WEBVTT - McLaren - Gate Gate Gate Gate Gate 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.160 Okay, ready to go. Uh gimmick is up here? Have 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.200 we have many gimmicks today? So to kick us off, 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.240 I have another one of my beloved coasters. This is 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.640 uh Danil Ricardo is on this in his McLaren gear. 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.319 Lily handed me a paster of Daniel Riccardo in the 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:22.160 quote beneath his characature drawing is sometimes you gotta lick 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.000 the stamp and send it. Sometimes you just got to 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.759 lick the stamp and send it. A lot of the 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.280 time you get one chance to try. So I made 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.400 the most of every opportunity. Man. From what I can 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.600 tell about him, likable guy, very across is likable guy. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.760 And we will get to the ballad of Danil Ricardo 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:45.560 very soon. From I Heart Radio and Sports Illustrated Studios, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:59.840 this is choosing sides. Yes one Wow. So first and foremost, 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:05.560 we're talking about a team that is historic, It is revered, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.479 it is storied. It is the second winning ist team 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.880 on the grid end of all time in F one. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.759 That is a ton of races, second only two Ferrari 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.400 and they have had a rough go of it as 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:22.280 of late. The team we are talking about today, which 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:28.319 is America's kind of informal team is McLaren McLaren. So 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.920 who is McLaren. I've heard this name all the time, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.920 and even as an American, I feel familiar somewhat with 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.280 the brand, but I really don't know a whole lot. Yeah, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:42.000 so McLaren is definitely one of the more historic teams 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.960 on the grid. It's one of only three that's been 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.320 around for decades that has kept the same name over time. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:54.600 The other two are and the other Williams. Yes. So, 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:00.840 McLaren was founded by a New Zealand racing driver named 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:05.480 Bruce McLaren in nineteen sixty three. He won four Grands 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.880 Prix and got twenty seven podiums during his time and racing. 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.760 Uh it's great, except that he died in a test 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.680 driving accident in nineteen seventy at the age of thirty two. Yeah, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:24.240 so that sucks. Ended obviously a very storied career tragically 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:29.000 and abruptly, But they kept the McLaren name alive. McLaren 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.720 really had its initial heyday starting in the late seventies 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.880 into the early two thousand's. It was known for really 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.880 having a lot of innovative engineering, playing around a lot 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.760 with like weights of cars and aerodynamics and kind of 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.080 trying things out and obviously after a certain point that 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.040 attracts some of the best drivers. They're also home to 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.480 some of the greatest rivalries on the grid. In the 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.960 late eighties early nineties, for instance, they were two drivers, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:57.320 a Land Prost and Ayrton Senna. They both won several 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.320 World championships. Yeah, same team. I think everyone knows pressed 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.959 by now. He's always complaining that he's never his fault. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.600 If I find him again in the same way they 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.239 push him out, that's for sure. The way he's doing, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.880 he's behaving like a coward. They're kind of the quintessential 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.360 example of rivalry within a team and how that can 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.440 almost tear the team apart. Right. Yrton Senna died back 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.240 in a very tragic accident that was very public during 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.200 a race weekend, and it's it's very much an accident 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.239 that you can see online which is very grim and morbid. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.880 But yeah, it was very public. A driver had already 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.600 died that weekend. It's all just very sad. He was 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.040 actually carrying the driver's like country flag in his car 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.400 to wave it after the race. Like it's just all 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.160 really depressing. That doesn't happen in golf. Yeah, so so 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.760 basically McLaren historic team, not a nail unfit in the 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.640 McLaren garage r and success today meant that they finished 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:56.480 the Constructors Championship. I really can't find any words absolutely right. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.360 They were the number one team for a while. They 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.280 were number one team and Lewis Hamilton's won his first 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.000 World Championship two thousand eight in a McLaren, so he 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.440 was really a McLaren guy. That's why it was so 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.600 shocking when he left. Lewis Hamilton's is set to leave McLaren. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.320 The two thousand and eight F one World champion will 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.760 race the Mercedes. The team took a real nose dive 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.000 starting in the early tens. They didn't really nail the 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.800 new regulations in two thousand nine, They had really ineffective leadership, 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.760 a lot of drama between team co owners behind the 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.520 scenes kerfuffles if you will. They had mechanical problems, they 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.920 had if the drivers at times, and had some other 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.760 kind of inner team drama that all kind of led 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:40.960 to a real slump knoween around this time where it 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.960 just was really not looking good for them. That the 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:47.120 long time McLaren fans were really not feeling great, really tough. Yeah, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.400 quite embarrassing really to be floating round at the back. