Speaker 1: Hi everyone. I'm Julia Hart.
Speaker 2: I'm the star of my un Orthodox Life and the
Speaker 2: author of the best selling book Raiser Uh, the owner
Speaker 2: and CEO of Body by Julia Heart, which is a
Speaker 2: shape our brand, and the mom of some really amazing children.
Speaker 1: My two daughters are here with us today. But and
Speaker 1: here Hey, hi everyone, I'm but Shava.
Speaker 3: I am the oldest of the Heart and I am
Speaker 3: on my North Fox life as well. And I also
Speaker 3: do content full time. So if you guys aren't following
Speaker 3: me on Instagram, TikTok, snapchat, YouTube, all of the places you
Speaker 3: I do a lot of like fun lifestyle girly content
Speaker 3: for all my single ladies out there.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and I'm Mariam.
Speaker 4: I'm the youngest daughter in the family and I'm so
Speaker 4: happy to be on this podcast. I do all things tech,
Speaker 4: so I do tech consulting. You can check out my website.
Speaker 4: But that I have a podcast called Faking It, and
Speaker 4: I like to say that faking it is not not
Speaker 4: faking orgasms and more fake it till you make it, uh,
Speaker 4: And so definitely check out my podcast. And I'm super
Speaker 4: excited to be talking with you all.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, Yeah, this is that we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We figured we're gonna I'm gonna ask them questions that
Speaker 1: we got and then they're gonna ask me questions and
Speaker 1: hopefully a little gender, some fun conversation. All right, here
Speaker 1: we go. Watch that. I'm Miriam. Both of you explain
Speaker 1: your relationship with mom. Mm hmm, I love going first. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think people I feel like, if you watch the show,
Speaker 3: you see that we have a very unique relationship with
Speaker 3: our mom. It's very I think people say that we're friends,
Speaker 3: but I always say that there's a very clear distinction
Speaker 3: between mother daughter. We have a very big sense of
Speaker 3: respect for our mom and that line has never been crossed.
Speaker 3: So as close as we are, we all have that
Speaker 3: friendship mom, but we also have that mother daughter and
Speaker 3: there's that level that we don't cross in that sense
Speaker 3: where I feel like sometimes we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm so close to my mom, and then they like,
Speaker 3: you know, we'll yell back or things like that. It's like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that would never happen. So I feel
Speaker 3: like people are always interested in.
Speaker 1: Learning about that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no, Like I love my mom
Speaker 3: super super closer. I could tell her anything, but she
Speaker 3: is my mom, and I think that's a hard balance
Speaker 3: for parents to have, whether like being very close with
Speaker 3: their children but still also being like a form of authority.
Speaker 1: My mom walks that line very well, cool, beautiful.
Speaker 4: Okay, So well, just one thought on that was, since
Speaker 4: you were the oldest, was Ema like, would you say
Speaker 4: was like the toughest on you?
Speaker 1: Or like, was she like what do you think?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, I think every oldest child knows that you
Speaker 3: get the most. Everything is way more strict than you.
Speaker 3: I bet time, Yeah, I I yeah, I mean I don't.
Speaker 3: My mom was never strict, but we were all really
Speaker 3: good kids, so I think we never had to have
Speaker 3: like too many rules. But whatever rules he did have,
Speaker 3: we like really followed them. And then my youngest brother.
Speaker 1: He never had.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of watch whatever he wanted, hang
Speaker 3: out with his friends whenever. But you know what, there's
Speaker 3: like a guarantee between being I'm still happy to be
Speaker 3: the oldest. How does it feel being a middle child?
Speaker 4: I would say another benefit of Ema in terms of
Speaker 4: our relationship is you're also like my business coach, you know,
Speaker 4: like if I had your mother like in friends end.
Speaker 1: And then also business coach like, momitor, well, don't say that.
Speaker 4: But yes, I think that's the truth. It's like, what's special?
Speaker 1: I got to protect my family.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't sign a contract without mommy looking
Speaker 2: at it first.
Speaker 3: My mom's like, you can't sign a contract contract without
Speaker 3: showing them to make I know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You learn very valuable lessons with our mom every day
Speaker 3: from from all different avenues. We call our mom E
Speaker 3: short for Ema, which means mother and Hebrew. So if
Speaker 3: you ever hear us referring to my mom as E,
Speaker 3: that is why.
Speaker 6: So I'm just at like, I'm just I think it works.
