WEBVTT - The Acolyte Episode 8: Jedi Council, Assemble!

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for The Acolyte, the entire season,

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<v Speaker 1>Revenge of the Sith, other Star Wars titles. Just listen

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<v Speaker 1>watch the Applyte Funt finale before you listen to this. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is Jaysconcepcion and I'm creeping around the corner

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<v Speaker 1>like out to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Plate, and I'm Rosie Night and I'm stroking crime his

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<v Speaker 2>thumb on his light.

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<v Speaker 3>Save us softly as the sun sets.

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<v Speaker 1>And welcome back to ext Revision of the podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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<v Speaker 1>pop culture. Coming here from my Heart Podcasts, where we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Who In today's episode in the Airlock, we're gonna speed

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<v Speaker 2>recap the finale of the Acolyte.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we're gonna bring.

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<v Speaker 2>In the harm We're bringing in the Jedi Council. We're

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<v Speaker 2>bringing in the X Ray Vision crew.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone needs that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't make it because it's eight hundred and sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>but the everyone, the rest of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ebo, Aaron, Everyone's coming in to talk about this show.

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<v Speaker 2>We're also going to be ranking our favorite live action

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars series. You were doing it in the discord,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to do it here and in all

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<v Speaker 2>what if section, we're gonna say, what's the best version

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<v Speaker 2>of the Acolyte in your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>How would you have made.

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<v Speaker 2>This the perfect show that lived up to the highs

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<v Speaker 2>that we got in certain episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>But first, we're gonna speed recap it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're stepping out of the air lock now to speed

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<v Speaker 1>recap the finale of The Acolyte.

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<v Speaker 3>Thankfully.

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<v Speaker 2>We begin as May fights our way out of ever

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<v Speaker 2>creepier Soul's grasp, and the pair kind of battle their

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<v Speaker 2>way back to Brendock.

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<v Speaker 3>They fly through an epic asteroid belt.

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<v Speaker 2>I was feeling a lot of money in this moment,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money in this episode. I was happy

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<v Speaker 2>to see that helped May even though she'd mind wiped him.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the same, Pip? I'm not sure, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, she helped him. He helped her when he

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<v Speaker 2>needed it.

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<v Speaker 3>And Saul, I'm pretty sure he was gonna shoot May out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the sky because he has truly lost it, but

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<v Speaker 2>luckily Basil sabotaged his ship.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a huge Basil fan.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like he's a bit of a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a snitch, but in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>He was right.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my issue with Basil. He needs to fucking stand

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<v Speaker 1>on it. I'm saying, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing, Basil,

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and then don't fucking run away.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, stand there.

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<v Speaker 1>And take the consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're I'm saying, like, if he was just there, stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop doing shit and then scurrying.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, he's always right because he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there when Soul, an adult man, stunned May and

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<v Speaker 2>like tied her to a table, and then he was

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<v Speaker 2>just like e and like ra, you know, and here

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<v Speaker 2>he does, I'm guessing, want to stop Soul from killing May,

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<v Speaker 2>which is good, but then also I see him later

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<v Speaker 2>back on his snitch behavior. So anyway, Soul lands on

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<v Speaker 2>Brenda turns on his transponder, and we go to a

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<v Speaker 2>cozy cave where a pair of young would be lovers

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<v Speaker 2>are learning the Force. Osha is in Kaima's helmet. Kaimer

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<v Speaker 2>tries to get her out of the helmet because she

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be having struggle breathing. Then he gets sucked

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<v Speaker 2>into like a weird dark side world.

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<v Speaker 3>Jason, what did you think, Bob? I think, what's happening

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<v Speaker 3>in this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure to be honest with you, but it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, well, there must be some other force, for

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<v Speaker 1>lack of a better word, behind what we're seeing right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed there was.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed there was, because as Osha and Kaimer discover that

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<v Speaker 2>you know where May is and that she's gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>and find May because she wants to stop May, because

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<v Speaker 2>she had a vision of the future where May's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>kill Soul and she's holding the lightsaber and she's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>kill it without a weapon. And Kim is like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see that, because that's been my

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<v Speaker 2>whole mission for the whole show.

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<v Speaker 1>I really, I really got to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be He's like, that's important to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So they decide they're gonna leave, and because they both

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<v Speaker 2>obviously have massive crashes on each other, they don't just

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<v Speaker 2>like kill, they don't get into a fight.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just like, let's go together.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though I want to save my sister and you

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<v Speaker 2>want to like turn her to the dark side, Let's

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<v Speaker 2>just go on a nice trip together.

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<v Speaker 3>And as they leave the island, we see.

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<v Speaker 2>A mysteriousness Faratu esque figure, his little creepy hands sliding

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<v Speaker 2>out the door, his little face in a little hood.

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<v Speaker 3>Just coming out the creepy cave. Who could that be?

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's yeah, they have Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>They have yet to confirm it, but it is quite

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<v Speaker 2>clearly the mun alien dark plagist who in legends and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of implied in canon.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the teacher and master of Palpatine.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it seems like is a significant peeping tom

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<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 4>Like what a weirdness, especially because.

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<v Speaker 3>Like oh Shan kaim are having a lot of chemistry,

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<v Speaker 3>this man is likely keeep it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, let me get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>So why isn't I feel like maybe he's weakened my

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<v Speaker 2>theory because if look, we all know about the rule

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<v Speaker 2>of two, so this is kind of not fitting along

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<v Speaker 2>with that. So maybe Kaimuth thought he'd killed him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like recovering, because why wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>You just go out there and like follow them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good Maybe he's recovering. Yeah, he's recovering.

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<v Speaker 2>We then go to Chorissant, which, by the way, like

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<v Speaker 2>probably should have been her earlier in the season.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, more more.

