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Speaker 1: Jay Sheetty Jay Shetty Len shet Hey everyone, welcome back
Speaker 1: to On the Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier,
Speaker 1: and more healed. Today's guest is someone I've been listening
Speaker 1: to since I was a kid, very very grateful to
Speaker 1: have on the show, the one the only someone who
Speaker 1: needs no introduction. Fat Joe, Joe, Welcome to on Purpose.
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that.
Speaker 2: You're here A long time coming out.
Speaker 1: I know there's been a long term coming. We did
Speaker 1: a short get together connection.
Speaker 2: We always knew we was going to do this sooner
Speaker 2: or later. But it's honor to be here.
Speaker 1: No, I'm very grateful to have you here. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: grew up listening to you. I was listening to you
Speaker 1: this morning getting ready for the show, just to prepare
Speaker 1: my mindset.
Speaker 2: And that's a different Fat Joe, Fat Joe, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I listen to my music, I'm like, yo, I
Speaker 2: can't even believe, like it was really Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a different time.
Speaker 1: What what what's your earliest childhood memory that has defined
Speaker 1: who you are today?
Speaker 2: Wow? Just uh, always being charismatic, always being you know,
Speaker 2: from the class clown to people always loved me. I
Speaker 2: always told great stories and and so when you're growing
Speaker 2: up in hip hop, you know, we used to always
Speaker 2: have this like mean bravado, nobody talked to nobody, everybody right,
Speaker 2: And so recently I started telling stories in the last
Speaker 2: couple of years and everybody's like, yo, why it's a
Speaker 2: great storyteller. But I always was this person. But unfortunately
Speaker 2: hip hop, what have you put on this facade to
Speaker 2: where you can't even show people your true personality? So
Speaker 2: I think that's what I that's what I think coincides
Speaker 2: is just I've always been this person since I was
Speaker 2: a kid, and the world's just getting there is getting
Speaker 2: revealed to the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you think that is? Why did why
Speaker 1: did you have to hide yourself? What was the reason
Speaker 1: for me?
Speaker 2: This hip hop was just really tough. Man. When I
Speaker 2: grew up, it was you know, we lost Biggie, we
Speaker 2: lost pot you know, uh, you were punk. If you
Speaker 2: had security, like you know, they wanted to see you
Speaker 2: go through it. Unfortunately, there was a big uh stigma
Speaker 2: and hip hop like if you didn't live it, then
Speaker 2: we didn't We didn't respect you. And so you had
Speaker 2: to live this thing out. And the last thing you
Speaker 2: want to show people is that you're cool, funny dude
Speaker 2: that gets along with everybody, actually loves everybody. So you
Speaker 2: you had to keep that tucked away just for your uh,
Speaker 2: your family and your friends.
Speaker 1: But even when you were younger, you were bullied, right,
Speaker 1: You went through bullying, and then I believe there were
Speaker 1: even and.
Speaker 2: I became a bully. So it's it's like, uh, you
Speaker 2: become a product of the product. And so you know,
Speaker 2: when I was young, I was getting bullied because you know,
Speaker 2: I've never been a punk. I've never been you know.
Speaker 2: So twenty guys confronted me. I fight all twenty of them.
Speaker 2: They beat, They'll beat the crap out of me. But
Speaker 2: I always was that.
Speaker 1: What were they bullying you for? At that time? Man?
Speaker 2: It was it was just too much. Like So, I
Speaker 2: grew up in the ninety percent black neighborhood. So the
Speaker 2: way they explain this to you is the only thing
Speaker 2: not black about me is my skin color. So my
Speaker 2: family were there forty years before me. So when they
Speaker 2: brought me home, it was like that was Joey. And
Speaker 2: so I grew up at that neighborhood my whole life,
Speaker 2: and so you know, that's how I grew up. And
Speaker 2: then I went to my grandmother's neighborhood. It's like ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent black. But they never seen a Latino like that,
Speaker 2: looking like the Beatles with blonde hair and green eyes
Speaker 2: and acting like and saying, you know, just coming like
Speaker 2: that was a problem, Like they had a real problem
Speaker 2: with that over there. They were like, yo, we're not
Speaker 2: going for that over here. But I am who I am.
Speaker 2: So I've always been me. I've always been true to
Speaker 2: who I am. So I had a lot of problems,
Speaker 2: you know. And so you know bullies, you know, when
Speaker 2: one gets away with it, you know, then then another
Speaker 2: guy tries it. It's not necessarily that they're tough. It's
Speaker 2: just to say, oh, they beat them up, Oh we
Speaker 2: could beat them up, and then you know, you're just
Speaker 2: the guy they beat up. And I kept telling them
Speaker 2: I'm not a punk. I kept telling them every time
Speaker 2: they beat me up. I was like, Yo, I'm not
Speaker 2: a punk. I'm letting y'all know. Y'all just got the
Speaker 2: numbers right now, you know. And so I used to
Speaker 2: get beat up for a lot of things. I used
Speaker 2: to lie a lot when I was a kid. So
Speaker 2: I would say stuff like yo, I was with that girl.
Speaker 2: Her brother would come with five guys and be like,
Speaker 2: oh you with my sister? Beat me up. So I remember,
Speaker 2: I had a time I had to look in the
Speaker 2: mirror when I was teenager and just be like, yo,
Speaker 2: you lie a lot. Oh you got to stop, like
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta keep it real because you
Speaker 2: get beat up because of this. So you know, life journey,
Speaker 2: it's a journey. This this the journey. Everything leads to
Speaker 2: the next chapter in life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing wherever you grow up, just how much
Speaker 1: bullying is the norm for kids. Like even where I
Speaker 1: grew up, I was bullied for the color of my
Speaker 1: skin because there weren't that many Indian people in the
Speaker 1: area that I grew up in. And I was bullied
Speaker 1: for my weight because I was overweight growing up, so
Speaker 1: I was bullied for that. It's amazing how like kids
Speaker 1: find a way to make other kids life hell. Even
Speaker 1: though we heard.
Speaker 2: What's crazy is not criticizing the youth of today. But
Speaker 2: when I see stuff like bullying and they you know,
Speaker 2: kids kill themselves and because they're getting body shamed or whatever,
Speaker 2: I just don't understand, Like, do you know what levels
Speaker 2: of bullying I've been through? And I never once thought
Speaker 2: of killing myself, never once, you know, I just knew
Speaker 2: it was something we had to work our way through.
Speaker 2: And so you know, I don't think there's never a
Speaker 2: time where you kill yourself. You know, I don't think
Speaker 2: there's never a time where you just say, yo, I
Speaker 2: want to kill myself. I don't know how that comes about.
