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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: The All Star Game coming up this weekend. This is

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Speaker 2: not going as scripted for the NBA because I thought

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Speaker 2: the World versus the United States was a wonderful approach,

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Speaker 2: maybe a last ditched approach to have a little bit

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Speaker 2: of competition with the All Star festivities. But now you've

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Speaker 2: got a few players who won't be playing in the game.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant was asked a question yesterday. I'll give you

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Speaker 2: the question and his answer and then we'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: I saw you saw the rosters were revealed and said,

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Speaker 3: you're on the Old Heads team.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the Old Heads will compete and try

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Speaker 4: to win the whole tournament?

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Speaker 5: Here?

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Speaker 6: You should ask the Europeans the World team if they're

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Speaker 6: gonna compete. I mean, because if you look at Luka,

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Speaker 6: Doncis and Nicole Jokis. Now let's go back and look

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Speaker 6: at what they do at the All Star Game. Is

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Speaker 6: that competition?

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Speaker 7: So we have a.

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Speaker 6: Questioned what they've been doing. But we're gonna question old

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Speaker 6: his in the Americans. But these two dudes out there

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Speaker 6: and Yochis, they don't care about the game. Man, Oh,

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Speaker 6: these dudes be laying on the floor. They shoot from

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Speaker 6: half court. But you got worried about the old he

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Speaker 6: is playing hard. I can read between the lines.

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Speaker 2: Bro Oh Durant. He's funny. He's funny, he's feisty. But

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Speaker 2: you know it's a fair point. He's saying we play hard.

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Speaker 2: They don't. But the reason why Joker doesn't play hard

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Speaker 2: in the All Star Game is that's not his style.

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Speaker 2: The All Star the way that's played up and down, dunking,

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Speaker 2: that's not his style, Luca, that's not his style. So

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Speaker 2: he might single them out as not playing hard. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna guess if they are playing this weekend in the

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Speaker 2: All Star Game, they will play hard because they're playing

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Speaker 2: for their country or countries, and I think you'll see

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Speaker 2: a more spirited I hope it is, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: asking too much. It's not going to be the way

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Speaker 2: it once was, but I would like to see some

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Speaker 2: competition and maybe we'll get that with this format. We're

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Speaker 2: running out of ideas when it comes to the All

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Speaker 2: Star Game, and it's not mandatory or the future of

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Speaker 2: the sports at stake. You know, it's like the Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 2: and I said that for years. They don't want to

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Speaker 2: play in it when it was in Hawaii. You wanted

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Speaker 2: to be awarded the opportunity to go to Hawaii with

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Speaker 2: your family and oh, by the way, we'll show up,

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Speaker 2: run through a couple of plays.

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Speaker 8: Hopefully we don't get hurt.

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Speaker 7: That's it.

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Speaker 2: You just wanted the designation of being a pro bowler

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Speaker 2: with the All Star Game. Do I want to see

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Speaker 2: them go out and maybe make it like Olympic competition.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to, but it's not going to happen. So

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Speaker 2: maybe you get something that is a reasonable facsimbile of

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Speaker 2: a pickup basketball game.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, set, Yeah, I think the first problem is trying

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Speaker 9: to make this mean something. Yes, that's the first problem,

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Speaker 9: so that already were starting from like a deficit there.

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Speaker 7: But Matt, do you think.

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Speaker 9: The NBA did enough to get the format the tweaks

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Speaker 9: to the format out there so people understand what this

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Speaker 9: All Star Game is going to.

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Speaker 8: Look like because it is significantly different. Well, you have

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Speaker 8: three teams.

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Speaker 2: You have two teams from the United States and then

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Speaker 2: you have the World team.

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Speaker 9: Right, and then what that each You basically play like

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Speaker 9: twelve minute quarters in like a round robin kind of Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I don't even understand it seedon.

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't think it's complicated to understand. I just

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Speaker 9: don't think that people know that it's changed that much.

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Speaker 2: Well, that you have three different teams in the quarters

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Speaker 2: even then like I'm going to tune in and go, okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe explain this to me a little bit further.

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Speaker 7: But I thought it you.

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Speaker 2: Know, when you have three teams and you have one game,

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Speaker 2: but try to combine three teams into one game, and

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Speaker 2: it's the All Star weekend, and then you have the

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Speaker 2: rising Stars and now we just found out that Cooper

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Speaker 2: Flag is not going to be playing in that this

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Speaker 2: isn't going as scripted for. And then you got the

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Speaker 2: commissioner who is going to be under fire this weekend

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Speaker 2: about tanking because these teams they're not hiding it anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know, we're going to play our

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Speaker 2: we're going to sit them down. Hey we might win,

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Speaker 2: we might not. But it just feels like it's well

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Speaker 2: it is. It's not a growing concern. It's a concern here.

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Speaker 2: And I can't imagine what David Stern would be doing

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Speaker 2: right now if he was the commissioner. Maybe it's not

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Speaker 2: fair to Adam Silver. But David Stern would not be

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Speaker 2: putting up with this. But I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: you can do. You know, all the media rights. I

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Speaker 2: think it was a total of like seventy billion dollars

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Speaker 2: over the next eleven years. They're swimming in money. They

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Speaker 2: don't know what to do with all the money that

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Speaker 2: they're making. And if I'm a player, and let's say

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Speaker 2: I applied this to Larry Bird. Larry Bird tried to

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Speaker 2: eke out a ten year career back issues and he

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Speaker 2: had to retire. What if Larry Bird played today and

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Speaker 2: he did have a back condition, and I could make

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Speaker 2: maybe get fourteen years out of Larry Bird instead of ten,

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Speaker 2: and maybe he played sixty five games, wouldn't you want that?

