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Speaker 1: So today is the tag deadline at four pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Every team, yes, as an opportunity to place the tag

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Speaker 1: it is the shopping season that we're nearing. It is

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Speaker 1: nearing the start of free agency. As I mentioned Jeff

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about yesterday, and we'll get to your

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Speaker 1: to your thoughts and feedback on the combine, Jeff. As

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting because teams are gonna wait as

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Speaker 1: close to the deadline as possible, Jeff, and the rational

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Speaker 1: now it seems that these these teams are they're not

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Speaker 1: It's twelve o'clock. Now in four hours, you're gonna take it. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: I think you brought up a very interesting point, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: it's just incredible to see this kind of stuff going

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Speaker 1: how these guys trained for the combine. They've been through

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Speaker 1: these drills so many times. I mean really, not not

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Speaker 1: one of them screwed up the drill, with the bag drill,

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Speaker 1: the w drill, any of these drills that they're doing.

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Speaker 1: I think the only time I saw somebody screw something

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Speaker 1: first one, like he thought the ball was coming here,

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Speaker 1: but it should have been behind. That's it. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: they knew everything, every turn, every every tap of the bag.

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Speaker 1: They knew everything because they practiced this over and over

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Speaker 1: before they get there. Well, it becomes second nature by

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Speaker 1: the time they get to them. It has to be

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Speaker 1: the program to essentially move their feet, move their arms

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Speaker 1: a specific way, and that was on full display just

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Speaker 1: real quickly. The defensive lineman that you were talking about him,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about this prior to coming on the air.

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Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams out of Alabama ran a four point eight

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Speaker 1: five and he is six three over three hundred pounds,

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Speaker 1: so that was a number that certainly jumped off the page.

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Speaker 1: And then Montes Sweat, who took part in the senior

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Speaker 1: ball out of Mississippi State. He's six six to sixty

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Speaker 1: and he ran a four point four one, which also

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Speaker 1: is something of notes. So when you take both of

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Speaker 1: those players into consideration, and actually to take it a

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Speaker 1: step further, Jeff Sweat set a record that's the fastest

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Speaker 1: forty yard dash for a defensive lineman in the history

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Speaker 1: of the combine. And I believe that that was faster

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Speaker 1: than every other player that took part in the combine

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Speaker 1: compared to the wide receiver group with the exception of seven.

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Speaker 1: So he was faster than every other wide receiver with

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Speaker 1: the exception of seven whiteouts. So that there may have been, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because there were. I think there was a defensive back

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Speaker 1: four two four three one four three one. I believe

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Speaker 1: it was, but's just Modering. The fastest guy I ever

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Speaker 1: saw one of my teammates. So John can't get me

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Speaker 1: on this because I know I played with him. It

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Speaker 1: In fact, he won a lot of money one time

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Speaker 1: because everybody didn't think that he could run a sub

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Speaker 1: four four forty And on a Saturday in Seattle, there

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Speaker 1: was about fifteen thousand dollars in cash laid out on

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Speaker 1: the field, and all the guys that got together he

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Speaker 1: got three shots to do it. On his first try,

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Speaker 1: he did it and ran over, grabbed all the money

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Speaker 1: and ran out of the bubble. That's like Dion Sanders esque.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like what he did. Actually, it's funny you

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Speaker 1: brought up Joey Galloway because we were talking about how

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Speaker 1: rare it is for a player to be traded for

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Speaker 1: two first round picks. Galloway is actually one of the

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Speaker 1: very few players that was trading from the Seahawks of

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys when that happened. So that's funny that you

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Speaker 1: brought him up. Two zero one five one three is

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Speaker 1: the telephone number reminds you're Big Blue Kickoff Life presented

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Speaker 1: up the phone lines. The Giants re signed Alex Taddy,

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Speaker 1: who was one of the quarterbacks on the roster. He

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Speaker 1: was the backup t line manning. The only reason I

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Speaker 1: bring that up, Jeff, is they interestingly now have and

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Speaker 1: we're very far away from the finalization of the fifty

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Speaker 1: three man roster, but as it stands right now, the

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Speaker 1: Giants have all three quarterbacks who are on the two

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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen roster under contract through at least two thousand nineteen.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I also want to bring this up

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Speaker 1: is Pat Shermer said on multiple occasions he values having

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Speaker 1: a veteran backup quarterback, Jeff, and the rational being he

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Speaker 1: feels it's easier to put a veteran quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: game with very few reps because it's easy for them

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Speaker 1: to understand. They've been through it, they understand the ins

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Speaker 1: and out to the offense. So that's just something to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind when you look at how the Giants

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Speaker 1: are composing their roster. Well, if you want to go

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Speaker 1: a little bit further, and who that number six pick

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Speaker 1: is and if they I've heard in their media and

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Speaker 1: talked about it over the weekend, was the Kansas City plan.

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Speaker 1: You know, draft a quarterback, let him sit for So

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna go there, you're you know, and you

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Speaker 1: draft a guy at number six, a quarterback, let's just

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Speaker 1: call it Dwayne Haskins. Then Dwayne sits back, he learns

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Speaker 1: for a year, or whoever that quarterback is. Now you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to make a decision because you've got three guys.

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Speaker 1: So where's Kyle I letting on that group? Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: not a veteran. I mean, he's not a real Alex

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Speaker 1: Hanny's a guy that that actually fits the mold for

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Speaker 1: what you just said. So that third position would be

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Speaker 1: that six pick and sit behind Eli and do whatever

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Speaker 1: um or they go with the three guys that they

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Speaker 1: went with last years. Now you gotta you gotta think

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Speaker 1: that if the six pick is not used on a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you know where they're going. They are going defense until

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Speaker 1: they're till the cows come home. Because by looking at

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Speaker 1: these guys, yes and over the weekend, you can't go

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Speaker 1: wrong with some of these picks in the draft, and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have a high second round pick. Two now

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Speaker 1: they're not, and then they're not gonna have another pick.

