1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Shoe. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: I was sent a post on Facebook by a pupo 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: who said, this is your kind of story, And it 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: was a post by a fellow named Larry McDougall, and 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: it was talking about being a cop, why he went 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: back to being a cop. And Larry McDougall's been around 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: the political world in Houston Harris County for years. He 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: was general counsel for the Republican part fort Member Republican Party. 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: He's held various positions. He was a state bar of 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: Texas president I believe, or one of the senior officers statewide. 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: And he's a guy that if you're around the political process, 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: you know his name. We're not close friends, but a 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: lot of people I know their name and I see 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: their name keep popping up. So the guy sends me 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: this email says, you know, somebody curates a piece for 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: me and tells me why I would find it interesting. 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to take the time to read it. So 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: it was a post from Larry McDougal on his Facebook 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: page and it went as follows. I am frequently asked 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: why with my background did I take a job as 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: a patrolman with the multon Police Department. So allow me 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: to answer this. I want to save one more life 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: before I get called home. I've performed CPR seven times 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: now I have two saves. This guy's like a modern 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 2: day Mojo. He's like our dentist. He's like Guy Lewis 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: out just saving people at the Astros Game and Inspirity 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: Suite with a triple pump. I've pulled people out of 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: a burning car. 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: I have. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: Sorry. I've pulled people out of a burning home as well, 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: and I stopped the bleeding until ems arrived. I mean, 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: you ain't done nothing. I've caught a rapist in the act. 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: I've pulled men off their wives when they were beating them. 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: In a few wives off their husbands. My brother used 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: to say, when he get called to a domestic disturbance, 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: you just never know which one's beating us not out 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: of the other one. And he said, you've never seen 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: a wife who loves her husband more. Then you show 39 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 2: up and they're in a fight and she's hit him, 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: and then he hits her back, so she calls the 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: cops because she knows she wins, and they show up 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: and she slaps him around a little to try to 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: bait him into hitting her one more time, and he 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: won't do it, and then finally he can't stand it 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: and he knocks her out, punches her real hard. My 46 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: brother say, you know you lock him, you cuff him, 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: and you start to don't take my husband. He's all 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: I got. What does say you called me here to 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: take him? It's a dirty business man who man, I 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: have pulled him in off their wives when they were 51 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: beating them. In a few wives off their husbands. You 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: see that. You'll see these wives beating their husband. I mean, 53 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: you got to get them out of there. I have 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: found lost children. I cannot remember how many thieves, robbers 55 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: and burglars I've caught. Unfortunately, I've had people dye in 56 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: my arms, but at least they did not die alone. 57 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: I want to do it one more time while I 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: still can, and the police department always gets there first. 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: That's why we call the fire department second responders. The 60 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: police fire rivalry is one of the funniest things in 61 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: the world. They both go at each other. Second. I 62 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: love the community of Molten. I've been Popo there for 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: six months now and I have yet to have a 64 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: single person be rude or disrespectful to me, I spend 65 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: much of my day just waving and waving back, visiting 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: with people when I'm on patrol. It's a clean, friendly, 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: rural Texas community, almost like being taken back to the past. 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: And I probably shouldn't publicize them, but many of the 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: residents do not lock their doors because they don't have 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: to live in fear. But why, I'm alten? This is 71 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: where the answer gets a little more complicated. But it's 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: the popo. It's not the funding or the pay, but 73 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: the officers who make up the department. So he went 74 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: through this whole thing. And here's a guy who Price's Law, 75 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: does these different things and had been I looked him 76 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: up and had been a law enforcement officer earlier in 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: his life and kind of feels this desire to go 78 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: back and do something. You know, people used to make 79 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: fun of the Walmart greeterer when they still had greets, 80 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: and I always felt like that was the wrong thing 81 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: to do, because there's two reasons somebody becomes a Walmart reader. 