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Speaker 2: Do I want Steph Curry to be able to play longer?

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Speaker 2: Do I want Kevin Durant to be able to play longer?

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Speaker 2: Lebron James to be able to play longer? And the

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Speaker 2: answer is yes, I don't think the NBA cares about us.

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Speaker 2: If we say the following, well, I go to one

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Speaker 2: game a year. The NBA doesn't care about that. Now

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Speaker 2: we do, as you know, parents, where you say, oh,

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Speaker 2: I want to bring my kids to a game, But

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Speaker 2: the NBA is worried about filling up the seats every

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Speaker 2: single night. They want repeat customers, They want the people

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Speaker 2: who are going to show up, and then you got

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Speaker 2: the TV money as well flowing in. But I don't

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Speaker 2: know if I got Commissioner Silver in a private moment

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Speaker 2: and said, hey, if you're looking at the longevity of

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Speaker 2: great players like Cooper Flag, he's going to have load

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Speaker 2: manager at some point in his career.

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Speaker 7: They all do.

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Speaker 2: Now, at nineteen, you can run all day, but he

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Speaker 2: gets to be twenty six, now seven years, you know,

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Speaker 2: on those legs, and then maybe you're gonna have load management.

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Speaker 7: It happens.

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Speaker 2: But if I can extend Cooper Flag four more years

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Speaker 2: by limiting him, and you know, maybe he's only playing

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Speaker 2: in sixty five, maybe seventy games. It used to be

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Speaker 2: a badge of courage, like you wanted to play as

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Speaker 2: many games as possible. Charles Barkley won the MVP of

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Speaker 2: the All Star Game and he played on a stress fracture.

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Speaker 8: He shouldn't have been playing in the game.

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Speaker 2: Imagine Michael Jordan breaks his foot and then comes back

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Speaker 2: and you know you're going to play the Celtics who

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Speaker 2: are going to beat you in the playoffs. They never

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Speaker 2: would have let Michael Jordan back intoday's NBA. They just

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Speaker 2: wouldn't because they'd say, that doesn't make any sense. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna sit you down, we're gonna get into the lottery,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna tank, and we're going to be better.

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Speaker 7: So the philosophy has shifted.

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Speaker 2: I never ever worried when I tuned into a game

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Speaker 2: if the stars were going to play or not.

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Speaker 8: Growing up, it was a great luxury.

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Speaker 2: Then about ten years ago, maybe a little longer than that,

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Speaker 2: it all changed. But I understand it from a player's perspective.

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Speaker 2: If I can imagine if you add four more years

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Speaker 2: to Steph Curry's career, that maybe it would have ended.

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Speaker 2: You know, at thirty six, it's over one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars by just being economical, smart, taking care

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Speaker 2: of yourself, getting your rest. And I know we don't

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Speaker 2: like it, but you know, we're in a completely different

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Speaker 2: world what it was like when we were growing up.

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Speaker 2: Bill Russell played every game, and you know Bob Coosey

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Speaker 2: played every game. Yes, But in today's NBA, they're looking

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Speaker 2: at this from a business. For the NBA has business

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Speaker 2: and entertainment, but the player is thinking about I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: sit out.

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Speaker 7: I mean, look at Giannis. He's had a calf.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how serious it is, but he's been

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Speaker 2: out for a while, and we don't even blink anymore.

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Speaker 2: We're like, such and such isn't playing like Kawhi. I'm

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Speaker 2: always surprised when Kawhi is playing, being like, oh, and

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Speaker 2: Kawhi is having an unbelievable year he is, Yes, Marvin, but.

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Speaker 10: Also you got to put this on the team also

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Speaker 10: because they're protecting their investment, because these guys are making

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Speaker 10: so much money. Hey, this guy has a stress fracture

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Speaker 10: or he has a bad calf. They're not going to

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Speaker 10: throw him out there. Hey, let's keep him out here

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Speaker 10: in an extra two games.

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Speaker 2: I know, I get it. I get it that this

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Speaker 2: is it's business. It's our entertainment, but it's their business. Yeah, Pauline,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 11: You're completely right about it. It's like a ship that's

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Speaker 11: going one way and you can't turn it around. But

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Speaker 11: if you look at what most fans think of it,

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Speaker 11: they compare it to the NFL, and they'll always compare

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Speaker 11: the NBA which is considered not as rough and brutal

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Speaker 11: as a sport, fair to say. And they sit out

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Speaker 11: all the time, and football players they can't sit out

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Speaker 11: because they have fewer games. But if you look at

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Speaker 11: the ratings of the NBA finals the past fifteen years

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Speaker 11: and load management they match each other, the finals keep

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Speaker 11: going down and down and down compared to a generation ago,

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Speaker 11: and that's a real problem.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Seeden.

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Speaker 9: I think from the team perspective too though, I think

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Speaker 9: it's probably important to remember that when you're the team,

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Speaker 9: and yes, you're protecting your investment, but no one is

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Speaker 9: bigger than the team. The team is going to keep

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Speaker 9: going on after all of these people retire. There's you know,

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Speaker 9: after Larry Bird, there's always going to be another Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 9: and then there's going to be another guy. There's always

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Speaker 9: going to be another guy that comes down the play.

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Speaker 9: And that's what teams are thinking about. This one guy

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Speaker 9: is not bigger than the team. I don't really care

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Speaker 9: who they are. They're not bigger than the team. Lebron

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Speaker 9: James is not bigger than the Lakers.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but you want to extend them, You want them

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Speaker 8: to play four more years.

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Speaker 9: Definitely, you want them to play four more years, sure,

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Speaker 9: but also not to the point where the team feels

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Speaker 9: like we need you more than you need us.

