WEBVTT - Ticket Out of Town: Commercial Spaceflight – Lab 077

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<v Speaker 1>T t.

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<v Speaker 2>There are two places we both say we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to mess around with. That's too deep in the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, and too far out into space.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know what's out there, and we don't know

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<v Speaker 3>it's down there. Okay, there you have it. The people

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<v Speaker 3>are like, oh, I would want to live in the

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<v Speaker 3>ocean at the I'm like, we don't know anything about

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<v Speaker 3>what's going.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all laughing at SpongeBob. But a pineapple under the sea.

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<v Speaker 2>No thanks, Okay, you don't know what's down there, No

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<v Speaker 2>one does. We don't know what's in space, but people

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<v Speaker 2>are still trying to go there.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Just this Monday that just passed, NASA was supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to launch their Artemis moon rocket, but the launch was scrubbed,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's canceled due to technical difficulties because of a

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<v Speaker 3>fuel leak and some other things like a temperature issue

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<v Speaker 3>with the engine.

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<v Speaker 2>When will we learn to see in space? We need

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<v Speaker 2>to cool it down?

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<v Speaker 3>When will we learn?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm TT and I'm Zakiyah.

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<v Speaker 3>And from Spotify, this is Stop Labs.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that makes this

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<v Speaker 2>hardcore science, pop culture, and a healthy dose of friendship.

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<v Speaker 3>This week, we're talking all about commercial space flights.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we even get into this too deep.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta know where everybody's landing. If you could go

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<v Speaker 2>to space, and I mean first class to space, not

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<v Speaker 2>in the cargo area. If you could go first class

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<v Speaker 2>to space, would you go T T? Would you go?

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh? I'm still very terrified of space, you know me.

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<v Speaker 3>I've said this in a few episodes, like the thought

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<v Speaker 3>of space scares me, honey, like it scares me, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the scientist in me is very curious what

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, if it'll be cool, you know. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>kind of on the fence. I'm gonna say yes because

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I have to say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, y'all bullying my friend, and to be in a space, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna bully me. Y'all always bullying me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now it's time for y'all to tell us would

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<v Speaker 2>you go to space? Yes or no? If you take

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<v Speaker 2>a look in the app right now, you'll see the

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<v Speaker 2>poll at the bottom. Let us know would you go

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<v Speaker 2>to space? Yes or no? And also jump in our

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<v Speaker 2>dms or respond to our story on Instagram because we

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<v Speaker 2>really do want to hear I want to know why

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<v Speaker 2>you're going or why you're not going.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't say, are you going?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm in their life swim, We're terrified.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm going scared, straight to space. Everybody's going to space.

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<v Speaker 2>When William Shatner went, I said, hey, I think I'm eligible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he took offense to everybody asking his age, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's a valid question.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's pretty much up there. So and how

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<v Speaker 2>do you get on the list? I saw Michael Strahan

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<v Speaker 2>went recently, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know what the qualifications are, but Michael Strahan, William Shaddner,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who's next.

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<v Speaker 2>And that made us ask a lot of questions. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to know more about the history of space exploration,

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<v Speaker 2>how commercial space flights impact space exploration, and what that

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<v Speaker 2>could mean for the future.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get into the recitation.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we know, Well, we are seeing quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of dust being kicked up from the private

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<v Speaker 2>space company SpaceX, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic. Everybody is taking

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<v Speaker 2>this thing to space.

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<v Speaker 3>And like we said, they have been taking a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of celebrities and the folks with the coin because going

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<v Speaker 3>to space is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheap going across the country is not cheap.

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<v Speaker 3>Ain't no spirit flights to space?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know there's not any spirit flights anymore anyway, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they were just bought. Now, if I see Jeb Blue

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<v Speaker 2>going to space, you're taking on too many risks. That's

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell anybody that has a ticket, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just you're taking it too far.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, this is gonna be a slingshot. They're gonna put

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<v Speaker 3>you in a slingshot and just let it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But even though we're joking around, there seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of excitement about and potential related to space exploration.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, there's so much to be discovered in space. But

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<v Speaker 3>because we don't know that much, that means there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of unknowns. So it kind of makes you go,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know when you start thinking about just sending regular, regular,

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<v Speaker 3>regular people into.

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<v Speaker 2>Space, and so what do we want to know? So

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of the history of space exploration, who were the

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<v Speaker 3>first folks to think about space and what questions were

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<v Speaker 3>they asking and trying to answer?

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to know how we got here. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I was just minding my business and then

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was going to space, like, was this secretly happening?

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<v Speaker 2>How did it become so popular? How did these people

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<v Speaker 2>get on these lists? You know, was there space flight

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<v Speaker 2>before Instagram when people couldn't post about it?

