1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: name is known, and Ben you are you that makes 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know? I want 7 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: to check in with everybody. We're We're at the end 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: of the week today, it's Friday. We need big plans 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: for the weekend. It's almost end of the month. To 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: already almost into February. I feel like this month has 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: achieved some weird form of time control, Like it's extended 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: out in my mind to feel like a much longer 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: period of time, and it's actually been Yeah, we've been 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: here a very long time. Big as at the beginning 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: of the month. Of course, I like millions of other 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: Americans play Bone Thugs and Harmony first of the month 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: just to get motivated. And it feels like it's been 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: years since I've done that. January has been very long. 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it feels like it just started. 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: I miss my Michael, Charles y'all. One day, one day, 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: maybe we can we can finally finish that Chick fil 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: A based parody song we wrote about using the melody 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: of Bone Thugs and Harmony. The reason we're talking about 24 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: time and plans for the weekend and stuff is because 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: you know, we've all been traveling more. We'll be traveling 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: more over this year, especially as a show. And today's 27 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: episode is about someone who went on their own journey, 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: person named Alisa Lamb. On February first, a twenty one 29 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: year old Canadian college student named Elisa Lamb vanished while 30 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: staying at the Cecil Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. Now, 31 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: this is in the skid Row area of Los Angeles, 32 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: which is has a reputation for being a bit dangerous 33 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: um CD if you will, lots of drugs crime in 34 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: this area. UM that's just something to take note of. 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: She was traveling alone via amtrack and she was taking 36 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: the bus a lot and she called this her quote 37 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: West Coast tour. And unfortunately, when this young woman went missing, 38 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: the cops, the police officers had no leads. The people 39 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: who were investigating, that is, with the exception of a 40 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: small video, a short snippet of video that they released 41 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: to the public. And this is a video of Elisa 42 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: Lamb in an elevator? May I describe it? Yes? Please? 43 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: In this video released by the l A p D, 44 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: which at this point the most popular posting, possibly the 45 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: only one on YouTube, has a whopping seventeen million, four 46 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen views. The videos a little under four minutes, 47 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: and it shows this young woman wearing a red hoodie 48 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: and a black skirt walking into an elevator and proceeding 49 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: to press all of the buttons for the floors in 50 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: the middle of the dial of the panel and the elevator, 51 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: and then sort of standing back against the back of 52 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: the elevator and waiting for something. We don't quite know what, 53 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: but the doors to the elevator never closed, and this 54 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: seems to disturb Miss Lamb, and she kind of acts 55 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: as though she's hiding in a corner, but it's it's 56 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: not a real sense of imminent fear of something that 57 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: she sees. It's more of preparing for something to come 58 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: on this she huddles back against the back corner of 59 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: the elevator and then proceeds to kind of peek out 60 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: of the elevator doors, which are still not closing. It's 61 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: been about thirty seconds at this point, she makes several 62 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: very wide steps from inside the elevator out into the 63 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: hall and then back, repeating these movements almost as if 64 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: doing some sort of ritual. It's very very unsettling video 65 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: to watch, honestly, and I recommend you guys start it 66 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: out and check it out for yourself even now before 67 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: proceeding with the episode exactly. And we'll have more information 68 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: about the about the elevator video a little later in 69 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the show. Right now, we're still in several weeks later, 70 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: the public has seen the video. It's out there in 71 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: the world, and after some complaints about water pressure. On February, 72 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: hotel maintenance employee named Santiago Lopez hiked a set of 73 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: stairs to the roof and then climbed the ladder to 74 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: reach one of four ten foot tall water tanks. He 75 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: noticed that the hatch on one of these tanks was open, 76 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: and that is where he discovered a Lisa Lamb, or 77 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: at least her corpse, floating inside the tank, face up. 78 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: She was nude, but authorities for the record ruled out 79 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: evidence of sexual assault, and this should be the closure 80 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: for a tragic but all too common death by drowning. 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: These occur every every year. In the US and abroad, 82 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: instead of became the beginning of a mystery. And here 83 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: we are, almost four years after the incident with almost 84 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: no solid answers. So what happened to Alisa Lamb? We're 85 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: going to explore the numerous theories surrounding surrounding the night 86 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: of her disappearance and what happened after the discovery of 87 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: her remains. So let's take a minute to explore the 88 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: life of Alisa Lamb. Here's what we know. Here are 89 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: the facts. UM. Her parents immigrated from Hong Kong to 90 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: open a restaurant in Burnaby, near Vancouver, British Columbia, and 91 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: she was a student at the University of British Columbia. 92 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: And in January she went on a solo trip to California, 93 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: which as we meant when she referred to as her 94 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: West Coast tour UM and planned stops in San Diego, 95 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Santa Cruz, and San Francisco. UM Interviews and 96 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: posts from Elisa's tumbler blog confirmed that she had difficulties 97 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: struggling with serious depression that may well have escalated into 98 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: a bipolar disorder. So, as we mentioned UH just a 99 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: few minutes ago, earlier, the local law enforcement released a 100 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: video of Alissa Lamb the hotel elevator on the night 101 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: of her disappearance, which also seems to be around the 102 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: time of her uh you know, the night of her 103 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: death or within several hours. In the video, as Noel 104 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: pointed out, she appears to be hiding from an unknown entity. 105 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: One thing that you'll notice are these wild erratic movements 106 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: body language experts this is an important note. Body language 107 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: experts believe this may be a manic period and maybe 108 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: manifesting in very strong, but very fleeting and temporary emotions. 109 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: There are times in the video where she's smiling, there 110 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: are times when she's hiding. And one thing that we 111 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: also noticed, I think when we watched it is that 112 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: the door doesn't seem to close, at least not while 113 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: she's anywhere near the elevator right right. And the fact 114 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: that she pushes that whole row of buttons, which is 115 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: not like, I mean, the whole thing. The reason it 116 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: gave me the creeps is the fact that the elevator 117 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: doors don't open and she appears to be you know, 118 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: I could see it being described as manic moves, but 119 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: they don't. It's not like she's having some sort of 120 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: fit or an attack or some sort. She feels very 121 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: in control. It feels very deliberate, the things that she's doing, 122 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: the way she's steps out of the elevator and then 123 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: back end, and then out of the elevator again and 124 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: back end, and then she kind of huddles against the 125 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: back wall of the elevator, sort of standing very still 126 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: and upright in the corner by the buttons, in the 127 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: corner by the buttons, and like it's as though she's 128 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: expecting someone or as though she senses something, you know, there, 129 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: and it really I'm not one to go for that 130 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: kind of stuff A lot. I was watching the video 131 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: gave me a bit of a shiver. Yeah, especially for me, 132 