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Speaker 1: Good evening, America, Happy Tuesday, and welcome to the latest

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Speaker 1: edition of Justin News, No Noise. I'm your host, John Solomon.

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Speaker 1: You know where I am. I'm in the Nation's capital,

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Speaker 1: where I always report from. Today, I'm quick programming at

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Speaker 1: my co host, Amanda Head. She'll be out back on

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Speaker 1: assignment or out an assignment day back tomorrow. She'll be keeping

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Speaker 1: a surprise on the road of everything going out at

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Speaker 1: the White House. Why, because we're less than two hours

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Speaker 1: from a very important deadline. President Trump has sent eight

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern Time as a deadline for Iran to either

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Speaker 1: open the Straight of Horms or be bombed back into

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Speaker 1: the Stone Ages his own words. By the way, he

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Speaker 1: also said this morning, getting Iran's attention pretty quickly, that

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Speaker 1: he intended to end civilization as they knew it in

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Speaker 1: Iran if he only shoes he's attacked tonight.

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Speaker 2: Now. While that was going on.

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Speaker 1: Some pretty intense negotiations have been happening, sometimes through intermediaries

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Speaker 1: like Pakistani guitar, sometimes directly. President Trump just about a

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Speaker 1: half hour ago address those negotiations, saying they're very heated.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't know how they're going to end yet. He's

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Speaker 1: holding firm to his APM deadline, at least as of

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Speaker 1: now now. The Pakistani Foreign Minister about two hours ago

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Speaker 1: asked President Trump to consider delaying the APM deadline by

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Speaker 1: two weeks because he said enough substantive progress had been

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Speaker 1: made in the Iranian negotiations to warrant a delay before

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Speaker 1: this very fairist attack that the President has geared up

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Speaker 2: We'll keeping a close eye on all that.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about it all through the afternoon

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Speaker 1: tonight here and we'll have some special coverage throughout the

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Speaker 1: night on Real America's Voice. I want to walk you

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Speaker 1: through one thing that my reporting is indicated a very

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Speaker 1: important subtle change in dynamics.

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Speaker 2: In the last week.

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Speaker 1: US officials have picked up a subtle change, sort of

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Speaker 1: a schism growing inside Iran. There is the civilian leadership,

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Speaker 1: mass damage that thes and Israel militaries have been able

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Speaker 1: to inflict on Iran. It's navy gone, it's air force gone,

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Speaker 1: most of its defense manufacturing facilities are eradicated, its missiles

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Speaker 1: is on the losing end of the war, at least

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Speaker 1: on the civilian side. But the IRGC, the Revolutionary Guard,

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Speaker 1: the most feared military component in the country, has been

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Speaker 1: holding out, wanting to fight to death and not to

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Speaker 1: give in. Over the weekend, the IRGC ended up with

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Speaker 1: a little egg on its face. It never was able

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Speaker 2: The ground, an enemy to territory. For two full.

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Speaker 1: Days, the IRGC, well, it fell some headfakes that the

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Speaker 1: CIA and the military plan for them. It lost a

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Speaker 1: little street cred on the ground in Iran with the

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Speaker 1: Iranian people who often fear it. And then on Monday,

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Speaker 1: President Trump ordered to decapitation strike, which took out fifty

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Speaker 1: events over the weekend, according to my sources, have shifted

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Speaker 1: civilian leadership that would like to find a negotiated settlement

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Speaker 1: out of President Trump's threat tonight to bomb the country

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Speaker 1: back to the Stone Ages. We're going to keep a

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Speaker 1: close eye all throughout that. We've got reporters on all

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Speaker 1: night tonight. Justinews dot Com, the justin News apps will

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Speaker 1: have you covered, and we'll have you covered here of course,

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Speaker 1: right here in real America's voice. We're very lucky to

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Speaker 1: kick off the show tonight by someone who's been on

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Speaker 1: the front lines of a lot of the debate in

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Speaker 1: Washington these last few months, whether it's the homeland security

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Speaker 1: debate where Democrats often have put American security at risk

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Speaker 1: even in the midst of a military operation in Iran,

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Speaker 1: or on the very important Section seven zero two fiss

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Speaker 1: going to protect Americans privacy from future spying?

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Speaker 2: A very important debate.

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Speaker 1: He also got one hundred percent rating recently as a

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Speaker 1: conservative from the Herit Attaction Foundation. One of the most

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Speaker 1: respected members in Congress from the great state of Texas,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Michael Cloud. He joins us right now, Congressman, great to.

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Speaker 2: Have you in the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, good to be on with you.

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Speaker 1: A lot.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a great honor to have you on.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot, a lot of movement in these

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Speaker 2: Not sure how they're going to turn out.

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Speaker 1: Give us your assessment two hours from that deadline, where

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Speaker 3: Well, you have to get some difference to the White House.