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<v Speaker 2>Often, more often, there should have been more This is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best scenes in the episode. We get

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<v Speaker 2>British acting legend David Harewood. He is confronting Venestra and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, bro, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Jedi, they got problems. This is actually one of my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite lines in the whole series though.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, you guys are always acting like you've got

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<v Speaker 2>power over the uncontrollable and she's like, we don't try

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<v Speaker 2>and control the force. And he's like, no, your emotions

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, whoa, if people had been listening to this, senator,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jedi probably wouldn't have got into so much trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, we need to audit the you lot

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<v Speaker 2>of causing problems. I'm hearing there's like a murder investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going bad.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, really he's saying everything that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of us have been saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is what we've been talking about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about this for a while and all series.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like he's doing great jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you know, everybody makes it to Brendoc and there

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<v Speaker 2>are some extremely great fight sequences. We get some Jedi slow.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom amazing, we get amazing Usia.

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<v Speaker 2>We get some really cool lightsaber action with Sol and Klimer.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we get some really cool hand to hand force

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<v Speaker 2>fighting with May and Osha in one of the coolest

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<v Speaker 2>fight scenes in the season, kind of really building on

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw with Ezra in a Soca in this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of new hand to hand force fighting style. But

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<v Speaker 2>May and Osha they just can't get their shit together.

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<v Speaker 2>Osha has been too brainwashed by Saul. May just wants

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<v Speaker 2>her to believe the truth that Soul killed mother Anna Sayer,

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<v Speaker 2>which we know because we watched a flashback episode. And

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately she tricks Saul into telling into confessing in front

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<v Speaker 2>of Osha that he did it. And then, oh baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Osha is so angry. She likes her anger confuse her.

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<v Speaker 2>All the anger she was never able to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reason she had to quit the Jedi. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>she was too angry. And she says the Soul stop speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>and as she does, she's choking him.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it Is it the origin of the force choke?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say probably not, because the Sith were around

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<v Speaker 2>like two thousand years before this, but it is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time we've seen it in this era.

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<v Speaker 3>She begins to choke him and as she does so,

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<v Speaker 3>and this.

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<v Speaker 2>Was I thought very cool, especially as someone who loves

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<v Speaker 2>Kaiber Crystal law. She picks up Soul's old lightsaber and

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<v Speaker 2>it is the Crystal's already cracked the Kaiber crystal, and

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<v Speaker 2>we see for the first time on screen how a

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<v Speaker 2>Scith or a would be sith with what we call

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<v Speaker 2>bully a lightsaber, which is where their anger and their

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<v Speaker 2>fury and their hate corrupts it and changes it from

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<v Speaker 2>the light side color of blue or yellow or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>in this case blue to red, and we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>see the battle on the blade between the blue and

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<v Speaker 2>the red, but ultimately the red winds and Osha kills

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<v Speaker 2>saul In in quite a bleat fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>At the beginning of this he's like, yeah, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>do it. I've had enough eye suck.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the beginning of the episode there was actually

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<v Speaker 2>like a warning that says something like intense violence or

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<v Speaker 2>extreme violence, and we were in the discord and we

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<v Speaker 2>were really wondering what that would be, and we post

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the episode. I do think it was

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<v Speaker 2>this scene because for Disney Bluff, it is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gruesome because you see this man get choked to death.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the Jedi come.

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<v Speaker 2>In and so Osha and May and Kaimera are like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh what do we do? Like can't see the Jedi,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even though as in pre production Jason made

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<v Speaker 2>a great point, the Jedi are eager to cover this up.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't wait for this case thing over. They tried

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<v Speaker 1>to cover it up years ago. They don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be looking into it now they it's done, There will

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<v Speaker 1>be no one investigating this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, wha it comes next is probably not necessary, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe is narratively necessary to set up the show and

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<v Speaker 2>keep it in the timelines. But May and Osha and

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<v Speaker 2>Kaimer have a deep conversation, and Osha and May decide

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing they can do is wipe May's memory

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<v Speaker 2>so that the Jedi won't remember. You know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I was saying this to Joel, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>what actually the reason they had to do this is

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<v Speaker 2>because narratively, at this time, the Jedi am not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to know this if exists. So I think they had

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<v Speaker 2>to wipe the memory of anyone who could be a

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<v Speaker 2>witness in this case May because she was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be found back into.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jedi fold.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that was more of a timeline issue

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<v Speaker 2>because narratively, I feel like you guys could have just

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<v Speaker 2>run away.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that they just run away the dark side.

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<v Speaker 1>You're looking burning corps like there's no one looking anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's done.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys could have just gone and lived in your happy,

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<v Speaker 2>little weird sister.

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<v Speaker 3>So they wipe the mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very sad, and the Jedi come klime it and

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<v Speaker 2>Osha head off. May gets picked up by Vanestra. Phil

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<v Speaker 2>like they didn't think that through. I feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>could have dropped her off somewhere else in the outer

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<v Speaker 2>rim or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Gets picked up by Vnestra doesn't remember her sister. We

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<v Speaker 3>see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Venestra just solidly throws Soul under the bus, goes to

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<v Speaker 2>the Jedi Council.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, bro, this guy was crazy. He did some

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<v Speaker 3>dodgy shit a long time ago, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he went and he killed his fellow Jedi.

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<v Speaker 3>You believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that a deep, deep mistake in this plan,

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<v Speaker 2>because surely you want to like let them know that

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<v Speaker 2>there's some kind of issue. But anyway, David Hayward is like, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>we gotta do the Jedi audit now. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shenanigans they're getting up to. Jedis are going

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<v Speaker 2>on murders. Wh It's not going well. We then see

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<v Speaker 2>o Shirt and Kaimer and they're looking out very AO

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<v Speaker 2>three moment here. I know Leslie is a fanfit girlie

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. They're looking out at the sunset. Ohsh's holding

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<v Speaker 2>her newly red corrupted sift lightsaber, and Kimer puts his

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<v Speaker 2>hand over hers and does a little thumb touch, touches

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<v Speaker 2>the thumb.

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<v Speaker 3>On the thumb. Oh baby, I was screaming, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna lie. They got me with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, just in case you weren't sure that Vanestra did

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<v Speaker 2>not have a very good instincts, after lying to the

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<v Speaker 2>Jedi Council, she calls somebody up. Sounds like she's talking

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe Senator Intern Palpatine. I'm not sure, but that

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<v Speaker 2>is a worthwhile mention that it could be a young Palpi.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she goes to see Yoda, who, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>is already like eight hundred years old. At this point.

