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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: Star in friscol Say, and now your hosts Isaiah stand Back,

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Speaker 1: heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeomans. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's really only been a week and a half. However,

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's been forever because I haven't gotten

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Speaker 1: to talk to my buddies here on Talking Cowboys, presented

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Speaker 1: by Geico, heck Ma Harrison, Isaiah stand Back, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's. We are back after a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a break. It was a three day weekend, so

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Speaker 1: we had our weekend and MLK Day and honored him

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Speaker 1: back into reality on Tuesday. And now it's Wednesday. It's

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday edition here of Talking Cowboys this offseason. So

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Speaker 1: glad you're with us year on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: And guys, it's like I said about how it feels

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Speaker 1: like it's been forever. It's not only because I missed you, guys,

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Speaker 1: but it's also because storylines have come out like crazy

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Speaker 1: ever since we last recorded. Last time we recorded, we

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Speaker 1: going to be. And now it is, of course, Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 1: He has been hired as the defensive coordinator. We've got

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Speaker 1: coaches interviewing with the Philadelphia Eagles, And I said coaches.

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Speaker 1: Multiple coaches have interviewed with the Philadelphia Eagles, and we've

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Speaker 1: got a ton of NFL. I mean, Drew Brees may

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a ton of storylines to go through.

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Speaker 1: But which one sticks out to you the most? Well,

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Speaker 1: my favorite storyline is we had all this time off

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Speaker 1: you squeeze in a vacation. Well, hey, Rob, did you

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Speaker 1: get an invite? Did you get an invite? Rap? I

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Speaker 1: did not? Did you? Isa? Heck heck did you? I

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Speaker 1: definitely didn't. I wasn't in on that one. I'll give

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Speaker 1: him this. He kept working, he did the draft show.

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Speaker 1: But he also but he also had a subtle flex

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Speaker 1: you know. He yes, Kyle, did you call ahead and

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Speaker 1: Draft Show. No, it was funny though, because we walked

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's gonna have to be my

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Speaker 1: I heard that Twins of Jalen Smith, he said, Loui

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Speaker 1: a clay building, No, bro, it was the four Seasons.

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Speaker 1: Don't lie us. It was not the four Seasons. I

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Speaker 1: guaranteed that one. Uh yeah, no, it was a It

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Speaker 1: I could just imagine Heckma trying to ski. I just

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Speaker 1: well Rob other storylines up my propty vacation. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: got we gotta start with dan Quinn, right, uh. We

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Speaker 1: We're gonna play at four three, the cover three scheme

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Speaker 1: You know you got to look at your your personnel,

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Speaker 1: not only in your players, but also in your coaches,

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Speaker 1: your assistant coaches. Do you have the right guys in place. Um,

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Speaker 1: are there going to be any changes there? Um? And

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Speaker 1: then obviously you got turned to the draft, you know,

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Speaker 1: you got turned to the draft and say, hey, what

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Speaker 1: the heck are we gonna do there? Um? Do we

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Speaker 1: you know what position do we have the greatest need of? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a lot, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that have to happen. But you know, overall, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty excited about about this guy. And I obviously I

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Speaker 1: know him a lot more that I know some of

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Speaker 1: the other candidates out there. But I think I think

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Speaker 1: that he bowls well for this this cultureless team right now.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest worries that I have about his

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Speaker 1: scheme and Jalen Smith is exactly what Heckma said earlier

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Speaker 1: is covering tight ends and get going back in the coverage.

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Speaker 1: Because if you look at a cover three scheme, the

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Speaker 1: where's the weakness, It's on the hash mark. It's right

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Speaker 1: up the hash mark. Yeah. But wait when kJ, when

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Speaker 1: kJ came in, he kJ couldn't cover, couldn't cover with

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Speaker 1: a blanket. I'll just tell you he couldn't. He couldn't

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Speaker 1: put a blanket on a baby. No, for sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure. But you know, but but he ever to

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Speaker 1: get better. Though he can get better. He could be coached.

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Speaker 1: He could be coached rand get his current state. I agree,

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Speaker 1: trust me, y'all know I agree. However, when you have

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Speaker 1: athletic ability, which I don't think anybody discounts that Jalen does. Right,

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Speaker 1: we realize that he's not as a guy as we

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Speaker 1: thought he was change of direction or exactly. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: I know that the strength conditioning coach, right who's now

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Speaker 1: in place, Um, I know he focuses on that a

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Speaker 1: lot because I had him in New England. So that

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Speaker 1: will be that will be better than it was. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully they're in person for training. But also

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously some better coaching. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of tips and tricks that are that are

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Speaker 1: that are passed along from generation and generation in this league.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: he can learn from. So maybe they bring in a

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Speaker 1: veteran guy that can play alongside him, who knows, We'll see,

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Speaker 1: no matter what we do, no matter what we do

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Speaker 1: in the draft, our free agency, we have to get

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Speaker 1: guys absolutely come off the porch ready to play like

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Speaker 1: this is what you do no more project guys. We

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Speaker 1: gotta get it. You can't, We cannot miss Will McClay

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Speaker 1: and staff. They gotta have to get this right with

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Speaker 1: guys that can implement, get in right now and play.

