: we don't all speak the same language. And I know

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Speaker 1: people get uncomfortable about this, but it's true, like if

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Speaker 1: you don't speak English in my I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: you've said before there should be English language requirement for citizenship,

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Speaker 1: Like I just see how I do not see how

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Speaker 1: we can all live together. I wouldn't don't speak the

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Speaker 1: same lefe if.

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Speaker 2: It was me designing it, I wouldn't require it. But

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Speaker 2: it would be a compromise I'm willing to make, is

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Speaker 2: what I would say.

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Speaker 1: But like talk to each other.

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Speaker 3: You know, But here's what I would say.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know what we've seen over the past,

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Speaker 2: and I you know, I'm not looking to get in

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Speaker 2: enough yet another immigration by with you here, because I

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Speaker 2: am just interested in hearing the way you're thinking is evolved.

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Speaker 2: But what we've seen over the course of the past

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Speaker 2: number of decades is that actually the assimilation process happens

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Speaker 2: more rapidly than it did in previous generations. You have

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Speaker 2: fewer of these ethnic enclaves where people just live in

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01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,919
Speaker 2: their own world and they never learn the language, et cetera. Usually,

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01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, the parents are immigrants, they may not learn

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Speaker 2: the language fully. The kids are American and basically assimilate

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Speaker 2: completely to American culture, for better or worse, by the way,

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01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 2: which you know, sometimes American culture loses something from the

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01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: original immigrant tradition.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you don't want it, then don't come here.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is this is who we are. Yeah again,

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Speaker 1: I don't. It doesn't need to get into a whole debate.

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Speaker 1: The problem I have is that when we have vast

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01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: enclaves and then no expectation around English, then you end

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: up in Miami people who are literally born and raised Myami.

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01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: They don't speak English when you land in Miami, and yeah, look,

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01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: maybe this is just me. I feel like I should

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: drive everybody crazy. And you call an uber and the

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: guys like, I've lived here for forty years and I

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01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: don't speak a lick of English. You're like, this is insane.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that going to be all of America?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 1: I don't want it to be that way. I used to.

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01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: I thought most of us agreed it shouldn't be that way,

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Speaker 1: Like there should be some expectation of citizenship and of

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01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 1: common like understanding that usually is how the citizenship process

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01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: has been for all time. I don't think it's going

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01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: to be like that in the next administration if it's

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Speaker 1: a democratic administration, and I mean, honestly, that scares the

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: shit out of me. But that's the question ultimately of

1533
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: in the future, we are going to have to come

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Speaker 1: to some sort of understanding of what public order of citizenship,

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: of what public order citizenship and immigration itself as an

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01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: understanding of what it means to be American. That will

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: be the biggest fight ever I think actually in politics,

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: and the fact that I will always be enraged to

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01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: the Trump administration for doing this is for handling not

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: just on war, because I mean, war was the ultimate

1541
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: betrayal in my opinion, but here in this one particular

1542
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: one which is under discussed is just like the George W.

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01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: Bush administration by invading a rocket destroying its entire cause,

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01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: like there are genuine people out there who had supported

1545
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: the Bush administration and the other things that have freely

1546
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: admitted that the war in Iraq killed any of their

1547
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: ability to make a case for many of the other

1548
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: things that w had run on. I feel like that's

1549
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: now the case with immigrat. It's been so disaster, like

1550
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: people are basically going to say, well, we tried it

1551
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,839
Speaker 1: your way, the hard line way, and this is what happened,

1552
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: so we have to go in another direction. And I

1553
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: don't think it needed to be like this at all.

1554
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: In fact, I know it didn't need to be like this.

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01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: I've spoken with some people in the Admin, and by

1556
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: doing this, they have created a situation where I actually think,

1557
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, crazily enough, the worst case scenarios that they

1558
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: would always say that they're like the Left is going

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01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: to do in twenty twenty three. I'm like, you made

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01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: that a reality, dude, Like you actually made it so

1561
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 1: that that is now probably what is going to happen.

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's come back from it,

1563
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: to be honest, after seeing things like this, because I

1564
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: don't blame people who are like, hey, we voted and

1565
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: then we listened to the way you said, and people

1566
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: started getting shot, and it was it all became totally nuts.