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to know what do we need to

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<v Speaker 3>be thinking about for the future. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to just stop with those quick flights

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<v Speaker 3>up and down. Are people going to start trying to

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<v Speaker 3>living space? Are people going to be having hotels up there?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there going to be Spotify space? If so, sign

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<v Speaker 3>me up? Is that a part of my premium membership?

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<v Speaker 3>My subscription.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's jump into the dissection.

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<v Speaker 3>Our guest for today's Lab is doctor Jordan Beim.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doctor Jordan Bim. I'm a space historian at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Chicago. My research focuses on the hitt of

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<v Speaker 1>space medicine and astrobiology. The best spaceship is friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Bim is working on a book called Anticipating the

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<v Speaker 2>Astronaut and it's all about the history of space medicine

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<v Speaker 2>pre NASA. It's coming out next year with MIT Press.

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<v Speaker 2>And since he's a space historian, we knew he could

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<v Speaker 2>take us back into time. Okay, so The first thing

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<v Speaker 2>that we wanted to know was when humans were first

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about going into space, what were they thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>and what did exploration look like.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been going to space for over sixty years, but

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<v Speaker 1>humans have been thinking about going to space for almost

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we have written records. The earliest space

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<v Speaker 1>sciences were visual observations of the cosmos, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>done just with the naked eye for many years, and

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<v Speaker 1>then starting in the sixteen hundreds, it was the telescope.

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<v Speaker 2>The telescope was the main instrument for exploring space until

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the twentieth century, and telescopes are still

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<v Speaker 2>important for space exploration today. Doctor Bim told us it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until nineteen forty five, at the end of World

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<v Speaker 2>War Two, that we developed technology to actually reach space.

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<v Speaker 1>So most people think that space exploration starts with NASA,

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<v Speaker 1>which was founded in nineteen fifty eight. But what my

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<v Speaker 1>research as a space historian focuses on is this missing

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<v Speaker 1>ten years or so where it was actually done in

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<v Speaker 1>the military, mostly the US Air Force. And the context

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<v Speaker 1>there is the Cold War, which was a military competition

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<v Speaker 1>between the United States and the Soviet Union. It was

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<v Speaker 1>framed by the fear of nuclear annihilation and the delivery

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<v Speaker 1>of atomic weapons. Someone said, hey, instead of putting a

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<v Speaker 1>warhead on top of a rocket, what if we put

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<v Speaker 1>a little capsule and a human in there. What could

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<v Speaker 1>we do with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would they say that?

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<v Speaker 3>That is not my next? No line up thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of a warhead, what about a real head?

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<v Speaker 3>Right like that, Doctor Bem shared, it's important to understand

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<v Speaker 3>how the military shaped the history of space exploration and research.

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<v Speaker 1>I always say history matters. You know, the past isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really past. The past is all around us, and that

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<v Speaker 1>counts for space as well. And it's my mission to

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<v Speaker 1>recover those missing stories.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those missing stories includes Werner von Bront, a

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<v Speaker 2>former Nazi and rocket engineer who was brought over to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States by our government as part of a

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<v Speaker 2>secret program called Operation Papercliff. And in this program, the

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<v Speaker 2>United States brought over sixteen hundred German scientists, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>war crimes, to work against the Soviet Union and with

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<v Speaker 2>the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And so many people know that Verner von Brown and

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<v Speaker 1>his team of Nazi rocket scientists built the rockets that

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<v Speaker 1>took us to the moon. But what most people don't

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<v Speaker 1>know is that doctors and psychologists came over as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and they worked on the human who would ride inside

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<v Speaker 1>that rocket. So the early history of the field of

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<v Speaker 1>space medicine, which I write about in the US Air Force,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not American doctors and psychologists, it's former Luftwaffe doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and psychologists. And they did not check their ideas about

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<v Speaker 1>the perfectibility of certain humans at Ellis Island. When they

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<v Speaker 1>came to the United States, they wove that into knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>about the human body in the extreme environment of outer space.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you look at the first astronaut groups and

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<v Speaker 1>there are seven white male military test pilots, like all

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<v Speaker 1>the same size, you know, the only thing that's different

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<v Speaker 1>is like their haircut and their tie or something. It

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<v Speaker 1>kind of is this low key eugenics that gets in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and we see the ripple effects of that. Even today,

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<v Speaker 1>we're still trying to fight for diversity and equity of

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<v Speaker 1>access to space because there has been this entrenched normal

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<v Speaker 1>of the sort of white male body as space normal,

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<v Speaker 1>which it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this gets back to what we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>with Angela sayani H in Skin Deep Lap twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, how our.

