1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: It's Friday, June twenty seventh. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory, and dare I say, Bernie, 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed after the Cardinals' latest four. 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Game set against the Chicago Cubs. 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: They split the series, and you and I both said 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: that we'd be okay if the Cardinals and Cubs split 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: the series, and then what happened. Saint Louis played two 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: thrilling games in Game one and two, and fell very 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: flat in games three and four. So I'm a little 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: disappointed now. I didn't expect them for a four game sweep, 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: of course, but I also thought they would score more 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: than one run in their final twenty three. 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: Innings of that series. But I was mistaken. Welcome back 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: to Cardinal Territory and happy Friday, Katie and Bernie. Back 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: with you. 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: I am in Cleveland this weekend. I will we rejoin 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: the team in Pittsburgh on Monday. But with plenty of 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: things to talk about still, let's start about that series. 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Bernie. Your thoughts on a series split against the Cubs. 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: You know, my position on the four game series is, 21 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: like you, I go in expecting that there will be 22 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: a split, right, because it ain't easy to win even 23 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 3: three out of four games, Okay, can happen. So anyway, 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,639 Speaker 3: I thought, well, Cubs are better team to two split. 25 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: That's probably my expectation. But I think I said I 26 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: think I said on this show, but I can't remember 27 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: for sure, but I know I said it maybe in 28 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: one of my lousy videos. But the it's kind of 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: how it plays out. Like in other words, if the 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: Cardinals had lost the first two games of the series 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 3: and then they battle back and they win the final 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: two and they get a split, you're like, hey, that 33 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: feels like a victory because it could have been so 34 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 3: much worse. Well, the exact thing hot happened. I mean, 35 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: the Cardinals scored sixteen runs and hit seven homers in 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: the first two games. You know, the Cubs were just 37 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: kind of what's the word, you know. I'm not going 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: to say they were knocked down or out, but they 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: were kind of like whoa, you know. And then the 40 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: Cardinals come out the final two games and do absolutely 41 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: nothing and they don't score. They you know, Boyd and 42 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Immenaga are good, don't get me wrong, tip of the 43 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: cap and all that, but come on, I mean, they 44 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: hit one oh five against those two starters just did nothing, nothing, 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: and they didn't score a run against the Cubs bullpen 46 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: the entire series. And yesterday they had well in the 47 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: last two games, they had a chance to get into 48 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: the Cubs bullpen and do something, and yesterday's game was 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: certainly winnable, but like you said, they just went flat. 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: And so in that context, it was a really disappointing 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: four game series because it should have been better, and 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: they let an opportunity slip away. And when you got 53 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: the Cubs lined up, you can't let them slip away. 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: You gotta knock them down when you can. 55 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good Cubs team, and we'll get to 56 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: this later on the show. But you're right about Boyden 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: showed a what do they have in common? They're lefty 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: starting pitchers, and that the Cardinals just are not fair 59 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: or stacked up currently with the way they're roster looks 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: to compete well against lefty pitchers. But Bernie, I think 61 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: you're spot on here. It was disappointing because it could 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: have been a lot better, especially. 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: After the first two games. 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 2: Game two Tuesday, the eight to seven win, Mason wins 65 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: scores from second base on a sack fly Nolan Arnatto 66 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: saving the game with clutch defense. I mean, that's as 67 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: fired up as the team had been all season. So 68 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: then to come out on Wednesday and Thursday, and you know, 69 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: Wednesday's games are going to happen every now and then, 70 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: just a clunker from the start Thursdays was frustrating and 71 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: showed it looked great. I mean, there's a reason that 72 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: he's one of the aces in the National League. Coming 73 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: back from the IL. There was really nothing they could 74 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: do about him, and that Cubs bullpen is very underrated. 75 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: It's very very good Danny Palencia. We saw him. I mean, 76 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: that is nasty, from the slider to hitting one on one. 77 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: They have their own Ryan Helsley out there in the ninth. 78 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: But I agree with you, Bernie, it was you know, 79 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: I know we said we'd take the split, but in 80 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: a series like that, when you win the first two 81 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: games in such exciting fashion and you put yourself in 82 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: a position to take the series and make up some 83 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: ground in the NL Central, neither of those things happened. 84 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: So the good news is the Cardinals will play the 85 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: Cubs again one week from today. 86 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: They just began. 