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: the body language with the hands. There's a part of 133 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: the video where she exits and she's standing directly outside 134 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: into the left at the door, so she's still visible 135 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: in profile, and she just does a strange thing pivoting 136 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: her wrist and moving her hands and some sort of 137 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: it's a very strange motion, almost like a tut. They 138 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: call that. I don't know if you watch that show, Yeah, 139 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: that's that really, I'm not joking. It has that almost 140 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: like sense of trying to complete the motions of a 141 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: ritual of some sort. Yes, it's very interesting. It looks 142 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: calculated and purposeful, and it's intricate. That's a very good point, 143 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: and that is one of the lynchpins of the various 144 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: theories surrounding the death of Alisa Lamb. Before we get 145 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: into those, I do think it is necessary for us 146 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: to have one disclaimer, which is that we're we're pursuing 147 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: this and exploring this in the utmost respectful manner, right, 148 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: in a manner of extreme respect, because we know that 149 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: sometimes when things like this get out on the internet, 150 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: people can be very dehumanizing about it, you know, and 151 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: people have had their lives ruined when they become memes 152 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: because they have a dumb picture from their high school yearbook. Right, 153 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: hopefully not none of us are speaking from experience or 154 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: actually experienced that. But this is this is a very 155 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: serious thing. This is a human beings life, and we 156 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: can't forget that this is a person that had family 157 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: and loved ones. And if you follow her social media 158 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: presence and look, you know at some of the stuff 159 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: that is out there, there is a lot of outpouring 160 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: of love for her family, and from her friends, and 161 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: we want to keep all of that in mind in 162 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: how we explore the various theories behind this tragic death. 163 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: And we will explore those theories in just a moment 164 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors. Now. In the days 165 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: and years after Lisa Lamb's death, numerous theories have sprung 166 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: up from all corners of the Internet. Usually these are 167 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: um fascinating Noel, right, Um, but you own your words, 168 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: my friends. I respect and appreciate everything about you. Sometimes 169 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: a relatively mundane. Others are a bit out there. Let's 170 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: let's call them extraordinary. Um, but let's start off with 171 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: the least unusual. What if Alice lam in the grip 172 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: of a bipolar episode climb the water tower self accessed, 173 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: uh the roof and the stairs and open the hatch 174 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: and disrobed and dropped inside. Okay, so this is a possibility. 175 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: This would probably be Occam's razor. May perhaps this would 176 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: be where you'd start with. Um, yeah, this is the 177 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: one that I would probably start with if I was 178 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: an investigator. M hm. And if only just to rule 179 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: it out, so we know that it's possible to access 180 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: the roof as who is it? Mr Lopez mentioned by 181 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: getting up to the top floor, then climbing the stairs, 182 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: opening a door that has an alarm on it, and 183 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: then you're on the roof and you can get access 184 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: to the water tanks. It's a little convoluted to get there. 185 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: We have some pictures here where you can look at 186 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: it UM and you can find them online too if 187 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: you wish look at the Cecil Hotel roof. UM. But 188 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: we also know from a video that was posted by 189 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: someone online who tried to retrace the steps of Elisa Lamb, 190 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: and this person went through the hotel room at the 191 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: Cecil Hotel got to one of the top floors, not 192 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: the very top one where you can access the roof 193 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: through the stairs, but you can access a fire escape 194 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: by climbing a ladder and then you can get to 195 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the roof that way, and then from there you can 196 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: climb another ladder that gets you up to this smaller 197 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: tower that's above where the water tanks are. And it 198 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: is very much possible that that is one way Elisa 199 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Lamb did access these water tanks. The hatch itself, the 200 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: way you get into one of these water tanks is 201 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: about sixteen inches large and UM, I have not seen anyone. 202 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen anyone like 203 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: actually opening one of these things. I haven't seen video 204 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: of it, at least I'm not aware of it. Now. 205 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: All four tanks are four by eight feet that's one 206 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: point to by two point four meters. These cylinders are 207 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: propped up on these fairly large concrete blocks, which is 208 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: why Lopez describes as a ten foot tank exactly. And 209 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: there's no fixed access to them. You can't just climb 210 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: up a ladder that's attached to one of these tanks 211 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: to get into it. That's why it's thought that perhaps 212 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: she went up around the ladder on the other side. 213 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Um and again they're protected by those heavy lids. There 214 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: is a Reddit post on Unresolved Mysteries Ben that you 215 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: and I definitely looked at, and on here someone goes 216 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: through and starts looking at the physics of what this 217 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: hatch would be, because it's this is something you can't 218 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: find online anywhere through the official sources, and it appears 219 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: that would be around thirty pounds to fifty pounds heavy, 220 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: depending on what gauge of steel what's made out of, 221 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: which is fairly heavy if you think about that, trying 222 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: to lift that up, but not impossible to lift certainly 223 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: not impossible, and while Lamb was a diminutive person, it's 224 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: not automatic proof that she couldn't lift the hatch. The 225 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: big question is whether the hatch was locked that night right, 226 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: and whether there was some way to access the roof 227 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: as a customer guest of the hotel. And that leads 228 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: us to the second theory, which is a bit darker. 229 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: What if a Lisa Lamb was abducted and murdered. This 230 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: would explain why she seemed to be behaving erratically in 231 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: the video. Maybe there was someone actually following her that 232 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: she was trying to get away from. I find that 233 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: a little difficult given you know that she didn't run 234 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: that she was just kind of hanging out in this elevator, 235 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: looking around, but not really making any efforts to escape 236 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: anything immediately threatening her. But let's continue. Um, So there's 237 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: no proof that she wasn't murdered. Let's get that out 238 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: of the way. For sure, she made blog posts while 239 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: she was staying at this hotel, UM talking about having 240 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: trouble with quote unquote creepers. UM. I guess you know 241 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: you can interpret that any number of ways, whether or 242 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: not that was someone that was actually following her around, 243 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: a single individual that she identified, or whether it was 244 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: just like you said, it was in a bad yeah, 245 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, more general and pleasantness. Um. The 246 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: blog was updated several times after her death, which is 247 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: very unusual. One of the images that's on there is 248 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: a like a graphic image of a of a light 249 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: bulb hanging from a string against a kind of a 250 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: drab wall backdrop, and inside the light bulb is um 251 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: kind of snowy scene with a with a little shack 252 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: and a tree. I found that a little unsettling myself. Um. 253 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: But Ben you mentioned you feel like this could have 254 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: been a series of scheduled posts perhaps, and people can 255 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: do you know, the internet has a weird approach to time. 256 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: You can write uh blog post and schedule it for 257 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: years in the future technically, but still if you look 258 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: at what was it, Noal, you did the legwork on 259 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: this too. You you saw the most recent post was 260 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: a definitely like the same year, but months later. So 261 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: it's then it becomes a question of when when that 262 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: post was actually written or scheduled to publish, or if 263 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: there was someone else maybe a friend or a relative 264 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: or another unknown person who had access to it. The 265 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: biggest signpost to to this, like if she had a 266 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: murderer who was were an employee at the hotel, then 267 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: that would explain why they were able to get up there. 