1
00:00:17,264 --> 00:00:26,344
Speaker 1: Pushkin. Some people are naturally at home in the world.

2
00:00:26,864 --> 00:00:29,584
Speaker 1: Interior designer Nate Burkas is one of them, with a

3
00:00:29,584 --> 00:00:33,504
Speaker 1: combination of impeccable Midwestern manners, telegenic looks, and a real

4
00:00:33,504 --> 00:00:35,943
Speaker 1: talent for design. He rose to fame in two thousand

5
00:00:35,984 --> 00:00:39,104
Speaker 1: and two when Oprah anointed him as her design expert,

6
00:00:39,263 --> 00:00:42,424
Speaker 1: and he quickly became a fixture of living rooms across America.

7
00:00:42,543 --> 00:00:45,064
Speaker 1: In two thousand and four, Nate and his partner Fernando

8
00:00:45,543 --> 00:00:48,623
Speaker 1: found themselves caught in the tsunami in Sri Lanka, and

9
00:00:48,664 --> 00:00:51,704
Speaker 1: Fernando lost his life. The grief that followed might cause

10
00:00:51,744 --> 00:00:54,824
Speaker 1: others to retreat from the world. Instead, Nate took away

11
00:00:54,864 --> 00:00:57,864
Speaker 1: a deep sense of empathy from that experience, one that

12
00:00:57,984 --> 00:01:00,424
Speaker 1: changed his approach to people and places in a deeply

13
00:01:00,464 --> 00:01:04,464
Speaker 1: sincere way. On his travels, Nate collects objects and mementoes

14
00:01:04,503 --> 00:01:07,784
Speaker 1: with a rare intention, constantly adding to a living archive

15
00:01:07,864 --> 00:01:11,464
Speaker 1: that follows him through his homes, projects, and family life.

16
00:01:11,824 --> 00:01:13,984
Speaker 1: In this chat, we connect about the maide by hand

17
00:01:14,024 --> 00:01:18,184
Speaker 1: in Mexico's Marita Palmer's Peerless Antique Fair, why he won't

18
00:01:18,184 --> 00:01:20,544
Speaker 1: take his children to Venice just yet, and how we

19
00:01:20,584 --> 00:01:23,664
Speaker 1: can all find a way to travel through grief. Here's

20
00:01:23,704 --> 00:01:31,423
Speaker 1: my conversation with Nate Burkas. Nate, welcome, thank you, super

21
00:01:31,544 --> 00:01:34,184
Speaker 1: nice to have you, thank you. I wanted to ask you.

22
00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:36,544
Speaker 1: I know you've had a book that came out recently

23
00:01:36,584 --> 00:01:40,424
Speaker 1: called Foundations. What's the place that do you think probably

24
00:01:40,663 --> 00:01:44,064
Speaker 1: was your esthetic foundation that you first traveled through that

25
00:01:44,144 --> 00:01:45,704
Speaker 1: had the biggest impact.

26
00:01:45,624 --> 00:01:49,104
Speaker 2: Growing up in the Midwest in a suburb of Minneapolis,

27
00:01:49,584 --> 00:01:52,544
Speaker 2: it actually wasn't we traveled as a family. We traveled

28
00:01:52,624 --> 00:01:55,144
Speaker 2: starting at a very young age, but it actually wasn't

29
00:01:55,383 --> 00:01:58,944
Speaker 2: travel for me. It was the sort of allure of

30
00:01:58,984 --> 00:02:02,344
Speaker 2: a multi dealer antiques mall or an auction. My mom

31
00:02:02,424 --> 00:02:05,383
Speaker 2: was an interior designer, and I remember being so curious

32
00:02:05,424 --> 00:02:09,064
Speaker 2: about the decorative arts, and obviously she was collecting and

33
00:02:09,104 --> 00:02:12,064
Speaker 2: buying for clients and projects and things like that. But

34
00:02:12,304 --> 00:02:15,543
Speaker 2: you know, objects really tell a story. They represent sort

35
00:02:15,584 --> 00:02:18,264
Speaker 2: of often when they've made it this far from their origin,

36
00:02:18,424 --> 00:02:20,704
Speaker 2: they represent sort of the best of craft or the

37
00:02:20,703 --> 00:02:24,703
Speaker 2: best of design, or the most important wave of interest

38
00:02:24,744 --> 00:02:27,024
Speaker 2: at a certain time or period in a culture. And

39
00:02:27,103 --> 00:02:31,224
Speaker 2: so my eyes were actually opened esthetically more not from

40
00:02:31,263 --> 00:02:34,864
Speaker 2: seeing things when I was young, but seeing things, not

41
00:02:35,024 --> 00:02:36,024
Speaker 2: places but things.

42
00:02:36,504 --> 00:02:38,904
Speaker 1: Is there an object that has stayed through all of

43
00:02:38,944 --> 00:02:39,583
Speaker 1: your houses?

44
00:02:39,944 --> 00:02:44,143
Speaker 2: There's several. Actually, Jeremiah thinks that I am like, He

45
00:02:44,224 --> 00:02:47,183
Speaker 2: calls me like a fancy hoarder. But I like when

46
00:02:47,184 --> 00:02:50,504
Speaker 2: my eye travels around one of our spaces to land

47
00:02:50,543 --> 00:02:53,064
Speaker 2: on things and have that space tell the story of

48
00:02:53,504 --> 00:02:57,344
Speaker 2: us and of me and of our children. And I've

49
00:02:57,344 --> 00:03:01,064
Speaker 2: always felt that interiors, the best interiors, really do represent

50
00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:03,944
Speaker 2: the people that live in them, but also represent not

51
00:03:04,024 --> 00:03:06,944
Speaker 2: just who they are currently, but who they've been, what

52
00:03:06,983 --> 00:03:10,383
Speaker 2: they've loved, what they've lost, what they've seen, and probably

53
00:03:10,383 --> 00:03:12,304
Speaker 2: equally as important, who they aspire to be.

54
00:03:12,464 --> 00:03:14,144
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why we do it in front of

55
00:03:14,184 --> 00:03:18,904
Speaker 1: my home, all of my knick knacks and things, and

56
00:03:19,024 --> 00:03:21,823
Speaker 1: there's the lion right there that travels with me through

57
00:03:21,823 --> 00:03:23,904
Speaker 1: all my houses, not that there's been that many, but

58
00:03:24,424 --> 00:03:27,184
Speaker 1: that one's from Tamil Nadu in India, and I can't

59
00:03:27,263 --> 00:03:27,983
Speaker 1: let go of him.

60
00:03:28,144 --> 00:03:29,983
Speaker 2: Yeah, you shouldn't know for sure.

61
00:03:30,744 --> 00:03:34,984
Speaker 1: I listened to something that you had done several years ago,

62
00:03:35,584 --> 00:03:37,584
Speaker 1: and it was about that you went to Paris when

63
00:03:37,584 --> 00:03:40,664
Speaker 1: you were seventeen, and the thing that you were most

64
00:03:40,744 --> 00:03:44,984
Speaker 1: interested in was, aside from boys, history so it was like,

65
00:03:45,104 --> 00:03:49,064
Speaker 1: curious what that means, exactly what that meant for you

66
00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:49,704
Speaker 1: when you were there.

67
00:03:49,984 --> 00:03:52,424
Speaker 2: I think what it meant was that at seventeen, I

68
00:03:52,504 --> 00:03:57,144
Speaker 2: was old enough to have this awareness of modern life

69
00:03:57,144 --> 00:04:01,824
Speaker 2: happening in an ancient place, and in American interior design.

70
00:04:01,864 --> 00:04:04,824
Speaker 2: I've always been really interested in things like architectural salvage

71
00:04:04,864 --> 00:04:10,024
Speaker 2: and old door knobs and salvaged fireplaces and old stone

72
00:04:10,184 --> 00:04:12,904
Speaker 2: floors that have been reclaimed in all of these materials.

73
00:04:12,904 --> 00:04:16,704
Speaker 2: But you know, that was twenty years later. I think

74
00:04:17,064 --> 00:04:21,664
Speaker 2: at the time, I was just so taken by the

75
00:04:21,704 --> 00:04:26,064
Speaker 2: age of the place, and you know, there's all these

76
00:04:26,264 --> 00:04:31,104
Speaker 2: great design sort of concepts that happened Andre Putman doing

77
00:04:31,184 --> 00:04:34,584
Speaker 2: these apartments in these house Manian apartments and things like that,

78
00:04:34,744 --> 00:04:38,384
Speaker 2: and the deeply deeply deco movement against these sort of

79
00:04:38,424 --> 00:04:41,784
Speaker 2: wedding cake moldings and the contrast of all of that,

80
00:04:42,144 --> 00:04:44,704
Speaker 2: and I think that that was really formative for me.

81
00:04:45,064 --> 00:04:49,024
Speaker 2: I was an intern at a costume jewelry designer. Her

82
00:04:49,104 --> 00:04:52,424
Speaker 2: name is Dominique Orienttie. I lived with a family in

83
00:04:52,464 --> 00:04:56,743
Speaker 2: the sixteenth Roundismont in this grand old apartment which wasn't

84
00:04:56,864 --> 00:05:00,184
Speaker 2: particularly well furnished, but you know, it didn't matter. There

85
00:05:00,224 --> 00:05:04,104
Speaker 2: was actually Housman style one. Yeah, Housman's style, like with

86
00:05:04,144 --> 00:05:06,704
Speaker 2: the big kitchen and the enormous stove and then this

87
00:05:06,824 --> 00:05:09,944
Speaker 2: sort of rickety table that the housekeeper would change the

88
00:05:09,984 --> 00:05:14,264
Speaker 2: linen on, you know, every two days, and it didn't

89
00:05:14,304 --> 00:05:16,904
Speaker 2: match the napkins and whatever, and that was really wonderful.

90
00:05:17,024 --> 00:05:20,264
Speaker 2: Like I just it was. It was this option that

91
00:05:20,384 --> 00:05:25,424
Speaker 2: I discovered of being able to live with history in

92
00:05:25,464 --> 00:05:28,024
Speaker 2: such a tangible way, and that never left me.

93
00:05:28,144 --> 00:05:30,104
Speaker 1: Is the other places that you were turned to when

94
00:05:30,104 --> 00:05:30,824
Speaker 1: you go to Paris.

95
00:05:30,984 --> 00:05:33,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, I'll tell you a funny story. So when

96
00:05:33,064 --> 00:05:36,344
Speaker 2: I lived in Paris and I was in Stagier and interned,

97
00:05:36,424 --> 00:05:39,384
Speaker 2: they were there was this Vietnamese restaurant in the bottom

98
00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:42,704
Speaker 2: of the office building and for five francs you could

99
00:05:42,744 --> 00:05:45,984
Speaker 2: get this like beif alagnon on a baguette or these

100
00:05:46,024 --> 00:05:48,944
Speaker 2: like tiny egg rolls that they call nem and I

101
00:05:49,104 --> 00:05:50,624
Speaker 2: ate that for lunch every day. I was like, this

102
00:05:50,664 --> 00:05:53,584
Speaker 2: is my favorite restaurant and it's amazing. So fast forward

103
00:05:53,584 --> 00:05:56,064
Speaker 2: ten years later, I back in the States. I've graduated

104
00:05:56,104 --> 00:05:59,824
Speaker 2: from college, I've started my company, and I brought someone

105
00:05:59,904 --> 00:06:01,424
Speaker 2: with me and I was like, we have to go

106
00:06:01,504 --> 00:06:03,744
Speaker 2: back to this Vietnamese restaurant and they you know, it's

107
00:06:03,784 --> 00:06:06,144
Speaker 2: so great and I have such great memories and I

108
00:06:06,304 --> 00:06:08,024
Speaker 2: ate it every day and I can taste it. I'm

109
00:06:08,064 --> 00:06:13,344
Speaker 2: so excited. And we walked down the street and I

110
00:06:13,384 --> 00:06:16,184
Speaker 2: was like, I don't remember this being like so dodgy.