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Speaker 1: For over a hundred something picks. Sam Bill counts is yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that maybe they're wheeling and dealing something here and there,

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Speaker 1: but I gotta believe that, especially if Landing does not

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Speaker 1: come back. Um, we'll see what they do in free agency,

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Speaker 1: but I think this is gonna be a draft where

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to address some of these needs at

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Speaker 1: every level of that defense. Well, and you can argue

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Speaker 1: there's multiple needs in the pass rushing department, not just

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Speaker 1: one player, Jeff. You could argue that it would be

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Speaker 1: valuable to maybe even take two guys to add to

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Speaker 1: that rotation that they already have. Well, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: talk about Olivia Vernon and what they're gonna do, and

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Speaker 1: and this is something that's the teams talk about every

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Speaker 1: single year at this time. Guys, it's it's it's all

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Speaker 1: about getting to the cap number. And there's guys that

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Speaker 1: that you know when you when you sign a free

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Speaker 1: agent four years ago, and if you're into those last

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Speaker 1: four four or five or even three and four years

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Speaker 1: and in the salary, those are big numbers. You just

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Speaker 1: when you sign them at the time, you don't really

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Speaker 1: think about it until all of a sudden, now your

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Speaker 1: face with that looking you right in the mirror, going wow,

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Speaker 1: you know this is this cap figure and unfortunately, if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of cat money, you've got

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Speaker 1: to create it, and that means that some guys have

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Speaker 1: to have to leave. Well, what you just brought up

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Speaker 1: is the short term versus the long term goals and

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Speaker 1: that two thousand sixteen offseason, Remember the Giants are very aggressive.

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Speaker 1: They brought in Olivier Vernon to your point, they brought

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Speaker 1: in generous jenkins, they brought in snacks. They parted ways

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Speaker 1: with snacks. And now the question is can they create

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Speaker 1: more wiggle room to address now needs on defense outside

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Speaker 1: of those players, because you need numbers, you need volume.

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Speaker 1: It's not just the defense where one guy is gonna

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Speaker 1: do all the heavy listing. And the problem you have

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Speaker 1: with is if you get rid of one pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get some others. Right, all you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do is create another void. Is that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: create another void. But I mean, if you're gonna stick

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Speaker 1: of stick with free agency, if you're gonna try and

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Speaker 1: go get a pass rusher in free agency, is he's

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Speaker 1: gonna cost you just as much as Olivia Vernon is

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Speaker 1: gonna cost you so and lessen you know, unless you

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Speaker 1: get a maybe uh A minus or a B plus

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Speaker 1: type of player. But you know, these rookies are very

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Speaker 1: cap friendly. So if you have them the ability you

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Speaker 1: have in the draft for this year, because it's very

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Speaker 1: deep with defensive lineman, you know, maybe you go out and,

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Speaker 1: like you said, multiple picks are defensive edge rusher or

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Speaker 1: defensive line whoever it is, outside landbacker, outside linebacker in

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Speaker 1: this three four that they're going to. Who knows. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens. You have to build the team through

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Speaker 1: the draft. I think that's well documented with recent Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl winners. Teams that make the playoffs consistently choose your

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Speaker 1: one one three is the telephone number hashtag giants chat

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. All right, let's open up the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: We've got Marco in Connecticut getting us going here on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's a big Blue kickoff live. What's happened in market?

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, how are you good? Due? All right? What's

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Speaker 1: on you mind? Oh? I've got a lot um. I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm I'm really like unclear about the direction of

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Speaker 1: this team right now. I I've been trying to stamp

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Speaker 1: at and and not make any rats judgments, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm really gonna wait to see what goes on with

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Speaker 1: the tag and free agency and then with the draft.

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Speaker 1: But I think one thing's clear right now. They've already

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Speaker 1: made it clear that Eli is coming back, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna assume he's gonna be the starting quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and I'm fine with that. I just don't I don't

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Speaker 1: understand the direction of the team really and and I

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Speaker 1: like there's so many people that have been taking shot

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Speaker 1: to the team, and especially gentleman on direction going back

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Speaker 1: to last year with some of the freezing moves and

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Speaker 1: especially the draft pick. I did not do that because

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Speaker 1: I think, like, hey, he got to give him in

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Speaker 1: Shermer a fair shot with their guys. But I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: I don't get it because I think what we've seen

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Speaker 1: with Eli, there's certain things on the roster that kind

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Speaker 1: of need to happen for him to be successful. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking a shot by saying that. So if

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Speaker 1: he's coming back and you were to draft, even let's

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Speaker 1: say we did, we we mirror the Kansas City model.

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Speaker 1: Well mirror in the Kansas City model is bringing in

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback that's gonna be mentored under it. I

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Speaker 1: love that idea. Well, here's what happens, though, are you

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Speaker 1: really building a good roster around Eli to give him

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Speaker 1: a shot at having a winning year like that? I

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Speaker 1: feel like that's being forgotten now. He's like, he's almost

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Speaker 1: forty years old. Like are we Are we not trying

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Speaker 1: to win? Because if we're not trying to win and

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Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, then what are we doing? Because

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Speaker 1: and and I'm like, and now this is where I

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Speaker 1: start to get real upset about this. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it, waynmon Collins, I guess on the market,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna find out what he's truly worth. There's a

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Speaker 1: team that's gonna come in and pay him a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. If it's not us, And if you don't

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Speaker 1: value the safety position enough to want to put that

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Speaker 1: big of a dollar on it, no problem, I get it.

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Speaker 1: So then what are you going to do with that money?

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm really wondering now, because I think, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I know, you gotta have some A

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Speaker 1: list players to win in this league. Like and I'm

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Speaker 1: looking around the roster, I'm like, Okay, who are the

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Speaker 1: A list players that we have on the team that

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Speaker 1: are gonna allow Eli to be in a position to

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Speaker 1: be successful. And if you remove Collins, whether or not

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Speaker 1: you um value that position in your defense. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if James Betcher does. I don't know enough about

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Speaker 1: like the XS and oas to know in a three

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Speaker 1: four what he values there. But if it's if it's

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Speaker 1: not Commins, I do know Collins is an eight plus

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Speaker 1: player somewhere. So then if and then the rumors were like,

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Speaker 1: oh maybe Vernon might not be on the roster, I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it, and like, Jeff, you just said it, Well,

642
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to fill a lot of spots here,

643
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: like now now, now, now you're really like what are we?

644
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: Are we a rebuilding team or like what exactly? Like

645
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: what are we doing? What do you? I what? And

646
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: then and there was the last thing I'll say, and

647
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: I'll have you guys comment on it. When you to

648
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: go full circle when he would get them to me

649
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: that comment about he had a conversation with Eli. I

650
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: think if I had a guess, I think the conversation

651
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: was this, Eli, we're gonna bring you back. Eli. The

652
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: media thinks that we should be asking you to take

653
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: a pay cut. Guess what, Eli, We're thankful for everything

654
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: you've done. We're not gonna ask you to take a

655
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: pay cut. However, you're gonna come back and we're gonna

656
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: do a B and C. Eli, you need to go

657
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: home and think about will you be able to play

658
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: under these considerations? And a B and C might be

659
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: drafting a rookie quarterback. Drafting a rookie quarterback that people

660
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: think that people might be saying, Hey, Pat Schimmer, when's

661
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: the rookie gonna play? Eli is off to win? Oh

662
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: when four start? We might also Eli have to address

663
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: this position, which you know, might mean that we need

664
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Speaker 1: to I don't know, rebuilding this spot, you know. And

665
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: so Eli, you go home in the offseason and think

666
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: about it. But of course we want you back. Guys,

667
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I gave you a lot to digest there. I know

668
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm venting, but that's where I'm at, all right, Marco,

669
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: we'll get to go on that note, certainly throughout a lot.

