1 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, thanks for tuning in Ridiculous Historians. Today, 2 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: we have a rather cheeky episode for you, Ben, you 3 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: cheeky bastard. Well, I want to be uh, I want 4 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: to be bare faced about what we're getting into here today. 5 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: Noel her over here right, we uh. We do want 6 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: to say that we hope you enjoy the occasional dad 7 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: joke and pun that happens here on Ridiculous History, but 8 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: we do want to warn you these puns have not 9 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: been approved by our super producer, Casey Pegram. Yeah. In fact, 10 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: sometimes he'll make a face, yes, but sometimes it's a 11 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: good face. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we spend a lot 12 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: of time during recording saying stuff to make each other 13 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: laugh and then hopefully you can see it one day 14 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: friends neighbors, Nolan and I will make a joke trying 15 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: to crack the other one up, and then we'll both turn. 16 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: We can probably hear the sounds of our next whipping 17 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: around over to Casey approve of us for a nod, 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: just any kind of errant glance, Yeah, we we hinge 19 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: on it, uh, And we do so in the spirit 20 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:40,279 Speaker 1: of decorum conversations between gentlemen. This episode is about something 21 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: that's very under chorous, and I wanted to open with 22 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: a question. Don't have to answer, don't fill obligator. I 23 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: was hoping it was going to be a song. No 24 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: question in the form of a song. Give it to me. 25 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: Have you ever moons someone? No, you haven't, not that 26 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: I recall. Okay, yeah, that's that's incriminating. I mean no, 27 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't have a distinct memory of I mean yeah, okay, yeah, 28 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: I mean you know a girlfriend. Now I'm getting too personal. 29 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: That sounds weird. You know, a little cheeky flash, you know, 30 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: a little flash of the cheek, but not as an insult, right, not, 31 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: not as not to degrade someone. No, sir, I will 32 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: tell you a true story that stays just between you, Casey, 33 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: me and everyone listening to this show. Hey, we're all 34 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: friends here. I did. I did moon someone once as 35 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: an insult. In high school. Yeah, it was my junior year. 36 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: There was a a villain, a bully in my high school. 37 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: He was the year above me, and the kid was 38 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: a sack of bricks from the neck up. Not the 39 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: not the brightest crayon in the box. Oh, I thought 40 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: you meant like he was built like a brick. Ship house. 41 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: He was also a big dude, and he made life 42 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: miserable for my friends and I. And there was a 43 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: gas station that people would go to every day after 44 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: school to hang, to pick up sodas, to try to 45 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: mack on each other and whatnot. And this guy was advertising. 46 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: One day near the end of the school year, he 47 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: was advertising a house party at his place, and he 48 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: drove a jeep. He thought of yeah, an open air jeep, 49 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: and he thought it would be a great idea for 50 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: him to stripped down to his skivs, put on a 51 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: sandwich board sign advertising his house party, and walk up 52 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: and down the street between the school and the gas 53 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: station punishment. We really didn't like this guy, me and 54 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: my posse, and so while we were at the gas station, 55 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: spur the moment, terrible impulse. Don't try this at home, kids. 56 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: We took his clothes out of his jeep and then 57 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: we drove by in my car and stopped and then 58 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: mooned him and drove away waving his clothes. He ran 59 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: in his underwear to his jeep reared off, chasing after us. 60 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: And it was also the first day I mooned someone 61 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: as an insult. Was also the first day I got 62 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: involved in a car chase. The bully didn't you know, 63 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: murder anybody? He chased you a little high speed car shade. 64 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of fist shaking, but you know, 65 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: no lives were lost in this particular mooning incident. Right, Well, 66 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: we don't have to go to the rest of the 67 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: story too, but but yeah, it's just just the mooning 68 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: part is is pertinent for today's episode because you are right, 69 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: Mooning for some reason, is universally acknowledged as an insult 70 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: to someone. Right, It's not. It's not like a another 71 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: form of a wave. Right, And in today's episode, you 72 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: and I discovered a story about just how far back 73 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: the practice known as mooning goes. And maybe this is 74 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: over explaining it, but what do you think do you 75 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: think we should tell people, just in case they're hearing this, 76 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: tell people what mooning actually is. Yeah, I mean I 77 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: if they haven't figured it out by now or didn't 78 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: already know, I'm worried about them. But why don't we 79 