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<v Speaker 3>My man is get tired. We see the back of

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<v Speaker 3>his head. She's like, we need to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>My reading of that is there is some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>higher Jedi council than the Jedi Council, some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sea group that is trying to see if the dark

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<v Speaker 2>side rises.

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<v Speaker 3>But honestly, spoiler a lot, guys, it's it's not gonna work.

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<v Speaker 3>We've said, we've seen what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, at this point, I think it's just Vnestra and

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<v Speaker 1>Yoda being like, you know, Vnestra going to Yoda to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey.

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<v Speaker 4>We fucked up again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, She's like I basically the ability.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so you know, I fucked up again. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to burn several corpses and pin the whole thing on Saul,

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<v Speaker 1>that thing you know, wink wink that we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>a while back, And uh, I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>With the Oh and by the way, now May the

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<v Speaker 2>twin sister, the twin Force child who all this was about,

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<v Speaker 2>is now in my custody. She has no memory of

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<v Speaker 2>her sister, and I'm gonna use her to find my

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<v Speaker 2>former student.

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<v Speaker 3>Dun't dunt dua kimer.

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<v Speaker 5>We all called it.

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<v Speaker 3>He had that whip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had that big whip shape on his back.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that Vnestra has the whip saber. There's clearly

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<v Speaker 2>something there with them. Was it a Kylo ren esque

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<v Speaker 2>situation where she saw the dark side in him, or

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<v Speaker 2>was the dark side what drew her to him, because

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<v Speaker 2>in the books, Vnestra's whip is seen as kind of

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<v Speaker 2>dark side leaning. Vnestra's ability to sense the Force memories

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<v Speaker 2>that's seen as something that's a little bit beyond the

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<v Speaker 2>light side.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe there's something interesting there. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have to find out in season two. But before

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<v Speaker 2>we guess what might happen in season two, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to bring in the Jedi Council.

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<v Speaker 1>Please welcome to the Council Chamber, super Producer's era in

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<v Speaker 1>Aboo and Joel Folks, let's go around the table. Joel

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<v Speaker 1>will start with you your thoughts on this season of

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<v Speaker 1>The Acolyte.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So, first of all, for fans who don't know,

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<v Speaker 6>I have a Soilca' light sabers tattooed on me. So

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like Star Wars fanatic. I am obsessed with this universe.

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<v Speaker 6>I refuse to leave if they could give me six

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<v Speaker 6>more bad shows and I'm not going anywhere. Sorry, Disney,

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<v Speaker 6>cover your ears. You didn't hear any of that, but

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<v Speaker 6>it's my truth. And I'm so frustrated with this series

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<v Speaker 6>because it gave me so many things I wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>Did I get more witches? I sure did? Were they

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<v Speaker 4>cool as? Absolutely they were? I got an.

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<v Speaker 6>Enemy's to lovers romance, great one that works. Sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not a ray Loo Stan. Though I respect everyone's fandom choices.

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<v Speaker 6>This one is working for me and I really enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 6>I got black women in Star Wars. Every time they

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<v Speaker 6>show up as just delightful. We've gotten more recently. I'll

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<v Speaker 6>take more in the future, please, And I really enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I thought, the fight Sequich was really exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the idea.

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<v Speaker 6>They're so good, and I love the idea of even

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<v Speaker 6>you know, corrupt or misguided Jedi.

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<v Speaker 4>And here's where I start.

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<v Speaker 6>To have my frustrations. When it started, I thought we

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<v Speaker 6>were getting like a Cops and Robbers sort of situation,

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<v Speaker 6>a Noir thriller, if you will, a big mystery over

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<v Speaker 6>what happened. And I thought we were really gonna explore

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<v Speaker 6>like the dark side that lives within the Jedi. Instead,

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<v Speaker 6>what we got was a confused individual's poor decisions, which

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<v Speaker 6>could be interesting if you have a deeper connection with

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<v Speaker 6>the individual.

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<v Speaker 4>I love Soul as a character.

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<v Speaker 6>When he's first introduced, like Oh my gosh, here's a

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<v Speaker 6>Jedi that's actually embodying this like monk like philosophy and ideology,

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<v Speaker 6>and we're gonna see like how like where did this

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<v Speaker 6>turn happen for him?

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<v Speaker 4>And why?

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<v Speaker 6>And we even get the speech in the finale of

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<v Speaker 6>like listen, he was a good guy who made bad choices.

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<v Speaker 6>But I didn't get to see enough of him being

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<v Speaker 6>a quote good guy or enough of him being a

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<v Speaker 6>quote bad guy to justify this dichotomy of symbolism within him,

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<v Speaker 6>like I just I need who Whistle as a teach,

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<v Speaker 6>like we needed more soul teaching Jackie. We got little

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<v Speaker 6>kernels of it and they were okay, but right enough.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't know anything about May and that will kill me.

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<v Speaker 6>Until I don't, I can't understand the show's reasoning. To me,

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<v Speaker 6>the show sets up very early on that it is

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<v Speaker 6>vital for us to understand why this coven split a

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<v Speaker 6>person into two parts and what that means to these

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<v Speaker 6>two individuals walking around. To me, we've seen what happens

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<v Speaker 6>when you split a person in popcul like I think

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<v Speaker 6>maybe the most recent and popular would be on Rick

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<v Speaker 6>and Morty. Right, Rick and Morty go into their little

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<v Speaker 6>machine they excise the negative aspects of themselves and they

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<v Speaker 6>spit out the good sides, and you get to see, like,

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<v Speaker 6>if your negative side is just this and your positive

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<v Speaker 6>side just this, how would you live?

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<v Speaker 4>And what does that mean to you?

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<v Speaker 6>And what do you miss about the and what do

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<v Speaker 6>people you love miss about these other parts? But we

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<v Speaker 6>don't have any understanding of what it means for these

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<v Speaker 6>two individuals to be separated. I never got to be

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<v Speaker 6>the sisters who love each other. They have a word

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<v Speaker 6>phrase that they use, but I don't think Osha has

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<v Speaker 6>any loving connections or memories to that phrase other than

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<v Speaker 6>we said it a lot as a kid, and I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know what it means, and therefore everything around that

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<v Speaker 6>very important plot line has no value to me. And

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<v Speaker 6>then at the end they sort of disrupt it by

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<v Speaker 6>sending May off by herself in a massively confusing decision.