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Speaker 1: And with everything that's happening with the draft and what

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Speaker 1: came down from the letter from the NFL about the

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Speaker 1: combine and all of that, it's gonna be a tougher

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Speaker 1: job to you know, evaluate look at these guys. But

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Speaker 1: what that's gonna force guys to do is go back

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Speaker 1: to the old way of just you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: put it on film. Film cannot you cannot go into

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Speaker 1: the combine left two twenty five thirty five times like

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Speaker 1: Isaiah did it get drafted? Oh Man and heck my

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Speaker 1: alluded to it. There was news about the combine. There

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Speaker 1: was also news that Philadelphia was going to interview Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore and John Fossil. We're gonna take a break when

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Speaker 1: we come back, could be a couple more coaching changes.

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Speaker 1: How could that affect this current roster? And then also

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Speaker 1: how will combine affect the off season program for the

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Speaker 1: like this wouldn't be a segment to do that when

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Speaker 1: He did allude to it a couple moments ago about

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Speaker 1: the changes to the Combine and Rob, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know you, you talked about this yesterday in our group chat,

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Speaker 1: but the Combine is not going to be the Combine

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Speaker 1: this year. No meeting at Indianapolis, no in person workouts

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Speaker 1: or at least for a centralized location. All the workouts

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Speaker 1: are going to have to be done virtually or at

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Speaker 1: the different college campuses, and then the meetings are all virtual,

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Speaker 1: much like they were for the thirty day visits. Last year,

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Speaker 1: and then all of the in person medical examinations are limited.

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Speaker 1: So there's only a couple medical examinations in which will

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Speaker 1: be limited. And yeah, Isaiah already knows that that's the

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Speaker 1: most important part of the combine because that's why really

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Speaker 1: you do it, to gather that information on these prospects.

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Speaker 1: But Rob, how is this specifically going to affect the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and the way that they go out and look

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Speaker 1: for personnel. I don't know that it affects the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: any different than anybody else. There's part of me that

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Speaker 1: feels like the whole draft process. I'm not overrating it,

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Speaker 1: but I think that we put so much on the

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Speaker 1: combine and being in person at those workouts, and I

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Speaker 1: think it matters. I think, you know, if all of

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Speaker 1: us have had job interviews, and I think it matters

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Speaker 1: to have that in person element to it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: they did some of those interviews, some of those top

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Speaker 1: then in the spring, so they have some familiarity with that.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think the medical checks are

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Speaker 1: But I don't know how much the interviews really factored

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Speaker 1: that much. I guess they're not going to be in

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Speaker 1: person to see the workouts, so there's that. But to me,

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Speaker 1: it's not just going forward, it's also the past few months,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the scouts have been affected on

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Speaker 1: what they've been able to do in terms of getting

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Speaker 1: out on the road and seeing guys. It's just all

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Speaker 1: thirty two teams are dealing with it, and I think

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys at least their stability in the front office

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Speaker 1: with Will McClay and their scouting department, the personnel guys,

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Speaker 1: they know what they're looking for, and even with Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn coming in a defensive coordinator, there's some scheme familiarity.

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Speaker 1: Like we talked about, they know what they're looking for.

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Speaker 1: I think that benefits them instead of a new front

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Speaker 1: are like that. Yeah, there is a familiarity. And even

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Speaker 1: last year, whenever there was kind of the turnover from

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Speaker 1: a coaching staff, it was still a good enough draft

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Speaker 1: to where you felt good about it afterwards, and even

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Speaker 1: after their rookie season, you can say that guys like

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Speaker 1: those are four guys by themselves that made significant impacts.

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Speaker 1: But Isaiah, whenever you look at kind of the medical

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Speaker 1: evaluations in the meetings, how much do those play a

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Speaker 1: factor into maybe where you might end up via the draft? Huge? Huge.

