1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by Draft Kings. I'm Ryan 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: mi Ink here with Garrett Downing. And today is one 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: of the biggest days on the NFL calendar, really, first 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: day of school. 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: One of the biggest. 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exciting, but man, you really sell out it 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 3: the biggest day on the NFL. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: Counset, said one of I didn't say the biggest. 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: One of one of. 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: The dozen, the many, the dozens and dozens of das. 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's lots of big days. 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: There's lots of big and this is one of them, 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: is it not. 14 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: It's exciting, you know, it is exciting. There's there's a 15 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: different energy in the building when players are here. Yes, 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: and uh, today was the first day of voluntary off 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: season workouts, so players are back in the building. There's energy, 18 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: there's excitement. It's just kind of funny like when you 19 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: look at it this week, it's like it's the second 20 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: most exciting thing of the week because you have the 21 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: NFL drafting. 22 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: Don't let them draft overshadow our podcast today. Okay, we're 23 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: talking about the start of the voluntary off season. 24 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Conditioning per it's the first day of school. 25 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's fun, it's fun. It's fun to have 26 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: everybody here. And like I always tell people, like you 27 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: can just feel a different. It just feels different in 28 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: the building when players are here. Yep, And that was 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: the case today. 30 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: Extended lunch hours, more food options. 31 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Even cafeteria feels different. 32 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 2: The cafeteria feels different. 33 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is the start of the work 34 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: and it's it's voluntary, but the Ravens have a lot 35 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: of players that show up for this and you know, 36 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of you turn the page to a degree, 37 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, free agency and all those things. Of course, 38 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: you're making preparations for the next season, but once you 39 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: get those players returning, it kind of feels like all right, 40 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, here we go and it's time to the 41 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: painful memories that thirty one NFL teams have from last 42 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: season kind of get washed away and it's a clean 43 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: slate and you start building up to what you want 44 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: to become and that starts with hard work and the 45 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: players are putting in that work starting to die. 46 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: Well. 47 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: The thing is like the season whenever season ends for 48 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: the most part, especial when your team like the Ravens 49 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: that are competing or in the playoffs every year, like 50 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: when the season ends, it's very sudden, and so it's 51 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: just you're building. You're building your building, and then boom 52 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: is over and then everybody's gone, like twenty four hours later. 53 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: And so what today is and what these off season 54 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: workouts are, it's like the first time that everybody's back 55 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: together again. And like at the end of the season, 56 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: I think some of these guys leave talent and don't 57 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: even really get a chance to say goodbye to their 58 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: teammates because it just happens so quickly. And so now 59 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: they're all back together. And when we had a chance 60 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: to talk with some of the guys today, you talk 61 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: to Rokwan Smith and the conversation of like, what are 62 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: you looking to get out of this time, he seemed 63 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: to point more towards like chemistry and relationships and like 64 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: those things rather than like get in the weight room 65 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: and build, which is important. 66 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: Wellquan's later in the later. 67 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: He's in a different phase than you guy. 68 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: He's a season vet, and so like he knows what 69 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: he wants to do and needs to do to get 70 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: his body in shape and ready. I think it's more 71 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: important from the physical standpoint for some of these younger players. 72 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, especially year one to year two guys. I mean, 73 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: I look at Nate Wiggins, I look at a Disa, 74 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: Isaac TJ Tampa, the guys you miss a lot of 75 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: time as rookies due to injuries. Roger Rosengarden Andrew Wore, 76 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: he's like young the younger players, especially if they've missed 77 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: time or if they have specific benchmarks that they want 78 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: to hit from a physical standpoint, like for Nate Wiggins, 79 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: you know, he wants to continue to mature and put 80 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: on more of that that football mass, you know, and 81 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: continue the work that he put in over the course 82 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: last season. And so I think it's for those young 83 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: players who have specific more refined goals of like I 84 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: have an off season to do list physically, it's more 85 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: important from that standpoint. From Roquan, it's like and Marlon Humphrey, 86 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, and we see some of these other vet 87 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 1: longtime vets here, it's like, all right, hey, let's let's 88 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: start like getting on the same page. And it's just 89 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: all the chemistry, the team chemistry things like that's more 90 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: important part for them. 91 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and the and that's like that leadership of 92 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: the page process and these these workouts are voluntary, and 93 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: so I think a lot has always made when you 94 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: look around teams of of who's here and who's not 95 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: for players at every team across the league. But I 96 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 3: think you have guys like you have guys like Rokwan 97 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: Smith and Kyle Hamilton and Tyler Linnibaum who are here 98 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: and and they want to they want to work on 99 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: that chemistry, They want to they want to be present here, 100 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: and I think that like there's value there, and like 101 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: there's plenty of players that choose to work out on 102 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: their own too, especially veteran players who know how to 103 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: get themselves ready. And I think it depends player to player, 104 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: but I do think that that chemistry and that leadership, 105 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: that sort of thing is important. When you talk about 106 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: like turning the page from the end of last year 107 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: to the upcoming season. 