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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Network's Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahad Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, we have

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Speaker 1: a mail bag episode. As always, the fans came out

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Speaker 1: in full force. This was a you know, it's approaching

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline, a lot of trade questions. Fans are

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Speaker 1: desperate for a move. Obviously, the Cubs need pitching. We

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Speaker 1: spent all of last episode talking about various pitchers. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's let's kick this off from a question from the

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Speaker 1: Lizard King, who has been asking a lot of questions lately. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or our buddy, the Lizard King. He wants to know,

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Speaker 1: does this year truly feel different? Do you feel a

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Speaker 1: certain buzz around Wrigley, Craig, the fans, the players, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: What are both of your highlights of the season thus far. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it feels different absolutely to me. I think

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Speaker 1: when you win the way they've been winning, when.

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Speaker 2: The offense performs.

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Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this on previous episodes, like

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Speaker 1: there are feelings of that, there are ways to be

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Speaker 1: a good team, and then there are ways to be

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Speaker 1: an exciting good team. And when you're like a powerhouse offense,

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Speaker 1: when you're scoring a lot of runs and when you're

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Speaker 1: hitting home runs, when you have a superstar like PCA,

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Speaker 1: when you have like this, you know, very a dynamic

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Speaker 1: star like PCA and this like this other star in

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker, it just makes it very fun. It makes

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Speaker 1: it fun to cover, and it brings these vibes to

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Speaker 1: Wrigley that really, I feel like we've had in fleeting

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Speaker 1: moments over the past half decade, but really hasn't been

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Speaker 1: there probably since sixteen seventeen, maybe at parts of eighteen

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Speaker 1: absolutely different feel. My highlight, I think it would be

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Speaker 1: the game against the Diamondbacks where they came back early

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Speaker 3: Oh, that was a crazy one. That was like a Friday.

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Speaker 1: Afternoon, yeah, where they kind of blew it. They had

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Speaker 1: and scored a ton of runs and it ended up winning.

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Speaker 1: Like a twelve eleven game, thirteen twelve. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: the exact score. That type of stuff is just like

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Speaker 1: the energy in the building is just like it's the

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Speaker 1: I can't I can't go straight, Like I think that

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Speaker 1: But like you just you feel it, like you know,

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Speaker 1: that you feel from covering something like that. That one

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Speaker 1: either fun or funny or exciting that I'm sure other

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think from a media perspective, it is different

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Speaker 4: just having Peeko Armstrong as this huge, evolving national story

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Speaker 4: a wider audience. Kyle Tucker a far different personality, but

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Speaker 4: has that same has a similar weight of just you

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Speaker 4: put Kyle Tucker's name and.

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Speaker 3: A headline on our website, like people are.

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Speaker 4: Interested in him, and I think the buzz you notice

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Speaker 3: Some of it is obvious.

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Speaker 4: I mean the other day, it was a Wednesday afternoon,

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Speaker 4: not a comfortable place to be in place, just absolutely packed,

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Speaker 4: I think it'd be really interesting to see in terms

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Speaker 4: with the deadline, how September is. And yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: Interesting to again now that we're fans, now that we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the packed ballpark is something that I feel

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Speaker 1: It's a you know, it's an AL team and maybe

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Speaker 1: Still like the forty thousand plus, Like it's it's been

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Speaker 1: There's a different feel and it's nice to to experience

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Speaker 1: that because you know, it can get a little mundane

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Speaker 1: for us as well. I mean frustrating for the fans,

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Speaker 1: I guess we're writing about the big picture.

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Speaker 2: It's May fifteenth. You know. That's that's just not as fun.

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Speaker 4: And then we've intentionally tried to reshape our coverage a

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Speaker 4: little bit of focusing on personalities and moments and not

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Speaker 4: as much on process because there are players here who

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Speaker 4: are super interesting and newsworthy. I do think Craig Counsel.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say he's different. I think it's just

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Speaker 4: little bit of a different give and take. Not that

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Speaker 4: seen his influence on the team a little more this year.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the players, We've talked about this for

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Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker just like this kind of loose energy he brings,

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Speaker 4: and you know, you can there are those scenes in

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Speaker 4: the clubhouse that you can see again, winning is always

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Speaker 4: the biggest part. The individual talent is the biggest part.