82 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: Number One, they really need the money because it's always 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: old guys. Remember old guys and old women. And for 84 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: those of you too young to remember, you'd walk into 85 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: Walmart and they would be a greeter. They'd be wearing 86 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: the little blue jacket and they would just literally greet 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 2: you pleasantly and be real sweet and if you needed something, 88 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: that directs you toward that aisle. But they were there 89 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: because they were a smile as the face and the 90 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: front of a cold, soulless corporation full of a bunch 91 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: of cheap commodities from China. There were two reasons somebody 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: was doing that. Number one, they needed the money, in 93 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: which case, why are you making fun of an old 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: person that, instead of going on welfare is getting out 95 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: there working, Because a lot of them were old, and 96 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: that was part of the charms. They were so old. 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: Why are you making fun of somebody that's having to 98 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: bust their ass late in life but is doing it. 99 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: Or Number two, they were doing it because they were 100 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: bored at home and interacting with you was actually a 101 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: highlight of their day. Now, I'm not saying this feller 102 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: Larry McDougall was figuring out Walmart reader or police officer. 103 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: But I think there's people all over the country that 104 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: are sitting at home board and oh, I'll get the email, Michael. 105 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 2: Nobody wants to hire us no more. If we're old, 106 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: that's bull you're on. Indeed, don't give me excuses. I 107 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: hate the ex uses. How do you know nobody wants 108 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: to hire you? Well, you know, you can just tell 109 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: or I applied for three jobs and I didn't get them. Well, yeah, 110 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: there's also a twenty three year old that didn't get him. 111 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: Why didn't he get it? If you want, if you 112 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: have skills to offer, if you have skills to offer 113 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: and experience and a good heart and a willingness, and 114 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: you're not crippled, although sometimes even for the crippled, depending 115 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: on John, communities need you. I loved this story. I 116 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: loved this story so much. I was so glad he posted. 117 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: I hope it pulls a few more law enforcement officers 118 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: out to go out and work in Fayette County and Moulton. 119 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: And he's our guest, Larry McDougall, Welcome to the program. 120 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 3: What having me? 121 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: I love your post? What's going through your mind you 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: when you make this post? Where are you sitting? What 123 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: made you say I gotta do this? 124 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: Well? 125 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 4: I get a lot of you know, having been a 126 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: lawyer and had a successful law practice, A lot of 127 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: people asked me why would you give that up, retire 128 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: from your law practice, and then go be a police officer. 129 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: And I've always been a police officer at heart. I 130 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 4: started in law enforcement when I was nineteen, and I actually, 131 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: even though I was a lawyer, I stayed active in 132 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: law enforcement until twenty eighteen, when I decided it was 133 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: probably time for me to retire. But I missed it. 134 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 4: And what I miss is helping people. I mean, it's 135 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: being a police officer. You're there in their most immediate 136 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: time of crisis, and we have an opportunity as police 137 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: officers to help people really like no other. And I 138 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 4: missed that, and that's one of the reasons rip them. 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: I went back. 140 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: Hold on. You know Wayne Stanfield of Carol James Fan, 141 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: he went back to you sent me a picture of 142 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: his uniform trapping young Buck in his uniform? Yeah, man, 143 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: where's the uniform? Weve we know that about it. Larry 144 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: McDougall posted that how old are. 145 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: You, Larry? Sixty seven? 146 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: Sixty seven? So tell me about the day you call? 147 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: Is is the chief Daniel Bayer? No, that's that's hpd H. 148 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: Who is the Chief of Moulton. 149 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: Daniel Bayer? 150 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: Oh, it is Daniel byer. Okay, so when you when 151 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: you decide that you want to do this, do you 152 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: call him? Do you walk in the door? How does 153 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: that work? 154 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: Well? 155 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 4: Actually that they've been kind of hitting me up for 156 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: a while because I bought a retirement home outside of Moulton, 157 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: and uh, I give you the kind of long story, 158 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 4: short is I had a good guy with a gun 159 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 4: murder case that I tried where I walked the good 160 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: guy out with a not guilty, told my wife that 161 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: was the icing on the cake with a cherry on top. 162 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 4: And then I showed up a couple of days later 163 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: in Daniel's office and said, let's do it. 164 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: How about that? And so what does that? What'd that 165 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: process look like? 166 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: I had to get my t CO license back up 167 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 4: to speed. There was classes I had to take. I 168 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 4: had to take a physical and at sixty seven I 169 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: passed it, and I had to take a psychological and 170 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 4: then I had to do a little bit of training 171 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: and get me back up to speed. And now they've 172 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: turned me loose. 