108 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we heard some about that feeling of of, 109 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, last year's finish and how much that motivates 110 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: them going into this year. And Roquan said, you don't 111 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: really feel that until you start playing against other players, 112 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: and then when you get to unleash, then it's like, 113 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: all right, now, it feels like that's behind us and 114 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: we're onto a new year. The motivation from the loss 115 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: in Buffalo will resonate throughout OTA's training camp and those 116 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: dog days when you're pushing through it, like you're kind 117 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: of thinking about, like, all right, we want to get 118 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: over that hump. Yeah, right, that's going to motivate him. 119 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: Then it's going to be a theme. That'll be a theme, 120 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: not just in the off season. It'll be a theme 121 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: during the season. 122 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: For sure, But once you start playing games, the NFL 123 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: is just so fast, it's like you are just locked 124 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: in on that next opponent and all that stuff like 125 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: the last season kind of goes away. But that that's 126 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: going to push him in the weight room and all 127 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: this stuff all off season. 128 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: And we heard some of that. 129 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,559 Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle Hamilton said he got back to work 130 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: and started lifting weights and training earlier this year than 131 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: he ever has. And each year it's gotten a little 132 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: bit earlier, just as he's matured as a player in 133 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: person and whatnot. But you know, he only took two 134 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: to three weeks off, he said, to kind of relax 135 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: and just totally unplug. And so you do you do 136 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: get a sense of that burning fire talking to some 137 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: of these Ravens leaders. 138 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 3: I also will say, there's I think that's kind of 139 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: common this year and talking to some of these players 140 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: that point of like that burning fire that desire. Tyler 141 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: linnar Bomb is an example. He chose to just stay 142 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: here during the off season, and which is a lot 143 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: of guys go back to their hometowns, or they go 144 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: to LA or Miami or someone nice weather and and well. 145 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: When you're from Iowa, it's all right, I'll stay there. 146 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 3: I'm not going I'm not going back to cold. 147 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: Love, Iowa. Yeah, beautiful place, heartland. 148 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: But but like he but Tyler Linnerbaum is an example 149 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: of a guy that chose to stay here and just 150 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 3: keep working. And he's like, hey, it's nice to have 151 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: some other faces around here. Like he's he's been here 152 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: with us the last couple of months. 153 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: He's also an offensive lineman, right. I feel like the 154 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: offensive lineman pride themselves on being the hardest working group 155 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and that that's it's almost part 156 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: of their DNA, and certainly as part of Tyler's DNA. 157 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part of who he is. But I think that, 158 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: like you have seen hearing that from Kyle and Rokwan 159 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: and then seeing Tyler, these are all three leaders of 160 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: this team absolutely like hearing that from them and seeing 161 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: it from them in action speaks to their desire to 162 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: just get back and work and start building for this 163 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: upcoming season. 164 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 165 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: They also made a statement Tyler and Obauma and Kyle 166 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: Hamilton about their devotion to football and getting better and 167 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: all that when the topic of their contract extensions was 168 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: brought up, and both players are now eligible for the 169 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: first time heading into year four for a contract extension. 170 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: The Ravens also have until May second to exercise the 171 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: fifth year option on both of those players or one 172 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: of them, or whatever they choose to do. And so 173 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of chatter of this offseason about 174 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: whether the Ravens would get a long term deal done 175 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: with those two guys, and certainly two players you want 176 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: to keep around here for a long, long time time. 177 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: And both players pretty much echoed each other and saying, 178 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, i want to get a deal done 179 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: at some point, but I'm in no rush, and I'm 180 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: focused on football and football only all that stuff. My 181 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: agent can handle all that stuff, but I'm focused on football. 182 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: Neither of them like put any sort of rushed timeline 183 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: on it and just I'm in no rush exactly, and 184 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: just so fans and listeners have an understanding of it, 185 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: this is the first year that they're eligible to go 186 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: through the contract negotiation. They could not have gotten one 187 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: last year, so this is the first time they're eligible. 188 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: But of course they're signed through this season. The team 189 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 3: has the decision to make on the fifth year option. 190 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: They also have the franchise tag after that if you 191 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: want to get to that point. So it's not like 192 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: time is necessarily of the essence. However, as we've seen, 193 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: the longer you wait, the more expensive it gets, and 194 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: so there can be a benefit to getting a deal 195 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: done early. Getting it done after year three would be 196 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 3: really If you look around the league, that doesn't happen 197 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: very often. Most of the time, teams wait until after 198 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 3: the fourth year. That's generally the way that it's gone, 199 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: sometimes even after the fifth year, and so getting it 200 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: done after year three would be really early. But it 201 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: does happen. And but neither of them said anything close, 202 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: so I need to have a deal done before the 203 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: upcoming season or anything like that. They are they're letting 204 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: their agent take care of that, and they're seemingly in 205 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: no rush to try to push the issue on that. 206 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: Well, So the fifth year option for both players, Tyler 207 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: Linderbaum his would be twenty three point four million dollars 208 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: and then for Kyle Hamilton eighteen point six million dollars. 