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Speaker 2: Who In today's episode in the Airlock, we're gonna speed
Speaker 2: recap the finale of the Acolyte.
Speaker 3: Then we're gonna bring.
Speaker 2: In the harm We're bringing in the Jedi Council. We're
Speaker 2: bringing in the X Ray Vision crew.
Speaker 3: Everyone needs that.
Speaker 1: You can't make it because it's eight hundred and sixty,
Speaker 1: but the everyone, the rest of the.
Speaker 2: Ebo, Aaron, Everyone's coming in to talk about this show.
Speaker 2: We're also going to be ranking our favorite live action
Speaker 2: Star Wars series. You were doing it in the discord,
Speaker 2: So we're going to do it here and in all
Speaker 2: what if section, we're gonna say, what's the best version
Speaker 2: of the Acolyte in your mind?
Speaker 3: How would you have made.
Speaker 2: This the perfect show that lived up to the highs
Speaker 2: that we got in certain episodes.
Speaker 3: But first, we're gonna speed recap it.
Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the air lock now to speed
Speaker 1: recap the finale of The Acolyte.
Speaker 3: Thankfully.
Speaker 2: We begin as May fights our way out of ever
Speaker 2: creepier Soul's grasp, and the pair kind of battle their
Speaker 2: way back to Brendock.
Speaker 3: They fly through an epic asteroid belt.
Speaker 2: I was feeling a lot of money in this moment,
Speaker 2: a lot of money in this episode. I was happy
Speaker 2: to see that helped May even though she'd mind wiped him.
Speaker 2: Is it the same, Pip? I'm not sure, but you
Speaker 2: know what, she helped him. He helped her when he
Speaker 2: needed it.
Speaker 3: And Saul, I'm pretty sure he was gonna shoot May out.
Speaker 2: Of the sky because he has truly lost it, but
Speaker 2: luckily Basil sabotaged his ship.
Speaker 3: I'm not a huge Basil fan.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a bit of a you know,
Speaker 2: a bit of a snitch, but in this case.
Speaker 3: He was right.
Speaker 1: Here's my issue with Basil. He needs to fucking stand
Speaker 1: on it. I'm saying, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing, Basil,
Speaker 1: do it, and then don't fucking run away.
Speaker 4: Exactly, stand there.
Speaker 1: And take the consequences.
Speaker 3: If you're I'm saying, like, if he was just there, stop.
Speaker 1: Stop doing shit and then scurrying.
Speaker 3: Literally, he's always right because he.
Speaker 2: Was there when Soul, an adult man, stunned May and
Speaker 2: like tied her to a table, and then he was
Speaker 2: just like e and like ra, you know, and here
Speaker 2: he does, I'm guessing, want to stop Soul from killing May,
Speaker 2: which is good, but then also I see him later
Speaker 2: back on his snitch behavior. So anyway, Soul lands on
Speaker 2: Brenda turns on his transponder, and we go to a
Speaker 2: cozy cave where a pair of young would be lovers
Speaker 2: are learning the Force. Osha is in Kaima's helmet. Kaimer
Speaker 2: tries to get her out of the helmet because she
Speaker 2: seems to be having struggle breathing. Then he gets sucked
Speaker 2: into like a weird dark side world.
Speaker 3: Jason, what did you think, Bob? I think, what's happening
Speaker 3: in this moment.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure to be honest with you, but it
Speaker 1: felt like, well, there must be some other force, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, behind what we're seeing right now,
Speaker 1: and indeed there was.
Speaker 2: Indeed there was, because as Osha and Kaimer discover that
Speaker 2: you know where May is and that she's gonna go
Speaker 2: and find May because she wants to stop May, because
Speaker 2: she had a vision of the future where May's gonna
Speaker 2: kill Soul and she's holding the lightsaber and she's gonna
Speaker 2: kill it without a weapon. And Kim is like, well,
Speaker 2: I would like to see that, because that's been my
Speaker 2: whole mission for the whole show.
Speaker 1: I really, I really got to see it.
Speaker 3: I want to be He's like, that's important to me.
Speaker 2: So they decide they're gonna leave, and because they both
Speaker 2: obviously have massive crashes on each other, they don't just
Speaker 2: like kill, they don't get into a fight.
Speaker 3: They're just like, let's go together.
Speaker 2: Even though I want to save my sister and you
Speaker 2: want to like turn her to the dark side, Let's
Speaker 2: just go on a nice trip together.
Speaker 3: And as they leave the island, we see.
Speaker 2: A mysteriousness Faratu esque figure, his little creepy hands sliding
Speaker 2: out the door, his little face in a little hood.
Speaker 3: Just coming out the creepy cave. Who could that be?
Speaker 3: It's it's yeah, they have Earth.
Speaker 2: They have yet to confirm it, but it is quite
Speaker 2: clearly the mun alien dark plagist who in legends and
Speaker 2: kind of implied in canon.
Speaker 3: Was the teacher and master of Palpatine.
Speaker 1: And also it seems like is a significant peeping tom
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood.
Speaker 4: Like what a weirdness, especially because.
Speaker 3: Like oh Shan kaim are having a lot of chemistry,
Speaker 3: this man is likely keeep it.
Speaker 1: He's like, let me get involved.
Speaker 2: So why isn't I feel like maybe he's weakened my
Speaker 2: theory because if look, we all know about the rule
Speaker 2: of two, so this is kind of not fitting along
Speaker 2: with that. So maybe Kaimuth thought he'd killed him, and
Speaker 2: he's like recovering, because why wouldn't.
Speaker 3: You just go out there and like follow them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good Maybe he's recovering. Yeah, he's recovering.
Speaker 2: We then go to Chorissant, which, by the way, like
Speaker 2: probably should have been her earlier in the season.
Speaker 3: I feel like, more more.
Speaker 2: Often, more often, there should have been more This is
Speaker 2: one of the best scenes in the episode. We get
Speaker 2: British acting legend David Harewood. He is confronting Venestra and
Speaker 2: he's like, bro, the.
Speaker 3: Jedi, they got problems. This is actually one of my
Speaker 3: favorite lines in the whole series though.
Speaker 2: He's like, you guys are always acting like you've got
Speaker 2: power over the uncontrollable and she's like, we don't try
Speaker 2: and control the force. And he's like, no, your emotions
Speaker 2: and I'm like, whoa, if people had been listening to this, senator,
Speaker 2: the Jedi probably wouldn't have got into so much trouble.