Speaker 6: I want my grandchildren to call me just the letter.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm the letter.
Speaker 2: I think it's like, oh my god, no, but can
Speaker 2: you imagine me, buddy grandma.
Speaker 1: That's not happening people, So it's going to be everyone's
Speaker 1: just gonna call it better than because as first we
Speaker 1: call yeah, which is like yeah, he sounds like the letter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what do you want to ask me? Are your
Speaker 1: favorite things about us? Oh?
Speaker 2: My goodness, okay, how which time do we act? She
Speaker 2: only said thirty minutes. Okay, I'll start with you because
Speaker 2: you're the oldest. So what do I love about Eva
Speaker 2: or so many things, so many things, I would say
Speaker 2: number one, she made me a mom so first and foremost,
Speaker 2: and she is. We're very different in so many ways, right,
Speaker 2: And I have so much admiration for the past that
Speaker 2: she's in.
Speaker 1: She's a complete self starter.
Speaker 2: She's crazy hardworking, she has an extraordinary work ethic, and
Speaker 2: she goes for what she wants and then she gets it,
Speaker 2: you know, And like.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud that she made the move to Miami.
Speaker 2: I think that's not an easy thing to do, to
Speaker 2: pick up from such a close knit family and go somewhere.
Speaker 1: And I'm so happy because you look so happy and
Speaker 1: you just belong there. You look amazing. She just I'm
Speaker 1: so happy that you look so happy. And you know,
Speaker 1: you're a manifestor you go after what you want.
Speaker 2: I'm totally in awe of how fearless she is with guys,
Speaker 2: like you'll like you'll be the person asking someone out
Speaker 2: and I haven't learned how to do that yet.
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. I'm work in progress. So I
Speaker 1: just you know, she's.
Speaker 2: My dating guru and my confidence coach in all things dating,
Speaker 2: and I really admire her.
Speaker 1: Just thinks She's incredible and also like when they should hit.
Speaker 2: Them fan in my life, my family's there for me
Speaker 2: and the ways that every mother dreams of, honestly, and Miriam.
Speaker 1: Miriam is the reason I left the community.
Speaker 2: She's the reason I started my exodus journey.
Speaker 1: She is a fearless feminist. I'm so proud of the
Speaker 1: fact that she stands up for the Jewish people, she
Speaker 1: stands up for women, she stands up for lgbtqia. She
Speaker 1: is a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 2: And I'm proud that she lives her life openly and
Speaker 2: authentically without apology to a single humanity.
Speaker 1: So I have pretty awesome kids. I kind of like them.
Speaker 3: I feel like what's unique about our family is that
Speaker 3: we all have, like you know, we obviously have some
Speaker 3: similar interests and a lot of things that we do together,
Speaker 3: but we also all have different things that like empower
Speaker 3: us or we're interested in. But then we learn ways
Speaker 3: to all connect through those things together, like whether it's
Speaker 3: like I love like the spiritual up and I've like
Speaker 3: introduced my family to that, and we're all like open
Speaker 3: to learning different things from each other, and we all
Speaker 3: have a lot of just like I mean just from
Speaker 3: this like a lot of beautiful positive things easily to
Speaker 3: say about each other because definitely we genuinely I think.
Speaker 3: I remember we had just come out with the second
Speaker 3: season and we were in Brazil for New Years and
Speaker 3: this like family came over to us and they were like, wow,
Speaker 3: you guys are actually.
Speaker 1: Close, Like they thought that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're like you seem like you like really like
Speaker 3: love hanging out together, and we're like we.
Speaker 1: Do everything together. Like.
Speaker 2: I started Omnation, which is this website, basically to help
Speaker 2: change the trajectory of social media because right now, you
Speaker 2: support Jewish people, you get attacked, you lose followers, you
Speaker 2: lose job. It's very scary out there. So I had
Speaker 2: this concept that people will sign on to Omnation. The
Speaker 2: more hundreds of thousands of people sign on. When someone
Speaker 2: gets attacked, Omnation comes to the rescue and sends a
Speaker 2: lot of love their way, sends a lot of follows
Speaker 2: their way to support them so that they don't feel
Speaker 2: low and bind enemy lines. And Miriam created the website.
Speaker 2: Miriam did all the content. We have a show that
Speaker 2: we're working on together. Obviously I'm not allowed to say
Speaker 2: what network in the name of the show, but I
Speaker 2: think people know that another show is coming and we're
Speaker 2: all three in that as well. But Chevin and I
Speaker 2: have invented a pickle brand together. It's like we do
Speaker 2: everything together.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Shlomo is my business partner every single business I have.