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Speaker 1: The in person meetings are awesome because you get to

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Speaker 1: that's awesome, right, They get that, they get a true

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Speaker 1: understanding of who you are. I never forget my interview

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Speaker 1: He said, yes he is. So that I mean that

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Speaker 1: that that could be done virtually. The part that sucks

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Speaker 1: out the draft with with with that, with my Liz

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Speaker 1: Frank injury. UM. The same year, Adrian Peterson was coming

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Speaker 1: They call your name out and all the teams who

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Speaker 1: come out there and there's literally like five six doctors

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Speaker 1: on you. They're all pulling on you, testing on whatever

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Speaker 1: that information and and and they're checking you out just

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Speaker 1: because you are an investment to them. So the fact

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Speaker 1: that they can't do that this year is huge because

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Speaker 1: that gives them the understanding and the in the confidence

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Speaker 1: that you're either going to be okay coming off of

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Speaker 1: an injury that that may have bothered you and been

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Speaker 1: So I think that's that's gonna hurt some teams, but

641
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: also it's gonna benefit some players for Canadas. Now, guys

642
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: get some opportunities that they probably wouldn't have got had

643
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: they had their hands on them. Do you feel like

644
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: maybe with the current situation of this that the connections

645
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: that are made by this front office are ultimately going

646
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: to pay dividends because if they're not going to have

647
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: these in person medical exams, you're gonna have to have connections, right,

648
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have that networking and the friendships

649
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: outside of your own organization and to these schools. We've

650
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: known in the past that Will McClay and his entire

651
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: staff really leans toward these bigger schools like the Alabamas

652
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: and the Ohio States. For some of their players. Maybe

653
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: those connections are gonna pay dividends for them. Heckma yeah.

654
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean the coaching fraternity is a very big fraternity,

655
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: and these these scouts they talk amongst each other all

656
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: the time, so they're not gonna miss on guys at all.

657
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that that what like Isaiah

658
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: was saying, and I think that Indianapolis has is the

659
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: hospital right there has state of the art equipment. UM,

660
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: and maybe that's one of those things that's going to

661
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: be missing. But I really think that guys are going

662
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: to earn their keep this year. You're gonna find out

663
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: the good scouting departments from the bad ones by the

664
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: guys that's not being able to go and pick out

665
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: cherry pick the players that are putting up those numbers.

666
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: And so look, I think when I think about the Star,

667
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: there's a there's a part of the Star where they

668
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: show gil Brandt's notes on players. I mean these are

669
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: handwritten notes and so it's been done before, you know what,

670
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: guys that had all the technology and the laser timing

671
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: and all of that. So I look, I look for

672
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: the ones that are true too, and to actually earn

673
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: the keeping. It's gonna be a lot of made of

674
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: evaluation looking at tape and how about the guys that

675
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: are that opted out that you have to go back

676
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: two years to look at that tape. So there's a

677
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: lot of things to be considered, and you know, how

678
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: much weight is it going to be on playing this

679
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: year versus last year? But also just making sure that

680
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: all of your notes and communicating on guys and the

681
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: one thing that this front office and coaching staff and

682
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: scouting department that connected in that way, well, these guys

683
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: are meeting with each other and finding out the type

684
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: of players that they want to bring in. So we

685
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: talk about culture, who are those guys? And I believe

686
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: that that's the part that we really should lean heavily

687
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: on because we're building that culture and coach Mike McCarthy

688
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: knows the kind of guys that he wants here. I

689
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: like that. I think that's a ton of the worries.

690
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a ton of what we need to

691
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: look at for the Cowboys. And also, like we kind

692
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: of talked about it in the first segment, continuity is

693
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: going to play a big factor in the way that

694
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: you're going to be successful here. But are we speaking

695
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: too soon in terms of what that continuity may be.

696
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: And I say that because we've had a couple of

697
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: coaches this past week that have been rumored to have

698
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: done interviews with the Philadelphia Eagles. We'll start with Kellen

699
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: Moore here, Rob, I mean, what have you heard latest

700
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: on Kellen Moore? I heard that he took the interview,

701
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: but ultimately it was for the head coaching position. What

702
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: else have you heard about our offensive coordinator who a

703
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago we thought might have gone to

704
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: the college ranks. Now he's getting a head coaching interview

705
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: at the same division. Kellen Moore is hot. He's sibling

706
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: right now? Man? Uh yeah, Boise State? Now now Philly.

707
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Who haven't they interviewed at this point? I think that's

708
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: got an interview for their defensive coordinator job. Just saying

709
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, uh yeah. Though it's a it's a wide net.

710
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: As we've seen online, They've they've they've been linked to

711
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: over a dozen names. Probably haven't heard anything other than

712
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: the fact that yes, he was scheduled to interview yesterday

713
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: for their opening and it honestly, it makes sense. It

714
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: makes sense given not not knowing what you know not

715
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: having ties to Philly's organization. It makes sense on the

716
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: outside of Okay, if you've got to fix Carson Wentz,

717
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: given the financial commitment you made to him, even if

718
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: you're even if you're not going to commit to Carson Wentz,

719
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: you've got Jalen Hurts, who's a young quarterback with a

720
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: lot of talent um. Bringing in a top offensive mind,

721
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: a young offensive mind, which Doug Peterson has been that

722
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: as well, makes a lot of sense. And Kellen Moore

723
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: is not the only offensive guy that's been linked to

724
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: the job. But I would see why they would want

725
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: to at least pick his brain and see where he's at.