87 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: They are beginning today a three city road trip Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Chicago, 88 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: so they have a chance to avenge themselves if you will. 89 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: We'll see how that goes though, because this Cub's team 90 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: is very very good. 91 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know the one thing too, like, you know, 92 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: it would be great if the Cardinals can go into 93 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: regular field and win two out of three. I'm not greedy. 94 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: Two out of three would be fine, be good. But 95 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 3: it also that also means you can't screw up in 96 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: Cleveland or Pittsburgh, because you know, if you lose two 97 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: out of three of the Indians whatever reason you sorry 98 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: Guardians every now and then, I say that, if you 99 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: lose two out of three in Cleveland and then you 100 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: go in Pittsburgh where they did lose the series earlier 101 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: this year, you know, somehow you get beat there, you 102 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: lose two out of three or whatever. Well, you know, 103 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: if you go beat you go to Chicago and win 104 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: two out of three regular fields, it's like kind of 105 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: like so what you know, because so they can't mess 106 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: up before they get there. 107 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Cleveland's a good team. Pittsburgh is eighteen, but 108 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: Cleveland is a very good team. So that should be 109 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: a good test for them over the weekend. You have 110 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: your race on the mountain to the sunny graye at 111 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: night that go sunny, Miles Libby in Cleveland, and then 112 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh gonna have to take care of business. It's still 113 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: a division mashup. I know that the Pirates have not 114 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: been good and have really taken a turn since the 115 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: Cardinals last played them, but you can't count anyone out, 116 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: and then you hope to do better in Wrigley over 117 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: Fourth of July weekend. 118 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: A couple of roster moves that happened through that series. 119 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: Garrett Hansen claimed off waivers from the Reds, Jose Berrero 120 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: Gfad Jose Fermen recalled Jordan Walker placed on the injured list. 121 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: We're putting out good vibes for Walker dealing with some appendicitis. 122 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: Ali Marmel said Walker actually had to spend the night 123 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: in a hotel, I mean not an hotel, excuse me, 124 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: in a hospital during the series. So we hope that 125 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: Jordan Walker is okay on the men's to recovery. It 126 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: sounded like he was doing much better on Thursday morning, 127 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: but he would not be able to play for at 128 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: least a week. Hence the ilstint that is retroactive to 129 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: June twenty third, so we will see hose for me 130 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: as the twenty six man. Garrett Hampson looks like he'll 131 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: start in center field against lefty's. 132 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: Victor Scott is. 133 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: Swinging the bat better overall, and this is going to 134 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: be a work in progress with him, so I get it. 135 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: But Hampson does hit lefties pretty well. 136 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: I know that nobody did over the series against Chicago, 137 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: but we should see him start in center field Onay's. 138 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: Victor Scott is not and that leaves Barrero dfade, so 139 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: doesn't really impact the overall playing picture too much. One 140 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: thing I could not fit on the banner is that 141 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: Lars Nubar was out for the last forty eight hours. 142 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: I'm sure that did not help with the offensive production. 143 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: He took a what's the word, I always mess this 144 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: up anti inflammatory shot in his intercostal area, so around 145 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: his ribcage on Tuesday, so he's down for forty eight hours. 146 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: Top to Olie Marble on Thursday afternoon, he said the 147 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: plan is for newbar to go to Progressive Field to 148 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: go through all the normal pregame stuff, all the normal tests, 149 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: and their plan is. 150 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: To have him back in the lineup today, so that 151 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: should help. But yeah, Cardinals bench a little thin right 152 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: now without Jordan Walker, who just can't seem to catch 153 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: a break. And we'll see Garrett Hampson when needed, I guess. 154 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Garrett Hampson's an interesting player. I kind of enjoy 155 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: watching him play in the same way that I enjoyed 156 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: watching Michael Sianni play. And I'm saying that with I 157 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: don't know if I'm attempting a joke here. I'm not 158 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: joking about either one of them, but it's almost like, well, 159 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: they went out and found their right handed hitting version 160 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: version of Michael Sianni. I mean, they're basically the same guys. 161 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: One hits left, one hits right, and they both can 162 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: go get the ball. I mean, you know, so Hampson 163 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 3: I think is a smart pickup. They clearly and every 164 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: Cardinals fan knows this. They clearly had to do something 165 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: better than to go with Jose Barrero in center field 166 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: as the right handed option because they weren't going to 167 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: play Newt bar much in center field and I don't 168 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: blame him, so, you know, and Hampson might be that 169 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: extra reliever they need too. I mean, that was a 170 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: pretty good emergency reliever job the other night. 