Speaker 2: He's the CEO of my shapewear brand, and he is
Speaker 2: like a partner of mine and so many other endeavors.
Speaker 2: What advice should we give people to like how we've
Speaker 2: maintained this really incredible relationship where we let ourselves be ourselves,
Speaker 2: but we also do everything together.
Speaker 1: What do you think you would say?
Speaker 3: I think I obviously give my mom that credit for
Speaker 3: allowing us to all have our own interests and never
Speaker 3: forcing us to do anything.
Speaker 1: It was more like, well what do you want to do?
Speaker 3: And then I think when I was younger, sometimes that
Speaker 3: would be like, well what do you think I should do?
Speaker 3: Because like, you want like your mom's advice. But my
Speaker 3: mom raised us very independently where we needed, like if
Speaker 3: we wanted something, we needed to like figure out at
Speaker 3: a certain point.
Speaker 1: I remember I wanted to go to sleepway can't.
Speaker 3: My Mom's like, okay, apply, I'll pay for it, I'll
Speaker 3: take care of it. But you need to learn how
Speaker 3: to take those steps yourself. So I think my mom
Speaker 3: did an amazing job about like learning up, like teaching
Speaker 3: us responsibility, while also like, obviously we grew up. I'm
Speaker 3: very thankful, like we had amazing opportunities, but she taught
Speaker 3: us that you have to like work for things, things
Speaker 3: aren't handed to you. We saw our mom work really
Speaker 3: really hard. So I think understanding that, like what you
Speaker 3: can learn from your parents is very important, and like
Speaker 3: being able to have.
Speaker 1: The ability to explore what we are.
Speaker 3: Interested in instead of being like sometimes I think parents
Speaker 3: are like, this is what you should do, regardless if
Speaker 3: the kid wants to do that or not, and that's
Speaker 3: where you kind of are like, well, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to ask your advice because you don't know what You're
Speaker 3: telling me what you think I should be doing versus
Speaker 3: what I actually want to be doing. So I think
Speaker 3: having a parent who lets you explore that about yourself
Speaker 3: while also giving you feedback, because obviously you want your
Speaker 3: parents to give you advice, but when you feel like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is my choice too. No one's forcing you to
Speaker 3: do anything just because they are your parents, that's really
Speaker 3: gives you the space to grow and continue seeking their advice.
Speaker 1: Love that what me or you want to time in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think that something that I think is
Speaker 4: really incredible is also that you never, like kind of
Speaker 4: adding onto m chevas that you never told us, like
Speaker 4: you know, whenever you give us your advice, you never
Speaker 4: say this is what you should do. You always say like,
Speaker 4: this is what I think is the best thing to do.
Speaker 4: You're your own and defendent person, and like Rihanna.
Speaker 5: Like I highly encourage and you may consider this thing
Speaker 5: that what I think is probably great to do, but
Speaker 5: then you never say, like you should do this, Like
Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever heard you say that. You've
Speaker 5: always said you've done this thing, and it made it
Speaker 5: made me reflect on that thing, which you should consider
Speaker 5: very deeply, you know, and I really respected that always
Speaker 5: and even even that like I've applied that the way
Speaker 5: that you treated us as we were growing up, and
Speaker 5: even like as in like one of the questions here
Speaker 5: is like how do what ad best do you have
Speaker 5: for daughters and moms who go into business together?
Speaker 4: I think like because you raised us as very independent people,
Speaker 4: it allowed us to go into business together, you know,
Speaker 4: because you taught us how to be how to communicate
Speaker 4: in really all circumstances and familiar circumstances and business circumstances,
Speaker 4: and then we get to be able to do that
Speaker 4: together and also help each other grow during that process,
Speaker 4: which is really cool too, you know. So it's constantly
Speaker 4: like we're growing, we're doing things together familiarly in business,
Speaker 4: and then we're also helping each other grow as people.
Speaker 4: And so I think that's what's so special about this
Speaker 4: family is that we really invest in one another, you know.
Speaker 4: I think, like, I think that's what really makes our
Speaker 4: families special, Yeah, is that there's something in every single
Speaker 4: one of us that we've all agreed in our minds
Speaker 4: to never let go of each other.
Speaker 1: Like I think we've agreed.