726
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ultimately the direction they're gonna go.

727
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: I'd kind of you know, there are other names that

728
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: have been linked stronger to that job, but it's a

729
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: it's a pattern in their interview process that makes a

730
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: lot of sense. The other name is John Fossil. I

731
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: don't know if he's actually taken the interview yet or

732
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: even been offered an interview, but the report was from

733
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: NBC Sports and they said interested in interviewing Cowboys special

734
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: teams coordinator John Fossil. Isaiah, I know we actually kind

735
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: of grew to really enjoy John Fossil throughout the latter

736
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: parts of the season. At the beginning, it was definitely

737
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: wishy washy. But the way the job that he did

738
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: this year, I think couldn't be understated. Yeah, I mean,

739
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: I like the fact he came in aggressive and you know,

740
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: he is who he is, and I again, i'm energy guys,

741
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: so he he brought that energy. I think that you know,

742
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: as a special teams coordinator, your your job is a

743
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: really pushed the envelope to make sure that you have

744
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: the personnel, make sure that you guys understand the schemes,

745
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: and then obviously push your coach to take risks. And

746
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: I think he did that. Um, I just don't think

747
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: that he expected a coach to say yes to as

748
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: many things as he pushed on. But I mean, I mean,

749
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: what you what you asked them, especial teams coordinator, I

750
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: think he did. I really think he came in and

751
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: did a good job. I just I just think that, uh,

752
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, coach, coach McCarthy definitely should have should have

753
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: pushed puncher, pushed the brakes a couple of times on him.

754
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: But the fact that and it's kind of interesting that

755
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: he's being asked to He's being asked to go somewhere else.

756
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of that's kind of odd to me,

757
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: really really odd. But I don't know who knows which

758
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: one would be a bigger loss for the Cowboys, Kellen

759
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: Moore or John Fossil tell them more, Yeah, I think so, okay, yeah,

760
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: kell him more. Yeah. But you know, Kyle, I just

761
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: wanted to say, nothing surprises me about the Eagles and

762
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: them wanted to bring and Kelly Moore and this spying

763
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: on us than doing uh. But you know, when you

764
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: look around the NFL and the guys that have been hired,

765
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: you see a league that is going younger. You see

766
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: they everybody's trying to find that new boy, Jenius, the McVeigh,

767
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: the Shanahans of the world, and they know that that's

768
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, that's where the league is going. They're getting

769
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: rid of a lot of that old blood and the

770
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: coaching coaching ranks. But you know, it wouldn't surprise me

771
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: if in the next couple of years that Kelly Moore

772
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: landed himself at a head coaching job based off of

773
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: the numbers that he's putting up here. But when you

774
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: talk about Bones, Fossil also a great coach hardball and

775
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore started off as a special teams coach. So there's

776
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: history there of coaches special teams coaches being hired as

777
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: head coaching as head coaches in this league. So you know,

778
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: look for the Cowboys right now. You say, you talk

779
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: about losing Kelly Moore and also you know the DAKH perspective,

780
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, that would be huge for us to find

781
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: that replacement who can bring in those same verbiage. Then

782
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: I think kept death familiarity in the offensive scheme intact

783
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: this year with Kelln Moore. So it's interesting. And you know,

784
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: I think Kellen has critics. I think everybody wants everybody

785
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: says on their couch and said I would have called

786
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: this play. You know, that's that's that's part of being

787
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: a fan, you know, And so he has his critics,

788
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of it's hecks right. Like

789
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: he's a young coach. I think he's on the uprise.

790
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna get better, kind of like we talked about Dak.

791
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: You know, negotiations with Dak started a year and a

792
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: half ago whatever, And you know you're you're gonna be

793
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: paying Dak for what you think he can develop into.

794
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you know. It's the same

795
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: deal with Kellen as a play caller and eventually he Yeah,

796
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: I agree, I think he's gonna be a head coach.

797
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: Don't forget Sean Payton. Before he came to the Cowboys

798
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: in OH three, he was with the Giants and he

799
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: had his play calling duty stripped with the Giants, you know,

800
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: and so as a as a very young coach, and

801
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: I think he's probably I think he's gonna head to

802
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame one day. So, uh, you know,

803
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: coach coaches can get better too. And I think I

804
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: think Kellen will got two things for you, Kyle. I

805
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: think we have a new D line coach. I think

806
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: that saw that come across. Yes, But also does I

807
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: know we posed this question whenever it came up about

808
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: Boise State, does Killamore leave? Can you turn down You

809
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: can turn down a college job, but can you turn

810
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: down the hay coaching job for Philly? No, there's there's

811
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: only thirty two of those jobs. You gotta do what

812
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: you gotta do, right Yep. I agree. I'll just making

813
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: sure y'all. I mean you could. You could Jason Garrett.