171 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: I mean, three pitches, three outs At that point, I 172 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: think pace of play matters the most to me, So 173 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: thank you, Garrett. 174 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. So yeah, I feel really bad for Walker, 175 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: you know, because he he really had it gone. I 176 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: mean he really had it going about the ten ten 177 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: or twelve games before he got he suffered the wrist injury. 178 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: And since he's been back, we talked about it last week. 179 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: Although I think I cheated him out of a base 180 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: hit once he got off the IL three for eighteen 181 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: now appendicitis. I mean, it's just like there always seems 182 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: to be the you know, a bad moon rising over 183 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: this guy. I mean it's just he just can't get 184 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: a break. And yeah, there's just setback after setback. So 185 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: this is shame, But most importantly is his health. I 186 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: hope he's doing better. 187 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: I hope so too, Cardinals hope that he'll be back 188 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: maybe towards the second. 189 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 2: Half of this road trip. So those are your roster 190 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: moves for the week. I didn't even get into the 191 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: pitching sponsor's up. I knew that was happening after McGreevy 192 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: went down for his spot start. So more about McGreevy 193 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: and basically, I really do want to talk about this, Bernie, 194 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: because I think it's really interesting. 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It continues 227 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: a trend and we're talking about it a little bit 228 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: before we started recording. But you know, the Cardinals in 229 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: the first month in the season against left handed starting pitchers, 230 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: they did really well. Actually then in May they didn't 231 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: do as well, but they were okay, it was okay. 232 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 3: But in June they're not doing well at all and 233 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 3: left handed starting pitchers. But probably yeah, as Jacob said, 234 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, it probably also applies to left handed relievers, 235 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: but especially starting pitchers. Like this month, opposing team starting 236 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: pitchers have a three point seven lefty starting pitchers a 237 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: three point seven o e RA this month, you know, 238 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: and the Cardinals have just been completely owned by guys 239 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: like Abbott and Shoda and Boyd and Kershaw and the 240 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: kid over in Kansas City, the Big amerind. I mean, 241 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: they've just been really shut down by good lefty starters, 242 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 3: and to their credit, I mean, they have had some 243 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: good performances against lefty starters too. I don't want to 244 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 3: pretend that, you know, they they're just completely feudal against 245 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: lefty starters. They're not. We saw them beat up on 246 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: some of them earlier, but particularly this month. Whenever they 247 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: have a you know, a kind of a solid or 248 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: better left handed pitcher starting against them, it's been a struggle. 249 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: It has really been a struggle. So I think we 250 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: know there are some reasons for that. 251 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are being without Yvon Herrera right now. That's 252 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: certainly one of them. No Lars Nubar for the two 253 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: games against the two lefties. Look, I know Nubar is 254 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: a lefty hitter, but he's never been super splitty. It 255 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: hits lefties just fine. No, Jordan Walker plays into that. 256 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: I know it hasn't been going super great for Walker 257 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: at the plate, but when you are facing two good lefties, 258 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: you want as many righties in your lineup as possible. 259 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: Uh. We've talked a. 260 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: Lot about Nolan Gorman and Alec Burlison being better against 261 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: lefty pitching this year, and they are, but still not 262 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: to the extent that someone like Evon Herrera would be. 263 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: Let me pull up Evon Herrera's UH splits this year, 264 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: give me one moment against lefty pitching. Yvon Herrera versus righties, 265 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: the eight oh seven ops versus lefties. He's hitting three 266 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: thirty three with an OPS of one point one point 267 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: eight nine. So we talked when he went down about 268 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: Herrera being the most impactful bat. That's true on both 269 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: sides of the ball, or both sides of the mound, 270 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: i should say, but it's definitely true against lefties. So 271 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: being without Herrera really minimizes the offense. Walker again could 272 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: be a big bat against lefties, even if he is 273 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: struggling a little bit. So now you're relying on guys 274 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: like Gorman and Burlison when the matchups aren't super favorable. 