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Speaker 4: But you know, thus far it's been a pretty good

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Here's a question from al Culter, what's the status of

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Speaker 1: Jamison Towne and Javier Asad A Sad pitched Thursday in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: there was a chance he may throw at Wrigley before

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Speaker 1: we don't have a number of starts for either of them.

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Speaker 1: I think THEASD probably is ready before Tyne, but it's

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Speaker 1: think they're being in potentially methodical with Tyn. This is

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Speaker 1: the in his time at the Cubs, had that ankle

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Speaker 2: That's that's how these things sometimes work.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Patrick, it is now time for our Draft Kings

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Speaker 1: Player spotlight. If I can play, find the right thing

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Speaker 1: to play Draft Gings Player Spotlight. All right, Patrick, today

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Speaker 1: we are spotlighting showda in Monaga in Monaga. Came back

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Speaker 1: from injury on June twenty sixth, Patrick, and he has

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Speaker 1: a one seventy eight ERA in five starts. He pitches

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Speaker 1: Asad and time coming back from injury. Just what a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the way you frame that made me think of

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Speaker 4: you know, major developments, and you know, Kyle Hendrix was

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Speaker 4: Of a borderline triple A major league pitcher, and like

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Speaker 4: Shoda has been almost every bit of that. He still

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Speaker 4: an unbelievably consistent guy, Like I mean, he's his His

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Speaker 1: All right, after poor performances from Brown and Wicks, what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a fair, fair way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: Their value isn't at its highest, but you risk these

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Speaker 1: at the peak that it was maybe a year ago

435
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: for some of these guys, or two years ago for Wicks,

436
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: a year ago for Brown. I also think, like, you

437
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: can't you can't assume that their value will improve.

438
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's nothing.

439
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't think those values are so bad, so so

440
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: impacted right now. They're probably not the primary piece if

441
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: you're getting a stud in return, if you're getting like

442
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: Joe Ryan, they're not the primary piece, but that they're like,

443
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: especially Brown, is a good second piece. If Brown's your

444
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: second piece, I think teams would be attracted to that.

445
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of feel like, let's say Brown Wicks

446
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 4: go elsewhere and.

447
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 3: They have nice seasons.

448
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: There's no guarantee that would have happened in Chicago in

449
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 4: this scenari. We've seen it too often, just how much

450
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 4: the change of scenery helps.

451
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: I mentioned Jake Arietta earlier in the show, like.

452
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 4: Not saying those guys are going to go in cy

453
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 4: Young Awards, but like there's just there's something to it.

454
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 4: And you know, also holding onto them means that they

455
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: could get injured too. And like, no one's asking for

456
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: my opinion, but I feel like these pitching prospects Cubs

457
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: have like I would be moving them left and right,

458
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 4: like you can always find more guys who throw hard.

459
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: They have a lot of confidence in their infrastructure, and

460
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: I think it the churn on the pitching side is a.

461
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: Really good thing.

462
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 4: I mean, our colleague Ken Rosenthal had a good column

463
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: on AJ Preller in San Diego that published, I believe Friday,

464
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: and just how they kind of cycle guys in and

465
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: out like they've they've found something that that's part of

466
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 4: like the kind of the sleight of hand that they

467
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 4: do in San Diego. I think that's a good example.

468
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: We've talked before about Cleveland, Tampa Bay, what they do

469
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 4: place like that could help a picture like those guys,

470
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: but otherwise I'm not I don't know.

471
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: They signed Matthew Boyd and showed him NAGA when.

472
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 4: No one was really like clamoring for those guys, and

473
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: they've both been All stars in Chicago, Like I think

474
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 4: they can get creative and figure something out there.

475
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Patrick, Let's take a quick break and then

476
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Speaker 1: come back and wrap it up with a few more questions.

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, we got a question from Billy Rockett.

499
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Why do we why do you have to wait till

500
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: the deadline to do anything? Look, I think counsel said this.

501
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: It is a Jed favorite line, But deadline spur action.

502
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: That's that's the reality of it. Something like Jed loves

503
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: to be aggressive and make moves like he wishes there

504
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: were deadlines for like the fruit for free agency, remember

505
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: the flurry before the lockout hit. These deadlines force people

506
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: to make moves. It forces decision making. The sellers especially

507
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: don't want to feel like they couldn't ring every value

508
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: out of whoever's maybe getting desperate more teams may Suddenly

509
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: you get closer to the deadline, they feel like teams

510
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: start getting more desperate. Who knows. Maybe that's how the

511
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Cubs acquired PCA. Like that was a big back and forth.