111
00:06:16,784 --> 00:06:19,024
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, like this, this cannot

112
00:06:19,104 --> 00:06:21,984
Speaker 2: possibly be the restaurant, Like I remember the sandwiches were

113
00:06:21,984 --> 00:06:23,784
Speaker 2: like all in the window and like I was like,

114
00:06:23,824 --> 00:06:26,344
Speaker 2: this cannot be it right with the filthy glass and

115
00:06:26,424 --> 00:06:28,664
Speaker 2: like the tile floors that looked like they hadn't been

116
00:06:28,664 --> 00:06:31,104
Speaker 2: cleaned since my bum btzwah, And I was like, this

117
00:06:31,144 --> 00:06:33,864
Speaker 2: is really gross. And my friend was like I am

118
00:06:33,904 --> 00:06:35,984
Speaker 2: not eating here, Like you're welcome to eat here, but

119
00:06:36,064 --> 00:06:38,944
Speaker 2: like there's no way. So I mean, you know, things

120
00:06:39,064 --> 00:06:42,464
Speaker 2: change obviously as we change. But I have my favorite

121
00:06:42,464 --> 00:06:45,464
Speaker 2: haunt in Paris, the Ritz Hotel. I love.

122
00:06:45,984 --> 00:06:48,824
Speaker 1: I've never stayed there before because no, which is kind

123
00:06:48,824 --> 00:06:51,944
Speaker 1: of strange. I was coming from a trip on'mware that

124
00:06:52,024 --> 00:06:54,544
Speaker 1: was a little not rough, but I was like getting

125
00:06:54,584 --> 00:06:56,944
Speaker 1: off a plane, I'd had one or two outfits and

126
00:06:56,984 --> 00:06:59,863
Speaker 1: I'd had like a pair of shorts and like dirty

127
00:06:59,904 --> 00:07:02,104
Speaker 1: shoes and you know, I was going to get changed

128
00:07:02,144 --> 00:07:05,784
Speaker 1: into something like acceptable, but I walked into the hotel

129
00:07:06,424 --> 00:07:08,624
Speaker 1: and they were like they wouldn't let me in, and

130
00:07:08,744 --> 00:07:10,304
Speaker 1: so it was like my pretty woman moment.

131
00:07:10,384 --> 00:07:11,864
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge.

132
00:07:11,904 --> 00:07:13,824
Speaker 1: It was when I was. It was when I was

133
00:07:16,504 --> 00:07:18,264
Speaker 1: I think, I like, I had a friend who was

134
00:07:18,264 --> 00:07:21,024
Speaker 1: talking about it the other day who's like in hotels,

135
00:07:21,104 --> 00:07:24,304
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know, really speaking about what

136
00:07:24,344 --> 00:07:26,704
Speaker 1: I think is unique or what I understand to be

137
00:07:26,824 --> 00:07:30,384
Speaker 1: unique about the Ritz, which is that sense of nostalgia totally,

138
00:07:30,824 --> 00:07:34,144
Speaker 1: and you know that it's that it's both timeless but timely.

139
00:07:34,224 --> 00:07:37,184
Speaker 1: It's in a live institution, and it feels like it's sparkling,

140
00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:39,864
Speaker 1: I guess, particularly now since they did the renovation. So

141
00:07:40,304 --> 00:07:42,384
Speaker 1: I don't hold a grudge. I have to say, it's

142
00:07:42,464 --> 00:07:45,144
Speaker 1: like more of a it's more of a story. Yeah,

143
00:07:45,144 --> 00:07:46,184
Speaker 1: but I enjoy now.

144
00:07:46,264 --> 00:07:48,144
Speaker 2: I will tell you though. That reminds me. That's why

145
00:07:48,184 --> 00:07:49,744
Speaker 2: I'm loyal to Clarages in London.

146
00:07:49,984 --> 00:07:50,344
Speaker 1: Okay.

147
00:07:50,544 --> 00:07:54,104
Speaker 2: After the Indian Ocean tsunami, I was brought to London,

148
00:07:54,384 --> 00:07:57,864
Speaker 2: flew from Colombo and she like to London and I

149
00:07:57,984 --> 00:08:03,304
Speaker 2: was bandaged, wearing like ripped shorts and a tank top

150
00:08:03,464 --> 00:08:08,104
Speaker 2: and like a sweatshirt half on and flip flops that

151
00:08:08,144 --> 00:08:12,424
Speaker 2: didn't match. And I walked into Clarages with with friends

152
00:08:12,424 --> 00:08:15,224
Speaker 2: and they said, welcome back, mister Brookers. You know, and

153
00:08:15,264 --> 00:08:17,984
Speaker 2: I will always remember that.

154
00:08:17,984 --> 00:08:21,904
Speaker 1: There's something different about the concierge or dorman in London,

155
00:08:22,064 --> 00:08:26,264
Speaker 1: like that's really a profession. Yeah, and it's something that

156
00:08:26,904 --> 00:08:30,824
Speaker 1: is earned over kind of decades. That's something really unique

157
00:08:30,944 --> 00:08:34,384
Speaker 1: to London, I think. And I love clarages as well,

158
00:08:34,463 --> 00:08:37,863
Speaker 1: like particularly the little bar there, the Fumua. Yeah, when

159
00:08:37,904 --> 00:08:41,664
Speaker 1: you're talking about the tsunami. Actually, that's the first time

160
00:08:41,744 --> 00:08:44,824
Speaker 1: I remember in Australia that you came across on my radar,

161
00:08:44,944 --> 00:08:47,424
Speaker 1: because you know, we're more close to that part of

162
00:08:47,463 --> 00:08:47,864
Speaker 1: the world.

163
00:08:48,024 --> 00:08:50,784
Speaker 2: Taught me a lot about hospitality really wise that because

164
00:08:50,863 --> 00:08:54,544
Speaker 2: I think that the Sri Lankan's in general you can't

165
00:08:54,583 --> 00:08:57,624
Speaker 2: speak in general about any sort of population obviously it's ridiculous,

166
00:08:57,664 --> 00:09:02,784
Speaker 2: but very generally speaking, it's such an incredibly friendly place

167
00:09:02,863 --> 00:09:06,904
Speaker 2: and culturally, when you're visiting a country that is sort

168
00:09:06,944 --> 00:09:09,904
Speaker 2: of trained and has placed importance on being good hosts,

169
00:09:09,983 --> 00:09:13,263
Speaker 2: you can feel that I know that, yeah more than anyone.

170
00:09:13,343 --> 00:09:15,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like in Sri Lanka, even the colors

171
00:09:16,064 --> 00:09:20,904
Speaker 1: are that gentle, soothing greens, browns.

172
00:09:19,743 --> 00:09:23,983
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Bawi exactly whole world of like just this beautiful

173
00:09:24,024 --> 00:09:27,624
Speaker 2: tranquility and everyone so connected to nature and all these things.

174
00:09:27,664 --> 00:09:29,904
Speaker 2: But I say that it taught me a lot about

175
00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:35,304
Speaker 2: hospitality because the Sri Lankans, even though they had such

176
00:09:35,504 --> 00:09:39,143
Speaker 2: incredible devastation losing their homes, losing their loved ones, losing

177
00:09:39,184 --> 00:09:42,223
Speaker 2: their children and their elders and their husbands and their

178
00:09:42,223 --> 00:09:45,664
Speaker 2: wives and their partners and all these things, they were

179
00:09:45,824 --> 00:09:49,544
Speaker 2: so concerned with the expats that were there. They could

180
00:09:49,544 --> 00:09:53,023
Speaker 2: not believe, like what did we need? What could they

181
00:09:53,064 --> 00:09:56,143
Speaker 2: do to help? No matter where we went. And that

182
00:09:56,343 --> 00:09:58,544
Speaker 2: is also something that stayed with me for my whole life.

183
00:09:58,863 --> 00:10:01,023
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to ask you, have you traveled back

184
00:10:01,064 --> 00:10:02,344
Speaker 1: to Sri Lanka and would you?

185
00:10:02,743 --> 00:10:07,424
Speaker 2: I so this is such a good question. A year

186
00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:10,184
Speaker 2: after the tsunami, at the time, I was on the

187
00:10:10,223 --> 00:10:13,583
Speaker 2: Oprah Show doing the makeovers on the Oprah Winfrey Show

188
00:10:13,623 --> 00:10:16,184
Speaker 2: in State. I went on Oprah to talk about my

189
00:10:16,223 --> 00:10:20,544
Speaker 2: experience in the tsunami weeks after, and the reason that

190
00:10:20,583 --> 00:10:23,024
Speaker 2: I did that was because Oprah had said that she

191
00:10:23,184 --> 00:10:25,504
Speaker 2: was going to raise money for the region that we

192
00:10:25,504 --> 00:10:29,223
Speaker 2: were in, Fernando and me, and that she would waive

193
00:10:29,343 --> 00:10:32,503
Speaker 2: all of the admin fees, et cetera, and whatever dollars

194
00:10:32,504 --> 00:10:35,024
Speaker 2: were raised from her audience would go directly and be

195
00:10:35,064 --> 00:10:38,464
Speaker 2: administered to the region of Podeville where we were. And

196
00:10:38,863 --> 00:10:43,103
Speaker 2: that's exactly what she did. And it was several million dollars,

197
00:10:43,623 --> 00:10:47,143
Speaker 2: which translated into Sri Lankan rupees, is you know, a fortune.

198
00:10:47,743 --> 00:10:49,904
Speaker 2: And then they came to me and said what should

199
00:10:49,904 --> 00:10:51,224
Speaker 2: we do with the money, And I said, I'm not

200
00:10:51,264 --> 00:10:54,544
Speaker 2: a not for profit I was vacationing. I don't know

201
00:10:54,623 --> 00:10:56,784
Speaker 2: what they need. And so we partnered with these different

202
00:10:57,944 --> 00:11:05,664
Speaker 2: I was twenty eight. But they told us. These agencies

203
00:11:05,664 --> 00:11:08,624
Speaker 2: helped us figure out, like feed the children, and these

204
00:11:08,703 --> 00:11:13,103
Speaker 2: very established, you know, agencies, how to disburse the money.

205
00:11:13,103 --> 00:11:15,144
Speaker 2: And one of the programs that was super important to

206
00:11:15,184 --> 00:11:17,904
Speaker 2: me was that we were able to restore like the

207
00:11:17,944 --> 00:11:21,143
Speaker 2: woman who had the fishing the cottage on the shore,

208
00:11:21,184 --> 00:11:24,144
Speaker 2: who served the fisherman coffee every morning. We built a

209
00:11:24,144 --> 00:11:26,424
Speaker 2: new hut and got her her new supplies, and we

210
00:11:26,743 --> 00:11:30,744
Speaker 2: provided bicycles to the villagers and we actually built this

211
00:11:30,863 --> 00:11:34,023
Speaker 2: two story building that was a vocational school. It's a

212
00:11:34,103 --> 00:11:38,264
Speaker 2: Muslim community, and so it was the only building because

213
00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:41,664
Speaker 2: you couldn't see in from outside, where young men and

214
00:11:41,703 --> 00:11:45,664
Speaker 2: young women were permitted religiously to be together. And so

215
00:11:45,824 --> 00:11:49,983
Speaker 2: we built a vocational school in the village of Puteville

216
00:11:50,024 --> 00:11:52,064
Speaker 2: and we named it after Fernando. A year to the

217
00:11:52,144 --> 00:11:54,983
Speaker 2: date after the tsunami, I got a call from Oprah

218
00:11:55,024 --> 00:11:59,184
Speaker 2: and she said, the PM of Sri Lanka has invited

219
00:11:59,743 --> 00:12:03,904
Speaker 2: me to the opening of the vocational school that you

220
00:12:04,064 --> 00:12:07,144
Speaker 2: helped to build. And I told them I'm not doing that,

221
00:12:07,264 --> 00:12:10,103
Speaker 2: but he should go do it. So I'm asking if

222
00:12:10,103 --> 00:12:13,424
Speaker 2: you want to fly back and I said, absolutely not.

223
00:12:13,703 --> 00:12:17,143
Speaker 2: There's no I'm sorry. I'm sure that you're going to

224
00:12:17,264 --> 00:12:19,424
Speaker 2: frame this as a full circle moment, and I'm sure

225
00:12:19,463 --> 00:12:22,544
Speaker 2: you're right. I just don't have it in me to

226
00:12:22,664 --> 00:12:25,744
Speaker 2: do it. I apologize and I appreciate the offer, but

227
00:12:25,824 --> 00:12:29,024
Speaker 2: the answer is no. Definitively the answer is no, and

228
00:12:29,064 --> 00:12:32,824
Speaker 2: she said absolutely no pressure, I understand. Ten minutes later

229
00:12:32,824 --> 00:12:34,544
Speaker 2: I called her back and I said, I changed my mind.