173 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: So how long had it been since you'd been in 174 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: a patrol car when you went back out there. 175 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: I retired from law enforcement from the Columbia Brazoria school 176 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 4: district in June of eighteen and and it'd been missing 177 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 4: it ever since. I mean, it's your brother could probably 178 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: tell you. It's Once you're out there and you become 179 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 4: part of it, it gets in your. 180 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: Blood, you know. 181 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: Larry, my other qualified for retirement at I think he 182 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: had thirty years when he was fifty two, let's say, 183 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: and he qualified for his full retirement. His needs were simple. He, 184 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, every five years, would get a four f 185 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: one fifty. That was his big indulgence. He had a 186 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: few acres out in the in the country in Harper 187 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: where he had a little fifth wheel he'd placed out there. 188 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: He didn't buy new clothes, he didn't. He had a 189 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: home he had built. It was very modest. I mean, 190 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: he lived very lean. So he didn't have a lot 191 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: of expenses. So he could retire so he wouldn't have 192 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: to deal with with this. He'd been a patrol officer, 193 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: he'd been swat, he'd been undercover. He'd done a lot 194 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: of stuff that I think takes its toll on a body. 195 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: And we talked about on a mind. And so he 196 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 2: was so eager to retire, and he retired in six 197 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: months and his wife said, you got to go back 198 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: to work. You're miserable, like how many episodes of Sanfords 199 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: are you going to watch? And so he did. He 200 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: went back to work and his last job, I noticed 201 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: that you posted about how much you love the community 202 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: of Moulton. His last job was Vider Police Department because 203 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: a guy that he had gone through the academy with 204 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 2: thirty two years earlier was now the chief of police 205 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: invited and he called him and said, Chris, why don't 206 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: you come back to work? And he called me one 207 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: day and he said, Michael, it makes me almost want 208 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: to cry. He wasn't a crier. He said, I stopped 209 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: to eat my lunch and I can't pay for my lunch. 210 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: I get up to the counter and they say, somebody 211 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: paid for it already, or we're paying for it. He said, 212 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: I've never been treated like this. He was Jefferson County 213 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 2: all years. I've never been treated like this. The people 214 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: of viter are the nicest people in the world. 215 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: So it's nice if that's Molten out as a Milton. 216 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 4: People appreciate us in those small communities like that. Are 217 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: you working to They like, no, I'm off today, I 218 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 4: don't come back until next week. 219 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: So do you have a spot? It's kind of the 220 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 2: cops spot used to be Burton Cafe for cops in 221 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: you know, outside of Brenham. Back when I had a 222 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 2: place out there, a lot of cops would go to 223 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: Burton Cafe. But do you have a place in Molton 224 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: where you go? 225 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: Not? Well? 226 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: Home my wife for forty seven years. When I need 227 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 4: to take a break, I go spend time with her. 228 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: Good for you forty seven years and you're sixty seven. 229 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: So you were eighteen when you met her like I 230 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: was with my wife. 231 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 3: Yep, met her of Wharton Junior College. 232 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: How about that? How about that? 233 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: That is? 234 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: That is fantastic? Did wait, Ramon? Did you're not part 235 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: of this? Ramon's dad went to Wharton Junior College. I'm 236 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: not not sure why we're bringing that up right now. 237 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 2: Did you used to live on Maryland Street in Rosenberg? 238 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: I did? 239 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: And your son, Larry Jr. 240 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: Is a lawyer, Yes it is. 241 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: And your friends with Ray Stephanie's dad, he's a bit 242 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: he's a big landown. I can't remember Stephanie's maiden name. Well, 243 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: his son in law, Cody Johnson's a good friend of 244 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: mine and he sent me a message. 245 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: I know Cody Johns you're talking to Ray More. 246 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, how would you describe Cody? Yes, and this is 247 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: not judgment, but if a guy had if a guy 248 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: was on the run, you he'd just broken into a 249 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: place and you were way away from your car. But 250 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: you were calling in and you were describing Cody Johnson 251 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 2: to dispatch, how would you describe him? 252 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: Big? 253 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: How big? 254 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: Cody Johnson grew up down the street from me. Yeah, 255 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 4: and uh, I mean when I was a kid. But 256 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: you know, he when he was a kid, and I 257 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: was in the Rosenberg Fire Department for a while, and 258 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: so was his dad. So I've watched him grow up. 259 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: He's a good dude. 260 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, all my best friends, Oh he's well then you 261 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: know he's crazy tootely. Not crazy in. 262 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: A bad way, crazy in a funny way. 263 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: Well that's debatabook. Let me ask you about let me 264 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: you know you're not a young man anymore. My brother 265 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: used to say I'm a better cop as an old 266 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: man and a young man because I make better decisions 267 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: and I don't try to create drama or aggression or 268 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: a fight or conflict. I try to I try to 269 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: deflect it. When I was younger, I thought I was 270 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: mad enough to defeat it. Now I realize you don't 271 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: want to do that. How are you a better cop now? 272 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: At sixty seven? 