814
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: The rumors that Jason Garrett had an opportunity in Baltimore

815
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: and when he was the OC here and and waited

816
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: and stayed so but yeah, I agree, it's it's hard

817
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: to turn down a very rare opportunity. Yeah, you just don't.

818
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Rob tell us about this new defensive line coach. His

819
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: name is Aiden Dirt. I hope I'm pronouncing his last

820
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: name right. He we talked about familiarity. Second assistant coach

821
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: to join Dan Quinn on the defensive side of the

822
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: ball from Atlanta. He's a young coach um. He worked

823
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: with the line Packers I believe in Atlanta and former

824
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: He's English, he's a former NFL Europe player, So he's

825
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: a young coach taking over that position. Don't forget dan Quinn.

826
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: He is schooled in coaching D line, so I would

827
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: imagine he might be pretty hands on as well as

828
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: being the DC to help with that position. But also

829
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Joe Witt, who interviewed for the DC job, is also

830
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: expected to come aboard in an untitled role, probably to

831
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: help in the secondary obviously. I think that's interesting because

832
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: we talked about Joe Witt last week as one of

833
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: the names that was potentially going to be the coordinator,

834
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: and you not only get Dan Quinn, but you get

835
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: Joe Witt to come along as well. I think that's

836
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: kind of a win win from coach McCarthy, don't you think, Acma, No,

837
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: I do. I mean he's bringing over a lot of

838
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: his guys and you kind of expected and the rumors

839
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: were that Wit and Quinn are kind of conjoined, that

840
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: they hip as far as a hire. So it doesn't

841
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: surprise me that these guys are coming on. Leet it

842
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: be and you know, coordinators are you know, passing game,

843
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: coordinate all of the those things that the guys are

844
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: positions that consecating. But it's important that these guys figure

845
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: out a way to get this defense playing again. Defensive

846
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: line coach from NFL Europe, he has his work cut

847
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: out for him because they're changing schemes and he's gonna

848
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: have a bunch of guys that he's gonna have to

849
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: coach up. And like you said, Rob Quinn is probably

850
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: because of his roots as a defensive line coach, is

851
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: going to be really hands on there. So interesting. Hire

852
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853
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855
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: but when we come back, we're gonna talk about what

856
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can potentially learn from the four teams that

857
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: are still left in the NFL playoffs. I think there's

858
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: a ton of lessons to be learned from each one

859
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: of those four organizations, and we're gonna see how the

860
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,640
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907
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Speaker 1: Four teams left in the NFL playoffs. We've got the

908
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. To no surprise, we've got the Buffalo Bills.

909
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: Those are that's your AFC Championship game. In the NFC

910
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Championship game. It's still twenty fourteen, apparently because it's the

911
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Packers led by Aaron Rodgers, and it's Tom Brady h now,

912
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: not with the Patriots and not in the AFC, but

913
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: he's in the NFC with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And

914
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: what surprise that has been. And really kudos to everybody

915
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: around that that organization of putting a good roster together

916
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: and allowing Tom Brady to be successful. The former teammate

917
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: of Isaiah Stanback. That's probably gonna be on his Hall

918
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: of Fame bust I think, Isaiah, you're right, former teammate

919
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: of Isaiah Stanback. It definitely didn't make that list. Definitely

920
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: didn't make that list. Now, whenever he comes to these

921
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: four teams, I mean, it's it's really four different blueprints

922
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: on how to win and how to get to where

923
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: they are at this very moment now. I think probably

924
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: the most similar blueprints are most likely the NFC or

925
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: excuse me, the af Championship game with Buffalo and with

926
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: Kansas City. They were built similarly, but in just that

927
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: different time periods. But whenever you look at these four teams,

928
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: what is something that the Cowboys can take from them?

929
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: And how to learn how to get back to an

930
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: NFC in a conference championship game. Well, I mean, man,

931
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: this whole playoff series to me has been separating the

932
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: guys with pea shooter arms from the guys that have

933
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: bazooka arms. And the final four is all bazookas. And

934
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Speaker 1: if you want to have any success in the NFL,

935
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: and this NFL with spread out and has past all

936
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: these passing yards that they're putting up, you're gonna have

937
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: to have a guy with the arm that can facilitate

938
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: all of that. And you see that with these top

939
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: four teams and just the numbers that they've put up

940
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: this year. I mean going back to the matchup with

941
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, Boy, that is a showcase

942
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: of two of the mostly league quarterbacks to do it.