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<v Speaker 2>Historical underpinnings, what was going on in the world at

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<v Speaker 2>that time affects the science that was being done, and

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<v Speaker 2>we look back at it and say, the science doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>lie of what baby, The science is biased. Okay, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're still reeling from those effects today. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>When you take a look back at all of the

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<v Speaker 3>earliest you know, bright minds that people talk about in

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<v Speaker 3>reference Darwin, all these folks they were racist, and they

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<v Speaker 3>had verrely racist ideologies that they baked into their science,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was the science that was then canonized by

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<v Speaker 3>the scientific community. So we accepted as fact. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>science that's built on top of that. So even though

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<v Speaker 3>we are hundreds of years post those thoughts and we think, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we're progressive, we're scientists. No, the roots, the foundation of

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<v Speaker 3>some of these scientific principles are biased and racist.

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<v Speaker 2>We even see this in entertainment where people are upset

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<v Speaker 2>about black people being in Marvel movies and being guardians

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<v Speaker 2>of the galaxy. Hey, we talked about space people and

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<v Speaker 2>you think they should all look like white man. That's

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<v Speaker 2>wild to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I also saw a raccoon that y'all don't have no

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<v Speaker 3>objections to that, or a piece of wood. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>watch these Marvel movies, So I don't really know, Like

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<v Speaker 3>there was a tree, that's all. But black folks aren't okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Something's happening here. Spoiler alert, it's racism.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we get to moving from warhead to human

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<v Speaker 2>hit going to space, the first question scientists wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>answer was could the human body actually survive in space?

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<v Speaker 1>Can the human body survive the rigors of space travel,

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<v Speaker 1>which include intense acceleration and deceleration, exposure to low pressure

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<v Speaker 1>environments inside the cabin, perhaps temperature extremes of heat and cold,

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<v Speaker 1>things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>The United States began to answer these questions with Project Mercury,

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<v Speaker 3>NASA's first human space flight program, and it started in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifty eight and had its first flight, the Mercury

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<v Speaker 3>Redstone three, in nineteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>And those early space flights proved that for a short

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, human body can survive those stresses. And

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<v Speaker 1>then as we moved into longer duration missions like the

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<v Speaker 1>famous Apollo missions that took us into deep space into

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon, we learned that the transit from the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon is possible. Remote field work on the extreme

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<v Speaker 1>environment of the lunar is possible. It's possible to do

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<v Speaker 1>science in these distant, hazardous places.

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<v Speaker 2>We've learned a lot in the past sixty years about

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<v Speaker 2>sending humans to space, but there's still so much to

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<v Speaker 2>learn and so many more open questions. For instance, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how well people will do in longer space flights,

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<v Speaker 2>like beyond a year, so it could be a while

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<v Speaker 2>before we're all thinking about living on Mars.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so let's recap. We've talked about how the history

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<v Speaker 3>of space exploration was rooted in the military, in some

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<v Speaker 3>problematic history in early space research, and since the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 3>space exploration and research has been more scientific inquiry focused.

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<v Speaker 3>With the founding of NASA, so in nineteen sixty nine

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<v Speaker 3>we put a man on the Moon and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety eight we launched the International Space Station. But recently

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen a boom in commercial space flight opportunities offered

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<v Speaker 3>by private companies.

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<v Speaker 1>We have seen this transformation from military to science now

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<v Speaker 1>to what I would call experience and experience that is

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<v Speaker 1>for sale. The thing that's really interesting is that the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to the question of what space is for, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's for military, whether it's for science, whether it's for experience,

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<v Speaker 1>is always linked to who space is for. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>for military, then you send soldiers. If it's for science,

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<v Speaker 1>you send scientists, engineers, and doctors. And if it's for experience,

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<v Speaker 1>well then it's who has the money to pay for

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<v Speaker 1>that and who they select as their chosen companions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really interesting point. As the goals of space

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<v Speaker 2>exploration and travel shift, who is able to travel also changes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and while this shift to commercial space flight feels new,

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually been going on a lot longer, right under

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<v Speaker 3>our noses.

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<v Speaker 1>The commercialization of space began about twenty years ago with

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<v Speaker 1>flights to the International Space Station that were sold by

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<v Speaker 1>a company called Space Adventures. When the Soviet Union collapsed

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety one, they had this space program and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden they needed money. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they just tried to sell spare seats on their Soyu's

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<v Speaker 1>capsuless that's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically the government had a arc.

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<v Speaker 1>You could basically buy a seat on a Soyu's space

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<v Speaker 1>capsule launching from Russia, and about twenty or so people

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<v Speaker 1>chose that route, and it was maybe twenty million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for a seat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crowdfunding was twenty million for a seat. That's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>So doctor bim is saying that when I was on

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<v Speaker 2>AOL instant messenger, people were buying discount seats to crowdfund

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<v Speaker 2>their government to go to space. Ooh, like that's wild

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, it is, I can't believe this was happening,

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<v Speaker 3>And it feels like no one knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody knew.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't like they were a company that created

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new infrastructure. They were basically selling something they

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<v Speaker 1>already had as a way to generate income to keep

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<v Speaker 1>their space program going.