670
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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to start with this whole premise, Jeff,

671
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: that if a team goes in a younger direction, that

672
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: they have no plans to win, to me, is personally ridiculous.

673
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: There is so much transition in this sport, unlike any

674
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: other professional sport that I've seen, Jeff of what I

675
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: mean is year to year rosters fluctuate. Even the Patriots roster.

676
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: You think they bring back the same fifty three guys

677
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: every single year, they're changing. So just because you're going

678
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: in a younger direction, just because you're not necessarily retaining

679
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: a plus star players as the caller mentioned, doesn't mean

680
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: that the team is not going into the season thinking, hey,

681
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: we want to be competitive, we want to win. And

682
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: we've seen teams that have young rosters and sometimes they

683
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: end up ahead of the curve. So I would not

684
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Speaker 1: associate parting ways with a star player going in a

685
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: younger direction through the draft as a means of saying, hey,

686
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: we have no interest in winning. It's just a matter

687
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: of trying to balance your cap and realizing the economics

688
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: don't allow you to keep a lot of high paid

689
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: players on your roster. Well, I think it all comes

690
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: down like, keep using this philosophy I do do. Does

691
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: the organization literally believe that Eli Manning still can play

692
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: and compete at a high level. Evidently they do, because

693
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: we've heard that he's gonna be back, and he'll be

694
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Speaker 1: the quarterback for next year. Okay, Yeah, they're paying the

695
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: X amount of dollars. Once again, it goes with that

696
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: old how do you do how do you build your

697
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: team with how much money at each position? Okay? Um,

698
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: And I think that they're really intrigued by the idea,

699
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: even though I note, we're gonna say that they didn't

700
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: play the greatest teams the second half of the season.

701
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: But this team did lead the NFC East and scoring

702
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: last year. Okay, so I think they're a little bit

703
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: intrigued about that. The way that Evan Ingram started to

704
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: play towards the end of the season. You were without

705
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. You get a healthy Odell Beckham back, you

706
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: get some help on the offensive line, maybe find you

707
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: a good right tackle in free agency or even in

708
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Speaker 1: the draft. I think that they're more concerned about the

709
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football than they are the offensive

710
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Speaker 1: side of the football. Being even with Eli, even though

711
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: I know he's almost forty. Listen, between thirty eight and forty,

712
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: that's two years I've been there. There's a big difference

713
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: between thirty eight and forty. I will tell you that. Okay, However,

714
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: I think their emphasis, in my opinion, is going to

715
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Speaker 1: be on the defensive side, and they believe that the

716
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: offense can be better than they were last year. And

717
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: it was a little bit exciting when the season ended

718
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: to see how this offense produced. That's just my guess.

719
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: I think that with the offensive line and Nate Solder

720
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: playing better towards the end of the year and that cohesiveness,

721
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: I think they're excited about that side of the football

722
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: that they're not going to have to rely on the

723
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: the model of you know, we're gonna get rid of

724
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Eli and bringing a new quarterback and then you know,

725
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: then then it's the season is washed. Like you said,

726
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: we were not into winning. I think this team believes

727
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: that they can build this defense up and Betcher's second

728
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: year with some really good players b J. Hill, Young, played,

729
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter, Young, guys that they've built the through the

730
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: draft and then they got nine picks this year, So

731
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: you continue to build the nucleus up with youth and

732
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't kill your salary cap. You Got's the exact

733
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: point that I'm making, Jeff, and I agree with your assessment.

734
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: I think they look at the fact that this offense

735
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: does have some pieces that certainly proved they could be productive.

736
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Speaker 1: But not only did they score the most points in

737
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: the NFC East, they also gave up the most points

738
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: in which which just goes to show you why the

739
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: quarterback alan doesn't win and lose games. You need another

740
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: side of the ball. You need also good special teams,

741
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: as you can attest to, Jeff, and which by the way,

742
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: they played very well last year. Was definitely three special

743
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: teams units going from dead last into the top three

744
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: in the in the league last year. So those two

745
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: we always talk about the three components of the game.

746
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: You know, those two improved obviously in the second half

747
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: of the season. The offensive portion of it did the

748
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: first half was not very good. But yeah, so you know,

749
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: improving on the defense. That's where they're gonna go, folks,

750
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: They're going defense that you have to that defense was

751
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: the offense did enough to win some games last year,

752
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: the defense just could not stop the other team from score.

753
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: Were in the last two minutes of it staring during

754
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. I mean, how many games do we

755
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: need to, Jeff, where you had a lead late and

756
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden something was coughed up. And

757
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: even in a game, by the way, that they beat

758
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: Chicago here at home in overtime. They gave up a

759
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: lead late, remember that fourth overtime. So that's another game

760
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: that I would throw into the mix, and then you know,

761
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: you take it the consideration. The Indianapolis game in the

762
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: Dallas game, those were the last two games of the

763
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: regular season. We could give you at least four or

764
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: five games. You gotta Atlanta. They gave up a late

765
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: touchdown too. Do you look at the Dallas game, you're

766
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, the season was over by then.

767
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: You're kind of glad you lost that because you're picking

768
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: six supposed to I think it would have been eleven

769
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: if the Giant could have won that game. Yeah, you know,

770
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: so being six and ten rather than five and eleven

771
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, you know, he's okay, that's uh,

772
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: that's okay. But but the defense, the defense did not

773
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: hold up their end of the of the bargain as

774
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: far as getting these teams off the field and winning

775
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: the game in the fourth quarter, which means the Giants

776
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: are going into this offseason saying it's not just one

777
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: player that we bring in and all of a sudden,

778
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: the defense is great it's gonna take some work, but

779
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a combination Jeff, of free agency in

780
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: the draft. And that's why then you have to start

781
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: to factor in the money. Okay, if we have this

782
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: amount of money locked up with one or two defensive players,

783
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: are we going to be able to address the other

784
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: various needs that we have across the board, which maybe

785
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: we need another starting safety Jeff, Okay, we need additional

786
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: pass rushers. We may need another cornerback, depending on how

787
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: free agency plays out, linebacking help you do? Okay, So

788
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: I just named four positions, and that's how then the

789
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: thought process becomes. Are we maximizing the value of our

790
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: cap with X amount of dollars locked up with just

791
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: one position? That's how those conversations play out. Two zero, one, five,

792
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: one three. Let's head back to the phone lines. James

793
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: is in New River. James, Welcome to the Big Blue

794
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: Kick Off Live. What do you have for us? Hey?