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:52.960 Before we get to the present day and kind of 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.160 their their upswing, We're going to talk about one of 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:03.560 the great F one scandals, and of course you know 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:09.400 it's serious. It's called Spygate. It must have a gate. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:10.880 At the end of I was gonna say the gate 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.800 comes in Spygate. We're gonna go back to Ferrari for 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.680 a second. So Ferrari at this point is in a 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.560 championship battle with McLaren. McLaren has two different drivers, the 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.560 rivals Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso, in the hunt for 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:29.920 that same title. So they have a at Ferrari a 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:35.599 higher up employee named Nigel Stepney. He starts publicly and 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.040 privately complaining about being unhappy with the team. He doesn't 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.440 like them. He's kind of over it with Ferrari. All 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:46.720 of a sudden, one day, Uh, Ferrari alleges that this guy, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:52.640 Nigel Stepney, gave almost eight hundred pages of confidential Ferrari 0:05:52.800 --> 0:06:00.000 information to a McLaren senior engineer named Mike Coglin. Oh, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.719 Nigel and Mike, what are you doing. So that's already 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.240 like Nigel and Mike doing a lot. But here's where 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.719 it gets very funny of how they discovered this at Ferrari. 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.040 So here's what we know, is that or the belief 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:18.080 is that Nigel gives these pages to Mike Coglin, Mike 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.919 Coglan's wife, just like a random other lady takes the 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.520 seven hundred and eighty pages to like a printer store, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.960 remember those back in two seven, to a printer store 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.719 to have them photo copied. And the person, the employee 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.000 who works at the printer store who's helping with this 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.160 is a Ferrari fan who realizes that they are helping 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:48.720 print confidential Ferrari information called Yes, the Folcy came through 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.040 so hard in this story, and so then the to 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.560 Folcy person goes to Ferrari's like, hey, whistle blowing the 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.560 ship out of this. Someone came into my store and like, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:03.839 it's printing out documents. So obviously that's crazy, it's fucking nuts. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.560 It's part of my French the f bomb was necessary, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.240 just like the wildest, weirdest coincidence to have a Ferrari 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.560 fan running the printer shop that day. What does it 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.520 say about me that I blame the wife. You know, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.800 it's like, of all the places, you're gonna pick that place. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.440 But maybe I mean, where do you go? Where do 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.440 you copy eight? You can't copy it at home? I 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.640 bet you this happened all the time that we don't 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.200 know about. I wouldn't be surprised. There's a lot of 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.480 as we know, teams will be very hush hush, but 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.440 every team is not hush hush about every other team. Correct. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.840 That's how we know driver salary estimations is not from 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.240 the teams. But everyone loves to gossip in the F 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.960 one paddock. So Coglin from McLaren and Stepane from Ferrari 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.280 are very quickly dismissed as soon as this all comes 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.840 to light, you know, the f i A is the 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.800 governing body, is immediately like, well, we gotta do something 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.440 about this. We gotta have hearings, because we know briercrats 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.760 left nothing more than a hearing. It gets them going 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.560 in the morning. And they're big question mark is did 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.680 McLaren have access to these documents, you know and mass 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.040 and did they use the information they got from them 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.000 to get an advantage in the sport. So initially they 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:12.760 say we have not at any stage used any intellectual 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.200 property of any other team. Oh no, this guy Coglin 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.120 acted alone, as did stepped me. It's very contained. No 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.560 one at McLaren saw these documents. I don't believe that 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.280 we'll get into all of that right after the break. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.040 Let me do a quick recap just so I understand. Recap. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.319 Lewis Hamilton and Fernando both race for McLaren. Yes, at 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.880 this point McLaren is in a tight race with Ferrari 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:41.640 for the titles. For the titles, Nigel Ferrari secretly gave 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:47.360 Mike McLaren eight hundred pages. Mike McLaren's wife photo copied 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:52.000 it at the local kink Kinkos that the Ferrari fan 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.480 works at the Kinkos, and turned him in. Okay, so 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:56.880 I got that right, Thank you did. You did a 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.000 great job explain that to me. And I would also 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.520 think this is not the first time this has happened. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.360 And I would also think they did use this information, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.240 and I would also think more people were involved. But 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.680 that's just me. Here we go, Okay, here's what's also 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.200 going on. So the backdrop of this whole thing is 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.360 Lewis Hamilton's and Fernando Alonso they're really duking it out 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.000 for this title, absolutely hate each other, and basically Louis 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.599 does something that could have been seen as like borderline 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.200 not kosher, and Fernando gets angry at it and sort 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.600 of tries to sabotage the race because he's so piste 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:31.960 not getting on with it. On a minute forty to go? 