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: do it? Mooning The act of mooning bearing your moon, 80 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: your hind quarters, your your backside, dropping trout or lifting 81 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: the kilter or skirts, etcetera. And lifting the kilter the 82 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: skirt like in Braveheart, remember that. Yeah, apparently some historical 83 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: truth to that, But it was actually flipped around the 84 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: other way. It was it was the English mooning the Scots, 85 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: because I believe in the film the Scottish forces show 86 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: their backside but then also show their front side. That's 87 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: right what they do in about face or that. It 88 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: was the double the moon and the sun. It was 89 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: very choreographed as well, So that's interesting. I didn't know 90 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: that that was the English. That's what. Yeah, apparently in 91 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: real real life. Skis um. But we're going back to 92 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: what some have dubbed the original moon. Yes, the earliest 93 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: recorded mooning. According to many sources, it goes all the 94 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: way back to the first century a d. The very 95 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: first one, the very first one. And to tell the story, 96 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: we're relying on an author named Josephus Boy Josephus man 97 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: young feesus himself. I know he's got an interesting story 98 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: all of his own, but let's um, let's start with 99 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: the initial story that Josephus has to tell us about 100 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: this historical display of ours. Yes, yes, okay. So Josephus 101 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: wrote a book called the Jewish War, and in this book, 102 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: he tells h a story of a very strange event 103 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: that occurred between the Jewish people and the occupying Roman soldiers, 104 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: so Roman forces during what's dubbed the Pox Romana, which 105 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: is kind of interesting considering that means peace of Rome. 106 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't so peaceful. There was there were outright rebels, 107 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: and there were revolts brewing in this land against these 108 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: occupying forces. And there were a lot of factors at 109 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: play because they were religious zealots who wanted to purify 110 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: the Jewish faith, and then there were ones that were 111 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: a little more amenable to their invaders, you know, and 112 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: when we're we're kind of okay with continuing with this 113 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: way of life as long as they were able to 114 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: maintain some of the tenets of their Jewish faith. So 115 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: we're seeing here in Joceva's story is a clash involving 116 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: some of those more zealous forces. Yeah. Yeah, because whenever 117 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: there is an occupying force, there is inevitably going to 118 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: be some sort of tension, and this situation was no different. 119 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: Imagine if you can living in a city wherein you 120 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: and your entire community are under the thumb, whether benevolent 121 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: or whether brutal. You're under the thumb of foreign forces, 122 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: an alien culture that doesn't hold the values you hold, 123 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't believe in the traditions that you have practiced 124 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: since time immemorial. Obviously there's going to be some tension. No, 125 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I think you did a fantastic job laying out the 126 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: differences between these groups. And we're not going to go 127 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: all the way into every nuance of this, but there's 128 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth in this conflict between 129 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: Rome and the people of Israel, ultimately resulting in the 130 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: Romans being expelled and largely massacred um. But that's almost 131 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: a whole episode unto itself. That is is pretty heavy, 132 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: full of bloodshed. We're talking about moonings today, that's right, 133 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: that's right. So the situation becomes incredibly tense during the 134 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Passover season because crowds and crowds of people are flocking 135 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:20,359 Speaker 1: to Jerusalem, and this is a powder keg. Any small 136 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: excuse could become the feather that breaks the camels back 137 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: in terms of war. And there's an excellent recount of 138 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: this in a book called the Jewish Revolts against Rome 139 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: a d. Sixty to one thirty five. A military analysis 140 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 1: by James J. Bloom. So here's the situation. The Roman prefect, 141 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: who is in charge of these occupying forces, would routinely 142 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: post soldiers a top battlements so that they could have 143 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: an unparalleled or superior view of the proceedings of the pilgrimages. 144 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: The visitor was the passover to make sure no one 145 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: was stern, any string, any mess Yeah, no domestic unrest, right, 146 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: and they was in charge at this point. Do you 147 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: remember Cestius Gallus, Yes, sir, that's the one. Yes. So 148 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: he uh, he had these soldiers looking for any sign 149 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: of agitation because, at least from the prefects perspective, no 150 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: one wanted to quote Michael Jackson, no one wanted to 151 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: be starting something. But unfortunately those plans went awry because 152 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: of a single Roman soldier. Yeah, this unnamed soldier. UM 153 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: thought it'd be real cute if he um did the 154 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: thing in question here, pulled down as his what did 155 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: he have like a skirt? Yeah, he was like one 156 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: of those battle skirts. He had something covering his took 157 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: his and he removed it. And I'm guessing no, he 158 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: was commando because you know, he was kind of a soldier. 