795
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing today? James? What's on your mind? Good?

796
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on something that Jeff was talking about, Um,

797
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, with the defense, I kind of agree that

798
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: there needs to be a lot of work there and

799
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: I think the fan base is pretty confused, as we

800
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: need to work on the defense, then why are we

801
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: litting one of the defensive leaders leaves? And what's frustrating

802
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: about that is that a quarterback is ranked in the

803
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: bottom have to lead the last three years in total

804
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: q q b R if you had easy not over

805
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: twelve percent on our salary cap. So we can't afford

806
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: to sign a guy like Landon Collins, which is what

807
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: leads into the bigger discussions of well, maybe we need

808
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: to cut over to clear up some space, and you know,

809
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: then here's creating holes on more holes on the defense.

810
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: But if you don't go on the defensive side of

811
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: the ball, then the only asset we have is Odell Beckham,

812
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: which means that we'd have to sacrifice O'Dell essentially to

813
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: keep Eli Manning at his current number. But yet there's

814
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: no no discussions going on about Eli taking a pay cut,

815
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: and it's just we've been getting served crap for the

816
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: past you know, five out a six years, and um,

817
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, no one knows the direction. You know that

818
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: the team won't say that this is rebuild. But well,

819
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: but James, I gotta I gotta just jump in here again. James,

820
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta jump in here again in terms

821
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: of the term rebuilding, and it's something that Jeff and

822
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: I went back and forth. Teams are constantly retooling. So

823
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: this terminology that it's rebuilding. Your roster is always in flux.

824
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Your roster is always changing. You're bringing in young guys,

825
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: you're parting ways with free agents. So this is not

826
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: like in the NBA, where if you lose two superstars, Okay,

827
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: maybe it's a true rebuilding, it's retooling. In the NFL,

828
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: there's always make sense, though, is to cut Eli Manning

829
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: and use the salary to retain your young players. You

830
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: don't keep Eli Manning so that you can go seven

831
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: and nine next year at best. Well, but we don't

832
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: know how the season he does. He doesn't want to.

833
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: James James First, James James, in fairness, do you know

834
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: the conversations that the front office has had with Eli Manning.

835
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: I only know what he Gettleman puts out and fully

836
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Speaker 1: in support of having Eli Manning in Uh. You know,

837
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: money has never been James, money has never been thrown.

838
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: The organization can can tell that. Then we're in complete denial. Well,

839
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: James will let you go on that note and appreciate

840
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: the phone call. And Jeff, this goes back to what

841
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: you said at the top of the show about Dave

842
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: Gettleman is not going to lay out his exact game plan.

843
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: There have been statements between Gettleman and more so with

844
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer when they just spoke at the combine, Jeff,

845
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: where they said that right now the plan is Eli

846
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: Manning is going to be the starting quarterback. There's been

847
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: no conversations about money and what Eli Manning is gonna

848
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: take up with respect to the cap. But we're not

849
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: privy to those discussions. So you know, when people call

850
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: up and they claim, well they want him back and

851
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna be back at this number, we have no

852
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: idea what's being discussed behind closed doors, whether it's been

853
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: thrown out to Eli, would you be open to taking

854
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: a pac up. Nobody knows whether any of those conversations

855
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: are happening, and it's possible it may happen. It's possible

856
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: it may not. But to call in and be definitive

857
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: that you know what number this player is going to

858
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: be on the roster, I think it's completely misleading. I

859
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: will tell you what they do have in mind they

860
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: they have a plan. They haven't they have plan A, B,

861
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: C all the way down to maybe F that if

862
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: this player comes available and we're up against the cap,

863
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: where you have to go to this player to ask

864
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: for a pay cut, or we release him, or we renegotiate,

865
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: we can extend contracts. Don't worry about the cap. I

866
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: can tell you right now that what do you have

867
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: to worry about is cash C A s H, not

868
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: C A p Okay. If the team has the cash

869
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: to play that, that's when you can. You can you

870
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: can get some players in here. The cap can be manipulated, folks.

871
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: It can be manipulated, manipulated every single day. There's actually

872
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: there's some of these people that watch this stuff. Seven

873
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: as far as the cap goes, now, you can go

874
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: to players. You can go to It doesn't even have

875
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: to be so much Eli. You could go to Nate

876
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: Solder who just signed a deal last year and renegotiate

877
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: his deal. Okay, So that's why I'm saying that a

878
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: lot of ways to to create money under the cap. Okay,

879
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: what you gotta do is you have to have a plan,

880
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: and their plan is is what we're not gonna know

881
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: what it is until it starts to take shape here.

882
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: Once you also have the new you have the new

883
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: league year coming, so things happen after the league years starts.

884
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: You have June one cuts. Those are other things that

885
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: you can save money with. So there's so many different

886
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: things that are gonna come down the pike here in

887
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: the next two weeks when the new league year starts

888
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: and free agency starts. Were a little ways from the

889
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: from the draft, but these are the things you have

890
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: to look on the forefront, and these are gonna kind

891
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: of give some shape and form to your roster, in

892
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: your cap number and everything else. By the way, just

893
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: to put things in perspective, I'm looking at quarterback salaries

894
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Jeff so Eli Manning right now,

895
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: entering two thousand nineteen is number Let's see one, two, three, four,

896
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: or five, six, seven, eight, nine, eleven, twelve, thirteen highest

897
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: paid quarterback based on average annual salary. This is that list.

898
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: So if you look at some of the guys in

899
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: front to Vlon Manning, Matt Ryan is number two. Falcons

900
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs, Kirk Cousins is number three. Vikings

901
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. Jimmy Garoppolo's number four Niners didn't

902
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Matt Stafford's number five the Lions didn't

903
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Derek Carr six the Raiders didn't make

904
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Alex Smith on the Redskins is in the

905
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: top ten. They didn't make the playoffs. So you know,

906
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: to make the claim, well, look at the amount of

907
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: money that the quarterbacks eating up and the team results

908
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: haven't been positive. If you look across the NFL landscape,

909
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: everyone has basically had to pay their quarterback Jeff as

910
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: a result of the market. And there's a lot of

911
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: teams right now that are saying to themselves, boy, we've

912
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: got a lot of money locked up with r QB

913
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: and we got no postseason appearance last season. At the chauffeur,

914
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: you know what, the position in itself depending on who

915
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: you are. I mean, if you have a young quarterback

916
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: that you just drafted, let's just say he's a Jared Goff,

917
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna be at the lower end because

918
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: he's he's he's on a rookie contrant, a roof course,

919
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: So take all the rookies out of there and then

920
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: kind of move it up. Listen, the going rate for

921
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: a quarterback is gonna be twenty three to thirty million.