209 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: So you look at that, and both of those are 210 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: higher because both players went to two Pro Bowls, so 211 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: it makes it more costly. I mean, Lennerbaum's number certainly 212 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: jumps out as you was saying, Wow, that's a that's 213 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: a big number. 214 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: Why is it higher than Hamilton. 215 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: It's just offensive linemens, So like left tackles are included 216 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: in the and whatnot, Like left tackles get paid. 217 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: It's all offensive linement. They don't break it up by 218 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: center guard. It's all offensive linman exactly. 219 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: And so if one of those two players were to 220 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: get I think that there's a higher likelihood that Linerbaum 221 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: could get a deal an extension done before Kyle Hamilton 222 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: because Kyle Hamilton's and that's not a no by no 223 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: means an indication of like the desire to keep one. 224 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: The desires fixed very high for both, right, I don't 225 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: think that would be. It wouldn't be because of that 226 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: because they want Tyler Moore or whatever. 227 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: I think that's more important. 228 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: It's because of the economics here, you know, And and 229 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense to get 230 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: a deal done with Tyler more than doing one this 231 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: offseason with Kyle Hamilton. And you'd say that it's not 232 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: common for players to get extensions after the third year. Well, 233 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: Cam Jurgen's the Philadelphia Eagles center, just got one done. 234 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: He was in the same draft class as as Tyler Lindenbaum. Yeah, 235 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: and Cam Jurgen Whens. Jurgens was a second round pick 236 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: and you know, literally just today got this deal done. 237 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: It's a four year, sixty four million dollar reported con 238 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, four year sixty eight million dollar reported contract. 239 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: So you're looking at seventeen million dollars, which makes him 240 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: the high second highest paid center in terms of yearly 241 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: average behind the Chiefs Creed Humphrey. So when you're looking 242 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: at seventeen million dollars on average a year, and then 243 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: you're looking at this number for three at twenty. 244 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: Three right for the fifth year option exactly. 245 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: So, tyleran Baum said today that he was made aware 246 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: of the Cam Jurgens contract. You know, he knows about it, 247 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: knows it happened and sometimes you know, even like we 248 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: saw with when Lamar got his contract extension, right, Jalen 249 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: Hurts got his right before, and that helped kind of 250 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: set the framework for Lamars, which he then he ended 251 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: up upping Jalen Hurts's number, you know, topping that number 252 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: just afterwards. So it's like, some times these things can 253 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: be really very helpful. I expect that eventually Tyler Linderblom's 254 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: gonna probably land right in that range as one of 255 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: the top centers in the league. And hey, Eric Decast 256 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: has had draft surprises for us before. Could this be 257 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: another one? It wouldn't shock me now. Tyler Linbaum said, no, 258 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: real conversation. 259 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. Neither of them, unless they were 260 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: playing coy, neither both of them said like, yeah, those 261 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: conversations haven't really started yet. Those guys are busy upstairs. 262 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 3: They got the draft this week. We know that's what 263 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: they're working on. But you know, as maybe Tyler walked 264 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: upstairs right for that press conference. 265 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: Well, and also, just because you declare that you are 266 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: gonna you've exercised the fifth year option, you don't pay 267 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: that immediately, right, You can get an extension done before 268 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: you actually start on that fifth year option, right, so 269 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: there's time, there's plenty of time. 270 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: We're probably not gonna get any announcement on the fifth 271 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: year option. Eric basically said that as much last week 272 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: during his press conference. He'll he'll make that announcement what 273 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: ten minutes before he's required to is what it sounded like, 274 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 3: and that that makes sense. There's no real rush to 275 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: make any sort of announcement. We're talking about the twenty 276 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 3: twenty seven season before that's where that contract would be, 277 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: so there's not like they have to make any sort 278 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: of rushed announcement on that. And even if the Ravens, like. 279 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: Even if there's a deadline to exercise, there's. 280 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: A deadline to exercise it, and you have to make 281 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 3: that decision that soon, but you don't have to make 282 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: any announcement prior to right when you make that decision 283 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: to exercise it. And even if the Ravens, like, even 284 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: if they said, you know what, let's not pick up 285 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: the fifth year option for Linderbaumb they could still work 286 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: towards that deal or absolutely or or they could pick 287 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: up that option and also work towards that deal. Like 288 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: it's the exercising the fifth year option just guarantees that 289 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 3: he's in place for another year, that both those guys 290 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: would be in place for another year. But the more 291 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: likely scenario is probably that they work towards an extension 292 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: rather than ever playing on whatever the number is for 293 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: both of those guys. 294 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I would. I would agree, I would. 295 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: I would anticipate that probably an extension is going to 296 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: get them for both those guys. 297 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: When it happens that, you don't know. 298 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 3: That remains to be and it wouldn't shock me if 299 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: it takes until after the season. But also I think 300 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's a lot of merit to 301 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: what you just laid out with the Jurgen's deal getting 302 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: done and the linderbomb figures. So maybe it happens prior 303 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: to the season or even in the middle of the season. 