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<v Speaker 3>Commercial spaceflight has expanded since the first Space Adventures flight

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<v Speaker 3>to the International Space Station in two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 3>Today there are several companies that offer sub orbital or

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<v Speaker 3>low Earth orbit flights, and ticket prices start at four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty thousand dollars and go up from there.

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<v Speaker 1>What we've seen with SpaceX, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic is

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<v Speaker 1>the creation of an entirely new sets of infrastructure, and

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<v Speaker 1>the key of this is reusability. And I'm sure we've

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<v Speaker 1>all seen those videos of those rockets coming back and

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<v Speaker 1>landing back on Earth with their stabilizers out. That is

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of key technological innovation that is allowing these

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<v Speaker 1>companies to lower the price of a space launch, which

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<v Speaker 1>before was so expensive that it was really only governments

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<v Speaker 1>that could manage that. But now we're seeing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the ascent of the billionaire class coming out of the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet boom. They have money to basically start a space program,

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<v Speaker 1>which is crazy, but it's happening now.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to stop you, because while the price might

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<v Speaker 2>be getting lower, it's definitely not affordable.

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<v Speaker 3>No affordable for Diddy. So let's say someone does have

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<v Speaker 3>the money to go to space, can anyone go? I

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<v Speaker 3>saw William Shatner went up there, and he's pretty old,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would hope that there is some health criteria

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<v Speaker 3>for space travel, not just the coins. But if there

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<v Speaker 3>isn't should there be?

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<v Speaker 1>He was ninety years old. And also Wally Funk, a

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<v Speaker 1>amazing woman pilot who was part of a very early

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<v Speaker 1>space medicine research program, got the chance to go to

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<v Speaker 1>space as well, and I believe she was eighty two

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<v Speaker 1>years old. So what we've seen is that people who

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<v Speaker 1>are not these sort of eugenic specimens that we were

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<v Speaker 1>sending to space in the nineteen sixties can also survive

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<v Speaker 1>at least a short duration spaceflight. But that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that anybody can go to space. Space does actually challenge

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<v Speaker 1>the human body in lots of ways. I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the vacuum of space, but the environment inside the

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<v Speaker 1>space capsule is usually a low pressure environment. There's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem of weightlessness or zero G. So there are aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of the body that do need to be checked out beforehand,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't want someone to become sick in space

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<v Speaker 1>or Heaven forbid, you know, die there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think something that we often overlook is that the

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<v Speaker 2>whole way we understand and study our bodies is with gravity. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>as we stand and exist here now, gravity is being

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<v Speaker 2>enacted on us. That's a force that's enacted on us.

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<v Speaker 2>It ensures that our blood maintains an optimum blood pressure level.

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<v Speaker 2>Your heart is pumping to pump your blood up against

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<v Speaker 2>the force of gravity, your organs being situated, all of

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<v Speaker 2>your muscles, and your scalear structure, all that stuff is

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<v Speaker 2>operating under the pressure of gravity. But when you move

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<v Speaker 2>to a gravity list environment or an environment that has

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<v Speaker 2>so little gravity that it's basically negligible, that changes things.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can imagine that over time being in that environment,

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<v Speaker 2>that will continue to change and affect how your body

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<v Speaker 2>operates too.

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<v Speaker 3>My little sister, who is a very smart woman. She's

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<v Speaker 3>an aerospace engineer. She just did a zero gravity flight

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<v Speaker 3>and let me tell you, she said it was not

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<v Speaker 3>for the faint of heart. It was tough, like really

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<v Speaker 3>tough on the body. She did really well and was

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<v Speaker 3>able to pull off all the experiences that she needed

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<v Speaker 3>to do. But the description it didn't sound like something

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to do, Like, I don't like roller coasters.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no way I'm finding zero G.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, another consideration beyond just like do you have

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<v Speaker 2>the stomach for it? Is the training and selection process

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<v Speaker 2>for commercial space flight. So you know, whenever I watch

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<v Speaker 2>these documentaries about people going to space and NASA, they

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<v Speaker 2>have years of training, and I know these people getting

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<v Speaker 2>on these flights are only getting a few days at best.

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<v Speaker 2>So even though the financial barriers are high, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like the barrier to entry is lower because a few

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<v Speaker 2>days of training does not equal a few years. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's say you have the money and you're physically

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<v Speaker 2>cleared to go on a commercial space flight.

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<v Speaker 3>What are people doing up there? Well, what's on the itinerary?