Speaker 2: And so you know we're bullying. It was. You know,
Speaker 2: we've been getting bullied in the house, you know, from
Speaker 2: my father, from my family, from me. You know, we've
Speaker 2: been dealing with a lot of uh pressure and trauma.
Speaker 2: And you know, you know your father comes only lost
Speaker 2: all his money gambling drinking. He's gonna treat you like
Speaker 2: shit that day, you know what I'm saying. So but
Speaker 2: we don't know that, and so we had to work
Speaker 2: through all that. We have to learn all that. So
Speaker 2: now when I see uh my kids or other people's
Speaker 2: kids complaining about something, you know, I got beat up
Speaker 2: by twenty guys every single day for two years straight,
Speaker 2: so you know, and I never once went home and
Speaker 2: told my mother I can't do it, you know, so
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Why do you think
Speaker 1: that you had that tough skin, that resilience.
Speaker 2: Now it was hard, well it was hard, but you
Speaker 2: but you know something you had to deal with. You know,
Speaker 2: you have to go to school the next day, you
Speaker 2: had to go outside the next day. You have to
Speaker 2: like this where you at. You're in this environment, You're
Speaker 2: either going to be predator or prey. And so you know,
Speaker 2: I was always the loving, nice person I am. And
Speaker 2: then you know, my skin got thick. Then I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna be the the tough guy. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be the bully. I'm gonna show them I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna care. And then things changed, and thankfully hip hop
Speaker 2: came and saved my life.
Speaker 1: You said you had to in those early days make
Speaker 1: some life and death choices.
Speaker 2: Now I got shot at maybe thirty forty times in
Speaker 2: my life, and I know somebody like you or some
Speaker 2: of my friends, they can't even understand that, no for sure.
Speaker 2: And so you know, I tell people these stories now
Speaker 2: and now they think I'm just lying. I just make
Speaker 2: it up. But the truth is the truth. And so
Speaker 2: you could imagine I was one of the toughest kids
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. I was always into something, and I
Speaker 2: was very aggressive of getting money. You know, I'm very
Speaker 2: aggressive of getting money. I was in six states this
Speaker 2: week alone, So I'm like, you know, I've been like
Speaker 2: that since I was a kid. So you know, once
Speaker 2: in any neighborhood. You know, if you hear about dangerous places,
Speaker 2: it always has to do with money, or with drugs
Speaker 2: or with you know, and so that's why you say,
Speaker 2: you say, yo, that place is so safe. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know they killing people? Why the drug game to this?
Speaker 2: To that? So I've always was aggressive, you know, and
Speaker 2: once you show people you want money and you want
Speaker 2: you want bigger things and you're willing to do whatever for,
Speaker 2: it becomes more dangerous.
Speaker 1: You know, what were you doing for money at that time?
Speaker 2: Well? I was hustling, you know, I was. I was
Speaker 2: really I was no different than the movies. You see,
Speaker 2: like I was a guy. They were hired to go
Speaker 2: beat people up. Like that's how I started in the game.
Speaker 2: And so it'd be like, yo, Joe.
Speaker 1: How did they recruit you for something? Like what?
Speaker 2: I know that these guys are bad guys and you
Speaker 2: could pick them up. So you're drug kingpin. You're not
Speaker 2: necessarily tough like that. But you know, Fat Joey and them,
Speaker 2: they get busy no matter what. And so you know,
Speaker 2: you coming, you say, you're Fat Joey. You've got three
Speaker 2: pair of sneakers for you, you know, a jacket, you know,
Speaker 2: I need you go beat my competition up. So I
Speaker 2: would just jump out of van and you know, and
Speaker 2: just you know, apply to pressure.
Speaker 1: Were scared.
Speaker 2: No, that's one thing God never made me. Was scared
Speaker 2: of men. Right. I might be scared of a gun,
Speaker 2: I might be scared of a bazooka, but men, I've
Speaker 2: never been afraid of men, you know, physically, whether it
Speaker 2: was one twenty thirty forty or just never been afraid
Speaker 2: of men, you know, of violence or physical you know.
Speaker 2: Yet and still I ain't get grabbed by the cartel
Speaker 2: or some ship like that. You know, that's it. But
Speaker 2: I've never been afraid of men. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid of fly. So you know, every day I fly,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm the big I'm grabbing the old lady
Speaker 2: next to me. You know, I'm the guy I take
Speaker 2: all three air conditions. When when when I'm flying, I
Speaker 2: grab all the three and I got it on me
Speaker 2: and I'm breathing. I'm doing breathing exercises. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: terrified of flying. And I fly all the time. And
Speaker 2: I just tell God, I said, God, thank you for
Speaker 2: letting me face my fear. You know what I mean
Speaker 2: because I'm able to. You know, I don't think if
Speaker 2: I flew, I would be uh as successful as I
Speaker 2: am so and I love going places I love. I
Speaker 2: would love to go to India, Africa. This this that
Speaker 2: it just don't like the journey, the plane flight once
Speaker 2: this is it still still every day every every I fly,
Speaker 2: maybe every other day, and it could be the beg.
Speaker 2: I remember one time I get on the flight with
Speaker 2: Kalid and Calid got this plane, like you know, cald
Speaker 2: does everything another level, you know, so his private plane
Speaker 2: that was white, everything, the ceiling, the floors, the coucius,
Speaker 2: the ladies, the flight attendants. They were so polite. It
Speaker 2: was there was the best flight you could ever take.
Speaker 2: We went up, we felt a little. I was like
Speaker 2: it could have been it could have been American Airlines,
Speaker 2: it could have been any other plane. I was like,
Speaker 2: all the white, all the fancy food, everything went out
Speaker 2: the window. I was like terrified and something I can't get.
Speaker 1: Over with going back to that time that you're they're
Speaker 1: giving you a jacket, they giving you three pairs of
Speaker 1: sneakers and go and take care of this. How long
Speaker 1: does that continue for a man?
Speaker 2: That continues because I was, uh, we were really tough.
Speaker 2: I won't say just me, but we're really tough. And
Speaker 2: but I, like I said, I you know, when I
Speaker 2: grew up in the Bronx, it looked like bombs exploded
Speaker 2: in the Bronx. It looked like Ukraine, no exaggeration, look
Speaker 2: it up, seventies eighties in the Bronx. And so, but
Speaker 2: I always had a ambition to be successful, to have
Speaker 2: more on I remember talking to a friend of mine,
Speaker 2: his name was Louis. We was like twelve years old
Speaker 2: and I'm looking out that rubble and I'm saying, Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm not this ain't for me. I gotta get money.
Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta. I gotta give me a Mercedes Benz,
Speaker 2: I gotta give me a DA And he's like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? We've been so poor generational that
Speaker 2: he couldn't even fathom. You know, nobody in my family
Speaker 2: was rich like that or nothing like that. So he
Speaker 2: was like, what are you talking about? We straight this.
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, I gotta get it, you know.
Speaker 2: And and so it's almost like a movie that you know,
Speaker 2: you got these guys that you know, you just come
Speaker 2: pick up when it's time. And so I would go.
Speaker 2: And you know, for me, it was by any means
Speaker 2: necessary to get money, and so I would do whatever,
Speaker 2: but also knowing I want to be the kingpin, not
Speaker 2: the guy they come get to beat people up. And
Speaker 2: so one thing led to another and and you know,
Speaker 2: we became big boys in the street, you know before
Speaker 2: a rap. So hip hop saved my life, you know,
Speaker 2: changed my whole life like a Cinderella movie. Like it
Speaker 2: was like the minute I got my record deal, I
Speaker 2: never hustled again. I never dealt with crime, I never
Speaker 2: went back there. It was like a Cinderella Robin Hood.
Speaker 2: The minute that I got my deal, I was like, y'all,
Speaker 2: I don't want nothing to do with this. I walked
Speaker 2: away from it, started rapping, telling my story through music,
Speaker 2: and here we are. You know, I just knew when
Speaker 2: I got into hip hop and I got into the
Speaker 2: rap game, I said, all right, this is it, this
Speaker 2: is this, this is the way out. And you know,
Speaker 2: no difference and any other business. You know, at one
Speaker 2: time I had the number one record Flow Joe in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. It was it was the number one
Speaker 2: record in the country. I was getting five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: a show. So I was doing three shows at night.
Speaker 2: Do you know, you know, that wasn't no money, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But I had to do what
Speaker 2: I had to do to get my money, and so
Speaker 2: you know, so that wasn't even easy. So you now
Speaker 2: you in the game and you step in and it's
Speaker 2: almost like half the battle. And I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: how do we find the money in this business? Because
Speaker 2: at that time, it was no money in the business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, yeah, that's crazy to think
Speaker 1: that in what thirty years, it's changed so much financially.
Speaker 2: I think I don't want to say for a fact,
Speaker 2: but I think LOOKUJ was headlining arenas for like ten
Speaker 2: thousand a show. Wow, and this is Arenas, this is
Speaker 2: like Madison Square Garden and all that. So it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, it was the money wasn't there, So you know,
Speaker 2: back in the day is the only way to explain
Speaker 2: it to you. Back in the days, Magic Johnson was
Speaker 2: the first player to get a million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: He made the cover of Times magazine, he was in
Speaker 2: every matter. It was the biggest talk. Now you got
Speaker 2: the fifteenth guy on the bench making two hundred and
Speaker 2: forty million. The disparity is crazy. You see a rapper
Speaker 2: now or reggaetne artists or one of them now put
Speaker 2: out one hit and they're making four hundred thousand the
Speaker 2: show for one song, and you're like, Yo, this is
Speaker 2: craz I done, tore it. Forget a chitlin circuit. I
Speaker 2: don't went around the whole moon for five hundred dollars,
Speaker 2: you know, So you know it's a different time.
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Speaker 1: in the movie the streets always trying and come back
Speaker 1: for the person to try to move away. So when
Speaker 1: someone goes, I come done with this business. Now I'm
Speaker 1: going to a shadow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so with my life it was like that too,
Speaker 2: and I and I and I made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm more successful now than ever, but that's
Speaker 2: because I'm much more mature and so, you know, growing
Speaker 2: up in the ghetto, you have survivors guilt, and so
Speaker 2: me and my community, you know, took care me. The
Speaker 2: only reason why I'm still here is because of them.
Speaker 2: So I had a big obligation to try to bring
Speaker 2: everybody with me. You know, I got rich young, and
Speaker 2: I would have fifty guys with me every time. I
Speaker 2: would literally come to your interview right now with fifty guys,
Speaker 2: fifty trucks, fifty cars. That means fifty stakes, fifty champagne bottles,
Speaker 2: fifty hotel rooms, fifty plane tickets. This you know, every day,
Speaker 2: how do you afford that you don't? And so what
Speaker 2: happens is, uh, you know, when you when you're young,
Speaker 2: if you look at the cartoons, they're telling kids a
Speaker 2: million dollars. That's almost like you could capture a cloud, right,
Speaker 2: like like a million dollars is like you could take
Speaker 2: a cloud and put it in a bottle a million dollars,
Speaker 2: and then when you get a million dollarge, you think
Speaker 2: it's like this can't run out, but it runs out.
Speaker 2: And so for me, I remember going broke about three
Speaker 2: times in my life, like literally broke, being like a
Speaker 2: number one rapper, number one on the head. Everybody's what,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, and I'm just doing foolish things and
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to take the whole neighborhood with me.
Speaker 2: And I remember that one time I tell this famous story,
Speaker 2: but I'll tell it to your audience. I remember one
Speaker 2: time I couldn't sleep, and now I know when I
Speaker 2: can't sleep, God has given me a message. So that's
Speaker 2: that's a fact. Like that that that when I I
Speaker 2: could sleep all the time, right, but when I can't sleep,
Speaker 2: there's something that I gotta figure out, dissect or whatever
Speaker 2: God is telling me. Yo, hold up, figure this out,
Speaker 2: you know, because us, you know, we in the public life,
Speaker 2: we gotta watch what we say. We gotta do. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a very you know, I don't get high, I
Speaker 2: don't use I don't. Everybody, I encourage you to smoke weed.
Speaker 2: If you want cannabis, you could drink whatever. I don't.
Speaker 2: And in my life, with everything that's been thrown at me,
Speaker 2: it's almost like the matrix. If I got high, i'd
Speaker 2: have been out of here a long time ago. Did it?
Speaker 2: No Wow. So the way this thing comes to me
Speaker 2: is like, you know, he throw so much things at you,
Speaker 2: whether it's family, whether it's business, whether it's this, whether
Speaker 2: it's that, it's this. To be successful in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four is like the matrix. You know you're doing this.
Speaker 2: It's like who dodged that one? What about this one?
Speaker 2: What about that? Magine I'm high, I'm over here like
Speaker 2: this doped up? I'm done right? And so that was
Speaker 2: back in the early days. The reason why I never
Speaker 2: got high was because I had so much violence and
Speaker 2: beef whatever guys that you know, I just I knew
Speaker 2: they were gonna kill me or some like if I
Speaker 2: was standing on the corner hin smoked out or something.