304 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: That possibility exists. 305 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: When Kyle Hamilton said, you know, he'd like to get 306 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: a deal done. Ideally, he doesn't like that stuff kind 307 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: of hanging over him during a season. He wants it 308 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: just kind of taken care of and focus on football. 309 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: I think he'd be focused on football either way, but 310 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: that would be his preference. But like I liked what 311 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I heard from both guys on this subject. You know, hey, 312 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna worry about it. It reminded me of 313 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Nom Dee matabk That was the same sentiment he had 314 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: throughout his contract year and everybody was talking about it 315 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and he was like, I'm just 316 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: gonna let that take care of itself. That's what I 317 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: have an agent for, and I'm going to focus on football. 318 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: And then he got paid, and I expect these two 319 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: guys are both gonna get paid. 320 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's They're definitely gonna get paid. It's 321 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: just a matter of time and a matter of what 322 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: that deal looks like. The other interesting thing on Kyle 323 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: before we talk kind of broadly about some of the 324 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: things happening during these workouts, he was asked about the 325 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: position that he You know, of course he's a safety, 326 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: but what does he want to play like? Is it deep? Safety? 327 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: Is at the Swiss rby knife where he's at the 328 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Of course, the draft is this week. 329 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: There's been plenty of talk about the Ravens adding a 330 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: safety in the draft. 331 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: And more on that later when we reveal our seven, yes. 332 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: Seven round mock Draft is coming. So stay tuned on 333 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: that front. But that's going to drop Wednesday morning, which 334 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: we were very excited about. And and he said what 335 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: he's often said, like, I just I want to be 336 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: an asset. I'm not I'm comfortable in either role. He 337 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: just kind of played it down in the middle, and 338 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: so like, I could go either way on that, and 339 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: I think that, honestly, how the Ravens use him. And 340 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: he alluded to this, he said this much it could 341 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: change series to series, Like, I don't think that he's 342 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: ever going to be a player that's exclusively I'm going 343 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: to be a deep safety or even exclusively I'm going 344 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: to be a guy that plays up the line of 345 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: scrimmage and in the Swiss armon Neff role. It could 346 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: change game to games, series to series. And that's one 347 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: of the things that makes him so versatile. 348 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: I think Kyle Hamilton will always be used in that, 349 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: in that Swiss army knife kind of role. That's part 350 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: of what makes him so special, right, is that he 351 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: can do at all. And and you know, even even 352 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: if you were to say like and and Kyle played 353 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: back more often this past season and played more deep. 354 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: Safe, especially in the second half of the year. 355 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: In the second half of the year exactly, and he 356 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: said he felt like he proved something in that regard 357 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: to the doubters who didn't then really think that he 358 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: could do that. And he liked the leadership role in 359 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: the communication and all that stuff, and he did a 360 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: great job with that, and so he proved himself in 361 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: that regard. But I think, you know, part of me 362 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: thinks that if Kyle Hamilton, if they just left him 363 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: as center fielder and hey man, you're just there to 364 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: to prevent the deep shots and all that stuff, the 365 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: part of me feels like Kyle Hounds would be like, hey, 366 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: I kind of missed the action. 367 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: I kind of missed. 368 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: I kind of missed being in the center of it. 369 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: I'm bored back here, Yeah, a little bit, like he 370 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 3: wants me, he wants to be part of it. 371 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: I like even of course, there's the part that is like, hey, yeah, 372 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: I want to be the centerfielder and getting interceptions and 373 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: I want to you know, you also want to take 374 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: care of your body to a degree. Right, it's physical 375 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: down closer to the trenches and you get more bumps 376 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: and bruises. Part of me thinks that Kyle Hansen, he 377 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: likes playing football. It was bumps and Bruises' alright. 378 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: With that too, because who gives you some RUMs and 379 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: bruises too. 380 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's always on the receiving end. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 381 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: I think it's that. How the Ravens used him is 382 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: going to be one of the interesting things I think 383 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: of this year, and especially depending on what they do 384 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: in the draft. 385 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: But he I do think that it could be a 386 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: little bit less than in previous years because I think 387 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: and the Ravens have made pretty clear this offseason. John 388 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: Harball's talked about it at the owner's meetings. They like 389 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey in the slot, and so Marlin proved that 390 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: once again last year. Of course he can play outside, 391 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: but I think he's at his best when he's playing 392 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: in the slot and can do both. 393 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like, if I'm guessing, my guess 394 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: is that it will be very similar to what we 395 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: saw in the second half of last year, where he's 396 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: primarily deep, but he's still, of course in certain situations 397 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: can come downhill. And that's what I'm my guess is 398 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: what it will look like for him. 399 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: I think it's probably between that and what it was. 400 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 3: Take a little bit more. Yeah, that'll be again, it 401 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 3: depends on the personnel, yep. And who the Ravens end 402 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: up with in the draft is a big piece of 403 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 3: that equation. Yep. 404 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: Totally agree. All right, we're going to take a break. 