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<v Speaker 6>Why can't she stay with them? She has the same

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<v Speaker 6>agendas I thought, but they're like, no, you have to go,

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<v Speaker 6>and she's like, it's totally fine, wipe my memory. I

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<v Speaker 6>would have six thousand questions, what memories are you raising?

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<v Speaker 3>The dark side lets people hide?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we all know that they could have used their

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<v Speaker 2>dock side palace to hide from the gem.

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<v Speaker 6>We could have had MESSI love triangle, Like, there are

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<v Speaker 6>just so many things we could have had here of

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<v Speaker 6>like who is but again, who has made of Osha?

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<v Speaker 5>What is?

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<v Speaker 6>I just there's so many questions, And I really feel

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<v Speaker 6>like everything that worked was working on such a high

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<v Speaker 6>frequency that it is crazy to me that everything that

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<v Speaker 6>didn't work tank to the show this bad. I demand

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<v Speaker 6>a season two. I demand that Doesney get together and

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<v Speaker 6>just like be like, maybe just leave the writers alone,

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<v Speaker 6>because the writing team is spectacular. They've all produced really

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<v Speaker 6>quality work before. I just I don't know what happened

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<v Speaker 6>that this is what we ended up with. But I

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<v Speaker 6>remain maybe stupidly hopeful that we can get it in

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<v Speaker 6>line for another season, because again, I just there.

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<v Speaker 4>Was so much to enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason, you talked you've done some when we've been talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this in pre pro. You've talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>the pacing, and I think you really did hit on

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<v Speaker 2>something there, So could you talk a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It just feels to me like the main problem for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I agree with basically everything that Joelle said, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the highs, the things that work work amazingly well.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt to me as if either the budget got

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<v Speaker 1>slashed in the middle, or some other kind of production

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<v Speaker 1>hiccup happened and they ended up having to stretch, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>four episodes of content into eight episodes of TV. And

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<v Speaker 1>it feels as if every time you're starting to get

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<v Speaker 1>some momentum off a really cool reveal or a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>character moment, it's then sabotaged by this really bizarre pacing.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the primary example. Why are we getting the

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<v Speaker 1>conflict between Venestra and the Senate in the final episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I meeting a new character in the final episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I just yeah, Why am I just meeting

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Raincourt? Like he should be there from episode one

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<v Speaker 1>so you understand the pressure of the Jedi under It's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely insane to just meet him in the final twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of the entire season. That's crazy. And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things like that, Like I would have the

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<v Speaker 1>Bottle episode flashback, make that episode one, and then turn

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing. It's basically a bad cop story about

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<v Speaker 1>a case that went bad that a bunch of dirty

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<v Speaker 1>cops have been trying to suppress. All this time, So

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<v Speaker 1>give that to us up front, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make it a true noir in which these dirty cops

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<v Speaker 1>are trying everything they can do to either solve this

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<v Speaker 1>problem or suppress the news about this and everything they

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<v Speaker 1>try gets worse. That's kind of fun and a more

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<v Speaker 1>streamlined thing. And like so many characters that popped Jacky

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<v Speaker 1>we loved did we not love yours?

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<v Speaker 4>Ord?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is like you had such a straight buy the

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<v Speaker 1>book guy and annoying, but at the same time really

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<v Speaker 1>great TV and great story fodder. The fact that we

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<v Speaker 1>lose them where we lose them.

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<v Speaker 5>Is is weird to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels more like a penal choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that should be later. We shouldn't be meeting

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<v Speaker 1>new characters. Like the confrontation between Veinestra and Center Graincourt

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<v Speaker 1>felt like something that was originally at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the season that they then moved to the end for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason. And Venestra should have been much more central

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<v Speaker 1>to the story, should have been in it more so

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<v Speaker 1>all of that stuff worked, it just felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was all like in the wrong order.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And it and it creates this feeling of the ship

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<v Speaker 1>never landed, like there's no meet, no satisfaction to any reveal.

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<v Speaker 1>The mystery quote unquote of the of the story dribbles

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<v Speaker 1>out at such a strange pace that you keep being like,

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<v Speaker 1>well is that it?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 6>Now is that it?

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<v Speaker 1>And there's never that moment where you're like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think what's so disappointed about it? For me personally,

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<v Speaker 1>is like so many things worked so like the highs

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<v Speaker 1>are so high, the promise is there. You could see

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<v Speaker 1>how good it almost was, and it's like, what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>I used the line that Rosie then asked me, which

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<v Speaker 1>is it? It felt like, you know, ultimately, I I

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<v Speaker 1>think that Book of Boba Fet, which is a show

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm eventually going to rank when we do our rankings,

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<v Speaker 1>like towards the bottom of the live action list. The

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<v Speaker 1>peaks of Acolyte were higher than the peaks of Book

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<v Speaker 1>of Boafet. But Book of Boba Fet I quickly was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what this is. This is like a summer

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<v Speaker 1>fling and I'm going to enjoy this, whereas the Acolyte

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to fall in love with the Akolite with

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<v Speaker 1>what I was seeing, with the promise of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just never got there, So ultimately I'm disappointed, but

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<v Speaker 1>I like Joelle And again, Disney, I hope you're not listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be back.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron, you had some really good thoughts on like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what Jason was saying about how Vun could have

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<v Speaker 2>played like a bigger part, So like, what were your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on the finale and the season as a whole.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so I thought it would have been as much

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<v Speaker 7>as I loved Jord, and Jord was a very interesting character,

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<v Speaker 7>and obviously we have a contractual require to feature that

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<v Speaker 7>haircut in any Star.

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<v Speaker 5>Wars propty that comes up.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Vern could have played that role, been on

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<v Speaker 7>the ship, been the rule follower, the one who's really

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<v Speaker 7>focused on making sure everything's done by the book quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 7>And we didn't necessarily need Ord. Jord and Jeckie, two

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<v Speaker 7>great characters, are removed at the end of episode four,

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<v Speaker 7>and then it's just like we spent all this time

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<v Speaker 7>and build up with them. We had the potential romance

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<v Speaker 7>with Jeckie and like and that.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't matter anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>Also, kind of echoing Joel, Joel, anytime there are black

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<v Speaker 7>women in Star Wars, that's huged for you anytime. For

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<v Speaker 7>me as someone who's Chinese anytime they're Asians love it.