230
00:12:34,583 --> 00:12:36,263
Speaker 2: She said, I know you're booked on a flight out

231
00:12:36,304 --> 00:12:38,583
Speaker 2: in two days, and this is the production crew that's

232
00:12:38,623 --> 00:12:40,264
Speaker 2: going with you, And I said, how did you know

233
00:12:40,703 --> 00:12:42,824
Speaker 2: who's coming with me? And she said, oh, Lisa Minor

234
00:12:42,904 --> 00:12:44,904
Speaker 2: and this one and your friend Anne and you know,

235
00:12:44,944 --> 00:12:47,463
Speaker 2: all these people exactly who she knew I would want

236
00:12:47,583 --> 00:12:50,224
Speaker 2: to make me comfortable. I said, can I bring my

237
00:12:50,264 --> 00:12:53,424
Speaker 2: little brother, like as an emotional support animal? And she

238
00:12:53,463 --> 00:12:56,624
Speaker 2: said yes, and I said, okay, great, And I said,

239
00:12:56,664 --> 00:12:58,383
Speaker 2: how did you know I was going to change my mind?

240
00:12:58,463 --> 00:13:00,624
Speaker 2: And she said, because I know you. I know that

241
00:13:00,664 --> 00:13:04,023
Speaker 2: you would never let that opportunity go by. So a

242
00:13:04,103 --> 00:13:08,624
Speaker 2: year to the date, December twenty sixth, I stood in

243
00:13:08,664 --> 00:13:11,624
Speaker 2: the exact spot where we were. It was one of

244
00:13:11,664 --> 00:13:14,464
Speaker 2: the most restorative, most incredible moments of my life.

245
00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:18,104
Speaker 1: Well maybe Oprah was the only person that could get

246
00:13:18,904 --> 00:13:19,783
Speaker 1: and it was like.

247
00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:25,264
Speaker 2: No, she is not like particularly persuasive, really no, because

248
00:13:25,304 --> 00:13:28,064
Speaker 2: she's not. She's she's she's been a long time since

249
00:13:28,103 --> 00:13:31,344
Speaker 2: she's had to talk anybody into anything. So I mean, honestly,

250
00:13:31,424 --> 00:13:34,144
Speaker 2: the ask went out and she met what she said.

251
00:13:34,144 --> 00:13:36,464
Speaker 2: There was no pressure whatsoever around it. It didn't matter to

252
00:13:36,504 --> 00:13:39,944
Speaker 2: her m H. But I ended up going obviously, and

253
00:13:39,983 --> 00:13:42,144
Speaker 2: she knew it would be an enormous gift for me,

254
00:13:42,184 --> 00:13:44,264
Speaker 2: and I think more importantly, I knew it was going

255
00:13:44,304 --> 00:13:45,504
Speaker 2: to be an enormous gift for me.

256
00:13:46,064 --> 00:13:49,503
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I have a friend whose husband

257
00:13:49,583 --> 00:13:53,103
Speaker 1: passed away last year and they were amazing travelers and

258
00:13:53,304 --> 00:13:55,863
Speaker 1: had like you know, a few kids, and just went

259
00:13:55,944 --> 00:14:01,184
Speaker 1: absolutely everywhere. And she's now just slightly getting back on

260
00:14:01,223 --> 00:14:04,064
Speaker 1: the path of going to the places that they that

261
00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:07,064
Speaker 1: they went to. And I'm really fascinated in this idea

262
00:14:07,144 --> 00:14:10,384
Speaker 1: of this traveling through grief and how you return to

263
00:14:10,463 --> 00:14:13,544
Speaker 1: those places is because they hold so much memory and

264
00:14:13,583 --> 00:14:17,623
Speaker 1: it's challenging, but I do think it's probably a great cathosis.

265
00:14:17,904 --> 00:14:21,344
Speaker 2: It is. And actually, you know, in preparation for this conversation,

266
00:14:21,424 --> 00:14:23,504
Speaker 2: you had asked me about places that I really love,

267
00:14:24,024 --> 00:14:27,744
Speaker 2: and one of them is Laos, and that's also connected

268
00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:30,664
Speaker 2: to my tsunami experience because I had no ticket to

269
00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:35,144
Speaker 2: go to Laos. I was in shangh Mai with Jeremiah

270
00:14:35,304 --> 00:14:38,344
Speaker 2: for exploring like sort of the north of Thailand, and

271
00:14:39,064 --> 00:14:41,344
Speaker 2: we were meant to go down to the coast in Thailand.

272
00:14:41,384 --> 00:14:43,784
Speaker 2: We weren't married, we had just been dating, so this

273
00:14:43,864 --> 00:14:46,984
Speaker 2: is probably thirteen years ago, and we were staying at

274
00:14:47,024 --> 00:14:49,944
Speaker 2: the Dara Devi which is now it's changed hands like

275
00:14:49,984 --> 00:14:50,744
Speaker 2: seven hundred times.

276
00:14:50,784 --> 00:14:52,064
Speaker 1: It has those cannon boll trees.

277
00:14:52,184 --> 00:14:55,704
Speaker 2: Yes, they're so cool and that like insane spat and like, yeah,

278
00:14:55,744 --> 00:14:58,424
Speaker 2: everything is delicious. And the night before we were meant

279
00:14:58,424 --> 00:15:00,784
Speaker 2: to go down to the coast of Thailand, not back

280
00:15:00,824 --> 00:15:03,144
Speaker 2: to Sri Lanka. I was up all night and Jeremiah

281
00:15:03,144 --> 00:15:04,664
Speaker 2: woke up at like four in the morning and he

282
00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:06,824
Speaker 2: realized that I was awaken. He said, what's wrong, and

283
00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:09,584
Speaker 2: I said, I don't think I can do it. I

284
00:15:09,624 --> 00:15:11,824
Speaker 2: feel like I have too much to lose, Like I

285
00:15:12,024 --> 00:15:14,184
Speaker 2: just don't think I can go back to the coast.

286
00:15:14,864 --> 00:15:17,304
Speaker 2: And he said, then we won't go. And I remember

287
00:15:17,344 --> 00:15:19,984
Speaker 2: we were going to stay at an Aman in Thailand,

288
00:15:20,184 --> 00:15:23,064
Speaker 2: and the next day the manager of the hotel called

289
00:15:23,064 --> 00:15:25,624
Speaker 2: the Aman and sort of explained the situation, and they said, well,

290
00:15:25,664 --> 00:15:28,464
Speaker 2: we would welcome him at our property in the one Yeah.

291
00:15:28,544 --> 00:15:31,064
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, great. So that's how I ended

292
00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:33,424
Speaker 2: up finding one of my favorite places I've ever been

293
00:15:33,584 --> 00:15:37,624
Speaker 2: in my life. And that was like an incredible, incredible

294
00:15:37,664 --> 00:15:40,464
Speaker 2: trip to both Jeremiah and I still think of and

295
00:15:40,664 --> 00:15:42,224
Speaker 2: hope to bring our children to one day.

296
00:15:42,384 --> 00:15:44,704
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best hotels I totally do.

297
00:15:44,784 --> 00:15:45,664
Speaker 1: It's so cool.

298
00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:49,464
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's French colonial former hospital exactly. It's the

299
00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:51,344
Speaker 2: land of sticky rice, Like what could go wrong?

300
00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:54,544
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know in Luang Prabang, you have you know,

301
00:15:54,624 --> 00:15:58,984
Speaker 1: it's it's this languid town on a river and it

302
00:15:59,064 --> 00:16:01,744
Speaker 1: has you know, the monks in saffron roads and it

303
00:16:01,784 --> 00:16:03,744
Speaker 1: feels like of another ear and.

304
00:16:03,984 --> 00:16:07,464
Speaker 2: A night market. And Zallas is also single story and

305
00:16:07,624 --> 00:16:10,664
Speaker 2: exactly a Kong is so beautiful with the wooden boats.

306
00:16:10,704 --> 00:16:13,064
Speaker 2: It's like it's really really incredible.

307
00:16:13,184 --> 00:16:16,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've managed to maintain it in a way

308
00:16:16,304 --> 00:16:19,424
Speaker 1: that maybe in some other towns and cities in that

309
00:16:19,624 --> 00:16:22,544
Speaker 1: part of the world are less so Yeah. And I

310
00:16:22,544 --> 00:16:25,664
Speaker 1: think actually those hotels, I think the amman there does

311
00:16:25,664 --> 00:16:27,664
Speaker 1: a really good job of connecting to the community.

312
00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:31,704
Speaker 2: Well, when we were staying there, the cultural attache to

313
00:16:31,744 --> 00:16:35,464
Speaker 2: the hotel was the nephew of the last queen, and

314
00:16:35,504 --> 00:16:38,184
Speaker 2: so he knew everybody and was like taking us around

315
00:16:38,224 --> 00:16:40,704
Speaker 2: and wanted to know what we were particularly interested in.

316
00:16:40,744 --> 00:16:43,184
Speaker 2: And you know, we went and made our offerings to

317
00:16:43,264 --> 00:16:46,064
Speaker 2: the monks. One morning, Jeremiah, I was like, what time

318
00:16:46,144 --> 00:16:47,824
Speaker 2: is that. It's like it's at five. I was like,

319
00:16:47,944 --> 00:16:50,584
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. He was like, you're doing it

320
00:16:50,624 --> 00:16:53,464
Speaker 2: because you'll never forget it. Of course he regretted it. No,

321
00:16:53,584 --> 00:16:55,423
Speaker 2: I we did it, Okay.

322
00:16:55,224 --> 00:17:00,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you were Yeah, I'm not in early Well I.

323
00:17:00,064 --> 00:17:04,904
Speaker 2: Get that, especially after traveling you know, seven thousand hours

324
00:17:04,944 --> 00:17:08,783
Speaker 2: at Yeah, but I did it. And you know, the

325
00:17:08,984 --> 00:17:11,584
Speaker 2: monks were walking into the village and you're at the

326
00:17:11,704 --> 00:17:14,584
Speaker 2: end of the path and you don't look at them.

327
00:17:14,664 --> 00:17:17,504
Speaker 2: You keep your head down and you sort of pass

328
00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:19,584
Speaker 2: the eggs and things like that. But it was like

329
00:17:20,104 --> 00:17:24,664
Speaker 2: such an incredible experience. Like obviously, but the cultural actor

330
00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:27,944
Speaker 2: shade to the hotel was super charming, and so you know,

331
00:17:28,104 --> 00:17:29,584
Speaker 2: I love that way of seeing a place.

332
00:17:29,664 --> 00:17:33,664
Speaker 1: Did you take any kind of design inspiration from Laos massively? Yeah.

333
00:17:33,784 --> 00:17:37,064
Speaker 2: I mean the hotel itself is, as we mentioned, like

334
00:17:37,144 --> 00:17:41,344
Speaker 2: a former French colonial hospital. I mean it's yeah.

335
00:17:41,384 --> 00:17:44,624
Speaker 1: And beforehand with Aman they had sort of these very monastic,

336
00:17:44,784 --> 00:17:48,704
Speaker 1: very model carry Hill designed spaces, which is why they

337
00:17:48,744 --> 00:17:51,783
Speaker 1: became iconic in the way that they absolutely are. They

338
00:17:51,824 --> 00:17:54,144
Speaker 1: defined a particular aesthetic and then when they this is

339
00:17:54,184 --> 00:17:56,984
Speaker 1: one of the first ones where they broke into doing this,

340
00:17:57,264 --> 00:17:57,464
Speaker 1: and I.

341
00:17:57,544 --> 00:17:59,464
Speaker 2: Was so glad that they did because you know, the

342
00:17:59,984 --> 00:18:05,464
Speaker 2: the thatched ceilings and the sort of painted wood primitive furniture,

343
00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:08,664
Speaker 2: and you know, it just all worked so well. And

344
00:18:08,784 --> 00:18:10,624
Speaker 2: you know, I like to explore a place, like I

345
00:18:10,624 --> 00:18:12,744
Speaker 2: don't want to go to a great hotel and just

346
00:18:12,784 --> 00:18:16,023
Speaker 2: stay in the hotel. Obviously, how boring is that. But

347
00:18:16,104 --> 00:18:19,464
Speaker 2: you know, the night market is walkable, all the craft stores,

348
00:18:19,504 --> 00:18:22,024
Speaker 2: all of that stuff I was so into. In fact,

349
00:18:22,064 --> 00:18:24,824
Speaker 2: I brought you one of the objects from our home

350
00:18:24,864 --> 00:18:27,184
Speaker 2: that was from that trip. Should I get it? Yeah, yeah,

351
00:18:27,624 --> 00:18:29,464
Speaker 2: I mean to get it. Yeah, you can hold one

352
00:18:29,504 --> 00:18:30,264
Speaker 2: and I'll hold one.