405 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 2: Can we come back. 406 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna break down some other points from today the 407 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: first day of voluntary off season workouts. 408 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 3: If you're listening to the Laune podcast, we're coming to 409 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: you from the Sea Geek studio. We also want to 410 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: mention our partners with Draft King Sportsbook. 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So as always, when you get 413 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: to the off season workouts and you're having these conversations, 414 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: you're talking about guys who are getting bigger, add and 415 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: weight losing weight. 416 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: That's part of the conversation, right exactly. 417 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 3: And one of the guys, of course that Scott Elliott, 418 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: the Ravens strength and conditioning coordinators, asked about is Lamar Jackson. 419 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: And last year Lamar lost a bunch of weight coming 420 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 3: into the season, So that was a big talking point 421 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: in conversation going into last year. Basically, what Scott said 422 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: is look that worked out pretty well last year, played 423 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: it at MVP caliber level, and then over the course 424 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 3: of the year he made the I thought this was 425 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: kind of an interesting point, like he came in really 426 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: lean and then over the course of the year actually 427 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: added a few pounds, added some muscle to his frame, 428 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: just kind of with stand things over the course of 429 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 3: the year and basically indicated it's going to be a 430 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: similar plan this year. 431 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is no surprise. 432 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: I thought, for all the handwringing that happened last year 433 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: with Lamar's lower weight, it worked out just fine. 434 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 3: Well, he looked he was super fast. 435 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: Opponents said he was faster, his teammates thought he was faster, 436 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: He looked faster. 437 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: He probably measured faster. 438 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: When the Ravens doo all the analytics, they know, they 439 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: know the answers to these questions, and so I don't 440 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: see any reason why it would change. 441 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think honestly, what I think it comes down 442 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: to is what Lamar wants and how he feels. If 443 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: he feels like he wants to be leaner, to be faster, great, 444 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 3: If he feels like he wants to add some weight 445 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: over the course of the years to with stand the 446 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: physical nature of the season great, Like, whatever he feels 447 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: like has worked pretty well, and so it sounds like 448 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: that's going to be the same approach again. 449 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: Yep, definitely agree. A player where weight is certainly a 450 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: talking point is also Nate Wiggins, And when the Ravens 451 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: drafted him a year ago, that was the biggest topic 452 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: of conversation was, man, this sky is pretty thin. He's 453 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: very lean, and the Ravens were clear about that that, Hey, 454 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: as Nate matures as an athlete and as a person, 455 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: he's just going to put on more weight and more 456 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: muscle and have more of an NFL cornerback body. Now 457 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: again another. 458 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 2: Case of it worked out pretty darn well, right. 459 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins had an excellent rookie season, especially down the stretch. 460 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: I thought he played a really high level and he 461 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: worked hard in the weight room during the course. 462 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: Of the season. 463 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: You could see him gradually transforming. But it's it's a 464 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: challenge for a rookie when you come in And I 465 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: thought Scott Elliott made a great point when these guys 466 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: are in pre draft mode, they're training for the combine 467 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: and for their pro days, and that they're training for 468 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: the forty the vertical and you're not necessarily training for football. 469 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're training to get drafted higher. 470 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: And now then you go from that and you're you're 471 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: drafted and literally a week two weeks later you're starting practice, right, 472 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: So it is a quick turnaround, and you often see 473 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: and then it's straight in the season and it is 474 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: a grind and it's a long season for those rookies 475 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: who aren't used to playing football for that long in college. 476 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: And so now when you have that breath after your 477 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: your this frantic kind of rookie year to first step back, 478 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: get your feedback under you, and now go into a 479 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: full robust NFL offseason conditioning program. That's often see where 480 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: you see players make the biggest adjustment physically, it's from 481 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: year one of the year two. And Nate Wiggins, I 482 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: think is as a great example of that for the 483 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: Ravens and Scott Elliott talked about how, you know, the 484 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: advancements that Nate made over the course of last season 485 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: and how he wants to see him just kind of 486 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: continue that momentum. 487 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. Clifton Brown and I on the podcast we ran 488 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 3: this morning talking to me, yes exactly. We talked about 489 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: the players that have the most to gain, and Nate 490 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: was at the top of our list for both of 491 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: us and outlining these offseason workouts and a couple of 492 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: things with Nate that I think are worth mentioning. He's 493 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: a leaner guy, so just frame wise, like he's that's 494 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: just how he's built. But the other part is like 495 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: he's young. Nate's twenty one years old right now, Like 496 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: he's still one of the youngest players in the NFL. 497 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: He's going to be younger. 