159 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: I guess, um, where's that term coming from Ben, going commando. 160 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: Do you really think commandos didn't wear underpants? That that 161 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: that seems to be a bad idea. Seems like you'd 162 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: get swamp ass. Yeah, it seems like, especially if you're 163 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: on a commando mission, um, you would want all the 164 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: protection you can have us. So I think going commando 165 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: dates back to the Vietnam War, at least that's when 166 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: it got popular because people would say that these folks, 167 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: these commandos went without underwear to increase ventilation and reduce moisture, 168 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: so they dried out the Yeah, but it still doesn't 169 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: make sense. No, it's fine, anyway, we digress. This particular 170 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: fellow sure seems like he had easy access to his bits, 171 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: right because he didn't you know, if you don't see 172 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: it written that he you know, gingerly removed his breeches. 173 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: Now it's he like pulled up something and let it fly. Um. 174 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: And to quote the account, you want to do this, Ben, 175 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: I think I think if if you care to this, 176 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: is you sure, sorry, I'll do it. I'll do it, Um. 177 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Josephus and I realized why. I think that's funny. I 178 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: think of Bocephus, which is the nickname for I believe 179 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: Hank Williams Bocephus, so that's I can never separate this two. 180 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, Josephus describes the historical mooning as such, one 181 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: of the soldiers raising his robe, stooped in an indecent 182 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: attitude so as to turn his backside to the Jews, 183 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: and made a noise in keeping with his posture. Does 184 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: that mean he let fly at a tute? That means 185 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: he either either he actually flatellated or the version that 186 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 1: I think is for some reason much funnier is he 187 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: leads over and made the noise with his mouth. Yeah, oh, 188 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: yours is better. There's there's there's different no but I 189 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: put my hands on my face. He couldn't have done that. 190 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: He definitely couldn't because he was holding his his skirts, 191 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: skirt whatever. Yeah, and this, this did not go over well, 192 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: my friend, because these were pilgrims on a during an 193 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: uh a very high holy time. Right, yeah, it's a 194 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: holy day, it's it's a very serious, somber, thankful time. 195 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: And they're already beefed up with these Roman jerks, you know, 196 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: who are just hanging around when they're skirts Boston people 197 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: around spears. Well, yeah, Honestly, it's tremendously offensive to deride 198 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: somebody's religion at any point, but especially when they're in 199 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: the middle of one of the most important celebrations they have. 200 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to picture this too. Can you picture this scene? Like? What? 201 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: How is this guy able to make himself such a 202 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: such a display because he was on that battle, he 203 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: was on raised ground. But the other thing that's weird 204 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: about this is that we know very little about his 205 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: motivation other than that he was, as Josepha says, contemptuous. 206 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: You know. So was it some thing where he had 207 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: had some strong wine and had one of those hold 208 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: my beer moments he had drained his wine skin, yes, 209 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: you know, up on the up on the battlements in 210 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: the hot sun. Or was he really just a sober, 211 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: bad tempered person. Yeah, because Ben, I mean, it's pretty 212 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: clear from the history here that neither side cared much 213 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: for the other. Right, Well, why would you if you 214 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: were if you were a Jerusalem native, why would you 215 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: be buddy buddy with these people? There was some weird 216 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: side switching though, um and our boy Josephus was one 217 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: of these defectors. He he initially was actually put in 218 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: command of a force of rebels on the Jewish side 219 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: and then hop sides over to the Roman side, and 220 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: he ended up becoming the historian that told these accounts. 221 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: And he is considered by many historians to be particularly 222 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: manipulative and untrustworth. So he's kind of an unreliable narrator here, 223 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: but it's all we've got, and it's now a primary 224 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: source because he was there. But he also may well 225 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: have been a a bit of a self aggrandizing liar, right, Yeah, 226 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. So his his lifetime, he was 227 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: born in thirty seven C or thirty seven eight D 228 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: see for common era a d for after the death 229 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ dominant yes, nail on the head nal. 230 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: And he died around one hundred c E. And so 231 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: when we go to this record of this earliest recorded mooning, 232 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: it's him writing about this event far after the fact. 233 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: But he was definitely involved in the political and military 234 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: conflicts of the time. He was, you know, as as 235 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: you said, the head of Jewish forces in Galilee until 236 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: he surrendered in sixties seven to Roman forces, and then 237 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: he decided to stay on. He had been a slave, 238 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: he had been an interpreter, very fascinating life. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 239 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: we have to take it with a grain assault when 240 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: we hear the stories as told primarily by Josephus. Is 241 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: he writing too sort of polish his own image. Is 242 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: he factually reporting and if so, to what degree he 243 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: is held up in the Jewish community. It seems as 244 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: being at least an important chronicler of some of these battles, 245 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: because he was there. But even in this article I 246 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: found from a beautifully named website called the Juniverse. Um, 247 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: they describe him as a famously self aggrandizing ancient historian. Um. 248 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: But he wrote such works as the Jewish War, which 249 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: is what this account is, from Jewish Antiquities and against Apion. Yeah, 250 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: that's a two volume defense of Judaism as classical region 251 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: and philosophy. Is very well written, prolific man. Yes, And 252 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: speaking of that, and I actually found a translation of 253 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: the incident, we will call it that. I much prefer 254 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: this is just the wording is which one is this? 255 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: It's just it's in this article in the Juniverse, and 256 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: it's just it's the same. It's obviously the same text 257 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: as what we read a minute ago. I just think 258 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: this particular translation is way more fun um this. This 259 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: one describes the soldier as that he pulled back his 260 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: garment and cowering down after an indecent manner, turned his 261 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: breach to the Jews and spake such words as you 262 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: might expect upon such a posture. I love the idea 263 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: of that he spake. Yes. Now this makes us think 264 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: whether there is a difference in translation. Was he making 265 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: a farting noise with his mouth? Was he saying something 266 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: offensive like, you know, uh, snarf my butt? People? I 267 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: don't know, Ben, Never did I think those words would 268 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: let fly from those luxurious lips of yours. Thank you, 269 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: thank you. It's called a cupid's bow that's up like so, 270 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: so I don't we don't think they said SNAr if 271 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: we're speculating there. But despite the fact that many people 272 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: nowadays love a good bit of crass but oriented humor, 273 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: there's a time and a place for it. And that 274 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: was true in this instance, because the crowd did not 275 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: react well to this. No one was like, look at that, 276 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: but yeah there, yeah, you know, I I started going 277 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: down that path earlier. I think we got distracted with 278 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: more but related uh lore. But yeah, no, this did 279 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: not go, well, this did not go well. Um. And 280 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: also that that commander we were talking about, Gallus, he 281 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: was kind of considered, um, a bit of a dunder 282 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: head or like a bit of kind of an overreacting 283 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: adult when it came to being a military superior. And 284 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: there have been a lot of incidents leading up to 285 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: this that were already causing a lot of divisive feelings 286 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: between the US and their occupiers. I believe there was 287 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: some destruction of some sacred scrolls and just just in 288 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: general bad behavior on the part of these occupying forces 289 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: toward the religion of the natives. Yeah. So you can 290 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: read an excellent article about this from History net uh 291 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: The Great Siege of Jerusalem by Ralph Peters, which details 292 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: some of the context leading up to this. And we 293 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: have to establish that because it's easy to look at 294 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: this single incident in a vacuum and say, sure, mooning 295 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: someone may be impolite, but it's not a cause for 296 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: citywide pandemonium. So this was something that was happening in 297 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: addition to many profoundly offensive and disrespectful things burning sacred scrolls, 298 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: that's a huge one. But also there were recent crises 299 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: that had occurred in Afghanistan at the time. And they 300 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 1: also strong armed to the temple priest into making a 301 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: massive payment to Rome, So they were stealing from the 302 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: people as well. That's right. Was that the Pharisees, they 303 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: were all these different classes, and I believe that Josephus 304 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: was initially part of the Pharisees, and they were a 305 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: sect of priests. Um. That gets sort of a bad 306 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: rap because of their place in the Bible and their 307 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: interactions with Jesus and the idea of the Pharisees and 308 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: the money changers and all that of being the sign 309 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: of greed and hypocrisy. Um. But they were largely responsible 310 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: for preserving some of the important religious texts of this faith. 