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Speaker 2: We'll settle on a poll question here. Chris Sims will

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Speaker 2: join us. We'll look at some of these quarterback situations here,

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Speaker 2: and man, there's some wild things that are out there,

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Speaker 2: and you know they're not really reports, but it's kind

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Speaker 2: of a what what was the word you used, Paulie

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Speaker 2: where we try to get around saying it's a report

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Speaker 2: linked oh, link to ye.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Joe Burrow is linked to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know there was an article. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it was on the mother Ship, but it talks about

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and being linked to other teams. And you're going, okay, wow,

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Speaker 2: what's And I said to Fritzy, all right, read it

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Speaker 2: to me and he goes, I said, where's the Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow stuff? He goes, well, no, it's like the second

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Speaker 7: Joe Burrow is not going anywhere.

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Speaker 4: He's different to his quarterback.

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Speaker 11: A big thing in journalism air quotes these days is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be good. Though, if Joe Burrow went

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Speaker 8: But and then it came out like earlier this year.

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Speaker 2: They did, they desperately wanted to get Joe Burrow, and

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Speaker 2: Then explain to me what the Raiders did with Max

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Speaker 7: It's twenty nine years old, as we know.

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Speaker 5: Hey, there's a formula in the NFL most defensive players

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Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite players because he wants to

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Speaker 2: I absolutely trade him. Yeah, you know, I hate giving

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I hear you there, And you gotta wonder

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Speaker 7: And I do think there's value in that for young quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: It was that bad.

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Speaker 5: So I sit here now, I guess giving the edge

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know Carolina went into the year going, hey,

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Speaker 7: We don't really know. We don't think we got the guy.

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Speaker 7: We don't have the guy.

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Speaker 5: Now, how he played better, definitely, how do they feel

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Speaker 7: I'm not ready to say that yet.

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones or Malik Willis. Feels like they could get

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Speaker 2: that kind of I don't want to say Sam Darnold,

439
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Speaker 2: but they could get that. Hey, we've gone through you know,

440
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Speaker 2: the washing machine a couple of times, right, maybe now

441
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Speaker 2: it's our turn. Now we're at an age where we

442
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Speaker 2: can handle this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I think Malik Willis is a superstar, right. I

445
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Speaker 5: would think he is the like the crowning gem of guys.

446
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Speaker 5: It's going to be out there as far as free

447
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Speaker 5: agents that you can get no compensation trading any like.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't Pittsburgh go for Malik Willims If I were them,

449
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Speaker 2: I'd be looking at that.

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Speaker 7: You're you're exactly right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Malik Willis has proven I mean he's got

452
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Speaker 5: special talent, he has a special arm, he's got special mobility.

453
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Speaker 5: He knows how to run the offense and do all

454
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Speaker 5: of that. So yeah, you know, he's a great story

455
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Speaker 5: here and again another story of like we looked at

456
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Speaker 5: the draft and you know, again, I was a Malik

457
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Speaker 5: Willis fan coming out, and it's like, Okay, yeah, I

458
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Speaker 5: know Kenny Pickett can play in the pocket, and he's

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Speaker 5: very good in the meeting room. And I'm so sick

460
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Speaker 5: of that damn dumb discussion all the time with some

461
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Speaker 5: of these quarterbacks. And I'm gonna go, oh, yeah, how

462
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Speaker 5: did that meeting room and in the pocket work for you,

463
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Speaker 5: Pittsburgh Philadelphia Raiders? You know, how about the guy that

464
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Speaker 5: has a ton of talent and can make game changing plays,

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Speaker 5: It just needs a little polish and needs to be

466
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Speaker 5: coached a little And that's where you know the league

467
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Speaker 5: misses out on guys like that.

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Speaker 7: But do you like Milake Willis more than Jordan Love.

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Speaker 5: It's closer than I ever thought it would be, right,

470
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Speaker 5: And I'm really a Jordan Love fan. I mean again,

471
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Speaker 5: I'm the one that was like Jordan Love, I think

472
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Speaker 5: is going to be better than Tua when he was

473
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Speaker 5: coming out in the draft.

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Speaker 7: Right, So I'm with that.

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Speaker 5: But Malik Willis, I'm not gonna say he's better than

476
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Speaker 5: Jordan Love, right, now, I will say that I think

477
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Speaker 5: he shows more potential to be a greater player than

478
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Speaker 5: Jordan Love. That that's what I would say right now,

479
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Speaker 5: But I got to see a little bit more before

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Speaker 5: I say he's better than Jordan Love.

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Speaker 8: And he's forty million dollars cheaper, right.

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Speaker 5: That helps still, but he won't be forty million dollars

483
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Speaker 5: cheaper after this offseason.

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Speaker 7: That that I think will change. What about Mac Jones's future.

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Speaker 5: Well, Mac Jones is first off shown that he's capable

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Speaker 5: of being a starting quarterback. We know that, right, And

487
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Speaker 5: the guys like Shanahan and McVeigh and you know the

488
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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson's in the world, the guys who have these unbelievable, intricate,

489
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Speaker 5: hard offenses are always gonna like Mac Jones, just like

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Speaker 5: Shanahan and mcveig love the kirk Cousins of the world

491
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Speaker 5: and those because they can handle all the tricks that

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Speaker 5: they have to offer to make the offense look tricky

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Speaker 5: and awesome.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: So that's where you know there's always gonna be love

496
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Speaker 5: for Mac Jones. Now, he can't carry the team, right,

497
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Speaker 5: you put him on crappy Jacksonville for two years ago

498
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Speaker 5: with all that was going on there. Yeah, he's not

499
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Speaker 5: Josh Allen Lamar or Mahomes. They're just gonna, hey, get

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Speaker 5: on my back, guys, I'll get us through this time

501
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Speaker 5: period here. No, he's not that. He needs system. He

502
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Speaker 5: needs help, and when he does do that, you could

503
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Speaker 5: see he can play at a high level. But at

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Speaker 5: the same time, I don't think the forty nine Ers

505
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Speaker 5: and Shanahan are just gonna give him away. And not

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Speaker 5: only do they have to be blown away by the trade,

507
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Speaker 5: but the forty nine ers as we know, are good

508
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Speaker 5: and with healthy like there might be a Super Bowl team.

