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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for The Acolyte, the entire season,

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Speaker 1: Revenge of the Sith, other Star Wars titles. Just listen

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Speaker 1: watch the Applyte Funt finale before you listen to this. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jaysconcepcion and I'm creeping around the corner

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Speaker 3: Save us softly as the sun sets.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to ext Revision of the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 1: bringing you two episodes a week, every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Who In today's episode in the Airlock, we're gonna speed

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Speaker 2: recap the finale of the Acolyte.

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Speaker 3: Then we're gonna bring.

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Speaker 2: In the harm We're bringing in the Jedi Council. We're

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Speaker 2: bringing in the X Ray Vision crew.

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Speaker 3: Everyone needs that.

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Speaker 1: You can't make it because it's eight hundred and sixty,

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Speaker 1: but the everyone, the rest of the.

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Speaker 2: Ebo, Aaron, Everyone's coming in to talk about this show.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to be ranking our favorite live action

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Speaker 2: Star Wars series. You were doing it in the discord,

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Speaker 2: So we're going to do it here and in all

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Speaker 2: what if section, we're gonna say, what's the best version

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Speaker 2: of the Acolyte in your mind?

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Speaker 3: How would you have made.

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Speaker 2: This the perfect show that lived up to the highs

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Speaker 2: that we got in certain episodes.

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Speaker 3: But first, we're gonna speed recap it.

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Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the air lock now to speed

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Speaker 1: recap the finale of The Acolyte.

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Speaker 3: Thankfully.

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Speaker 2: We begin as May fights our way out of ever

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Speaker 2: creepier Soul's grasp, and the pair kind of battle their

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Speaker 2: way back to Brendock.

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Speaker 3: They fly through an epic asteroid belt.

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Speaker 2: I was feeling a lot of money in this moment,

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Speaker 2: a lot of money in this episode. I was happy

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Speaker 2: to see that helped May even though she'd mind wiped him.

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Speaker 2: Is it the same, Pip? I'm not sure, but you

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Speaker 2: know what, she helped him. He helped her when he

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Speaker 3: And Saul, I'm pretty sure he was gonna shoot May out.

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Speaker 2: Of the sky because he has truly lost it, but

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Speaker 2: luckily Basil sabotaged his ship.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a huge Basil fan.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he's a bit of a you know,

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Speaker 2: a bit of a snitch, but in this case.

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Speaker 3: He was right.

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Speaker 1: Here's my issue with Basil. He needs to fucking stand

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Speaker 1: on it. I'm saying, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing, Basil,

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Speaker 4: Exactly, stand there.

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Speaker 1: And take the consequences.

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Speaker 3: If you're I'm saying, like, if he was just there, stop.

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Speaker 1: Stop doing shit and then scurrying.

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Speaker 3: Literally, he's always right because he.

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Speaker 2: Was there when Soul, an adult man, stunned May and

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Speaker 2: which is good, but then also I see him later

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Speaker 2: back on his snitch behavior. So anyway, Soul lands on

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure to be honest with you, but it

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Speaker 2: Indeed there was, because as Osha and Kaimer discover that

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Speaker 2: So they decide they're gonna leave, and because they both

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Speaker 2: Even though I want to save my sister and you

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Speaker 3: And as they leave the island, we see.

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Speaker 3: Just coming out the creepy cave. Who could that be?

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Speaker 3: It's it's yeah, they have Earth.

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Speaker 2: They have yet to confirm it, but it is quite

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Speaker 3: Was the teacher and master of Palpatine.

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Speaker 1: And also it seems like is a significant peeping tom

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good Maybe he's recovering. Yeah, he's recovering.

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Speaker 2: Often, more often, there should have been more This is

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Speaker 2: He's like, you guys are always acting like you've got

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Speaker 2: And he's like, we need to audit the you lot

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Speaker 2: I feel like, really he's saying everything that a lot

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we've been talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's doing great jobs.

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Speaker 2: Then you know, everybody makes it to Brendoc and there

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Speaker 2: are some extremely great fight sequences. We get some Jedi slow.

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Speaker 2: We get some really cool lightsaber action with Sol and Klimer.

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Speaker 2: Then we get some really cool hand to hand force

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Speaker 2: what we saw with Ezra in a Soca in this

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Speaker 2: Osha has been too brainwashed by Saul. May just wants

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Speaker 2: That's the reason she had to quit the Jedi. Apparently

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Speaker 3: Then the Jedi come.