311 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of interesting stuff in the in 312 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: the history of of of the Jewish people, really really 313 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: fascinating stuff. I mean, they were a kingdom, you know, 314 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Judea, and like the Maccabees, and you know, 315 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: they were always able to fight off their occupiers and 316 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: they were constantly being jackt with, right. Yeah. Rome was 317 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: one in a series. Yeah, I mean, initially there was 318 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: the Persian conquest and there was the Hellenistic period with 319 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: Alexander the great, and there was even this sense of 320 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of Jews, parts of 321 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: sects of the society wanted to become Hellenized, where they 322 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: wanted to become more Greek and kind of abandon the 323 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: old ways. So there's always the struggle between um religious 324 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Zeala's people that want to like keep the faith pure 325 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: and you know, more fair weather Jews that I think 326 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: want to be more assimilated into their invading culture. Right, 327 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: assimilation is the word, and the threat of assimilation looms large, right, 328 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: and not just in this situation, but in situations throughout history. 329 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: And so it is within this rich and dangerous cultural 330 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: soil that this seed of discord, this active mooning by 331 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: an unidentified Roman soldier of mooning, sprouts and spreads because 332 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: not only do the people not like it, not only 333 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: does no one go, but stuff, no, the people riot. 334 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they they they asked out that. Okay, 335 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: I think that's fine, I think it's it's appropriate. But no, 336 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean they're you know, this assembled crowd of thousands, 337 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean upwards of over thirty thousand, because that is 338 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: the number reported that we're killed by Josephus. Yeah, he 339 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: says that the riot occurs, and all told, when the 340 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: dust settles, thirty thousand people Jewish hand Rooman lost their lives. 341 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: And part of this, this is a little bit maybe 342 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: outside of the documented facts here, but part of this 343 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: we can assume would be due to Gallus is incredibly 344 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: belligerent and bellicose nature and just utter skittishness, because he 345 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: called in the troops big time, overcorrected, and then gave 346 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: the order to you know, fire Adam boys sticking with 347 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: spears right right, an over response. He sent in Roman 348 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: soldiers not just to quell the riot or call them 349 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: the people, but to punish and injure them, and that 350 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: is what sprouted the seat. Now we we don't have 351 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: any information of what that unknown Roman soldier was doing 352 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: as he was on the battlement watching this riot occur. 353 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: Did he go down to attack some of these innocent men, 354 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: women and children. Did he just stay up there thinking 355 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: that he had discovered one of the world's most amazing 356 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: and dangerous insults, the Adam bomb of rude physical gestures, 357 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: the Adam bum. There we go. So we don't know 358 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: what happened to him, but we do know that this 359 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: is the earliest recorded mooning. So if you have ever 360 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: been mooned, or if you like, your bullying, probably broke 361 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: his mind. He probably drove him mad man, you know, okay, okay, lastly, 362 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: I'll say about that doll. It was a car of us. 363 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: Were you doing pheasant underglass? What's what's that? Are you 364 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: pressing your bare butts against the window? I mean one 365 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: guy definitely was one of the guys in the back. 366 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: That's pheasant underglass. I had no idea that is such 367 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: a classyness, such a class so I guess, so I 368 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: guess so peasant under glass. Well, that's an advanced moon 369 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: that's like the next level mooning. So whether you have 370 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: moon someone who been mooned before, we hope that this 371 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: episode helps you be aware that you are either the 372 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: victim of or the practitioner of an ancient form of derision. 373 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: But then I want to talk about more historical mooning. 