353
00:18:31,224 --> 00:18:33,664
Speaker 1: So I have no idea what these on nine Okay.

354
00:18:33,384 --> 00:18:35,264
Speaker 2: So I didn't have any idea what they were either.

355
00:18:35,464 --> 00:18:37,624
Speaker 2: One of the things that we organized was this boat

356
00:18:37,704 --> 00:18:39,944
Speaker 2: trip down the Mee Kung River to see these caves

357
00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:43,424
Speaker 2: of all the Buddha and which was incredible. And then

358
00:18:43,544 --> 00:18:48,104
Speaker 2: on the way back, the boat stopped and docked on

359
00:18:48,144 --> 00:18:51,104
Speaker 2: the Mee Kung and we walked this main street of

360
00:18:51,144 --> 00:18:56,304
Speaker 2: this super super remote village and there were shops, so

361
00:18:56,344 --> 00:19:00,344
Speaker 2: obviously that somebody had organized like this for people visiting.

362
00:19:00,424 --> 00:19:02,263
Speaker 2: But they were the kinds of shops where like they

363
00:19:02,304 --> 00:19:05,424
Speaker 2: were like old teak cases with broken glass panes and

364
00:19:05,464 --> 00:19:07,344
Speaker 2: like they would turn the light on in each case

365
00:19:07,384 --> 00:19:11,784
Speaker 2: as you looked, And these were in there, and I

366
00:19:11,824 --> 00:19:13,664
Speaker 2: was using my phone to translate, and I was like,

367
00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:16,624
Speaker 2: what are they? And he just kept saying they're silver,

368
00:19:16,704 --> 00:19:19,104
Speaker 2: They're silver. And I was like, Okay, how much are

369
00:19:19,144 --> 00:19:21,504
Speaker 2: they because now I don't care what they are, I

370
00:19:21,544 --> 00:19:23,944
Speaker 2: just want them right now. And he said they're two

371
00:19:24,024 --> 00:19:27,144
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. And I put them back on the shelf

372
00:19:27,184 --> 00:19:31,664
Speaker 2: and Jeremiah, who had spotted them, I walked out without them,

373
00:19:31,664 --> 00:19:33,344
Speaker 2: and he said, what are you doing? And I said,

374
00:19:33,544 --> 00:19:36,104
Speaker 2: the guy wants two hundred dollars, Like we're in the

375
00:19:36,104 --> 00:19:39,544
Speaker 2: middle of absolutely nowhere. He's insane. That is like so rude.

376
00:19:39,584 --> 00:19:43,424
Speaker 2: It's like we're like the farrang Like he's completely taking

377
00:19:43,424 --> 00:19:47,584
Speaker 2: advantage of us. And Jeremiah was like, turn around, go

378
00:19:47,744 --> 00:19:50,424
Speaker 2: back into that shop, give him his two hundred dollars,

379
00:19:50,784 --> 00:19:53,744
Speaker 2: tell him thank you. I don't. We are not leaving

380
00:19:53,824 --> 00:19:57,264
Speaker 2: this village without those things. So we brought them back

381
00:19:57,264 --> 00:19:59,544
Speaker 2: to the hotel, put them in the suitcase, and then

382
00:19:59,624 --> 00:20:01,904
Speaker 2: brought them back to New York City and clean them up.

383
00:20:02,184 --> 00:20:08,224
Speaker 2: And they were actually they're silver tusk ornaments. Oh isn't

384
00:20:08,264 --> 00:20:13,184
Speaker 2: that cool? Yeah, And we use them actually with handles, yeah,

385
00:20:13,224 --> 00:20:16,144
Speaker 2: in them, but they're among sort of my favorite thing

386
00:20:16,184 --> 00:20:19,384
Speaker 2: and so things. And when I talk so much in

387
00:20:19,464 --> 00:20:23,024
Speaker 2: my book or in my practice and design about how

388
00:20:23,224 --> 00:20:26,264
Speaker 2: things matter and how they should connect us to our memories,

389
00:20:26,304 --> 00:20:29,464
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like the perfect memory, me cheaping

390
00:20:29,504 --> 00:20:31,864
Speaker 2: out in the middle of you know, the most exotic

391
00:20:31,904 --> 00:20:34,784
Speaker 2: place in the world. I would be furious with myself

392
00:20:34,824 --> 00:20:38,144
Speaker 2: if I didn't have these. And Jeremiah reminding me again,

393
00:20:38,344 --> 00:20:40,464
Speaker 2: like you know, I tell people all the time, like

394
00:20:40,504 --> 00:20:42,864
Speaker 2: when you see something incredible, just get it something.

395
00:20:42,904 --> 00:20:44,784
Speaker 1: I mean, I have some of the most treasured things

396
00:20:45,064 --> 00:20:47,664
Speaker 1: that I've just gone actually know what, I'm not going

397
00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:50,184
Speaker 1: to haggle around this. I'm just going to go for it.

398
00:20:51,104 --> 00:20:54,023
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you realize both that they have this

399
00:20:54,104 --> 00:20:58,664
Speaker 1: immense sentimental value of the particular moment if you're describing,

400
00:20:58,744 --> 00:21:02,104
Speaker 1: and or they actually might end up being valuable yeah

401
00:21:02,184 --> 00:21:05,264
Speaker 1: or really not, yeah or not, it doesn't matter. I think, Yeah.

402
00:21:05,384 --> 00:21:06,704
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's.

403
00:21:06,504 --> 00:21:10,424
Speaker 2: Just a tangible thing that wasn't meant to be a souvenir, right.

404
00:21:10,584 --> 00:21:13,984
Speaker 2: I think that that's always my framing around something. I

405
00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:17,104
Speaker 2: hate things that were designed to be a souvenir. All

406
00:21:17,144 --> 00:21:20,544
Speaker 2: these beautiful places, these wonderful countries that we visit, and

407
00:21:20,584 --> 00:21:22,824
Speaker 2: the markets have been taken over by things made in

408
00:21:22,904 --> 00:21:25,064
Speaker 2: China and things made by machine. And it's like you

409
00:21:25,104 --> 00:21:27,424
Speaker 2: see like these machine made blankets and you're like, what

410
00:21:27,584 --> 00:21:31,984
Speaker 2: is happening? But when something's not designed to be taken

411
00:21:32,344 --> 00:21:35,264
Speaker 2: with you, that to me is like always the best.

412
00:21:35,664 --> 00:21:37,544
Speaker 2: It's like the only real rule of thumb.

413
00:21:38,184 --> 00:21:40,104
Speaker 1: Was it the same trip that when you went to

414
00:21:40,184 --> 00:21:41,664
Speaker 1: Laos and also Kembiden.

415
00:21:41,784 --> 00:21:44,504
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't at least twenty years apart, oh, right

416
00:21:44,784 --> 00:21:48,704
Speaker 2: of fifteen years apart Okay and Cambodia. I was very

417
00:21:48,744 --> 00:21:53,504
Speaker 2: early on. They were quite specific about going to the

418
00:21:53,824 --> 00:21:56,064
Speaker 2: all the archaeological sites. You had to walk in a

419
00:21:56,104 --> 00:21:59,504
Speaker 2: single file line behind the guide. You couldn't venture off,

420
00:21:59,544 --> 00:22:01,744
Speaker 2: you couldn't go off and take photos because they were

421
00:22:02,184 --> 00:22:05,184
Speaker 2: still very much in the very early days of clearing

422
00:22:05,224 --> 00:22:08,544
Speaker 2: all the landmines, right, So it was really dangerous. But

423
00:22:08,584 --> 00:22:12,584
Speaker 2: I went there with Fernando Okay. So it was the

424
00:22:12,624 --> 00:22:15,504
Speaker 2: same trip as the Indian Ocean tsunami for me. Right

425
00:22:15,704 --> 00:22:20,384
Speaker 2: started in Bangkok, went to Cambodia, went back to Thailand

426
00:22:20,864 --> 00:22:22,424
Speaker 2: and then to Shri Lanka.

427
00:22:22,384 --> 00:22:26,104
Speaker 1: So ankle what yeah, and the temples? Did you How

428
00:22:26,144 --> 00:22:27,264
Speaker 1: much time did you spend there?

429
00:22:27,984 --> 00:22:30,904
Speaker 2: We were there for six days I think, but it

430
00:22:30,984 --> 00:22:33,424
Speaker 2: was like six real days because we had been in

431
00:22:33,504 --> 00:22:36,224
Speaker 2: Southeast Asia for a beat, so it wasn't like we

432
00:22:36,384 --> 00:22:39,904
Speaker 2: arrived exhausted, and you know, it was it was absolutely phenomenal.

433
00:22:40,104 --> 00:22:44,624
Speaker 2: I hear that it's changed entirely right from like that

434
00:22:44,744 --> 00:22:47,944
Speaker 2: road from the airport is now resorts and all these

435
00:22:47,984 --> 00:22:50,624
Speaker 2: like crazy casinos and all these things. And it was

436
00:22:50,704 --> 00:22:53,783
Speaker 2: not that there were a few hotels in that area.

437
00:22:54,864 --> 00:22:57,504
Speaker 2: The alman hadn't opened there yet when I was there,

438
00:22:57,824 --> 00:23:01,264
Speaker 2: and we stayed in like this sort of grand, kind

439
00:23:01,264 --> 00:23:04,023
Speaker 2: of dusty hotel at the end of the of the square.

440
00:23:04,064 --> 00:23:06,184
Speaker 2: But it was we were picked up every day and

441
00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:08,944
Speaker 2: brought exploring to a different site, and it was amazing.

442
00:23:09,424 --> 00:23:10,824
Speaker 1: Did you do hot air balloons?

443
00:23:11,144 --> 00:23:11,543
Speaker 2: Is that? No?

444
00:23:11,664 --> 00:23:14,023
Speaker 1: That was pre Yeah. I have a theory about like

445
00:23:14,064 --> 00:23:16,224
Speaker 1: hot air balloons. I think the only chic thing to

446
00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:18,424
Speaker 1: do is when there's a thousand of them or one

447
00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:21,304
Speaker 1: of them. Yes, And so I would actually, I would,

448
00:23:21,344 --> 00:23:25,464
Speaker 1: actually I actually quite like to do. There's nothing more

449
00:23:25,504 --> 00:23:29,064
Speaker 1: embarrassing than like three hot air balloons like brutal.

450
00:23:29,184 --> 00:23:32,184
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's like it starts to take on the

451
00:23:32,184 --> 00:23:33,544
Speaker 2: form of like a tandem bike.

452
00:23:33,784 --> 00:23:35,263
Speaker 1: Because one of the things that I would love to

453
00:23:35,304 --> 00:23:37,464
Speaker 1: do in the States, and I've done something similar, is

454
00:23:37,504 --> 00:23:39,344
Speaker 1: the Albuquerque Hot air Balloons.

455
00:23:39,384 --> 00:23:39,944
Speaker 2: I've done that.

456
00:23:39,984 --> 00:23:42,224
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, was it kind of amazing?

457
00:23:42,304 --> 00:23:45,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was particularly great. I went with

458
00:23:45,584 --> 00:23:50,543
Speaker 2: my stepfather and my brother and he had organized that

459
00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:53,424
Speaker 2: and our last morning that's what we did, and it

460
00:23:53,504 --> 00:23:56,664
Speaker 2: was really cool. It's really really cool, and I'm fascinated

461
00:23:56,704 --> 00:23:58,384
Speaker 2: by the American Southwest as well.

462
00:23:58,384 --> 00:24:00,224
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love Santa Fe. It's been a bit

463
00:24:00,224 --> 00:24:03,424
Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, it's amazing. It's probably have you ever

464
00:24:03,464 --> 00:24:07,783
Speaker 1: been to the Folk Museum? Yeah, I mean, I mean

465
00:24:07,824 --> 00:24:11,344
Speaker 1: this tends to come up in almost every conversation of

466
00:24:11,344 --> 00:24:14,904
Speaker 1: of all I have with anyone. Aesthetic, it's like insane.