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Speaker 2: In and so Osha and May and Kaimera are like,

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Speaker 1: They can't wait for this case thing over. They tried

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Speaker 2: so that the Jedi won't remember. You know what, I

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Speaker 3: We know that they just run away the dark side.

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Speaker 2: You guys could have just gone and lived in your happy,

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Speaker 3: She's like, bro, this guy was crazy. He did some

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Speaker 3: And then she goes to see Yoda, who, by the way,

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Speaker 2: My reading of that is there is some kind of

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Speaker 3: But honestly, spoiler a lot, guys, it's it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, at this point, I think it's just Vnestra and

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Speaker 4: We fucked up again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, She's like I basically the ability.

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, I fucked up again. I had

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Speaker 2: With the Oh and by the way, now May the

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Speaker 3: Dun't dunt dua kimer.

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Speaker 5: We all called it.

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Speaker 3: He had that whip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that big whip shape on his back.

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Speaker 2: We know that Vnestra has the whip saber. There's clearly

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Speaker 3: So maybe there's something interesting there. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to find out in season two. But before

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Speaker 2: to bring in the Jedi Council.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the Council Chamber, super Producer's era in

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Speaker 1: Aboo and Joel Folks, let's go around the table. Joel

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Speaker 1: The Acolyte.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So, first of all, for fans who don't know,

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Speaker 6: I'm like Star Wars fanatic. I am obsessed with this universe.

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Speaker 6: I refuse to leave if they could give me six

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Speaker 6: cover your ears. You didn't hear any of that, but

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Speaker 6: it's my truth. And I'm so frustrated with this series

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Speaker 4: Did I get more witches? I sure did? Were they

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Speaker 6: Enemy's to lovers romance, great one that works. Sorry, I'm

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Speaker 6: not a ray Loo Stan. Though I respect everyone's fandom choices.

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Speaker 6: This one is working for me and I really enjoy it.

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Speaker 6: Like I thought, the fight Sequich was really exciting.

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Speaker 4: I love the idea.

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Speaker 6: They're so good, and I love the idea of even

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Speaker 4: And here's where I start.

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Speaker 6: To have my frustrations. When it started, I thought we

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Speaker 4: I love Soul as a character.

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Speaker 6: When he's first introduced, like Oh my gosh, here's a

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Speaker 6: But I didn't get to see enough of him being

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Speaker 6: like I just I need who Whistle as a teach,

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Speaker 6: We don't know anything about May and that will kill me.

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Speaker 6: Until I don't, I can't understand the show's reasoning. To me,

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Speaker 4: And what does that mean to you?

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Speaker 6: And what do you miss about the and what do

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Speaker 3: The dark side lets people hide?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we all know that they could have used their

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Speaker 6: We could have had MESSI love triangle, Like, there are

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Speaker 5: What is?

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Speaker 6: I just there's so many questions, And I really feel

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Speaker 4: Was so much to enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Jason, you talked you've done some when we've been talking

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Speaker 1: It just feels to me like the main problem for me,

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Speaker 1: Why am I meeting a new character in the final episode?

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Speaker 1: Who is like you had such a straight buy the

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Speaker 5: Is is weird to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that should be later. We shouldn't be meeting

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Speaker 1: out at such a strange pace that you keep being like,

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Speaker 1: well is that it?

443
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Speaker 4: Okay?

444
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 2: Well?

445
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 6: Now is that it?

446
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: And there's never that moment where you're like, oh my gosh,

447
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: and I think what's so disappointed about it? For me personally,

448
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: is like so many things worked so like the highs

449
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: are so high, the promise is there. You could see

450
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: how good it almost was, and it's like, what is it?

451
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I used the line that Rosie then asked me, which

452
00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: is it? It felt like, you know, ultimately, I I

453
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: think that Book of Boba Fet, which is a show

454
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 1: that I'm eventually going to rank when we do our rankings,

455
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: like towards the bottom of the live action list. The

456
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: peaks of Acolyte were higher than the peaks of Book

457
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: of Boafet. But Book of Boba Fet I quickly was like, Okay,

458
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: this is what this is. This is like a summer

459
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: fling and I'm going to enjoy this, whereas the Acolyte

460
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to fall in love with the Akolite with

461
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: what I was seeing, with the promise of it, and

462
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: I just never got there, So ultimately I'm disappointed, but

463
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: I like Joelle And again, Disney, I hope you're not listening.

464
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: I'll be back.

465
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 4: I'll be back.