Speaker 2: And he's like, we need to audit the you lot
Speaker 2: of causing problems. I'm hearing there's like a murder investigation.
Speaker 2: It's going bad.
Speaker 3: He's not wrong.
Speaker 2: I feel like, really he's saying everything that a lot
Speaker 2: of us have been saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we've been talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this for a while and all series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's doing great jobs.
Speaker 2: Then you know, everybody makes it to Brendoc and there
Speaker 2: are some extremely great fight sequences. We get some Jedi slow.
Speaker 1: Mom amazing, we get amazing Usia.
Speaker 2: We get some really cool lightsaber action with Sol and Klimer.
Speaker 2: Then we get some really cool hand to hand force
Speaker 2: fighting with May and Osha in one of the coolest
Speaker 2: fight scenes in the season, kind of really building on
Speaker 2: what we saw with Ezra in a Soca in this
Speaker 2: kind of new hand to hand force fighting style. But
Speaker 2: May and Osha they just can't get their shit together.
Speaker 2: Osha has been too brainwashed by Saul. May just wants
Speaker 2: her to believe the truth that Soul killed mother Anna Sayer,
Speaker 2: which we know because we watched a flashback episode. And
Speaker 2: ultimately she tricks Saul into telling into confessing in front
Speaker 2: of Osha that he did it. And then, oh baby.
Speaker 2: Osha is so angry. She likes her anger confuse her.
Speaker 2: All the anger she was never able to get out.
Speaker 2: That's the reason she had to quit the Jedi. Apparently
Speaker 2: she was too angry. And she says the Soul stop speaking,
Speaker 2: and as she does, she's choking him.
Speaker 3: Is it Is it the origin of the force choke?
Speaker 2: I would say probably not, because the Sith were around
Speaker 2: like two thousand years before this, but it is the
Speaker 2: first time we've seen it in this era.
Speaker 3: She begins to choke him and as she does so,
Speaker 3: and this.
Speaker 2: Was I thought very cool, especially as someone who loves
Speaker 2: Kaiber Crystal law. She picks up Soul's old lightsaber and
Speaker 2: it is the Crystal's already cracked the Kaiber crystal, and
Speaker 2: we see for the first time on screen how a
Speaker 2: Scith or a would be sith with what we call
Speaker 2: bully a lightsaber, which is where their anger and their
Speaker 2: fury and their hate corrupts it and changes it from
Speaker 2: the light side color of blue or yellow or whatever
Speaker 2: in this case blue to red, and we kind of
Speaker 2: see the battle on the blade between the blue and
Speaker 2: the red, but ultimately the red winds and Osha kills
Speaker 2: saul In in quite a bleat fashion.
Speaker 3: At the beginning of this he's like, yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 3: do it. I've had enough eye suck.
Speaker 2: But in the beginning of the episode there was actually
Speaker 2: like a warning that says something like intense violence or
Speaker 2: extreme violence, and we were in the discord and we
Speaker 2: were really wondering what that would be, and we post
Speaker 2: the end of the episode. I do think it was
Speaker 2: this scene because for Disney Bluff, it is kind of
Speaker 2: gruesome because you see this man get choked to death.
Speaker 3: Then the Jedi come.
Speaker 2: In and so Osha and May and Kaimera are like,
Speaker 2: oh what do we do? Like can't see the Jedi,
Speaker 2: you know, even though as in pre production Jason made
Speaker 2: a great point, the Jedi are eager to cover this up.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 1: They can't wait for this case thing over. They tried
Speaker 1: to cover it up years ago. They don't want to
Speaker 1: be looking into it now they it's done, There will
Speaker 1: be no one investigating this.
Speaker 2: Ever, wha it comes next is probably not necessary, but
Speaker 2: maybe is narratively necessary to set up the show and
Speaker 2: keep it in the timelines. But May and Osha and
Speaker 2: Kaimer have a deep conversation, and Osha and May decide
Speaker 2: the only thing they can do is wipe May's memory
Speaker 2: so that the Jedi won't remember. You know what, I
Speaker 2: think I was saying this to Joel, but I think
Speaker 2: what actually the reason they had to do this is
Speaker 2: because narratively, at this time, the Jedi am not supposed
Speaker 2: to know this if exists. So I think they had
Speaker 2: to wipe the memory of anyone who could be a
Speaker 2: witness in this case May because she was going to
Speaker 2: be found back into.
Speaker 3: The Jedi fold.
Speaker 2: So I think that was more of a timeline issue
Speaker 2: because narratively, I feel like you guys could have just
Speaker 2: run away.
Speaker 3: We know that they just run away the dark side.
Speaker 1: You're looking burning corps like there's no one looking anymore.
Speaker 1: It's done.
Speaker 2: You guys could have just gone and lived in your happy,
Speaker 2: little weird sister.
Speaker 3: So they wipe the mind.
Speaker 2: It's very sad, and the Jedi come klime it and
Speaker 2: Osha head off. May gets picked up by Vanestra. Phil
Speaker 2: like they didn't think that through. I feel like they
Speaker 2: could have dropped her off somewhere else in the outer
Speaker 2: rim or something.
Speaker 3: Gets picked up by Vnestra doesn't remember her sister. We
Speaker 3: see that.
Speaker 2: Venestra just solidly throws Soul under the bus, goes to
Speaker 2: the Jedi Council.
Speaker 3: She's like, bro, this guy was crazy. He did some
Speaker 3: dodgy shit a long time ago, and.
Speaker 2: Then he went and he killed his fellow Jedi.
Speaker 3: You believe it.
Speaker 2: I feel like that a deep, deep mistake in this plan,
Speaker 2: because surely you want to like let them know that
Speaker 2: there's some kind of issue. But anyway, David Hayward is like, bro,
Speaker 2: we gotta do the Jedi audit now. This is the
Speaker 2: kind of shenanigans they're getting up to. Jedis are going
Speaker 2: on murders. Wh It's not going well. We then see
Speaker 2: o Shirt and Kaimer and they're looking out very AO
Speaker 2: three moment here. I know Leslie is a fanfit girlie
Speaker 2: for sure. They're looking out at the sunset. Ohsh's holding
Speaker 2: her newly red corrupted sift lightsaber, and Kimer puts his
Speaker 2: hand over hers and does a little thumb touch, touches
Speaker 2: the thumb.
Speaker 3: On the thumb. Oh baby, I was screaming, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie. They got me with that one.