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Speaker 4: They're the ones in the negotiation, and they're the ones

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Speaker 4: looking at the tactical information day to day, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, the administration and President Trump has demonstrated that

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Speaker 4: the preference is for peace. They were in negotiations with

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Speaker 4: and until it turned out that the people were negotiating

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Speaker 4: They were just buying out time to create a conventional

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Speaker 4: you know, you got to give a little give them.

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Speaker 4: They they're the ones with the knowledge of the boots

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Speaker 4: and that we accomplish our military ejective is we get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it really is.

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Speaker 1: There is some pretty clear evidence that some other powers

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Speaker 1: China apparently helping with missile technology. There was discussions of

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the important points of

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Speaker 3: Timeline and those ambitions.

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Speaker 4: And even if all it does is bias a few

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Speaker 4: what the president's really working on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty clear. It's a four dimensional chess game.

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Speaker 1: And there are lots of progress at the American interests

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Speaker 2: Much stronger position.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to two thorny issues that are

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Speaker 1: come to trust and verify any promise that Iron makes

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Speaker 1: given their forty seven year history of hostility towards the

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Speaker 1: United States, Israel, the Middle East, basically Western civilization. And two,

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Speaker 1: what are we to do about that highly enriched uranium?

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Speaker 1: It's buried under the ground right now thanks to our bombers.

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Speaker 1: But how do you think those two potential issues could

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly those are going to be points of negotiation,

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Speaker 4: and I'm certain they are. You know, we would have

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Speaker 4: We'll need people that we can negotiate with that have

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Speaker 4: We're going to be the ones best capable to do

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Speaker 1: So I want to turn to an issue that Congress

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Speaker 1: Some people don't think they go far enough, or it's

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Speaker 2: Where are we in that debate?

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Speaker 1: Will Americans get more protections or will the system that

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Speaker 4: Well, we need to get the reforms that the American

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Speaker 4: right time. Well, i'd get to be in the discussion

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Speaker 4: community or any single agency where they come into you

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Speaker 4: and say, you know, we have too much power, we

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Speaker 4: That's only going to happen when they're representatives of the

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Speaker 4: American people's demand it, and so it's really a time

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Speaker 4: for us to go in and demand it.

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Speaker 3: For me, I'm looking at a few things. We want.

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Speaker 4: A warrant requirement that needs to be a part of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so very important, or that you go just

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Speaker 4: Well, I you know, I'm praying for peace. Like so

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Speaker 3: So hopefully cooler heads give the United States.

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Speaker 1: When I talk to people in the Hill about that issue,

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Speaker 1: The world is going to be forever changed by what

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Speaker 5: Had to be here, John, all right.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about something I've been hearing

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Speaker 1: The IRGC particularly uh interested in keeping this going, fighting

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Speaker 6: or traffic there. That would be a very good quick

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Speaker 6: indicator that Okay, now we're they're serious and we're dealing

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Speaker 6: with someone. But when things are this fractured, when this

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Speaker 6: administration is done an amazing job of destroying senior leadership

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Speaker 6: within Iran, you know, not just at the very top,

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Speaker 6: but multiple multi bull layers down, I think there's going

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Speaker 6: to be more and more of a struggle between the

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Speaker 6: Zalids and those that want uh you know, approachment with

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Speaker 6: with the West. And so we'll see how that plays out.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: And I had a person who has pretty good visibility

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Speaker 1: into the success that we've had, and it's it is

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Speaker 1: an amazing success of how quickly we've degraded Iron's capabilities.

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Speaker 1: He said, they had their major league team, then they

454
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Speaker 1: were at Triple A, then they were Double A.

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Speaker 2: We're at the rookie league. Now that's how far down

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Speaker 2: we've done.

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Speaker 1: They've really taken out you know, this incredible Uh, it

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Speaker 1: really is a problem right now that Iron doesn't really

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Speaker 1: have any experience leadership.

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Speaker 2: It's been really drained out, right.

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Speaker 5: It completely drained out.

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Speaker 6: I take that for I think we're dealing with the

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Speaker 6: pewe's at this stage.

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Speaker 2: But you know that's even better.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, but the the you know, one of the

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Speaker 6: issues there though, is that we you know, since the

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Speaker 6: internet and communications have been kind of shut down with.

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Speaker 5: In Iran, we in the West, we have not seen.

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Speaker 6: The total destruction if you just do the mass regarding

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Speaker 6: the sorties, the targets, the destruction, I think we've done

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Speaker 6: an amazing job of probably you know, completely eliminating any

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Speaker 6: real threat from either an Air Force and Navy most

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Speaker 6: of their medium and short range missile systems. So you know, this,

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Speaker 6: this is not the same Iran it was a month ago.

