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Speaker 1: in fris Jo, Satay, and now your hosts Isaiah stand Back,
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Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Welcome in, everybody. I'm live
Speaker 1: from inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios. You can see it
Speaker 1: back behind me, but we are virtual as always, or
Speaker 1: at least as always this year. Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand
Speaker 1: back in the Great heck Harrison as we break down
Speaker 1: the great Yeah you got it, great, There you go,
Speaker 1: the Great heck My Harrison breaking down this Atlanta defense
Speaker 1: versus the Cowboys offense today where we're really going to
Speaker 1: dive into how the Cowboys can look better on the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the football. And I know that's something
Speaker 1: that is really a big question mark amongst Cowboys Nation
Speaker 1: right now. But Rob, the thing is with me is
Speaker 1: I'm pretty happy right now because there's some reinforcements coming
Speaker 1: on that defensive side for the Cowboys in the form
Speaker 1: of Jordan Lewis, seemingly because he was a full participant
Speaker 1: in practice yesterday and this is a cornerback room that
Speaker 1: really needs some extra help. And the fact that he's
Speaker 1: available for a game where you have to stop a
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, a Russell Gage and Calvin Ridley. That's something
Speaker 1: that sticks out to me because he's definitely one of
Speaker 1: those guys who can make a play on the football.
Speaker 1: Rob Yeah, for sure. I think we talked about the
Speaker 1: how dangerous this Falcon's receiving core is and I got
Speaker 1: I kind of got yelled at in my Twitter mentions
Speaker 1: yesterday because I was like, hey, the injury report looks
Speaker 1: pretty clean. Only Jordan Lewis is the only guy on
Speaker 1: it and he had a full practice And everybody's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they've got like eighteen guys on IR and you're right,
Speaker 1: they do. But that is, uh, that is encouraging to
Speaker 1: have Lewis full practice. That's a great sign for Sunday.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how that might affect the rotation,
Speaker 1: because you know, Anthony Brown was kind of in that
Speaker 1: nickel roll last week, and that's kind of been the
Speaker 1: battle between those two guys for a couple of years
Speaker 1: now who takes over the slot. But Lewis certainly could
Speaker 1: do it when he's when he's healthy. And I think
Speaker 1: he will be healthy because I think he got his
Speaker 1: boot off. He had that ankle injury. He had the
Speaker 1: boot off I think before week one, so I think
Speaker 1: he's been he's been pouring towards full practice for a
Speaker 1: while now. Yeah, that's absolutely great news to hear that
Speaker 1: Jay Lewis is back. And obviously, prior to training camp
Speaker 1: and even before all this ovid, we knew that a
Speaker 1: Woozier and Lewis had to have a lights out camp
Speaker 1: and it sounds like both of these guys during training
Speaker 1: camp they did that. Very unfortunate for the High Eicle
Speaker 1: spray for Jordan Lewis, but really fortunate for us. We
Speaker 1: get him back at in a week that's really important,
Speaker 1: and especially with the firepower that Atlanta has. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Jordan Lewis to make some big plays this Sunday. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it fellas. I just like his I like his energy, right,
Speaker 1: I like Jordan Lewis's energy. I like it. I like
Speaker 1: how tenacious he is. I think that's something that's going
Speaker 1: to be needed this weekend against this onslaught of receivers
Speaker 1: that obviously are coming to town. So kudos. I'm glad
Speaker 1: he's back. Go ahead and throw them into the rotation.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys back there competing, and competition
Speaker 1: ever a bad thing, It's not a bad thing. And
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some competition against Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: And I was just asked this question on the fan
Speaker 1: with Sean and RJ just a moment ago, and I
Speaker 1: was gonna actually bring it up to you guys, because
Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this in terms of who who out
Speaker 1: there do we put on these three receivers? Who do
Speaker 1: you want matched up against the Julio Jones? Who do
Speaker 1: you want matched up against the Calvin Ridley? And then
Speaker 1: who's the third that ultimately has to go up against
Speaker 1: Russell Gage. But I mean, when I look at it,
Speaker 1: and this is my answer that I gave Sean and
Speaker 1: r J, I said, why not throw treyvon Digs out
Speaker 1: there on Julio Jones. There's a lot of reasons why not. Sure,
Speaker 1: He's Julio Jones. Nobody's really gonna slow him down. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. That's when I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1: He's the most athletic one we've got back there, and
Speaker 1: he's also the longest corner we've got back there. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: if you have a rebuttal, give it to me, because
Speaker 1: I'm not confident in it. Um, you're a very mean
Speaker 1: person because you want this. You want this rookie to
Speaker 1: go out there and play against the best receiver the
Speaker 1: NFL has to resist. Yes, by the way, who went again?
Speaker 1: Us a dog ar good defense last week? And he's
Speaker 1: still put up one hundred and fifty yards? Are you
Speaker 1: serious right now? Yeah? Yeah, No, I'm I'm one serious.
Speaker 1: It's trial by fire. I'm still I really seriously a
Speaker 1: heart attack. I hope you don't walk into Diggs in
Speaker 1: the hallway because he's gonna be like, why would you
Speaker 1: say that? Would you do to me? Well? Who else
Speaker 1: you put on? Hope he doesn't say that. Come on,
Speaker 1: come on, Isaiah, If you're gonna do that, you know
Speaker 1: you gotta give days help over the top. He won't
Speaker 1: be he won't be a one man army versus Julio that.