Speaker 4: To do that, you know, like just throughout everything we've
Speaker 4: been through in life, we're like, I agree that we
Speaker 4: are going to stick together. That was like a period,
Speaker 4: you know, and we assigned that contract internally. And I
Speaker 4: think that's what makes our relationship, all our relationships so special,
Speaker 4: is that it's something that's constantly growing and developing as
Speaker 4: time goes on because we were not giving up on
Speaker 4: each other, which I really love and it makes me
Speaker 4: feel whole.
Speaker 2: You know that's beautiful, and I think, like from my side,
Speaker 2: you know, I think my job as a.
Speaker 1: Parent was never I never had a vision of what
Speaker 1: your life should be.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a mistake a lot of people make,
Speaker 2: is they have an idea of what their child's life
Speaker 2: should look like, but that's based on what they wanted
Speaker 2: their life to look like. But you have to listen
Speaker 2: to your child. So to me, my job as a
Speaker 2: parent was to figure out what they wanted and then
Speaker 2: find a way to help them get there, because I mean, look,
Speaker 2: we're all very strong people, we're all very highly independent,
Speaker 2: and we have to allow ourselves to be ourselves. And
Speaker 2: I think, you know, that's something we've all fought very
Speaker 2: hard for together.
Speaker 1: And I think that's another thing that makes us very close.
Speaker 2: We've really been through hell together, Like we've had to
Speaker 2: fight for our freedom, we've had to fight for everything
Speaker 2: we have, and we had to do it together. So
Speaker 2: I think that also kind of adds a layer. Like
Speaker 2: I was you never did like the teenageers thing, Like there.
Speaker 1: Was never a time where you didn't think I was cool,
Speaker 1: Like I was the coolest person in like your world,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So do you think our
Speaker 1: relationship is closer. I mean I would think.
Speaker 2: I mean for me, for sure, I think our relationship
Speaker 2: is closer now than before.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think we always had Like growing up, I always
Speaker 3: hung out with my mom.
Speaker 1: I would play hooky, we go.
Speaker 3: Shopping together, like, So I don't I feel like it's
Speaker 3: just different because I'm an adult now versus being a child.
Speaker 1: So I don't think. I think we were always close.
Speaker 1: But I don't think there's been a huge significant change
Speaker 1: versus age. It's just age.
Speaker 3: Like when I was a child, the relationship look different
Speaker 3: versus now. But I don't think it had anything to
Speaker 3: do with us being in like a religious community.
Speaker 1: Versus as being It's true. I think it's mostly stay
Speaker 1: It's true, it's just you changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well what do you guys think when you
Speaker 2: hear about my dating? Like, you know, everyone was like, well,
Speaker 2: everybody asks me all the time. Do your kids mind
Speaker 2: that you date younger men? How you kids react to
Speaker 2: your dating? So guys love either, I think, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I do?
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 3: Well, for me, it's like my mom had a twenty
Speaker 3: nine year old boyfriend and it was fun because like
Speaker 3: my boyfriend and we would all hang up and he
Speaker 3: was my age, he was he was my he was
Speaker 3: younger than me. So we had fun barbecues with all
Speaker 3: his friends. Was like always like a big party.
Speaker 1: At the house.
Speaker 3: Do I think my mom will end up with a
Speaker 3: twenty nine year old now we're I personally am pushing
Speaker 3: for my mom to date a guy in his forties.
Speaker 3: So if you guys know of any eligible men who already.
Speaker 2: But there's like no single men in their forties, they're single,
Speaker 2: maybe they're listening to this podcast divorced in their fifties, forties,
Speaker 2: everybody's married.
Speaker 3: No, we're gonna we're looking for an outlier, and I
Speaker 3: think that it will definitely, Like that's what I'm personally
Speaker 3: pushing the sex talk, like, I think it's beautiful that
Speaker 3: we're able to Sometimes I don't now when she's saying something,
Speaker 3: not in a negative I'm just like, I'm good, rare,
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I think that one of the reasons I have such
Speaker 4: a like easy relationship when it comes to talking about sex.