922
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: That's where it is right now, so you know. And

923
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, you're gonna say, well, we're gonna draft a

924
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: guy and then have him play or you know, go out,

925
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: and it's just you gotta understand about the money and

926
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: each But we talked about it earlier. Every position is

927
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: allocated a certain amount of percentage of them of the cap,

928
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: and so I just feel that this team doesn't want

929
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: to quit on what they developed last year at the

930
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: end of the season offensively, and I I will tell

931
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: you there's listen, is there there's gonna be a time when, yes,

932
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: there's gonna needs to be a new quarterback for the

933
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: New York Giants. There really is. I mean, unfortunately, you

934
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: can't play forever, okay, and Eli can't play forever, and

935
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: this team is gonna have to make a decision go

936
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: in a different, different scenario. But the fact is that

937
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: the whole problem behind being five and eleven. Yeah, he's

938
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: not Eli manning. It's defense. Their defense was horrible last year, folks,

939
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: and so let's improve there. You got a little bit

940
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: of excitement about what the offense can do. I mean,

941
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: you gotta put number thirteen back on the field, and

942
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: that's even better. So all of it isn't number ten's fault.

943
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: Yes it was some of it. Yes, he didn't play

944
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: very good in those first eight games of the season,

945
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: and the offense didn't do well. But I mean I

946
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: think that that Dave Gentleman and Pat Shermer certainly think

947
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: that Eli Manning has another year. And now there's a

948
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: conversation we keep hearing it. Well, if you think he

949
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: has another year, then okay, so why are we why

950
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: for seven and nine? What was it good? What? You

951
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: don't know they're gonna be seven? You know, you have

952
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: no idea for No GM's going in saying, oh, we're

953
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, ten and six or nine and seven.

954
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: They're just confident that they put together a roster that's

955
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna be competitive. I don't think anybody goes in with

956
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: an exact ballpark number. You want to do some homework,

957
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: go back and look at some of the turnarounds in

958
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: the last five years in the NFL from worst to first,

959
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: and things like that happens very often. Especially, it happens

960
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: very often teams can get back to the play off

961
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: and not saying that they're gonna go thirteen and three

962
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: next year. But the fact is is that we know

963
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a new division winner, most likely

964
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: in this division, because this is the way it's gone

965
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: for the last like ten years. Every year there's somebody different.

966
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: So um and yes, am I supporting Eli Manning. I

967
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: am because I feel like he does have one year

968
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: left and I don't know what the Giants are gonna

969
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: draft somebody. If they do, then sit him behind Eli

970
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Manning and let him learn. The guy's a Hall of

971
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: Fame quarterback. What better present for a guy that you're

972
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: gonna draft is gonna be your franchise quarterback going for

973
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: a long time, to sit behind a Hall of famer

974
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: and learn from him. Even if Eli doesn't want to

975
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: do it, I mean he might. You might Eli might say, hey,

976
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. Well, he's choice. He's worked with

977
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: a number of young quarterbacks, so I'd be very surprised

978
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: to see him be against that. He and all it

979
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: takes is you just have to hang around Eli Manning.

980
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: He's the first in the building, in the last to leave.

981
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna you're gonna watch how he how

982
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: he works, He's gonna walk, how watch how he does

983
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: preparation for during the week, what he does them Mondays, Tuesday's, Wednesday's,

984
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: all the way up to the game. And so those

985
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: are some very good things. Look at you, look at you.

986
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: Even Alex Tanney and and Liotta days, guys learned from

987
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: Eli last year. They definitely did. Davis remember what he

988
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: said how much he learned from Eli man when he

989
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: left the building. He was on his side every single

990
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: day of the week. But I mean, for God's six,

991
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean we gotta get yeah, and Olivia Vernon Okay, yeah,

992
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: he gets after the pass rut, he gets after the quarterback.

993
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: But you know what he's he's the availability. He's been

994
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: hurt a lot. He gets hurt a lot. I mean,

995
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: it's funny because when he was a free agent, he

996
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: never got hurt. He didn't miss games coming to when

997
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: he was in. That's why we were like, oh my god,

998
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: this guy is just you know, he's healthy as a goad.

999
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: He's just gonna come in here. He's gonna play in

1000
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: the next thing. You know. Um. Also, Landon Collins, you know,

1001
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: he the first two years he didn't miss a game,

1002
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, now he's you know, it's

1003
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: not that he got so much older, he's only twenty five,

1004
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: but you know he those injuries sometimes in ending surgeries

1005
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: each the last two years. That's right. I mean, in fairness,

1006
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: the safety position takes the bulk of the hits, but

1007
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: it still is valid tackler on your team. That's a

1008
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: lot of hits. It's a lot of hits, and um,

1009
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you have to make a decision. There

1010
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: is no perfect science to any of this, and there's

1011
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: no perfect answers to any of this. This is all

1012
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: about um evaluation, it's all about philosophy, and it's all

1013
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: about decision making from management. That no, none of us,

1014
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: none of us know the formula there. They've got it

1015
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: all upstairs under lock and key. We're just gonna have

1016
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And some of it's right, some

1017
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: of it's wrong. But no one person in the organization

1018
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: or the fans or us are correcting what we say,

1019
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Let's head back to the phone lines.

1020
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: We've got four calls. We want to try to give

1021
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: everybody an opportunity, so we're gonna try to move quickly

1022
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: here to zero one four or five one three? Lenn

1023
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Is in Columbia, Maryland. What's happening, hey, guys? How you

1024
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: doing good? Right? First of all, quick quick comment on

1025
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: the combine. Um, awful lot of staggeringly great athletic ability

1026
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: on display at that combine. I mean, just some just

1027
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: just just some unbelievable performances there. Hopefully you translate to

1028
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: the football field. But you've got to feel pretty good

1029
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: about what's going to be there at six and all

1030
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: the way up into the early part of uh you know,

1031
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: around four after that, you know you're guessing pretty much.