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Speaker 6: This Iran is completely just you know, just demolished.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Nothing like a butt Woban to make you a little

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Speaker 1: bit more pragmatic and a little less xelogt like. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's maybe one of the things that

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Speaker 1: the administration's banking out. If it goes the other route

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Speaker 1: and decides, you know, don't have a good deal, can't

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Speaker 1: verify it can't tell if I'm talking to the people

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Speaker 1: in charge. I think the President gave us a little

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Speaker 1: bit of sense of what could be First, it seems

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Speaker 1: like Carg Island will be a really significant target early on.

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Speaker 1: Tell us why that's important in what it may signal

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Speaker 1: in the next phase of military action if we have

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Speaker 1: to go that route.

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Speaker 6: Well, there are a series of small islands, card being

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Speaker 6: one of them there within the straight over moves that

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Speaker 6: that the Iranian government has used, uh for staging military activity,

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Speaker 6: but also to unload most of their crude oil into

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Speaker 6: you know, into tankers. That's where a considered amount of

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Speaker 6: their economy kind of is generated right within those islands.

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Speaker 6: But geographically they're very strategic too. So whether it's car

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Speaker 6: Kish or one of the other islands, it's a matter

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Speaker 6: of of and that I have no doubt. You know,

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Speaker 6: we do have the greatest military in the world. We

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Speaker 6: certainly can take those those places. They're not that large.

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Speaker 6: I think Carg Island is probably about half the size

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Speaker 6: of Manhattan. You know, we could take them, but then

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Speaker 6: we're gonna have to secure them. We're going to have

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Speaker 6: to defend them, and we're gonna have to make sure

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Speaker 6: that drones and short range missiles and other kinds of ordnance.

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Speaker 5: Uh, keep our folks safe. We certainly have a lot of.

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Speaker 6: That technology in play, but it's again another risk that

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Speaker 6: that that we're going to have to consider and and

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Speaker 6: and deal with. Now, let me add though this is

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Speaker 6: not it's not helpful. It's certainly not helpful with critics

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Speaker 6: of this policy who for years have either defended or

511
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Speaker 6: been weakned when it comes to facing Iran at this

512
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Speaker 6: stage now really undermining US military forces and undermining the

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Speaker 6: policy of this administration when ultimately what we want to

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Speaker 6: do is we want to win, and we want to

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Speaker 6: win not.

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Speaker 5: Just for America but for the world. They've been at

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Speaker 5: war with us for over forty seven years.

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Speaker 6: Now, this is not something that still imporpened and we

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Speaker 6: got ourselves into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that is really the moment.

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Speaker 1: The opportunity that this presents for really changing the compass

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Speaker 1: is so significant, perhaps no more significant moment since the

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Speaker 1: taking of our embassy in seventy nine. There is a

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Speaker 1: second proxy that I think loses every day that President

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Speaker 1: Trump makes a little more gain here, and that is

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Speaker 1: trying to help on the missile program. It certainly gets

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Speaker 1: a lot of its oil from Iran. China take a big,

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Speaker 1: maybe painful lesson from the victories that we're already inflicting

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Speaker 1: on Iran.

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Speaker 6: I think they've been getting that lace of that lesson

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Speaker 6: since the first week of the new year, when we

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Speaker 6: eliminated something like ten to fifty percent of their all

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Speaker 6: supplies out of Venezuela that's been turned off. Then now

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Speaker 6: the shutdown of the straight of Ourmoves is hurting them

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Speaker 6: too in some ways in other ways, ironically, what's happened

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Speaker 6: is the price of oil has obviously increased, So whatever

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Speaker 6: is currently available or currently where they're trading in.

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Speaker 5: It's generating.

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Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, the United States

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Speaker 6: doesn't need oil from the Straight of her removes. We

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Speaker 6: produce enough of our oil oil as a commodity, So

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Speaker 6: what you see in pricing is just global prices. China

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Speaker 6: does need to import oil, so that is directly affecting them.

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Speaker 6: What we're going to see, you know, if we're successful

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Speaker 6: at this, there is going to be a huge, huge

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Speaker 6: reshuffle of global power of the way we look at

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Speaker 6: the world, and America will be better for it. We

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Speaker 6: will now have significant leverage over China. We will now

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Speaker 6: have significant leverage over Russia. We'll be able to negotiate

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Speaker 6: better terms when it comes to things like Ukraine, when

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Speaker 6: it comes to Taiwan and Southeast East Asia. These are

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Speaker 6: all things that I think are going to allow the

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Speaker 6: world to just be more peaceful. Think of all the energies,

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Speaker 6: all the you know, all the violence, all the funding

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Speaker 6: from within our own government just to deal with the

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Speaker 6: Iran question alone over the last few decades. If we

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Speaker 6: can eliminate that altogether and not have to deal with that,

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Speaker 6: that means truths closer to our home, not over there.