467
00:24:15,064 --> 00:24:18,344
Speaker 2: Well, it's also such an epicenter of crafts. Yeah, and design.

468
00:24:18,784 --> 00:24:20,864
Speaker 2: I mean really, if you look around, it's like, again,

469
00:24:20,984 --> 00:24:24,464
Speaker 2: everything from like amazing. My mother used to call it

470
00:24:24,504 --> 00:24:27,024
Speaker 2: a chunk of turquoise. I'm in pursuit of a chunk

471
00:24:27,064 --> 00:24:30,064
Speaker 2: of turkose. But you know, it's it's just all the

472
00:24:30,104 --> 00:24:32,904
Speaker 2: weaving and the blankets and the textiles mixed with the

473
00:24:32,984 --> 00:24:35,464
Speaker 2: jewelry and all of that stuff. I mean, yeah, bring

474
00:24:35,504 --> 00:24:35,704
Speaker 2: it on.

475
00:24:35,824 --> 00:24:38,184
Speaker 1: It's one of the great American aesthetics.

476
00:24:39,344 --> 00:24:41,144
Speaker 2: Canalyzed beautifully by Ralph.

477
00:24:41,344 --> 00:24:43,464
Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. Actually, I didn't think about.

478
00:24:43,304 --> 00:24:47,384
Speaker 2: That, of course, low Country it's all really yeah, right.

479
00:24:47,224 --> 00:24:51,264
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, just on the on the hot air balloon.

480
00:24:51,304 --> 00:24:55,104
Speaker 1: I still do want to do that above the temples

481
00:24:55,184 --> 00:24:58,704
Speaker 1: dawn with a thousand of them. I think that's so incredible. Yeah,

482
00:24:58,744 --> 00:25:01,504
Speaker 1: And I sort of feel like I'm not the person

483
00:25:01,584 --> 00:25:07,024
Speaker 1: that's so like orthodox about no places can't have visitors,

484
00:25:07,024 --> 00:25:09,144
Speaker 1: you know that it has to stay in the same way.

485
00:25:09,264 --> 00:25:12,144
Speaker 1: Like it's such a like a balance where you know,

486
00:25:12,184 --> 00:25:15,184
Speaker 1: some places are destroyed by too much tourism, but then

487
00:25:15,224 --> 00:25:18,144
Speaker 1: you want people to see it. It's a constant friction

488
00:25:18,264 --> 00:25:22,064
Speaker 1: point for me, Like I think about, like post pandemic,

489
00:25:22,224 --> 00:25:24,744
Speaker 1: going to so many different places actually during the pandemic,

490
00:25:24,744 --> 00:25:27,384
Speaker 1: because I managed to be able to travel in some way,

491
00:25:27,824 --> 00:25:31,504
Speaker 1: and then I would see places that were completely empty

492
00:25:31,824 --> 00:25:34,904
Speaker 1: and it was quite a depressing thing. Yeah, a lot

493
00:25:34,944 --> 00:25:39,144
Speaker 1: of people would talk about how a certain place was empty,

494
00:25:39,584 --> 00:25:41,944
Speaker 1: like Venice, and that was honestly one of the most

495
00:25:41,984 --> 00:25:48,224
Speaker 1: extraordinary things to see poetry in stone. But at the

496
00:25:48,344 --> 00:25:52,384
Speaker 1: same time, if you think about the food culture there,

497
00:25:52,624 --> 00:25:56,064
Speaker 1: the people there that work in hospitality, well almost all

498
00:25:56,104 --> 00:25:59,864
Speaker 1: of them well exactly, and that was kind of a

499
00:25:59,904 --> 00:26:02,864
Speaker 1: devastating thing to see. So, you know, it was kind

500
00:26:02,864 --> 00:26:05,744
Speaker 1: of a great lesson. But do you often travel to Venice?

501
00:26:06,104 --> 00:26:10,023
Speaker 2: I do. Actually, I really love Venice. It's Jeremiah's favorite place, huh.

502
00:26:10,064 --> 00:26:12,064
Speaker 2: And actually, what's really interesting is that it's such a

503
00:26:12,064 --> 00:26:14,984
Speaker 2: special place for Jeremiah and me that we've never brought

504
00:26:14,984 --> 00:26:18,104
Speaker 2: the children, and so our kids are super well traveled.

505
00:26:18,104 --> 00:26:20,904
Speaker 2: Our daughter was the lead flower girl in a friend's

506
00:26:20,904 --> 00:26:24,144
Speaker 2: wedding in Rome at age three, you know, and we've

507
00:26:24,184 --> 00:26:27,944
Speaker 2: been traveling since then. Our children whenever we're leaving, they

508
00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:31,464
Speaker 2: usually say to us, but which Mexico, which is great? Yeah,

509
00:26:32,024 --> 00:26:35,384
Speaker 2: you know, totally. But you know, the kids have been

510
00:26:35,704 --> 00:26:38,024
Speaker 2: a lot of places, and obviously we spend a lot

511
00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:39,944
Speaker 2: a great deal of time in Portugal as well, but

512
00:26:39,984 --> 00:26:42,024
Speaker 2: they've never been to Venice. And I think we're kind

513
00:26:42,064 --> 00:26:43,744
Speaker 2: of saving it because it's.

514
00:26:43,624 --> 00:26:45,904
Speaker 1: Nice, for sure, you know, and I think it's like

515
00:26:46,584 --> 00:26:49,704
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that the first time is

516
00:26:50,744 --> 00:26:54,704
Speaker 1: it of course reveals itself like forever more. You can

517
00:26:54,744 --> 00:26:58,584
Speaker 1: go a million times, a million times, but there's only one.

518
00:26:58,464 --> 00:27:01,064
Speaker 2: First time, correct when the boat goes around the corner

519
00:27:01,064 --> 00:27:04,744
Speaker 2: from the station. No, it's just insane, It's true.

520
00:27:05,184 --> 00:27:07,984
Speaker 1: This episode of Traveling Through is sponsored by Capital One.

521
00:27:08,144 --> 00:27:12,104
Speaker 1: Capital one card holders are passionate about unforgettable experien answers. Together,

522
00:27:12,184 --> 00:27:15,304
Speaker 1: we partner to connect these curious travelers to world cultures

523
00:27:15,424 --> 00:27:18,304
Speaker 1: through expert guided journeys from the peaks of much Epitachu

524
00:27:18,464 --> 00:27:20,664
Speaker 1: to the grand architecture of Vienna. These once in a

525
00:27:20,744 --> 00:27:23,544
Speaker 1: lifetime trips take you somewhere truly off the beaten path.

526
00:27:23,744 --> 00:27:27,944
Speaker 1: Through Capital one Entertainment, eligible cardholders can book exclusive experiences

527
00:27:27,984 --> 00:27:31,144
Speaker 1: and so much more, all while earning elevated rewards. Savor

528
00:27:31,184 --> 00:27:34,224
Speaker 1: card holders an eight percent cash back and venture X

529
00:27:34,504 --> 00:27:37,504
Speaker 1: earns five x miles. Thanks to Capital One, your dream

530
00:27:37,544 --> 00:27:41,504
Speaker 1: getaway is one step closer. I went to Syria right

531
00:27:41,584 --> 00:27:45,304
Speaker 1: before the war, and what was interesting then is that

532
00:27:45,704 --> 00:27:49,384
Speaker 1: it wasn't full of junk because it wasn't geared too.

533
00:27:50,184 --> 00:27:52,263
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes if you go to the Grand Bazaar

534
00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:56,904
Speaker 1: in Istanbul or the Medina in Marrakesh. You find things

535
00:27:56,904 --> 00:28:00,104
Speaker 1: that are just obviously have nothing to do with the place,

536
00:28:00,664 --> 00:28:03,824
Speaker 1: are reproductions, and that can be kind of kind of sad.

537
00:28:04,104 --> 00:28:06,384
Speaker 2: I just once at the Grand Bazaar and had to

538
00:28:06,424 --> 00:28:11,424
Speaker 2: have this like set of twelve balls desperately. I had

539
00:28:11,464 --> 00:28:13,944
Speaker 2: not seen the motif, I had not seen the glazing,

540
00:28:13,984 --> 00:28:16,224
Speaker 2: I had not seen anything. They were like an ecot

541
00:28:16,264 --> 00:28:19,624
Speaker 2: pattern on the exterior, and then this really beautiful medallion

542
00:28:19,664 --> 00:28:22,064
Speaker 2: in the bottom. And I hesitated because I didn't want

543
00:28:22,104 --> 00:28:24,584
Speaker 2: to carry them. And then they of course were like,

544
00:28:24,624 --> 00:28:26,784
Speaker 2: no problem, we can ship them, and I was like, okay, great,

545
00:28:27,424 --> 00:28:29,184
Speaker 2: So I bought them, and then I came home and

546
00:28:29,184 --> 00:28:32,784
Speaker 2: they were in the anthropology catalog. I was like, what's happening?

547
00:28:33,024 --> 00:28:36,184
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I went with two of my closest

548
00:28:36,224 --> 00:28:40,224
Speaker 1: friends last year, actually, both whom are very spiritual and

549
00:28:40,304 --> 00:28:44,384
Speaker 1: not about possessions. But evidently I took off down the

550
00:28:44,944 --> 00:28:48,104
Speaker 1: down the kind of alley in the Grand Bazaar and

551
00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:50,504
Speaker 1: then I turned around. I was like, where are the girls,

552
00:28:51,024 --> 00:28:53,744
Speaker 1: Like what are they doing? And I was completely lost,

553
00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,984
Speaker 1: had no idea. Backtracked a little bit and then it

554
00:28:57,064 --> 00:29:00,504
Speaker 1: was counterfeit ali and what what do I do? But

555
00:29:00,584 --> 00:29:02,624
Speaker 1: then I go in there and they're like, these are

556
00:29:02,664 --> 00:29:05,904
Speaker 1: perfectly Chanelle. I mean they're probably the same makers. Blah

557
00:29:05,944 --> 00:29:08,824
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Anyway, so they left with Chanelle's

558
00:29:08,824 --> 00:29:10,784
Speaker 1: shoes and I had to buy something in order to

559
00:29:10,784 --> 00:29:13,304
Speaker 1: get them out of the Just let me go. I

560
00:29:13,384 --> 00:29:16,224
Speaker 1: often travel to food markets YEP as the first jumping

561
00:29:16,224 --> 00:29:18,064
Speaker 1: off point when I go to a place, i'd sell

562
00:29:18,104 --> 00:29:20,424
Speaker 1: people all the time. My background is in food, so

563
00:29:21,024 --> 00:29:23,304
Speaker 1: I look there and that's kind of my map to

564
00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:25,864
Speaker 1: a menu for all the seasons or even the environment.

565
00:29:25,904 --> 00:29:30,904
Speaker 1: I understand that you go to markets like market market. Yeah,

566
00:29:30,944 --> 00:29:34,104
Speaker 1: and we just did a trip together prior and Capital

567
00:29:34,144 --> 00:29:37,824
Speaker 1: One and you too to Merida, which I like. That's

568
00:29:37,864 --> 00:29:40,304
Speaker 1: a place of great craft and things that you can

569
00:29:40,344 --> 00:29:41,264
Speaker 1: find in the market.

570
00:29:42,224 --> 00:29:45,984
Speaker 2: You know. It's also such an interesting intersection. Meredia. I

571
00:29:46,024 --> 00:29:49,904
Speaker 2: was very good friends with the painter and sculptor James

572
00:29:49,944 --> 00:29:53,464
Speaker 2: Brown and his wife Alexandra Brown. They had a publishing

573
00:29:53,904 --> 00:29:57,984
Speaker 2: house in Mereada. He painted in Mereada. They raised their

574
00:29:58,024 --> 00:30:01,024
Speaker 2: children in a hacienda, and Wahaka sort of left New

575
00:30:01,104 --> 00:30:03,304
Speaker 2: York in the eighties. He was represented by Castelli. It

576
00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:05,984
Speaker 2: was a really interesting time and the children used to

577
00:30:05,984 --> 00:30:08,864
Speaker 2: come greet visitors with like spiders crawling up their arms,

578
00:30:08,904 --> 00:30:10,704
Speaker 2: and I remember the jeweler Kenny Lane was like the

579
00:30:11,064 --> 00:30:13,504
Speaker 2: my own children are savages and it's just like this

580
00:30:13,664 --> 00:30:17,144
Speaker 2: really like great world. But they were the ones that

581
00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:20,544
Speaker 2: introduced me to Mereda because they bought a one of

582
00:30:20,584 --> 00:30:23,304
Speaker 2: those great houses that looks like nothing from the street

583
00:30:23,304 --> 00:30:28,064
Speaker 2: and then open zone. They're so beautiful, They're so incredible.