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<v Speaker 1>When people started going to space as tourists, they initially

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<v Speaker 1>were going on those Russian rockets to the International Space Station,

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<v Speaker 1>and there'd only be one of them at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're basically going to be up on the space

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<v Speaker 1>station with a bunch of professional astronauts. You're not really

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to choose whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do at any given moment. What you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>has to fit in with their busy research schedules and

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<v Speaker 1>station upkeep schedules. But last September, when we saw the

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<v Speaker 1>Inspiration four flight, which was an early SpaceX orbital flight

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<v Speaker 1>and was called the first all civilian space flight, that

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of a turning point where they could choose

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they wanted to do in that orbiting space capsule.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that flight, Inspiration four, was actually privately chartered

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<v Speaker 3>by a billionaire named Jared Isaacman, and it launched September

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<v Speaker 3>fifteenth of twenty twenty one, and the purpose of this

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<v Speaker 3>launch was to raise money for Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what's really interesting is that doctor Bim

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<v Speaker 2>told us, people on that flight chose to reference back

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<v Speaker 2>to the previous goals of space travel and exploration.

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<v Speaker 1>So in their training, they always appeared in military jets.

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<v Speaker 1>They always appeared dressed in like flight suits, as if

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<v Speaker 1>they were soldiers, and then when they were up there,

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<v Speaker 1>they made sure to tell everyone that they had a

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<v Speaker 1>scientific research program that they were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I like this, So basically, so they're playing dress up. Yea,

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<v Speaker 2>they think this is what they should do if they

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<v Speaker 2>go to space.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It's like when you go to Paris and you

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<v Speaker 3>see the Eiffel Tower, or in New York when you

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<v Speaker 3>see the Empire State Building or a Times Square.

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<v Speaker 2>It just felt like that was part of their generation

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<v Speaker 2>checklist for space vacation.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to get a beret when you're in Paris.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Bim says people shouldn't be ashamed to go to

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<v Speaker 2>space and not do science.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's some pressure to like perform or

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<v Speaker 1>like recreate the sort of hits of the past that

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<v Speaker 1>people are expecting from like the cultural history of space exploration.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I'm waiting for someone who just wants to

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<v Speaker 1>go up and say I'm just here to chill and

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<v Speaker 1>look at the view, you know, or like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go up there and like write a play, do

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<v Speaker 1>some art.

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<v Speaker 2>In some ways, it feels like traveling to space, like

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<v Speaker 2>the TODA, the razzle, dazzle of it is the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you do have to consider, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if we start having these longer flights, like all right,

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<v Speaker 2>we're up here, you know what do we do?

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<v Speaker 3>I know what I'm gonna do. I'm definitely taking a

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<v Speaker 3>selfie with Earth. Okay, I'm waiting until you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>can see, like right where my house is, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna try and point and get the right selfie angle

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<v Speaker 3>and smile like geez posting that on my Instagram. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna try and get some TikTok's flowing through the capsule.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta start thinking of captions now, nobody can hold

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<v Speaker 3>me down something like that, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it writes itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, so TT obviously has a plan. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even imagine my feet off the ground, especially not

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<v Speaker 2>that far up. Okay, let's take a break and when

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<v Speaker 2>we come back, we'll talk about some of the downsides

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<v Speaker 2>or precautions we should think about when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the future of space exploration.

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<v Speaker 3>We're back, and before we jump back into today's lab,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk about next week's lab. Next week we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>all about friendship. Now, I know you remember our last

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<v Speaker 3>lab on friendship when we brought doctor Marissa g Franco

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<v Speaker 3>back to talk a little bit more about how to

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<v Speaker 3>make and keep your friends as adults.

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<v Speaker 2>But for now, let's get back to today's lab with doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Beim, where we're talking about the history of space

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<v Speaker 2>exploration and commercial space flight. We've come so far from

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<v Speaker 2>gazing up at the Cosmos, but there's still so much

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<v Speaker 2>to discover about space. There's a lot of possibility, which

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<v Speaker 2>feels really exciting. But what do we need to watch

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<v Speaker 2>out for. What are we going to look back on

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<v Speaker 2>and wish we did different?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, those are some really important questions, especially since

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<v Speaker 3>we know certain companies are interested in building space hotels,

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<v Speaker 3>settling on other planets, and finding ways to make a

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<v Speaker 3>profit off of space.

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<v Speaker 1>I worry that there's actually a lot of negatives that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't perceive because there is this sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>popular fascination without her space. A lot of people think

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<v Speaker 1>of space as like a utopian place where we transform ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I worry deeply about who is holding the keys to space.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was bad enough when it was NASA controlling

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<v Speaker 1>who gets to go to space. They were at least

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<v Speaker 1>a government agency that had oversight from Congress, but now

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the hands of private companies, and that changes

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<v Speaker 1>the information environment drastically.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Bim says, we should really pay attention, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who's making decisions about space and what's the narrative that's

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<v Speaker 2>being told about these commercial flights.