268 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: The doors and the stairs that access the hotel's roof 269 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: are locked, with only staff having the past code and keys, 270 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: and any attempt to force them would have, in theory, 271 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: triggered an alarm. For the record, in later legal dealings 272 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: between the hotel staff and Lamb's parents lawsuits, the staff 273 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: stated that they did not hear any alarm on the 274 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: night of Lamb's disappearance and probable death. And something to 275 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: think about here is if she did access the roof 276 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: through some other means, through a fire escape or something, 277 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: it would in my mind, if she was attacked by 278 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: someone not on the roof and then taken to the roof, 279 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: that would be extremely difficult to do without having access 280 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: to the door that has an alarm on it. Yes. Yeah, 281 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: that's a very good point, and the lack of evidence 282 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: of sexual assault makes some of that a bit difficult 283 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: to believe for me. I mean, if you're going to 284 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: take a young lady, you know, up to the roof 285 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: like that. It seems like you would have nefarious intent 286 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: unless it was some sort of serial killer that who'se 287 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: m o did not include any kind of sexual assault? 288 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: Right right? And if it was a male serial killer, 289 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: male serial killers are typically typically have some sort of 290 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: aspect of that with them, right. Uh. And you know 291 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: a serial killer wouldn't be too out of the ordinary. 292 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: At the Cecil Hotel, that's true, it has a history 293 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: of uh what was it Ramirez? Richard Ramirez stayed there 294 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: for a little while. The not the original night Stalker, 295 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: but the night Stalker. Yes, Richard Ramirez, the more mainstream 296 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: night Stalker, along with his copycat Jack Unterwager, lived at 297 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: the at the Cecil Hotel while they committed their crimes. 298 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: This goes into one of the Stranger theories the idea 299 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: and this is for people who believe in things like 300 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: ghosts or possession and sorts. The Cecil Hotel has a 301 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: very troubling history, similar to the Overlook Hotel in the Shining. 302 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: It seems to be the by some dark lottery of coincidence. 303 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: It is a place where a lot of bad things 304 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: have happened. Elizabeth Short, also known as the Black Dahlia 305 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: was supposedly staying at the Cecil before she was murdered 306 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: in Goldy Ozgood, known as the Pigeon Lady of Persian Square, 307 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: was raped and murdered in her hotel room there in 308 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: sixty four, and as we said, serial killers stayed there 309 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: while they were active. The hotel has also been the 310 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: location of multiple many suicides, including and this is a 311 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: very strange one, one woman who committed suicide by jumping 312 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: out of a window off the ledge and then killed 313 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: a completely innocent person who just happened to be walking by. 314 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: That is the This is a family show, so I'll 315 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: say that is the crappiest day ever. It's almost as 316 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: though if there were some sort of malignant energy seeping 317 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: out from this place. This is almost an example of 318 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: it reaching out into the greater world around it and 319 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, having an effect. You know that's true, It's possible. 320 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: Or you take the other side and if I embodied 321 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland for a moment, you just say, well, maybe 322 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: it could just be an area where this hotel is located. 323 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: That's in Jonathan Strickland is a is a friend of 324 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: the show, host of podcast tech Stuff, and also will 325 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: make occasional appearances here. Oh he's also our complaint department, 326 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: so if you have any complaints, please send them directly 327 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: to Jonathan dot Strickland how stuff works dot com. But yeah, 328 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: that is a good point. Is it just simply that 329 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: it is a budget hotel in a bad area? I mean, 330 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: it's possible, But do you believe that there can be 331 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: places with bad or good energy? It's an interesting question 332 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: because many times people would dismiss that as some sort 333 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: of quote unquote hippy dippy thing. However, we do have 334 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: we we did find in an earlier episode on ghosts 335 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: that there's compelling evidence that human beings are sensitive to 336 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: certain frequencies and energies that we do not consciously interpret. 337 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: You know, if someone there there are frequencies that can 338 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: make you hallucinate, frequencies of noise, frequencies of electromagnetic radiation, 339 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: and the vast majority of people throughout civilization, right because 340 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: we only only really recently started understanding magnetism, and uh, 341 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: if I could quote I c p, uh don't do 342 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people still aren't clear on what's going 343 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: on with magnets. So most people, such a good way 344 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: to put it, most people will just say, you know, 345 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: if you hear something spooky, you're at this you're at 346 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: this graveyard, or you're at this place where people are 347 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: repeatedly citing strange phenomenon and you experience it yourself. A 348 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't going to instantly turn into some 349 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: sort of vulcan and go well, logically, a lot of 350 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: people are gonna link either run or take out their 351 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: camera or freak out. And I wonder if there's a 352 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: wonder if there's such things as good places. You know, 353 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: there are a couple here in the Atlanta area that 354 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: are rumored to be like that. Uh, there's a spot 355 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: in Arabia Mountain, which is fun fact also the location 356 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: part of the filming location Pet Cemetery too. Really Yeah, 357 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: Arabia Mountains an interesting place that you go and it 358 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: feels like you're almost on the moon, like if they're 359 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: these bizarre craters that support it's some kind of you know, 360 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: the specifics of the type of that stem lichen is 361 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: it's like red. It makes the water red. So there 362 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: are all these pools of blood red water with mossy, 363 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: kind of fuzzy little ecosystems within them. Um and it's 364 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: and it looks like nothing nowhere else I've ever been 365 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: in my life. If you are and little cairns, little 366 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: stacks of rocks, is it? Is it cursed the area there? 367 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: Or is it a good place? Uh? Well, it seems 368 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: to be usually a bad place, because the reports we 369 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: would always always hear were that it had a higher 370 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: than average incidents of violent crime, which again could just 371 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: be the location. It's a very old, old place. It's 372 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: part of the fourth largest basaltic extrusion, which it's it's 373 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: also as part of the same gigantic chunk of basaltic 374 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: rock that formed Stone Mountain, which is another fairly odd 375 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: Atlanta attraction. And yeah, like Noll said, the plants there 376 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: seemed completely, almost completely alien, you know, and it does 377 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: feel like you're in the moon. Uh. There were some 378 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: very dodgy murders there in the seventies. You can see 379 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: where at the sight of one death, someone wrote the 380 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: Lord's Prayer and white paint. And I remember going there 381 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: many years ago to have seen somebody scrawling it out 382 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: in black paint and writing he can't hear you. And 383 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: I don't know who stacks those rocks, but anyway, it's 384 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: it's a strange place, and it's easy. It's surprisingly easy 385 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: to get lost there too. But for people who believe 386 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: in very good places are very bad places are very 387 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: spiritual places. We would like to hear what you think, 388 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: if you think that's real, and if you think there's 389 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: a reason behind it, whether that reason is scientific or spiritual. Uh, 390 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: you know, we have you know, we've heard stuff before 391 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: about lay lines or the geomagnetic theories. We've also heard 392 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: arguments about things like altitude affecting someone's perception or sea level. 