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, you know you're gonna you're gonna give
Speaker 1: him help over the top, but he's got to get
Speaker 1: used to it one of these one way or another.
Speaker 1: He's a guy, you got. There's there's trial by fire
Speaker 1: and then there's just death. Okay, let's not throw him.
Speaker 1: He just got here. Let's not send him on his
Speaker 1: way already. Okay, we don't want to say, r ip Diggs. Already,
Speaker 1: Julio Jones will have a complete field day. No disrespected, Diggs.
Speaker 1: You made it to the league and you're gonna continue
Speaker 1: to get better. You're a great player. But we're playing
Speaker 1: against a great player, and not just a great player,
Speaker 1: like the greatest receive that we have in the game today.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that anybody can really dispeate that
Speaker 1: right now. So let's not put him out there against Julio,
Speaker 1: even with help, because we've seen Julio get guarded. Nobody
Speaker 1: just goes man to man against Julio. He doesn't, right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think. I don't think that's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Man. But with that right, Julio Jones
Speaker 1: is still the best receiver and undoubtedly in this in
Speaker 1: this league right now, and he never faces simply just
Speaker 1: man to man coverage. So think about that. He always
Speaker 1: has help over the top, and he's still it's Julio,
Speaker 1: So yes, we might give me. Yes, Dixon, go out
Speaker 1: there and do it. Agin It's just again, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, hey, I you know, I am a realist.
Speaker 1: If anybody out here that's listening, y'all can come at
Speaker 1: me all you want to, I am a realist. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't do it. There's a great poet by the name
Speaker 1: of Andre three thousand. He said, don't do it, reconsider,
Speaker 1: don't do it. Suck love it. I love it. So wait,
Speaker 1: you got Julio Bob Hopkins best receiver in the leagues? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would approach you too, just because just because it
Speaker 1: was like Megatron in his day, there's just nobody that
Speaker 1: can match up with him now. To play Devil's advocate,
Speaker 1: and I'm not agreeing with Kyle, but I'm just playing
Speaker 1: that Cable's advocate here. Tyon Treybond Diggs is six two,
Speaker 1: and he's drafted to be a guy that eventually, eventually
Speaker 1: can maybe match up with some of those larger receivers
Speaker 1: in the league. But yeah, we two today. Yeah, today,
Speaker 1: that might be a Cheeto matchup for me, Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. You put Cheeto on them, You put Cheeto
Speaker 1: on them, and you give Cheeto help, just like you
Speaker 1: give everybody else help, you know what I mean, Just
Speaker 1: like everybody else gives help whenever they play against Hulo
Speaker 1: and you take your chances, you roll your dice against
Speaker 1: Ridley engaged, You try your best to eliminate their number
Speaker 1: one resource. You take him out the game, and you
Speaker 1: trust that you have enough talent on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball to handle everybody else that they have on
Speaker 1: their roster. But you do not. You do not let
Speaker 1: their number one beat you, even with help over the top.
Speaker 1: You don't trust your rookie in that situation. I say, no, no,
Speaker 1: not against Julio. See look just just look at it.
Speaker 1: Last week. What do you do last week? I thought? Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, but still that that's who who digs are
Speaker 1: Julio Julio Julio. Okay, yeah, Julio is fantastic. Yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened. At some point. Where do you when you're
Speaker 1: I guess, when you're strategizing for this, do you say,
Speaker 1: all right, Julio is gonna get his, but not everybody else?
Speaker 1: Is that the moond state going into a game like this, No,
Speaker 1: you go, you go the opposite. You ensure that Julio
Speaker 1: does not get his, and you trust that that you're
Speaker 1: that your other guys on your depth chart can handle
Speaker 1: the rest of their lineup. I would much rather lose
Speaker 1: to Ridley Engage going off than Julio going off. That's
Speaker 1: just that's just how it goes. Right. You trust that
Speaker 1: your defensive line is gonna handle Girly in the backfield.
Speaker 1: You trust that your dbs in your in your scheme
Speaker 1: right where Mike Nolan is gonna handle Julio. Now, guess what,
Speaker 1: Jordan lewis you figure out how to handle Gauge whoever
Speaker 1: else step up up and you handle Ridley and we
Speaker 1: roll the dice and we go to work. Right, that's
Speaker 1: what you want to do. You do not want to
Speaker 1: give this guy an opportunity to get going, because it's
Speaker 1: not just Julio Jones. You still have Maddie Ice placing
Speaker 1: the ball in the exact spots for only Julio to
Speaker 1: catch the ball. So let's not just think about it.