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Speaker 6: You know, we'll be able to focus on more of

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Speaker 6: the domestic issues right because we'll be able to divert

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Speaker 6: a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Those funds in that direction.

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Speaker 6: So this is truly one of those fights that that

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Speaker 6: that you know, we ought to you know, we ought

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Speaker 6: to complete and finish and make sure that the that

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Speaker 6: what it is ever left in Iran.

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Speaker 5: Never has an ability to ever threatn the world again.

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Speaker 1: Out come could have a profound fifty seventy eighty year

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Speaker 1: impact on the world. That's how big the stakes are

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Rick.

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Speaker 1: We always love when you come on. We always get

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Speaker 1: direct a lot of great clear vision from you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us on such a out to Gitchell Knight.

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Speaker 6: No, I love chatting with you because you're one of

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Speaker 6: the few folks who actually gets the agency and gets

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Speaker 6: what we're doing.

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Speaker 5: Soever, whenever you want, I'm here for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. That means a lot.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate you here at Real America's Voice. All Right, folks,

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Speaker 1: quick commercial break. We'll get back to that around a

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Speaker 1: little later in the show. But next while a whistleblower

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Speaker 1: who helped uncover fraud in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: That's after the quick break. Pay attention. That's could be

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Speaker 2: a fun moment.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America, those of you who followed Just a

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Speaker 1: news note. For most of the last forty years, I've

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time reporting among whistleblowers. They have

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Speaker 1: changed the world in so many ways, from ending fake

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Speaker 1: science in the FBI lab, to ending abuses in the FBI,

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Speaker 1: to giving us the truth about Hunter Biden, or rooting

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Speaker 1: out what is currently one of the biggest missions of

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Speaker 1: the Trump White House. Now we're rooting out billions, tens

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Speaker 1: of billions, perhaps hundreds of billions, of fraudulent transactions in

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Speaker 1: our entitlement programs today. Joining me now is a whistleblower

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Speaker 1: and his lawyer who've had such a profound effect on

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Speaker 1: the scandal that is now in Gulf Minnesota, now spread

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Speaker 1: to California and other states. The Senior Counsel and Empower

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Speaker 1: Oversight Senior Council at Empower Oversight, which represents whistleblower as

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Speaker 1: Bobby Charin, is with us as well as one of

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Speaker 1: the whistleblowers you got to meet in a congressional hearing

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Speaker 1: a little while ago, a few weeks ago, Scott Dexter,

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Speaker 1: who was blowing the whistle for years it fell on

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Speaker 1: deaf years until just a recent few months.

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Speaker 2: Gentlemen, great to have you on the show. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Scott.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with you your twenty eight years in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. You have a great background, particularly in financial fraud.

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Speaker 1: When did you first know that you had a big

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Speaker 1: problem in Minnesota and what was the response of those

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Speaker 1: in power when you tried to bring it to their attention.

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Speaker 7: Well, when I retired from law enforcement, went to work

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Speaker 7: for the State of Minnesota for the Department of Human Services,

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Speaker 7: they had just started a new fraud unit that specifically

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Speaker 7: dealt with fraud within the childcare assistance program. They had

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Speaker 7: determined that they were starting to see fraud being perpetrated

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Speaker 7: in that program, but the state did not have a

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Speaker 7: unit dedicated for just that, so they started up a unit.

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Speaker 7: They hired four of us to begin with. We were

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Speaker 7: all retired law enforcement with investigative background, and our sole

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Speaker 7: mission was to investigate childcare centers, not in home ones

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Speaker 7: or anything like that, the actual commercial daycare businesses that

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Speaker 7: were receiving SEACAP funds, childcare Assistance Program funds and determining

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Speaker 7: if they were committing fraud. And so that's how that's

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Speaker 7: how I became involved in it. And it wasn't long

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Speaker 7: after we started investiging that we did see signs of

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Speaker 7: latent fraud, not just mistakes on billing, but actually billing

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Speaker 7: for kids that were never even there.

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Speaker 1: Yep, ghost kids, fake centers, lots of money. How far

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Speaker 1: back would you say it would have been apparent to

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Speaker 1: the governor, the Attorney general, the leadership in their administrations

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Speaker 1: that there was a serious fraud problem in this fraud

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Speaker 1: problem in these programs.

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Speaker 7: Well, our unit was started towards the end of twenty

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Speaker 7: thirteen beginning of twenty fourteen, and I would say within

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Speaker 7: the first six to eight months, we were already investigating

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Speaker 7: quite a few daycare centers that were receiving. The very

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Speaker 7: first one that we investigated was receiving had received three

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Speaker 7: point seventy five million dollars in one year, and so

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Speaker 7: it was obvious that they were committing fraud. And the

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Speaker 7: number of these childcare centers would be owned by the

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Speaker 7: same owners or there'd be you know, intertwined people involved

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Speaker 7: in it. So one daycare center was involved with another

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Speaker 7: daycare center, so it was obvious that it was a

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Speaker 7: coordinated fraud scheme. And so that's what we started seeing

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Speaker 7: right away, and we started investigating.