Speaker 2: I was done. And the thing is, nobody has a
Speaker 2: PhD or masters in hip hop music. It's actually whose
Speaker 2: crew is toughest. So every rapper you meet, they'll come
Speaker 2: up and be like, Yo, Hi, let's just say I'm
Speaker 2: fabulous yo. This my man just came on for twenty years.
Speaker 2: He did three murder this this to' oh how you
Speaker 2: doing yo? This is Jada kiss yo? What's up? Jadakiss yo?
Speaker 2: This is my man Johnny the button just came on
Speaker 2: for twenty five years for killing five people. This thing,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it is. And so I don't
Speaker 2: get we gotta do it with Drake. We could do
Speaker 2: it with all of them, right, and so you don't
Speaker 2: need a PhD on Masters to get a hip hop.
Speaker 2: So I'm leaving the streets trying to come in here
Speaker 2: to change my life. And then when I come in
Speaker 2: here to change my life, I realize the streets come back,
Speaker 2: the shadows, you know, And then everybody want to know,
Speaker 2: are you really tough? Are you really that guy? Fat Joe?
Speaker 2: Do you talk loud? Do you just like prove to
Speaker 2: us that you really get busy? And so the streets
Speaker 2: is always with you, you know. Now it's more like you know,
Speaker 2: now we totally you know, talk to my secure to
Speaker 2: argue with my security. He's an ex cop, deal with him. Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even stuff doesn't even bother
Speaker 2: me no more. So you got to get to that
Speaker 2: place spiritually. You got to get to that place where
Speaker 2: you feel like, you know what your job is in life,
Speaker 2: you know what you're trying to do. You want to
Speaker 2: live righteous, you want to help the people, you want
Speaker 2: to help your family. But all that outside noise doesn't
Speaker 2: even bother me no more. You know. I've had some
Speaker 2: of my friends that I have for years go on
Speaker 2: youtubes and blogs and talk bad about me and this
Speaker 2: and this. I'd be like, oh, him too, Like it's
Speaker 2: like it just it just rubs off me. Now it's
Speaker 2: not doesn't even affect me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were younger, one of the things that
Speaker 1: did affect you, I believe was your oh, brother, you're
Speaker 1: realizing that you weren't biologically family.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't my problem. It was like we grew
Speaker 2: up together. So I have two brothers and the sister,
Speaker 2: and I grew up my father came from Cuba, and
Speaker 2: my father got with my my mom's after she had
Speaker 2: a husband and had three kids. So I'm the last kid.
Speaker 2: But he raised my brothers and sisters, and we were
Speaker 2: raised as brothers and sisters to this day. Brother, not half.
Speaker 2: We never heard the word half. We had a brother.
Speaker 2: So me and my brother, we were, you know, partners
Speaker 2: in the streets, right, So you know, me and my
Speaker 2: brother and you. And then my other brother, Raymond, was
Speaker 2: supposed to be a lawyer or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: He was going to school for that. And then when
Speaker 2: we was hustling, we had a choice to make right.
Speaker 2: And so the choice to make was that we had
Speaker 2: made all this money, we still lived in the projects, Like,
Speaker 2: we had tons of money in the closet right in
Speaker 2: the in afforded affordable housing projects. So we had to
Speaker 2: see where we were going to put the money at.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that small? An't we was sophisticated. We didn't know
Speaker 2: about buying businesses. We didn't have accountants, We ain't have nothing.
Speaker 2: The most we had was cars and jury and and
Speaker 2: so my one brother said, y'all leave the money with me.
Speaker 2: And I said, and I ain't think nothing of he's
Speaker 2: my brother. I told my brother Andre, I said, why
Speaker 2: don't we leave half the money with him? And you
Speaker 2: go to Orlando to my aunt who's like ninety years old.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't even know she had millions of dollars in
Speaker 2: her attic right, and I said, split it up. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't want all your eggs not saying it this.
Speaker 2: And so my brother, my other brother, turned around and
Speaker 2: told my brother, why are we even talking in front
Speaker 2: of Joey? He's our half brother. And that devastated me
Speaker 2: that the tears just can't. I never heard that before.
Speaker 2: So my brother Andrew argue with him, was like, you're crazy.
Speaker 2: Joey's my brother. You know. The irony to that story
Speaker 2: is that day, it was Thanksgiving the whole family. You know,
Speaker 2: we never had much or whatever, but we always have
Speaker 2: was love and family to this day. So I got
Speaker 2: in the car. I had a Mustang five point on
Speaker 2: at that time, I went to h it'send the book Jose.
Speaker 2: I went to a place in the bronx Court City
Speaker 2: Island to it. It's one way in, one way out,
Speaker 2: and so I was just driving like one hundred miles
Speaker 2: per hour, and I was I just felt like I
Speaker 2: was going to run into a wall or something. And
Speaker 2: then at the last minute, you know, I spun out.
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking the killing myself. I spun out,
Speaker 2: you know, except that then I went and ate me
Speaker 2: a nice steak. You ever ate at the Seville Rich
Speaker 2: there was a Oh my god, they had the best
Speaker 2: steaks with the fast onions. Now I had the best
Speaker 2: meal that night, right old school joint man. And so
Speaker 2: eventually I wrote it in the book, but didn't really
Speaker 2: actually say it that my brother the FEDS came and
Speaker 2: locked everybody up, like forty of us, not me. I
Speaker 2: was rapping the ready. Thank god, rap saved my life.
Speaker 2: But when they did that, my brother was on the runner.
Speaker 2: He was calling my other brother, YO, send me money.
Speaker 2: He was in like Dominican Republican and my brother went
Speaker 2: and respond. So my brother flies back and the brother
Speaker 2: who called me to have brother spent the millions of
Speaker 2: dollars we didn't know. So he came and said, Yo,
Speaker 2: what's up. I'm on the run. I need the money.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yo, I spent the money. We like
Speaker 2: you spent the money millions of dollars. Like you spent
Speaker 2: the money. And it wasn't like lavish. You ain't see no
Speaker 2: Lamborghinea out there or nothing like. It's like how you
Speaker 2: spent the money. And so the concept of us growing
Speaker 2: up was always if my brother had it, I had it.
Speaker 2: So my brother was the boss. I made some dollars,
Speaker 2: but he made the real money. But I knew if
Speaker 2: my brother had it, I had it. It's the same
Speaker 2: concept we have with terror Squad today. If Joe got it,
Speaker 2: you got it. You can't take advantage of it. Well,
Speaker 2: he'll help you at any given time. You know, if
Speaker 2: I got it, you got it. And so my brother
Speaker 2: stole the money. I never talked to him for twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty years. I never talked to him again because
Speaker 2: my brother not only did he steal the money, my
Speaker 2: other brother, ain't you started using drugs because he went
Speaker 2: from being rich to being broke. And I used to
Speaker 2: tell them all the time, your age, I'm rapping, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take care of us. Don't worry. I got us.