466
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Speaker 2: Aaron, you had some really good thoughts on like kind

467
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: of what Jason was saying about how Vun could have

468
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: played like a bigger part, So like, what were your

469
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: thoughts on the finale and the season as a whole.

470
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I thought it would have been as much

471
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 7: as I loved Jord, and Jord was a very interesting character,

472
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 7: and obviously we have a contractual require to feature that

473
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 7: haircut in any Star.

474
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 5: Wars propty that comes up.

475
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 7: I think Vern could have played that role, been on

476
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 7: the ship, been the rule follower, the one who's really

477
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 7: focused on making sure everything's done by the book quote unquote,

478
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 7: And we didn't necessarily need Ord. Jord and Jeckie, two

479
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 7: great characters, are removed at the end of episode four,

480
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 7: and then it's just like we spent all this time

481
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 7: and build up with them. We had the potential romance

482
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 7: with Jeckie and like and that.

483
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 5: Didn't matter anymore.

484
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Speaker 7: Also, kind of echoing Joel, Joel, anytime there are black

485
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 7: women in Star Wars, that's huged for you anytime. For

486
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 7: me as someone who's Chinese anytime they're Asians love it.

487
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 7: So I am a huge fan of a lot of

488
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 7: moments of this and Joelle really thoughtful reactions. A boob

489
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 7: will have some great ones as well. I'm going to

490
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 7: do a very different reaction that may be a little

491
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 7: more tailored to Jason. This show, the first half reminded

492
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 7: me a lot of like La Clippers. You have these

493
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 7: huge moments this season. It's such high highs and I

494
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 7: was so excited for what could happen, and then it

495
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 7: just fell apart.

496
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Speaker 5: I still love the end. I still love this episode.

497
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 7: And like I am someone who my consumption of Star

498
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 7: Wars content is pretty much the main big and pole

499
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 7: properties unless it's something that involves Throng, in which case

500
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 7: I will.

501
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 8: Have all of it.

502
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Speaker 5: But there was a lot of this where I was

503
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 5: just like, oh, this is.

504
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 7: Really cool, Like I know there's something about uh, you know,

505
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 7: it's the Star Wars, like the lights they were bleeding

506
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 7: and it's cool to finally see it. And like there's

507
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 7: a lot of moments like that that I just was

508
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 7: all on board for. Yeah, so I was I probably

509
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 7: liked it more than most people. And I thought this

510
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 7: episode was a lot of fun. Obviously, there are so

511
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 7: many things that could have been done better. And like

512
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 7: every time we saw Kime here he was the everyone

513
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 7: fell in love with him. In episode four when the

514
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 7: turn happens and then he got benched, he was like,

515
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 7: he didn't come back in that way, and it was

516
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 7: I waited for four more weeks just to get today's episode,

517
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 7: and then I was like, oh my god, I love him,

518
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 7: give me him fighting everyone.

519
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 5: I just want a TV show of him. So that's

520
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 5: that's those are my main points.

521
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Speaker 2: I think.

522
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 3: Aboo, what was your vibe? What's your read on the Acolyte?

523
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 9: I mean I echo a lot of what this council

524
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 9: has already said. I think we generally generally feel the

525
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 9: same way. But I'll try I'll try to add some

526
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 9: add some thoughts that haven't been brought up yet. First

527
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 9: of all, I totally agree we get some high highs.

528
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 9: This show is toying with and playing with some ideas

529
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 9: that feels so fresh and so unique in the Star

530
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 9: Wars universe. Who has power, who's allowed to wield it?

531
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Speaker 9: Amazing thought. I wish we'd gone deeper on that. Yeah,

532
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 9: I honestly in this finale episode had goosebumps watching the

533
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 9: lightsaber color change as we saw the bleeding of the crystal,

534
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 9: which I think is the first time we're seeing that

535
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 9: in live action.

536
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 8: It happened in the video game with Calkestis.

537
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, but this is the first time we've seen it, first.

538
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 8: Time in live action.

539
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 9: Incredible stuff and again manages into my goodness, like time

540
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 9: here his reveal managed us into was easily a highlight

541
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 9: of the show, and to Aaron's point, gets benched for

542
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 9: multiple episodes and is really only around to Flex's biceps

543
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 9: and we both us and Osha and maybe.

544
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 5: Which is more than enough.

545
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: In every property, it reminds me of just briefly, it

546
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: reminds me of I don't know how many people are

547
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: watching Love Island, but he reminds me of Rock.