498 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: There's a pretty good chance that he's younger than whoever 499 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: the Ravens drafts in the first round. He might be 500 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: the youngest player in the Ravens draft class again this year. 501 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 3: Like that possibility exists. So he's like a young player 502 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: and that physically maturing just comes with age, and so 503 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: I think that like it's part of how he's built, 504 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: it's part of his age. I think that it will 505 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: be really beneficial to him. He looked. I mean, we're 506 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: both really high on him. He was awesome I think 507 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 3: as a rookie and was playing his best football at 508 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: the end of the season, and I think he has 509 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: like Pro Bowl corner potential. Would not shock me if 510 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: he if he vaults himself into that status this year. 511 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: He really would not shock me. 512 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: I look at other players from last year's draft class too, 513 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: Roger Rosengarten in a somewhat similar vein with similar conversation. 514 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: With a leaner leaner player. 515 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: Hey, if once he bulks up like he's got the frame, 516 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: he adds more strength than all that. How with his mobility, 517 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: how good can he become? So I'm excited about him. Yeah, 518 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: I will get a desa Isaac third round pick. I 519 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: mean we're sitting here talking all about. 520 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: The third round. 521 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: What third round pass rusher could the Ravens draft this year, 522 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: right on Day two whatever? Like they took one last year, 523 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: and a desa Isaac, the guy who was very athletic 524 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: and unfortunately missed a fair amount of time due to 525 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: injury last year. But what can he do this offseason 526 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: to really take that next step? 527 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: I look at TJ. 528 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: Tampa, a player that we came out of last year's 529 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: draft class, and he was considered one of the biggest 530 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: steals of the entire draft that the Ravens somehow got 531 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: him in the fourth round. Mel Kiper was projecting him 532 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: as an early second round pick. Yeah, and so what 533 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: can he do, he again missed time with injuries. So like, 534 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of players in that year, one year, 535 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: two cluster of players that I think could really make 536 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: some big strides. 537 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, for Isaac and Tampa, it's basically like the health 538 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: piece of it, get your body physically ready. And then 539 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 3: for Nate and Roger, who both played a lot and 540 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 3: played at a high level, it's like packing on the 541 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: muscle and building a building out of your frame. And 542 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 3: but I'm with you. I think that like the jump 543 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: for all those guys could be pretty significant this year, 544 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 3: and that that work starts right now. The injury thing 545 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: is interesting too, like because the Ravens have been, especially 546 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: the last few years, a really healthy team. And yep, 547 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 3: that's all. You always throw that in throw that in there. 548 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: But Scott Elliott was asked about like how essentially how 549 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 3: big is the work that you do now in terms 550 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: of building the foundation for the team and injury prevention, 551 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: Like is this injury prevention work? How important is that? 552 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 3: And I thought he gave a pretty good answer on it. 553 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: Basically Scott said it comes down to preparation plus luck, 554 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: and I think he's absolutely right with that. 555 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: Look you put in a lot of work. 556 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: And the Ravens have dive very deep into the analytics 557 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: and the studies and all those things about how to 558 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: prevent injuries, how to come back from injuries quickly, recovery, 559 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: all those things. They spend a lot of time, resources, money, 560 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: all those things in that and all those people involved 561 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: deserve a lot of credit with And it begins now. 562 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: This is what we're talking about, Scott Elliott, and the 563 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: work that they're putting in right now is to prevent 564 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: injuries and get their body in peak performance. And so 565 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: the people that are helping the players and the players 566 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: themselves to deserve credit. 567 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: Also. 568 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: It's luck and sometimes that nobody wants to hear it. 569 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: And certainly when the Ravens were going through the tough 570 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: period they went through several years ago where they had 571 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: some seasons with very high injury rates that really held 572 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: them back from their potential as a team, nobody wanted 573 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: to hear it. Hey, it's just bad luck. Some of it, Yeah, 574 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, certainly is bad luck. You can't Football is 575 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: a physical game. You can't help if somebody rolls up 576 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: on you, Yeah, and or whatever like that's just going 577 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: to happen. What you try to eliminate is a lot 578 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: of those soft tissue hamstrings, those kind of things. And 579 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: that's not to say you can eliminate them one hundred percent, 580 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: but you work to do that the freakish stuff that's 581 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: just gonna happen because it's football. And so I think 582 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: that everybody involved deserves a lot of credit. And Scott 583 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: Elliott has come in here and done a great job, 584 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: and the Ravens have given the resources, and John Harball 585 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: certainly leads the charge in terms of turning over every 586 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: stone when it comes to you know, how to what 587 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: processes you're going to have and how to do things better, 588 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: it kind of comes from the top. And then also 589 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: spending the money and having the resources on these new 590 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: toys that Scott Elliott talked about that hey, they're tracking 591 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: how fast they're putting the bar up and down. Right 592 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: when they're doing bench presses, I'll tell you how fast 593 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: it is for you next to not fly they put it. 594 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: On hur speed for you. 595 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: It's not even. 596 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: Measurable that bar ain't getting off, so they don't need 597 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: to measure it for us. But like you know, and 598 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: the catapult vests and all those different metrics that they 599 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: have like they it's advanced. 