1032
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: But I think we're going to get some I think

1033
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna get some players out of the strap and

1034
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: that's certainly going to help us. Listen, come in on Colins,

1035
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: come in on, Manny, and I'll make him. I'll try

1036
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: to make him quick. Um. I would I would like

1037
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: to see the Giants, in some shape manner reform bring

1038
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: Collins back next year. Now if there's an injury concern

1039
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: and you know this might be playing into it two,

1040
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 1: you know that shoulder might not be right, and maybe

1041
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: the Giants don't want to commit to that, but I

1042
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: for one would like Collins back and let me let

1043
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: me tell a very simple reason why. I let I

1044
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: want Colins back, and Jeff, you just alluded to it

1045
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: about two minutes ago. He gets people on the ground

1046
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: and and that's that's what defense is all about. The

1047
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: play doesn't end until you get the guy on the ground.

1048
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: And I mean if you look at the number of

1049
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: tackles over a four year period of time, I mean,

1050
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: you know you want to talk about Adrian Amals from

1051
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: the Bears, I mean, he can't compare a number of

1052
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: tackles and he played the whole season. Last year, Collins

1053
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: only played twelve games. I mean, now, if you don't value,

1054
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: if you don't value with that as part of your defense,

1055
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just throw the hands up in

1056
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: the earth. Jeff. I think it's about getting the guy

1057
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: on the ground. Okay, do you have any comment? You

1058
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: have any comment on that? There's no question when you're

1059
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: leading tackler is your guy, that leading tackler means something, right,

1060
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: It has a definition. If you're going to lose that guy,

1061
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: who's who is your next leading tackler behind Landing Collins?

1062
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: I would say it's going to have to be a cornerback.

1063
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't know a tree last year, I think it was. Yeah,

1064
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: Collins had ninety six Ogle three at ninety three, And

1065
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: you're right, Collins has been extremely consistent. He's been Remember

1066
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: he only played twelve games. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,

1067
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: if you don't get the guy on the ground scores,

1068
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: it weren't trouble. And that's why if they do let

1069
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: him go, there's another team that likes a guy that

1070
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: can tackle. That's why you're gonna get a good deal.

1071
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there is. There is a huge drop off

1072
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: um in the free agents. Yeah, in the free agencies,

1073
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: a safety particular at at that position, Collins's position, He's

1074
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna hit it. I mean what you want to drop to?

1075
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: You want to you want to go try to steal

1076
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: Adrian a Most away from the beer the Bears going

1077
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: every mean, go ahead, but I mean it. You know,

1078
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: you're talking about guys that play the other position, who

1079
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: were in that safety. So between Thomas is You're right,

1080
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Thomas is gonna's gonna get his money. And you know what,

1081
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: unless there's an injury concerned, Collins is going to get

1082
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: big money. He's gonna get big money. It takes his

1083
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: one team, and it takes one, and also it takes

1084
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: one team and also takes a sub par group of players,

1085
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: which is he's he's mixed in. You know, these are great,

1086
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: great safety there's a lot of them this year, but

1087
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: the top two or or Thomas and Collins, so they're

1088
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: gonna get there. But try what else after that? As

1089
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned at that, I mean, you just

1090
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, movie the names we're talking about

1091
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: real quickly. Let me let me just say one thing.

1092
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: Can I say one thing? Just one thing? On Eli? Yeah? Um,

1093
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: that conversation with Dave Gettleman at the end of the season.

1094
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: Let's not be so sure if nobody really knows and

1095
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: this is just my guests, but let's let's not be

1096
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: so sure that that was a one way conversation of

1097
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: Gettleman talking to Eli. I have a hunch of Eli.

1098
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: I have a hunch of Eli playing seven years and

1099
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: taking the beating that he has on the field and

1100
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: also not want to end his career that way. Was

1101
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: was talking eyeball to eyeball with MS the coopman about

1102
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: what the plan was to get better players on this field.

1103
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to go out this way.

1104
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: What are you going to pay him, but I wouldn't

1105
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: want to go out this way, and if we go

1106
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: want too whether we've drafted at a quarterback or not. Man,

1107
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: you know what it's going to be like, he like takes,

1108
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: He like takes, you know, too much of the burden

1109
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: of the three and thirteen in the five and eleven.

1110
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: Let's get some players on the field and win some games. Hey,

1111
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: thanks for absolutely. I can't disagree that. I'm sure that

1112
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: it was a two way conversation that we're both sides

1113
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: have things to think about. Following that discussion, let's head

1114
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: back to the lines. Charlie is in Portland's main Charlie,

1115
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: what you got for us? Hey, guys, real quick, Hey, Jeff,

1116
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: you've been talking about like our defense is so horrible

1117
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: and then that's where we need to fix it. Well,

1118
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: you can't get rid of your two best players and

1119
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: do that. Well, you can't let Collins go, you can't

1120
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: let Ovi go. And let me say something else, Gettleman said.

1121
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: This is what he said. He says, I don't believe

1122
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: in restructuring contracts because I don't want to kick the

1123
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: can down the road. So he just told all the

1124
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: other thirty one GMS that O V is gonna get released,

1125
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: So why would anybody in their right mind prayed for

1126
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: him and take on that salary. That is stupid. That

1127
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: was the stupidest thing he ever said, because he just

1128
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: gave away any leverage that he has. Well, but keep

1129
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: in mind, Charlie, you know you don't necessarily give away

1130
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: everything in a press conference. He made that statement, and

1131
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: I get your point, and it's a valid point. You

1132
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: brought up that he may not be a fan of that.

1133
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean know that he's completely against doing that.

1134
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: Those are two different things. May not be find of

1135
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: doing it often, that doesn't mean he's completely against restructuring

1136
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: a contract. Come on, he found pretty uh, you know,

1137
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: adamant about it. That what that wasn't one of his

1138
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: arrows in his quiver that he was gonna use. And

1139
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: it's the insanity. I mean, if I was Eli Manning

1140
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: and I looked at what Geleman is gonna do, you

1141
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: let we have a Pro Bowl player, all Pro player,

1142
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. We finally draft right, We finally

1143
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: draft right, and we're gonna let the guy walk. It

1144
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: is insanity. It is totally insanity. For eleven million dollars.

1145
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: That is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, you know, and it may

1146
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: be a little bit more, but the guy is worth it.

1147
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to get another safety to go

1148
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: with him, not get rid of him. Now we're gonna

1149
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: need to safety get rid of o Be Now we

1150
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: need two or three more you know, rushing edge rushers.

1151
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's insanity, you know. If if this is

1152
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: what gentleman is doing, the demolitioning this this team, and

1153
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous, and ELI should ask for his release because

1154
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: they're not going to win more than five or six

1155
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: games again next year. That's all I got to say.