943
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm really excited about. But Josh Allen

944
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: is doing a phenomenal job in Buffalo and they won

945
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: that game against Baltimore, and it was just a hard

946
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: game to watch, especially with Lamar Jackson not being able

947
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: to stretch the field. And that's something that's a young

948
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: quarterback and I'm pulling for him, but it doesn't matter

949
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: if he can have the MVPs, all of those things, man,

950
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: but if you cannot stretch the field, teams are just

951
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: going to load up on you, especially in a winner

952
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: take all kind of a situation. But talking about the

953
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, and I think it was their defense

954
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: that really impressed me, and just the Honey Badger and

955
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: his ability to turn that run back in right, and

956
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: it just shows you what you can do when you

957
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: have a safety that can play like that at the

958
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And it was just masterful what Spagnola

959
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: did and that those last couple of defensive play callings

960
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: play calls was just a picasso. Man. They did a

961
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: really good job. And so I'm looking forward to that

962
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: game as well. So the Cowboys could learn by getting

963
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: their a one quarterback and also getting a safety that

964
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: can turn the run. Rob, Yeah, I'm totally with you. Heck,

965
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: I've marked down defense and get yourself a franchise quarterback.

966
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: And that's why the Cowboys are trying are trying to

967
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: resign Dak Prescott long term, because that's what it takes.

968
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: I went back and I looked at like the last

969
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: ten seasons, Okay, the final four in the championship game.

970
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: So that's forty slots according to my math, my terrible math,

971
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: and twenty five of those spots over the last ten

972
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: years have gone to just a handful of quarterbacks. It's Mahomes,

973
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: it's Brady, it's Russ, It's been Roethlisberger, It's Rogers, Peyton Manning,

974
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, Eli Manning, and I threw Matt Ryan in

975
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: there too, who's been been an MVP and been to

976
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. And mixed in there those other fifteen spots,

977
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: you might have guys that sneak in a Folds or

978
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: a Kirk Cousins or you know Tannehill last year, but

979
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: like that's rare Garoppolo. It's not. If you want to

980
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: get there, you're in, you're out. You better have a

981
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: really good quarterback. And for those that say, oh, draft

982
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: one in the top five, look at the NFC East,

983
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: look at Daniel Jones. The jury is still out on

984
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. It's Carson Wentz, Mitch Trubisky who lost in

985
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: the in the first round this year, all really high

986
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: draft picks. There is no guarantee. There's just no guarantee

987
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: that it's gonna work out for you. So if you

988
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: think you've got a really good one who's gonna be

989
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: potentially a great one, Keep him, keep him around, figure

990
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, yeah, Isaiah. Two things stick out to me.

991
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: I think I think about the character of the coaches.

992
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: I think about the character to coaches in and how

993
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: the fact that they have not only on their team

994
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: and their players, but also the second one is culture, right,

995
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: And I use that word a lot, but it's important.

996
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: It's important. I mean, you guys, think about green Bank.

997
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: Green Bay use their first round pick on another quarterback.

998
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: They use it on his freaking replacement. They didn't give

999
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: him any additional help in their regard and look where

1000
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: they're still at. That's you're right, that's amazing. Yeah, look

1001
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: where they're still at. Right, So they could have easily

1002
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: gave him another you know, a CD Lamb or something

1003
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: like that, right to help him out, but they didn't.

1004
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: They didn't because they know that at the route they're

1005
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: still good. They know that the route. They have a

1006
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: great coach. They know at the route they have a

1007
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: great quarterback who is gonna lead this team. And the

1008
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: culture of their team is to go out there and

1009
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: take young players and veteran players, put them on the

1010
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: field together, and everybody's gonna do their job effectively to

1011
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: put them in a position to go after the Super

1012
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: Bowl every year. Right, you go to Kansas City, Andy Reid,

1013
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is Andy Reid, Right, he is who he is.

1014
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna If you're gonna play for Andy Reid, guess what,

1015
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna be tough, Right, You're gonna be You're gonna

1016
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: be an energetic, You're gonna be a team player. Nobody

1017
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: cares about your personal accolades. We all care about what

1018
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: we can do for the team. What's your contribution to

1019
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: this team. That's his culture out there. You go to Buffalo, right,

1020
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: go out the Buffalo, new coach, right, new coach out there, right,

1021
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: and he's out there doing making things happen, making things happen.

1022
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: And you know they're they're building their culture out there.

1023
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: You could tell it's tough, it's gritty, is grind it

1024
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: out right. When people come through us, they're gonna they're

1025
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna feel it no matter what happens. Right, young quarterback

1026
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: that's growing and developing. Right. And then and then obviously

1027
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: and then you look at Tampa Bay, Well, we know

1028
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: what that's about. Bruce arians is no nonsense, right, straight,

1029
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: no chaser, and this is what you get. We are

1030
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: a tough team. They have a solid defense that desn't

1031
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: gives them. Did get enough credit. They're about to get

1032
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: tougher with my boyfriend Vita Vea coming back you dub

1033
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: coming on a d line. So their their defense is tough.