275 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: The reason that we didn't see Scott in there, and 276 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: why we saw Hamson twice is because you just can't 277 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: have five lefties going against a lefty starter when your 278 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: production is so bad. 279 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: So just being without some key bats. 280 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: It's not like Garrett Hampson, while I think he's a 281 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: solid twenty five to twenty six man player, is not 282 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: going to make or break your offense there. And then 283 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: you have some guys like you know, your big right 284 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: handed bats, Arenado, Contreris Controras had a good series but 285 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: couldn't really get a lot going offensively. So Mason Wynn 286 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: really the only guy that I thought had some good 287 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 2: at bats against the two lefties from the right handed side. 288 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Just goes to show how much the Cardinals miss Yvon 289 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: Herrera's bat. I know that Gorman and Burlson have done 290 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 2: a nice job picking up the slack against righties, of 291 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: course they have. But when you see a lefty starter, 292 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: that's when I think you can see some cracks in 293 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: the offense start to miss Yvon Herrera, There's. 294 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 3: No doubt about it. And some of the right handed 295 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: hitters this month have not been good against lefty pitchers. 296 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: And I looked up once stat for you know, for 297 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: something I was going to do, didn't I didn't. I 298 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 3: didn't end up using the stats A happy to use 299 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: the ear So we're talking about left handed pitching right now. 300 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: This starters and relievers. Okay, starters and relievers. This month, 301 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: Cardinals right handed batters against left handed pitching one hundred 302 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: and ninety six plate appearances a two forty six average, 303 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: lousey on base percentage, and his slugging percentage is about 304 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: three eighty. So is there about ten percent below league average? 305 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: When you have you have a definite platoon split advantage opportunity, 306 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: and your right handed batters can't do better than that 307 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: against lefties, that's a problem. I mean, that's got that's 308 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: got to be better than that if possible. But you know, 309 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: I was surprised to look at the season long stats 310 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 3: and see like for for example, I had no idea 311 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: that Mason win his splits are not good. This is 312 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: the whole season. They're not good against left handed pitching. 313 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: And I was surprised by that for some reason. 314 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he likes hitting against lefties. 315 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, and you know there's there's other 316 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: guys that maybe hit for average, but there's not much 317 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: power they you know, said jac And I'm not blaming him, 318 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: but he hasn't been able to really do much against 319 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: left handed pitchers. And you know, there's a couple other 320 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: guys too, I mean, Pa, he's who had for a 321 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: time there, you know, it was pretty good against lefties. 322 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: I'm thinking more like last year. But he's he's been 323 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: pretty bad against him. They just haven't had I mean, 324 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: Poso can hit lefties and and you know, but but boy, 325 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: von Herrera, gosh, his numbers against lefties, as you just 326 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: offered up. Guy's just a beast, he really is. I 327 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: hope that he's not. This is not going to be 328 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: a recurring thing where he gets hurt a lot. I can't. 329 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: I really hope not. Because he's we talked about this 330 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: last episode. I'm not sure what his long term position is. 331 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: They don't need to figure that out right now in 332 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: the middle of June during this reset season. But his 333 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: bat place and we know that and talk to Yvonne 334 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: a couple of days over the series where he said 335 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: he feels good. I know, he put on Twitter that 336 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: he's running the bases doing some work, so that's really good. 337 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: He does not think it's going to be six weeks, 338 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: so that's also really good. 339 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: But that's not official. 340 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: Of course, you wait for the training staff to say 341 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: something and for the organization, but for Herrara to be 342 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: out running the bases before games. Being able to go 343 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: in and do some light work, that's an encouraging sign 344 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: in the right direction. Maybe he'll be back after the 345 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: All Star break, that would certainly be a win for 346 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: the club. But right now, in this stretch leading into 347 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: the Midsummer Classic, which I can't believe, Quickside Brandt. The 348 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: Cardinals played their eighty second game on Thursday, Bernie. That 349 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: means we are over halfway into the twenty twenty five season, 350 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: and if I did my math correctly, the first time 351 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: I would have had this episode be the half point 352 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: check in, So that's actually going to be on Sunday. Sorry, 353 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: it is insane to me that we are halfway through 354 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: the year. I do not every year goes quick, but 355 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: this year specifically, but for Herrera, I hope he's back 356 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: sooner than later, because you're looking at guys likes JC 357 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: to step up, and I like to JC. I think 358 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: that he has a lot of talent. He has a 359 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: lot of skill. I still think he's pretty raw and 360 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: his acclamation to the big leagues is going to take 361 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: a lot of time. So why I believe the hype 362 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: is real and I believe he can be an impact 363 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: major League player. I'm not sure if he's one hundred 364 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: percent ready for that yet, so he's kind of in 365 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: here as a matter of circumstance. 