Speaker 4: One of the reasons why like all my friends feel
Speaker 4: like they can confide in me about their sexual whatevers
Speaker 4: is because all nonchalant you always talked about sex. And
Speaker 4: I remember even and this is not even like Clariti,
Speaker 4: not Chloriti, like I remember even in our ulto orthodox community,
Speaker 4: you were always you, you know, despite the restrictions, and
Speaker 4: there was technically no rule that we couldn't talk about sex,
Speaker 4: and so you talked about with us. And I remember
Speaker 4: that when I was twelve years old. This is like
Speaker 4: a memory that sticks in my head, will always stick
Speaker 4: in my head, those twelve years old and I asked you,
Speaker 4: how do gay people have sex? And I looked at you.
Speaker 4: This is at the shop is table, you know, and
Speaker 4: you like the Shabbat table for people who don't know,
Speaker 4: like a ritual every week every weekend that Jews partaken
Speaker 4: the family dinner. And you sat together and you said, well,
Speaker 4: one way does this, another man does that. He said
Speaker 4: exactly what it was, and I was like, oh, that
Speaker 4: makes sense, you know, Like.
Speaker 3: My mom's role was like if you're old enough to ask,
Speaker 3: you're old enough to get an answer.
Speaker 2: So I remember, lie to your children. Don't lie. You
Speaker 2: don't want to answer to state, I'm not going to answer.
Speaker 2: But when you lie, Don'll never ask you again. Don't
Speaker 2: lie to your kids.
Speaker 3: So I remember having a lovely discussion with my like
Speaker 3: seven year old brother about what periods were because he
Speaker 3: had learned, like in a Hebrew study something about like
Speaker 3: woman being impure in the religious world. And we start
Speaker 3: having this full blown conversation. And I remember, like when
Speaker 3: I was like fifteen, being like, oh my god, we're
Speaker 3: talking about periods on the table in front of my dad.
Speaker 3: And my mom was like, no, he asked a question.
Speaker 3: You should never be embarrassed about your body. This is
Speaker 3: part of, you know, the human experience, and even though
Speaker 3: he's small, if he was able to ask, he should
Speaker 3: receive a real answer. And then yeah, we know we
Speaker 3: can ask her mom anything about.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: Have I ever embarrassed you guys? For sure?
Speaker 4: I mean no, I mean embarrasses, but like in a
Speaker 4: different way than most parents. I would say, like I remember,
Speaker 4: like Color War in school, Like parents would bring I
Speaker 4: don't know, like some food sometimes for like the kids,
Speaker 4: and you would come with like a hundred cupcakes of
Speaker 4: the color for my color War.
Speaker 1: Like two hundred.
Speaker 4: You would open up your chunk of your car to
Speaker 4: be like literally three hundred cupcakes of like the color
Speaker 4: for my color.
Speaker 1: War, and you'd be like, keep it out. To all
Speaker 1: the people you know, like like you know.
Speaker 4: You remember that, like and we would always win every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and so it was like it was like
Speaker 1: a weird sense of embarrassing was like yeah, that's my mom.
Speaker 4: But also you're welcome because we won Color War, so
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, never anything like embarrassed. More just like maybe like
Speaker 3: cringe little certain details.
Speaker 4: Cringe. Yeah, cringe is a great way to describe it.
Speaker 1: Word. Sometimes it's like.
Speaker 4: I'm like, moment yeah, or it's like my friends open
Speaker 4: up to you with their like sex lives and all
Speaker 4: their things, and like sometimes it's like cringey. But also
Speaker 4: it's like they feel comfortable to share.
Speaker 2: That everyone someone to talk to, and most people are
Speaker 2: uncomfortable to speak to their parents because their parents aren't
Speaker 2: awkward with them. I think that sex should be spoken
Speaker 2: about like you speak about food or any other normal
Speaker 2: bodily function, and all this taboo around it creates so
Speaker 2: much trauma for so many people, and I don't want
Speaker 2: that from my daughters. I want my daughters to have
Speaker 2: very active, healthy, pleasant, pleasurable sexual lives.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm cringe cringe, but it works.
Speaker 3: I feel like filming the show together for I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it's always similar.
Speaker 1: Answer for all of us.
Speaker 3: But people always ask, like, what's it like like filming
Speaker 3: with your family? And I always say, like, I love it,
Speaker 3: Like I love that we have the opportunity to work
Speaker 3: together and it doesn't feel like work because like we're
Speaker 3: able to like just be ourselves.
Speaker 1: Because we like to hang out all the time.
Speaker 3: Anyways, Like the biggest thing for me when I moved
Speaker 3: to Miami was that I wasn't going to be as
Speaker 3: close to my family because I've always been like a
Speaker 3: ten minute walk for my mom's apartment and I would
Speaker 3: literally go there like every day for.