393 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: It's very fascinating thing. I got a couple additional details 394 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: about the Alsa Lamb case that are quite troubling. You 395 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: may want to cut this out, guys, but um, apparently 396 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: she was in the tank long enough that her remains 397 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: contaminated the drinking water and bathing water for the hotel, 398 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: and some guests reported, you know, having drank drinking something 399 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: wrong was what the taste was off. Yeah, that's one 400 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: of the big back and forth that people have had 401 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: in the years since, because we know there was definitely 402 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: water pressure. But if there's a decomposing it was what 403 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: they call more moderately decomposed bodies, So that means it's 404 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: bloated screenish, it's you know, it is contamination. So yeah, 405 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: those people in those in this place with hundreds of 406 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: rooms you're right now, probably drink it. And we didn't 407 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: have I couldn't find any reports that confirmed any illness 408 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: from that. But statistically it's very very likely that that 409 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: happened because these are this was a matter of weeks, 410 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And and finally, um, the parents Lisa 411 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: Lamb's parents actually filed a lawsuit, a negligence lawsuit against 412 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: the hotel, but a judge in Los Angeles threw it out, 413 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: claiming that the death could in no way have been 414 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: considered foreseeable. Um entirely because of the conditions that we described. 415 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: In order to get into that tank, she would have 416 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: had to scale quite a few treacherous uh situations, including 417 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: a ladder to get up to the ledge above it 418 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: because there were no accessible ladders on the tanks themselves, 419 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: and then would have had to scale down a partial 420 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: wall that was above the tank, or just jumped off 421 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: of the roof onto the top of the tank. And um, 422 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: there was nothing, according to the judge's ruling, that would 423 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: have made it inviting in any way or made it 424 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: seem like it was okay to be there. Everything pointed 425 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: to this person having done this themselves, which I think 426 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: is what makes this case so very, very creepy to me. 427 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 1: And also, you know, I'm glad you brought that up, 428 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: because one of the most painful things about something like 429 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: this is when someone is gone, you know, and if 430 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: your child is gone, then that's the beginning of something 431 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: that is going to continue for years and maybe never ends. 432 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: And they have to go to the to this courtroom, 433 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: to stand in front of these strangers to say, you know, 434 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: people shouldn't die when they go to your hotel. Our 435 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: daughter shouldn't die. And it's and it's tough. You know, 436 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: I do not envy. Well, there's always a need to 437 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: find answers, and sometimes that leads to a sense for 438 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: retaliation against a perceived enemy, you know, and antagonists. Um. 439 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: But we should also mention that, you know, bipolar disorder 440 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: manifests itself across a very large spectrum. I mean, I've 441 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: known people that were considered bipolar, and these behaviors, these 442 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: manic episodes followed by these depressive episodes there really mild 443 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: and it's very manageable. But given a further trip down 444 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: that spectrum, you could find yourself in a place where 445 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: you would be driven to do something like this. Well, 446 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: your perception of your environment reality UH takes takes a 447 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: hard left. It's it's a it's a very serious thing 448 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: and it does have a spectrum, and it does have 449 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: degrees and especially if you depending on what cocktail you 450 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: have running through your body of drugs, right, And so 451 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: that's that's a good point to There is an autopsy 452 00:29:54,160 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: report that you can find in PDF form online and 453 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: this this thing has some good news. There was a 454 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: hair and feurniale kit done, no evidence of physical trauma 455 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: nor of sexual assault. They also found no evidence this 456 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: is interesting that she would suggest Lamb had committed suicide. 457 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: So that's why it's ruled as an accidental drowning, and 458 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: they do site bipolar disorder as a significant factor. They 459 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: also found her clothes that she's wearing in the elevator 460 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: video floating in the water beside her UH, coated with 461 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: a quoting here sand like particulate. I'm not sure where 462 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: it came from, and her watching room key were there too. 463 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: Toxicology tests were done on her blood and they found 464 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: traces of her prescription medication. She was on a long 465 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: list she had she had a long history of taking medication. 466 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: She's probably a better way to say it. Uh. She 467 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: also had non prescription drugs, excited tab Ivy profen. She 468 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: had point zero two percent alcohol in her blood, but 469 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: there were no recreational drugs in her system. And I 470 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: mean point zero two percent is like a beer. Yeah, 471 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: you know, it's the body is also breaking down at 472 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: this point, that's true. And so how long was it 473 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: before that she was she was discovered, Just to make 474 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: that clear one more time, Yes, so from February one 475 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: to February so two weeks, well between two and three weeks. Yeah, 476 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: And the full autopsy report was released four months later 477 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: in June. But on February one, the coroner's office ruled 478 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: it an accidental drowning. There are so many unexplained things 479 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: that that occurred that night and then from that date 480 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: up until she was found and even now today, and 481 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: there are so many ideas about what this could be, 482 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: of what could have happened. Some of them even veer 483 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: into this spooky maybe I mean almost a sense that 484 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: there were some occult activity going on some of the 485 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: message boards and various postings and sort of more conspiracy 486 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy oriented forums and groups that I've seen, um, you know, 487 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: talk about this case in the same breath as Alistair Crowley, 488 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: the kinds of summoning rituals that he would have done 489 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: with these hand movements, the touts that we were talking 490 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: about earlier, or um with the possession, the demon possession, 491 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of versions of the story with this being a 492 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: bad place, very much like the movie pet Cemetery, which 493 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: came up unrelated to this, actually talking about locations of 494 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: the filming, but you know that had to do with 495 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: a location that was built on the soul, the saw 496 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: tainted ground ground. Richard Ramirez also was a practicing occultist. 497 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: He practiced what he considered to be left hand pas 498 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: magical rituals, and this is something that I think is 499 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: thrown around far too often. But another thing that I 500 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: seems to pop up a lot about this case is 501 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: that this is an example of some sort of Illuminati 502 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: ritual exposed to the public um in a way that 503 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: perhaps the ones perpetrating it wouldn't have wanted to happen. 