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<v Speaker 7>So I am a huge fan of a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>moments of this and Joelle really thoughtful reactions. A boob

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<v Speaker 7>will have some great ones as well. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 7>do a very different reaction that may be a little

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<v Speaker 7>more tailored to Jason. This show, the first half reminded

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<v Speaker 7>me a lot of like La Clippers. You have these

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<v Speaker 7>huge moments this season. It's such high highs and I

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<v Speaker 7>was so excited for what could happen, and then it

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<v Speaker 7>just fell apart.

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<v Speaker 5>I still love the end. I still love this episode.

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<v Speaker 7>And like I am someone who my consumption of Star

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<v Speaker 7>Wars content is pretty much the main big and pole

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<v Speaker 7>properties unless it's something that involves Throng, in which case

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<v Speaker 7>I will.

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<v Speaker 8>Have all of it.

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<v Speaker 5>But there was a lot of this where I was

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<v Speaker 5>just like, oh, this is.

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<v Speaker 7>Really cool, Like I know there's something about uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>it's the Star Wars, like the lights they were bleeding

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<v Speaker 7>and it's cool to finally see it. And like there's

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of moments like that that I just was

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<v Speaker 7>all on board for. Yeah, so I was I probably

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<v Speaker 7>liked it more than most people. And I thought this

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<v Speaker 7>episode was a lot of fun. Obviously, there are so

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<v Speaker 7>many things that could have been done better. And like

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<v Speaker 7>every time we saw Kime here he was the everyone

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 7>fell in love with him. In episode four when the

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<v Speaker 7>turn happens and then he got benched, he was like,

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<v Speaker 7>he didn't come back in that way, and it was

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<v Speaker 7>I waited for four more weeks just to get today's episode,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I was like, oh my god, I love him,

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<v Speaker 7>give me him fighting everyone.

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<v Speaker 5>I just want a TV show of him. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>that's those are my main points.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Aboo, what was your vibe? What's your read on the Acolyte?

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<v Speaker 9>I mean I echo a lot of what this council

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<v Speaker 9>has already said. I think we generally generally feel the

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<v Speaker 9>same way. But I'll try I'll try to add some

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<v Speaker 9>add some thoughts that haven't been brought up yet. First

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 9>of all, I totally agree we get some high highs.

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 9>This show is toying with and playing with some ideas

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<v Speaker 9>that feels so fresh and so unique in the Star

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<v Speaker 9>Wars universe. Who has power, who's allowed to wield it?

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 9>Amazing thought. I wish we'd gone deeper on that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>I honestly in this finale episode had goosebumps watching the

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 9>lightsaber color change as we saw the bleeding of the crystal,

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<v Speaker 9>which I think is the first time we're seeing that

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<v Speaker 9>in live action.

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<v Speaker 8>It happened in the video game with Calkestis.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but this is the first time we've seen it, first.

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<v Speaker 8>Time in live action.

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<v Speaker 9>Incredible stuff and again manages into my goodness, like time

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 9>here his reveal managed us into was easily a highlight

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<v Speaker 9>of the show, and to Aaron's point, gets benched for

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<v Speaker 9>multiple episodes and is really only around to Flex's biceps

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<v Speaker 9>and we both us and Osha and maybe.

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<v Speaker 5>Which is more than enough.

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<v Speaker 1>In every property, it reminds me of just briefly, it

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of I don't know how many people are

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>watching Love Island, but he reminds me of Rock.

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<v Speaker 8>I've seen every season of Love Island. Yeah, yeah, about that.

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<v Speaker 9>The thing that didn't work for me is that most

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<v Speaker 9>of this season hinged on the events of Brendoc, which

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 9>we saw in episode seven. But I was not sold

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<v Speaker 9>on the events of brent Dock. It was like a

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<v Speaker 9>series of unfortunate events that happened and nobody was necessary

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 9>Early at fault, like I didn't think Saul was that

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<v Speaker 9>bad a guy if some woman turned into a ghost

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<v Speaker 9>next to me, and maybe I'm also going to defend myself,

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 9>like what's happening, You're turning into a ghost. Torbin also

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<v Speaker 9>is just like a homesick kid who like overstepped and

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 9>also got his mind messed with, Like nobody really did

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 9>anything that bad, So like, are we really toying with

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 9>any like deep ideas about Jedi good, Jedi bad Jedi

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 9>dogma stage.

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<v Speaker 6>And that could have worked even like it could have

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 6>been really amazing to see so many people in misunderstanding conflict, right,

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 6>Like that's really intriguing. And I mean, if we're just

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<v Speaker 6>talking real well, like that's a thing that the police were,

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 6>like we didn't know we had bad information, someone sent

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 6>us the wrong address, killed somebody. It's awful and that

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 6>can be like dramatically compelling. But again, without spending enough

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 6>time with these characters and understanding confidently who was experience

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<v Speaker 6>what and then also experiencing what point of view we're

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<v Speaker 6>seeing these events from, if it just became really muddled

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<v Speaker 6>by the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Jason struck on specifically without changing too

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<v Speaker 2>much about what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I think about so many great crime movies.

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I've seen so many thrillers, so many slasher movies even

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 2>right they often begin with a simple human error or

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<v Speaker 2>something that goes too far a situation you lose control of.

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<v Speaker 2>You see it at the beginning, you understand what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you see the impact of covering that up throughout.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that if in Jason's vision of it being

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<v Speaker 2>the first episode and kind of that almost that Colombo

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>cold open where you get to see what happened, I

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>think that would have been really impactful because you kind

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>of get that human error aspect, which I found very

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 2>tragic the way they portrayed it, and then you don't

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>sell it on the mystery. I think that's the problem

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 2>because by the time you got to episode seven in

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<v Speaker 2>our discord, in the June Pod Discord Escape Discord, everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be episode seven.