Speaker 2: But he just fell in deep depression and started using
Speaker 2: drugs and using drugs. And you know, to this day,
Speaker 2: my brother he'll be looking around the room and he
Speaker 2: was like, I used to have money. I used to
Speaker 2: have it. You know, these people kill themselves in Wall Street.
Speaker 2: They jump off the roof, they jump off of bridges,
Speaker 2: they hang themselves when they lose all their money. When
Speaker 2: you used to that type of money, millions of dollars,
Speaker 2: you know, your own brother, your own blood steals that
Speaker 2: from you. So he had a lot to deal with
Speaker 2: and I kept putting them in drug programs. I kept
Speaker 2: begging them like, June, come on, I'm good, Like, come on,
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna be good. But he couldn't get
Speaker 2: over that. Even to this day. But he's not using
Speaker 2: drugs no more, thank God. But you know, if I
Speaker 2: had him, you know, mind sound. You know, he's smarter
Speaker 2: than me. So if I had him with me through
Speaker 2: my whole career, through my whole you know, we would
Speaker 2: have been better off than we are now, you know,
Speaker 2: because he was really the leader, he was really the
Speaker 2: smart one and so but he couldn't snap himself out
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how hard is that watching someone you love, someone
Speaker 1: that you try, someone that you know could have been
Speaker 1: this and had this potential, and then not seeing them
Speaker 1: be there with you through it? Well, how do you
Speaker 1: deal with that?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, my best friend on earth is in jail.
Speaker 2: He's doing forty eight years and he's been in jail
Speaker 2: for thirty three years. And I often think about, like tonight,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna nick game. I know for a fact they're
Speaker 2: gonna put me on TV. God bless him on court side,
Speaker 2: sitting next to Spike Lee High five and Spike Lee.
Speaker 2: My brother got to see that in jail and the Feds.
Speaker 2: But how do you think he feel that he's in
Speaker 2: jail my best friend, and he knows that if he
Speaker 2: comes out, Fat Joe got him. He's right here with
Speaker 2: Jay Shetty. He's driving the best car, he's living the
Speaker 2: best life. That's what you call suffering when you can't
Speaker 2: do nothing for it. And the same thing with my brother.
Speaker 2: You know what, you know, my brother had a chance,
Speaker 2: you know. And so what I can tell you is
Speaker 2: that drugs is an illness. It's highly addictive. That's why
Speaker 2: I never tried it, because I might like it, And
Speaker 2: so that's why I've always stayed away from drugs. I
Speaker 2: looked at my brother and said, damn man, he's smarter
Speaker 2: than me. He could have been way more than me.
Speaker 2: And you know he couldn't shake the drugs. I don't
Speaker 2: even want to try that. You know I had. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you a story for your audience. I had a
Speaker 2: girl I used to chase for maybe ten years. I
Speaker 2: used to chase this girl, Hey, what's up yo, yo?
Speaker 2: Beautiful girl? Right? And one day. She said, tonight's your
Speaker 2: night and I said, oh, wow, really I'm going to
Speaker 2: get it. Like you know y'all've been after even Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but you know, Joe, I know you don't use drugs,
Speaker 2: but tonight, to make it special, we're gonna take these
Speaker 2: pills together. And I said, huh. She was like, we're
Speaker 2: gonna take this choir. I said, I'm not taking them pills.
Speaker 2: She was like, no, but this is gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2: This is that you don't understand sex with these pills,
Speaker 2: I said. And I was after this girl, and I
Speaker 2: was like, you ain't getting me to take the pills.
Speaker 2: And so nothing happened. Nothing happened.
Speaker 1: Brother, she must have felt that rejection.
Speaker 2: I don't care about rejection. It's just I know, you
Speaker 2: know too many stories.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Uh, good friend of mine not to put his business
Speaker 2: out there, but he talks about it. Scott Storch one
Speaker 2: of the most talented people in the world. Like I
Speaker 2: owe him a lot of my career to Scott Storch.
Speaker 2: But he tried at one time and that was it. Wow,
Speaker 2: he tried. He was with two girls, real famous girls.
Speaker 2: If you know the real story. The best, the best
Speaker 2: movie ever made that hasn't been made as the Scott's
Speaker 2: short story. If he lays the goods out is, you know,
Speaker 2: we need Leonardo DiCaprio to play him like this, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be one. But you know, he had two
Speaker 2: famous girls and they were like, yo, you want to
Speaker 2: be with us, you got to sniff this cocaine off
Speaker 2: of you know, And he did it. He said that.
Speaker 2: He literally told me the minute he sniffed it, he
Speaker 2: was like euphoria, like this is the game, you know,
Speaker 2: this whole life up messing with that. Now he's doing better,
Speaker 2: but uh, you know he ran through like ninety million
Speaker 2: dollars getting high.
Speaker 1: You know, well, yeah, because he was the guy then.
Speaker 1: I remember he was producing for everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like eighty five percent and number one songs of
Speaker 2: one year, Yeah, Beyonce, fat Yo fifty, he was Sean Paul,
Speaker 2: This everything was him, yeah remember, and so, uh, you
Speaker 2: know he took a hard fall. You know, I love
Speaker 2: Scott Man. I wouldn't be where I'm at if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for Scott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's and and that's the hard part, right.
Speaker 2: That's right with him. I try to get jokes. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm you know in many places. I'm considered the fun killer,
Speaker 2: you know, because I were coming they can't get high.
Speaker 2: Scott Storch, I'll tell you he used to sniff kilos
Speaker 2: of cocaine, but around me, he never sniffed cocain his life.
Speaker 2: He had that level of respect. So I would go
Speaker 2: to his I would go there every day and just
Speaker 2: sit there like a thrown on his side, you know,
Speaker 2: for months, and just be like, you know, making sure
Speaker 2: he don't get high. They said the minute I walked
Speaker 2: out the door, and they were like, bring it out right.
Speaker 2: They hated me in the place, but you know, I tried.
Speaker 1: You know well, I mean we're talking about losing people
Speaker 1: while they're still alive, and that is a real loss.
Speaker 1: And then you've lost people who have actually lost their life,
Speaker 1: who are no longer here. You've lost three, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've lost more than this, but three very
Speaker 1: significant people in your life. Can you tell us what
Speaker 1: was significant about the loss of each, because I feel
Speaker 1: like they're different, diferent types of losses, but they're all
Speaker 1: in the same year.