548
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 8: I've seen every season of Love Island. Yeah, yeah, about that.

549
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 9: The thing that didn't work for me is that most

550
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 9: of this season hinged on the events of Brendoc, which

551
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 9: we saw in episode seven. But I was not sold

552
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 9: on the events of brent Dock. It was like a

553
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 9: series of unfortunate events that happened and nobody was necessary

554
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 9: Early at fault, like I didn't think Saul was that

555
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 9: bad a guy if some woman turned into a ghost

556
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 9: next to me, and maybe I'm also going to defend myself,

557
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 9: like what's happening, You're turning into a ghost. Torbin also

558
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 9: is just like a homesick kid who like overstepped and

559
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 9: also got his mind messed with, Like nobody really did

560
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 9: anything that bad, So like, are we really toying with

561
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 9: any like deep ideas about Jedi good, Jedi bad Jedi

562
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 9: dogma stage.

563
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 6: And that could have worked even like it could have

564
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 6: been really amazing to see so many people in misunderstanding conflict, right,

565
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 6: Like that's really intriguing. And I mean, if we're just

566
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 6: talking real well, like that's a thing that the police were,

567
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 6: like we didn't know we had bad information, someone sent

568
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 6: us the wrong address, killed somebody. It's awful and that

569
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 6: can be like dramatically compelling. But again, without spending enough

570
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 6: time with these characters and understanding confidently who was experience

571
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 6: what and then also experiencing what point of view we're

572
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 6: seeing these events from, if it just became really muddled

573
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 6: by the end.

574
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: I think that Jason struck on specifically without changing too

575
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: much about what happened.

576
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: I think about so many great crime movies.

577
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: I've seen so many thrillers, so many slasher movies even

578
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: right they often begin with a simple human error or

579
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: something that goes too far a situation you lose control of.

580
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 2: You see it at the beginning, you understand what happened,

581
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: and then you see the impact of covering that up throughout.

582
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: I think that if in Jason's vision of it being

583
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: the first episode and kind of that almost that Colombo

584
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: cold open where you get to see what happened, I

585
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: think that would have been really impactful because you kind

586
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: of get that human error aspect, which I found very

587
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: tragic the way they portrayed it, and then you don't

588
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: sell it on the mystery. I think that's the problem

589
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: because by the time you got to episode seven in

590
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: our discord, in the June Pod Discord Escape Discord, everyone's like,

591
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: it has to be episode seven.

592
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: What happens on episode seven? What like, what's gonna happen?

593
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: And then you get to the point where it's not

594
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: necessarily the clear cut, black and white bad or good thing,

595
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: but also it's not as complex and deep as we

596
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: may have been hoping for. So I think that that

597
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: the pacing and the positioning again is probably why that

598
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily hit in the same way.

599
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 9: Like Rosie, your point there just made me realize the

600
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 9: more interesting story here to tell I think, Joel, you're

601
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 9: getting at this too, is the cover up, not actually

602
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 9: the events that happened. But this season is acting like

603
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 9: the events are the main story. Like the more interesting

604
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 9: is like for Nestra politicking and hiding things, Soul and

605
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 9: Torbin and all of them living with the guilt and

606
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 9: covering it up, and like that's the more interesting story.

607
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 8: But that took a back seat to Brenda.

608
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: It felt as if and again I don't know, the

609
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: creative team behind this is incredible, that extremely talent, and

610
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm coming off telling

611
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: them how to do their job. And it feels like

612
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: to me, having you know, been around productions and you know,

613
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: talk knowing a lot of writers and producers, it feels

614
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: to me like something happened from above, either a budget

615
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: thing or making the question about power and the corrupting

616
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: nature of power. Attacking that question centrally through the lens

617
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: of the Jedi felt like a little bit too much.

618
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: I could see the note being are we throwing the

619
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Jedis under the bus too much? And so it felt

620
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: as if, to Joelle's point, like they were trying to

621
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: serve too many things at once and make, you know,

622
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: a good guys versus bad guys story, but also like

623
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: a great Jedi story, but also like a corruption story,

624
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: but also like a justice and guilt story. And I

625
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: think ultimately this show needed to pick like two lane, yeah,

626
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: a lane, rather than try and serve like three lanes.

627
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: And that goes for too many characters, too many plots,

628
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: too many themes, and because I like all the things

629
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: that are there, Yeah, but I'm disappointed that we didn't

630
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: have time to go deeper into those things, right, whether

631
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: it's character, plot, whatever.