Speaker 1: Lunch, so I was always there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I was like, Okay, this is what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to be I'm going to miss the most.
Speaker 3: So I think like having the opportunity to work with
Speaker 3: your family and film together and like show how we
Speaker 3: all get along has been so rewarding and beautiful.
Speaker 1: And once this is over, we're gonna probably and got
Speaker 1: Miami too, So it's all the biggest I need some
Speaker 1: sunshine in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of us are tattooed people, but if we
Speaker 2: were gonna get matching tattoos, what would our tattoos on
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: What would you do with a tattoo? As a Jewish mom? Guys,
Speaker 1: it's a very important question. What would I do? I
Speaker 1: would be like, wow, so beautiful, and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I would not you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying anything, like if there's anything physically you did
Speaker 1: to your body.
Speaker 2: Like the one thing that I think would kind of
Speaker 2: freak me out is marrying. Every once and Mole says
Speaker 2: I'm shaving my hair, and I'm like, oh, don't do it.
Speaker 2: But that's because in my world hair, being able to
Speaker 2: wear hair out in the open is like my freedom flag.
Speaker 2: So like I imagine the favor. Yeah, it means to me,
Speaker 2: it means freedom having hair, you know. So, But like, okay, tattoo. Honestly,
Speaker 2: the only tattoo I could ever see getting, especially with
Speaker 2: what's going on in the outside world, is a star
Speaker 2: of David. I was going to get a tattoo would
Speaker 2: be like a heart with a big startup David in
Speaker 2: the middle.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 4: I think we would all do that.
Speaker 2: I think we're all pretty like if we would get tattoos,
Speaker 2: it would be about what we believe in, you know,
Speaker 2: women juice all women and and you know, no more hatred,
Speaker 2: no more racism.
Speaker 4: Mhmm, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Where do you think you love to shop the most
Speaker 1: now that you can wear whatever you want? Well, I
Speaker 1: like to design my own clothes. I like wearing my
Speaker 1: stuff best to be.
Speaker 3: But if we were all, if there is a store,
Speaker 3: because Miriam has, well, we all have kind of different style, but.
Speaker 1: More I like, I like to borrow things.
Speaker 3: I borrow all my mom's accessories and outerwear and basically
Speaker 3: whatever I can fit into tops, jackets. But Miriam has
Speaker 3: a different aesthetic than we do, so I feel youthetic.
Speaker 1: But I like it.
Speaker 2: Find like, now you have an aesthetic, like your clothes
Speaker 2: are finding it, but I experimenting. You're playing and your
Speaker 2: clothes because that, to me is what clothing is fashion.
Speaker 2: Why I love fashion so much. Is it the melding.
Speaker 1: Of the creativity of the person who designed the clothing
Speaker 1: with the individuality the person wearing it and how they
Speaker 1: wear it. And to me, it's an expression of who
Speaker 1: you are as a person.
Speaker 2: And I think Miriam is finding her way and finding
Speaker 2: her style and I think it's super cool. But yeah,
Speaker 2: but Schev and I wear I would wear anything she
Speaker 2: wears I would wear anything you wear.
Speaker 1: I can't think.
Speaker 3: So I have a funny story to share. I was
Speaker 3: just going on a date. Well I'm visiting LA and
Speaker 3: I'm like why not? And I put on the stress
Speaker 3: and my mom's like is that sexy enough for a
Speaker 3: first date? And I feel like most moms wouldn't be
Speaker 3: like you should show more cleavage, and are you really
Speaker 3: it looks a little covered?
Speaker 1: Was sob but I was like, so I did go
Speaker 1: on the date.
Speaker 3: And the guy when I was on the date, he
Speaker 3: was like, I really like I you know, I love
Speaker 3: what you're wearing. And he was like, did you know
Speaker 3: that it's like a tiny drop see through? And I
Speaker 3: was like, yes, that was aware. But I said this
Speaker 3: to my mom and she was like, if it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a dark restaurant, he won't be able to see him.
Speaker 1: She's like, see you. I was like, okay, that's true,
Speaker 1: but in the dark restaurant.
Speaker 3: And You'm sure it wasn't like see you through, see you,
Speaker 3: but it was like slightly shere where you can see
Speaker 3: my legs.
Speaker 1: It's like in certain lighting.
Speaker 3: And I told him like, well, my mom wanted me
Speaker 3: to dress more provocatively on this date and he was like.