Speaker 1: It's just receivers out there running rounds on dbs. It's
Speaker 1: also a matter of the quarterbacks throwing them open when
Speaker 1: they they maybe not be open. Apparently. Remember, heck, it's
Speaker 1: not a Chrysler here. We're not deal with just no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know exactly the one that we're talking about. And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying from a schematic standpoint. Would it
Speaker 1: be better that we say, look, we're gonna obviously double
Speaker 1: this guy. We're not gonna send someone out there to
Speaker 1: dive a thousand paper cuts against him. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a situation where we double him. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: these other guys I believe are manageable. If we're gonna
Speaker 1: go a Woozier against Jones and then go with Trey
Speaker 1: digs against Ridley and engage with our nickel corner, I
Speaker 1: trust that. I trust that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's just a give and take. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: situation where, you know, a veteran receiver like Julio, you
Speaker 1: can't just put the clamps on him and shut him
Speaker 1: down completely. He's too good, his game's too good. So uh,
Speaker 1: that's that's just you know, my my feeling on it
Speaker 1: is that that's the approach that we have to have
Speaker 1: going into this Sunday. And if you miss, guys encouraged
Speaker 1: by what Diggs did in a week one? Sorry, Kyle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm encouraged by it. What's the question? What'd
Speaker 1: you say? Well? I'm sorry? Were you guys encouraged by
Speaker 1: the way Diggs plays? What played what he did in
Speaker 1: week one? Because I was, I mean, if he were
Speaker 1: three inches toler he might have had a pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought and I thought he battled. You know,
Speaker 1: but the way the way the RAMS scheme things up,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, nobody could. Yeah, I mean they're all
Speaker 1: over the place. I mean, but but going but going
Speaker 1: into this week, Rob like Dives had a good a
Speaker 1: good week one. Why would you take his confidence down? Right?
Speaker 1: Don't take his confidence down? Build his confidence. Put him
Speaker 1: out there on Ridley. Okay, listen up. You did a
Speaker 1: good job of this past weekend. Yeah, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and step it up. Now you're sticking Ridley right now,
Speaker 1: that's your responsibility. Don't put that on a Ricky handle, Julio.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any team in the league. I
Speaker 1: don't care what Ricky it is. It's gonna put Ricky
Speaker 1: on Julio. Okay, it's not gonna happen. Okay, it's just
Speaker 1: not smart going off of that. By the way, for
Speaker 1: those of you listening, if you haven't checked out Wednesday's episode,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about cars. We talked about Bentley's
Speaker 1: and Chrysler's and how Julio's the Lamborghini of the group.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. So, Isaiah, if you're not willing
Speaker 1: to take that fresh car straight off the lot, driving
Speaker 1: it straight off the lot to go race to the Lamborghini,
Speaker 1: would you be more willing to throw a classic car
Speaker 1: on there? What about branding car is what I'm talking
Speaker 1: about whenever you're talking about specifically putting a veteran out
Speaker 1: there to maybe cover Julio Jones. Yes, absolutely, I'll put
Speaker 1: a branded car on Julio and give him help. I would, Honestly.
Speaker 1: It's not just our dvs that have their job cutout
Speaker 1: for him, right obviously our defensive coordinator only he has
Speaker 1: to figure it out. And I would, personally, if I
Speaker 1: was a decordinator, I would put to cover two men
Speaker 1: on that side of the field wherever to hit Julio's at.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit at defense a bat on his inside
Speaker 1: shoulder to get closest to the ball. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: that guy turn his back to the inside of the
Speaker 1: field or turn his back to the quarterback. His job
Speaker 1: is simply to force Julio Jones to run any route
Speaker 1: outside right, and then you also have a safety over
Speaker 1: the top that helps it. It It justicates Julio runs by you,
Speaker 1: so you're essentially pinning him and saying all your routes
Speaker 1: can only go in that outside five yards outside the
Speaker 1: outside the hash marks, outside the numbers, and to the sideline.
Speaker 1: That's where all your routes could be ran. And that's
Speaker 1: all we're gonna allow for you to do. If you
Speaker 1: come inside, we have help. If you run by us,
Speaker 1: we have help. And you eliminate him out the game
Speaker 1: and just limit him to just those routes. Everybody else
Speaker 1: go play ball, and you expect you, We're expecting our
Speaker 1: defensive line to come back and have a heck of
Speaker 1: a response to they're lack thereof this past week. I
Speaker 1: know that's that, and that's and that is the key,
Speaker 1: because if you're talking about Julio Jones on you know,
Speaker 1: out routes and all that, Mattie Ice is gonna Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan is gonna have to have time to do that
Speaker 1: and go through his progression. So the line has to
Speaker 1: get pressure this week. They have to last week. Man,
Speaker 1: just look be smarter. Just if you looked at the game,
Speaker 1: you realize, Man, everything that golf was doing was quick throws,
Speaker 1: those little five yard Deacon dunk and those guys were
Speaker 1: taking it the rest of the way. And I think
Speaker 1: that any quarterback in the NFL would like to throw
Speaker 1: a five yard pass and see it go for thirty yards.
Speaker 1: So we definitely have to stop that. Rob. Is there
Speaker 1: a chance that we see a lot of Brandon car
Speaker 1: because of this then in his first week back, even
Speaker 1: though it really hasn't been that long since he was
Speaker 1: actually plucked up off of the free agent market. It's
Speaker 1: a great question. I'm not I'm not so sure. I
Speaker 1: think I don't think they wanted to really put him
Speaker 1: out their week one. He didn't have a training camp,
Speaker 1: and I think as a vet, twelve year vet, I
Speaker 1: think he could he could have gone out there and played,
Speaker 1: but I think they wanted to give him another week.
Speaker 1: Maybe he works into a rotation there I mentioned yesterday,
Speaker 1: you know, Zaiah mentioned Hurst the tight end for Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That that's a type of matchup that I think Brandon
Speaker 1: Carr could thrive in. Potentially. I think we saw Darryl
Speaker 1: Worley take the tight end last week, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: something a way he could he could get in and
Speaker 1: get some snaps um. But it's it's such a there's
Speaker 1: so many numbers at this position. I'm not sure exactly
Speaker 1: how they're gonna work them in unless they just make
Speaker 1: a change at safety, which I don't think they're they're
Speaker 1: gonna do week two. And Rob to your point, and Kyle,
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't answer fully answer your question. Uh.