600 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 3: Well, it's it's interesting. I asked scotch about the evolution 601 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: of it and and like when I when I started 602 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: here in twenty eleven, like the weight room looked different 603 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: than it does today. Like it was it looked a 604 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 3: little bit more like an old school weight room in 605 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 3: terms of how it was it was built. There was 606 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: more machines in there, and it was like it was 607 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: a different looking weight room to the one today, which 608 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: is much more like technologically advanced. And Scott could provide 609 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: a much more detailed explanation of all the different ways 610 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: that the program has evolved. There's technology, there's the type 611 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: of training, there's band training, there's leaning more like the 612 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 3: conditioning aspect of things. There's all sorts of there's nutrition, 613 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: which is a whole element of its own. There's a 614 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: lot that goes into it. And so it's been Scott 615 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 3: talked about that evolution and it is interesting to see. 616 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: And another point that he made that I thought was 617 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: a good one is when free agents come in here, 618 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 3: like they want to have I look at DeAndre Hopkins 619 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: as an example, Like, when free agents come in here, 620 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: they want to have an understanding what the program as 621 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: a whole looks like, and that involves what that weight 622 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: room program looks like. And like DeAndre Hopkins signed his 623 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: contract here and immediately went to work in the weight 624 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: room and started getting to know the guys in there 625 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: and was putting in work and that's part of it. 626 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: And similarly, Scott actually talked. He told a fun story 627 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: about Dereck Henry. And of course we all know Derek 628 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: Henry stories or workouts or legendary. I mean, this guy, 629 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: guy's probably the like the biggest workout worrier in the 630 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: NFL in terms of what he can do in the 631 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: weight room. And so Scott told a story about after 632 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: the season, they had an opportunity to kind of just 633 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: continue talking and he gave Eric a workout back at 634 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: like a year ago this time around May this time. 635 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: So then Derek took that back home to his trainer 636 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: and his family even in Dallas. And then during the 637 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 3: off season leading into training camp, everybody was doing the workout. 638 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: So Scott gave Derek a workout like everybody back at 639 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: his Jim in Dallas, like his family, Derek Henry's family 640 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: was doing it. 641 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: Everybody's doing the workout everybody else. 642 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: He works out of that gym was doing the Scott 643 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: Elliott Ravens workout. 644 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so, but Scott didn't even know that 645 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: until the season was over and he was talking with Derek, 646 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: and Derek was here for a couple of weeks continuing 647 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: to to I guess, do his maintenance routine to close 648 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 3: out a season, I guess, And he shared that story 649 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: with him, and so it was the point being that, 650 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 3: like there's this connection between to what a veteran player 651 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: who's great at working out on their own does and 652 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: building that and bridging that with what the team can 653 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: provide as well. 654 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,239 Speaker 1: I think that's a testament to Scott Elliott and his 655 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: staff around him and the relationships that they've built in 656 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: that right room, Like that that goes a long way. 657 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: I think Derek Manners had no shortage of coming up 658 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: with workouts right like. 659 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: He yeah, and it's and it's trust and it's you know, 660 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: the weightlifting portion of NFL operation is kind of like 661 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: the homework, right. It's like the everybody likes to do 662 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: the glitzeeing, everybody likes to play the games, right, how 663 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: much do you like doing the nitty gritty stuff that 664 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: isn't as fun, right the weightlifting portion, like it's in 665 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: your better analogy, it's in your vegetables, right, and so like, 666 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: the better you can make those vegetables taste, the happier 667 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: the verse is gonna be. And and I think that 668 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Scott Elliott and his team have really developed those relationships 669 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: where there's trust, as this Derrick Henry story is speaks too. Right. 670 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: When you have somebody that knows what works best for 671 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: them and it has a very regimented routine, is a 672 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: pro and has been doing it for a long time, 673 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: and then they're taking what you recommend and working that 674 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: into what they do, that speaks to trust. Yeah, And 675 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: just that's part of why the Ravens I think the 676 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: past couple of years have also had fewer injuries. There's 677 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: been buy in from the players. That's what you need 678 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: as a coach of any position, really and including in 679 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: the weight room, is that buy in, and the Ravens 680 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: have it. And I think they're in a really good 681 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: place for that. 682 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's good. I mean, it's exciting. 683 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. A couple other quick notes for me. 684 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: You know, you have players talking for the first time 685 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: since free agency, and there's free agency losses and additions 686 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: and whatnot, And a couple of the more notable Ravens 687 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: losses were at inside linebacker, where Malie Harrison went to 688 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 1: the Steelers and Chris Board to the Giants. And then 689 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: you also had Pat McCarey who left for the Jaguars, 690 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 1: and so that opens up a couple of starting positions. 691 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: Malie Harrison was starting down the hat second half of 692 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: last season. Roquan Smith said that he has gotten in 693 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: some workout sessions already this offseason with Trent and Simpson, 694 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: and so I like hearing that, and that's really kind 695 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: of developing that bond and getting those two on the 696 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: same page as they're projected to work together a lot 697 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: this upcoming season. Trenton is certainly, as a stands now 698 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: the leader in the clubhouse for that starting spot next 699 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: to to Roquan that he began last year with. So 700 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: that's a good, I think, a good sign for those 701 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: two as they continue to work on that chemistry. 