1156
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: Appreciate the vocal, I got it, you know again, they're

1157
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: all great points. And nobody's you know, nobody knows what

1158
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: the answer is here. All I can say to combat

1159
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: what's going on with this. If you take Olivia Vernon

1160
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: and you're gonna pay Landing Collins thirteen million a year, Okay, dude,

1161
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: that's like seventeen eight percent of your cap and those

1162
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: two players. So and what is the on top of

1163
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: the ELI? Okay? So, what is the vision of all

1164
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: these young all these players are the gams. It's go

1165
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: young young players through the draft. It doesn't cost you

1166
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: a lot of money. So when you don't have a

1167
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: lot of money, I keep telling you it's about cash.

1168
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: We don't have the money. It's hard to keep these guys.

1169
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense. No, you're exactly what Charlie said. You're

1170
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of your best pass rusher and your

1171
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: best your best tackler and your only safety. All prove

1172
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: years old. But they're expendable because of their their cap numbers.

1173
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: Unfortunately they're that good. But they're gonna cost you too

1174
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: much money. You've drafted right, yes you did, and unfortunately

1175
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: you've got a great player. You would like to keep them.

1176
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: If this was two thousand sixteen, we wouldn't be talking

1177
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: about Landon Collins having to be let Oh, they would

1178
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: franchise him in a minute, or he would have already

1179
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: had a long term deal. Because you remember in two

1180
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen how much money they spent or was

1181
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: it fifteen two hundred million dollars leading into the two

1182
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: thousand million dollars on about three dfent giants as of today,

1183
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: and this is not official, but just from reading what

1184
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: it's like, they're they're around thirty million or something. I

1185
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but it's not a lot

1186
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: of money. Well that's why Gettleman is forced to create space.

1187
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: There's a result of what happened a few years prior.

1188
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: And you go to your top players. Now, wha, why

1189
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: aren't you going to Elive? Why aren't you going to Eli?

1190
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: He's making twenty three million? Where don't you go to Ely?

1191
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: And Okay, go find me another quarterback that's gonna be

1192
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: less than twenty three million that you're gonna feel comfortable

1193
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: with for a year. I mean, ELI is not gonna

1194
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: be here in three years. You may not be here

1195
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: in two years, right, Am I making sense? It's it's

1196
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: a tough thing to swallow, but it's there's this. It's

1197
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to understand how all this is working.

1198
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: And you know that I keep saying that there's a plan.

1199
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: Let's see the plan. I can't wait to see and

1200
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: how it's how it works out? And the other thing

1201
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: real quickly before we head back to the lines that

1202
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention, Charlie said, you know, why would

1203
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: you say that you don't want to restructure contracts because

1204
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, teams are not gonna want

1205
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: to trade for a player. First of all, when you

1206
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: trade a player, sometimes you kick in money, and that

1207
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: still makes it appealing for them to acquire a player

1208
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: because they then don't have to upset all of the salary.

1209
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: Of course, you need to have the flexibility, but they're

1210
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: still appealing ways for a team to trade, even though

1211
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: maybe they know the current team doesn't have a great

1212
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: deal of leverage. Russell is in Missouri. Russell Russell, Welcome

1213
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you got for us? Hey?

1214
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: What's going on? Yeah? I listened to this show yesterday

1215
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: and I hate when you and Pete dot was saying

1216
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: about Dwayne Haskins in these quarterbacks situations. Want to ask

1217
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: you this question right now, who's not record last year?

1218
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: Who's five and eleven? Who was a regular following year?

1219
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: It was also sub five, three and thirteen? We won,

1220
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: So our quarterback, this won eight games and he's making dollars. Well,

1221
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: the the team won eight games, and Russell, I'm not

1222
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna come on for you. The team won eight games.

1223
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: You know you could single it out to one quarterback.

1224
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: And this is not me trying to defend Elon Manny.

1225
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: That's the reality, Matt Ryan and the Falcons. You could

1226
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: argue Matt Ryan right now is playing at a higher level.

1227
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: Are we gonna say Matt Ryan only one and lost

1228
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: those games? Or did the Falcons winner lose those games?

1229
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Packers they make the playoffs? Are we

1230
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: are we bottling him up? Or we talk about the team? Alright? Cool,

1231
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, you're talking about the team. Has

1232
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan been to Super Bowl lately? Matt Ryan has

1233
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: the team has been to a super Bowl? Yes, Hey, listen, listen.

1234
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say my argument. I'm not saying Eli,

1235
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 1: but it's time to move on. It's time to draft

1236
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Well, and they do and Russell they can't

1237
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: do that game. They could do that and keep him

1238
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: on the Russell. You can achieve both of those things simultaneously.

1239
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: There's quarterback and drafting a guy. ELI needs to take

1240
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: a big in. They need to sign in a college.

1241
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old. He's all pulled that kind

1242
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: of that kind of upset of me is say, like,

1243
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: what are we doing? We're keeping the thirty eight year

1244
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: old quarterback who can't throw the ball past twenty yards?

1245
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me that that's a bit of h

1246
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: an overstatement. That a hyperbole there. If you go back

1247
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: Russell and appreciate the phone call, and you watch Eli

1248
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: Manning this season, to say that he can only throw

1249
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: the ball twenty yards down the field, I think it's

1250
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: a bit ridiculous and the facts don't necessarily pack that out.

1251
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,479
Speaker 1: I do know the land I do know the Landing

1252
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: Collins has never won a Super Bowl for the Giants.

1253
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, so you know, let's let's let's tread lightly.

1254
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: When you tell people about their own money, like they

1255
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: need to take a pay cut. I mean it's like

1256
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: me calling you and you need to packing pay cut. Yeah.

1257
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do for a living, but

1258
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: you need to take a pay cut. Absolutely. I mean, listen,

1259
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: what it is. What it is. Okay, we were allowed

1260
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and you're allowed to talk about it.

1261
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: But you know, when you start taking people's money away

1262
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: from them, be careful. It's it's easy to talk about

1263
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: somebody else's money, but when right million dollars and and

1264
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: by the way, how many quarterbacks across the league are

1265
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: taking pay cuts? How about somebody give me a tally

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Speaker 1: of every GM that goes to They'll give you ten

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Speaker 1: seconds to find me one that's taking a pay cut.