504 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: So let's continue down this path, this rabbit hole. Let's 505 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: look at some more extraordinary theories regarding this incident. After 506 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: a quick word from our sponsors, one of the strangest 507 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: accounts that we read. One of the strangest theories we 508 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: found regarding the events on the night of February first 509 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: was an urban legend that originated in Korea, and it 510 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: is called the Elevator Game. This is completely speculative. We 511 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: have not played this game. I don't know if we 512 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: would want to. I cannot wait to do this. The 513 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: idea I would rank this in the old dare Daring 514 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: your friends to do stuff games that so many people 515 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: play growing up, turning off the lights, saying bloody Mary 516 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: several times in a mirror things right, candy Man. So 517 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: the ideas that by performing a certain ritual in an 518 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: elevator very specific when you will arrive at a slightly 519 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: off kilter plane of existence. And I'll read some stuff 520 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: from just the account of the Elevator game. According to 521 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: people that have completed the game successfully, it looks the 522 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: same as the town and building the you're from when 523 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: you emerge, but all the lights are off. You can 524 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: only see a red cross in the distance. You're the 525 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: only living thing in this plane, and for the most part, 526 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: electronics don't work. If you manage to get to this 527 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: strange place, returning to the real world is more difficult. 528 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: You will grow disordented. The elevator door will seem to 529 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: grow further and further away as you walk toward it. 530 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: Only one person can play the game at a time. 531 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: It can only be performed in a building at least 532 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: ten stories high with at least one elevator in it. 533 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: Otherwise you cannot proceed. And they have the instructions for traveling, 534 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: and we don't have to go through all of this, 535 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: but one of the ideas would be you enter the 536 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: well the basic steps. You enter the elevator from the 537 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: first floor by yourself. If anyone else gets on, you 538 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: cannot continue the ritual and you have to wait until 539 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: you can take the elevator alone. You press the button 540 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: for the fourth floor. When it reaches the fourth floor, 541 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: you stay inside the elevator and press the button for 542 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: the second floor. Don't get out. When you reach the 543 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: second floor, stay in and press the button for the 544 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: sixth floor, and then after that don't get out. Remain 545 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: in the elevator, go back to the second floor, and 546 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: once you reach the second floor, press the button for 547 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: the tenth floor. And if you hear anything calling to 548 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: you on the second floor, do not reply. Don't answer. 549 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: And then once you're so it's very intricate, right, this 550 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,479 Speaker 1: pattern of buttons. Right, So, once you reach the tenth floor, 551 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: stay on and press the button for the fifth floor. 552 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: This is the creepy part. They say that when you 553 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: enter the when you when you get to the fifth floor, 554 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: after you've done this series of buttons, a woman will 555 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: enter a stranger. Uh. A strange woman will enter the elevator, 556 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: and she'll try to talk to you, and you can't 557 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: acknowledge them. She might this person might even appear as 558 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: someone you are familiar with, according to the legend, the 559 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: old high school friend, co worker. UH. And then you 560 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: press the It's important that you don't look at this 561 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: person all. And if you press the button to head 562 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: to the first floor. This is when you know the 563 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: ritual worked correctly, because you'll push the button for the 564 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: first floor and instead of going to the first floor, 565 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: you go to the tenth You start going up, and 566 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 1: then if you reach the tenth floor, you can stay 567 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: on our exit the elevator. UH. Some have said that 568 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: when they are trying to leave, the woman will try 569 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: one last time to engage with you. She may raise 570 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: your voice, she may shriek at you. There's only one 571 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: way to know. Whether you travel to the other world, 572 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: for sure, you will be the only living thing there. 573 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: And then they have instructions to get back to the 574 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: get back to the actual world, our world. Uh, and 575 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: they're they're they're pretty detailed. So this has all the 576 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: makings of an urban legend, right. It has all the tropes. 577 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: It has a it has the fear of strangers, It 578 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: has the importance of ritual and rule following. It has 579 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: anonymity and authors. It has no specific examples of times 580 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: that this occurred. So, uh, the best way for you 581 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: and I and everyone else to find out whether this 582 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: works would be to attempt it here. We cannot attempt 583 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: it in our office because our office is not ten stories, 584 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: so that would be a different ritual really fast. Along 585 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: with these things that you're listening off about, what makes 586 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: it an urban legend. One issue here is that electronics, 587 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: most electronics don't seem to work or for the most part, 588 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: or which you know, you try and film this so 589 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: you can put it on YouTube and show yourself going 590 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: to an alternate plane. It's probably not gonna happen because 591 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: electronics don't work. Also, you need to be alone, And 592 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: would that violate one of the rules by having a 593 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: camera which is in some way an infinite number of viewers. Yeah, 594 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 1: but how about this fellas. Another thing about urban legends 595 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: is that they're you know, cobbled together from bits of 596 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: things that may or may not be true. The thing 597 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: you end up with is sort of the product of 598 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: a game of telephone played over generations. Sometimes, you know, 599 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: what if a story like this, What if there was 600 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: some truth to it? What if the procedure outlined here 601 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: is not exactly right. What if someone really had the 602 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: right way of doing this and did involve an elevator. 603 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: Maybe it involves some strange hand gestures. Maybe it involved, 604 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, pressing a certain row of buttons all the way. 605 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: And maybe there's an apparition of some sort in that 606 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: elevator footage that is being communicated with in some way. 607 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't usually go for this kind of stuff, 608 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: but this story really got my imagination going. And I 609 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: can't help but think of that tumbler image that was 610 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: posted after Melissa Lamb's death so long after of a 611 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: single lightbulb with another world contained inside, hanging from a 612 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: string against a drab backdrop. It just kind of represents 613 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: to me this idea of a different world going to 614 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: a different place. Yeah, that you know, that's a very 615 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: good point. And only also it also calls to mind 616 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: our discussion about rituals and grim wise, you know, the 617 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: idea that maybe there is a real ritual and it 618 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: it just isn't specifically explained correctly. And we do know 619 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: the one thing that escapes a lot of people about 620 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: folk tales and fairy tales. It's easy to dismiss them. 621 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: But like no said with the game of telephone for generations, 622 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: these are cobbled from very very old old stories. All 623 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: so many of those urban legends that you may hear 624 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: about UFOs began as stories of gods and mountains and 625 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: evil spirits or fairies or faye. And so this likely 626 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: does have the DNA might say, of of something else. 627 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: And the way that the way that they associate the 628 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: people who believe that this elevator game through the way 629 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: they associated is with exactly as you pointed out, the 630 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: button pushing and the deliberate seeming motions that this person takes. 