Speaker 1: With car being a twelve year veteran, Right's he's your
Speaker 1: most experienced defensive back that you have now on this
Speaker 1: inside or side of the ball, and he has faced
Speaker 1: more number one receivers than Trevan Dix has ever dreamed of. Right, So,
Speaker 1: the fact that he knows the ins and outs of
Speaker 1: number one receivers, he knows what Julio has done because
Speaker 1: he's faced them before. Right, he knows what these guys's
Speaker 1: schemes are. He is so much more prepared to handle
Speaker 1: a situation such as this, which is I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and say it. This is a must win game
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, must win all right, You're right, because
Speaker 1: because you're going to Seattle next week, right, so this
Speaker 1: is must week win, must week, must win week for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And I know it sounds silly going to
Speaker 1: the week two. We have some some teams that we
Speaker 1: can definitely scrape up going past that, but these first
Speaker 1: three games are important, so you cannot afford to miss
Speaker 1: on this opportunity. And if we were to come back
Speaker 1: next week on Monday and talk about, oh, Julio Jones
Speaker 1: went off for one hundred and seventy five yards because
Speaker 1: we decided to let him just do what he does,
Speaker 1: we will be a very, very sick as Cowboys nation.
Speaker 1: So would you consider you know, the talk has been
Speaker 1: you know, Brandon Carr comes in, maybe helps the numbers
Speaker 1: at safety, would you consider playing him at corner potential.
Speaker 1: I'll put him right on Julio. Okay, I'll put him
Speaker 1: right on Holi because there's nothing that Julio is going
Speaker 1: to do that that car has not seen. Right now,
Speaker 1: can he fully adjust and cover him? Nobody can cover Julio,
Speaker 1: So you're not losing anything there. But in terms of schemes,
Speaker 1: in terms of making sure that other dbs know what's
Speaker 1: going on, in terms of seeing things on the field,
Speaker 1: of combination routes and being able to help guys be
Speaker 1: prepared for what's coming. Car is the most prepared person
Speaker 1: aside from Worthy. It's the same team that had three
Speaker 1: hundred yards receivers and lost about thirteen last year. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's a very good point, very good point. Just because
Speaker 1: these receivers are having success doesn't mean the team has success.
Speaker 1: If you can put up points as well, which we
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys can do, it could pay dividends for
Speaker 1: them moving forward. Now we're going to talk about that
Speaker 1: Cowboys side of the football offense versus defense. Is Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore going to get more creative with his play calling?
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about it next here on talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: breaking down the Atlanta defense versus that Dallas Cowboys high
Speaker 1: flying offense that only put up seventeen points in Week one. Boat,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get past that and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: how they can get better in week two. Isaiah standback,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and guys
Speaker 1: like I said, there were some disappointment around this offense.
Speaker 1: Uh play calling, offensive wine, not really getting your playmakers
Speaker 1: the football in space. There were quite a few different
Speaker 1: things that could have been upgraded from a Cowboys perspective,
Speaker 1: but Heck, we're gonna start with you. What was the
Speaker 1: number one thing in week one that has to improve
Speaker 1: going into week two? Third down efficiency. We have to
Speaker 1: get better on third down. That's uh. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know Dak Prescott that's on his mind because that's
Speaker 1: the quarterback stat. And it just felt as though, and
Speaker 1: let me just back up here a little bit. I
Speaker 1: realized we had those penalties that just sty me those
Speaker 1: drives and when we were still in momentum, but we
Speaker 1: were awful on third down, and we have to get
Speaker 1: better in this game. Rob, Yeah, totally agree. I agree
Speaker 1: with you. Heck, I think that third down efficiency. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't give yourself a chance to win
Speaker 1: ball games if you only convert twenty five percent of
Speaker 1: your third downs. Just just just not not set up for
Speaker 1: success unless you're just making big plays all the time.
Speaker 1: But I I think that we have to control the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I don't if we don't, if our
Speaker 1: office a line doesn't control the line of scrimmage, then
Speaker 1: we have zero chance. Obviously, there is a disruptorum, the
Speaker 1: best disruptor in the league right now. Um, in terms
Speaker 1: of with the Rams last week and with with Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: But you know, aside from a physical specimen of a
Speaker 1: force like that, we don't face that this week. But collectively,
Speaker 1: I think that the Atlanta's defensive line plays better as
Speaker 1: a whole in their in their scheme that they play,
Speaker 1: So we don't have to worry about just one person.
Speaker 1: You have to worry about two or three people now
Speaker 1: because of the scheme that they play. Um behind these
Speaker 1: guys and as much movement as they have on this
Speaker 1: D line, So they we have some work cut out
Speaker 1: for us that we have to show up this week
Speaker 1: or the otherwise there's no chance. Yeah, you're right, I
Speaker 1: mean Tack McKinley, Dante Fowler. They had some success up
Speaker 1: front in Week one. It's just there are some some
Speaker 1: busted plays on the back end for Atlanta in Week one.
Speaker 1: I think that's that was a big thing for I
Speaker 1: mean that game was a two point game at halftime
Speaker 1: and they kind of got blown open. I'll take it
Speaker 1: a step further from third down and say red zone.