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<v Speaker 1>When I see these commercial space flights that have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of billionaires or millionaires and then like one

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<v Speaker 1>or two chosen celebrities or people who have really sympathetic stories,

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<v Speaker 1>I worry that those people are selected basically just to

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<v Speaker 1>help them control the air, so that you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>your Wally Funk, but you don't talk about who is

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<v Speaker 1>in the seat next to her, Jeff Bezos and the

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<v Speaker 1>climate impacts of his empire, where it's like, look over here,

0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 1>look at this person who really deserves to go to space,

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's really cool to go into space, But don't

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<v Speaker 1>look over here at like the whole larger thing about

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk's plans for putting people on Mars and starting

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 1>a city there, Like you don't need a crystal ball

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.639
<v Speaker 1>to know how he's going to treat laborers in his

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Martian city. Just look at how workers in his Earth

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>companies get treated and that to me is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>red flag that we're not going in the right direction

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<v Speaker 1>here and it's time for a course correction. To use

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 1>an astronautical term, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think this is such a great point, and we already

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 3>see similar red flags happening with meta the Facebook world,

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:49.239
<v Speaker 3>where people are going to be living kind of in

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 3>virtual reality. When that was announced, very rich people started

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 3>buying up a lot of meta land in the Metaverse,

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 3>which could have ripple effects later on when other people

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.640
<v Speaker 3>want to engage with the metaverse and now they have

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<v Speaker 3>to purchase land from someone else who can determine the

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 3>price of it.

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 2>And when we're thinking about people with this much money

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and power that they are in the position to put

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.879
<v Speaker 2>a city on Mars, I don't think osha, And you

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 2>know the labor laws here are gonna apply there, and

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, I feel like Martians could be about about it.

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>So are there any regulations for taking up space in space? Ah?

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, we might be.

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Marsians wanted to smoke action.

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah we're weak, but the Martians might have something else

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.199
<v Speaker 2>up to sleeve. They don't even have sleeves.

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Every alien movie proves that the aliens are smarter and

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:48.879
<v Speaker 3>stronger and oftentimes way bigger than us. We don't stand

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 3>a chance. We don't good luck in Gotham City. On Mars.

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be underground. We're not gonna get no sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Bim says. The issue of taking up space in

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.919
<v Speaker 3>space is something we need to be thinking about.

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:10.959
<v Speaker 1>That's going to be a huge issue. It already is

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the topic of space junk. There's

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a huge amount of space around the Earth, but we're

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>taking it up, and there's tens of thousands of things

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>up there now, and eventually we're going to reach a limit.

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>And there's this theoretical concept called the Kessler syndrome where

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>if things get so dense, one collision can start, three

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 1>collisions can start, nine collisions. Then it's just like exponential disaster.

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>That was the concept behind the movie Gravity. It's a

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>real problem that we have to contend with of how

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>to protect the environment of low Earth orbit. It is

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>an environment. You know, the environment does not end at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the atmosphere.

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 3>We just saw an article about space junk.

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stuff is falling from the sky.

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And typically when stuff falls from space, it falls

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 3>into the ocean, so we don't care. But we just

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 3>saw an article where it actually fell into a sheep farm,

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 3>So now it's getting a little bit too close for comfort. Yeah,

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 3>we have to start thinking about this because as we

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 3>start taking more opportunities to go to space and people

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 3>are thinking about doing more space flights, that means more

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 3>space junk.

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's basically going to be like National

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Parks when they're telling people to pick up their trash,

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>pack up whatever you brought in.

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 3>Leave no trace in space.

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Right there you go. That's the slogan, reach out to

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.399
<v Speaker 2>TT for more space slogans.

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 3>I'll put it on a T shirt. Yeah, I'll put

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 3>it on a T shirt.

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>The environment does not end at the top of the atmosphere,

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>but there is no FAA for space yet that is

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>going to regulate the creation of a space hotel. And

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 1>then you run into like all of these legal issues,

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 1>like which countries laws govern that space hotel.

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Commercial space flight companies are subject to the Federal Aviation

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Administration or the FAA their regulations because they pass through

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere on the way up to space and back

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 3>down the Earth. And doctor Bim says there's been friction

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 3>between space companies and the FAA, and that space travel

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 3>is starting to go beyond the scope of the existing laws.

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>That can be problematic because then it just becomes sort

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>of like a first mover's game. Who has the money

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>in the power to do something, especially if doing it

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>in space. It's hard to enforce stuff like that, you know,

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to say, you know, you can't do that. Well,

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, stop me, you know is what maybe Elon

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Musk would say to doing something on Mars, and like,

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>morally I would be like, yes, stop him, But practically

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 1>how do you do it? I worry though, that it

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>is an actor's game and that the laws will struggle

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to keep up.