1034
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: And then what they go out there and get the

1035
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: goat at quarterback who everybody wants to play with. Why

1036
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: because of the culture that he establishes on that side

1037
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: of the ball. They know. These teams know who they are.

1038
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: They have identities. They're not soul searching trying to figure

1039
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: out who they are. That's what this that's what the

1040
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys need to pay attention to and try to try

1041
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: to pick up from these playoffs. Well, how far are

1042
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: they from that? Because I feel like it's light years.

1043
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean at least after this season, right, I mean,

1044
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy can get to that point. We've seen that already.

1045
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: He can get to the point as a head coach

1046
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: to where he has that kind of control and that

1047
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: kind of swagger I guess underneath him. And you have

1048
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback in Dak Prescott that you have to

1049
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: lock up contract wise, but surely that's something that's a

1050
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: priority for this Cowboys team this offseason. But outside of that,

1051
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: there really hasn't been that identity. There hasn't been that swagger.

1052
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: There hasn't been the kind of mindset that by everyone's

1053
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: going to do their jobs. It's more of a this

1054
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: is going to be a harsh word, but it's coddling.

1055
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: It's it's what it feels like. It feels like you

1056
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: coddle a lot of these players until they finally show

1057
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: some things. Sadovan Wilson. Look at Donovan Wilson specifically. I mean,

1058
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: I love that word. But you caught on Donovan Wilson

1059
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: for a year and a half and then all of

1060
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a sudden he's the best player on your defense the

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00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: final six games of the year. That's that's all I'm saying.

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00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one example. There are plenty of those.

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00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: But Isaiah, how do you get past that point to

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00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: where it's now it's a it's it's expected to him

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00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: in and do your job, whether you're yeah, your trade

1066
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: bar it's not expected yet here. But how do you

1067
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: get to that? You know what I wish we had

1068
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: behind the veil in terms of had a little bit

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00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: closer look to the to their what their coaching staff

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00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: does and practice and all those things. This year obviously

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00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: COVID threw a curveball on that. However, um, from what

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00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: we can see, From what we can see, I believe

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00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: that coach McCarthy was a little bit too complacent. He

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00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: did not establish, uh, establish his will, establish his culture here.

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00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be a lot more hands on.

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00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: Does that mean him calling plays? I don't know. Right

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00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get the opportunity because he might have Alvin's

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00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: coordinator here. But I think that he needs to enforce

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00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: his will more because those teams that we talked about,

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00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: those coaches are in the background. You know they're they're

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00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: not just in the background. You know they do their job.

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00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: Bruce arians does his job right. He doesn't have to

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00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: say he will. He's something. He does speak up a

1084
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: little bit too much sometime. But but that but you

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00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: you feel that, you feel that that that energy that

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00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: he puts off, right, that that vibe, that greediness you

1087
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: feel that with his team. Did you got to see

1088
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: his center? His center is a jerk. I love it, right, man,

1089
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: I feel like that's him reincardinated on the field, right,

1090
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: and then you look at you look at Buffalo their coach,

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00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: gritty gritty, right, Andy Reid. Guess what he is calling

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00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: those plays, no question about it, right, And you got

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00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: a Green Bay. But La Fleur or whatever his name is,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I say. He's out there calling

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00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: plays too. So I guess all those coaches have a

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00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: direct impact on the results of what happens on the field.

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00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: And I think that McCarthy came in and try to

1098
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: give his coaches too much power, and I think he

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00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: needs to really step into a lot more prominent role

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00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: this year. Rob. No, No, that's that's that's interesting. And

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, you know, and I think you know,

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Speaker 1: COVID was weird in terms of trying to I don't know,

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00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: established culture, because you gotta stay apart, you gotta do

1104
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: all these things with a mask and all that. I think.

1105
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: I do think it was a weird year to try

1106
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: to do that. But I agree. I think you've got

1107
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: to put your stamp on what you want to do.

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00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: And defensively, they've got to do that too. They got

1109
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: to they got to kind of start over and figure

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00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: out how they want to approach that. So the other

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00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: thing I would add to piggyback on what Heck said.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at these scores in the divisional round,

1113
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: and this season was all about offense, right, Well, defense

1114
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: still matters a little bit. The teams that lost over

1115
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: the weekend. Baltimore had three points, Cleveland had forty eight

1116
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: in the first round seventeen against Kansas City, Tampa Bay

1117
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: beating New Orleans had twenty, and the Rams had eighteen.

1118
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, the Cowboys get healthy, they can

1119
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: put up a lot of points, but if they don't

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00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: get their defense fixed, they could make the playoffs. But

1121
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: to keep playing into late January, your defense still matters. Yep.