366 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: Again, Garrett Hampson Jose for me, and those are your 367 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: depth pieces. 368 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: You're really looking at your starting nine with some increased 369 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: playing time for Alec Wilson and Nolan Gorman to carry 370 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: your team through the All Star break. And we know 371 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 2: how important the first two weeks of July are as we. 372 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Shift to trade deadline mode. So we'll see if the 373 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: Cardinals can stay afloat now without walk or two and 374 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: hopefully without new bar today. But we'll see the good 375 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: news for US Saint Louis looking ahead at Probable's shout 376 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: out PR staff member Chris Tuno for this. The Cardinals 377 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: will only face one lefty against Cleveland. 378 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: That's going to be on Sunday, Logan Allen. He's five 379 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: and five with a four two five ERA. He'll take 380 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: on Matthew Libertor. That game is on Roku. A lot 381 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: of weird broadcasting this series, Apple TV Tonight Roku on Sunday, 382 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: Apple TV again Friday July fourth, and Sunday Night Baseball 383 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: on ESPN at five, ten, not six oh eight. Like 384 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: normally that is for Cardinals Cubs on Sunday at Wrigley Field. 385 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: And I can't think of a more unfortunate scheduling than 386 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: getting the Sunday night game as the very last night 387 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: of your ten day road trip. 388 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: So that's super fun. 389 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: If you would like to watch the Cardinals, it will 390 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: be difficult over the next week and a half. 391 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 4: You know. 392 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 3: And listen. I think Roku's really good, like you know, 393 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: and it's free and all this other stuff, but they 394 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: have some interesting programming, it's clean, they operate it really well. 395 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: I'm assuming they're going to do a little better this 396 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: time though than that first game to get just I 397 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: think it was like kind of funny. I'm not slamming them. 398 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's you know, they go to three 399 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: or four times in the game they go to the 400 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: commercial break, and the commercials keep playing and playing and 401 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: playing and playing, and I'm like, well, wait a minute. 402 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: Miss multiple abouts. 403 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like wait a minute. Then, you know, and 404 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: then they come back and it's like two outs. It's like, 405 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 3: what what happened? You know? So I don't know. So 406 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: my point is is like, yeah, with all this shuffling, 407 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: around of where games can be seen. You know, it 408 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: also increases the possibility that there will be some problems. 409 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 3: So anyway, but I know it, Listen, I know what 410 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: Baseball's got to do it, So I'm not getting on 411 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: any kind of soapbox. I know that baseball has got 412 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: to squeeze as much TV revenue as they can because 413 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: that's where that's where teams make money, really a lot 414 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: of their money. And so but man, I just everybody, 415 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 3: I just wish. And it's easy for me to say, uh, 416 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: because I'm hardly great at my job, but I just wish, 417 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: like all the people that want to broadcast baseball, you know, 418 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: just if you want to go in and do that, man, 419 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: that's great, but be good at it, be really good 420 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 3: at it. So that's all. 421 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: That's all. Just be good. Just be better. That's what 422 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: I tell my broadcast friends as a joke. They always 423 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: say we'll be excellent, and I say, well, be better, 424 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: but don't grab do a wonderful job. And obviously they do. 425 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: You guys all know how I feel about that broadcast duo. 426 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: All right, right back to it for our final segment. 427 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: A very quick message first from Arena club. 428 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: By Now you know about Arena club by sell trade, 429 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 4: open up slab packs to get a card that you 430 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 4: don't think you could get usually. 431 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: But the grails will tell you that. 432 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: For example, there's an Aaron Judge Rookie card in this 433 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 4: week's slab packs, so make sure you check those out. 434 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 5: No doubts, those are what you want. 435 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: The grails you're in. 436 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 5: Judge Grail is awesome, graded traded if you want, tell 437 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 5: you how much it's worth, whatever you want to do. 438 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 5: And I'm a big Michael Jordan Fanily my twenty three 439 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 5: shirt on there's a Michael Jordan Grail in there that 440 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to. 441 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 4: Try to get twenty percent off your first slab pack 442 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 4: or card purchase at arenaclub dot com. Use code foul. 443 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh I did it right? 444 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: Nice that when I said okay, that was to buy 445 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: me some extra seconds in because I didn't do it correctly. 446 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: But here we are firing on a Friday. Andre Polante 447 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: didn't have his best stuff yesterday. He battled a four 448 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: seam command, which is pretty unusual. That is his best pitch. 