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<v Speaker 3>What happens on episode seven? What like, what's gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 2>And then you get to the point where it's not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily the clear cut, black and white bad or good thing,

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>but also it's not as complex and deep as we

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<v Speaker 2>may have been hoping for. So I think that that

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the pacing and the positioning again is probably why that

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't necessarily hit in the same way.

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<v Speaker 9>Like Rosie, your point there just made me realize the

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 9>more interesting story here to tell I think, Joel, you're

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 9>getting at this too, is the cover up, not actually

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 9>the events that happened. But this season is acting like

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 9>the events are the main story. Like the more interesting

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 9>is like for Nestra politicking and hiding things, Soul and

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 9>Torbin and all of them living with the guilt and

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 9>covering it up, and like that's the more interesting story.

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.479
<v Speaker 8>But that took a back seat to Brenda.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt as if and again I don't know, the

0:29:56.080 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>creative team behind this is incredible, that extremely talent, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sound like I'm coming off telling

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<v Speaker 1>them how to do their job. And it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>to me, having you know, been around productions and you know,

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>talk knowing a lot of writers and producers, it feels

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.719
<v Speaker 1>to me like something happened from above, either a budget

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>thing or making the question about power and the corrupting

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>nature of power. Attacking that question centrally through the lens

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>of the Jedi felt like a little bit too much.

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I could see the note being are we throwing the

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Jedis under the bus too much? And so it felt

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>as if, to Joelle's point, like they were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>serve too many things at once and make, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a good guys versus bad guys story, but also like

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<v Speaker 1>a great Jedi story, but also like a corruption story,

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>but also like a justice and guilt story. And I

0:30:55.800 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>think ultimately this show needed to pick like two lane, yeah,

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a lane, rather than try and serve like three lanes.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>And that goes for too many characters, too many plots,

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>too many themes, and because I like all the things

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 1>that are there, Yeah, but I'm disappointed that we didn't

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>have time to go deeper into those things, right, whether

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>it's character, plot, whatever.

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I feel like they didn't, like you've a lot

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 7>of you have mentioned putting the flashback as the first episode,

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 7>and I wonder if there was some direction of we

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<v Speaker 7>can't set up the Jedi as the bad guy right

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 7>off the bat, like we would not surprise me. Yeah, yeah,

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 7>And so I think that's probably why we get four

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 7>episodes of we like the Jedi, there is some someone

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 7>killing Jedi, and we get these characters we like, like

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 7>Jord and Jeckie and then it has to be oh,

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 7>never mind, actually we get rid of the ones you love.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and it'sally supposed to be a Sith based story

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 6>and disease, Like, we're not doing a Sith main character

0:31:57.920 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 6>story to jump off.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Leslie like snuck that in there really well

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>because Osha is the main character and Osha becomes a Sith.

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 2>But it also, like Leslie definitely in those you know,

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 2>D twenty three, those kind of big moments, was definitely

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>talking about it being a seduction story, a Sith story.

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I also something me and Joel thought about like throughout

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 2>this season is like, I feel like the pacing issues

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 2>could definitely have come from this being a way less

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 2>linear and like stranger narrative, kind of like Russian doll

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 2>or a little bit more akin to other stuff Leslie

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 2>had done. And then when you kind of chop that

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 2>up and try and make it more of a straightforward narrative,

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it loses some of the juice. And again,

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:44.239
<v Speaker 2>like that's not me pretending I know anything about how

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 2>the behind the scenes went, but it does feel like

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>it's possible.

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally, I think that, you know, on a certain level,

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that I empathize with the struggle that the

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>people who make hype have. You know, on the one hand,

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>like stories have to evolve, that's the nature of stories.

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, like you know, it's complicated because

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the audience wants the same thing, but they want it

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>in a different way. And asking yourself, well, are we

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>selling out our audience who has grown up with a

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>certain picture of the Jedi in their minds, who love

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the Jedi? Are we selling them out too much to

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>evolve the story in a way that is reasonable and

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>actually natural. And I and I completely empathize with that.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I just think that this is it feels as if

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>those tensions are reflected too much.

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>In Yes, I will also say as well, even with

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>the version that we got, a lot of people felt

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>like they went too hard on the Jedi. There was

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who still felt like it was

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a it was an actively I'm going.

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>To defend them.

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to defend the Jedi.

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to defend them such in a small way,

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a big galaxy. There's a lot of jethentic sol

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and I think we need to get away from both

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>in the macro sense. With Star Wars, when a badge.

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>When a show happens, it disappoints I don't want to

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>call it bad, but it disappoints us. We should we should, uh,

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, steer away from these knee jerk reactions where

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>like Star Star Wars is bad now because this one

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>show happened. And I also think that because of the

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Jedi is such a huge organization, we should also steer

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>away from being like, well, the Jedi are bad because

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Soul is a fucking nut job to get hold of them.

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 6>But I think you're like, the crux of the issue

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 6>is Star Wars right now is like trying to please fans.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 4>I think is the problem.

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 6>I'm not saying in essentily you have a responsibility to

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 6>your fans. We're the ones coming back. We spend money,

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 6>We've invested years of our lives into this content. I

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 6>understand that there's a level of respect that's necessary. But

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 6>in the same way, like, man, I I'm sorry that

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 6>Star Wars has to deal with and or that's all.

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's very.

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 4>Fun, but it's there and we can't help. We're humans.

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 6>We have to compare and contrast, and I think that

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 6>it's it's frustrating to me that if you can have

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 6>something as pushing the boundaries as and or as as

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 6>outside of the stereotypical Star Wars boxes and or that

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 6>there should still be fear within the company of being like, well,

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 6>we're not sure if we can do that, or we

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 6>have so much. They didn't like it when you were

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 6>safe and you gave them everything. They don't like it

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 6>when it's completely different. They didn't always going to be nasayers.

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 6>I wish they would just focus on telling a good story.

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 6>Just tell me a good story period.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get the council to rank their favorite live

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 2>action Star Wars stories. I just want to say, as

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>the general contrarian, I am more aligned with Aaron and

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 2>I actually thought this episode was quite good.

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 3>And I just want to say that I am grateful

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 3>to Leslie for the enemies to love a storyline. I

0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 3>screamed the thumbtauch and really, I like, it's like.