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Speaker 1: How frustrating was it that people in power who could

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Speaker 1: have stopped it quicker, faster and more smartly, more compellingly,

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Speaker 1: weren't paying attention.

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Speaker 2: Well, we you know, we brought it up.

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Speaker 7: You know, we worked with county attorneys rather than the

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Speaker 7: Attorney General's office for whatever reason. Right it had to

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Speaker 7: go to the county attorney's office, whichever county the daycare

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Speaker 7: center was in to try to get prosecution. That wasn't

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Speaker 7: always success full. But the Inspector General and the people

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Speaker 7: within the upper administration they knew about this fraud.

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately.

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Speaker 7: Because of the fact that the majority of the centers

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Speaker 7: that we investigated wound up investigating they were owned and

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Speaker 7: operated and mainly catered to the Somali population. Now that's

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Speaker 7: not something we went looking for. We went our investigations

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Speaker 7: were based off of the dollar amount that they were receiving.

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Speaker 7: So the more money that SEACAP funds they were receiving,

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Speaker 7: those were the ones that we looked into. Those are

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Speaker 7: the ones that we found fraud. Well, unfortunately, because of

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Speaker 7: the pressure that they were getting from the Smali community,

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Speaker 7: a lot of our investigations were shut down or they

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Speaker 7: made it more difficult for us to investigate and basically

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Speaker 7: enforcement end of it, and began making them more internal

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Speaker 7: administrative type cases.

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Speaker 1: Any doubt that politics, given how important the Somali community

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Speaker 1: is to the democratic political machinery in Minnesota, politics definitely

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Speaker 1: involved in this.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Minnesota was really proud of the fact that they

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Speaker 7: had the largest Somali community, They had the Smali refugee

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Speaker 7: resettlement program, and so that was a big political hot

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Speaker 7: button back then, and we were being accused of disproportionately

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Speaker 7: targeting the Smiley community. Even though that's not the basis

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Speaker 7: of our investigations. So yeah, so it became harder and

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Speaker 7: harder for us to actually try to stop the fraud.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable story. Well, your courage is extraordinary, Bobby. I want

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Speaker 1: to turn to you. We now know that many of

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Speaker 1: these whistleblowers faced retaliation. They hearing in Congress last week

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Speaker 1: really exposed a lot of that a.

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Speaker 2: Few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me talk a little bit about what a whistleblower

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Speaker 1: goes through when they try to do the right thing

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Speaker 1: and the political establishment doesn't like where they're digging.

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Speaker 8: Well, what whistleblowers face time and again is they face retaliation.

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Speaker 9: And retaliation is when you suffer job consequences, you suffer

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Speaker 9: a hostile work environment, when they try to derail your

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Speaker 9: career because you're considered not to be a part of

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Speaker 9: the team.

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Speaker 8: And we see that time and again.

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Speaker 2: We didn't let me interrupt you.

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Speaker 1: Just for one second, stay with me for one second.

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Speaker 1: We have breaking news out of the White House. President

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Speaker 1: Trump just tweeted out that there is a temporary ceasefire

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Speaker 1: and negotiate it with Iran. There will be no bombing.

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Speaker 1: At eight o'clock tonight, a major victory at least early

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Speaker 1: for President Trump to get peace in some form, whether

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Speaker 1: through military action and negotiation. We're going to stay all

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Speaker 1: over this at just the news, but I want to

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Speaker 1: just break in with that.

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Speaker 2: Bobby, let me come back. You please finish that thought.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so they faced whistleblowers face retaliation. Mister Dexter didn't

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Speaker 8: fate retaliation.

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Speaker 9: He retired out of frustration with them shutting down the investigations.

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Speaker 8: Because they didn't like what they were finding in terms

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Speaker 8: of fraud. But whistleblowers need help, and that's what the

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Speaker 8: point of Empower Oversight is. We're a team of lawyers

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Speaker 8: that provide representation and we help whistle blowers get their

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Speaker 8: disclosures out in the right way to address things like fraud, waste,

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Speaker 8: and abuse. And then we also win whistleblowers face retaliation.

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Speaker 8: We get remedies for those whistleblowers, and that includes whistle

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Speaker 8: blowers like you mentioned earlier in the Hunter Biden case.

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Speaker 8: We got We were proud to announce that we got

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Speaker 8: resolution when they face retaliation. Even though they were prominent

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Speaker 8: whistleblowers that testified in front of Congress, that wasn't enough

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Speaker 8: to stop them from facing consequences at work.