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Speaker 5: And I knowing my buddy Kyle Shannan, I don't think

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Speaker 5: he would leverage the future of the team and get

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Speaker 5: rid of Mac Jones unless he's very comfortable with who

512
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Speaker 5: his backup quarterback is. And I don't know if he's

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Speaker 5: there with Curtis Rourke right who came off the ACL injury,

514
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Speaker 5: coming from Indiana and being there and being that guy

515
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Speaker 5: to hold down the ford.

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Speaker 7: If something did happen to Brock Perdy.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co

518
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Speaker 2: host Football Night in America, analyst and in his podcast Unbuttoned.

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Speaker 2: If Mac Jones was Seattle's quarterback this year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I mean, could they'd be in the playoffs

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Speaker 5: for sure?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're not saying they would they would still

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Speaker 2: have won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm not gonna go there.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think Sam Donald's talent is better than

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Speaker 5: there's a reason. You know, Sam Donald was the number

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Speaker 5: three pick and people thought he was going to be

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Speaker 5: the slam dunk number one pick. Really, if you go

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Speaker 5: back to that time, right, people were shocked that it

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Speaker 5: was Baker Mayfield. Everybody thought, what, Sam Donald's going to Cleveland.

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Speaker 5: But you know, he's got better physical ability than he

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Speaker 5: gets credit for. Right, You've heard Josh Allen talk about

533
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Speaker 5: how Sam Donald spends the ball. I mean it's a

534
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Speaker 5: perfect spiral that spins tight his arms, a little more

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Speaker 5: explosive than people realize. You saw on Super Bowl Sunday

536
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Speaker 5: his movement and getting out of trouble a few times

537
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Speaker 5: was kind of special that way. So I do think

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Speaker 5: he's capable of making some some play that maybe Mac

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Speaker 5: Jones isn't capable of making.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Super Bowl, and it felt like,

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Speaker 2: and I said this a couple of times on the show.

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Speaker 2: If you said to Patriot fans the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 2: You're going to the super Bowl, but you're not going

544
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Speaker 2: to be competitive. Would you sign up for that? And

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Speaker 2: the answer is of course yes yes. But man, it

546
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Speaker 2: really feels like morale is low. After the way they

547
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Speaker 2: were beaten. Your first round pick at left tackle gets

548
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Speaker 2: you know, man handled, Drake May didn't look good through

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Speaker 2: the entire postseason. So now handicap the Patriots going into

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Speaker 2: next season knowing you have this Super Bowl loss hangover.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they're still going to be really good.

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Speaker 5: They still got a lot of room on their cap space,

553
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Speaker 5: kind of like what you alluded to. I mean, they

554
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Speaker 5: were playing with house money. The fact that they got

555
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Speaker 5: this far is incredible. I don't think they're going anywhere.

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Speaker 5: I think they're going to continue to be a really

557
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Speaker 5: good team. Now, I mean, can they.

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Speaker 7: Get back to the super Bowl and go fourteen to three?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: They're going to have a first play schedule next year.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at the teams that are gonna

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Speaker 5: play next year on the road and all that, it's

563
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Speaker 5: like whoa, okay, whoa, Yeah, it ain't gonna be the same.

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Speaker 5: And I think, yeah, morale is down because of like

565
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Speaker 5: what you talked about, they didn't play very good football

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Speaker 5: in the playoffs. I don't want to use the phrase

567
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: they lucked into things, but things certainly with CJ. Stroud's

568
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Speaker 5: play the way Stidham, the Broncos, the snowstorm, Yeah, that

569
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Speaker 5: definitely helped out. And I think to your point too,

570
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Speaker 5: and to me, the biggest story going into the game

571
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Speaker 5: was that the guy that was one vote away from

572
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Speaker 5: being the MVP was historically bad in the playoffs, like

573
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Speaker 5: historically and same with the left tackle. And then we

574
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Speaker 5: got to the halftime of the game and it was like,

575
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Speaker 5: whoa again, the guy that was one vote away from

576
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Speaker 5: being the MVP, it's historically bad in the first half

577
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Speaker 5: of the game, made one real throw in the first

578
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Speaker 5: three quarters of the game. He stepped up and threw

579
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Speaker 5: a deep curl route to step Von Diggs in the

580
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Speaker 5: first quarter, and I would say that was the only

581
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Speaker 5: throw he made in the football game until the touchdown

582
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Speaker 5: drive to make it nineteen seven to start the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy when you say that out loud, right, And

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Speaker 5: that's why I think Morale's a little down overall. And

585
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Speaker 5: they were dominated in the game and it just didn't

586
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Speaker 5: look good. But they shouldn't be down for long. It

587
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 5: just should be about the game and the future is

588
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Speaker 5: bright for the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but why didn't they make adjustments?

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Speaker 2: You got thirty minutes at halftime, Chris, Yeah, right, well.