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Just doing stuff, so I'm a sucker. Really like, if

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>they just want to do like kimeron May that Kimer

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 2>and Osha they're just trying to be dark side, I'll

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 2>be like, Okay, I'm in here for it.

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 7>Also, while we're talking about moments, that like we screamed

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 7>in I had so much fun in the lightsaber fight

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 7>with Soul and Kaimer when he detaches and has the

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 7>Perry dagger and he throws them and then Soul puts

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 7>his saber away and force.

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:29.720
<v Speaker 5>Pushes them all. Amazing, amazing.

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Job.

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 8>Yes the joke.

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I made the catching Tiger hitting Dragon Sorrows crossovers

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 6>one hundred.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask one question before we before we go

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to our rankings? Do you think that this story is

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>improved with some sort of flashback or exposition about Saul's motivations,

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Like why does Saul yes gravitate to May and Osha

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>so strongly?

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 4>What is it like?

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I feel like if there would have been something about him, we.

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 4>Just need to know what Saul was like as a padawan.

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 6>We get a tease of it in episode one where

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 6>they're like She's like, oh, this is what you were

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 6>like as a padawan, and right, yeah, but never who

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 6>were you as a padawan? Who trained you? And why

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 6>do you feel this deep need to like pass on

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 6>your knowledge or to work with someone in this mass?

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 4>Like what does it mean? I have no idea what

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 4>it means.

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:25.919
<v Speaker 6>The Soul and it made his death, Like I don't

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 6>want to say meaningless, but I was just like, I

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 6>don't I'm understanding.

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>It felt like I didn't. It felt like I never understood.

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 4>I think that.

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, A simple like five minute scene that just like

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 2>is Soul and Venestra in the era of the Brendoc

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 2>indcident drinking like tea or something in a canteena talking

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 2>about Saul's issues with like being obsessed. Why is he

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with passing on his knowledge? Why does he want

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 2>a padawan so much? We could have learned a lot

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>about both of them. I think there's some kind of

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>flashback between the two that could have built them out

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more and built out that relationship a

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit more that I think would have made a

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.839
<v Speaker 2>big difference. Also, something I want to pose to you guys,

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and you can just do like a yes or no.

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 2>But something in the discord that I thought was interesting

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>was people were definitely like wondering, especially people who hadn't

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>been big fans of the show and then had kind

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 2>of come to it by the time the finale ended.

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Will it be better if you just watch it in

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 3>one go?

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Like is part of what it was unsatisfying about the show,

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>the way that they cut up the story because the

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 2>episodes are thirty five minutes or forty eight minutes. So

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested, like, will you go back and binge watch

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 2>it and see how it looks.

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 6>I think I would have a higher Rotten Tomatoes score

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 6>if during a binge as opposed to a weekly watch.

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 6>But I don't think it would have resolved the many.

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:44.439
<v Speaker 4>Issues I have with the show.

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, exactly, Yeah, yeah, I just want to complain

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>about one thing. I'm sorry to be negative, but like

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>the mind wiping thing.

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:55.840
<v Speaker 4>It's so.

0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Unnecessary, the lie. The Cimers line, Well, if I could

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.280
<v Speaker 1>find you, the Jedi can find Yeah, but you followed,

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>you literally followed a person.

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Not just that, but you have a selection as a

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>master and apprentice with both of these Wales.

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>So like and and second Darrel and the Jed, I

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 1>still find as we said, the Jedi don't want to look.

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 3>They're done. They're done with this case.

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>It's over, has covered up multiple crimes and murders, is burning,

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>is actively burning by in the.

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 3>World existed, Like you can just sho, you could just go.

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:40.240
<v Speaker 1>They're not looking anymore.

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 4>She's lied to the Senate. It's done.

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>They're not looking for you.

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Joel, what's you to a live action ranking?

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 6>Okay, very bottom. I'm sorry, but it's get it out

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 6>of here. I don't I didn't need it. I did't

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 6>get anything from it.

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 6>Then I'm sorry because we got the Anakin we always deserved,

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 6>but Obi wan Kenobi again, a lot of things I

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 6>didn't need. Even though we got a cool blacksmith lady.

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 6>She had to deal with a lot of trauma for

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 6>a show that I'm never going to rewatch. So uh,

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 6>then season three of The Mandalorian, I'm separating them because

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 6>the Mandalorian.

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 8>I don't.

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Done that together.

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 4>So then then I would.

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Put a Soca.

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 6>Then I would put a Soca for episode five alone,

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 6>which was it was psiconic.

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 4>I love Soka. Then I would do this show then

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 4>then Acolyte, then the rest of of Uh. The Mandalorian

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 4>thinks all of that.

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 3>And Or would be a number one again and Or

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 3>it does not.

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 4>We don't even talk about it. Number one. It is

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 4>it is the best. It is the best one. So

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 4>that's my ranking.

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree mine is. And Or then you're

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 2>going I'm doing top down, I'm doing reverse and Or.

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Is number one.

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Mandalorian on average is number two. I would say Acolyte

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 2>for me is number three because I do think that

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the highs of it are high enough to it's reasonable

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.279
<v Speaker 2>to go over to average out over my next one,

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 2>which would be ah Sosoka.

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Hilariously, I will say after the top two, I.

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Do think this is very equal. Like I don't think

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of difference apart from Mandalorian. I think

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>once you average them out, because like I actually you know, Ahsoka,

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I loved seeing Ezra, I love seeing Sabine Tho's had

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 2>some really big highs. Then Obi w again lots of moments.

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I really loved Boba FETs going at the bottom, but

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>not because of not because subjectively I enjoyed it the least.

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>It's because objectively I don't think it's as good as

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>some of the other ones. But as somebody who grew

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 2>up and like serialized storytelling, I still think Boba Fet

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 2>is actually like a fun weekend Saturday morning show, but

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>it's not like this Prestige TV event. So that would

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:23.240
<v Speaker 2>be mine, Jason watsh.

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Your's I Am Gonna Go, and or number one of course,

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Mando number two, and then you drop off a click

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly the Star Wars live Action. It's the conversation is

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>really about what an immense drop off from the first

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:47.240
<v Speaker 1>two there are so okay, and or Book of Boba.

