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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you Buck. How you do man? Man, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying to put it all together a couple

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Speaker 1: All right, Today on the show, we have got two

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Speaker 1: interviews we're gonna roll um. Both interviews conducted by you Buck.

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Speaker 1: You got a chance to chat with some guys with

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Speaker 1: interesting stories um in the upcoming draft. The first interview

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Speaker 1: but who has interesting insight not only on kind of

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Speaker 1: And Zach Wilson. So we've got two great chats here.

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Speaker 1: Clemson running back Travis et N. I know you're getting anxious.

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Speaker 1: This process is about to culminate in a in a month.

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Speaker 1: wean't you know? Thinking about that, You're fortunate because you

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