Speaker 1: And I wrote about this yesterday. It's just when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have not been able to convert inside the twenty consistently,
Speaker 1: they lose games. They were one in seven in games
Speaker 1: last year when they converted it fifty percent or less,
Speaker 1: and they were at fifty percent on Sunday night and
Speaker 1: they lost. So it's one in eight. Going back to
Speaker 1: last year, they just you know, they pile up yards,
Speaker 1: you know, three hundred and eighty yards, almost four hundred yards.
Speaker 1: They would have been well over that if that gallop
Speaker 1: play counted, and yet they're not matching that with the points.
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing to me. They've just got
Speaker 1: to find a way that ceedee lamb play. They've got
Speaker 1: to be able to cash in. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: would be right there with Heckma whenever he's talking about
Speaker 1: the Linus grimmage and Rob you're mentioning it as well.
Speaker 1: But you have to be able to control the attack.
Speaker 1: McKinley's the Grady Jarretts of the world. These are two
Speaker 1: top level edge rushers. They're not necessarily the household names
Speaker 1: like an Aaron Donald, but they're both ascending players, and
Speaker 1: they're both guys that got to the quarterback in Week
Speaker 1: one against Seattle and the Russell Wilson offense. But if
Speaker 1: this is going to be another game where Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: is starting at right tackle, are you worried Rob about
Speaker 1: potentially having problems over there at right tackle. I know
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about this a little bit yesterday,
Speaker 1: But in watching the film and looking at what Terrence
Speaker 1: Steel did, he stood up for the majority of the
Speaker 1: plays against that Los Angeles Rams defensive line. But is
Speaker 1: he able to do it two weeks in a row,
Speaker 1: That's the big question. I'm with you. I thought he
Speaker 1: battled in the game, and you know, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: until I think the Leonard Floyd stack late where it
Speaker 1: really showed up. You know. I mean, you know he
Speaker 1: had some trouble during the game. They all did because
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald was everywhere and he was pushing three guys
Speaker 1: around at times. But I think for his first time out,
Speaker 1: you know, there was definitely some progress there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's something you've got to be mindful of. We talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday. You may need some help, some chip help,
Speaker 1: whether it's a running back at tied end, somebody on
Speaker 1: that side. So you know, we'll see what happens, and
Speaker 1: it's definitely something to watch because, like I said, and
Speaker 1: like Isaiah said, they have guys who can get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. You know, it's just I think as they
Speaker 1: fell behind in the game, it was harder to probably
Speaker 1: get on get pressure on Russ as the game went
Speaker 1: on on last Sunday. Now, Isaiah, I know you actually
Speaker 1: were on the Seahawks roster back in twenty ten whenever
Speaker 1: dan Quinn was the defensive line coach. Any stories that
Speaker 1: kind of stick out from your time there and what
Speaker 1: you remember about dan Quinn. Now, of course he ended
Speaker 1: up becoming the defensive coordinator, and now he's the head coach.
Speaker 1: He's been the head coach for quite some time. But
Speaker 1: what's stuck out to you a decade ago Whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to dan Quinn, Queen likes to have fun. He's
Speaker 1: a high energy coach who wants to get in your face.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's passed off his defensive coordinator duties over to
Speaker 1: over to what Raheim Raheem Morris and but the aggressive right,
Speaker 1: they're both aggressive. I mean these dudes, these dudes got
Speaker 1: some juice in them now, both of them. So you
Speaker 1: can see that in last week's game against Seattle, where
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have to beat man coverage, you know,
Speaker 1: so there's there's there's pros, and there's conser that this
Speaker 1: defensive line is collectively better than what we face last week,
Speaker 1: and they can get pressure up the field, but it
Speaker 1: actually hurt them last week and get Seattle as well
Speaker 1: because guys were able to beat man coverage and make
Speaker 1: some plays. So, um, you know we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: figure it out on the on the offensive line side
Speaker 1: of things, because Quinn is gonna bring the pressure. He's
Speaker 1: gonna bring pressure, he's gonna step up in your face
Speaker 1: with his DBS, and he's gonna challenge Cooper. He's not
Speaker 1: threatened by any of these guys that we have. He's
Speaker 1: not threatened by Cooper. He's not threatened by Gallup. He's
Speaker 1: definitely not He's definitely not threatened by Ceedee Lamb until
Speaker 1: he shows them some more. So, these guys are gonna
Speaker 1: get up in your face. They're gonna put hands on
Speaker 1: your the line of scrimmage, and they're gonna trust that
Speaker 1: their front four can get to your quarterback before you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to break open as a receiver. Um. So,
Speaker 1: if we can block it up, if we can block
Speaker 1: it up and these and our receivers can beat man coverage,
Speaker 1: then we're gonna have an opportunity of some big plays.