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Speaker 1: You will not come up with. You will not come

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Speaker 1: up with one. And I also do not want to

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Speaker 1: hear tom Brady's contract being thrown out because, by the way,

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Speaker 1: what people forget is Tom Brady gets incentives back in

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Speaker 1: what he doesn't get in salary. Nobody talks about easy incentives.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, once you make an incentive counts

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Speaker 1: against your cap next year, which inflates his number. So

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Speaker 1: then he takes a pay cut if you will, and

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: he gets it back and incentives the following year. So

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Speaker 1: there's not he's not taking a pay cut. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he's making more money because the incentives are so easily

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Speaker 1: reachable and they're in they're stupid numbers. Tom Brady, if

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Speaker 1: you throw for three thousand yards next year, we'll give

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Speaker 1: you a four million bucks. Okay, sign that one. I

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: might do that in the first six games. Kudos to

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Speaker 1: buy agents. All right, let's head back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: Last call of the program. Brian's in Virginia. Brian, when

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: got for us? What's going on? Last? What's going on? Big?

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01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: You got two thousand nineteen Outlook, here are you talking

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01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: about the computer program? Are you talking about the uh

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01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: the Giants? He wants to break down his email. Yea, Look,

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01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: I think the fan base really needs to pump the

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01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: bridge just a little bit. You know, we've you know,

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01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: we've made improvements. You know, we're coming from winning three

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Speaker 1: games in the past few seasons, and you know, there's

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: still life on the there's still life on Mars for

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01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: the Giants. This has stopped fixed the flat. You know,

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: this is an organization who've done it before. So you

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01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: have to trust their gentlements and and Shoon and Sherman's

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01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: college evaluation. You know, the second half of the season

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01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: is a testament to you know, what the Giants are

1299
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: trying to build, you know, the gym. You know, we

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01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: inherited bad contracts and the loss of culture after Tom Coflin,

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Speaker 1: and this is why we brought him get you know.

1302
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: So you know to two seasons ago we could have

1303
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: we couldn't score things. We couldn't score things two teams ago.

1304
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: Now this past season we scored the most points in

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: New Division. And yeah, with gn you know, if you're

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01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: looking at this draft, you gotta be excited about what

1307
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: you see. You know on the defense side of the ball.

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01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to build through the draft. If

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01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: you look at gut Niman's track record just in this

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: short time period, b J Hill, Marizzo Carner, Sean Shan,

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01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: Chandler Um, Corey Cortano Specials and you know, even a

1312
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: guy like you, Lija Penny. You know, we we we

1313
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: have guys in the building who can evaluate talent. So

1314
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: we need to pump the brakes this a little bit.

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01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: This organization has done it before, and we brought in

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: the guy who knows the history and who knows the

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01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: culture of the New York Giants. So let's just pump

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Speaker 1: the brakes and trust get him is doing. Let's build

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01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: in the draft, Let's evaluate what we have and let's

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01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: go forward. Stop. You know, I know everyone's paying attention

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01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: to what's you know, being said in the media, you know,

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01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: in particular about Eli Manning. But come on, guys, you

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01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: know Eli Manning has a proven track record and I

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: know this is you know, what have you done for

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01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: me lately type of lead. But you still have a

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01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: quarterback who can still get the job done it and

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: like you said, Atlants, this is a team. Date said, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: and listen, Brian, We're gonna let you go on that

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01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 1: now because we're up against the clock. Some really valid points.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that I wanted to add to

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Speaker 1: what Brian just said, Jeff, if you do look at

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01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: Gentleman's track record, as he mentioned Dave Gentleman, people forget

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01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: he became the general manager of the Panthers in two

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Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, and I'm not guaranteeing you that success is

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: going to be repeated here, but what I'm proving is

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: track record. He inherited, Jeff one of the worst salary

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01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: cap situations when he took over his general manager in

1338
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: Caroline and they were well over the salary cap, and

1339
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: little by little he cleaned it up. He had to

1340
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: make sacrifices, got renise improven veterans, he built it up

1341
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: in the draft, and they ultimately got to a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I am not saying that's automatically going to happen with

1343
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: the Giants. The point this is not uncharted territory for

1344
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman. He's unfortunately had to deal with these circumstances before.

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01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: And all I want to say. The last thing I'm

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01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna say about Elie We're not comparing Eli Manning here

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Speaker 1: to like a Blake Bortles. Okay, I mean Blake Bortles.

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Speaker 1: I can see if he's making twenty three million dollar,

1349
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: what have you done for me lately? Blake Bortles? Goodbye?

1350
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: He's I mean, Eli Manning is not a Blake boards.

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01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: Eli Manning can still play football. Blake Bortles is not

1352
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Speaker 1: a good quarterback. Okay, It's just just I'm just kind

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: of make a comparison and the two. As far as

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01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: I know that, elies at thirty eight, but he still

1355
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: has some good football left in him as long as

1356
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Speaker 1: like we said earlier, maybe that conversation with Dave Yentleman

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Speaker 1: was not so one sided. Maybe it was Eli saying, Dave,

1358
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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do for me? I'm coming back

1359
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: to play here. I need some help. You need to

1360
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: get a right tackle. We got a running back. We

1361
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: need to do this this. What are you gonna do

1362
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: for me to make two improvements? Because I'm getting slaughtered.

1363
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 1: I'm the scapegoat for this. I'm in the press every

1364
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: single day. Everybody hates me. But the bottom line is

1365
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Speaker 1: I'm a two time m v P of a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and I have two trophies in the case, and

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Speaker 1: I still have some football left. I mean, let's do it.

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01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 1: That's basically where they're coming from. And by the way,

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01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: built through the draft, Build through the draft, built through

1370
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Speaker 1: the draft. That's the name of the game for every team.

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Speaker 1: And one last note on the topic of quarterback Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Jeff is thirty eight years old. You

1373
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: know how many times the Chargers have made the playoffs.

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: They made it twice in the last nine years. For

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01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: those of you who are caught up on just the quarterback,

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01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: and you can argue are impressive more so than maybe Eli.

1377
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. He's right below Eli Manning in terms of

1378
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: average annual salaries. So Manning's thirteen, Rivers is fourteenth. The

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Speaker 1: Charges have made the playoffs twice in the last nine years.

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Speaker 1: And I think that Rivers is going to get a

1381
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,959
Speaker 1: new deal here. He is, He's due for more money.

1382
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: So you know, it's all about perspective. It's not just

1383
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: the giants on an island. When you look at the

1384
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: rest of the league. Well, that is gonna wrap things

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01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: up for us or great calls. Sorry we didn't get

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01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: any tweets. We'll try to answer you off the air.

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Speaker 1: win amazing Giants prices, prizes. Excuse me, Jeff, A pleasure

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Speaker 1: as I get those words out of my mouth. Thanks

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: to you the listeners for tuning in. Big Blue Kickoff

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