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>This is giving strong callbacks to colonialism. This feels like

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the Europeans going to the Americas. You know, we got

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 2>to ask some questions, did we learn anything from that?

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Should we even be trying to go into space? Should

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>we just you know, stay in our orbit, into the

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.959
<v Speaker 2>rivers and lakes that we're used to. I think there

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>are so many frameworks for thinking about this.

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Some people might be tempted to say, since there's no

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 3>one living in space currently, we can't be colonizers or

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 3>repeat the violence of European colonization, but doctor Bim says

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 3>that's not true.

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>We absolutely can I push back forcefully on that. And

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the ways that we do that are, first, you can

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>enact colonial relationships on Earth to get you to space.

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>And you see that in different things like who are

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>medical test subjects for space medicine? Where are spaceports located

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>in the world. Do the locations of the spaceports benefit

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the people who live around them? Do they have a

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>say in whether that spaceport gets there? And then the

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>second way that we can recreate the mistakes the past

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>is we can speak about space with a colonial rhetoric

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>without being critical of it. So talking about colonization, talking

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>about terraforming, this idea that we can just like go

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to a planet and like take it over and make

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it for us, that is an assumption that we got

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>to back up a number of steps and think about

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>whether or not that's the right way to think about

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>doing that, because a lot of times we're just skipping

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>right ahead to like, that's what we're doing.

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't think most people are considering what doctor Bim

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 3>just said when they're saying, oh, let's live on the

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 3>moon or let's live on Mars. But that is absolutely

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 3>a colonial mentality of people like they can leave where

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 3>they are and inhabit another place just.

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Because, just because they want to. Yeah, we're seeing this

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>all over. We especially saw it with remote workers. Oh yeah,

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw folks just packing up and saying, now I'm

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>going to this other country because the cost of living

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 2>is lower. But you're not thinking about any of the

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>systems that are already in place, who you're displacing, how

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>you're exploiting folks, none of that.

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Right there resources that they have available, And we're gonna

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 3>be talking a lot more about this in an upcoming

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 3>episode on eco tourism, So we're gonna step off our

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 3>soapbox really quickly on that and make sure you tune

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 3>into that episode.

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but to bring it back to space we saw

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>SpaceX recently building a rocket factory in South Texas and

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 2>it affected the shore birds and other wildlife in that area.

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>And then they had an explosion and it spread debris

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>for five miles, including onto like a wildlife refuge.

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, We've talked about this in past episodes. None of

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>these things is this in isolation. Once you start affecting

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 3>other species, the circle of life is real. It's not

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 3>going to just be Oh, it's just this five miles,

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 3>no big deal. The ripple effects from these types of interactions,

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.959
<v Speaker 3>these negative interactions with our environment, We're going to feel it.

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 2>And while there's a lot of negatives to consider and

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 2>things we have to watch out for, there are also

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>a ton of positives and potentials too.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a huge potential for space to be

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>for good if we keep it for science and exploration,

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>not to exploit resources, not to exploit other human beings.

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>But if we go there humbly seeking knowledge, then that

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 1>can be really, really exciting. And I think probably the

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>most exciting aspect of it is the big question are

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>we alone in the universe? What is our place in

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the cosmos? And we are close to answering that question.

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, we have been looking at Mars for the

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>last forty years or so as potentially the best place

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 1>in the Solar System to perhaps find life. We have

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>not found it in our many flybys and orbits and

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>rovers on the surface, but there are new emerging sites

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of astrobiological interest in our Solar system. And I'm talking

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>about the icy ocean world, moons of Jupiter and Saturn,

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>places like Europa and Enceladus, where underneath their thick icy

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>crust there could be a vibrant ocean filled with all

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.959
<v Speaker 1>kinds of alien life that would just be fascinating to

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>see and explore in an ethical way. We can't just

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>go and take them and capture them. Can't do that,

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>but there are ways I think that we could, maybe

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>without being too invasive, visit them and see who's there.

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 3>This is a really great point, and I think that

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 3>there is a tiny bit of hope that we might

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 3>be able to explore space in an ethical way. There

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 3>is a United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs, so

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 3>they operate similar to the United Nations that we know,

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 3>where they convene a lot of space experts and they

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 3>are able to make decisions about space issues and how

0:32:55.600 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 3>we should be interacting with space on an international level. Also,

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 3>just like the United Nations, the United Nations Office for

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Outer Space Affairs, they have a very limited enforcement capacity,

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 3>so if folks are in violation, there may not be

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 3>much that they can do. But there is something called

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>the National Space Council, which you know has been around

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 3>for a long time, I think since nineteen eighty nine,

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 3>and it's chaired by Kamala Harris, our vice president, and

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 3>on September ninth, they're meeting to discuss a new rules

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 3>framework for commercial space, so that's including a potential partnership

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 3>between regulatory agencies and the private sector.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, this makes me think about the most exciting

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>recent news about the James web Telescope.