449 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: That's usually what he builds his entire arsenal around. But 450 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: I thought he did a nice show of staying in 451 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: the ball game. It certainly wasn't his fault that the 452 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: Cardinals lost. He can't win if you don't score. But 453 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: this has been a reoccurring theme. I wrote about it 454 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: on The Athletic last night on what Polante's long term 455 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: future is. I don't know why we do not discuss 456 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: Andre Polante the same way we do Matthew, Liberator, Bernie 457 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: when it comes to runway and finding out what you 458 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: have in a starting pitcher. My gut tells me it's 459 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 2: the unpredictability of his nature as a groundball pitcher, similar 460 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: to guys like Eric Fetti, Miles Michaelis and even to 461 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: some extent Michael McGreevey groundball pictures every now and then 462 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: are just going to. 463 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: Have a bad outing. 464 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 2: So maybe that makes Andre Polante maybe an unfair target 465 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: of why is he still here? 466 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: He's still here because I think there are plenty of us. 467 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: There's plenty of upside to Andre Polante, And as Alie 468 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: Marmel said to reporters before Thursdays start, I will do 469 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 2: the censored version of this. Here's what we have in 470 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: the Athletic. A lot of talk about well because people 471 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: want McGreevy in the rotation. Everyone wants magreev in the rotation. 472 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: You and I include it, And the logical thing would 473 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: be because they cannot DFA Miles michaelis so stop asking me, 474 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: and they are maybe going to trade Eric Fetti will see. 475 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: I see a lot of fans thinking that logically, all right, 476 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: we'll just move Polante to the bullpen or moving to 477 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: Triple A. Here's why that's not gonna work. Here's what 478 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: Ali Marmel said about that. You have a guy that 479 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: has a unique pitch that's understanding how to pitch at 480 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: the big league level. If you send Polonte down to 481 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: Triple A, he will cut right through that league. His 482 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: next step in his career is understanding how to continue 483 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: to combat big league hitters. He's not working on anything 484 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: specific that reps at a lower level will do him 485 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: any good. 486 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: And I completely agree with that. 487 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: The Cardinals need Andre Polante at the major league level 488 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: because they need to see how he can continue attacking 489 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: especially right handed hitters. It's why he went back to 490 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: the miners last year so you could develop that sinker. 491 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: It's why he's working on a pitch mix that is 492 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: vastly different than what he's ever used before. Yesterday he 493 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: had the most even pitch mix of the season. I 494 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: went back and checked with his four pitch arsenal mixed 495 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: in the slider and the curve ball. That's something that 496 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: he'd never really done in his career, and he has 497 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: admitted he'd been averse to. 498 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing some trends in the right direction. 499 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: And if the whole primary point of the season was 500 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: indeed extending opportunity to guys to see where they fitted 501 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 2: in the future, you continue doing that with Andre Polante 502 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: because all things considered, he's been just fine. It's just 503 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: been a couple of rough outings that I think fans 504 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 2: get frustrated at. But if we're going to extend all 505 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: this opportunity to Matthew libert Or who's been great, we 506 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: should do the same with Andre Polante. That's why the 507 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: Cardinals are sticking with him, because they don't get fueled. 508 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: They need to make a decision on Michael mcgree. 509 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 3: Bernie your thoughts, well, I think Liberator is in a 510 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: different category than Polante because the Liberator has got more stuff, 511 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: He's got more ways to get a hit her out. 512 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: He's more imposing on the mound. He can throw it 513 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: by guys. He's ground balls. He's not real splitty. But 514 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: you know, if you look at Libertor, to me, he 515 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: was the best starting pitcher they had in the first half, 516 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 3: even with that little rut that he was in there, 517 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 3: because he had the best fielding independy ra He had 518 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: the lowest walk rate allowed, the lowest home run rate allowed, 519 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: the best strike that walk ratio. He was better than 520 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: Sunny Gray and all those things. So I think Libertors 521 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: just I just put him on a different level now. 522 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean, like y'all, he's good to go 523 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: for the next five years. But I think, you know, 524 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: we're seeing a guy that's got a lot of ways 525 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: to dominate hitters. Polonte doesn't. I mean, he's got to 526 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 3: be a grinder. I really admired the way he pitched 527 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 3: yesterday because at one point when he was he was 528 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: battling I think it was final inning, and you know, 529 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, my gosh, that guy, like somebody rush out 530 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 3: there and like take his temperature. I mean, this guy's 531 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: like ready to keel over. I mean just was working, 532 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: working like a maniac, and he just looked so hot 533 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: and bothered, right. But my only problem with Polonte and 534 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 3: I listen, I understand the overall message. I do, I 535 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: really do, because I don't. I don't know how much 536 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: he would benefit going to the miners and by the 537 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: other way. And I've been hard on Polante, But his 538 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: last four starts, if we're gonna we're gonna go bottom line, 539 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 3: his last four starts, he's got a two point ninety 540 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: five E or A. So he has pulled his performance up. 541 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 3: And you are right, he will always be kind of 542 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 3: a captive to to added ball loock on ground balls. 