512
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: We've heard so many stories about that front office in

513
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: New York that there were people that were like, no way,

514
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: don't trade them, and there was debate back and forth,

515
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: and then they were like we're doing this type thing. Yeah,

516
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: it's like there's also like teams like Jed will always

517
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: tell you like the prices are insane early before the deadline,

518
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: well before the deadline, so prices go down as you

519
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: get closer. But also I think it's probably like like

520
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: some sort of graph where it's like they're they're like

521
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: way up here, and then it goes down and then

522
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: like spikes little bit right before the deadline, right like

523
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: like the hours before. And I think I think that's

524
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: why it just it takes a little time. Like teams

525
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: are everyone's they're pitting other teams against each other.

526
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 2: There's a lot going up.

527
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Billy, this is a really good question because I

528
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: feel like it comes up often and there's sometimes as

529
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: reporters we just assume stuff as sort of like common knowledge,

530
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: but like we just hear it from certain people every year.

531
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: But it's a dynamic that uh doesn't really change. Maybe

532
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: the nailor trade does spur something, you know, now that

533
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: the Diamondbacks are are open for business. There are sometimes

534
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: considerations too, of like a starting pitcher, if he has

535
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: a start looming, sometimes you want to get that done

536
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: beforehand so he doesn't get injured, or the acquiring team

537
00:30:53,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 4: wants him for that extra start or two. I think

538
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: I think, you know, Jed when he was breaking up

539
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: the team in twenty one, I think really wanted to

540
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: kind of spread things out and focus on one deal

541
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: at a time, and of course it all kind of

542
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: came together within the last twenty four hours or so.

543
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: But I think we'll.

544
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: Start to see some movement here, you know, as I

545
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: certainly hope, so it'd be nice to have something more

546
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: concrete to write about.

547
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh Naylor obviously got traded. The Diamondbacks. It look

548
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: like they're.

549
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Ready to make moves or have started making moves and

550
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: ready to move the rest of their impending free agents.

551
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: We'll see if they move all of them or what.

552
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: But that makes a lot of sense for them to

553
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: start start the process, and I'm sure other teams are

554
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: making those decisions right now. I wouldn't be surprised if

555
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: things get a little bit more active over the weekend

556
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: and then we have you know, I'm not sure big

557
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: names get moved or what, but there will be activity

558
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: over the next few days. Final question, why are fans

559
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: so obsessed with not trading Owen Casey.

560
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: That's for Bob Stewart. I don't know. I'm not seeing

561
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: all of this.

562
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing the hand ringing as far as don't

563
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: trade Casey, don't trade Casey, but I'm.

564
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: Sure it's out there.

565
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: Look, there's an argument that can be made that Kyle

566
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: Tucker is a free agent at the end of the year.

567
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: You don't want to move Casey because he's the logical replacement.

568
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: I also think I think for me, you don't move

569
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Casey for rental. Like I don't think the clubs would

570
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: even consider that. Think about this, that he was likely

571
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: the main piece of the Lozardo trade that was for

572
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: two years of a picture. He's probably more valuable now.

573
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: You're not going to give him up for two months

574
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: of a pitcher. So I think that's the that be

575
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: my focus. You don't give him up for a rental.

576
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you can prospect cling right now. And

577
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't also think you can assume that he just

578
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: slips right in and fills in for for Kyle Tucker

579
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: next year.

580
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not sure.

581
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 4: I kind of see conflicting signals there of you know,

582
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: I guess social media is not a good gauge in general,

583
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: but I think there's a thought of comes half to

584
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: go all in, and then there is this you know,

585
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: counterbalance of people love their prospects. That's just kind of

586
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: how the game works these days. I would just say that,

587
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: you know, Casey would does feel a little bit like

588
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: flavor of the month right now, just in terms of

589
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: like he's on a insane hot street. I remember, wasn't

590
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: it just this year moys Is Biasteros that was like

591
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: a big thing, and he came up and you know,

592
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: he looked like someone who probably needed a little more

593
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 4: time in the minors. Understandably, he's very young. I haven't

594
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: heard a lot of clamoring for him to come back

595
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: since then. I think he's still a very nice prospect.