631 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: But I wonder if anybody has thought about the point 632 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: that you made, which I don't think I've heard. I 633 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: think this is the first time I've thought about it. 634 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: The lightbulb image. Uh, not to poke holes in the 635 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: theory too much, but Alisa Lamb, at least according to 636 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: the video, never travels on the elevator, stays on one floor. 637 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought that up because people who 638 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: claim to be video editor experts have controversial views about that. 639 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,959 Speaker 1: And this is where I wanted to defer to you guys, 640 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,240 Speaker 1: to your expertise. Do you think the video is edited? 641 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: I know the time stamp is obscured in the original 642 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: because several people watched it and said that it was 643 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: edited for people who are not, you know, pursuing some 644 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: kind of uh, supernatural or extraordinary explanation. The people who 645 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: think there is a conspiracy, perhaps on the part of 646 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: the hotel or perhaps even on the l A p D. 647 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 1: On the l A p D s end Uh, they 648 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: say that there was someone else visible on the camera, 649 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: but time had and cut out or spliced, and and 650 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to know what what you guys think of that. 651 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: The biggest thing for me in watching it is I 652 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: cannot find a good enough rip of the original one. 653 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: The the video that's posted under what is it Dennis Romero, 654 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: that's the one with seventeen million views that we were 655 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: talking about, and then that's obviously the most commonly viewed 656 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: one just from the numbers, but it is so pixelated 657 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: and everything, like the numbers at the bottom with the 658 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: time code or what I'm assuming is time code on 659 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: the bottom left hand corner. It's just it looks strange 660 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: to me, and it's so little quality that it would 661 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: be very hard to determine whether or not this thing 662 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: was affected in post somehow to look in a certain way, 663 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: because you could manipulate the contents of this imagery fairly easily. Okay, 664 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: So in that case, it's sort of inconclusive. That's what 665 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: I would say. Okay, what do you think? It wasn't 666 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: anything that would have been easy to edit that actually 667 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: hit me about it. It was just more the way 668 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: she moved, you know, it was like the way she 669 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: the things that she did. So you are you saying 670 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: that like it may have been there may have been 671 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: parts of it that were edited out, perhaps where the 672 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: elevator was in motion, where she did get on and 673 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: took the elevator to another floor, or someone else did 674 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: at some point get on the elevator with her. And 675 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: then the numbers down here that it appears to be 676 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: a time code that's in white as the primary color, 677 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: and then there's either a drop shadow or a black 678 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: background on top of the numbers, and that's generally not 679 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: what you see in time code. Perhaps it is for 680 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,959 Speaker 1: this system that's used in the hotel, but it looks 681 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: strange to me as someone who works with video on 682 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,439 Speaker 1: a daily basis. Why does it matter whether it moved 683 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: or not. Um, I guess for more information on her travels, 684 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: like whether she was truly alone, and you know, if that, 685 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: if it was available to the police, then they would 686 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: know and that would be part of the investigation hopefully. 687 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: And I'll put on my I'll put I'll put on 688 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,479 Speaker 1: my Johnathan cap here for a second to and say 689 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: that the one of one of the people who believed 690 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: that the video was edited as some sort of conspiracy 691 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: maybe if there was a if there was a murder 692 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: and was someone at the hotel or something. The their 693 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,760 Speaker 1: idea is that it was edited to cut that person 694 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: off from appearing on camera. However, we should also point 695 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: out that even unto the idea of door locks and stuff, 696 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: this is kind of a CD hotel or a budget hotel, right, 697 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: and it's got a lot of history. But also it's 698 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: not as likely to follow procedures to a t, including 699 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: stuff like elevator maintenance. So if it's an older elevator, 700 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 1: it could just be malfunctioning. I don't know if that's 701 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: the case. I haven't talked to the elevator maintenance guy, 702 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: I haven't checked their paperwork from but that does seem 703 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,720 Speaker 1: to be a possibility. If someone were to be murdered 704 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: in a hotel, is the hotel libel to the family 705 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: of the victim. That's a really good question. I guess 706 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: it would only be through if it were through negligence, 707 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: So if we were, I don't want to use us 708 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: for example, who are other coworkers Jonathan? Okay, sure, he's 709 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: gonna love this episode, all right, So if Jonathan, we're 710 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: in uh, we're in a hotel room, and he invited 711 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: guests over and one of let's keep his hands clean. 712 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: One of his friends murdered another one of his friends 713 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 1: in an argument over the Renaissance Festival clue style. Clues style, yes, yeah, okay, 714 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 1: clue style. Uh it was Aberil von Battenborough in unit 715 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,479 Speaker 1: with the chopsticks, with the chopsticks. Okay, yeah, I knew 716 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: you were there. That's brutal. Von Battenborough is a very 717 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: brutal man, even when he's out of character. Well, what 718 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: would happen then? As I think the who, and I'm 719 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: not a lawyer, I think the hotel would not be 720 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: responsible because they, on their part, did nothing wrong to 721 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: assist that if you are at a hotel, you can 722 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: usually bring guests, and if the hotel's rooms and units 723 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: are up to code in terms of safety and everything, 724 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: then there's nothing wrong if they if it could be 725 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: proven that the person at the counter, let's say our 726 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: coworker Lauren was at the counter there as the as 727 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: the clerk, and this Admiral von Batberg guy said I'm 728 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: going up to you know, I'm going to murder one 729 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: of Jonathan Strickland's friends, and she didn't call the cops, 730 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: then she would be liable as an individual. But what 731 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,959 Speaker 1: about even if like an employee of the hotel gave 732 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: someone information that finding someone that didn't want to be found, 733 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: For example, Yeah, Like, I just wonder that's a really 734 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: good point, because that happens on both sides of the law. 735 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,439 Speaker 1: That happens when police are hunting down a missing person 736 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,879 Speaker 1: or someone who committed a crime and is on the run. 737 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: But that also would happen, you know, with an abusive 738 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: spouse or a hit man. That's a very good question. 739 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,879 Speaker 1: I'm interested. We should throw this to the listeners. Ladies 740 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, if you have a history in the hospitality business, 741 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: we would like to know, uh, purely for informational purposes, right, 742 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: no plans, right, Okay, So we would like to know 743 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: how how that legally works, because a lot of hotels, 744 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,919 Speaker 1: by the by the mirror, by their mere existence as 745 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: temporary housing, could plausibly have any of the crimes that 746 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: occur in in a permanent house occur there murder, assault, theft, kidnapping, 747 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: and so at what point is the hotel liable? This 748 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: is really making me rethink hotels. Man. I never ever 749 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: say at some place that you don't control. Really fast 750 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 1: this video, I just I was looking back through it 751 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: again as you guys are having that discussion, and at 752 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: two fifty six in the time code of the Dennish 753 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: Romero version. There is clearly, clearly a stop in the 754 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: time code, pausing the video in the doors begins closing. 