543 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: But the one problem he's had throughout his career is 544 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: that he's just you know, he's not good against right 545 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: handed pitching. And that's still true, and you know, yeah, 546 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: and with you know, considering all the right handed batters 547 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: you've face, and I think smart managers will try to 548 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 3: they won't automatically. Smart managers want automatically. So well, we 549 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: got to stack lefty bats against this guy. Now, all 550 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: you got to do is go to Baseball Reference and 551 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: look at his numbers against righty's to ninety six this year, 552 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: three sixty four on base, four to seventy three slug. 553 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 3: I mean that's got to get better because it'll be 554 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: like every start that he goes into it's it's like 555 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: it's all going to hinge on whether right handed batters 556 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: can smack him around. And if he can fight him off, 557 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: that's fine, but that's awfully hard to That's really hard 558 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 3: to do over and over and over again. And that's 559 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 3: why he had such a hard time during that one 560 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: stretch where his era balloon is, because right handed hitters 561 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: were just really messing them up. So I got mixed 562 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: feelings about Polante. I like him. I really appreciate his competitiveness. 563 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: I think he's a smart guy too, But I do 564 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: wonder about his upside, that's all. 565 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's fair, especially as you're seen in Entva. 566 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: This is the first time that he's really tried to 567 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: change up the sequencing. I mean, when you are good 568 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: at what you do, Andre Polante had always come advertised 569 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 2: as a ground ball pitcher. He still has the He's 570 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 2: in the top two percent in ground ball rate at 571 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: sixty five percent, so clearly he's very good at getting 572 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: the ground ball. But as we know, there is some 573 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: unpredictability in ground balls. Sometimes they go through, sometimes you 574 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: get slugged, hard, and that happened to Polante from the 575 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: end of May to early June and that stretch you 576 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: just referenced. But I have reason to believe in the 577 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: upside for now, even if the numbers don't reflect it, 578 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: even if the box score doesn't reflect at some starts, 579 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: because it's the first time we've seen him really have 580 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: a full arsenal where he's not just a two pitch 581 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: guy trying to every now and then get guys off 582 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: with a sinker or curve ball. I mean, he has 583 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: really developed that sinker to be another weapon against Riti's 584 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: and he's using the curve ball a lot more and 585 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: his fastball sits ninety five. You can mix in a 586 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: curve ball regularly and keep writies off of that with 587 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: your offspeed. 588 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: The slider is a fine pitch too. 589 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: Now that four scene plays even more, and Polante has 590 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: a good four seamer, it's just about executing it well 591 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: enough to get better results against Righty's And that was 592 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: the whole point. The big question for Polante this season. 593 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: Right The big question for now far was his help. 594 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 2: The big question for Libby is what can you do 595 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 2: with a real chance. The big question for Polante is 596 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: what can you do against Rity's with a legitimate game plan, 597 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: better pitches, and a better arsenal. So I have no 598 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: issue with the Cardinals continuing to try that out. Michael McGreevey, 599 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: on the other hand, he has two options left Bernie. 600 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: Soon the Cardinals will need to make a decision about 601 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: where he's going to be for the rest of the year, 602 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: and it better be the Majors or we revolts. 603 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: It will be the Majors. They just have to find 604 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: a way to put him in there. 605 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: Oli Marmal acknowledge that decision is coming, but he said 606 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: the team is not quite there yet. You think about 607 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: what they could accomplish over the trade deadline. I agree, 608 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: But my hope is that we will see McGreevy more 609 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: consistently in the second half, and honestly, as frustrating as 610 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: it is, I thought he did a nice job on Tuesday. 