596
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 4: You know, I think certain names our buddy Jesse Rodgers

597
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: calls you, we call the Internet names of just that

598
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: they just kind of, you know, like.

599
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: Matt Murviys a couple of years ago, was just this

600
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: like drum beat.

601
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: And then you know, oftentimes with prospects, they come up

602
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: and it's like okay, you know, like you just got

603
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 4: like like either they come out the gate really hot

604
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: and then the league adjusts, or it takes him a

605
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: really long time.

606
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: We're seeing it.

607
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: With Matt Shaw, right yeah, yeah, like has a couple

608
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 4: of nice games out of the All Star Break, and

609
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I don't even need as like

610
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 4: I met Shaw, you know, and whereas it wasn't that

611
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: long ago, whereas like.

612
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: This, this is the week spot team.

613
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: This cannot a serious World Series team cannot have him

614
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: as a third basement. So I'm with you. I I'm

615
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 4: very skeptical of the idea of the Cubs giving up

616
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 4: Owen Casey for any rental player, you know, pitcher or hitter.

617
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: But after that, I would be very open minded just

618
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: because maybe maybe this is the moment to strike, you know,

619
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 4: talked about like zy your hope earlier of maybe they

620
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 4: traded him a little too early theoretically because obviously Michael

621
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: Bush has been really good. But like, I don't know,

622
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: we're talking about the Ben Brown Jordan Wick's trade value,

623
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 4: right yeah, yeah, maybe this is Owen Casey's like Zenith

624
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: as a as a trade ship.

625
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: I don't know.

626
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: I mean, he people think, you know, for years now,

627
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: people have said he can legit flat out hit even

628
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: people outside the organization. You know, we've heard that of like, no,

629
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: he's so I'm not not doubting his talent. It's more

630
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: of just kind of how the business works.

631
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know prospects. We talk about this all

632
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: the time.

633
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: If I were to bet on what he'd be, I'd

634
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, solid major leaguer, But like, you give

635
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: that up to try and win a World Series for

636
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: a guy that's controllable beyond this year especially, Prospects aren't

637
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: about like what they're going to be. It's about their

638
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: current value right now. That's how you have to look

639
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: at it. You can't say like, I'm convinced that he will.

640
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: Be a bust.

641
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're convinced that he will be

642
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: a bust. What's his value right now? He has a

643
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: ton of value on the market, So don't give him

644
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: up for two months of someone. But also don't you know,

645
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: don't cling because this is part of this is part

646
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: of being in a front office is being able to

647
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: evaluate the talent that you have.

648
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: It's really important that you're that you're able to do that.

649
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: We can debate whether they've nailed it in previous trades

650
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: or not, or however you want to look at, whether

651
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Speaker 1: it's Cam Smith, z II er or Hope, any of

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Speaker 1: those guys. I think they kind of knew sometimes what

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Speaker 1: they had. Maybe they just felt like these these were

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Speaker 1: the moves they had to make at those at those moments.

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Speaker 1: I feel like trading Owen Casey right now is really

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Speaker 1: maximizing his value. He's like, he's doing what you want

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Speaker 1: a prospect to do right before the trade deadline. You'd

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Speaker 1: love it if all the others were doing that. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: you'd love it if al Contra was on a red

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Speaker 1: hot tear as well, and Bias Teraros and Jackson Wiggins

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Speaker 1: and Jefferson Rojas, all of them just tear it apart

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Speaker 1: and then see who has the best value, and then

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Speaker 1: who you want to keep and who you want to move.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's Casey tearing it up, and I think

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Speaker 1: that works in the cubs favor.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what they do.

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Speaker 1: They are going to probably by the time we record

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Speaker 1: another episode, we're going to hear more. Maybe we'll have

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Speaker 1: a move to talk about. We'll see what the weekend holds.

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Speaker 1: It's three against the White Sox. The White Socks have

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Speaker 1: been playing much better. They're they're they're playing well right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how the Cubs are going to do

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Frankly, like that that was we Like I said,

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Speaker 1: against Kansas City, I thought that was one of their

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Speaker 1: tougher series as far as the way they performed. But

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Speaker 1: you know, this team has been resilient and bounced back

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Speaker 1: quickly and impressed almost immediately after bad moments. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see how the weekend goes. Thanks so much for listening

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