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Speaker 5: Here here, so here with my I really I watched

592
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Speaker 5: the game on film and you know, this is what

593
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Speaker 5: I do and the podcast and Chris sims unbutton and

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Speaker 5: all that. First, I think the Patriots they knew they

595
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Speaker 5: weren't the better team. I could tell you in the

596
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Speaker 5: pregame warm up so that they didn't they knew they

597
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Speaker 5: weren't the better team. I said this to Rodney Devin mccorty.

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Speaker 5: You went to either side of the field. The Seahawks

599
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Speaker 5: were out on their field like we're about to show

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Speaker 5: everybody today. It felt like the Patriots are a little

601
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Speaker 5: bit like I hope we play our best game and

602
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Speaker 5: maybe we can pull it off.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of what it felt like on the field

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Speaker 5: on Super Bowl Sunday, And I know Rodney and Devin

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Speaker 5: McCarty kind of felt the same thing, to the point

607
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Speaker 5: where you were like Seattle's so psycho. Rodney Harrison was like,

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Speaker 5: I hope they don't run out of energy before the

609
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Speaker 5: game's over. And I was like, Rodney Devin Witherspoon could

610
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Speaker 5: not sleep for five nights.

611
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Speaker 7: In a row.

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Speaker 5: He ain't gonna lose energy today. I was like, they're

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Speaker 5: young and full of it, and they're ready to go.

614
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Speaker 5: But I do think the Patriots went in the game

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Speaker 5: knowing that they weren't the better team. They knew they

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Speaker 5: had to take chances on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 5: which is what you saw early on the game, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean Sam Donald threw some passes and you're like, whooh, oh.

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Speaker 4: My gosh. I mean they were gonna go for it

620
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Speaker 4: on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: And I think they knew, between the shaky play of

622
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Speaker 5: their quarterback and the way and how good Seattle was,

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Speaker 5: that they were just hoping to muck the game up,

624
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Speaker 5: make it ugly. Oh it's nine to nothing, so what

625
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 5: we'll put a drive together, make it nine to seven.

626
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Speaker 5: Maybe Sam Donald will make a mistake, and now we

627
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Speaker 5: go up ten to nine, and now it's thirteen. That's

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Speaker 5: what I think they went into the game thinking that

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Speaker 5: was the only way they were gonna be able to

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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 7: But the fact that they couldn't run the ball at all.

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Speaker 5: Then kind of shift the onus onto Drake May and

633
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Speaker 5: the passing game and the pass protection and a bunch

634
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Speaker 5: of other things you know that went along with it

635
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Speaker 5: led to, you know, some really tough sledding in that department.

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Speaker 2: It's an eight hour pregame show and you have aun,

637
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Speaker 2: you have a rundown meeting where you get all the

638
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Speaker 2: analysts together. Right at what point do you look at

639
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: the rundown and realize that Rodney Harrison is going to

640
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Speaker 2: question Tony Dungee's Hall of Fame vote?

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Speaker 7: Was that one?

642
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 8: Was that scripted?

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Speaker 7: That that was a rundown? It was? It was, It was.

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Speaker 5: It was I think kind of thrown into the rundown.

645
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Speaker 5: And I'm not privy to all these conversations, but I

646
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Speaker 5: think it was thrown into the rundown when the Hall

647
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Speaker 5: of Fame made the most egregiously stupid, tropic thunder decision

648
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Speaker 5: in the history.

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Speaker 7: Of their their their their.

650
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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame with not putting Bill Belichick in with

651
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Speaker 5: the most obvious should be first ballot Hall of Fame

652
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Speaker 5: or ever. So then it was like, well, we got

653
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Speaker 5: to talk about this, and of course Rodney and Devin

654
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Speaker 5: being from the Patriots and all of that.

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Speaker 7: And then yes, throughout the.

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Speaker 5: Week, you know, people started to question whether coach Dungee

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Speaker 5: definitely did that and all that. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: it kind of came organically and Rodney wanted to question

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Speaker 5: coach Dungee on that situation. And uh, I didn't get

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Speaker 5: to see the segment in total totality there, but it

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Speaker 5: sounded like it went pretty good, even though Coach Dungee

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Speaker 5: didn't quite answer the question all the way.

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Speaker 8: Should he have answered the question?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know me, I mean, I'm a big mouth

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Speaker 5: to tell says everything, so I you know, yeah, he

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Speaker 5: should have answered the question.

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Speaker 7: I would have liked him for him.

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Speaker 8: To answer the answering.

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Speaker 7: He answered it right by not answering it. He answered

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Speaker 7: it exactly right.

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Speaker 8: I would have called Rodney for targeting. I would have

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Speaker 8: had to flag him on that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: I thought Rodney might go harder, you know.

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Speaker 5: I thought, you know, Rodney, Rodney, as we all know,

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Speaker 5: like Mike Tyson, at times, can be like a pit

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Speaker 5: bull on the loose, and you're just like, oh, he's

678
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Speaker 5: in that mode, watch out. And I was kind of

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Speaker 5: hoping the pit bull might get unleashed during that interview,

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Speaker 5: but he kept tame there and and you know, stayed one.

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Speaker 2: I guess, thanks as always for joining us the entire season.

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Speaker 2: We'll leave you alone for a little while, all right,

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Speaker 2: just for a little while.

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Speaker 5: You know, we got draft and free agency to talk about,

685
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Speaker 5: so you know I'll be game for that whenever you're down.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Bud, all.

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Speaker 7: Right, thank you. Tell those jerks I said, Hi.

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Speaker 8: Hey jerks, he says Hi.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

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Speaker 1: listen live. Chris Mannock Sports Illustrated senior NBA writer, and

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Speaker 1: he contributes to NBC Sports covering the All Star Game

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Speaker 1: this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Seeing you want to give Chris the you have an

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Speaker 2: NBA whole question today?