611 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: You hate the five spot and the third inning, of course, 612 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: but he rebounded nice for two scoreless after That's what 613 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: you're looking at, and starts like that for young guys, 614 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: as how do they recover. It's in a way a 615 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: blessing that we haven't seen McGreevy yet because that meant 616 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: that no starting pitcher has gotten hurt yet as we 617 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 2: record this on June twenty seventh, the Cardinals have had 618 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: a remarkable string of starting pitching health and they deserve 619 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: a ton of props for that. 620 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: That just does not happen in today's game. 621 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: You know, overall, the rotation's been good, and some people 622 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: might question that, but you know, me, I go, I 623 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: go down a couple layers, like the Cardinals starting pitching. 624 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: Going into yesterday, they had they were in the top 625 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: five in the majors for fielding independent era. So, okay, Bernie, 626 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: why do you use fielding independent era? Because it measures 627 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: what a pitcher can control. Like, in other words, the 628 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: Cardinals are excellent. They're starting pitchers, the whole team is. 629 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: But they they're starters. They have a very low walk rate, 630 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 3: they have a very low home run rate allowed, right, 631 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: and you know they they don't beat themselves per se, right, 632 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: And so when you just take when you when you 633 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: judge them based on what they can control, based on 634 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: fifth they're they're you know, top five in the majors, 635 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: I think plus they are for there they their fourth 636 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: or fifth in the majors in innings by starting pitching, 637 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: and they their average start five point five innings is 638 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 3: second best in the National League. I think it's an 639 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: underrated rotation. I really do agree that. 640 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: I agree. 641 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: No, well, it's true. And the only reason is because 642 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: you know you're gonna have these lousy starts, right, and 643 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 3: you're gonna have Polonte going through a tough stretch, which 644 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: he did. The Fetti Fetti is kind of very vulnerable 645 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: because he is actually benefited from bad of ball luck 646 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: better than anybody they have. So you're gonna get these 647 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: clunkers every now and then, but every team does has clunkers. 648 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: But if you just if you go beneath the surface 649 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: a little bit and you see that the way that 650 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: they limit their walks and limit their home runs. And 651 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 3: this is the one thing again I've talked about a lot. 652 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it one more time. You know, they 653 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: hit their spots as pitchers. They're starting pitchers. Number two 654 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: in the major leagues is starting pitchers in terms of 655 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: their location rating. In other words, it's called hitting your spot. 656 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: And the only way they can control hitters because they 657 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: can't strike them out. Really, other than Sonny Gray and 658 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: Libby to an extent, they can't miss, they can't miss 659 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: location a lot. They've got to be consistently precise in 660 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: where they're trying to locate a pitch. They do that 661 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 3: well too. See, I respect that, you know, I'm They're 662 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 3: not throwers, they're pitchers. I believe there's still room in 663 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: this game for pitchers, you know. You know, so maybe 664 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm old school with that because another reason, 665 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: and I know, we got to wrap this up. Another reason. 666 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: When a when you have a rotation that is not 667 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: not strong in terms of strikeout punch, it also means 668 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: you don't have a bunch of guys throwing ninety seven 669 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 3: all the time. Those guys get hurt, they break right. 670 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 3: You have guys who you know, who pitch the contact, 671 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: but they do it very very well, and they don't 672 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: walk people, and they don't give up home runs. They 673 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: also stay healthy. So you know, it's just funny how 674 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 3: the how we perceive pitching, the way it's changed through 675 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 3: the years. You know, I think there's a I think 676 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: there's been a lack of appreciation for guys who just 677 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: flat out know how to pitch. 678 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: And they do. The Cardinals know how to pitch. I 679 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: think it's a great way to wrap this one up. Yeah. No, 680 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: the Cardinals aren't going to blow your doors down. We've 681 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: known that. 682 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 2: But they do an exceptional job of pitching to their strengths. 683 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, Bernie, no low walk rate, low home 684 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: run rate, and they hit their spots. 685 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: They have really surprised me through the first half of 686 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: this season. So let's see how it continues. All right. 687 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not in Cleveland with the team. 688 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: I will rejoin them Monday in Pittsburgh, but I will 689 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: be working remotely. 690 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: My favorite series is when I'm not there but I'm 691 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: still working them. Yay, Bernie. 692 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: I will wrap with you Sunday for a series recap 693 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: before I hit the road again. Yeah, let's flush this 694 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: cub series. Some positive things to take from it, some 695 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: not some positive things to take from it. It was 696 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: a split all the way around in terms of performance, vibes, 697 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: all of that stuff. 698 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: We'll start again with a new road trip for Bernie. 699 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm Katie. We'll talk to you on Sunday.