584
00:30:28,224 --> 00:30:30,784
Speaker 2: So my first trip was with them, And you know,

585
00:30:30,824 --> 00:30:33,144
Speaker 2: I think in travel and in life, we have these

586
00:30:33,184 --> 00:30:35,024
Speaker 2: people who are sort of like our shirt bahs who

587
00:30:35,024 --> 00:30:38,224
Speaker 2: guide us and like whatever experience we have, if they're present,

588
00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:41,184
Speaker 2: they make something that much more magical. And the Brown

589
00:30:41,264 --> 00:30:43,664
Speaker 2: family was definitely like that for me in my twenties,

590
00:30:43,704 --> 00:30:48,144
Speaker 2: and I remember being totally taken with Mereda then. So

591
00:30:48,224 --> 00:30:50,304
Speaker 2: to be able to bring a group of people back

592
00:30:50,384 --> 00:30:53,504
Speaker 2: with Prior and Capital One was the most incredible experience

593
00:30:53,504 --> 00:30:55,344
Speaker 2: for me because I have a lot of friends there.

594
00:30:56,064 --> 00:30:58,624
Speaker 2: I love it there. I sort of, you know, am

595
00:30:58,704 --> 00:31:01,944
Speaker 2: fascinated still by it, and it also is a city

596
00:31:01,984 --> 00:31:05,304
Speaker 2: that's growing and has continued to grow in I guess

597
00:31:05,384 --> 00:31:07,304
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm the correct person to say, but

598
00:31:07,384 --> 00:31:09,304
Speaker 2: what the right way.

599
00:31:09,184 --> 00:31:11,704
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. When you're go

600
00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:13,584
Speaker 1: into Merida, what do you buy there? What do you

601
00:31:13,664 --> 00:31:13,944
Speaker 1: take on?

602
00:31:14,224 --> 00:31:18,264
Speaker 2: I mean it's embarrassing. I had like a suitcase. Christy Slocum,

603
00:31:18,264 --> 00:31:21,104
Speaker 2: who's here while we're recording, had to bring a suitcase

604
00:31:21,144 --> 00:31:24,624
Speaker 2: of stuff from Mereda to our home in Portugal because

605
00:31:24,704 --> 00:31:27,384
Speaker 2: I needed it because Architectural Digest was coming to shoot

606
00:31:27,384 --> 00:31:30,304
Speaker 2: the house in Portugal a week after that trip, and

607
00:31:30,384 --> 00:31:33,584
Speaker 2: so I was like, these tassels, I need these embroidered

608
00:31:33,864 --> 00:31:36,664
Speaker 2: I need these embroidered pillow covers for the children's bed.

609
00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:42,144
Speaker 2: Quite works well in like it does work like that

610
00:31:42,184 --> 00:31:45,544
Speaker 2: whole like yeah, comport meat and we're in the North Alent,

611
00:31:46,024 --> 00:31:48,744
Speaker 2: so it's like it's like a very rustic, kind of

612
00:31:48,784 --> 00:31:52,464
Speaker 2: funny situation. The house is not, but but all of

613
00:31:52,464 --> 00:31:55,424
Speaker 2: my homes, all of my interiors have always been filled

614
00:31:55,464 --> 00:31:59,224
Speaker 2: with Mexican craft since day one. And my beach bag

615
00:31:59,304 --> 00:32:01,864
Speaker 2: is from you know, chop Us, and like it's just

616
00:32:01,984 --> 00:32:07,104
Speaker 2: I've I just feel very I feel great surrounding myself

617
00:32:07,304 --> 00:32:09,104
Speaker 2: with things that have been made by hand.

618
00:32:09,384 --> 00:32:11,824
Speaker 1: Well, it was literally what was about to come out

619
00:32:11,864 --> 00:32:14,024
Speaker 1: of my mouth when I think of Mexico and I think,

620
00:32:14,344 --> 00:32:18,624
Speaker 1: you know, there's kind of superpowers of every place by

621
00:32:18,704 --> 00:32:20,864
Speaker 1: hand is what I think about when I think about

622
00:32:20,904 --> 00:32:25,344
Speaker 1: Mexico and I think about it from of course exactly,

623
00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:28,504
Speaker 1: I think is completely.

624
00:32:28,104 --> 00:32:31,384
Speaker 2: All crafted by hand. The chips exactly, I mean, you know,

625
00:32:31,504 --> 00:32:34,864
Speaker 2: and that's my dad is my biggest barometer for a

626
00:32:34,944 --> 00:32:39,024
Speaker 2: Mexican destination, because I have traveled extensively throughout Mexico, the

627
00:32:39,104 --> 00:32:42,024
Speaker 2: colonial cities and all these things, and inland and the

628
00:32:42,064 --> 00:32:45,304
Speaker 2: interior of the country I find more interesting than the coasts.

629
00:32:45,344 --> 00:32:47,864
Speaker 2: But if you sit down and you have a bad chip,

630
00:32:48,024 --> 00:32:48,464
Speaker 2: I'm out.

631
00:32:49,024 --> 00:32:51,704
Speaker 1: So why why did you choose Portugal?

632
00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,944
Speaker 2: We have conflicting stories about this in our family. I

633
00:32:55,024 --> 00:32:59,584
Speaker 2: wanted visas for our family. It was during Trump's first presidency. Well,

634
00:33:00,184 --> 00:33:06,824
Speaker 2: Jeremiah wanted a beautiful place, and he's actually Portuguese on

635
00:33:06,864 --> 00:33:09,544
Speaker 2: his mother's side. I had no idea family from the Azores,

636
00:33:10,264 --> 00:33:12,424
Speaker 2: which is why he looks like that, which is so annoying,

637
00:33:13,304 --> 00:33:16,664
Speaker 2: Like he had to come from an island where everybody's beautiful.

638
00:33:16,704 --> 00:33:19,624
Speaker 2: It's a wonder woman like this is so stupid. So

639
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:24,464
Speaker 2: he has Portuguese background, does not speak Portuguese yet because

640
00:33:24,464 --> 00:33:27,104
Speaker 2: it sort of died off with his grandmother. But we

641
00:33:27,224 --> 00:33:29,704
Speaker 2: have a really good friend who lived in New York

642
00:33:29,824 --> 00:33:33,584
Speaker 2: for fifteen years, quit New York and moved back to

643
00:33:33,624 --> 00:33:37,384
Speaker 2: Portugalese Portuguese, but not to Porto where he was from,

644
00:33:37,864 --> 00:33:41,384
Speaker 2: to this region and the Alan Tajhow that is really

645
00:33:41,424 --> 00:33:44,224
Speaker 2: really special. I went through this whole thing, you know,

646
00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:48,264
Speaker 2: Marjorie Goobleman. Marjorie was doing this whole program.

647
00:33:48,824 --> 00:33:49,624
Speaker 1: I've never actually met.

648
00:33:50,064 --> 00:33:52,304
Speaker 2: Really, No, she was like my first friend in New York.

649
00:33:52,384 --> 00:33:56,424
Speaker 2: Oh really, she's so yeah, beyond iconic. So she said

650
00:33:56,424 --> 00:33:59,024
Speaker 2: to me, I'm leaving New York. I'm moving to Lisbon.

651
00:33:59,144 --> 00:34:00,664
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a poor old lady. It's

652
00:34:00,704 --> 00:34:03,904
Speaker 2: not a good look for me. I said, that's really true.

653
00:34:04,064 --> 00:34:07,344
Speaker 2: That's a terrible look for you. No truer words ever spoken.

654
00:34:08,143 --> 00:34:10,383
Speaker 1: We were ironically. Of course, she would be the last

655
00:34:10,384 --> 00:34:11,464
Speaker 1: person that would be like that.

656
00:34:11,984 --> 00:34:14,344
Speaker 2: She would be, I mean, who knows. She's very smart

657
00:34:14,544 --> 00:34:17,584
Speaker 2: in that old waspy way. She knows exactly how much

658
00:34:17,623 --> 00:34:20,823
Speaker 2: everything should cost, and she gets very excited with a

659
00:34:20,864 --> 00:34:23,703
Speaker 2: two year row uber. She calls me to tell me,

660
00:34:23,984 --> 00:34:26,504
Speaker 2: I call is probably more expensive than the uber, but

661
00:34:26,623 --> 00:34:28,984
Speaker 2: I will say that, you know, I went through this

662
00:34:29,024 --> 00:34:31,743
Speaker 2: whole thing and did all the paperwork in the it's

663
00:34:31,783 --> 00:34:34,263
Speaker 2: a zoo and I hate stuff like that, like apostle

664
00:34:34,384 --> 00:34:36,864
Speaker 2: documents and whatever. And then I put all the paperwork

665
00:34:36,864 --> 00:34:38,904
Speaker 2: in front of Jeremiah and instead of signing it, he

666
00:34:38,984 --> 00:34:42,264
Speaker 2: called our friend Andre Vianna and said, isn't there anything

667
00:34:42,344 --> 00:34:45,424
Speaker 2: like amazing? Have you seen anything? And Andre said, I

668
00:34:45,584 --> 00:34:48,104
Speaker 2: actually was going to buy this farm. I don't need it,

669
00:34:48,143 --> 00:34:49,943
Speaker 2: I don't want it, but it's so beautiful. I don't

670
00:34:49,944 --> 00:34:52,663
Speaker 2: want anyone to ruin it come tomorrow, which we did,

671
00:34:53,183 --> 00:34:55,944
Speaker 2: and we bought it that afternoon, and then we flew

672
00:34:55,984 --> 00:34:57,783
Speaker 2: home and looked at each other and we're sort of like,

673
00:34:57,783 --> 00:34:59,903
Speaker 2: what have we done? But Portugal has been a really

674
00:34:59,904 --> 00:35:01,904
Speaker 2: interesting place for me. It was never really on a

675
00:35:01,944 --> 00:35:04,343
Speaker 2: bucket list. It was never something I paid attention to.

676
00:35:04,864 --> 00:35:06,544
Speaker 2: I don't eat seafood, so all of that.

677
00:35:07,944 --> 00:35:10,024
Speaker 1: But you're a little bit in your inland, right.

678
00:35:10,183 --> 00:35:12,703
Speaker 2: We are inland, but we spend summers there as well.

679
00:35:12,743 --> 00:35:14,863
Speaker 2: We rent a house at the beach in comport of

680
00:35:15,143 --> 00:35:20,183
Speaker 2: every other French puth's beautiful. Yeah, I love it. Our

681
00:35:20,223 --> 00:35:23,743
Speaker 2: friends are always kind of inviting us to their desolate

682
00:35:23,783 --> 00:35:26,263
Speaker 2: beaches and sometimes we go but often we stay at

683
00:35:26,263 --> 00:35:27,944
Speaker 2: our club with the button where they bring you a

684
00:35:28,024 --> 00:35:30,183
Speaker 2: Sunday when you press it. So I mean, we have

685
00:35:30,223 --> 00:35:32,343
Speaker 2: a really nice group of friends there. And we also

686
00:35:32,384 --> 00:35:36,143
Speaker 2: have this incredibly beautiful parcel of land. It's a it's

687
00:35:36,143 --> 00:35:40,344
Speaker 2: an eighteenth century working farm with water channels and two springs,

688
00:35:40,384 --> 00:35:44,623
Speaker 2: so it's completely self sustainable. We have sheep and three

689
00:35:44,663 --> 00:35:49,424
Speaker 2: massive dogs and three peacock and olive trees and every

690
00:35:49,544 --> 00:35:52,823
Speaker 2: fruit grove and the fruit is delicious and we make

691
00:35:52,904 --> 00:35:55,584
Speaker 2: orange juice every morning. And I'm hesitant when I'm talking

692
00:35:55,584 --> 00:35:58,863
Speaker 2: about it, because I really have this sensitivity towards like

693
00:35:59,064 --> 00:36:02,304
Speaker 2: people from anywhere else who you know, have successful careers

694
00:36:02,303 --> 00:36:04,143
Speaker 2: and then they move to this rural place and they're like,

695
00:36:04,183 --> 00:36:06,223
Speaker 2: it's so quiet, it's so amazing, And it's like, right,

696
00:36:06,303 --> 00:36:08,303
Speaker 2: it's so quiet and so amazing because you have the

697
00:36:08,344 --> 00:36:09,584
Speaker 2: money to be able to do that.