Speaker 2: Then, just in case you weren't sure that Vanestra did
Speaker 2: not have a very good instincts, after lying to the
Speaker 2: Jedi Council, she calls somebody up. Sounds like she's talking
Speaker 2: to maybe Senator Intern Palpatine. I'm not sure, but that
Speaker 2: is a worthwhile mention that it could be a young Palpi.
Speaker 3: And then she goes to see Yoda, who, by the way,
Speaker 3: is already like eight hundred years old. At this point.
Speaker 3: My man is get tired. We see the back of
Speaker 3: his head. She's like, we need to talk.
Speaker 2: My reading of that is there is some kind of
Speaker 2: higher Jedi council than the Jedi Council, some kind of
Speaker 2: sea group that is trying to see if the dark
Speaker 2: side rises.
Speaker 3: But honestly, spoiler a lot, guys, it's it's not gonna work.
Speaker 3: We've said, we've seen what happens.
Speaker 1: Honestly, at this point, I think it's just Vnestra and
Speaker 1: Yoda being like, you know, Vnestra going to Yoda to
Speaker 1: be like, hey.
Speaker 4: We fucked up again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, She's like I basically the ability.
Speaker 1: Just so you know, I fucked up again. I had
Speaker 1: to burn several corpses and pin the whole thing on Saul,
Speaker 1: that thing you know, wink wink that we talked about
Speaker 1: a while back, And uh, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: With the Oh and by the way, now May the
Speaker 2: twin sister, the twin Force child who all this was about,
Speaker 2: is now in my custody. She has no memory of
Speaker 2: her sister, and I'm gonna use her to find my
Speaker 2: former student.
Speaker 3: Dun't dunt dua kimer.
Speaker 5: We all called it.
Speaker 3: He had that whip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that big whip shape on his back.
Speaker 2: We know that Vnestra has the whip saber. There's clearly
Speaker 2: something there with them. Was it a Kylo ren esque
Speaker 2: situation where she saw the dark side in him, or
Speaker 2: was the dark side what drew her to him, because
Speaker 2: in the books, Vnestra's whip is seen as kind of
Speaker 2: dark side leaning. Vnestra's ability to sense the Force memories
Speaker 2: that's seen as something that's a little bit beyond the
Speaker 2: light side.
Speaker 3: So maybe there's something interesting there. I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll have to find out in season two. But before
Speaker 2: we guess what might happen in season two, we have
Speaker 2: to bring in the Jedi Council.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the Council Chamber, super Producer's era in
Speaker 1: Aboo and Joel Folks, let's go around the table. Joel
Speaker 1: will start with you your thoughts on this season of
Speaker 1: The Acolyte.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: Okay, So, first of all, for fans who don't know,
Speaker 6: I have a Soilca' light sabers tattooed on me. So
Speaker 6: I'm like Star Wars fanatic. I am obsessed with this universe.
Speaker 6: I refuse to leave if they could give me six
Speaker 6: more bad shows and I'm not going anywhere. Sorry, Disney,
Speaker 6: cover your ears. You didn't hear any of that, but
Speaker 6: it's my truth. And I'm so frustrated with this series
Speaker 6: because it gave me so many things I wanted.
Speaker 4: Did I get more witches? I sure did? Were they
Speaker 4: cool as? Absolutely they were? I got an.
Speaker 6: Enemy's to lovers romance, great one that works. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 6: not a ray Loo Stan. Though I respect everyone's fandom choices.
Speaker 6: This one is working for me and I really enjoy it.
Speaker 6: I got black women in Star Wars. Every time they
Speaker 6: show up as just delightful. We've gotten more recently. I'll
Speaker 6: take more in the future, please, And I really enjoyed.
Speaker 6: Like I thought, the fight Sequich was really exciting.
Speaker 4: I love the idea.
Speaker 6: They're so good, and I love the idea of even
Speaker 6: you know, corrupt or misguided Jedi.
Speaker 4: And here's where I start.
Speaker 6: To have my frustrations. When it started, I thought we
Speaker 6: were getting like a Cops and Robbers sort of situation,
Speaker 6: a Noir thriller, if you will, a big mystery over
Speaker 6: what happened. And I thought we were really gonna explore
Speaker 6: like the dark side that lives within the Jedi. Instead,
Speaker 6: what we got was a confused individual's poor decisions, which
Speaker 6: could be interesting if you have a deeper connection with
Speaker 6: the individual.
Speaker 4: I love Soul as a character.
Speaker 6: When he's first introduced, like Oh my gosh, here's a
Speaker 6: Jedi that's actually embodying this like monk like philosophy and ideology,
Speaker 6: and we're gonna see like how like where did this
Speaker 6: turn happen for him?
Speaker 4: And why?
Speaker 6: And we even get the speech in the finale of
Speaker 6: like listen, he was a good guy who made bad choices.
Speaker 6: But I didn't get to see enough of him being
Speaker 6: a quote good guy or enough of him being a
Speaker 6: quote bad guy to justify this dichotomy of symbolism within him,
Speaker 6: like I just I need who Whistle as a teach,
Speaker 6: like we needed more soul teaching Jackie. We got little
Speaker 6: kernels of it and they were okay, but right enough.
Speaker 6: We don't know anything about May and that will kill me.
Speaker 6: Until I don't, I can't understand the show's reasoning. To me,
Speaker 6: the show sets up very early on that it is
Speaker 6: vital for us to understand why this coven split a
Speaker 6: person into two parts and what that means to these
Speaker 6: two individuals walking around. To me, we've seen what happens
Speaker 6: when you split a person in popcul like I think
Speaker 6: maybe the most recent and popular would be on Rick
Speaker 6: and Morty. Right, Rick and Morty go into their little
Speaker 6: machine they excise the negative aspects of themselves and they
Speaker 6: spit out the good sides, and you get to see, like,
Speaker 6: if your negative side is just this and your positive
Speaker 6: side just this, how would you live?
Speaker 4: And what does that mean to you?
Speaker 6: And what do you miss about the and what do
Speaker 6: people you love miss about these other parts? But we
Speaker 6: don't have any understanding of what it means for these
Speaker 6: two individuals to be separated. I never got to be
Speaker 6: the sisters who love each other. They have a word
Speaker 6: phrase that they use, but I don't think Osha has
Speaker 6: any loving connections or memories to that phrase other than
Speaker 6: we said it a lot as a kid, and I
Speaker 6: don't know what it means, and therefore everything around that
Speaker 6: very important plot line has no value to me. And
Speaker 6: then at the end they sort of disrupt it by
Speaker 6: sending May off by herself in a massively confusing decision.