Speaker 1: Don't really see him. I really don't see us chipping away,
Speaker 1: you know, just moving the sticks. I think that this game,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna have success in this game, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to come into former big plays and
Speaker 1: that's gonna require his office in line blocking up this
Speaker 1: front four heckma, Well, hey, well, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know Dan Quinn personally, so I don't have any stories
Speaker 1: for you Quinn, but I can just go based off
Speaker 1: of what I know about. The defense is and Roddy
Speaker 1: Morrison again another very aggressive defensive coordinator as well. But
Speaker 1: Tach McKinley last week has six quarterback hits, which was
Speaker 1: tops in the NFL. And they also get Dante Fowler
Speaker 1: from the Rams, who had a twelve sacks last year,
Speaker 1: so they have some guys that can hunt. But it's
Speaker 1: there a guy Grady Jared. If we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: comparison between and we're gonna seems like we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Aaron Donald every week because he pressed the heck
Speaker 1: out of us. But Grady Jared's he's that high energy
Speaker 1: guy man. He is so strong at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: His hands and feet work together he's ripping guys and
Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback. He's a run stuffer. That's what
Speaker 1: he specializes in. And when you look at his numbers
Speaker 1: in comparison to Aaron Donald, he's right there. As far
Speaker 1: as the statistics. I'm not calling him Aaron Donald. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about the numbers. But when you talk about
Speaker 1: when you talk about the one on one matchups, and
Speaker 1: that's where I think the rubber meets the roll for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, because if you're gonna give our receivers one
Speaker 1: on one on the outside, specifically especially of Mary Cooper,
Speaker 1: I'll take that. But also there's another matchup that I
Speaker 1: think is really gonna be interesting. Dean Jones for the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. Out of LSU six one two and twenty
Speaker 1: five pounds. Very aggressive linebacker, but he plays more like
Speaker 1: a rover. He's gonna get one on one opportunities with
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott in the passing game, and that's where I
Speaker 1: feel like we can exploit them. But guys, we have
Speaker 1: to play bullyball. We have to play bullyball, and we
Speaker 1: have to run this ball. Title possession is going to
Speaker 1: be very important because the best defender that we have
Speaker 1: Julio Jones is the bench and Gatorade. Yeah, I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. Just to piggyback too on that, sorry, Kyle,
Speaker 1: on that. Um, you know, winning those man coverage battles,
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf blew the game open for Seattle. So he
Speaker 1: beat them. He beat the jam. It wasn't a good
Speaker 1: enough jam from Isaiah Oliver and he was gone thirty
Speaker 1: eight yards touchdown. And that's that's the thing. You want
Speaker 1: to play man coverage. The Cowboys have three guys who
Speaker 1: can win on any given down. So that was that
Speaker 1: was on fourth down, by the way, to Row, that's right,
Speaker 1: fourth down play. You think you have them, So you
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys, there's gonna be some opportunities. By the way,
Speaker 1: the Falcons have a have a rookie cornerback as well.
Speaker 1: They're gonna play a lot. So how you know which
Speaker 1: which secondary can be more consistent. That's a big one.
Speaker 1: And like you guys said to controlling the line of scrimmage. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now that we've kind of talked about the defensive
Speaker 1: sign for for an Atlanta team that needs some help defensively,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, they gave up thirty eight points
Speaker 1: and really I had a bit of yardage as well
Speaker 1: there last week, three and twenty two passing yards along
Speaker 1: with eighty four rushing yards. They were good on the ground,
Speaker 1: but through the air, Russell Wilson really kind of tore
Speaker 1: them apart. Now, offensively for the Cowboys, we mentioned that
Speaker 1: the offensive line has to get better, but really a
Speaker 1: lot of the conversation this week has been centered around
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and the play calling. It seemed like it
Speaker 1: was back to the conservative side of things that we
Speaker 1: really saw at the end of last year, and that's
Speaker 1: what was really frustrating for a lot of Cowboys fans.
Speaker 1: But Rob, when you look at this play calling and
Speaker 1: really the the entire body of work for Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: is there something that's concerning with you or is this
Speaker 1: just really the way things were against a team last
Speaker 1: week that was destroying you on the offensive line. I'm
Speaker 1: not as concerned with it as some people are. I
Speaker 1: think I think yeah, I think maybe there was a
Speaker 1: little bit of surprise. They didn't have as much pre
Speaker 1: snap motion, some different looks pre snap Maybe some of
Speaker 1: it had to do with the fact that you're playing
Speaker 1: a defense you're not really sure what you're getting from them.
Speaker 1: There's there's no there's no tape on them, so maybe
Speaker 1: it'll change as the weeks go on. I do think
Speaker 1: you have to remember the way that the Rams played
Speaker 1: their safeties back. That affects your ability to go down
Speaker 1: the field, or at least you have to make adjustments
Speaker 1: off of that. You have a rookie right tackle that
Speaker 1: you want to protect, and so I know there's I
Speaker 1: know there's been complaints about, you know, running too much
Speaker 1: on first down. I think they try to be balanced
Speaker 1: to help out their line, you know, and get some
Speaker 1: balance established there. So I'm not that concerned about the
Speaker 1: biggest thing for me is the yardage is there. They
Speaker 1: got to finish drives and finish third downs because I
Speaker 1: think they're able to pile up yards, it's turning it
Speaker 1: into points. It's the biggest thing. And Rob just to
Speaker 1: get Just to give a little bit more background for
Speaker 1: those that are listening out there, this isn't just a hey,
Speaker 1: m pick up play and we're just gonna run it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's not how it goes on office, right. There's so
Speaker 1: much work that goes into this on the back end.
Speaker 1: These offensive coordinators, these defensive coordinators, are playing chess games.
Speaker 1: Is literally they played. They played thirty games in their
Speaker 1: head before four Sunday ever shows up. So I can
Speaker 1: tell you for like a Kellen Moore, you know, there's
Speaker 1: probably three hundred, three hundred plays that he has on
Speaker 1: that call sheet. Every play is broken down to this
Speaker 1: is a first down call, This is a first and
Speaker 1: five call, This is a you know whatever our first
Speaker 1: and tam call. This is a first and long call.