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.000 Is he flocking Hamilton? That was a little bit of 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.679 nualtyall think. And then the fa basically says, McLaren, you 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.480 gotta get your ship together. Your drivers are like putting 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.840 putting the sport at risk and making us look bad. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.920 This is a couple of weeks after the initial photo 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.080 copy whistle blowing incident in the f AI hearing. But 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:53.880 what comes out of this whole issue is so basically 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.720 Fernando Alonso being piste off in a petty person, goes 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.200 to the f i A and he he's like, hey, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.680 me and the reserve driver at McLaren, This dude, Pedro 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.800 de LaRosa have emails that prove that McLaren know about 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.160 these documents, have read them and have like used them 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.120 to our advantage, snitching on his own team. Stitching on 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.360 his own team because he's pissed about how he feels 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.360 like they're treating him versus Lewis Hamilton's and so, yeah, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.480 this is your employer, sign your million dollar check. Yeah. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.800 So so then of course the head han show at 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.520 McLaren at the time, Ron Dennis is saying that, you know, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.920 Alonzo is just trying to blackmail them because he's pissy 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.400 and but hurt, etcetera, etcetera. But of course the f 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.719 A look into this, they claim that they get substantial 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.160 evidence that this is in fact the case, and they 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.320 hand down a one hundred million dollar fine McLaren unprecedented 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.080 in the history of Formula one, if not just sports history, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.439 hundred million dollars. And don't left points from two thousand 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.360 and sevens championship withdrawing them from next year's championship as well, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.600 which makes it even more draconian. You had different team 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.319 members and personnel coming out with all sorts of statements. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:11.239 I'm absolutely appalled. I'm disgusted. There is a great possibility 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.719 of it wiping McLaren off my Formula one map altogether, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.920 true madness. So here's the funny thing where I love 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.640 like the ethics of F one are very inconsistent. Is 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.079 you would think they would say, oh, if we're just 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.599 qualifying and giving this huge fine, we'll just qualify the 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.960 drivers too. But no. Good news for Lewis Hamilton for 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.640 his teammate Fernando Alonso in the McLaren team are that 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.360 they won't be punished, their points won't be taken away 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.560 the f A as official reasoning as they say, well, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.040 you know, the drivers are really honest with us and 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.480 we appreciate their honesty in actuality. They were locked in 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.600 a very compelling championship battle with this third guy at 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.200 the other team implicated in this whole situation, and they 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.160 didn't want to suddenly have two to three drivers go 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.959 poof in the night. So so the team is in trouble, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.440 but not the individual. That's interesting and it's very It 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.080 adds to the complexity of Formula one and that there 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.000 is also this engineering component that's so that that's there's 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.559 there's also a race for the engineering exactly. Yeah. So, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.439 as I said, this is two thousand seven, McLaren a 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.040 couple of years later starts to have a little bit 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.520 of a slide down the rankings. Yeah, this is gonna 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.320 be a lot of drama. Is gonna hurt you? Yeah, 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:17.640 this seems like a lot of drama. Like I said, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.959 they had leadership problems, they had some driver issues, they 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.679 had mechanical problems. Just everything was not adding up for them. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.440 It was poorly managed. There was money problems. The list 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.640 goes on and on. However, they made a couple of 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.880 big changes towards the end of this downturn one a 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.679 lot of the original you know owners who are causing issues, 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.880 like Ron Dennis. They end up leaving, but not without again, 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.600 lots of drama. A guy named Zach Brown ends up 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.079 coming in and he's an American, he's the California dude bro. Yeah, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.600 And and they make some other big changes to their leadership, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:54.599 and basically by they end up in third place in 0:12:54.640 --> 0:13:02.320 the championship. And then this past year they were in 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.840 third but ended up in fourth. So they went from 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.800 kind of being in in you know, bottom of the 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.520 grid to being kind of in that best of the 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.679 rest category where them in Ferrari were sort of you know, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.520 duking it out for that that unofficial informal title, which 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.480 is exciting in terms of leadership. Yeah, they have this 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.800 guy Zach Brown. I'll show you photos of Zach Brown, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.040 so uh not to be mistaken with Zach Brown band 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.160 No spelled slightly differently, but Zach Brown is from California, 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.080 was born and I think Los Angeles, so here is 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:40.280 Zach Brown. Zach Brown doesn't doesn't really fit the same 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.440 kind of mold as the rest of these guys. Zach 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:48.240 Brown looks American silver foxy probably, you know, how do 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.560 I say this kindly? He's not as fit as the 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:55.160 other team principles Uh interesting. He actually used to also 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.040 be a racing driver, not enough one or anything like that, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.199 but he's he's very knowledgeable at cars. He as his 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.720 own giant car collection. Not as alpha male ish looking. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.839 Yeah you know you look at it red Bull and 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.960 they're pretty tough on their drivers publicly, That's not my approach. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.679 It's more of a we're in this together. What can 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.520 I give you or do for you? Good time? Guy? 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.840 Arry gets very enthusiastic and we'll shout in woo a 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:27.720 lot when when they win or do well. Zach is 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.640 so ingrained into that McLaren racing team you're hearing from 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.960 Popular f one TikTok or Josh Marsh that like people 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.080 like all the time are like what is that? Like, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:38.920 what is his role? Like? Is he team boss? It? 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.720 Like what is He's like, Oh No, he's just the CEO. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.120 He's just always there. I love that a CEO is 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.160 around all the time, Like he's there on the pit wall, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.280 he's there with the engineers, he's like with the drivers. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.760 Um So that like kind of camaraderie and like that 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.920 dedication the team. I I love to see because just 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.960 as a team, the things that they do as a 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:02.040 team is so like so different. Yeah. So, Zach Brown 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.880 actually had a really fun bet going with Daniel Ricardo 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.320 at the start of Daniel's first season where he said, hey, Daniel, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.560 you're new to McLaren. If you get a podium, I 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:17.400 will let you drive one of Dale Earnhart's cars. Because 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.720 he knows that Daniel Ricardo is the biggest Dale Earnhart fan. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.360 He decided to race under the number three because of 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.920 Dale Earnhart. He loves NASCAR, and sure enough, when Daniel 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.840 Ricardo won Manza, he got to drive that car at 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:42.000 the U S Grand Prix no less. And then similarly, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.840 when when when Daniel want to race last year one, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.920 Zach Brown and him had another bet going, and Zach 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.160 got a tattoo of the Manza circuit on his arm 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.560 with the date of the win. And of course they 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.080 brought every with cameras there. It was all over social media. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.760 But he's the kind of guy who will do kind 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.080 of funny stuff like that that's kind of absurd, and 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.800 he holds up his end of the bargain. So and 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:08.560 as a player, if your coach leader is doing that stuff, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.240 you love that exactly. The other thing too that McLaren 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.680 did really well kind of as they were building up 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.120 is around the time they were really having trouble is 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.080 when that company, Liberty Media bought f one from our 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.280 our our old friend Bernie from way back. When McLaren 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.680 around the same time decided, hey, we're going to kind 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.400 of do almost like a brand refresh. I think I 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.680 enjoyed watching that shift of watching McLaren go from like 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.520 a yes, we are all business and no fun to 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:39.400 like a lighthearted team very like more fun, more enjoyable. Um. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.600 And then I saw McLaren was one of the first 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.280 teams to do a lot more on the social media 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.720 side of things, you know, with like TikTok with YouTube videos, 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.920 funny little things like hey, we're gonna you know, we're 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.800 gonna play songs for you and you're gonna guess what 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.080 the song is. Just basic stuff that kind of gave 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.520 fans more of this inside look at the team to 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.520 make them feel like they were part of it online 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:04.760 on our Hi, I'm Daniel mcconder, which I'm sure the 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.520 athletes hated, but fans love exactly. And now it's it's 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.240 more part of the course. You know, coming in f one, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:11.679 you're gonna have to do that. That was not the 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.200 case even you know, five, six, seven years ago. This 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.239 was all brand new. But McLaren also, for instance, has 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.800 a very popular race weekend recap series called Unboxed where 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.480 their their media team just goes around filming things. There's 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.480 no narration over, it's just filming what goes on over 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:32.199 a race weekend. The Senna Monuments where he had his 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:38.560 fatal accident May one, and I remember it like it 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.639 was yesterday. There's an unbelievably sad and fans immediately, you know, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.720 loved it. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I'd like to check 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.040 that out. It feels like you're not just a fan 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.160 of McLaren, like you're part of the McLaren family and 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.399 like that's pretty sick, like that they can make you 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.600 feel like that. So this all coincided to with the 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.400 launch of that show Drive to Survive on Netflix, which 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:02.159 started airing in McLaren had already started building up this 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.120 really strong social media presence, this digital presence and Drive 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:09.320 to Survive was aimed at a lot of North American fans, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:14.320 particularly Americans. So despite the fact that Bruce McLaren is 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.840 from Note New Zealand, them claren team is based in 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:21.240 the UK, it's become the the unofficial American team on 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.280 the grid. I think some people have like adopted almost 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:29.840 Zach Brown as the unofficial American mascot. And now obviously 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.000 we want to talk about the drivers, but before we 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.520 do that, we are going to take a quick ad break. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.359 We're back from the ad break. I want to hear 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.280 about the McLaren drivers. So they have two of who 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.800 I would argue are the most marketable drivers on the 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.080 entire grid. That is, they have Lando Norris and they 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.040 have Daniel Ricardo. Lando and Daniel are fun and that 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.600 they are so different from each other, both in terms 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.679 of personality and in terms of where they are in 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.960 their careers, and then also where they are in terms 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.840 of McLaren the team. So we'll start with Lando. Lando 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:08.880 is twenty two and as Ferrari is a big Charles 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.760 Laclard team, and as Red Bull is a giant Max 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.879 verstaff and team McLaren is a giant Lando Norris team. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.720 So Lando, yeah, is from the UK. He's British. His 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.560 family does have wealth. His dad is worth two hundred 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.760 and thirty million pounds at last calculation, and for some 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.399 reason this is available on the internet that at one 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.080 point his dad was the five dred and first richest 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.080 person in England. We've talked about some drivers who you 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.040 other families had a really struggle to make ends meet 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.200 and have them race and even krding. This is not 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.720 necessarily the case for Lando. I would say the Norris 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.879 family seems very fun though, like his parents seemed relatively normal, 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.720 like they they aren't like like whereas Max's dad. We 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.480 all the stuff to say, they're kind of in the background. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.960 They randomly show up to races. In a very cute 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.680 moment after Lando one podium, he got a podium at Monico. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.800 There's a clip of him in a McLaren unboxed video 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.480 of him talking to his mom while he's holding his 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:11.639 trophy and he's like, yeah, you were right. Yea. His 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:19.240 teammates are kind of making fun of him. They're going like, mummy, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.720 so he's at he's he's a kid, he's a mom's boy. 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.560 Uh So Lando, Yeah, grew up racing against a lot 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.359 of these other people we talked about, like George Russell, 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.439 another person who's in the mix of guy Alex Alban. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.199 All these drivers on the grid who are kind of 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.000 from the UK had to race in karting together at 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.800 some point. They obviously also race people like Max Verstappen. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.760 There's like hilarious photos online of Lando who is the 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.000 tiniest person. He's only five seven now, like this tiny 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.440 like shrimp of a kid, and then Max Verstappen looks 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.280 like a giant next to him, and they're like thirteen 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.120 years old. You know, it's it's it's very funny. So yeah, 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.359 Lando was sort of um. He started driving under a 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:01.800 McLaren McLaren's Young Driver's program long ago. He became an 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.560 F one driver when he was only nineteen years old. 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.400 And you think he's tiny now, he looked tiny then 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.080 as a barely nineteen year old, you know, barely legal 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.439 adult who was on the grid. I think there were 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.679 some people who were really skeptical despite him having a 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.080 very good race record of him coming on, especially that 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.080 young and in the midst of the McLaren team really 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.720 not doing well. You know, Lando showed up and McLaren 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.679 was not great, so it was probably hard for him 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.160 to be like, well, I've already put so many eggs 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.680 in this basket. I'm gonna go you know, I'm gonna 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.560 I'm gonna go with my gut and go with this team. 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.080 So yeah, so Lando came in very much as the 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.240 golden boy or sort of. The idea was, we're going 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.359 to build this program around Lando. Not to say that 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.640 they're going to ignore the second driver like Red Bull 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.879 almost does in a lot of cases, but the idea was, 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.040 you know, we invested all this time in Lando's career. 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:47.639 He's coming in. This was happening right after you know, 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.240 Zach Brown had only been with the team for a 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.880 little bit. He really loved Lando. They have a great relationship, 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.719 and the idea was, we're all going to build together. 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.800 So Lando comes in, he's doing great. He also at 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:59.159 the time when he came in, he drove for his 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.320 first two years with Carlos who's now at Ferrari. They 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.639 have a very close friendship. They're called Carlando by the 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.880 fan base. It's better than Lando's exactly, Yeah, Carlando. I've 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.480 seen I've seen merch that has like gravestones that say 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.000 like r I P. Carlando on them, like people were 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.800 very passionate about them as a driver pairing. But on 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:22.080 that in that dynamic, Carlos was faster than Lando both years. Yea. 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.040 So on top of that one makes Lando a little 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.000