Speaker 6: Why can't she stay with them? She has the same
Speaker 6: agendas I thought, but they're like, no, you have to go,
Speaker 6: and she's like, it's totally fine, wipe my memory. I
Speaker 6: would have six thousand questions, what memories are you raising?
Speaker 3: The dark side lets people hide?
Speaker 2: Yes, we all know that they could have used their
Speaker 2: dock side palace to hide from the gem.
Speaker 6: We could have had MESSI love triangle, Like, there are
Speaker 6: just so many things we could have had here of
Speaker 6: like who is but again, who has made of Osha?
Speaker 5: What is?
Speaker 6: I just there's so many questions, And I really feel
Speaker 6: like everything that worked was working on such a high
Speaker 6: frequency that it is crazy to me that everything that
Speaker 6: didn't work tank to the show this bad. I demand
Speaker 6: a season two. I demand that Doesney get together and
Speaker 6: just like be like, maybe just leave the writers alone,
Speaker 6: because the writing team is spectacular. They've all produced really
Speaker 6: quality work before. I just I don't know what happened
Speaker 6: that this is what we ended up with. But I
Speaker 6: remain maybe stupidly hopeful that we can get it in
Speaker 6: line for another season, because again, I just there.
Speaker 4: Was so much to enjoy.
Speaker 2: Jason, you talked you've done some when we've been talking
Speaker 2: about this in pre pro. You've talked a lot about
Speaker 2: the pacing, and I think you really did hit on
Speaker 2: something there, So could you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: It just feels to me like the main problem for me,
Speaker 1: and I agree with basically everything that Joelle said, which
Speaker 1: is the highs, the things that work work amazingly well.
Speaker 1: It felt to me as if either the budget got
Speaker 1: slashed in the middle, or some other kind of production
Speaker 1: hiccup happened and they ended up having to stretch, you know,
Speaker 1: four episodes of content into eight episodes of TV. And
Speaker 1: it feels as if every time you're starting to get
Speaker 1: some momentum off a really cool reveal or a wonderful
Speaker 1: character moment, it's then sabotaged by this really bizarre pacing.
Speaker 1: And here's the primary example. Why are we getting the
Speaker 1: conflict between Venestra and the Senate in the final episode?
Speaker 1: Why am I meeting a new character in the final episode?
Speaker 1: Why am I just yeah, Why am I just meeting
Speaker 1: Senator Raincourt? Like he should be there from episode one
Speaker 1: so you understand the pressure of the Jedi under It's
Speaker 1: absolutely insane to just meet him in the final twenty
Speaker 1: minutes of the entire season. That's crazy. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things like that, Like I would have the
Speaker 1: Bottle episode flashback, make that episode one, and then turn
Speaker 1: this whole thing. It's basically a bad cop story about
Speaker 1: a case that went bad that a bunch of dirty
Speaker 1: cops have been trying to suppress. All this time, So
Speaker 1: give that to us up front, and then you know,
Speaker 1: make it a true noir in which these dirty cops
Speaker 1: are trying everything they can do to either solve this
Speaker 1: problem or suppress the news about this and everything they
Speaker 1: try gets worse. That's kind of fun and a more
Speaker 1: streamlined thing. And like so many characters that popped Jacky
Speaker 1: we loved did we not love yours?
Speaker 4: Ord?
Speaker 1: Who is like you had such a straight buy the
Speaker 1: book guy and annoying, but at the same time really
Speaker 1: great TV and great story fodder. The fact that we
Speaker 1: lose them where we lose them.
Speaker 5: Is is weird to me.
Speaker 3: It feels more like a penal choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that should be later. We shouldn't be meeting
Speaker 1: new characters. Like the confrontation between Veinestra and Center Graincourt
Speaker 1: felt like something that was originally at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season that they then moved to the end for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. And Venestra should have been much more central
Speaker 1: to the story, should have been in it more so
Speaker 1: all of that stuff worked, it just felt like it
Speaker 1: was all like in the wrong order.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it and it creates this feeling of the ship
Speaker 1: never landed, like there's no meet, no satisfaction to any reveal.
Speaker 1: The mystery quote unquote of the of the story dribbles
Speaker 1: out at such a strange pace that you keep being like,
Speaker 1: well is that it?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: Now is that it?
Speaker 1: And there's never that moment where you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: and I think what's so disappointed about it? For me personally,
Speaker 1: is like so many things worked so like the highs
Speaker 1: are so high, the promise is there. You could see
Speaker 1: how good it almost was, and it's like, what is it?
Speaker 1: I used the line that Rosie then asked me, which
Speaker 1: is it? It felt like, you know, ultimately, I I
Speaker 1: think that Book of Boba Fet, which is a show
Speaker 1: that I'm eventually going to rank when we do our rankings,
Speaker 1: like towards the bottom of the live action list. The
Speaker 1: peaks of Acolyte were higher than the peaks of Book
Speaker 1: of Boafet. But Book of Boba Fet I quickly was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what this is. This is like a summer
Speaker 1: fling and I'm going to enjoy this, whereas the Acolyte
Speaker 1: I wanted to fall in love with the Akolite with
Speaker 1: what I was seeing, with the promise of it, and
Speaker 1: I just never got there, So ultimately I'm disappointed, but
Speaker 1: I like Joelle And again, Disney, I hope you're not listening.
Speaker 1: I'll be back.
Speaker 4: I'll be back.
Speaker 2: Aaron, you had some really good thoughts on like kind
Speaker 2: of what Jason was saying about how Vun could have
Speaker 2: played like a bigger part, So like, what were your
Speaker 2: thoughts on the finale and the season as a whole.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I thought it would have been as much
Speaker 7: as I loved Jord, and Jord was a very interesting character,
Speaker 7: and obviously we have a contractual require to feature that
Speaker 7: haircut in any Star.
Speaker 5: Wars propty that comes up.
Speaker 7: I think Vern could have played that role, been on
Speaker 7: the ship, been the rule follower, the one who's really
Speaker 7: focused on making sure everything's done by the book quote unquote,
Speaker 7: And we didn't necessarily need Ord. Jord and Jeckie, two
Speaker 7: great characters, are removed at the end of episode four,
Speaker 7: and then it's just like we spent all this time
Speaker 7: and build up with them. We had the potential romance
Speaker 7: with Jeckie and like and that.