632
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like they didn't, like you've a lot

633
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 7: of you have mentioned putting the flashback as the first episode,

634
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 7: and I wonder if there was some direction of we

635
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 7: can't set up the Jedi as the bad guy right

636
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 7: off the bat, like we would not surprise me. Yeah, yeah,

637
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 7: And so I think that's probably why we get four

638
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 7: episodes of we like the Jedi, there is some someone

639
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 7: killing Jedi, and we get these characters we like, like

640
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 7: Jord and Jeckie and then it has to be oh,

641
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 7: never mind, actually we get rid of the ones you love.

642
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it'sally supposed to be a Sith based story

643
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 6: and disease, Like, we're not doing a Sith main character

644
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 6: story to jump off.

645
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: I think Leslie like snuck that in there really well

646
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: because Osha is the main character and Osha becomes a Sith.

647
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: But it also, like Leslie definitely in those you know,

648
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: D twenty three, those kind of big moments, was definitely

649
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: talking about it being a seduction story, a Sith story.

650
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: I also something me and Joel thought about like throughout

651
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: this season is like, I feel like the pacing issues

652
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: could definitely have come from this being a way less

653
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: linear and like stranger narrative, kind of like Russian doll

654
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: or a little bit more akin to other stuff Leslie

655
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: had done. And then when you kind of chop that

656
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: up and try and make it more of a straightforward narrative,

657
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if it loses some of the juice. And again,

658
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 2: like that's not me pretending I know anything about how

659
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes went, but it does feel like

660
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: it's possible.

661
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, I think that, you know, on a certain level,

662
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: I think that I empathize with the struggle that the

663
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: people who make hype have. You know, on the one hand,

664
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: like stories have to evolve, that's the nature of stories.

665
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: At the same time, like you know, it's complicated because

666
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: the audience wants the same thing, but they want it

667
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: in a different way. And asking yourself, well, are we

668
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: selling out our audience who has grown up with a

669
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: certain picture of the Jedi in their minds, who love

670
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: the Jedi? Are we selling them out too much to

671
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: evolve the story in a way that is reasonable and

672
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: actually natural. And I and I completely empathize with that.

673
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: I just think that this is it feels as if

674
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: those tensions are reflected too much.

675
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: In Yes, I will also say as well, even with

676
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: the version that we got, a lot of people felt

677
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: like they went too hard on the Jedi. There was

678
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people who still felt like it was

679
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: a it was an actively I'm going.

680
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: To defend them.

681
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: I'm going to defend the Jedi.

682
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: I want to defend them such in a small way,

683
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: it's a big galaxy. There's a lot of jethentic sol

684
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: and I think we need to get away from both

685
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: in the macro sense. With Star Wars, when a badge.

686
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: When a show happens, it disappoints I don't want to

687
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: call it bad, but it disappoints us. We should we should, uh,

688
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, steer away from these knee jerk reactions where

689
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: like Star Star Wars is bad now because this one

690
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: show happened. And I also think that because of the

691
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: Jedi is such a huge organization, we should also steer

692
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: away from being like, well, the Jedi are bad because

693
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: Soul is a fucking nut job to get hold of them.

694
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 6: But I think you're like, the crux of the issue

695
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 6: is Star Wars right now is like trying to please fans.

696
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: I think is the problem.

697
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: Right.

698
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 6: I'm not saying in essentily you have a responsibility to

699
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 6: your fans. We're the ones coming back. We spend money,

700
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 6: We've invested years of our lives into this content. I

701
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 6: understand that there's a level of respect that's necessary. But

702
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 6: in the same way, like, man, I I'm sorry that

703
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 6: Star Wars has to deal with and or that's all.

704
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: It's like, it's very.

705
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 4: Fun, but it's there and we can't help. We're humans.

706
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 6: We have to compare and contrast, and I think that

707
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 6: it's it's frustrating to me that if you can have

708
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 6: something as pushing the boundaries as and or as as

709
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 6: outside of the stereotypical Star Wars boxes and or that

710
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 6: there should still be fear within the company of being like, well,

711
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 6: we're not sure if we can do that, or we

712
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 6: have so much. They didn't like it when you were

713
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 6: safe and you gave them everything. They don't like it

714
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 6: when it's completely different. They didn't always going to be nasayers.

715
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 6: I wish they would just focus on telling a good story.

716
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 6: Just tell me a good story period.