755 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: That's one of the places that people I went through 756 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: the comments, that's one of the places that people have 757 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: noticed something is off. And you'll see a few instances 758 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: of that where you can clearly tell that whatever time 759 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: code is generated at the bottom skips a bit and 760 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: or stops. So is it possible then that it could 761 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: be just a cut for time? Is it possible that 762 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 1: the law enforcement just dispersed the most relevant part of 763 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: absolutely possibility for our footage. But we won't know unless 764 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: we were told that directly by someone who was on 765 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: the case. And there is one other theory, one final 766 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: theory that we found that is a very strange coincidence. 767 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna call this one, a very strange coincidence, 768 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: and it ultimately ties into or implicitly ties into the 769 00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:02,919 Speaker 1: concept of human experimentation. When Eliza Lamb was in California 770 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: at this time, there was a tuberculosis tests occurring, a 771 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,359 Speaker 1: large scale one, and the goals of this were too 772 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: combat the rise of drug resistant TB Noble aspiration. It 773 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: is a one that is important to the species as 774 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 1: a whole. The official name of this test of this 775 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: project was Lamb Elisa l A N E L I 776 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: S A, the same spelling of Eliza's Aliza Lamb's name 777 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:46,120 Speaker 1: Eliza Lamb the person. Because of this very strange coincidence, 778 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: many people have speculated that the disappearance and death are 779 00:51:52,360 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: somehow related. And because of this I, as well as 780 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: some other problems with the autopsy reporter or cited controversies 781 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: with the autopsy report, UH, people believe that maybe this 782 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: was the tip of an iceberg of another mass human experimentation. 783 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,839 Speaker 1: And as much as um, as much as we would 784 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: the three of us would like to say, no, that's crazy, 785 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 1: that would never happen. We've looked at cases where the 786 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: US government conducted widespread and dangerous experiments on its own 787 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: population in St. Louis in southern California, and uh, they 788 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,280 Speaker 1: gave people syphilis or or excuse me, the official story 789 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 1: is they just didn't treat syphilis. They looked at the effect. 790 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,880 Speaker 1: They looked at the effects. So we knew know that 791 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: human experimentation occurs. However, what we also know is that 792 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: the public tends to find out about this decades decades later, 793 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: and it's the old weisia board argument, right, like, if 794 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: there is a real, if there really is a way 795 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 1: to contact the afterlife, is it in a mass produced 796 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: game by Parker Brothers and still no proof? If there 797 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:19,840 Speaker 1: is a if there is a vast nefarious citywide or 798 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 1: you know, large scale secret human experimentation project, are they 799 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: going to name it after one of the people involved? 800 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's like calling it That's 801 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: like Matt Frederick having a human Sacrifice ring operating in 802 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: Arabia Mountain and the seventies and then having putting out 803 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,319 Speaker 1: a public notice about Matt Frederick's hop secret human sacrifice 804 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: ring the sacrifice dash Human Right or Yeah right dot org. 805 00:53:54,360 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 1: It's a nonprofit, so that coincidence while string with the 806 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,399 Speaker 1: information we have now, it's tough to call it anything else. 807 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,600 Speaker 1: And at this point, it seems like the majority of 808 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 1: people believed that this was a very unfortunate, tragic, heartbreaking 809 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:22,320 Speaker 1: incident that happened completely involving Eliza Lamb. On our own, however, 810 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: we would like to know what you think are the 811 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: questions that people opposing um Are they utter bunk or 812 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,800 Speaker 1: they malarkey? Is there something more to the story. And 813 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: while you're at it, Uh, what other unexplained disappearances or 814 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,080 Speaker 1: deaths would you like us to explore in the future. 815 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. And speaking of hearing 816 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: from you, what do you say, guys, should we do? 817 00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: Shut at Konna? Our first shout out goes to Jacob 818 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: also known as Hancho Hancho underscore one. Is it all 819 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 1: right that I said that, Jacob? I hope so, because 820 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: I did. Have you guys ever looked into un Agenda 821 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,480 Speaker 1: twenty one? Oh, yes, we have, sir, supposedly quote the 822 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,239 Speaker 1: naked communist ties in with it. I had a human 823 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,640 Speaker 1: growth and development professor that made us watch the documentary 824 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:30,480 Speaker 1: Agenda Grinding America Down. Well, we have covered Agenda twenty 825 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,839 Speaker 1: one in video form. You can find that on our 826 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 1: YouTube channel or at stuff they don't want you to 827 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 1: know dot com. The best U r L in the 828 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: history of the internets. And this is this has to 829 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,279 Speaker 1: do with food production and well, there's a lot of 830 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: stuff that goes into Agenda twenty one. It's characterized as 831 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:59,480 Speaker 1: a sustainable as a voluntary action plan for sustainable development, 832 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: which means that, uh, they're hoping to combat poverty. They're 833 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 1: hoping to create more more legal protection for environmental concerns 834 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: the forestation, bio diversity, control, pollution, et cetera. Opponents of 835 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: it say typically say that this is removing severenity UH 836 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: and agency from individual countries. And this is a huge 837 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,640 Speaker 1: this is a huge documents, three fifty pages. It's forty 838 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 1: chapters long. I have I I am always surprised when 839 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: someone has read the entire thing. UH. And it's not 840 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: too popular in the US. Well, here's the best way 841 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 1: to say it, Hancho. June two twelve poll of US 842 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: voters found that nine percent of the people supported it, 843 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: six percent of it, six percent opposed it, and said 844 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: they didn't have an opinion because they didn't know what 845 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,759 Speaker 1: it is, because it didn't have enough information. And I'm 846 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,400 Speaker 1: going to check out the documentary you recommended, Grinding America Down. 847 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 1: I have not seen that yet, have you guys seen that? 848 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: I have not, but you know, just from the research 849 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: I had done previously with you guys on this, I 850 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: don't look at Agenda twenty one kindly too much because 851 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 1: it does feel like there's maybe something to it that 852 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: gets in I don't want to say gets into eugenics 853 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,520 Speaker 1: too much. It's the population control. It feels that way 854 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,680 Speaker 1: to me, even though that's not stated anywhere right any 855 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: in any of the documents that they're official. It just 856 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: has that feeling. That's uh the way I view it currently. 857 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: The main the main criticism I've heard in the West 858 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: against UH Agenda one is the idea that it is 859 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: creating a global order and or a global dictatorship. So 860 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: you'll hear a lot of a lot of people say 861 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:16,240 Speaker 1: that it is um eroding American severenity. Yeah, it's like 862 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 1: twenty four years old, now five years old. How time flies? 863 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: How time flies when you have big plans? Right, thank 864 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: you for writing in Hancho. We have another shout out. 865 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: Our second shout out of the day comes from riker 866 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: Ce Dear Conspiracy, Hey, how's it going guys. I'm a 867 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: truck driver, so for around eleven hours a day, I 868 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: pretty much do anything I can to fight off the boredom. 