Speaker 5: Didn't matter anymore.
Speaker 7: Also, kind of echoing Joel, Joel, anytime there are black
Speaker 7: women in Star Wars, that's huged for you anytime. For
Speaker 7: me as someone who's Chinese anytime they're Asians love it.
Speaker 7: So I am a huge fan of a lot of
Speaker 7: moments of this and Joelle really thoughtful reactions. A boob
Speaker 7: will have some great ones as well. I'm going to
Speaker 7: do a very different reaction that may be a little
Speaker 7: more tailored to Jason. This show, the first half reminded
Speaker 7: me a lot of like La Clippers. You have these
Speaker 7: huge moments this season. It's such high highs and I
Speaker 7: was so excited for what could happen, and then it
Speaker 7: just fell apart.
Speaker 5: I still love the end. I still love this episode.
Speaker 7: And like I am someone who my consumption of Star
Speaker 7: Wars content is pretty much the main big and pole
Speaker 7: properties unless it's something that involves Throng, in which case
Speaker 7: I will.
Speaker 8: Have all of it.
Speaker 5: But there was a lot of this where I was
Speaker 5: just like, oh, this is.
Speaker 7: Really cool, Like I know there's something about uh, you know,
Speaker 7: it's the Star Wars, like the lights they were bleeding
Speaker 7: and it's cool to finally see it. And like there's
Speaker 7: a lot of moments like that that I just was
Speaker 7: all on board for. Yeah, so I was I probably
Speaker 7: liked it more than most people. And I thought this
Speaker 7: episode was a lot of fun. Obviously, there are so
Speaker 7: many things that could have been done better. And like
Speaker 7: every time we saw Kime here he was the everyone
Speaker 7: fell in love with him. In episode four when the
Speaker 7: turn happens and then he got benched, he was like,
Speaker 7: he didn't come back in that way, and it was
Speaker 7: I waited for four more weeks just to get today's episode,
Speaker 7: and then I was like, oh my god, I love him,
Speaker 7: give me him fighting everyone.
Speaker 5: I just want a TV show of him. So that's
Speaker 5: that's those are my main points.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: Aboo, what was your vibe? What's your read on the Acolyte?
Speaker 9: I mean I echo a lot of what this council
Speaker 9: has already said. I think we generally generally feel the
Speaker 9: same way. But I'll try I'll try to add some
Speaker 9: add some thoughts that haven't been brought up yet. First
Speaker 9: of all, I totally agree we get some high highs.
Speaker 9: This show is toying with and playing with some ideas
Speaker 9: that feels so fresh and so unique in the Star
Speaker 9: Wars universe. Who has power, who's allowed to wield it?
Speaker 9: Amazing thought. I wish we'd gone deeper on that. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I honestly in this finale episode had goosebumps watching the
Speaker 9: lightsaber color change as we saw the bleeding of the crystal,
Speaker 9: which I think is the first time we're seeing that
Speaker 9: in live action.
Speaker 8: It happened in the video game with Calkestis.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but this is the first time we've seen it, first.
Speaker 8: Time in live action.
Speaker 9: Incredible stuff and again manages into my goodness, like time
Speaker 9: here his reveal managed us into was easily a highlight
Speaker 9: of the show, and to Aaron's point, gets benched for
Speaker 9: multiple episodes and is really only around to Flex's biceps
Speaker 9: and we both us and Osha and maybe.
Speaker 5: Which is more than enough.
Speaker 1: In every property, it reminds me of just briefly, it
Speaker 1: reminds me of I don't know how many people are
Speaker 1: watching Love Island, but he reminds me of Rock.
Speaker 8: I've seen every season of Love Island. Yeah, yeah, about that.
Speaker 9: The thing that didn't work for me is that most
Speaker 9: of this season hinged on the events of Brendoc, which
Speaker 9: we saw in episode seven. But I was not sold
Speaker 9: on the events of brent Dock. It was like a
Speaker 9: series of unfortunate events that happened and nobody was necessary
Speaker 9: Early at fault, like I didn't think Saul was that
Speaker 9: bad a guy if some woman turned into a ghost
Speaker 9: next to me, and maybe I'm also going to defend myself,
Speaker 9: like what's happening, You're turning into a ghost. Torbin also
Speaker 9: is just like a homesick kid who like overstepped and
Speaker 9: also got his mind messed with, Like nobody really did
Speaker 9: anything that bad, So like, are we really toying with
Speaker 9: any like deep ideas about Jedi good, Jedi bad Jedi
Speaker 9: dogma stage.
Speaker 6: And that could have worked even like it could have
Speaker 6: been really amazing to see so many people in misunderstanding conflict, right,
Speaker 6: Like that's really intriguing. And I mean, if we're just
Speaker 6: talking real well, like that's a thing that the police were,
Speaker 6: like we didn't know we had bad information, someone sent
Speaker 6: us the wrong address, killed somebody. It's awful and that
Speaker 6: can be like dramatically compelling. But again, without spending enough
Speaker 6: time with these characters and understanding confidently who was experience
Speaker 6: what and then also experiencing what point of view we're
Speaker 6: seeing these events from, if it just became really muddled
Speaker 6: by the end.
Speaker 2: I think that Jason struck on specifically without changing too
Speaker 2: much about what happened.
Speaker 3: I think about so many great crime movies.
Speaker 2: I've seen so many thrillers, so many slasher movies even
Speaker 2: right they often begin with a simple human error or
Speaker 2: something that goes too far a situation you lose control of.
Speaker 2: You see it at the beginning, you understand what happened,
Speaker 2: and then you see the impact of covering that up throughout.
Speaker 2: I think that if in Jason's vision of it being
Speaker 2: the first episode and kind of that almost that Colombo
Speaker 2: cold open where you get to see what happened, I
Speaker 2: think that would have been really impactful because you kind
Speaker 2: of get that human error aspect, which I found very
Speaker 2: tragic the way they portrayed it, and then you don't
Speaker 2: sell it on the mystery. I think that's the problem
Speaker 2: because by the time you got to episode seven in
Speaker 2: our discord, in the June Pod Discord Escape Discord, everyone's like,
Speaker 2: it has to be episode seven.
Speaker 3: What happens on episode seven? What like, what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: And then you get to the point where it's not
Speaker 2: necessarily the clear cut, black and white bad or good thing,
Speaker 2: but also it's not as complex and deep as we
Speaker 2: may have been hoping for. So I think that that
Speaker 2: the pacing and the positioning again is probably why that
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily hit in the same way.