273 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: I think things out more and as you get older. 274 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 4: I mean when I was young, we would just go 275 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 4: bareling into something, and I've learned to talk. 276 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: My way out of it. 277 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: I've learned how to better defuse situations. 278 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: And true, you know, being. 279 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: A lawyer is kind of cool because I could give 280 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: people legal advice right there on the side when they 281 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 4: need it. 282 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: Hold on just a moment, Larry mcdoogle is I guess 283 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: if you start looking around or a way to give back, 284 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: you start with the high minded idea that you're going 285 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: to do something for other people, but you find out 286 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: you're doing it for yourself when people say thank you 287 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: for doing this or that for that person. I am 288 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: very honest when I say anything I do that is 289 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: perceived as nice, as completely, utterly, one hundred percent selfish. 290 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: I feel better about myself if I do something for 291 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: someone else. We all do. It's not wrong with that, 292 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: it's a good thing. We should encourage people that you 293 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: will feel better when you do for other people. We 294 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: should stop with this nonsense of oh I must saint 295 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: I find no derive, no joy from this. I do 296 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: it absolutely joylessly, because if I got any joy out 297 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: of it, it wouldn't be noble. No. Learn to incentivize 298 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: the behaviors you want in society and you'll get more 299 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: of that, Believe it or not. Larry McDougall is getting 300 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: more out of this than the community is, and they're 301 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: having a ball with it because now he wakes up 302 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: in the morning and he's needed, he's wanted, he's appreciated, 303 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: everything's fresh again. The last day you were a cop 304 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: is not nearly as fun as the first day back 305 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: after you've been away. That's what my brother told me. 306 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: Everything that I was tired of, bored of, sick of. 307 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: After thirty years, I realized, Oh I'm good at this. 308 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: I enjoy this. 309 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: This is fun. 310 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: Larry McDougall, Larry Jess, Michael. Yes, Michael, has there been 311 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: a moment since you came back that you have for 312 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: a second regretted it? 313 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: No, I really have it. 314 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: It's my wife thinks I'm probably a little nutty because 315 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 4: I love. 316 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: Being out there. I love being on the streets. 317 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 4: I love meeting, talking and helping people, and you're one 318 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: hundred percent right. It is a selfish thing. But it's 319 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 4: it's selfish because it gives me a feeling of purpose 320 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 4: of self worth and that's what I get out of 321 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 4: it when I'm out there helping people. You know, as 322 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 4: a police officer, it's just a part time spot that 323 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: I have. I worked maybe six to seven days a month. 324 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 4: We work twelve hour shifts and just like Wayne Stanfield 325 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: does it too there at Moulton, and it's you know, 326 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 4: it gives you that feeling that you have. I mean, 327 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: and I hope I instilled that in my kids because 328 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: my three daughters all became teachers and two of them 329 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 4: are now principals and the other one went back to 330 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 4: the church and from public school and it's teaching at 331 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 4: a Catholic school. So and they get that too, you know, 332 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 4: when they're doing it as teachers, you get that feeling 333 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 4: that you've accomplished something, you've done something good. And it's 334 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 4: almost like a drug. 335 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: It is. It is. It's the same reaction, it's the 336 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: same feelings, it's the same awesomeness. So did you tell 337 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: me where isn't there a molten cafe? Where do you 338 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: stop and eat most days if you're on. 339 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 3: Duty, I actually go home. 340 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: Oh said, that's what I was trying to remember what 341 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: you said it was. But there is a Molten cafe. 342 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 4: Not a Molten cafe. We have Klazels, which is the steakhouse, 343 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: which is really nice. You're not going to find a 344 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 4: better cheese burgner in Texas than Brian's, which is like. 345 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: A little dairy queen there. Uh. 346 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 4: There is a little taco stand in Molten. It's a 347 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 4: little trailer right by the railroad tracks. It's got the 348 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 4: best crispy tacos you've ever ate. And then we have 349 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: a Mexican restaurant in town and that's it. I mean, 350 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: that's all we have in Molten as far as any place. 