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Speaker 1: The work and power has done you, Tristan Jason, the

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Speaker 1: whole team extraordina. You've protected people, You've got scores. Bar

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Speaker 1: is now informing Congress, the administration, federal prosecutors. It is

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary story and an extraordinary success story. Scott Dexter,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Charin, We thank you both for what you've done

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Speaker 1: for our country. Without you, we probably wouldn't know half

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Speaker 1: of what we know about Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us today. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and congratulations to the impact your work has done.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, que commercial break. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about saving more money again. One of my

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Speaker 1: favorite tax fighters in the world. Govin Norquis up next.

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Speaker 1: Right after these messages.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to America. I want to get to that

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Speaker 2: breaking news story.

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Speaker 1: The San clock was almost down to one hour, but

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Speaker 1: President Trump just announced he's going to hold off on

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Speaker 1: the mass attack that he was going to launch on

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Speaker 1: Iran tonight at eight pm Eastern time. Let me get

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Speaker 1: you the details right now. Says that the Pakistani negotiators

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Speaker 1: have been working in America asked for the delay. It

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Speaker 1: is subject to Iran immediately and completely opening the strait

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Speaker 1: of her moves and that if that happens in the

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Speaker 1: next few hours, it will be a double sided that's

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Speaker 1: the President's where double sided ceasefire. And he expressed significant

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Speaker 1: optimism that this moment may lead to a long term

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Speaker 1: resolution of Iran, which has terrorized the United States for

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Speaker 1: forty seven years since they took our embassy in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nine, when I was a heck of a lot younger.

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Speaker 1: The last thing the President set up behalf of the

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Speaker 1: United States of America as president, also representing the countries

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Speaker 1: of the Middle East in this crisis. It is an

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Speaker 1: honor to have this long term problem close to resolution.

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Speaker 1: Go check out of Justin Who's that kom We got

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Speaker 1: the full statement from President Trump. Will be watching all

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Speaker 1: through the night. Things could turn again, but right now

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Speaker 1: President Trump ordering the hold off of that attack, give

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Speaker 1: some time to see if Iran will reciprocate by opening

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Speaker 1: up the strait of her moves completely, and then we

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Speaker 1: moved to a complete ceasefire. We'll have you on top

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Speaker 1: of that all throughout the night.

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Speaker 2: Tape.

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Speaker 1: With that, let me turn to my next guest. I

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Speaker 1: have known him for many decades. He is one of

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Speaker 1: the most influential voices when it comes to tax reform

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Speaker 1: in America. He's done more to get your taxes smaller

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Speaker 1: and to fight to get spending down in anyone I know,

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Speaker 1: including creating a famous pledge that thousands of politicians have

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Speaker 1: now taken. He is the president of American's tax refirm.

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Speaker 1: He's a good friend, Grover Norkus. Grover, great to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show.

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Speaker 10: John, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Just what I thought.

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Speaker 1: There's no more ideas that you could come up with

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Speaker 1: and maybe alleviate the tax burden, make a little more

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Speaker 1: tax fairness in America.

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Speaker 2: You always have another good one.

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Speaker 1: A tremendous debate going on right now about ending an

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Speaker 1: inflation tax on capital gains, basically creating a benchmark that

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Speaker 1: would keep capital gains from growing just because of Inflation's

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Speaker 1: like the inflation that.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden gave us.

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about how this would work and

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Speaker 1: how beneficial it could be to all of us.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Look, the government cheets us when it prints too

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Speaker 10: much money, and when it prints money creates inflation, every

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Speaker 10: dollar in our pocket gets worth less. They add insult

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Speaker 10: to injury because while Reagan indexed your income, your wage

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Speaker 10: income to inflation, so that when you've got a pay

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Speaker 10: increase in your paycheck because of inflation, your tax rate

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Speaker 10: did not go up. That was Ronald Reagan, nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 10: eighty two, eighty three. What didn't get indexed is capital

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Speaker 10: inflation in capital gains. When you sell your house, a

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Speaker 10: lot of the value of your house that you pay

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Speaker 10: taxes on, a lot of that profit is simply inflation.

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Speaker 10: When you sell stocks or bonds that you've stored up

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Speaker 10: all your life in order to have a life savings

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Speaker 10: for retirement, a lot of what you sell is simply

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Speaker 10: inflation in that capital gains. Farmers see this when they

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Speaker 10: sell farmland. This is a huge, huge problem. We ought

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Speaker 10: not to be taxing inflation. It can be fixed with

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Speaker 10: an executive order out of the Treasury Department, a rule making.

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Speaker 10: I've spoken of the Treasury Secretary about this. He understands

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Speaker 10: he can do it. The President has said publicly that

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Speaker 10: he has the power to do this, and he's right.