Speaker 9: Like Rosie, your point there just made me realize the
Speaker 9: more interesting story here to tell I think, Joel, you're
Speaker 9: getting at this too, is the cover up, not actually
Speaker 9: the events that happened. But this season is acting like
Speaker 9: the events are the main story. Like the more interesting
Speaker 9: is like for Nestra politicking and hiding things, Soul and
Speaker 9: Torbin and all of them living with the guilt and
Speaker 9: covering it up, and like that's the more interesting story.
Speaker 8: But that took a back seat to Brenda.
Speaker 1: It felt as if and again I don't know, the
Speaker 1: creative team behind this is incredible, that extremely talent, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm coming off telling
Speaker 1: them how to do their job. And it feels like
Speaker 1: to me, having you know, been around productions and you know,
Speaker 1: talk knowing a lot of writers and producers, it feels
Speaker 1: to me like something happened from above, either a budget
Speaker 1: thing or making the question about power and the corrupting
Speaker 1: nature of power. Attacking that question centrally through the lens
Speaker 1: of the Jedi felt like a little bit too much.
Speaker 1: I could see the note being are we throwing the
Speaker 1: Jedis under the bus too much? And so it felt
Speaker 1: as if, to Joelle's point, like they were trying to
Speaker 1: serve too many things at once and make, you know,
Speaker 1: a good guys versus bad guys story, but also like
Speaker 1: a great Jedi story, but also like a corruption story,
Speaker 1: but also like a justice and guilt story. And I
Speaker 1: think ultimately this show needed to pick like two lane, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lane, rather than try and serve like three lanes.
Speaker 1: And that goes for too many characters, too many plots,
Speaker 1: too many themes, and because I like all the things
Speaker 1: that are there, Yeah, but I'm disappointed that we didn't
Speaker 1: have time to go deeper into those things, right, whether
Speaker 1: it's character, plot, whatever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like they didn't, like you've a lot
Speaker 7: of you have mentioned putting the flashback as the first episode,
Speaker 7: and I wonder if there was some direction of we
Speaker 7: can't set up the Jedi as the bad guy right
Speaker 7: off the bat, like we would not surprise me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: And so I think that's probably why we get four
Speaker 7: episodes of we like the Jedi, there is some someone
Speaker 7: killing Jedi, and we get these characters we like, like
Speaker 7: Jord and Jeckie and then it has to be oh,
Speaker 7: never mind, actually we get rid of the ones you love.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it'sally supposed to be a Sith based story
Speaker 6: and disease, Like, we're not doing a Sith main character
Speaker 6: story to jump off.
Speaker 2: I think Leslie like snuck that in there really well
Speaker 2: because Osha is the main character and Osha becomes a Sith.
Speaker 2: But it also, like Leslie definitely in those you know,
Speaker 2: D twenty three, those kind of big moments, was definitely
Speaker 2: talking about it being a seduction story, a Sith story.
Speaker 2: I also something me and Joel thought about like throughout
Speaker 2: this season is like, I feel like the pacing issues
Speaker 2: could definitely have come from this being a way less
Speaker 2: linear and like stranger narrative, kind of like Russian doll
Speaker 2: or a little bit more akin to other stuff Leslie
Speaker 2: had done. And then when you kind of chop that
Speaker 2: up and try and make it more of a straightforward narrative,
Speaker 2: I wonder if it loses some of the juice. And again,
Speaker 2: like that's not me pretending I know anything about how
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes went, but it does feel like
Speaker 2: it's possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I think that, you know, on a certain level,
Speaker 1: I think that I empathize with the struggle that the
Speaker 1: people who make hype have. You know, on the one hand,
Speaker 1: like stories have to evolve, that's the nature of stories.
Speaker 1: At the same time, like you know, it's complicated because
Speaker 1: the audience wants the same thing, but they want it
Speaker 1: in a different way. And asking yourself, well, are we
Speaker 1: selling out our audience who has grown up with a
Speaker 1: certain picture of the Jedi in their minds, who love
Speaker 1: the Jedi? Are we selling them out too much to
Speaker 1: evolve the story in a way that is reasonable and
Speaker 1: actually natural. And I and I completely empathize with that.
Speaker 1: I just think that this is it feels as if
Speaker 1: those tensions are reflected too much.
Speaker 2: In Yes, I will also say as well, even with
Speaker 2: the version that we got, a lot of people felt
Speaker 2: like they went too hard on the Jedi. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of people who still felt like it was
Speaker 2: a it was an actively I'm going.
Speaker 1: To defend them.
Speaker 5: I'm going to defend the Jedi.
Speaker 1: I want to defend them such in a small way,
Speaker 1: it's a big galaxy. There's a lot of jethentic sol
Speaker 1: and I think we need to get away from both
Speaker 1: in the macro sense. With Star Wars, when a badge.
Speaker 1: When a show happens, it disappoints I don't want to
Speaker 1: call it bad, but it disappoints us. We should we should, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, steer away from these knee jerk reactions where
Speaker 1: like Star Star Wars is bad now because this one
Speaker 1: show happened. And I also think that because of the
Speaker 1: Jedi is such a huge organization, we should also steer
Speaker 1: away from being like, well, the Jedi are bad because
Speaker 1: Soul is a fucking nut job to get hold of them.
Speaker 6: But I think you're like, the crux of the issue
Speaker 6: is Star Wars right now is like trying to please fans.
Speaker 4: I think is the problem.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying in essentily you have a responsibility to
Speaker 6: your fans. We're the ones coming back. We spend money,
Speaker 6: We've invested years of our lives into this content. I
Speaker 6: understand that there's a level of respect that's necessary. But
Speaker 6: in the same way, like, man, I I'm sorry that
Speaker 6: Star Wars has to deal with and or that's all.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's very.
Speaker 4: Fun, but it's there and we can't help. We're humans.
Speaker 6: We have to compare and contrast, and I think that
Speaker 6: it's it's frustrating to me that if you can have
Speaker 6: something as pushing the boundaries as and or as as
Speaker 6: outside of the stereotypical Star Wars boxes and or that
Speaker 6: there should still be fear within the company of being like, well,
Speaker 6: we're not sure if we can do that, or we
Speaker 6: have so much. They didn't like it when you were
Speaker 6: safe and you gave them everything. They don't like it
Speaker 6: when it's completely different. They didn't always going to be nasayers.