717
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: Before we get the council to rank their favorite live

718
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: action Star Wars stories. I just want to say, as

719
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: the general contrarian, I am more aligned with Aaron and

720
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: I actually thought this episode was quite good.

721
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: And I just want to say that I am grateful

722
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: to Leslie for the enemies to love a storyline. I

723
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: screamed the thumbtauch and really, I like, it's like.

724
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: Just doing stuff, so I'm a sucker. Really like, if

725
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: they just want to do like kimeron May that Kimer

726
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: and Osha they're just trying to be dark side, I'll

727
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I'm in here for it.

728
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 7: Also, while we're talking about moments, that like we screamed

729
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 7: in I had so much fun in the lightsaber fight

730
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 7: with Soul and Kaimer when he detaches and has the

731
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 7: Perry dagger and he throws them and then Soul puts

732
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 7: his saber away and force.

733
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 5: Pushes them all. Amazing, amazing.

734
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: Job.

735
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 8: Yes the joke.

736
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I made the catching Tiger hitting Dragon Sorrows crossovers

737
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 6: one hundred.

738
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Can I ask one question before we before we go

739
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: to our rankings? Do you think that this story is

740
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: improved with some sort of flashback or exposition about Saul's motivations,

741
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: Like why does Saul yes gravitate to May and Osha

742
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: so strongly?

743
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 4: What is it like?

744
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: I feel like if there would have been something about him, we.

745
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 4: Just need to know what Saul was like as a padawan.

746
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 6: We get a tease of it in episode one where

747
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: they're like She's like, oh, this is what you were

748
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 6: like as a padawan, and right, yeah, but never who

749
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 6: were you as a padawan? Who trained you? And why

750
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 6: do you feel this deep need to like pass on

751
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 6: your knowledge or to work with someone in this mass?

752
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: Like what does it mean? I have no idea what

753
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: it means.

754
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 6: The Soul and it made his death, Like I don't

755
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 6: want to say meaningless, but I was just like, I

756
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 6: don't I'm understanding.

757
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: It felt like I didn't. It felt like I never understood.

758
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: I think that.

759
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, A simple like five minute scene that just like

760
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 2: is Soul and Venestra in the era of the Brendoc

761
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: indcident drinking like tea or something in a canteena talking

762
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: about Saul's issues with like being obsessed. Why is he

763
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: obsessed with passing on his knowledge? Why does he want

764
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: a padawan so much? We could have learned a lot

765
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: about both of them. I think there's some kind of

766
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: flashback between the two that could have built them out

767
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: a little bit more and built out that relationship a

768
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: little bit more that I think would have made a

769
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: big difference. Also, something I want to pose to you guys,

770
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: and you can just do like a yes or no.

771
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: But something in the discord that I thought was interesting

772
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: was people were definitely like wondering, especially people who hadn't

773
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: been big fans of the show and then had kind

774
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: of come to it by the time the finale ended.

775
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: Will it be better if you just watch it in

776
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: one go?

777
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: Like is part of what it was unsatisfying about the show,

778
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: the way that they cut up the story because the

779
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: episodes are thirty five minutes or forty eight minutes. So

780
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: I'm interested, like, will you go back and binge watch

781
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: it and see how it looks.

782
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 6: I think I would have a higher Rotten Tomatoes score

783
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 6: if during a binge as opposed to a weekly watch.

784
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 6: But I don't think it would have resolved the many.

785
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 4: Issues I have with the show.

786
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, exactly, Yeah, yeah, I just want to complain

787
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: about one thing. I'm sorry to be negative, but like

788
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: the mind wiping thing.

789
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: It's so.

790
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: Unnecessary, the lie. The Cimers line, Well, if I could

791
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: find you, the Jedi can find Yeah, but you followed,

792
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: you literally followed a person.

793
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: Not just that, but you have a selection as a

794
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: master and apprentice with both of these Wales.

795
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: So like and and second Darrel and the Jed, I

796
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: still find as we said, the Jedi don't want to look.

797
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: They're done. They're done with this case.

798
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: It's over, has covered up multiple crimes and murders, is burning,

799
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: is actively burning by in the.

800
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: World existed, Like you can just sho, you could just go.

801
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: They're not looking anymore.

802
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: She's lied to the Senate. It's done.

803
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: They're not looking for you.

804
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Joel, what's you to a live action ranking?

805
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 6: Okay, very bottom. I'm sorry, but it's get it out

806
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 6: of here. I don't I didn't need it. I did't

807
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 6: get anything from it.