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Speaker 9: We do, Okay, In fact, we have would you rather

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Speaker 9: a player sixty games for fifteen years or eighty two

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Speaker 9: games for eleven years? Right now, we're at about seventy

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Speaker 9: percent of the audience would rather eighty two games for

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Speaker 9: eleven years?

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Speaker 8: All right?

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Speaker 2: What would you do Chris with We know load management

704
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Speaker 2: is here to stay, but if I can give you your guys.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you're star, he's going to play sixty five games,

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Speaker 2: but that extends him four more seasons, or you get

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Speaker 2: him for eighty two for four less seasons.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're the sixty five game player. Does he get

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Speaker 3: the playoffs? Two?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because then that's the ballgame there.

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Speaker 3: I would much rather have the guy for four extra

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Speaker 3: years playing sixty five regular season games if I can

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Speaker 3: get him for the postseason. The right for a contender

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Speaker 3: the regular season is close to irrelevant when.

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Speaker 4: It comes to that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. How did we get to this point though?

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Speaker 4: The tanking point of where teams are just.

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Speaker 2: Load the league, No just load management that but also

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Speaker 2: load management ties into tanking as well. So how did

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Speaker 2: we get to this? What came first? Load management or tanking?

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Speaker 3: I think load management came first, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: it begin began. If you want to find a spot

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Speaker 3: in history with the Greg Popovich San Antonio Spurs, who

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Speaker 3: were aggressive in resting their stars.

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Speaker 4: We all remember that great.

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Speaker 3: I think I still have a picture of that stat

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Speaker 3: sheet where it said Tim Duncan dnp rest which is

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Speaker 3: one of the early days of just straight resting guys,

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Speaker 3: and that was what the Spurs did in the early

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Speaker 3: twenty tens, and teams quickly adopted it after that. You

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Speaker 3: know with the back to backs, if you get an

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Speaker 3: older player, you're gonna limit his minutes. And then Kawhi

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Speaker 3: Leonard comes around twenty nineteen and Toronto wins a championship

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Speaker 3: by load managing him. So I think, you know, the

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Speaker 3: success of one team begat More teams doing it, the

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Speaker 3: success of the Raptors, begat More teams doing it. And

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Speaker 3: it became part of the you know, kind of the

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Speaker 3: fiber of the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Who is going all in tanking where it's that it's

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Speaker 2: not reading between the lines, it's just blatant.

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Speaker 4: It's more than one.

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Speaker 7: I mean, well, Utah to me is really curious about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Utah is the most glaring example because of how

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Speaker 3: they're doing it. Like Utah is trying to throw games

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Speaker 3: at the end, like simple as that. Like that game

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Speaker 3: they had against Orlando on Saturday, they were up by

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Speaker 3: seventeen I think it was at one point seven at

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Speaker 3: the end of the third and they tried to throw

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Speaker 3: the game and succeeded. Against Miami on Monday, they tried

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Speaker 3: to throw the game and failed because Kyle Philipowski and

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Speaker 3: Bryce sense bab made.

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Speaker 4: A bunch of shots and that was how that went.

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Speaker 3: But they have tried multiple times in the last week

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Speaker 3: to lose games in the fourth quarter. Now, last night,

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Speaker 3: I hate watched the King's Jazz game last night just.

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Speaker 4: To see what would happen. Of course, they boat race Sacramento.

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Speaker 3: That was predictable, but the way that the Jazz have

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Speaker 3: been doing it has been the most egregious.

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Speaker 4: But they are far from the only offender.

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Speaker 3: Like people know, Trey Young could probably playing basketball at

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Speaker 3: this point Indiana, which is just as egregious right now

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Speaker 3: as Utah I mean Ivica Zubach gets acquired. He had

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Speaker 3: been playing through what was determined a mild ankle sprain,

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Speaker 3: and now that ankle sprain is so serious that he's

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Speaker 3: got to sit out for an extended period.

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Speaker 4: So the Jazz, because.

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Speaker 3: Of the fact that they're playing their guys and then

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Speaker 3: benching their guys, they are front and center, but they

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Speaker 3: are far from the only offender. Dan, this is the

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Speaker 3: first time in league history that we've gotten We're before

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Speaker 3: the All Star break and roughly a third of the

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Speaker 3: league does not care about winning games. That is a

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Speaker 3: five alarm fire for Adam Silver to address.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what can what's solvable? What's the solution here?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's unpack it from a couple of ways. Short term,

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Speaker 3: one thing that the people in the league that I've

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Speaker 3: talked to have been pushing for is a fine with

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Speaker 3: a warning. Right, So the first you go to Utah, Washington, whoever,

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Speaker 3: and you say, all right, seven hund and fifty thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars for trying to lose games. If you do this again,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna dock you a couple of second round picks.

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Speaker 3: If you do it again, we are going to reduce

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Speaker 3: your lottery odds. This is something that's come up from

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Speaker 3: a couple of executives, like, if you finish the season

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Speaker 3: with the fourteen percent chance of landing the number one

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Speaker 3: overall pick, we're gonna slash it. We're gonna take away

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Speaker 3: some of your ping pong ball combinations, which is within

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Speaker 3: the purview of Adam Silver to do. He can unilaterally

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Speaker 3: do stuff like this, so short term, they want to

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Speaker 3: see him threaten a big stick to some of these

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Speaker 3: teams because there is twenty five plus games left in

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Speaker 3: the regular season. As far as fixing the problem, there

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Speaker 3: are two camps in this one of the camps says,

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Speaker 3: let's just keep putting band aids on these bullet holes.

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Speaker 4: This is what they've done over the last ten years.

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Speaker 4: They've tweaked things, they've added.