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh my gosh. The images that came out from

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 3>the telescope were breathtaking, honestly, and I think it got

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people's minds moving about. Wow, this universe

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 3>is so vast, and when you think about how far

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 3>away those images were taken from, it's just I can't

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 3>think about it too much because, you know me, if

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I start thinking about how big the universe is, I

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 3>start to feel like I am being crushed by the universe.

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, low key, who don't know.

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 3>I can't think about it.

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot out there, friend, It's a lot to

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>feel crushed by. That's all I'll say. I think the

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 2>most exciting news for me from the James Webb telescope

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 2>was about the presence of water on an exoplanet, Like

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>they saw the potential because they saw what looked like

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>evidence of clouds, water, vapor, and hazes. And that's not

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>the only thing.

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 3>There's a team that was led by the University of

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Montreal and they used observations from NASA's Transiting Exoplanet Survey satellite.

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 3>We'll call it Test for short, to discover an Earth

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 3>like exoplanet that could potentially support life.

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Hey, one exoplanet door opens, we'll say another one closes,

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 2>but it seems like another one.

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Opens, another opens, perpetual doors, door after door after door.

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 2>It's the Russian doll of planet.

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's that kind of thing that is going to

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>yield what we call a biosignature, which is not discovering

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>life itself, but discovering a sign that we know is

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>associated with biological processes. As a planetary level.

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, you know, that gets us one step

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 2>closer for all space kind to lead communication.

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's always really interesting to wonder what

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>is possible with space. And I am always skeptical of

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 1>anybody who says that space is our destiny or certain

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>engagements or uses of space are like preordained. Space is

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>a series of choices and it's always open for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Space is not a utopian, transformative place. Space is a

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<v Speaker 1>place where all of our earthly problems are reproduced or

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<v Speaker 1>even amplified, And we got to remember that. We can't

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<v Speaker 1>think of it as a separate realm. It's an extension

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<v Speaker 1>of us and our values.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really exciting, and it's a really exciting time to

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<v Speaker 3>be aware of what's going on and being to keep

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<v Speaker 3>track of it and seeing how far we've come. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking about less than one hundred years that we've

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<v Speaker 3>been going to space, and now we have these really

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<v Speaker 3>amazing images. We know so much more. We've done a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>We've done a lot in a short amount of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think if I were to give us a grade,

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<v Speaker 2>we started out the first few semesters looking rough a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of military, a lot of the wrong ideas. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, at our midterms we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>turned it around. Only time will tell if we will

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<v Speaker 2>get an a moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Only time will sounds like my undergrad career turned off.

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<v Speaker 2>And look at you down getting paper all right, TC,

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<v Speaker 2>you ready for one thing?

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<v Speaker 3>I sure, am, what's your one thing? Ze?

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<v Speaker 2>My one thing this week is you know I said

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<v Speaker 2>I was interested in space, in learning about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should all ways take lessons from the

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<v Speaker 2>past and now this is fiction, but I think we

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<v Speaker 2>need to just make sure we're looking at it and

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<v Speaker 2>considering the lessons. There was a new movie called Pray

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<v Speaker 2>that just came out and it's kind of playing on

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<v Speaker 2>the Predator series of films. Pray is on Hulu and

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<v Speaker 2>I watched it and I loved it. So that's my

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, and I hope other folks are into it too.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a science fiction person, I want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you. I want to know if you like Prey

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<v Speaker 2>or if you didn't like it, and if you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like it, what else do you recommend? What's your one thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Tt My one thing this week is Serena Williams. So

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<v Speaker 3>when this episode comes out, it'll be a few weeks

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<v Speaker 3>post but she announced her retirement and I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>so exciting because I love when super athletes get the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to explore other sides of themselves. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>she's really into fashion. She had her own fashion line.

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<v Speaker 3>So my one thing this week is Serena Williams and

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<v Speaker 3>cheers in to her success as one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>athletes of all time, if not the greatest athlete of

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<v Speaker 3>all time and seeing what else she has to give

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<v Speaker 3>the world. I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's it for Lab seventy seven. How are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready to go to space? Are you thinking

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<v Speaker 2>we should reconsider and read some more literature on the subject.

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<v Speaker 2>Call us at two zero two five six seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>zero two eight and tell us what you thought, or

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<v Speaker 2>you could give us an idea for a lab you

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<v Speaker 2>think we should do the semester. That's two zero two

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<v Speaker 2>five six seven seven zero two eight.

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