Speaker 1: Who's your mom? He's like, I appreciate her looking out
Speaker 1: for me. It was funny, but but needless to say,
Speaker 1: I feel like if.
Speaker 3: We were to all go on a little shopping spree together,
Speaker 3: it would have to be like an apartment stores, so
Speaker 3: we could all find our specific things that we like.
Speaker 1: One story.
Speaker 2: I don't think we can all agree on. We all
Speaker 2: wear very different brands too, Yeah, which is right?
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 2: What's one piece of advice you would give to other
Speaker 2: mothers and daughters to strengthen their bond?
Speaker 1: Ooh, I like that where you want to start?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can start, Okay, So for this, I think
Speaker 4: taking accepting people for who they are as they are
Speaker 4: in the moment, and wanting to find a way to
Speaker 4: meet common grounds with the relationship with the other person.
Speaker 4: I think like that's really how we strengthen our bonds,
Speaker 4: is that we always try to see each other where
Speaker 4: we're at and work to strengthen and like build from there.
Speaker 4: So that's one thing finding commonality too, Like finding things
Speaker 4: to do together. I think something that in our family
Speaker 4: we're always doing things together, you know, like me and
Speaker 4: Slim will work out together.
Speaker 1: We do business together, I.
Speaker 4: Mean chaba like top of the phone a lot, and
Speaker 4: do other works business together too, And so it's like
Speaker 4: we're always.
Speaker 1: Having multiple reasons to talk, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's not just like how are you, but also
Speaker 4: like what's the update on this thing? And it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, like i'll see you at this time.
Speaker 1: We always we have.
Speaker 4: Our Saturday brunches that we like to keep to when
Speaker 4: we're all in the same city and like, you know,
Speaker 4: so it's like having multiple reasons to be together. I
Speaker 4: think really helps strengthen a bond.
Speaker 1: Two there's a good one.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: From my perspective, it's unconditional love. The minute you put
Speaker 1: conditions on loving someone. To me, it's over. Because for
Speaker 1: mothers and daughters to truly truly have this relationship that
Speaker 1: cannot be broken, every person needs to know that no
Speaker 1: matter what you do, your mother's still going to love you, your.
Speaker 2: Sister is still going to love you. We are family
Speaker 2: no matter what, through thick and thin, and it has
Speaker 2: no conditions.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I grew up where love was very conditional. You dress
Speaker 2: this way, you act this way. Your love you don't
Speaker 2: behave you're not And that is what I tried to change.
Speaker 2: When I was a mom, my kids always knew they
Speaker 2: could come to me with anything. I would never judge them,
Speaker 2: and no matter what, no matter what, they are the
Speaker 2: people I love most in life.
Speaker 3: For all, eternetic, I love you too, I remember now,
Speaker 3: but I was specific all this is specifically for the
Speaker 3: daughters that I think as you get older, you realize
Speaker 3: that your mom is a person as well. And I
Speaker 3: think that once I understood that that like your you know,
Speaker 3: your mom has her own aspirations, her own dreams, her
Speaker 3: own things that she wants or questions or changes.
Speaker 1: And understanding that your parents are people.
Speaker 3: Like you know, like they're doing their own thing, learning,
Speaker 3: growing just like you are. And to take away that
Speaker 3: like form of you're like, oh like you understanding that
Speaker 3: your parents are people, I think is like one of
Speaker 3: the most things that like brought us closer as I
Speaker 3: became an adult, because I was like, oh, wait, you're
Speaker 3: because it's always like you see your teacher at a
Speaker 3: grocery store and you're like, why is my teacher here?
Speaker 3: Like she belongs in school, and you would then if
Speaker 3: you like apply that kind of like your mom is
Speaker 3: a human and she's going to her own things and
Speaker 3: has her own dreams and being able to support that
Speaker 3: as a kid. I think you don't necessarily understand until
Speaker 3: you're an adult. I think once you do that, you
Speaker 3: have like even more respect for your parents and understanding
Speaker 3: about your relationship because you're aware of that. And I
Speaker 3: think that like more daughters need to internalize that their
Speaker 3: mothers are people and we shortened part like everyone.
Speaker 1: Else exactly, so you need to.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes people put their parents on a pedestal
Speaker 3: and then that makes them not relatable anymore. But when
Speaker 3: you realize, like, oh, we're all going to things, we
Speaker 3: can talk about it, then it helps strengthen your relationship.
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