Speaker 2: First of all, the same like week, like yeah, two
Speaker 2: three weeks apart. Everything. I start with my sister. My
Speaker 2: sister was like my best friend. She was supposed to
Speaker 2: be the one to be there for me. You know,
Speaker 2: we love our wives and we want them to always
Speaker 2: be there. But one person I do know, you know, O. J.
Speaker 2: Simpson died, you know recently, and they said the only
Speaker 2: people who used to go see them every day was
Speaker 2: his sisters. You know, that's the you know, when the
Speaker 2: whole world turns off the lights on you, your sisters
Speaker 2: would be there for you. So I lost to I
Speaker 2: lost my sister. She was giving childbirth and so they
Speaker 2: gave an epidoro instead of numbing up from the waist
Speaker 2: down and number from the waist up. Lack of oxygen
Speaker 2: to the brain. So she was in a coma for
Speaker 2: eight months, and that was killing me to see my
Speaker 2: mother and father every day there and he was there,
Speaker 2: and that's horrible. I wish nobody gets to see someone
Speaker 2: they loved like that. And when I got the call
Speaker 2: she died, it was almost a relief. And I don't
Speaker 2: want to say I'm happy my sister died, because that's
Speaker 2: not true. But she was suffering too much. And so
Speaker 2: my sister passes away, right, So that's the number one. Right.
Speaker 2: I used to think this guy was the number one
Speaker 2: because I love him so much. But really, over the years,
Speaker 2: really analyzing it, my sister really knocked me out the
Speaker 2: box right, just to not have her in this world.
Speaker 2: Then one of my best friends, you know, my artists,
Speaker 2: when you know, one of the most loyal guys is
Speaker 2: Big Pun. You know, we made history together and together,
Speaker 2: you know, being Latino in this music business, you know
Speaker 2: that we stood for so much, you know, and even
Speaker 2: though I was on before him and I was on
Speaker 2: my way to success, I took the back road for
Speaker 2: him because I knew he was so much more talented
Speaker 2: and I knew we need a guy like that. Years later,
Speaker 2: now thirty twenty years later, we still hear his music
Speaker 2: and feel that pride. I knew that at the time,
Speaker 2: and so he passed away young around the same time
Speaker 2: as my sister, maybe a week two weeks apart. Now
Speaker 2: I'm young, I'm twenty seven, twenty eight, acting like I
Speaker 2: know about the world, but I'm still really really young,
Speaker 2: and so you know how scared it is to lose
Speaker 2: a best friend, franchise player. You know, here you went
Speaker 2: from being this broke kid living in this danger zone
Speaker 2: into you know, being successful, being rich, and now the
Speaker 2: guy you did it with his dad at twenty seven,
Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. And then my grandfather, you know,
Speaker 2: and I analyzing my family treat I'm more like my
Speaker 2: grandfather than anybody, you know. I used to call him Cowboy.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of respect in the hood. So
Speaker 2: my grandfather died, so all that together just through it
Speaker 2: was like a perfect storm, you know. And I never
Speaker 2: dealt with so much death like that, And so, you know,
Speaker 2: I was really in a dark place. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about a regular dark place, you know, sleeping in the
Speaker 2: bathtub with no water running. If I looked outside and
Speaker 2: there was sunny, it looked dark. You know, if someone
Speaker 2: shoots you. I tell people all the time, you in
Speaker 2: a gang. Tell you in a gang in Chicago and
Speaker 2: they're trying to kill you. You do know, you can
Speaker 2: move to Alabama and no one will know you. You
Speaker 2: couldn't move to la You could move to New York.
Speaker 2: You could move anywhere and they won't know you. The
Speaker 2: problem with depression is it comes with you wherever you go.
Speaker 2: So at the time I'm in depression, I'm going to Miami,
Speaker 2: I'm going to Islands. I'm going to try to erase it.
Speaker 2: But I can't. It's with me everywhere I go. And now,
Speaker 2: you know, when people say let them mourn, that means
Speaker 2: like give them time, let them get their things together,
Speaker 2: their bearings together. But when your best friend who just
Speaker 2: died is the biggest rap star in the world, people
Speaker 2: think they're doing a good thing, a good deed. So
Speaker 2: they bring you your food. Yoh, sorry about your brother,
Speaker 2: big pun man, Yo, that was my man once again.
Speaker 2: It's back. Yeah. And then I'm in the car. I'm
Speaker 2: in a car waiting at the light. The next door,
Speaker 2: y'all pun he was the man they started blasting. So
Speaker 2: it was so hard, right, and I considered it myself
Speaker 2: to be a bright person. And so it's the only
Speaker 2: way to put it is like the mind is like
Speaker 2: a super complex Rubik's Q, and you just gotta And
Speaker 2: so I never thought of I'm gonna kill myself this.
Speaker 2: I just was like, Joe, you gotta get out of this.
Speaker 2: You gotta get out of this. It's like a funk
Speaker 2: and you wake up and it's a new day. Instead
Speaker 2: of just saying it's a new day, you know, you
Speaker 2: go back to oh, you know this, and then it's
Speaker 2: so I went to therapy is.
Speaker 1: That the first time you started going to say that's.
Speaker 2: The only time I went to therapy. But I went
Speaker 2: to therapy for like two years. I didn't tell nobody,
Speaker 2: and this lady, this woman really really helped me out.
Speaker 2: And her strategy, I guess therapists are all different. Her
Speaker 2: strategy is you figure it out for you, like you'll
Speaker 2: tell me about you, and then you just go there
Speaker 2: all the time and you tell her about you, and
Speaker 2: then you figure it out. You'll figure out what happened.
Speaker 2: And the one thing that happened to me was, Uh,
Speaker 2: we would do this muror in the South Bronx for
Speaker 2: Big Punt. So you know, I started out a graffiti
Speaker 2: artist and shout out the tax crew. So every year
Speaker 2: they were doing new they would change the mural for
Speaker 2: punt rest in peace punt. So I'm out there, it's
Speaker 2: two years has gone by. Two dudes walk by. I
Speaker 2: always say, I owe these guys so much money. And
Speaker 2: one dude was like, yo, what they doing. He wasn't
Speaker 2: from the neighborhood. He was like, oh, that's a big
Speaker 2: pun boy. They changed it every year, he said, they
Speaker 2: change it every year. It's been that long. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's been two years, and I swear to God in
Speaker 2: my brain all I heard was two years, two years,
Speaker 2: two years, two years, two years, two years. And then
Speaker 2: something in my mind told myself, like your joke, you've
Speaker 2: been beating yourself up for two years. You got to
Speaker 2: snap out of it. That same night, boom, I was
Speaker 2: back to the way I am. Now.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, just.