Speaker 1: These things are so broken down. The statistics are so
Speaker 1: so fine or minute. It's crazy if you guys were
Speaker 1: ever to see it on the back end, because there's
Speaker 1: so much data and those are the things that are
Speaker 1: going through their head. On third down, they blit sixty
Speaker 1: seven percent at a time, but if we bring an
Speaker 1: eleven personnel, it drops down to thirty percent. Right, So
Speaker 1: there's so many things that they're literally going back and
Speaker 1: forthood within themselves, but before ever calling a play, and
Speaker 1: then once they call that play, now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we can't be aggressive because if we don't secure the
Speaker 1: interior line of the scrimmage, we don't have time for
Speaker 1: Dak to sit back and throw some of these deeper
Speaker 1: routes and be more aggressive so I understand people, Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore is really good. These guys have to take care
Speaker 1: of the things up front. Until your point, Rob, it
Speaker 1: was a first week without a preseason seeing this with
Speaker 1: that defensive coordinator was going to do, so he had
Speaker 1: no idea right what the heck was going on. So
Speaker 1: some of that conservativeness came from, Hey, let me sit
Speaker 1: and watch. Let me get a beat on this defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Let me see what his schemes are, let me see
Speaker 1: where his tendencies are, so then I can start trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out. But they just never got their
Speaker 1: feet underneath them. So I said, do you mean that
Speaker 1: they are not drawing up these plays in the dirt?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Hey also as that's good man, But I
Speaker 1: think everyone was. I guess, I guess the complaint last week,
Speaker 1: well Monday morning was we didn't see the creative plays
Speaker 1: that we had been waiting for, and it was this
Speaker 1: whole mystery what is the offense gonna look like? And
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought that it was black luster.
Speaker 1: For me, when I looked at I saw the offense
Speaker 1: try to get that motion. I saw the sprint option
Speaker 1: plays as well, that that made a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: When you look at what the Rams were doing then,
Speaker 1: they just had so many different formations in comparison to
Speaker 1: what we were doing in the having personnel the majority
Speaker 1: of the time that it looked like we were not
Speaker 1: being creative. But I think the word for creative needs
Speaker 1: to be substituted with explosive. We're just looking for more
Speaker 1: explosive plays and it's gonna be all about the matchups.
Speaker 1: I would give some credence to what you said about
Speaker 1: not knowing what the defensive coordinator was gonna do last week,
Speaker 1: only too so much, right, because we knew what we
Speaker 1: were going to do and they had to beat us
Speaker 1: at what we do best. We just have to find
Speaker 1: that balance, man, finding balance in our play calling and
Speaker 1: making sure that look we stay ahead of the sticks
Speaker 1: and just look for the matchup nightmares. And I think
Speaker 1: a matchup nightmare for Atlanta it's gonna be Cedee Lamb
Speaker 1: versus Denard. I can't say his first name, but he
Speaker 1: is there. He's there, Nickel guy. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: ten interceptions since twenty eighteen. But I think that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a matchup that we could take advantage of with
Speaker 1: our rookie. Yeah, there's some weaknesses back there, and I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are going to look to try and
Speaker 1: exploit some of those, much like how the Seahawks did
Speaker 1: in Week one, and hopefully it leads to more success
Speaker 1: on the offensive side. I don't think there's any reason
Speaker 1: the panic whenever it comes to Callen Moore in the
Speaker 1: play calling. It's week one, you have such a small
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Speaker 1: Final segment here of talking Cowboys, Kyle Yeoman's heck Ma Harrison,
Speaker 1: Isaiah standback and Rob Phillips has a stat for us
Speaker 1: because I don't think this is a must win game
Speaker 1: based off of the fact that your division is still
Speaker 1: pretty weak. Whenever you talk about the Washington football team,
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles want to know, the New York Giants, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are want to know, but it's because they played
Speaker 1: the Eagles who had no offensive line. So Isaiah already
Speaker 1: said it's a must win. Rob, are you with him
Speaker 1: in that regard? And what is your stat? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: with Isaiah because it's pretty it's pretty damn close to
Speaker 1: must win based on the numbers. Based on the numbers
Speaker 1: according to USA USA Today since nineteen ninety the team
Speaker 1: since that was when the league expanded the playoff field
Speaker 1: to twelve teams, twelve point six percent of teams that
Speaker 1: have started O and two have actually rebounded to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That is not a good percentage, and that
Speaker 1: means that it's it's about as close to must win
Speaker 1: as it gets. Now. Could they rebound, sure, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to be on the wrong side of history. Guys. So, Rob,
Speaker 1: so you're saying you don't want to go to Seattle
Speaker 1: ONEN two, I definitely don't want to go to Seattle
Speaker 1: O two and neither do I. I'm not saying I
Speaker 1: want any of that, Isaiah. I mean I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: your bottle here. I mean, that's all I was saying.
Speaker 1: There was no rebuttal So what Rob said, I listen here.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have absolutely everything that they need to have
Speaker 1: a heck of a season. That first game, as bad
Speaker 1: as we failed that we played, or as we did
Speaker 1: not execute the way which we needed to correct, but
Speaker 1: we were still in a great position to steal a game.