Speaker 6: I wish they would just focus on telling a good story.
Speaker 6: Just tell me a good story period.
Speaker 2: Before we get the council to rank their favorite live
Speaker 2: action Star Wars stories. I just want to say, as
Speaker 2: the general contrarian, I am more aligned with Aaron and
Speaker 2: I actually thought this episode was quite good.
Speaker 3: And I just want to say that I am grateful
Speaker 3: to Leslie for the enemies to love a storyline. I
Speaker 3: screamed the thumbtauch and really, I like, it's like.
Speaker 2: Just doing stuff, so I'm a sucker. Really like, if
Speaker 2: they just want to do like kimeron May that Kimer
Speaker 2: and Osha they're just trying to be dark side, I'll
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I'm in here for it.
Speaker 7: Also, while we're talking about moments, that like we screamed
Speaker 7: in I had so much fun in the lightsaber fight
Speaker 7: with Soul and Kaimer when he detaches and has the
Speaker 7: Perry dagger and he throws them and then Soul puts
Speaker 7: his saber away and force.
Speaker 5: Pushes them all. Amazing, amazing.
Speaker 3: Job.
Speaker 8: Yes the joke.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I made the catching Tiger hitting Dragon Sorrows crossovers
Speaker 6: one hundred.
Speaker 1: Can I ask one question before we before we go
Speaker 1: to our rankings? Do you think that this story is
Speaker 1: improved with some sort of flashback or exposition about Saul's motivations,
Speaker 1: Like why does Saul yes gravitate to May and Osha
Speaker 1: so strongly?
Speaker 4: What is it like?
Speaker 1: I feel like if there would have been something about him, we.
Speaker 4: Just need to know what Saul was like as a padawan.
Speaker 6: We get a tease of it in episode one where
Speaker 6: they're like She's like, oh, this is what you were
Speaker 6: like as a padawan, and right, yeah, but never who
Speaker 6: were you as a padawan? Who trained you? And why
Speaker 6: do you feel this deep need to like pass on
Speaker 6: your knowledge or to work with someone in this mass?
Speaker 4: Like what does it mean? I have no idea what
Speaker 4: it means.
Speaker 6: The Soul and it made his death, Like I don't
Speaker 6: want to say meaningless, but I was just like, I
Speaker 6: don't I'm understanding.
Speaker 1: It felt like I didn't. It felt like I never understood.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A simple like five minute scene that just like
Speaker 2: is Soul and Venestra in the era of the Brendoc
Speaker 2: indcident drinking like tea or something in a canteena talking
Speaker 2: about Saul's issues with like being obsessed. Why is he
Speaker 2: obsessed with passing on his knowledge? Why does he want
Speaker 2: a padawan so much? We could have learned a lot
Speaker 2: about both of them. I think there's some kind of
Speaker 2: flashback between the two that could have built them out
Speaker 2: a little bit more and built out that relationship a
Speaker 2: little bit more that I think would have made a
Speaker 2: big difference. Also, something I want to pose to you guys,
Speaker 2: and you can just do like a yes or no.
Speaker 2: But something in the discord that I thought was interesting
Speaker 2: was people were definitely like wondering, especially people who hadn't
Speaker 2: been big fans of the show and then had kind
Speaker 2: of come to it by the time the finale ended.
Speaker 3: Will it be better if you just watch it in
Speaker 3: one go?
Speaker 2: Like is part of what it was unsatisfying about the show,
Speaker 2: the way that they cut up the story because the
Speaker 2: episodes are thirty five minutes or forty eight minutes. So
Speaker 2: I'm interested, like, will you go back and binge watch
Speaker 2: it and see how it looks.
Speaker 6: I think I would have a higher Rotten Tomatoes score
Speaker 6: if during a binge as opposed to a weekly watch.
Speaker 6: But I don't think it would have resolved the many.
Speaker 4: Issues I have with the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, exactly, Yeah, yeah, I just want to complain
Speaker 1: about one thing. I'm sorry to be negative, but like
Speaker 1: the mind wiping thing.
Speaker 4: It's so.
Speaker 1: Unnecessary, the lie. The Cimers line, Well, if I could
Speaker 1: find you, the Jedi can find Yeah, but you followed,
Speaker 1: you literally followed a person.
Speaker 2: Not just that, but you have a selection as a
Speaker 2: master and apprentice with both of these Wales.
Speaker 1: So like and and second Darrel and the Jed, I
Speaker 1: still find as we said, the Jedi don't want to look.
Speaker 3: They're done. They're done with this case.
Speaker 1: It's over, has covered up multiple crimes and murders, is burning,
Speaker 1: is actively burning by in the.
Speaker 3: World existed, Like you can just sho, you could just go.
Speaker 1: They're not looking anymore.
Speaker 4: She's lied to the Senate. It's done.
Speaker 1: They're not looking for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, Joel, what's you to a live action ranking?
Speaker 6: Okay, very bottom. I'm sorry, but it's get it out
Speaker 6: of here. I don't I didn't need it. I did't
Speaker 6: get anything from it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: Then I'm sorry because we got the Anakin we always deserved,
Speaker 6: but Obi wan Kenobi again, a lot of things I
Speaker 6: didn't need. Even though we got a cool blacksmith lady.
Speaker 6: She had to deal with a lot of trauma for
Speaker 6: a show that I'm never going to rewatch. So uh,
Speaker 6: then season three of The Mandalorian, I'm separating them because
Speaker 6: the Mandalorian.
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 1: Done that together.
Speaker 4: So then then I would.
Speaker 2: Put a Soca.
Speaker 6: Then I would put a Soca for episode five alone,
Speaker 6: which was it was psiconic.
Speaker 4: I love Soka. Then I would do this show then
Speaker 4: then Acolyte, then the rest of of Uh. The Mandalorian
Speaker 4: thinks all of that.
Speaker 3: And Or would be a number one again and Or
Speaker 3: it does not.
Speaker 4: We don't even talk about it. Number one. It is
Speaker 4: it is the best. It is the best one. So
Speaker 4: that's my ranking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree mine is. And Or then you're
Speaker 2: going I'm doing top down, I'm doing reverse and Or.
Speaker 3: Is number one.
Speaker 2: Mandalorian on average is number two. I would say Acolyte
Speaker 2: for me is number three because I do think that
Speaker 2: the highs of it are high enough to it's reasonable
Speaker 2: to go over to average out over my next one,
Speaker 2: which would be ah Sosoka.