808
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: Uh.

809
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 6: Then I'm sorry because we got the Anakin we always deserved,

810
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 6: but Obi wan Kenobi again, a lot of things I

811
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 6: didn't need. Even though we got a cool blacksmith lady.

812
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 6: She had to deal with a lot of trauma for

813
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 6: a show that I'm never going to rewatch. So uh,

814
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 6: then season three of The Mandalorian, I'm separating them because

815
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 6: the Mandalorian.

816
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 8: I don't.

817
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: Done that together.

818
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: So then then I would.

819
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: Put a Soca.

820
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 6: Then I would put a Soca for episode five alone,

821
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 6: which was it was psiconic.

822
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: I love Soka. Then I would do this show then

823
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: then Acolyte, then the rest of of Uh. The Mandalorian

824
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 4: thinks all of that.

825
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: And Or would be a number one again and Or

826
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: it does not.

827
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: We don't even talk about it. Number one. It is

828
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 4: it is the best. It is the best one. So

829
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: that's my ranking.

830
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree mine is. And Or then you're

831
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: going I'm doing top down, I'm doing reverse and Or.

832
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 3: Is number one.

833
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: Mandalorian on average is number two. I would say Acolyte

834
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: for me is number three because I do think that

835
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: the highs of it are high enough to it's reasonable

836
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: to go over to average out over my next one,

837
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: which would be ah Sosoka.

838
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: Hilariously, I will say after the top two, I.

839
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: Do think this is very equal. Like I don't think

840
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of difference apart from Mandalorian. I think

841
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: once you average them out, because like I actually you know, Ahsoka,

842
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: I loved seeing Ezra, I love seeing Sabine Tho's had

843
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: some really big highs. Then Obi w again lots of moments.

844
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: I really loved Boba FETs going at the bottom, but

845
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: not because of not because subjectively I enjoyed it the least.

846
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: It's because objectively I don't think it's as good as

847
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: some of the other ones. But as somebody who grew

848
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: up and like serialized storytelling, I still think Boba Fet

849
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: is actually like a fun weekend Saturday morning show, but

850
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: it's not like this Prestige TV event. So that would

851
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 2: be mine, Jason watsh.

852
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: Your's I Am Gonna Go, and or number one of course,

853
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Mando number two, and then you drop off a click

854
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: exactly the Star Wars live Action. It's the conversation is

855
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: really about what an immense drop off from the first

856
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: two there are so okay, and or Book of Boba.

857
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, Uhorian, Then oh gosh, I'm gonna go Ahsoka,

858
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: the Acolyte Obi Wan Kenobi Book of Ba.

859
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: If we were including animated series, this would be a

860
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: very different listing.

861
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 5: I can't say that, but but we're.

862
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: Doing live action because we have a limited time and

863
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: we're all yappers aboo.

864
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 9: All right, I'll be quick. I'll start from the bottom.

865
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 9: Boba weird to have a TV show I had to watch.

866
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 8: To understand another TV show. It's like a halfway Mandalorian Seas.

867
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 9: Then, honestly, for me, Ahsoka next, this might get me

868
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 9: kicked off the Council that I've never watched Rebels, so

869
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 9: none of that made sense to me. I watched the

870
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 9: Ahsoka so confused. So then it's Acolyte squarely in the

871
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 9: middle for me.

872
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 8: Highs were high, lows are low.

873
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 9: I'm gonna put Obi Wan up there just because I

874
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 9: loved having Anakin back.

875
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 5: That was a great for that.

876
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 9: And then Mando seasons one through three love those and

877
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 9: then yeah, then there's like a country mile climb before

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Speaker 9: you get to end, or like I watched the stellin

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Speaker 9: Scars Guard speech sometimes just to feel something again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, will they ever like stop wishing they didn't

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Speaker 2: let Tony Gilory make that show.

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Speaker 3: I feel like every day that in those exact offices,

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Speaker 3: like what do we do then? But it's like making

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Speaker 3: like mad Men and.

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Speaker 2: Just being like here you go, now make like five

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Speaker 2: other seasons that as opposed to be like this.

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Speaker 3: Aaron. The final member of the Jedi Council.

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Speaker 5: Obi Wan and Boba Fet tied at the bottom. Okay,

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Speaker 5: that's a tear for me.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 7: I have ah Soka slightly higher than Accolyte because as

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Speaker 7: opposed to a boo like I have a strong emotional

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Speaker 7: connection to the Ahsoka story.