374 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: So glad you do know off air, we were looking 375 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: into some really unusual and fascinating ones. What are you out? 376 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: What you got? Ben? I really appreciate you letting me 377 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: go first. You know how much how much I love 378 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: this topic. We both found and have been really enjoying 379 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: a fantastic article on slate dot com the very classy 380 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: name mooning, a history by Forrest wickman Um mentioned briefly earlier, 381 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: the whole brave heart sun and moon gesture thing was 382 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: actually flipped the other way around. It was the English 383 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: taunting the Scottish with their their butts. Um. I think 384 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: this article was a good way to start here is 385 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: just let's talk about let's get back to the the 386 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: coinage of the term mooning, because you see, Ben, while 387 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: this act was ancient, it didn't really get a proper 388 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: name until the nineteen sixties, when the Oxford English Dictionary 389 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: got an entry for the word that attributed it to 390 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: student slang of the sixties, because it became a really 391 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: popular thing to do in university in America specific And 392 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: that's that's important because I believe that the description the 393 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: use of the word moon as a euphemism for but 394 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: or buttocks dates back to the seventeen hundreds or the 395 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: eighteenth century. But the reason I think it's interesting that 396 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: it's traced to American or US student slang is because 397 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: American English is notorious for the practice of turning every 398 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: single word into a verb. You and I have done 399 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: it on multiple shows. Yeah, like squatching, Yeah, examsode, Yeah, exactly. 400 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: So it's it's nice to know that that linguistic tradition 401 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: precedes us. But I am so fascinated by the fact 402 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: that this this act has been described multiple times in literature, 403 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: in fiction and nonfiction, and they didn't come up with 404 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: a convenient term for it for centuries, for heck, for millennia. 405 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: We know that, we know that during the Fourth Crusade 406 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: and twelve oh three, Western Europeans were attempting to take Constantinople, 407 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: but they failed and they sailed away and defeat. And 408 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: as they were sailing away, the Byzantine forces who did 409 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: at them hollered at them and quote showed their bare 410 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: buttocks in derision to the fleeing foe. Derision. You say, yeah, 411 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: because this act, you're essentially like sexually harassing someone from afar. 412 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: And then I guess, I guess it is somewhat counterintuitive 413 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: because in the animal world often when other mammals show 414 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 1: their posterior to a creature, it's an active submission, right, 415 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, come, come get you some of this. 416 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, so now it's it's clearly it insult of course, 417 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: where would we be if we not mentioned one of 418 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: the most well known retellings or depictions of mooning in 419 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: the English language, And that is, of course the Miller's 420 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: tale from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, old saucy chausey and 421 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: there's Baldi. Baldi Canterbury Tales chose the sauce, that's him. 422 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: So in the frame story of the Canterbury Tales, a 423 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: group of people who are traveling decided to travel together 424 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: and to pass the time in their travels, they tell 425 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: each other's stories. There these people are described often by 426 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: like their occupations. So there's a partner, for instance, who 427 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: carries relics and charges people to get close to these 428 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: religious artifacts. And then there is the miller, who is 429 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: in a wild plot twist the miller. But we have 430 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: a very saucy tale from the miller himself. We're not 431 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: going to read the whole thing, but there are some 432 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: parts that we think you will find. Choice, Ben, can 433 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: we do the back and forth for one of us 434 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: as the old Englishman and the other is the translator? 435 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: For sure? Which one do you want to do? Um? 436 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: Can I be the translator? I feel like you have 437 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: a little more expertise when it comes to this work. 438 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: I believe he studied it in school. I did, but 439 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: my pronunciation is going to be terrible. God. I wish 440 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, the quister was here and his uh Renaissance 441 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: fair regalia he would lean into this hard to tell 442 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: you what he might be here. We never know. Channel, So, 443 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: just so we don't have to read the whole thing, 444 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: can you give us a little quick and dirty of 445 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: how we get to the part that we're about to start? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 446 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: So the miller's tale is this story about a carpenter 447 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: and his wife and these two students or clerks that 448 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: are trying to get her into bed. The carpenter is 449 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: a guy named John and he lives Knox for his 450 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: wife is a lot younger than him, and she is 451 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: known as a the local hottie. Right. Isn't this like 452 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: a cuckolding story kind of, isn't there? Yeah? Yeah? And uh, 453 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: what we'll do without going into the without going into 454 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: the entire set up to the story, will read you 455 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: the juicy bit wherein a character named Absalon attempts to 456 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: pursue this wife romantically, and there's some climbing up a 457 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: ladder into a window. Kind of action going on here, 458 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: So let us begin lemon thy grace and sweet bird then, 459 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: or sweetheart your favor, and sweet bird your kindness. The 460 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: window she untooth, and that in haste she unlatched the window. 