698
00:36:09,783 --> 00:36:12,383
Speaker 1: Hey, but I think that, like yes, And also I

699
00:36:12,464 --> 00:36:15,503
Speaker 1: know because a lot of these communities are dying out

700
00:36:15,584 --> 00:36:17,183
Speaker 1: and if they don't get.

701
00:36:17,223 --> 00:36:20,703
Speaker 2: That's the best part, because we are integrated into this

702
00:36:21,263 --> 00:36:24,464
Speaker 2: village and the people that help us with the farm

703
00:36:24,504 --> 00:36:28,144
Speaker 2: are all from the village, and so it's so great

704
00:36:28,183 --> 00:36:30,824
Speaker 2: and there's so much goodwill around our family and around

705
00:36:30,824 --> 00:36:33,743
Speaker 2: our children in this area, and people don't bad and

706
00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:35,663
Speaker 2: eye when they see two men with their kids in

707
00:36:35,703 --> 00:36:39,783
Speaker 2: the grocery store, never once. Conversely, they watch old episodes

708
00:36:39,824 --> 00:36:43,703
Speaker 2: of our makeover show in like rural Portugal and they're

709
00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:46,783
Speaker 2: like the guys, the guys, the guys, and we're like, yes,

710
00:36:46,864 --> 00:36:49,544
Speaker 2: we're the guys. Now do you say a pound of

711
00:36:49,623 --> 00:36:52,823
Speaker 2: ground beef? So it's great, said, The Portuguese is coming

712
00:36:52,864 --> 00:36:56,024
Speaker 2: along somehow. I mean, listen, I can sort of get by.

713
00:36:56,183 --> 00:37:00,263
Speaker 2: I speak French and can get my way through Spanish

714
00:37:00,344 --> 00:37:03,024
Speaker 2: and Italian if I need to. So there's certain things

715
00:37:03,064 --> 00:37:05,503
Speaker 2: I can understand when somebody's speaking to me. But I'm

716
00:37:05,544 --> 00:37:06,783
Speaker 2: really there's no vowels.

717
00:37:06,944 --> 00:37:08,584
Speaker 1: I'm completely lost with Portuguese.

718
00:37:08,623 --> 00:37:12,223
Speaker 2: It's horrifying. Yeah, it's really hard. It sounds like a

719
00:37:12,303 --> 00:37:15,343
Speaker 2: cross between like Spanish and Russian to me, like it's

720
00:37:15,344 --> 00:37:17,384
Speaker 2: just a very or some like or check or something.

721
00:37:17,384 --> 00:37:20,424
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't I it's it's it's tough.

722
00:37:20,743 --> 00:37:23,064
Speaker 1: I know that there's there's been such a huge expat

723
00:37:23,104 --> 00:37:26,304
Speaker 1: surge and revival kind of. I remember going to Christian

724
00:37:26,424 --> 00:37:29,224
Speaker 1: lu Button's house, yeah, because he was the like early

725
00:37:29,263 --> 00:37:32,863
Speaker 1: adopter Earl of Lisbon. And then of course he has

726
00:37:33,223 --> 00:37:36,864
Speaker 1: an incredible hotel in Militis, which is just south of Comporter,

727
00:37:37,104 --> 00:37:40,263
Speaker 1: and I know there's a big it's a huge community

728
00:37:40,344 --> 00:37:44,584
Speaker 1: there in in Lisbon, and that's given a new life

729
00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:46,703
Speaker 1: to it, and there's also risks, and I think that

730
00:37:46,743 --> 00:37:48,504
Speaker 1: they need to thread the needle a little bit do.

731
00:37:48,783 --> 00:37:52,623
Speaker 1: But in the countryside, people I think forget that Portugal

732
00:37:52,864 --> 00:37:54,943
Speaker 1: was like the poor man of Europe in a lot

733
00:37:54,944 --> 00:37:58,104
Speaker 1: of ways, and it was under a fascist dictatorship until

734
00:37:58,263 --> 00:37:59,223
Speaker 1: not that long ago.

735
00:37:59,424 --> 00:38:02,944
Speaker 2: Well, the whole aristocracy and most of the wealthy families

736
00:38:02,984 --> 00:38:05,944
Speaker 2: had to flee to Brazil, you know, for most of

737
00:38:05,984 --> 00:38:09,263
Speaker 2: the sixties and some of the seventies as well, and

738
00:38:09,703 --> 00:38:12,623
Speaker 2: when they returned, they came back to an economy that

739
00:38:12,743 --> 00:38:16,783
Speaker 2: was really broken. So Portugal is like thirty years behind

740
00:38:16,824 --> 00:38:19,544
Speaker 2: the rest of you. That has its charm, but there

741
00:38:19,783 --> 00:38:23,343
Speaker 2: is this sort of innate joy that we've found. It's

742
00:38:23,783 --> 00:38:28,424
Speaker 2: very very family center. It's obviously very focused on nature

743
00:38:28,584 --> 00:38:34,903
Speaker 2: and preservation and slow sort of living and thoughtful interaction,

744
00:38:35,623 --> 00:38:39,544
Speaker 2: and that is that obviously will have has a universal appeal.

745
00:38:39,743 --> 00:38:42,143
Speaker 1: I have a friend, you know, Noah, who has the

746
00:38:42,143 --> 00:38:46,983
Speaker 1: project in Situs. Yeah, so effectively, what in situ is

747
00:38:46,984 --> 00:38:49,944
Speaker 1: is that they kind of work with particular communities to

748
00:38:50,584 --> 00:38:56,263
Speaker 1: maintain and revive artisanal crafts. He's a very very contemporary designer.

749
00:38:56,344 --> 00:38:59,223
Speaker 1: He just did this like lighting collection for Diore, but

750
00:38:59,303 --> 00:39:01,584
Speaker 1: he's got this amazing project, so he tries to look

751
00:39:01,584 --> 00:39:04,223
Speaker 1: at the vernacular of a particular place and then preserve it.

752
00:39:04,544 --> 00:39:07,504
Speaker 1: I say that because there's two things that people I

753
00:39:07,544 --> 00:39:11,384
Speaker 1: think don't really realize in Portugal. I wonder if you agree, like, actually,

754
00:39:11,464 --> 00:39:14,984
Speaker 1: if you've got made in Portugal shoes, you're on a winner, right,

755
00:39:15,064 --> 00:39:18,863
Speaker 1: And then also sheets, yeah, and the embroidery, like you

756
00:39:18,904 --> 00:39:20,943
Speaker 1: get into some of those nuns, Like.

757
00:39:21,384 --> 00:39:26,143
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable equality. And I would also say, you know

758
00:39:26,223 --> 00:39:29,464
Speaker 2: a lot of what I sell things at mass so

759
00:39:29,544 --> 00:39:32,703
Speaker 2: I can pay for the gardener in Portugal, but you know,

760
00:39:32,783 --> 00:39:35,183
Speaker 2: I sell bath mats made in Portugal to put the

761
00:39:35,303 --> 00:39:39,663
Speaker 2: money back into Portugal. There you bath MAT's are high quality, exactly,

762
00:39:39,703 --> 00:39:42,064
Speaker 2: there you go. But what I think is really interesting

763
00:39:42,104 --> 00:39:45,383
Speaker 2: about craft as it applies to Portugal is that there

764
00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:49,704
Speaker 2: is sort of nothing of bad quality, and even these

765
00:39:49,824 --> 00:39:53,263
Speaker 2: mills that are mass producing things for these US or

766
00:39:53,504 --> 00:39:57,663
Speaker 2: European department stores and things like that, even the Spanish

767
00:39:57,663 --> 00:40:00,904
Speaker 2: department stores. I mean most of the cotton, almost cotton

768
00:40:00,944 --> 00:40:03,503
Speaker 2: in Spain is from Portugal. So it's like even those

769
00:40:03,544 --> 00:40:06,783
Speaker 2: great kids clothes, like the most Spanish children's closing is

770
00:40:06,824 --> 00:40:09,183
Speaker 2: the most beautiful in the world to me, but like

771
00:40:09,344 --> 00:40:13,304
Speaker 2: all of that is made or the material is from Portugal.

772
00:40:13,424 --> 00:40:16,263
Speaker 2: But there's just so much of that there and it's

773
00:40:16,384 --> 00:40:18,143
Speaker 2: so so great.

774
00:40:18,663 --> 00:40:20,424
Speaker 1: Does it feel like that house has a sense of

775
00:40:20,464 --> 00:40:21,343
Speaker 1: permanence view?

776
00:40:22,183 --> 00:40:25,304
Speaker 2: We feel very much like the caretakers like that Paddock campaign,

777
00:40:25,344 --> 00:40:27,944
Speaker 2: basically like you never own it, you just hang on

778
00:40:27,984 --> 00:40:30,423
Speaker 2: to it to the next generation. It's like that's sort

779
00:40:30,464 --> 00:40:33,744
Speaker 2: of what I feel is the is the calling around

780
00:40:33,743 --> 00:40:36,904
Speaker 2: the house and sort of the the tenant that we

781
00:40:37,024 --> 00:40:41,024
Speaker 2: both feel and are very activated by. And interestingly enough,

782
00:40:41,544 --> 00:40:44,703
Speaker 2: we renovated Jeremiah did not me, renovated one of the

783
00:40:44,743 --> 00:40:47,183
Speaker 2: homes on the on the land on the farm for

784
00:40:47,263 --> 00:40:50,943
Speaker 2: his parents, so his mom and stepfather lived there full time,

785
00:40:51,143 --> 00:40:55,064
Speaker 2: and we basically at any given moment of three generations

786
00:40:55,223 --> 00:40:58,824
Speaker 2: already so that already sort of kicked off what I feel.

787
00:40:59,064 --> 00:41:02,504
Speaker 2: And our daughter has already said that that's where she

788
00:41:02,584 --> 00:41:04,864
Speaker 2: wants to be married, So I hope that's.

789
00:41:04,703 --> 00:41:11,823
Speaker 1: True, sonight. We like every time, every time a friend

790
00:41:11,864 --> 00:41:14,464
Speaker 1: comes on, I ask them some questions, kind of like

791
00:41:14,504 --> 00:41:17,663
Speaker 1: a lightning round. Let's say, so, where's a place that

792
00:41:17,663 --> 00:41:21,143
Speaker 1: you would always return Portugal? Where's a place you never

793
00:41:21,183 --> 00:41:21,623
Speaker 1: go back?

794
00:41:22,064 --> 00:41:25,024
Speaker 2: Carbo? And I'm forced to go back because everybody has

795
00:41:25,064 --> 00:41:29,344
Speaker 2: a party there. Really, yes, everyone from Los Angeles thinks

796
00:41:29,344 --> 00:41:30,904
Speaker 2: it's the coolest place in the world.

797
00:41:31,143 --> 00:41:33,504
Speaker 1: Maybe I have no friends, you does not have?

798
00:41:33,904 --> 00:41:35,463
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know you have.

799
00:41:35,384 --> 00:41:37,784
Speaker 1: The right friends. Do you have a favorite hotel?

800
00:41:38,104 --> 00:41:41,904
Speaker 2: No, not one. I mean I really love a well

801
00:41:42,024 --> 00:41:46,464
Speaker 2: run hotel, something sort of either historic or designed forward.

802
00:41:46,623 --> 00:41:49,264
Speaker 1: What's the What's the one that first comes to mind

803
00:41:49,384 --> 00:41:50,183
Speaker 1: when you say.

804
00:41:49,944 --> 00:41:53,143
Speaker 2: That, the Hacienda de San Antonio, which was leased by

805
00:41:53,143 --> 00:41:57,424
Speaker 2: the Amman in Kolima in Mexico. It was Alex Goldsmith's Yeah.

806
00:41:57,263 --> 00:41:59,944
Speaker 1: You have property and he has a Cuish maler.

807
00:42:00,223 --> 00:42:03,703
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And it was this kind of incredible place

808
00:42:03,984 --> 00:42:09,424
Speaker 2: in this dewey, foggy hilltop in the central highlands of Mexico.