1567
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: And you know, the current right wing response to a

1568
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: lot of people who are like myself is you're a pussy.

1569
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: You know, this is what it takes. And I'm like, well, actually,

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: I don't really think. So there's a lot of different

1571
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: ways that you could have gone about this, which I've

1572
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: outlined here many times here on the show. And they're like, oh,

1573
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: that would have been you know, oh that's you know,

1574
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: cuck behavior or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, well, congratually by handing the reins

1576
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: over to Stephen Miller really gave a lot of credence

1577
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: to liberal argument that this is like, you know, white

1578
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: nationalists to its core when the only asylum seekers that

1579
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: you're admitting are white South Africans. And even Trump is

1580
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 2: like Steven Miller would want the entire country to look

1581
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: like him effectively, but you know.

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Speaker 1: That even as a Jew. So it's like it's complicated

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01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to Steven. I actually think it's a

1584
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,839
Speaker 1: little too reductive. What I would say the bigger problem

1585
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: with the administration on immigration is is they went for

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01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: all out enforcement without actually doing without without in the

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01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: most convenient for the way for them possible. What I

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: mean by that is super easy to go and arrest people.

1589
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: You know, it's not easy is to is to either

1590
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: indict and or audit Marriott Hotels and say why are

1591
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: you guys employing all of these illegals all their big donors, or.

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Speaker 2: To build up the government apparatus mechanisms that would be

1593
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: required to for example, handle asylum in like a reasonable

1594
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: time frame where it's not just you know, we're going

1595
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: to go, let's just go round people up at the

1596
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: Lowser home depot.

1597
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 1: The other the mandatory verify guess what that would destroy

1598
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: multiple fortune five hundred companies. I still support it.

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Speaker 2: I don't care, but you know, and you know who

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01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 2: would oppose that Trump No, I know that Immer Labor. Yeah,

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01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: And just to one Lingering thought that to go back

1602
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 2: to your Texas point, you know, there is an assumption,

1603
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: was an assumption in Texas that Republicans would hang on

1604
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: to something approaching the Trump margins with Latinos in Texas.

1605
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 2: That's what the jerrymander was based on. And there was

1606
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 2: just this poll of Hispanic business owners in Texas who

1607
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: now favor Talla Rico and part of what they're saying

1608
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,839
Speaker 2: is basically like, yeah, the immigration stuff is a problem

1609
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 2: for me as as a business owner, but also, you know,

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 2: in sort of like cultural solidarity. So in any case,

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, very too tragic, unnecessary and criminal killings of

1612
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: immigrants here once again, and very much potential political backlash.

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01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: I think unfolding in states that are crucial for the

1614
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: Republicans cimat.

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Speaker 1: It will be a big, big problem. I actually think

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01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: this could be. I'm not going to call it on

1617
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: Susan Collins because she's always been wiye and able to

1618
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: but I don't see a path, you know, if they not, I.

1619
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 2: Feel the same way. I think things are two partisan.

1620
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 3: Kyle and I disagree on this.

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01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 2: He's he's concerned that, you know, with Platiner being pulled

1623
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: in the messiness, et cetera. But I just think she

1624
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: was able to hang on for a long time based

1625
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 2: on just person only knowing people in the state. I

1626
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: just think partisan like hardening has gotten to the point

1627
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: now where that is not going to be sufficient, and

1628
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 2: almost no matter who they nominate.

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01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: That works if you're a governor. It doesn't work when

1630
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: you're in the US Senate and you've got to take

1631
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: national votes, like, that's the problem is because everything is

1632
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: national now, this whole Oh but I got a bridge

1633
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: built in Augusta. People are like, listen, I don't give

1634
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: a shuit.

1635
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how many more Trump insanities is she going

1636
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 2: to have to? Like, I'm concerned her way through were

1637
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 2: probably going to get another one on Thursday when he

1638
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 2: does whatever he's going to do with the election. Shit

1639
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: and New War, I mean all this stuff. So and

1640
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: she's going to have to answer for all of that

1641
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: throughout the campaign.

1642
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 3: It's going to be very

1643
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 2: Difficult for her to She supports the wars, Yeah, I

1644
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 2: guess that one's not a problem for