Speaker 2: Two years, Joe, you try to kill yourself. For two years,
Speaker 2: you've been beating yourself up. Maybe you could have did so,
Speaker 2: maybe he could have lost weight, Maybe you could have
Speaker 2: helped your sister. Maybe you could have you know, And
Speaker 2: so you go over beating yourself up. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's finally was done. Two years and I run away
Speaker 2: from dark thoughts and depression. Like now, I don't even
Speaker 2: get in the area. If I ever feel something like that,
Speaker 2: I'm running the other way. See people walk to it
Speaker 2: for some reason, you know, But me, I run away
Speaker 2: from from any type of dark times, any type of
Speaker 2: dark moments. I move on.
Speaker 1: Your sister, if she could talk to you today, what
Speaker 1: do you think she'd say?
Speaker 2: She'd be proud, but she also was very supportive and simple.
Speaker 2: But you know she you know, she knew her brother
Speaker 2: had a bat. She'd call me anytime or the day,
Speaker 2: anytime or the day. You know, bro, I need money,
Speaker 2: that car be outside. I windn'tow in five minutes, Like, yo,
Speaker 2: come down here you go, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So she know I always had a bat, you know,
Speaker 2: she she the only thing I would say. The only
Speaker 2: regret my sister had with me is I used to
Speaker 2: beat up her boyfriends. And so that was like a
Speaker 2: major problem. Like for real though, if a guy came
Speaker 2: to visit my sister, I would sitting there with a
Speaker 2: baseball bat while he's sitting on the couch with her
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at him.
Speaker 1: And she always hated me for that.
Speaker 2: You know. You know, I'm just telling you what she
Speaker 2: you know, she wasn't feeling me on that tip. I'd
Speaker 2: be like, you know, yo, you ain't gonna do that
Speaker 2: to my sister.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, is that your younger sister? She
Speaker 1: was old, she was.
Speaker 2: Older, but I was always you know, I'm young, but
Speaker 2: you know I'm the the baby of the family, say,
Speaker 2: but always the leader. I don't know, It's just that
Speaker 2: was me.
Speaker 1: I have a younger sister. I'm very protective as well,
Speaker 1: and I could I could relate to what you were
Speaker 1: saying about the love that you have for your sister.
Speaker 2: That kind of different. Yes, the brother sister love is
Speaker 2: a whole different because she really got your back. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 2: she got your back.
Speaker 1: I can do nothing wrong in my sister's eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got your back. So when it's all said
Speaker 2: and done, you know, God forbid. Hopefully you live with
Speaker 2: your wife till you die together. But if you know,
Speaker 2: you ever go through something with your wife or something
Speaker 2: like that, the one woman that is going to hold
Speaker 2: you down is your sister.
Speaker 1: And what about Big Pun? If he was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know Big Pun, and you know
Speaker 2: he was so good, like he was like he was
Speaker 2: like a freaking nature bro. He was a genius, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I know, I try to impress
Speaker 2: him with moves I'm making musically. You know, I've always
Speaker 2: been a real man. I always been a lawyer man.
Speaker 2: I always stuck to the code no matter what, you know,
Speaker 2: I never let the you know, Punk has this famous
Speaker 2: line in the record where he says, you know, I
Speaker 2: never I weigh the crown and never let it touch
Speaker 2: the ground. So we never let the crown touch the ground.
Speaker 2: You know, we always kept that same you know, you know,
Speaker 2: but uh, I can't tell you because he was so
Speaker 2: much better than me. He was just like light years
Speaker 2: better than me. So he really actually taught me how
Speaker 2: to make hits. Even though I discovered him. We would
Speaker 2: sitting there, so he would screaming at me like, yo,
Speaker 2: you're limited, you're limited, keep thinking. Switch it up at
Speaker 2: the end. This like he was just so great that
Speaker 2: you know, he's like it was like I'm coming up
Speaker 2: and he's a Shakespeare or something like he was literally
Speaker 2: and he would be like, no, you got to do
Speaker 2: it like this, No, like that. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, I've had some an thumbs, I've had hits.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was too big pun standards.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you he was. He was. He was sleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had that thing.
Speaker 2: What is in KNARCOLEPSI or something, right, He would fall
Speaker 2: asleep right on you. Right, there's a true story. He
Speaker 2: would wake up and be like aass me the book.
Speaker 2: He would have a whole song. He would write it
Speaker 2: in his sleep. He would have a whole song to
Speaker 2: start writing it. Yeah right, I mean this guy was.
Speaker 2: It was phenomenal from the first time I ever heard
Speaker 2: of my new Like, this guy's like the greatest, he's
Speaker 2: the best, Like it was another level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you it was. I remember when we
Speaker 1: were coming up listening to you. It was because of
Speaker 1: you that we got introduced to Big Pun. That's how
Speaker 1: we Yeah, he was like, yeah, is that we even
Speaker 1: discovered who he was because we were aware I was.
Speaker 2: A big punt in London. He was on fire out there.
Speaker 1: Because of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: That was the entry point for all of us that
Speaker 1: that's how we discovered his music. But it was for
Speaker 1: the people who were like listening, like it was for
Speaker 1: a real listener. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't for the
Speaker 1: master lyrics.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's for someone who was actually listening and was
Speaker 1: trying to understand that.
Speaker 2: You know, beautiful time. I think my best time at
Speaker 2: in hip hop music, you know what I mean, just
Speaker 2: growing together, becoming the first UH soloist Latino to win
Speaker 2: UH to sell two million records back in them days.
Speaker 2: You know, you have to go buy them records in
Speaker 2: the snowstorm. You know, it was physical, it wasn't just streaming,
Speaker 2: and so we were so proud of him and and
Speaker 2: you know, he died so young. So that was that
Speaker 2: that really devastated me to this day. You know, the
Speaker 2: way the crew works is, uh, he's everywhere. So if
Speaker 2: you go in my house, you see Big Punt. You
Speaker 2: going my businesses, you see Big Pun. You go in
Speaker 2: any one of the crew members' houses, Big Pun is up.
Speaker 2: You know we we we never forgot them. You know
Speaker 2: what's crazy is I throw this up. I'm gonna invite
Speaker 2: you this year. I throw a birthday party every year
Speaker 2: at forget about it. Whoever you think of is in
Speaker 2: there right every year. We have fun. So if you
Speaker 2: don't dance, you're not invited. We are, but you gotta dance, brother,
Speaker 2: that's gotta dance. It's so and so one year a
Speaker 2: reporter snuck in the party. We didn't even know. And
Speaker 2: so the reporter wrote for the for the post, I believe,
Speaker 2: she wrote, I was in the party. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: This one and that one was there. This she said.