Speaker 3: Hilariously, I will say after the top two, I.
Speaker 2: Do think this is very equal. Like I don't think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of difference apart from Mandalorian. I think
Speaker 2: once you average them out, because like I actually you know, Ahsoka,
Speaker 2: I loved seeing Ezra, I love seeing Sabine Tho's had
Speaker 2: some really big highs. Then Obi w again lots of moments.
Speaker 2: I really loved Boba FETs going at the bottom, but
Speaker 2: not because of not because subjectively I enjoyed it the least.
Speaker 2: It's because objectively I don't think it's as good as
Speaker 2: some of the other ones. But as somebody who grew
Speaker 2: up and like serialized storytelling, I still think Boba Fet
Speaker 2: is actually like a fun weekend Saturday morning show, but
Speaker 2: it's not like this Prestige TV event. So that would
Speaker 2: be mine, Jason watsh.
Speaker 1: Your's I Am Gonna Go, and or number one of course,
Speaker 1: Mando number two, and then you drop off a click
Speaker 1: exactly the Star Wars live Action. It's the conversation is
Speaker 1: really about what an immense drop off from the first
Speaker 1: two there are so okay, and or Book of Boba.
Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, Uhorian, Then oh gosh, I'm gonna go Ahsoka,
Speaker 1: the Acolyte Obi Wan Kenobi Book of Ba.
Speaker 2: If we were including animated series, this would be a
Speaker 2: very different listing.
Speaker 5: I can't say that, but but we're.
Speaker 2: Doing live action because we have a limited time and
Speaker 2: we're all yappers aboo.
Speaker 9: All right, I'll be quick. I'll start from the bottom.
Speaker 9: Boba weird to have a TV show I had to watch.
Speaker 8: To understand another TV show. It's like a halfway Mandalorian Seas.
Speaker 9: Then, honestly, for me, Ahsoka next, this might get me
Speaker 9: kicked off the Council that I've never watched Rebels, so
Speaker 9: none of that made sense to me. I watched the
Speaker 9: Ahsoka so confused. So then it's Acolyte squarely in the
Speaker 9: middle for me.
Speaker 8: Highs were high, lows are low.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna put Obi Wan up there just because I
Speaker 9: loved having Anakin back.
Speaker 5: That was a great for that.
Speaker 9: And then Mando seasons one through three love those and
Speaker 9: then yeah, then there's like a country mile climb before
Speaker 9: you get to end, or like I watched the stellin
Speaker 9: Scars Guard speech sometimes just to feel something again.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, will they ever like stop wishing they didn't
Speaker 2: let Tony Gilory make that show.
Speaker 3: I feel like every day that in those exact offices,
Speaker 3: like what do we do then? But it's like making
Speaker 3: like mad Men and.
Speaker 2: Just being like here you go, now make like five
Speaker 2: other seasons that as opposed to be like this.
Speaker 3: Aaron. The final member of the Jedi Council.
Speaker 5: Obi Wan and Boba Fet tied at the bottom. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's a tear for me.
Speaker 8: It doesn't it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 7: I have ah Soka slightly higher than Accolyte because as
Speaker 7: opposed to a boo like I have a strong emotional
Speaker 7: connection to the Ahsoka story.
Speaker 5: Love her.
Speaker 7: I love seeing all those frankly super hot characters like
Speaker 7: in live action incredible everyone in that show. I wanted
Speaker 7: more stories, Aaron said.
Speaker 2: I now I can be attracted to someone who's not
Speaker 2: a cartoon character in real.
Speaker 7: Life and new characters like I love, I loved. I
Speaker 7: think that those Sith are some of my I mean,
Speaker 7: we had we've really had great news time here is amazing.
Speaker 7: I am going to break from consensus. I will do
Speaker 7: and or a second.
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 7: But again with emotional pick, Mandalorian season one meant so
Speaker 7: much coming out with crazy Pandemic, like everyone in the
Speaker 7: world is watching this show. Baby Yoda is like the
Speaker 7: biggest thing in the world. Like that has left more
Speaker 7: obviously and our great, great, great show objectively a better show. Emotionally,
Speaker 7: Mandalorian season one better and.
Speaker 6: I think Disney would agree with you just from viewership numbers,
Speaker 6: They're gonna want more Manorians.
Speaker 1: Amando season one was there were people who were not
Speaker 1: Star Wars fans, like, yes, my life, I was working
Speaker 1: at the Ringer at that time. There were you know,
Speaker 1: some of the people that were working there were not
Speaker 1: Star Wars fans, were like, if you get a chance
Speaker 1: to meet Baby Yoda, you have to bring me. Apple
Speaker 1: had such a strong emotional attachment to that baby. I mean,
Speaker 1: I still and that was magic.
Speaker 2: I still wish and this is like the old Rosie
Speaker 2: with her little broadcast TV antenna. But I still think
Speaker 2: about if they had released that show weekly on ABC
Speaker 2: seven and normal people who didn't have streaming, who didn't
Speaker 2: play who don't watch Disney plass who don't follow this stuff?
Speaker 2: That would have been like even more of a water
Speaker 2: cooler TV moment, Like as soon as it hit the
Speaker 2: way it did, they should have just started doing it
Speaker 2: at the same time, because, like you said, like my
Speaker 2: I had family members people reaching out to me like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what's the Mandalorian?
Speaker 3: Like it hit in a different way like I and
Speaker 3: Baby Yoda, I mean, what a legend.
Speaker 5: And did pretty much no one knew about the leaks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they kept Baby Yoda secret at the cost of
Speaker 2: millions of visuals because that would have absolutely they they
Speaker 2: almost missed the boat on the Baby.
Speaker 8: Yoga Christmas gifts that year. They made up money, but
Speaker 8: the money.
Speaker 4: We did it.
Speaker 3: Guys. This is the first of the X ray Vision
Speaker 3: Jedi Council, and honestly, I feel like it won't be
Speaker 3: the last. That was so fantastic.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming from across the galaxy to be
Speaker 2: here to discuss this divisive yet charming series with us.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been wonderful to talk with you all. Now
Speaker 1: is the time for plugs, Rosie.
Speaker 5: What do you have to play?
Speaker 3: Do have something to plug? My book Monster Island Summer Camp,
Speaker 3: a Go godzillographic novel.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, do that, thank you.
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