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, sorry, Uhorian, Then oh gosh, I'm gonna go Ahsoka,

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:06.280
<v Speaker 1>the Acolyte Obi Wan Kenobi Book of Ba.

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>If we were including animated series, this would be a

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 2>very different listing.

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 5>I can't say that, but but we're.

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Doing live action because we have a limited time and

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>we're all yappers aboo.

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:20.440
<v Speaker 9>All right, I'll be quick. I'll start from the bottom.

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.280
<v Speaker 9>Boba weird to have a TV show I had to watch.

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 8>To understand another TV show. It's like a halfway Mandalorian Seas.

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 9>Then, honestly, for me, Ahsoka next, this might get me

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 9>kicked off the Council that I've never watched Rebels, so

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 9>none of that made sense to me. I watched the

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 9>Ahsoka so confused. So then it's Acolyte squarely in the

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 9>middle for me.

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 8>Highs were high, lows are low.

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 9>I'm gonna put Obi Wan up there just because I

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 9>loved having Anakin back.

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 5>That was a great for that.

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 9>And then Mando seasons one through three love those and

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:58.280
<v Speaker 9>then yeah, then there's like a country mile climb before

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 9>you get to end, or like I watched the stellin

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:03.359
<v Speaker 9>Scars Guard speech sometimes just to feel something again.

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, will they ever like stop wishing they didn't

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 2>let Tony Gilory make that show.

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 3>I feel like every day that in those exact offices,

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 3>like what do we do then? But it's like making

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 3>like mad Men and.

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Just being like here you go, now make like five

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 2>other seasons that as opposed to be like this.

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.839
<v Speaker 3>Aaron. The final member of the Jedi Council.

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:28.359
<v Speaker 5>Obi Wan and Boba Fet tied at the bottom. Okay,

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 5>that's a tear for me.

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:30.560
<v Speaker 8>It doesn't it doesn't really matter.

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:35.359
<v Speaker 7>I have ah Soka slightly higher than Accolyte because as

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 7>opposed to a boo like I have a strong emotional

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 7>connection to the Ahsoka story.

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 5>Love her.

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.800
<v Speaker 7>I love seeing all those frankly super hot characters like

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 7>in live action incredible everyone in that show. I wanted

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 7>more stories, Aaron said.

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I now I can be attracted to someone who's not

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>a cartoon character in real.

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 7>Life and new characters like I love, I loved. I

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:03.480
<v Speaker 7>think that those Sith are some of my I mean,

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 7>we had we've really had great news time here is amazing.

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 7>I am going to break from consensus. I will do

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 7>and or a second.

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 8>I love it.

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 7>But again with emotional pick, Mandalorian season one meant so

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 7>much coming out with crazy Pandemic, like everyone in the

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 7>world is watching this show. Baby Yoda is like the

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:27.919
<v Speaker 7>biggest thing in the world. Like that has left more

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 7>obviously and our great, great, great show objectively a better show. Emotionally,

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 7>Mandalorian season one better and.

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 6>I think Disney would agree with you just from viewership numbers,

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 6>They're gonna want more Manorians.

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Amando season one was there were people who were not

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars fans, like, yes, my life, I was working

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>at the Ringer at that time. There were you know,

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 1>some of the people that were working there were not

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars fans, were like, if you get a chance

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>to meet Baby Yoda, you have to bring me. Apple

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 1>had such a strong emotional attachment to that baby. I mean,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:00.919
<v Speaker 1>I still and that was magic.

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I still wish and this is like the old Rosie

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 2>with her little broadcast TV antenna. But I still think

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 2>about if they had released that show weekly on ABC

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:15.879
<v Speaker 2>seven and normal people who didn't have streaming, who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>play who don't watch Disney plass who don't follow this stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been like even more of a water

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<v Speaker 2>cooler TV moment, Like as soon as it hit the

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<v Speaker 2>way it did, they should have just started doing it

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, because, like you said, like my

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<v Speaker 2>I had family members people reaching out to me like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, what's the Mandalorian?

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<v Speaker 3>Like it hit in a different way like I and

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<v Speaker 3>Baby Yoda, I mean, what a legend.

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<v Speaker 5>And did pretty much no one knew about the leaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they kept Baby Yoda secret at the cost of

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<v Speaker 2>millions of visuals because that would have absolutely they they

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<v Speaker 2>almost missed the boat on the Baby.

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<v Speaker 8>Yoga Christmas gifts that year. They made up money, but

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<v Speaker 8>the money.

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<v Speaker 4>We did it.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys. This is the first of the X ray Vision

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<v Speaker 3>Jedi Council, and honestly, I feel like it won't be

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<v Speaker 3>the last. That was so fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you coming from across the galaxy to be

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<v Speaker 2>here to discuss this divisive yet charming series with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's been wonderful to talk with you all. Now

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<v Speaker 1>is the time for plugs, Rosie.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you have to play?

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<v Speaker 3>Do have something to plug? My book Monster Island Summer Camp,

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<v Speaker 3>a Go godzillographic novel.

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<v Speaker 2>If you pre order that book with Secret Headquarters in

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<v Speaker 2>La we will put the link in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>You will get a beautiful limited edition, exclusive signed book

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<v Speaker 2>plate designed by me with art by Oliver Ono, signed

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<v Speaker 2>by both of us, and it's really cute, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be supporting a shop that me and Jason both love,

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<v Speaker 2>that is both of our local comic shops.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, do that, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming next week we have bum bum Ba. Deadpool is here.

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<v Speaker 4>In the fast full days of dead and Verte.

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<v Speaker 1>We were of course still bringing you our House of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dragon coverage, but we're adding to that with five

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<v Speaker 1>Days of Deadpool Wow. Five episodes exploring the comics and

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<v Speaker 1>movies of Deadpool and Wolverine, with some spattering of X

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<v Speaker 1>Men of course thrown in their interviews lists, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of deep dives. Stay tuned for that for this

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<v Speaker 1>episode by x Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion

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<v Speaker 1>and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our

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<v Speaker 1>supervising producer is a Boo zafar Our producers are Carmen

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<v Speaker 1>Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord. Kenny Goodman

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<v Speaker 2>and Heidi are Discord moderator