702 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: There's no there's no secret this is a big year 703 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: for Trent and Simpson and he's going into a role 704 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 3: where he again he earned that spot coming out of 705 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: camp last year, and then the has went a different 706 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: direction down the stretch. But really talented player, really hard worker. 707 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: He's another guy that just diligent in what he does 708 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 3: and he's not gonna get out worked, I don't think. 709 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: And so he's been in. 710 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 2: That one another guy. This isn't the first time we've 711 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: seen him this offseason. 712 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been he's been here before and a smart guy, 713 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: worked hard. So I think that the Ravens know that 714 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot on his plate this year 715 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: and last year, Like we were all talking a year 716 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: ago about how we felt like he could step into 717 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 3: that role and initially he did, and so it's a 718 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: similar story. It's a similar conversation. But I just think 719 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: that the experience of last year is really beneficial to him. 720 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 3: And sure, and John Harwall even made the point like, 721 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 3: go back and look at Patrick Queen and his career 722 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 3: here in Baltimore, and he really took off in year three. 723 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 3: And certainly hope it's the same story with Trent Simpson, 724 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 3: and it would not surprise me if that's the case. 725 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: Yep. 726 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: And then another player, Andrew Voorhee's is probably the leader 727 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse to start at left guard with Pat 728 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: McCarey's departure for Jacksonville and another player that we've seen 729 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: around the building. You know, players can they can come 730 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: and work out here whenever they want. It's not no 731 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: coaches are involved, but they can. It's open gym. And 732 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: so like those offensive linemen have been around a lot, 733 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: including Andrew Voorhees, and so Tyler Linbaum talked about how 734 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: much faith in confidence he has and Andrew to step 735 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: in even though you know, Tyler's hurting his buddy. Yeah, 736 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: his buddy Pat McCarey left. He's happy for him that, 737 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, he got that nice contract down in Jacksonville. 738 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: But it's a little bit, it'll be a bit of 739 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: a change in the locker room. 740 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 3: Well, Rocks mckerry and Linderbaum's lockers were right next to 741 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 3: each other. 742 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 2: They were clowning all the time. 743 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: Yes, they were buds. But I'm gonna guess that for He's, 744 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: he might step into that role both locker room wise 745 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 3: and on the field. He might just step in. Amma 746 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 3: and Linderbaum are buddies also, so I think that they're 747 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 3: they're pretty good friends both on and off the field. 748 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: So I think that for He's totally could step into 749 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: that role again. I mean it's kind of a similar 750 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: conversation with Trenton Simpson and both these guys going into 751 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 3: their third years. For He's won that job out of 752 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 3: camp last year, then he got hurt. That was the difference. 753 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: He got hurt, and then once he got hurt, they 754 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 3: shoveled things around. Rose Garden came into the starting line. 755 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: Up well, and the difference is before He's missed his 756 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: entire rookie season as he was reh having a knee, 757 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: So he's really kind of a year behind Trenton to 758 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: a degree. 759 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: Developmental lies, yes, but just in terms of both those 760 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: guys had starting experience last year and they're going to 761 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: get a chance to win that starting job again this year, 762 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: and I think that there's real optimism and a reason 763 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 3: for belief that both those guys could do it really adequately. 764 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. 765 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: Well, like I said at the top, Garrett, the most 766 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: exciting day of the year. Nobody could argue otherwise. Very exciting. 767 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: Ravens fans. Make sure you email us at the lounge 768 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: at ravenst NFL dot net. And as we teased, we're 769 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: gonna have our full seven round mock drafts. 770 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the second most exciting day of the year. 771 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a really exciting day. You're gonna blow 772 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 2: it again this year? 773 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can't wait. You see how bad decisions 774 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: you make this year? You I mean, you said would 775 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: stand in the pod, you said and cut it right. 776 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: We're not going to get into failures. 777 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 3: But I don't think that you have ever beaten me 778 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 3: in a mock track. 779 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 2: That's not true. 780 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: I don't think you've ever beaten me. 781 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: All right, well, well you know what, we got a 782 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: couple of days to go to the film. All right, 783 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: we're gonna go. We're gonna get I don't wanna doun't 784 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: that too deep? 785 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: Please please do, because not gonna be a story that 786 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 3: you want to tell. 787 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find the one time that I had 788 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: more correct guesses than you. You'll be looking for a 789 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: long time, but we are. 790 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 3: That episode is gonna drop on Wednesday morning, all eleven 791 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 3: picks from each of us, uh in terms of what 792 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 3: the Ravens could do in this draft, and again draft 793 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 3: is Thursday night. We're really excited about it. That truly 794 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 3: is one of the best days of the year, one 795 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: of our favorite weekends. So we can't wait. Let us 796 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 3: know who you think the Ravens are gonna pick. You 797 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 3: can email us your mock draft. Some of you already have. 798 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 3: I always look forward to reading those. You can email 799 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 3: us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 800 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening, and we will be 801 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 3: back with you again on Wednesday when we dropped those 802 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 3: seven round marks