461 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: Quickly have do quote, she come all, then speed thee fast, 462 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: go ahead, she said, come on and do it quickly. 463 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: Let's that our neighbors the spy. In case our neighbors 464 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: see us. This Absalon gun wipe his mouth full dry. 465 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: This Absalon began to wipe his mouth dry. Dirk was 466 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: the nightest pitch or as the cool The night was dark, 467 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, like picture coal. And at the window, out 468 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: she puts her whole, And out the window she put 469 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: her whole. We're a family show, okay, okay, okay, And 470 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: Absalon him feel no better new wars. This park confuses me. 471 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: And as for Absalom, it happened no better nor worse. 472 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: But with his mouth he kissed her naked rs. So 473 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: body they teached this in school, man, this is We're 474 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: still a family show. Um translation. If he couldn't use 475 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: your imagination there but with his mouth, but with his 476 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: mouth he kissed her naked arts full savory are He 477 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: was war of this most enjoyable before he realized what 478 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,959 Speaker 1: he was kissing. Back his start and thought it was 479 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: a mess. Back he started and thought something was raw. 480 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: Here we go for well he whist a woman hath 481 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: no bird? For he well knew women have no beards. 482 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm applauding for Chaucer and also for Ben Boland. 483 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: And you're fantastic Old English brugue. What do you call 484 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: that was good? That wasn't even old English? It whatever? Whatever, 485 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: Brown ladies and gentlemen, and you're two kinds. Let's hear 486 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: it for super producer Casey Peggy. Yeah, we're making this alive. 487 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: Can we also hear it for a regular contributor, Laurel Dove. 488 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: She didn't really contribute anything to this episode, but I 489 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: just don't want to hear it just like that sound. 490 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: It's delight. And while we're thanking everyone, let's give it up, 491 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors, for Alex Williams, who composed our track, 492 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 1: and for our research associate Christopher Hasiotis, who spoiler alert, 493 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: may end up on this show and who spoiler alert 494 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: and needs a sound effect. Yeah, yeah, Casey, we defer 495 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: to you give me later. We'll just you know, put 496 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: it on the back burner. We'll work you know what 497 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: right to us and let us know what you think 498 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: is what do you think when you're here? Has I 499 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: think about the infamous club, the hacienda owned by the 500 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: guy that you know discovered joy Division and New Order 501 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I remember, have you seen the 502 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: movie twenty four Party people? Oh? Yeah, that's great that 503 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: come out? It was like the yeah, yeah oh. And 504 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: most importantly, give it up for yourself, Ken, if you 505 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: want to pat yourself on the back, give yourself a handshake, 506 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: don't be weirded out if people are looking at you. 507 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: You are self affirming. Play rock paper scissors with yourself. 508 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: See see what happened? Tell us who wins. Please. In 509 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: the meantime, we hope that you enjoyed our exploration of 510 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: the history of mooning at least of a fraction as 511 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: much as we have clearly enjoyed diving into it. I'm 512 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: just tipsy with delight, and so our our journey ends 513 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,239 Speaker 1: for today. That's the end of our episode, but not 514 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: our show. Tune in again very soon for more ridiculous 515 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: history and last, but certainly not least, and we promise 516 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: not bare but related. We're going on tour. If you 517 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: happen to be in Philadelphia, I would like a little 518 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: bit of historical what would you call it? A historical 519 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: entertainment Shenanigan. Yeah, we bring the pain, the historical pain. 520 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: That sounds not not fun, you know what I mean? Yeah, 521 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: I bring the fun, the fun pain. It's and we're 522 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna bring our butts, yes, which which will remain squarely 523 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: covered with Yeah, that is the ridiculous history guarantee of quality. 524 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: We will have our pants on the whole time. But yes, 525 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: the rumors are true. You can find us on towards 526 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: July first in Philadelphia along with our long time pals 527 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: and founders of mental Philosophy, Mango and Will. It's true. 528 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: They are the host of part Time Genius. Won't you 529 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: join us if you happen to be in town. You 530 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: can find ticket information at Phillypodfest dot com. Um They 531 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: are on sale right now and it's at four o'clock 532 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: on Sunday, July one at the Trocadero Theater. So come 533 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: get ridiculous with us in a in a live setting,