809
00:42:09,544 --> 00:42:12,064
Speaker 2: But I think it's still there, but it's not run

810
00:42:12,104 --> 00:42:14,744
Speaker 2: by I'm on any longer, and not that that matters.

811
00:42:14,783 --> 00:42:16,864
Speaker 2: But you know it's sort of amazing.

812
00:42:16,944 --> 00:42:20,984
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had that fantastical, eccentric English thing that like

813
00:42:21,183 --> 00:42:23,503
Speaker 1: sometimes when it's brought to bear in a particular place,

814
00:42:23,584 --> 00:42:24,944
Speaker 1: can make something truly magical.

815
00:42:25,064 --> 00:42:26,743
Speaker 2: Magical, Yes, exactly.

816
00:42:27,024 --> 00:42:29,504
Speaker 1: What about a memorable meal or favorite restaurant.

817
00:42:29,824 --> 00:42:32,343
Speaker 2: I kind of have a favorite restaurant everywhere I go,

818
00:42:32,984 --> 00:42:36,104
Speaker 2: and I mean everywhere I go. Like in Chicago, where

819
00:42:36,183 --> 00:42:38,863
Speaker 2: I have offices, it's Pennies Noodle Shop where you can

820
00:42:38,904 --> 00:42:40,824
Speaker 2: have Thai food for seven dollars.

821
00:42:40,824 --> 00:42:43,143
Speaker 1: But it's is a great food town.

822
00:42:43,223 --> 00:42:46,824
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a great food town. In Milan, it's Lungey.

823
00:42:48,183 --> 00:42:54,663
Speaker 2: In Paris, It's Shay George in Lisbon. I actually like

824
00:42:54,783 --> 00:42:57,743
Speaker 2: jinse Kwai Asia, like really into that menu. I think

825
00:42:57,743 --> 00:42:59,623
Speaker 2: it makes me really and their kids love it. So

826
00:42:59,783 --> 00:43:02,383
Speaker 2: there's a spot wherever we are that that's sort of

827
00:43:02,384 --> 00:43:03,504
Speaker 2: we always go back to.

828
00:43:04,143 --> 00:43:06,584
Speaker 1: What about museum or cultural institution.

829
00:43:06,824 --> 00:43:11,224
Speaker 2: I actually really like the Raina Sofia in Madrid. I'm

830
00:43:11,223 --> 00:43:13,143
Speaker 2: not sure why I'm so drawn to it and so

831
00:43:13,263 --> 00:43:17,064
Speaker 2: happy and comfortable there. Probably because the interiors are largely intact,

832
00:43:17,384 --> 00:43:19,544
Speaker 2: and I like to see that. I don't love an

833
00:43:19,584 --> 00:43:22,223
Speaker 2: empty room. My eye kind of just skips over it

834
00:43:22,263 --> 00:43:25,743
Speaker 2: too quickly. But when there's like furniture, it makes me

835
00:43:25,783 --> 00:43:28,343
Speaker 2: really happy. I think here in New York, the Noi

836
00:43:28,424 --> 00:43:31,703
Speaker 2: Gallery is one of the most beautiful museums in the world.

837
00:43:31,864 --> 00:43:33,424
Speaker 1: Also one of the best gift shops.

838
00:43:33,544 --> 00:43:38,023
Speaker 2: Yes, incredible. Yeah, and great library like in that gift

839
00:43:38,024 --> 00:43:38,743
Speaker 2: shop as well.

840
00:43:38,824 --> 00:43:41,184
Speaker 1: Okay, well this is probably impossible for you, but shop

841
00:43:41,223 --> 00:43:45,024
Speaker 1: all market. Oh it's not good at all market.

842
00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:50,184
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the best market in the entire world

843
00:43:50,623 --> 00:43:54,743
Speaker 2: is the flea market in Parma. Oh well, I mean,

844
00:43:55,384 --> 00:43:59,903
Speaker 2: I cannot get I mean it's it's not charming. It's

845
00:43:59,944 --> 00:44:01,544
Speaker 2: a series of airplane hangars.

846
00:44:01,743 --> 00:44:02,824
Speaker 1: It's a convention center.

847
00:44:02,904 --> 00:44:07,464
Speaker 2: It is, for sure convention center, but the hangars are divided.

848
00:44:07,504 --> 00:44:08,264
Speaker 2: You've been, I'm.

849
00:44:08,263 --> 00:44:10,744
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually for the first time really October.

850
00:44:10,904 --> 00:44:13,383
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I'm so jealous. Yeah, I've been

851
00:44:13,384 --> 00:44:16,743
Speaker 2: in a beat. But the first time I went, I

852
00:44:16,783 --> 00:44:19,504
Speaker 2: was dating this guy who lived in Milan. A friend

853
00:44:19,504 --> 00:44:21,424
Speaker 2: of mine was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go

854
00:44:21,464 --> 00:44:23,984
Speaker 2: to Parma. It's a flea market. If you're interested. I'm like,

855
00:44:24,024 --> 00:44:27,984
Speaker 2: if I'm interested, And I went, and I had nothing

856
00:44:28,024 --> 00:44:29,343
Speaker 2: with me, and we were going to go for a

857
00:44:29,384 --> 00:44:32,064
Speaker 2: couple of hours and come back to Milan and I

858
00:44:32,104 --> 00:44:36,064
Speaker 2: bought a toothbrush, I got a hotel room, I wore

859
00:44:36,104 --> 00:44:39,383
Speaker 2: the same clothes. I'm not leading there exactly, Like this

860
00:44:39,424 --> 00:44:41,143
Speaker 2: could burn down and I'm still going to be the

861
00:44:41,183 --> 00:44:42,104
Speaker 2: last person out of it.

862
00:44:42,223 --> 00:44:44,904
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because it's somewhat entire. You know

863
00:44:44,944 --> 00:44:48,064
Speaker 1: a lot of these fairs have been a little hollowed

864
00:44:48,104 --> 00:44:51,223
Speaker 1: out by the online auction houses, but this one really

865
00:44:51,223 --> 00:44:55,064
Speaker 1: really nice. Yeah, it's definitely worth going. I have a

866
00:44:55,064 --> 00:44:57,104
Speaker 1: great friend who helped me with my apartment in Milan

867
00:44:57,143 --> 00:45:01,503
Speaker 1: called Fanny, who has studio Dragon, and so she's sort

868
00:45:01,504 --> 00:45:05,064
Speaker 1: of like guiding me gently and or not so gently,

869
00:45:05,384 --> 00:45:08,624
Speaker 1: And we went there and it was kind of heaven.

870
00:45:08,944 --> 00:45:11,223
Speaker 2: So I well, also it was like a time in

871
00:45:11,303 --> 00:45:13,703
Speaker 2: Milan when there was nothing to buy. There were like

872
00:45:13,864 --> 00:45:17,424
Speaker 2: four antique stealers or vintage stealers. And I remember this

873
00:45:17,544 --> 00:45:22,864
Speaker 2: was JJ Martin and me before JJ started her company,

874
00:45:23,183 --> 00:45:25,504
Speaker 2: so she kind of had nothing to do. I certainly

875
00:45:25,504 --> 00:45:29,024
Speaker 2: had nothing to do. And in Milanai's slaying, there's a

876
00:45:29,223 --> 00:45:33,024
Speaker 2: there's term called a shura, which you know, JJ and

877
00:45:33,104 --> 00:45:36,783
Speaker 2: I were like the veramente shura, like we were the

878
00:45:36,824 --> 00:45:40,944
Speaker 2: housewives wearing like the Berbery raincoat and the gold jewelry

879
00:45:41,064 --> 00:45:45,663
Speaker 2: and just hanging out at sant Ambrose and getting frank.

880
00:45:46,904 --> 00:45:48,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I'm on the right track.

881
00:45:48,944 --> 00:45:50,263
Speaker 2: You are doing a really good job.

882
00:45:50,263 --> 00:45:54,543
Speaker 1: Actually, maybe not my app general attitude, the mental state,

883
00:45:54,584 --> 00:45:55,663
Speaker 1: it is very very much.

884
00:45:55,703 --> 00:45:57,784
Speaker 2: I can feel it. It's a kindred spirit.

885
00:45:57,944 --> 00:46:02,064
Speaker 1: So I ask everyone where they would, in an ideal world,

886
00:46:02,544 --> 00:46:05,904
Speaker 1: removing all constraints of our lives or distance, where they'd

887
00:46:05,904 --> 00:46:08,823
Speaker 1: like to spend a weekend, a week, a month, and

888
00:46:08,904 --> 00:46:09,263
Speaker 1: a year.

889
00:46:10,743 --> 00:46:16,904
Speaker 2: I would spend a weekend in maybe Rome, a week

890
00:46:17,143 --> 00:46:19,743
Speaker 2: in the Yuka ten. I don't want to be there

891
00:46:19,743 --> 00:46:22,944
Speaker 2: for a month because my hair gets weird. I would

892
00:46:22,944 --> 00:46:26,703
Speaker 2: be in for so a week in the Yuka ten,

893
00:46:26,864 --> 00:46:33,823
Speaker 2: a month in maybe Southeast Asia, like Vietnam, Thailand, lows,

894
00:46:33,864 --> 00:46:36,584
Speaker 2: something like that. Though, now that I'm saying that out aloud,

895
00:46:36,623 --> 00:46:39,183
Speaker 2: it starts to feel a little long. Maybe traveling around

896
00:46:39,263 --> 00:46:41,904
Speaker 2: in that region, because is that a fair answer? Okay?

897
00:46:41,984 --> 00:46:44,104
Speaker 2: And a year would be at the farm in Portugal

898
00:46:44,303 --> 00:46:44,984
Speaker 2: with the family.

899
00:46:45,143 --> 00:46:48,424
Speaker 1: The very last question I'll ask you and interpret it

900
00:46:48,623 --> 00:46:52,624
Speaker 1: however you wish, is what are you traveling through right now?

901
00:46:52,984 --> 00:46:56,104
Speaker 2: Wow? I'm traveling through a lot right now. I'm traveling

902
00:46:56,104 --> 00:47:02,223
Speaker 2: through the joys of fatherhood, which is incredibly rewarding in

903
00:47:02,303 --> 00:47:05,104
Speaker 2: all these different ways. I'm also traveling through sort of

904
00:47:05,104 --> 00:47:09,623
Speaker 2: a reboot of my brand, which has been really interesting.

905
00:47:09,663 --> 00:47:12,024
Speaker 2: We've signed like sort of eight new licensing deals in

906
00:47:12,024 --> 00:47:14,584
Speaker 2: the last two years, and we're working with all these

907
00:47:14,623 --> 00:47:17,984
Speaker 2: really interesting partners in all these different categories. So I

908
00:47:17,984 --> 00:47:22,263
Speaker 2: feel very re energized around that. I'm traveling through what

909
00:47:22,464 --> 00:47:26,623
Speaker 2: my next sort of television project should be, what it

910
00:47:26,623 --> 00:47:28,783
Speaker 2: should look like, what it should be about. And there's

911
00:47:29,303 --> 00:47:32,223
Speaker 2: lots of things swirling around that right now as well

912
00:47:32,303 --> 00:47:34,423
Speaker 2: that I you know, I'm fifty three. I don't want

913
00:47:34,464 --> 00:47:37,064
Speaker 2: to make like a decision just to be on TV.

914
00:47:37,183 --> 00:47:39,544
Speaker 2: I've never that's never been the goal. And I'm traveling

915
00:47:39,584 --> 00:47:42,623
Speaker 2: through a mother who has dementia, which is you know,

916
00:47:42,663 --> 00:47:49,183
Speaker 2: my mom was such an incredibly forceful, wonderful sort of

917
00:47:49,223 --> 00:47:53,064
Speaker 2: guide to me as a child, as a teenager, and

918
00:47:53,143 --> 00:47:55,744
Speaker 2: as a young business person. So it's a really interesting

919
00:47:55,824 --> 00:47:57,263
Speaker 2: time for the family in that way.

920
00:47:57,703 --> 00:48:00,424
Speaker 1: We have to archive all of those memories and objects.

921
00:48:00,504 --> 00:48:01,823
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do.

922
00:48:02,024 --> 00:48:04,104
Speaker 1: Thanks Nate, thank you. It's been a real pleasure

923
00:48:13,464 --> 00:48:13,984
Speaker 2: Here now