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Speaker 10: There have been a number of judicial studies of this

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Speaker 10: to simply say that the cost basis for when you

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Speaker 10: sell your house or stocks, or your farm or your

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Speaker 10: small business is not what you paid for it originally,

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Speaker 10: but what you paid for it originally, plus the inflation

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Speaker 10: that's taken place, so you only pay capital gains taxes

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Speaker 10: on real gains. Be a tremendous boost in the value

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Speaker 10: of every home, every stock, every business, every farm in

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Speaker 10: the country.

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Speaker 1: You did something I think that's so important too. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people here capital gets Oh that's only for

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Speaker 1: the wealthy, but the other us who have four one k's,

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Speaker 1: and those of us that have a home, those of

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Speaker 1: us that have land. It effects all of us, the

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Speaker 1: middle class, the working class, all.

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Speaker 2: The way up.

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Speaker 1: That often gets demagogued and not talked about. But this

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Speaker 1: is a benefit to all Americans, not just the wealthy.

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Speaker 10: Right, every year, thirty million people pay capital gainst taxes,

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Speaker 10: thirty million. There aren't thirty million millionaires in the country

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Speaker 10: every year, and most of the people when they pay.

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Speaker 10: Most of the people who pay those taxes, three quarters

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Speaker 10: of them are making less than two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 10: a year. So we're talking about average Americans. Middle income

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Speaker 10: Americans pay capital gainst taxes at least once in their

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Speaker 10: life when they sell a house. At other times as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, such an important point before we let you go

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Speaker 1: real quickly. We only got about a minute left. There's

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary movement that you've been leading for more than

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Speaker 1: a decade. More in more states shrinking their income tax

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Speaker 1: or getting rid of it entirely. Virginia maybe an outlier

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Speaker 1: now that's got a democratic governor, but powerful movements starting

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Speaker 1: to save people. Talk a book outside of the federal

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Speaker 1: government at.

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Speaker 10: The state level sweeping the nation. There already we know

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Speaker 10: eight states with no income tax. There are twelve states

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Speaker 10: run by Republicans. Sadly Virginia might have become one, but

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Speaker 10: it didn't. Twelve states where the Republican governor and legislature

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Speaker 10: has said we are going to zero. In five of

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Speaker 10: those twelve they've actually passed the law that will click

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Speaker 10: it down to zero. As revenue comes in, they don't

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Speaker 10: spend the money, they use it to cut the income

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Speaker 10: tax until it gets to zero. There are used to

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Speaker 10: be eight states that had single rate taxes flat rate taxes.

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Speaker 10: That's now sixteen. So more states are going to flat

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Speaker 10: rate taxes, treat everyone the same, and more states are

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Speaker 10: going all the way to zero. It is a huge change.

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Speaker 10: New York and California are still going to hades, but

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Speaker 10: a lot of the rest of the country is moving

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Speaker 10: in the correct position very quickly.

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Speaker 1: They're moving in that direction because you help set the compass.

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Speaker 2: Grover.

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Speaker 1: I've watched your work for thirty plus years on this

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Speaker 1: you have set the culture that has now created this moment.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that tax relief that's performance based. That's a pretty

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Speaker 1: darn good idea, Grover. Always a great honor to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show, and it's always great down to

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Speaker 1: watch Americans for tax reform inaction. Thanks for joining us,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, John. Yeah, what a great conversation. Exciting all right, folks.

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Speaker 1: How quick commercial break when we come back, a final

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Speaker 1: conversation about Iran and this extraordina news that just broke

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Speaker 1: a few minutes ago. George Murriti is right after the break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. Just a few minutes left before we

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Speaker 1: wrap up the show, and I can't think of a

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Speaker 1: better way to do it than a man who wants

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Speaker 1: to be in Congress next year but previously served as

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Speaker 1: a submarine officer in an amazing US Navy joining me

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Speaker 1: right now from the great state of Florida. George Murtis, George,

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Speaker 1: great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, John.

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Speaker 12: I appreciate the opportunity be on here as well.

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Speaker 1: If you told me two years ago, we'd be having

880
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Speaker 1: a conversation maybe Cube is going to fall, Iron's going

881
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: to surrender Venezuela. Under new leadership, they would have told

882
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Speaker 1: us to go get checked out for memory.

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Speaker 2: Loss or something. This is kind of an amazing moment.

884
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Speaker 1: What's happening, A piece to strength moment that really seems

885
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: to be changing the arc of America in the world.

886
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Speaker 1: Give us your assessment, and there's a lot of caution.

887
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Speaker 1: We got to be careful with Iran. Cube's not done yet,

888
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: but a lot of movement, right, No.

889
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Speaker 2: You're right, John.

890
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Speaker 12: I mean, first of all, it's great, great news to

891
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 12: see that there's a ceasefire on the table now. You know,

892
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 12: no one wants to see that the nation of Iran

893
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Speaker 12: that you know.