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Speaker 3: To play in tournament, they've flattened the odds, They've done

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Speaker 3: things to try to save the system. And those people say, hey,

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Speaker 3: if you eliminate lottery protections, good luck getting that past

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Speaker 3: the general managers. But if you eliminate lottery protections, that's

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00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: gonna take away a lot of these things.

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Speaker 4: If you say a team cannot.

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Speaker 3: Draft from the top four for two consecutive years, that's

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Speaker 3: going to solve a lot of problems. There's some people

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Speaker 3: that believe that. There are others that say the system

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Speaker 3: is broken. It needs to be take out, taken out

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Speaker 3: into the woodshed and shot, like, just blow up the

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00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: whole system and let's all get into a room this

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Speaker 3: summer and figure out something else. Those the two camps

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Speaker 3: right now, and those are the two sides that are

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Speaker 3: you know, as we speak, lobbying.

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Speaker 4: Adam Silver about this these changes.

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Speaker 2: But how do I know if somebody is tanking? How

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Speaker 2: do I know if Trey Young is not hurt?

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Speaker 8: How do I know? You know, Anthony Davis can't play

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Speaker 8: the rest of the season. I mean, what does Adam

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Speaker 8: Silver do?

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Speaker 2: How do you, you know, do something in a clandestine

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Speaker 2: way that you're healthy enough.

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Speaker 8: We saw you doing yard work here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it doesn't take inspector gadget to see

823
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Speaker 3: like some of these guys are. I mean, Trey Young

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Speaker 3: had a quad strain in early January. Like like Anthony Davis,

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Speaker 3: fine Dallas said to Compo, if he decides to set

826
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Speaker 3: out the season, I would say the same thing. The

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Speaker 3: Jazz again are playing their guys and look that jas.

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Speaker 3: One of the problems that people in the league have

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Speaker 3: with the Jazz is that right now they're a pretty

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00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 3: damn good team. Like, they've got three guys that are

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Speaker 3: borderline all stars like Jared Jackson, Junior Lowry Marketing, Kiante George.

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Speaker 4: They're not all stars, but they're on that next tier.

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00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: Yes, So if these guys were all playing, could they

834
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Speaker 3: make a run at the playing tournament right now?

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Speaker 7: Probably not.

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Speaker 3: They're like nine games back of that that ten spot.

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Speaker 3: But the teams above them, Memphis, the Clippers.

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Speaker 7: They're not very good.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe if you really put your foot

840
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Speaker 3: on the gas that you can go and get it

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00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: so that that's you have to almost put that on

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Speaker 3: a shelf. I think you've you've got to use common

843
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: sense in these situations. You've got to make teams. If

844
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Speaker 3: there are injuries, you've got to report it. You've got

845
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: to have medical evidence. You've got to give the league

846
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: a chance to review all of it before so they

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00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: can make an informed decision.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated senior writer and the

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Speaker 2: All Star Game coming up this weekend, you okay with

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Speaker 2: the format even though we have since Star is not playing. No, no, no.

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Speaker 4: This this I don't like.

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Speaker 3: I don't like anything about this anything Like I let's

853
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: start with the dunk contest, which you know again needs

854
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: to be destroyed.

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Speaker 8: Nobody cares about the dunk contest.

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Speaker 3: But nobody knows who these guys are, Like I mean,

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Speaker 3: I two of them. I had to go look up,

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00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: like I wasn't sure who they were off the top

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00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: of my head. Like this, we have gone from being

860
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Speaker 3: able to get Dominique Wilkins and Michael Jordan to being

861
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 3: able to get Blake Griffin and a bunch of guys

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00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: that were top Deer guys, to having guys like VJ.

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00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: Edgecomb and Cooper Flag say hell no, like this is

864
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: where we are. We can't even get the top young

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Speaker 3: guys in the league to play it. I think that's

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Speaker 3: gonna be pretty bad.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant said something last night and he's dead on

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00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: about this. Like the the USA versus the world can

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00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: work in some context.

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Speaker 7: It could.

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00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: It could work in an Olympic setting where there's a

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00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: medal of the line, you're playing for your country out there.

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Speaker 3: But the greatest defenders of All Star indifference are the

875
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 3: Europeans like nikolea Okicic can't get him to care about

876
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: an All Star game. Luka Doncic if he plays, can't

877
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: get him to care about an All Star game. That

878
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: is that Alpa Prince Singoon Al Prin Singoon is not

879
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: gonna care about the outcome of the All Star Game.

880
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: I think it's it is, but it's the outcome, Chris.

881
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: It's the style of play in the All Star Game.

882
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: It's just running up and down and dunking and shooting threes.

883
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: And you know, Yo, Kitchen Luca that that's not their style.

884
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: That's why they don't care. Nobody cared about the Olympics

885
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: than those guys did Joker did so. I think if

886
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: you attach an actual game to this instead of just

887
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: a pickup game, those guys will care.

888
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: I don't think they'll care.

889
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: I think you're still gonna get them shooting like half

890
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: court shots, and you're never You're never gonna get like

891
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: high and you're not gonna get like early two thousands

892
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: All Star We've all seen the clips of.

893
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 4: Those games in the early two thousands. You're never gonna

894
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 4: get that again.

895
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: The NBA is searching for a way to just get

896
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: something more than what they've gotten over the.

897
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: Last few years. I can't see how this is going

898
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 4: to be successful.