351 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: There's no cafe type deal where you can get breakfast, lunch, dinner, 352 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: simple food, comfort food. 353 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 4: There's Alley's Barbecue that serves a breakfast and they're pretty good. 354 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 4: I mean it's it's a breakfast lunch, but they're not 355 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 4: open in the evenings. No, the it's we really don't 356 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 4: have that much in Molten as far as places to 357 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: eat out and uh, but again I take my time away, 358 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 4: I come home, sit down with a wife, tell her 359 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 4: what's going on, We talk gossip. 360 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: Whatever she cooks something, she's check. She cooks all right. 361 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 4: I've always said check women. They don't cook for health, 362 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 4: they cook for flavor. They make comfort food. 363 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. 364 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 3: I like that. 365 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: Well, I love this story. I just wanted to share 366 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: this story quickly. I got a message from Carol James 367 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 2: with the picture of Wayne Stanfield in his uniform and 368 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: he's going back and done this. I'm not saying that 369 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: folks at sixty seven ont to get back on the 370 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: gang unit at HPD, but I am saying that we 371 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: all have gifts, and why let them. You know, there's 372 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: a certain frustration to the idea that you know, your 373 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: skills are not being used anymore. Somebody wants those skills. Now, 374 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: it might not be the first person to whom you 375 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: offer them, it might not, but somebody wants your skills. 376 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: Out there. 377 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: Somebody could use your skills, and you would feel wonderful 378 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: putting them to use. And that, you know, not everybody 379 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: is the big city cop you see on TV. There 380 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: might be a little position out in little Molten that 381 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: would like somebody to come out there and take care 382 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: of the little old ladies. But here's our tribute to 383 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: the cops. Paul Harvey style. 384 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: A policeman is a compositive What all men are, I 385 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: guess a mingling of Satan, center, dust, and deity called 386 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: statistics wave. The fan over stinkers underscore instances of dishonesty 387 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: and brutality because they are news. What that really means 388 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: is that they are except they are unusual. They are 389 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: not commonplace buried under the fraud is the fact, And 390 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: the fact is the less than one half of one 391 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: percent of policemen misfit that uniform, and that is a 392 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: better average than you'd find among clergymen. What is a policeman? He, 393 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: of all men, is at once the most needed and 394 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: the most wanted, a strangely nameless creature who is served 395 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: to his face and pig or worse behind his back. 396 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: He must be such a diplomat that he can settle 397 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: differences between individuals so that each will think he won. 398 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: But if a policeman is neat, he's conceited. If he's careless, 399 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: he's a bum. If he's pleasant, he's a flirt. If 400 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: he's not, he's a grouch. He must make instant decisions 401 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: which would require months for a lawyer, but if he hurries, 402 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: he's careless. If he's delivered, he's lazy. He must be 403 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: first to an accident, infallible with the diagnosis. He must 404 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: be able to start breathing, stop bleeding, ty splints, and 405 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: above all, be sure the victim goes home without a 406 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: limp or expect to be sued. The police officer must 407 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: know every gun draw on the run and hit where 408 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt. He must be able to whip two 409 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: men twice his size and half his age without damaging 410 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: his uniform and without being brutal. If you hit him, 411 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. 412 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must 413 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: know where all of the sin is and not partake. 414 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: The policeman from a single human hair must be able 415 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: to describe the crime. The weapmon the criminal and tell 416 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: you where the criminal is hiding. But if he catches 417 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: the criminal, he's lucky. If he doesn't, he's a dunce. 418 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 1: If he gets promoted, he has a political pool. If 419 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't, he's a dullard. The policeman must chase bum 420 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: leads to a dead end, stake out ten nights to 421 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: tag one witness who saw it happen but refuses to remember. 422 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: He runs files and writes reports until his eyes ache 423 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: to build a case against some felon who will get 424 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: dealed out by a shameless, shamous or an honorable who 425 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: isn't honorable. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, 426 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: a diplomat, a tough guy, and a gentleman. And of 427 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: course he'll have to be a genius because he'll have 428 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: to feed a family on a policeman's salary. 429 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: Listen, Tomway. 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