869 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 1: Um you guys, along with the stuff you should no team, 870 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 1: really make my day a lot easier. And I've been 871 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: binge listening a lot of your stuff lately. I've been 872 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: skipping around a lot, but today I listened to your 873 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,400 Speaker 1: episode on the Fermi Paradox. And I know I'm incredibly 874 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: late on this, but I wanted to add something that 875 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: I thought would surprise you that you guys did not 876 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: discuss in our solar system. This takes up about ninety 877 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of the matter here. Of the 878 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 1: remaining point one percent, Jupiter takes up about seventy of that. Uh. 879 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,320 Speaker 1: In our own solar system, we're basically nothing. Imagine how 880 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 1: hard that minuscule amount of matter would be to pick 881 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 1: up on various equipment. Um. Yeah, if it even showed 882 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: up at all, it could be attributed to a rounding error. Uh. 883 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,640 Speaker 1: It's entirely likely that an intelligent life form visited our 884 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: solar system in a search for life but just looked 885 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 1: us over as a computing error. Just wanted to offer 886 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 1: up another explanation on the subject. It was one of 887 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: my favorite episodes. You guys are great, and for my 888 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,360 Speaker 1: sanity sake, please keep up the awesome work. Also, do 889 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: you guys ever plan on doing any kind of work 890 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 1: with Aaron from the Lower Podcast? Your cryptid stuff is 891 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: really interesting and it would be a dream come true 892 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,240 Speaker 1: to hear that you guys are guest starring or he's 893 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: guest starring. Well, that's cool. We're actually going to be 894 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 1: on a bill with Lore at the New York City 895 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: pod Fest April nine at the Bell House in Brooklyn, 896 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,360 Speaker 1: so maybe we can make make friends there and yeah, 897 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,840 Speaker 1: technically we can say that we are in a show. 898 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah technically. Uh, that's a that's that's a pretty pretty 899 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 1: great idea. Maybe we should maybe we should write to him, 900 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 1: see if you wants to hang out, and not to 901 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 1: mention the computing error stuff. I mean, I think that 902 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 1: is interesting if you're looking, if you're monitoring, you know, 903 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,640 Speaker 1: big picture stuff from far, far, far far away. It's 904 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: true that we are a bit of a spec. We're 905 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 1: a blue, tiny bluespec. We are not near as important 906 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: as we think we are. That is pretty much the 907 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 1: story of human history, right, but the the I really 908 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 1: appreciate that, and uh, don't feel bad. Don't don't feel 909 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: bad about being quote unquote late wriker. That's that's awesome. 910 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: That's a point that I personally didn't consider at all, 911 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, and it probably works both ways, right, because 912 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: if there's another planet around the same size, right, even 913 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 1: if it's very advanced advanced civilization our odds of finding 914 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:05,680 Speaker 1: it with our comparatively rudimentary equipment are even more infantessimal. 915 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 1: It's a big world, It's a big universe. It makes 916 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 1: you think. Also, big shout out to your parents Riker 917 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,800 Speaker 1: for naming you that, or you if you changed your 918 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,240 Speaker 1: name however got there. And maybe it's just a moniker 919 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 1: the cool name. Yeah, these are these are all great names. Hancho, Jacob, 920 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 1: it's Jacob. I like Hancho alright, Sorry, sorry, Jacob. I 921 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,320 Speaker 1: think both of your names are awesome. It's just Hancho 922 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,520 Speaker 1: seems like such a cool like street name. You know 923 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: what I mean? You know I'd roll with Hancho. Yeah, 924 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,960 Speaker 1: I'd roll with Hancho too. We've got another shout out 925 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: for today from somebody else who has an awesome name 926 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 1: and is Miranda s. Hey, guys, absolutely love the show. 927 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Been a fan for years and so happy you guys 928 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: do audio podcasts now as well. I was wondering if 929 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 1: maybe you guys could do an episode about the Deep Web. 930 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Maybe did already? Not sure. Also, vile magic slash satanic 931 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: sects would be an interesting subject, as with the science 932 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,640 Speaker 1: behind chaos, magic and sigils, or their relation to sosionic 933 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,320 Speaker 1: manifestation as a whole. Anyway, keep up the great work 934 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: you guys. Help me breathe through my work day, Miranda. 935 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,200 Speaker 1: We uh we do. We're we're in luck. We do, 936 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,080 Speaker 1: in fact have an episode on the Deep Web on 937 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 1: the on the basics of it um and you can 938 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,200 Speaker 1: also check out some I feel like we have to 939 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 1: we have to play nice with our coworker Johnathan at 940 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: the end of this episode. You can also check out 941 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: some of the episodes he has about the Deep Web, 942 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,200 Speaker 1: which are great and uh my favorite one personally that 943 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,960 Speaker 1: we've done is the interview with Alex Winter, who made 944 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:51,040 Speaker 1: a documentary called the Deep Web or Deep Web. Yeah, 945 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,280 Speaker 1: we uh we did have an interview with him, very 946 01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:00,080 Speaker 1: very cool guy, very knowledgeable as well. Uh well, the 947 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: on the subject of magic, satanic sex or chaos, magic 948 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:09,000 Speaker 1: and sigils. And to be clear s E. C. T. S. Yes, yes, yes, 949 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,200 Speaker 1: thank you matt On on that point, there are we 950 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,200 Speaker 1: We've done some work on magic in the past, and 951 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: we we really I think we have a wealth of 952 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 1: strange opportunities when it comes to examining specific uh specific 953 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:35,440 Speaker 1: occult sects like you know nol earlier mentioned Alistair Crowley 954 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,800 Speaker 1: and uh and we were talking about occult theories in 955 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,880 Speaker 1: this episode, and I love to delve into the Great Beast, 956 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,840 Speaker 1: at least conversationally. Yeah, and so we'd like to follow 957 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:56,720 Speaker 1: up on that for now. This concludes Gosh and it 958 01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: also concludes today's episode of The Stuff I Want You 959 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,080 Speaker 1: to Know a podcast. One more thing though, my god, 960 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I know, come on, I'm not a coffee. If you 961 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,880 Speaker 1: guys are interested in that elevator ritual that we were 962 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: discussing earlier, there is an Oculus rift experience called the 963 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: elevator ritual where in you get into an elevator and 964 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: you do the steps where you go up to the 965 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,280 Speaker 1: second floor, or no, you go up to the fourth floor. 966 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: Then second six second, eight seconds, you do the whole thing, 967 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,000 Speaker 1: and there may or may not be an ethereal woman involved, 968 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,440 Speaker 1: but it sounds exciting. No thanks, y'all can have that. 969 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't have an access to an oculus, so I 970 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 1: can't really do it. I think the thing is nolan. 971 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I are not the guys in horror movies who go, 972 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 1: what was that noise? I'm gonna check it out, see 973 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,520 Speaker 1: that's me though I don't I don't even want to 974 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,600 Speaker 1: go to like haunted houses and stuff like, you know, 975 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,760 Speaker 1: the produced ones, not've never been to one. Don't plan 976 01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,360 Speaker 1: on change in that anytime soon. I prefer to be 977 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,240 Speaker 1: the thing hiding in the dark waiting. Yeah that thing, Matt. Yeah, 978 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,040 Speaker 1: believe in yourself. Man, we have you know, it's it's 979 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 1: soon as a haunted houses thing. It's just never been 980 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,160 Speaker 1: my cup of tea. I would, I would, Uh, I 981 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,840 Speaker 1: like control. I'm a control freak. Well, I just you know, 982 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are having fun. And on a 983 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,440 Speaker 1: technical level, I'm sure to makeup is impressive. But I 984 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,640 Speaker 1: live in Atlanta. If I want to run through a 985 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 1: sketchy area and have people jump out and try to 986 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:30,840 Speaker 1: grab me, then I can just walk there you go. 987 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,320 Speaker 1: So what do you say, Matt? Can we end the 988 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,040 Speaker 1: show now? I think we can? Said, okay, I give 989 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:41,080 Speaker 1: you permission, thanks buddy, even though I have no permission 990 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,520 Speaker 1: to give you my favorite and I am painfully aware 991 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,280 Speaker 1: of that. No, we're we're mostly kidding. We are all 992 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,120 Speaker 1: actually friends who hang out outside of the show, and 993 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,000 Speaker 1: that reminds us. If you happen to be in New York, 994 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,920 Speaker 1: we're going to put together some kind of hangout thing 995 01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: there in April, so let us let us know if 996 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,040 Speaker 1: you're in town. Will at more details coming soon. 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