Speaker 1: We still sort of stall that game, right, But we
Speaker 1: did it right. So we're on one all right. So
Speaker 1: on one now we have the Atlanta Falcons coming in,
Speaker 1: who are respectable on defense, right, probably more of a
Speaker 1: threat on defense than the team we just faced, right,
Speaker 1: and we didn't do too well for them. And but
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be a great opportunity for big plays
Speaker 1: because of a man coverage and because of their their
Speaker 1: their chances of blitzing and taking risks. Right. But but
Speaker 1: then you know, on the other side of the ball,
Speaker 1: you know what do we do right, What do we
Speaker 1: do in terms of stopping Julio and all these other
Speaker 1: highly acclaimed veterans. So we're gonna see, right, but if
Speaker 1: it should we fall, right, obviously we all hope they win.
Speaker 1: But should we fall, you were going into the Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 1: who were looking like muy Glliente. They have all their
Speaker 1: pieces for the most part, that they've had over past
Speaker 1: years that have made them a pretty dug on good team,
Speaker 1: and they actually have gotten better because they have probably
Speaker 1: the best safety duo in the league. And we're going
Speaker 1: into their home. Oh and two particularly, it's not what
Speaker 1: you want to do. It's just saying it's not what
Speaker 1: you want to do. So you heard the statistics of
Speaker 1: going on to your chance to come back to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And Kyle, I heard you talking about how the Washington
Speaker 1: this is not the Washington of the old. They got
Speaker 1: a heck of a defensive line over there, you got
Speaker 1: a great defensive line. I'm not necessarily sold on the
Speaker 1: rest of their team, now, that's the thing. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: but was anybody sold on the forty nine ers until
Speaker 1: about week four of last year? But there's a little different.
Speaker 1: Always a team that that Why is it that went
Speaker 1: because of Washington football team offense? And come on, man,
Speaker 1: it's not even comparable, not with probably right, but let's
Speaker 1: wait and see I just below and now that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Confidence is a heck of a tool. That's all I'm
Speaker 1: gonna saying. Let me let me say this, guys, what
Speaker 1: we did not do with seeing Happy birthday to the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's the hundredth birthday. Are fifteen guys met met in Canton.
Speaker 1: This is the reason why we're here. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to pres stay tactic is with this. Yeah he is
Speaker 1: the guys, Come on, come on, that's what question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to hear this. I said it last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said it last week. There's a real chance right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is a for sure thing,
Speaker 1: but there is a real chance that the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: start this year and three if they don't strap up tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I mean on Sunday. I'm sure there's a stat for
Speaker 1: that as well. A team that start away get to
Speaker 1: the postseason. So what is that, Rob, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: got that hand. You just pulled that one out, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure you got another SNA I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have that one in Look, twelve point six percent. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not the end, it's not zero percent, but
Speaker 1: it's not great. I could hear the stress in your
Speaker 1: voice though, when when Isaiah was talking about Seattle, you
Speaker 1: made a oh boy three Because every every week, man
Speaker 1: Isaiah puts his facts together, and that's what he does.
Speaker 1: He bogged you down with his words and the facts,
Speaker 1: and it makes you like, wait, second, guess what you had.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let him do that to me because
Speaker 1: he building the other teams up so big that you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that guys an It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: I just don't feel that way about my team. But
Speaker 1: if we're talking about a must win game, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna agree with you. Guys. We have to win. This
Speaker 1: is a must win game because the last thing we
Speaker 1: want on Monday it's for the sky to be falling,
Speaker 1: and we want to get rid of it, get rid
Speaker 1: of everybody. I'm telling you right now, Atlanta is always
Speaker 1: We're gonna have fried Bird at twelve o'clock. Oh oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. Um, by the way, are fantastic. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But it's a I would say
Speaker 1: it's an extremely important game and you you need to
Speaker 1: win it, but it's not a must win. It's not
Speaker 1: one of those if we if we start owing two,
Speaker 1: you're not making the playoffs. That's what I consider a
Speaker 1: must win. I mean, yeah, that's that's not a playoff game,
Speaker 1: exact playoff game completely, it's but it's big. It's twelve
Speaker 1: point six big now, Okay. Based off of the twelve
Speaker 1: point six, our fantastic producer in the back, Chris Beam,
Speaker 1: gave us the stat of oh and three teams two. Apparently,
Speaker 1: only six teams since nineteen eighty have actually reached the
Speaker 1: playoffs when starting oh and three. Here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys last year, if you remember, started three and
Speaker 1: oh and missed the playoffs. So wouldn't it only be
Speaker 1: right to flip that script and go oh and three
Speaker 1: and then make the playoffs. I'm just I'm trying for
Speaker 1: good carma here. That'll do. Don't do that. That's I'm
Speaker 1: looking for a good carm it count it just it
Speaker 1: just give a little bit more back into the reason
Speaker 1: why I say it is a must Winky guess the
Speaker 1: division sucks a little bit, Okay, but these guys are
Speaker 1: getting better, all right, But we're also a guy. We
Speaker 1: have to face the forty nine ers this year, the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens yea, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Arizona Carlos who
Speaker 1: looked like a dog on old school Saint Louis team
Speaker 1: with all their weapons they have. Right now, there's some
Speaker 1: games on the schedule, so we need to get off
Speaker 1: to a quick start and get these ws early so
Speaker 1: that you can account for mistakes later on. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: not a schedule, but it sure feels like one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. It'll be tough for the Cowboys, especially
Speaker 1: if they fall this week. We will give our predictions tomorrow,
Speaker 1: nine thirty. Join us. It's the final weekday edition of
Speaker 1: Week two as we lead into the weekend and hopefully
Speaker 1: the Cowboys come out with a win against the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons at noon Sunday on Fox. But that's gonna do
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