899
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: I mean, the one thing the NBA could have done

900
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: Dan that would have added a level of intrigue, and

901
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: they should have done this. And maybe there'll be an

902
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 3: opportunity in the next couple of days. I don't know

903
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: what Luca's situation is going to be. Put Dylan Brooks

904
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: on the All Star team. Put Dylan Brooks on the

905
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: World All Star team, Like you want to get people

906
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: to watch, how about you add a guy that's competitive

907
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: in like warm ups onto the All Star team. How

908
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: about you put a guy that has bad relationships with

909
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: like every star player in the league, including Lebron James.

910
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: On the All Star team. You want to.

911
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: Get some intensity, put Dylan Brooks on the World team.

912
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 4: I'm begging the NBA. They passed on it with Kawhi

913
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 4: and Leonard.

914
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: They blew an opportunity putting Shangoon on it over Dylan Brooks.

915
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: Make Dylan Brooks an All Star if you want to

916
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: make this game interesting.

917
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 8: Nobody cares about Dylan Brooks.

918
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 4: But the way he'll play. You keep talking about the style.

919
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they care. Do they care about Shingoon?

920
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: Do people really are they focused on the game for him?

921
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: So let's just add add something that that maybe mixes

922
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: it up a little bit.

923
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: Like I want to see Lebron and Dylan Brooks in

924
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: the same locker room. I want to see them in them,

925
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 3: you know, kind of going at each other during practices.

926
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: I want give me a little bit of spice to

927
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: this All Star game.

928
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: I have the betting lines here, so they expect a

929
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: competitive game. According to DraftKings, USA getting two and a

930
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: half against the World, that's the Stars team, and then

931
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: the Stripe's getting one and a half against the World,

932
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: and then Stripes is favored over to the Stars so

933
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: by one and a half. So they're expecting a competitive game, Chris.

934
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: What's the definition of insanity? They're doing the same thing

935
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: over again expecting the same result.

936
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: I just I don't see it.

937
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: I look at it could be interesting because of the format,

938
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: maybe you can get some guys to be more engaged,

939
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: but I don't think a format change is going to

940
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: do it. I just think there's nothing. We are on

941
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: the path to the Pro Bowl is what we're on

942
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: with the NBA All Star Game, and I don't think

943
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: there's anything it's going to stop it.

944
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 8: Is this Lebron's last season in LA?

945
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: There's a good qualifier. Is it his last season in LA?

946
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to say no. There are options out there

947
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: for Lebron James. It's not just Cleveland, although that's obvious.

948
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: I think Golden State is another great opportunity if he

949
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: wants to and that's another way to stay in California

950
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: as well. What we have to remember is that Lebron

951
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: James when he signed with the Lakers back in twenty eighteen,

952
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: it was about more than basketball. It was about lifestyle,

953
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: it was about business interest. I don't think a lot

954
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: of those things have necessarily changed. Now two of his

955
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: kids are off to are gone, Bronny's playing with them.

956
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: You know, Price is in college, so that dynamic has

957
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: changed to a degree. But I think that his desire

958
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 3: to be in LA goes beyond basketball. Now, what will

959
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: the Lakers be prepared to offer him in the offseason?

960
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: I think is going to be interesting. They are pretty

961
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: committed to rebuilding or retooling. I guess around Luca Austin Reeves,

962
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, a prototypical center that plays around those, plays

963
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: well with those type of guys.

964
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 4: Will they be willing to.

965
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: Make him a competitive offer or is it just, hey,

966
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: we got the mid level exception at twelve million dollars

967
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 3: or whatever.

968
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: May be, and we want you to stay that That,

969
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: to me is the big question.

970
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: I do think there's part of Lebron that wants to

971
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: stay in LA, but he's not going to stay.

972
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 4: I don't think if they they lowball.

973
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: Him, who is more likely to be playing their last

974
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: games with their respective team, Yannis with the Bucks or

975
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: Lebron with the Lakers.

976
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Yanis with the Bucks.

977
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: You know, Milwaukee, Look, did they entered these negotiations with

978
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: other teams in good faith, Like nobody really denies that.

979
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: Like there was some uncertainty about whether or not they

980
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: pulled the trigger on a deal, but over the in

981
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 3: the week before the deadline, they were talking to teams,

982
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: making counterproposals, like they were engaged.

983
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 7: In all this.

984
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: There just wasn't a deal that made sense for them

985
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: to pull the trigger right now, when the expectation is

986
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: more teams can get involved in June and the offers

987
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: from the current teams are going to be better. That

988
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 3: being said, from what I hear out in Milwaukee is like,

989
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: you know, they're not going to spend the next few

990
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: months thinking about what offer they can get. They're gonna

991
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: spend the next few months thinking about who they can

992
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: get to bring in to convince Yiannis to stay, Like

993
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: they could have I believe three first round picks the

994
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: deal around the June Draft. They've still got some movable contracts.

995
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: You don't know what's gonna shake out in the postseason.

996
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: Who's gonna wind up becoming available that you don't expect

997
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: right now. So Option A for Milwaukee is still to

998
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: find that player, find that Drew Holliday, find that Damian Lillard,

999
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 3: find that guy that can make Gianna say, you know what,

1000
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sign my name to an extension right now.

1001
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to find it.

1002
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: That's why I think it's more likely Giannis is gone

1003
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: at the end of the year in some kind a

1004
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: blockbuster deal.

1005
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 4: But that's gonna be the priority.

1006
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: I love Dan seeing see Cam Thomas last night by

1007
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: going for thirty four, and there's that clip of Yannis

1008
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: like big smile on his face coming off the bench.

1009
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: If Cam Thomas winds up saving Giannis's future in Milwaukee,

1010
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 3: that will be the greatest plot twist in NBA drama history.

1011
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 2: Not good enough to play for the Nets, but good

1012
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: enough to play for the Bucks. Good forty four? Yeah,

1013
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: thank you, Chris. Have fun this weekend. You got it.