894
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Speaker 11: The Persians annihilated.

895
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Speaker 12: What we want to see is them give up the

896
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Speaker 12: nuclear weapon that they've been trying to achieve, along with

897
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Speaker 12: the blistic missile capability. And I applaud President Trump releading

898
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 12: in a tough situation here. I will say that I'm

899
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Speaker 12: cautiously optimistic about the news.

900
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Speaker 11: You know, I was a submarine officer.

901
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 12: I served in the Kosovo campaign back in the late

902
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 12: nineteen nineties, there was still campaign. You know, we had

903
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 12: to bomb our way into getting a peace and that's

904
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Speaker 12: basically what's happened here.

905
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's really interesting, And I've seen you talk about this,

906
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: and I love the candidacy.

907
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Speaker 2: That you have in Florida right now for Congress.

908
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: President Trump has taken all the things that we thought

909
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: were unachievable in transident we're going to ever change the

910
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: establishment of Washington said nothing we can do about Cuban,

911
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: nothing we can do about Iran, and he's flipped that

912
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: script on its head. Give us a little bit because

913
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Speaker 1: it's close to your home state. What's been going on

914
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: in Cuba and what the potential is for some really

915
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: strong outcome there in the next few months.

916
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Speaker 12: Well, I agree with you, John, I mean President Trump

917
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 12: is he really takes a fresh approach to a lot

918
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 12: of things. And this is no exception, I think, both

919
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 12: on Iran and Cuba and Venezuela for that matter, he

920
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 12: showed an extraordinary leadership and kind of breaking a lot

921
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 12: of eggs that we thought couldn't be broken.

922
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Speaker 11: In a way, taking a fresh approach to.

923
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Speaker 12: Some long term you know, I RAN's been a global

924
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 12: export of terrorism, trying to acquire a nuclear weapon. And

925
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Speaker 12: then finally President and Trump kind of puts his foot down,

926
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Speaker 12: says we're not going to have this. We're going to

927
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Speaker 12: stop you, even if it means, you know, exerting our

928
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 12: military force to do it. With Cuba, I agree, this

929
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Speaker 12: is a generational moment. Again, it's been decades of the

930
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 12: Cuban people living under oppression, you know, really with almost

931
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 12: little or to no prospect of freedom, particularly under the

932
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Speaker 12: Biden approach, of the Obama approach is kind of giving

933
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Speaker 12: more and more money to.

934
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Speaker 11: The really the people who are doing the oppressing.

935
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Speaker 12: And now President Trump has cut that off and is

936
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 12: now you know, basically threatening to topple the regime, which

937
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 12: we should.

938
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Speaker 11: It's long overdue.

939
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it does seem it's having consequences.

940
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Speaker 2: By the hour.

941
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Speaker 1: You served in our great military, you served a Bordo sub.

942
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: When you watch this weekend, the President pull out every

943
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: possible stop to rescue an airman down in enemy territory

944
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: for two days, the rescue is something ripped out of

945
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Speaker 1: a Hollywood movie, but it was very real to every

946
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: man and woman who serves with that uniform. What message

947
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: to the President, Pete Hagsaf, Marco Rubin and others, delivered

948
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: this weekend.

949
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Speaker 12: I think the message is what we've always said as

950
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 12: the US military. We're not gonna leave anyone behind, absolutely not.

951
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 12: And we're asking these men and women to put their

952
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 12: lives on the line, and if someone gets shot down

953
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 12: over enemy territory, we're not gonna stop at anything to

954
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 12: get them back alive or dead frankly for that matter.

955
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Speaker 12: And thank god he was alive, he was able to survive,

956
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Speaker 12: his quiet testimony to his training to be able to

957
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Speaker 12: survive for forty eight hours in enemy territory. And then

958
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 12: of course, you know, to again to the leadership of

959
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 12: the military, the brave men you know that went down

960
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 12: to get him, the helicopter pilots, the airplane pilots. It

961
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 12: was a full court press to get it back. And yeah,

962
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 12: the message is, you know, we care about the men

963
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 12: and women that serve this nation.

964
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they've served us so well we owe them

965
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: everything in return. Yourself concluded, George, will keep it a

966
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: close eye on your great candidacy in Florida. Hope to

967
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Speaker 1: have you back on the show again real soon. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us.

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Speaker 12: Thank you John If anybody's interested about the campaign, we're

970
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Speaker 12: trying to take out the far left.

971
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Speaker 11: Garret Moskowitz, please come to my website.

972
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Speaker 12: Georgepoorcongress dot com.

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Speaker 2: Good plan, everybody go there, all right, folks. That wraps

974
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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 1: We're handing off to amazing Grant Sinceville.

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Speaker 2: Have a great