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Speaker 5: Love her.

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Speaker 7: I love seeing all those frankly super hot characters like

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Speaker 7: in live action incredible everyone in that show. I wanted

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Speaker 7: more stories, Aaron said.

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Speaker 2: I now I can be attracted to someone who's not

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Speaker 2: a cartoon character in real.

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Speaker 7: Life and new characters like I love, I loved. I

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Speaker 7: think that those Sith are some of my I mean,

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Speaker 7: we had we've really had great news time here is amazing.

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Speaker 7: I am going to break from consensus. I will do

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Speaker 7: and or a second.

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Speaker 8: I love it.

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Speaker 7: But again with emotional pick, Mandalorian season one meant so

907
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Speaker 7: much coming out with crazy Pandemic, like everyone in the

908
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Speaker 7: world is watching this show. Baby Yoda is like the

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Speaker 7: biggest thing in the world. Like that has left more

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Speaker 7: obviously and our great, great, great show objectively a better show. Emotionally,

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Speaker 7: Mandalorian season one better and.

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Speaker 6: I think Disney would agree with you just from viewership numbers,

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Speaker 6: They're gonna want more Manorians.

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Speaker 1: Amando season one was there were people who were not

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Speaker 1: Star Wars fans, like, yes, my life, I was working

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Speaker 1: at the Ringer at that time. There were you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the people that were working there were not

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Speaker 1: Star Wars fans, were like, if you get a chance

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Speaker 1: to meet Baby Yoda, you have to bring me. Apple

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Speaker 1: had such a strong emotional attachment to that baby. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I still and that was magic.

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Speaker 2: I still wish and this is like the old Rosie

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Speaker 2: with her little broadcast TV antenna. But I still think

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Speaker 2: about if they had released that show weekly on ABC

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Speaker 2: seven and normal people who didn't have streaming, who didn't

926
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Speaker 2: play who don't watch Disney plass who don't follow this stuff?

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Speaker 2: That would have been like even more of a water

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Speaker 2: cooler TV moment, Like as soon as it hit the

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Speaker 2: way it did, they should have just started doing it

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Speaker 2: at the same time, because, like you said, like my

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Speaker 2: I had family members people reaching out to me like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, what's the Mandalorian?

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Speaker 3: Like it hit in a different way like I and

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Speaker 3: Baby Yoda, I mean, what a legend.

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Speaker 5: And did pretty much no one knew about the leaks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they kept Baby Yoda secret at the cost of

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Speaker 2: millions of visuals because that would have absolutely they they

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Speaker 2: almost missed the boat on the Baby.

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Speaker 8: Yoga Christmas gifts that year. They made up money, but

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Speaker 8: the money.

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Speaker 4: We did it.

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Speaker 3: Guys. This is the first of the X ray Vision

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Speaker 3: Jedi Council, and honestly, I feel like it won't be

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Speaker 3: the last. That was so fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming from across the galaxy to be

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Speaker 2: here to discuss this divisive yet charming series with us.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's been wonderful to talk with you all. Now

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Speaker 1: is the time for plugs, Rosie.

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Speaker 5: What do you have to play?

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Speaker 3: Do have something to plug? My book Monster Island Summer Camp,

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Speaker 3: a Go godzillographic novel.

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Speaker 2: If you pre order that book with Secret Headquarters in

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Speaker 2: La we will put the link in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: You will get a beautiful limited edition, exclusive signed book

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Speaker 2: plate designed by me with art by Oliver Ono, signed

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Speaker 2: by both of us, and it's really cute, and you'll

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Speaker 2: be supporting a shop that me and Jason both love,

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Speaker 2: that is both of our local comic shops.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, do that, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Coming next week we have bum bum Ba. Deadpool is here.

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Speaker 4: In the fast full days of dead and Verte.

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Speaker 1: We were of course still bringing you our House of

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Speaker 1: the Dragon coverage, but we're adding to that with five

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Speaker 1: Days of Deadpool Wow. Five episodes exploring the comics and

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Speaker 1: movies of Deadpool and Wolverine, with some spattering of X

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Speaker 1: Men of course thrown in their interviews lists, of course,

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Speaker 1: plenty of deep dives. Stay tuned for that for this

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Speaker 1: episode by x Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion

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Speaker 1: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our

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Speaker 1: supervising producer is a Boo zafar Our producers are Carmen

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Speaker 1: Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord. Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi are Discord moderator