1122
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: You could talk about coddling these guys, swaddling these guys,

1123
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: whatever you want to, but they're just the signs of

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: why this season was a failure statistically and just in

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00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: every way. You look at the injuries on the offensive line,

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00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: there aren't any other teams that had was decimated to

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00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: that our team was with, you know, retiring players, both

1128
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: of your tackles going down, losing your all pro right guard,

1129
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: all of those things that happened, and oh yeah, losing

1130
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: your stark quarterback and so I think we live in

1131
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: the world where we think that we could just plug

1132
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: and play guys and still get the same results, and

1133
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: that's not that way. I think, you know, the Cowboys

1134
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: defensive Dan Quinn could come in and do his job,

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00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: and these guys can get some stops. You were in

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00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: games that you could have won, or if you were

1137
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: able to get some type of turnover or a stop.

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00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: That was the problem. Even when we turned the ball over.

1139
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: Teams were getting points off of our turnovers. And that's

1140
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: not a guarantee thing. It's just because our defense couldn't

1141
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: stop anyone. And once Dak went out and we had

1142
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: our offensive problems and Bend the Nucci was doing the

1143
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: Uncle Rico and all of that, man we had, it

1144
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: was just gonna be what it was gonna be. And

1145
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: so we shouldn't be surprised that we're here. But just

1146
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: going on the positive note, building this defense getting the

1147
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: kind of plays in the culture that Isaiah keeps going

1148
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: back too. I think it's important and what is that culture,

1149
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: dog culture, goon culture. Guys, it's gonna come in and Okay,

1150
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: football the way that it's supposed to be played, not

1151
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of guys just want to be soft body.

1152
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: You know, let's just know what we're gonna do and

1153
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: so get to that championship level. If you're looking at

1154
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: the teams that are up there and you want to

1155
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: immolate and mimic what they do, look at the personnel

1156
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: that they play with. Hey, it's not Friday, but I

1157
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: feel you. Heck, say, what's your chest? It's the seasons season.

1158
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: We can still say it with our chest season. I

1159
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: love miss you guys, man, you know, and and heck,

1160
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: you made a great point in the fact that excuses

1161
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: are I mean, injuries are in excuses to a certain extent.

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00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, but with the extent of what happened with

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00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this season, look at what happened in the

1164
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: AFC Divisional round with Kansas City. You lose your guy.

1165
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we would all agree that Kansas City is

1166
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: built maybe three times better than the Dallas Cowboys on

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00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: both sides of the football, even if you take Patrick

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00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: Mahomes out of the equation. That's exactly what happened. They

1169
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: took Patrick Mahomes out of the equation and all of

1170
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, Cleveland goes on a run. And if they

1171
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: had one more possession, probably would have won that game.

1172
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: Ultimately they would they out of defense, Yeah, exactly, they

1173
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: ran out of time. Cleveland still would have won that

1174
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: game solely based on the fact that Patrick Mahomes was

1175
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: taken out of the equation, even though Cleveland was not

1176
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: nearly as good of a team as Kansas City. But

1177
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: that just shows the importance of having that leader, of

1178
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: having that franchise quarterback, and having somebody that you can

1179
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: rely on. And of course the Cowboys didn't have that

1180
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: for the final twelve weeks of the season because of

1181
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: what happened to Dak Prescott. So that's gonna happen. That's

1182
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: always going to change the outlook of your football program

1183
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: and your football team. But I mean, at the same time,

1184
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: you can't make those excuses every year. If the same

1185
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: thing happens in twenty twenty one, you have to be

1186
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: able to combat that. Right if you lose your left tackle,

1187
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: you're right tackle, your quarterback, you gotta be You've got

1188
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: to be better prepared, Like right now, Kansas City is

1189
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: not prepared to go into the Yeah, I was thinking

1190
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: that too. This is yeah, that happened, So you got

1191
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: people wanted to move the AMC Championship game the next

1192
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: Wednesday to give him a chance to play. So, I mean,

1193
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: the personnel is important. When you have those guys that

1194
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: get it done for you and have the entire season,

1195
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: we cannot underscore their importance to your squad. It's just

1196
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: it is what it is, man, yep, I mean, and

1197
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: it's something that the Cowboys are gonna have to figure

1198
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: out this offseason. It's something that that they've got to

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01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: get done. I think Dak Prescott and when next week,

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Speaker 1: when we're back on Monday at eleven thirty Central time,

1201
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Dak Prescott. What is the timeline

1202
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: for Dak? And how worried and when shouldn't you be

1203
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: worried this offseason? How does this negotiation go and some

1204
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: of the important dates along for the off season program

1205
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: for this Dallas Cowboys team. But that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us. You're all Talking Cowboys presented by Geico. For

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Speaker 1: Chris Bean, back at the Star, for Isaiah stand Back,

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Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips and for heck My Harrison. I'm oh,

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