Speaker 2: They kept mentioning Big Pun every thirty seconds, like he
Speaker 2: was alive at the party. And so I think you
Speaker 2: would be proud of that that we make sure that
Speaker 2: you know, we represent them at the highest standard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, as a rap guard because that's what he is.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. And I'm waiting for my Terrot Squad chain
Speaker 1: as well, and the two things I wanted as a kid.
Speaker 2: That's an expensive that's an expensive everybody. Everybody was waiting
Speaker 2: on that Terrace Squad train.
Speaker 1: You know you you made us one of his kids.
Speaker 1: That's just deal.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I remember one day I had to give my chain
Speaker 2: the drake off my neck like I had it on
Speaker 2: my neck, and he was like, yo, man, I always
Speaker 2: wanted that. You know, this is I was like, man,
Speaker 2: here you go, but that's expensive.
Speaker 1: That's a heavy thing to give.
Speaker 2: Oh that's expensive. Just uh, you know everybody. You imagine
Speaker 2: how rich everybody wants a Terrace Squad chain.
Speaker 1: We used to go get the cubics of CONEA one
Speaker 1: and down the road DJ Cubics and.
Speaker 2: People I really love it. They'd be like, yo, I
Speaker 2: need that chain. I'm like, sheesh, man, you know what
Speaker 2: these change costs?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's beautiful, man, have some you know. Terraorce
Speaker 2: Squad started out as a graffiti crew. The guys who
Speaker 2: started it passed away, but before they they got off graffiti,
Speaker 2: they gave it to me. I never forget. I was
Speaker 2: in the back of my projects. I was maybe like
Speaker 2: thirteen years old, and I remember I made a pledge
Speaker 2: this is gonna I didn't know it was gonna be music,
Speaker 2: but it was Terror Squad is going to be the
Speaker 2: biggest crew you ever seen in your life. And then
Speaker 2: I had my sister and our friends was like Terror
Speaker 2: Squad ladies. And you know, we did this our whole life,
Speaker 2: you know. And I hope when I'm gone it'll stick
Speaker 2: around with all our family members and all our friends.
Speaker 2: You know. It means a lot to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing to see you. So, you know, having
Speaker 1: gone through so much trauma, loss, and I think people
Speaker 1: underestimate how what you said, that journey of when you're
Speaker 1: from the streets and then you suddenly get a million
Speaker 1: dollars through a talent that you have and then it's
Speaker 1: like you don't know what to.
Speaker 2: Do with it. You don't know how it works, what
Speaker 2: to do it. You mean that we need financial literacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, financial you know what to do even today, even
Speaker 1: today like now when influences TikTok Instagram, like people are
Speaker 1: coming into wealth so early in their life without what they.
Speaker 2: Say, So that's a great question. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's a.
Speaker 1: Question is I don't know questions. I was just framing it.
Speaker 2: Who are we? This is the problem, it's a fat
Speaker 2: Joe is always open for advice young artists. You know
Speaker 2: you do it all the time. You can still do it.
Speaker 2: You can hit me in the d M. I'll talk
Speaker 2: to you. I'll give you advice. My advice is free
Speaker 2: all the time. But who are we to tell a
Speaker 2: young guy or young girl who had nothing in life?
Speaker 2: Let's take a sexy red? Who are who are we
Speaker 2: to tell a sexy red who came from nothing and
Speaker 2: now she's making millions of dollars and she's enjoying it
Speaker 2: with a friensis. Who are who are me to tell
Speaker 2: her that she's wrong? Who are we to tell her anything?
Speaker 2: She made it. It's a miracle. It's a miracle that
Speaker 2: she made it coming from where she's coming from. So
Speaker 2: I can't talk down on them or tell them, yo,
Speaker 2: don't do that or whatever. Now, if you want advice,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I did. And I blew a
Speaker 2: lot of money. You know, it's just now in life
Speaker 2: that I'm understanding, you know, investments and taking care of
Speaker 2: my money and taking care of my family on another level.
Speaker 2: And I still have a problem with Louis Vauton and
Speaker 2: Gucci and diamonds, and you know, I'm still attracted to
Speaker 2: the stuff, you know, but still in all you know,
Speaker 2: I look at all these young artists, I don't I
Speaker 2: can't tell them, you know now if they asked me, yo, gee,
Speaker 2: what you think I should do, and then I'll sit
Speaker 2: down and be like, yo, go buy a bunch of
Speaker 2: Subways franchise, Go buy some wingstops, Go buy some McDonald's.
Speaker 2: You know something that you because artists. The sad thing
Speaker 2: about hip hop is you could go from one day
Speaker 2: being the biggest artists in the world getting two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand the show, and four years later you're
Speaker 2: not hoting, You're getting fifteen thousand show. That's a big disparacy.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know why. I don't know why
Speaker 2: it's like that, why they don't value the artists where
Speaker 2: the money value stays up. But that's how it is
Speaker 2: in hip hop. That's just a reality. And so so
Speaker 2: many of us artists are driven off of our performance money.
Speaker 2: I will show our touring that when something goes wrong,
Speaker 2: like COVID. You in the house scared to death because
Speaker 2: you can't go out there and make the money. So
Speaker 2: you got to diversify. You gotta buy businesses, you got
Speaker 2: to investments, You gotta do different things so that money
Speaker 2: could come in through all different angles. And so that's
Speaker 2: something I learned at at older age. You know, invest
Speaker 2: in sneaker stores, invest in that, invest in this, invest
Speaker 2: in that, and so that way money comes in from
Speaker 2: all over.
Speaker 1: I think we have to learn from that hindsight because
Speaker 1: even for me, when I started out as a creator,
Speaker 1: I could see YouTubers who and YouTube's are the same, right,
Speaker 1: like one year it's amazing and then the next year
Speaker 1: it's not. And I saw so many people who came
Speaker 1: before me that were paying off their parents' mortgages one year,
Speaker 1: but then the next year they didn't have money to
Speaker 1: pay their own rent because it switches up so fast
Speaker 1: it is, and you just see that happening to people overnight,
Speaker 1: and it's painful because their intention was good. They were
Speaker 1: trying to take care of their family, but now it's
Speaker 1: that long term they've lost out. It doesn't work well.
Speaker 2: You know, we have a thing in Terre Squad. We
Speaker 2: always take care of him, and always take care of
Speaker 2: mothers and dad's. You know, if your mother and dad
Speaker 2: wasn't rich or didn't have to take care of you,
Speaker 2: we take care of them. And so it's a great
Speaker 2: honor to look at my brothers and know that each
Speaker 2: one of them take care of their mother, take care
Speaker 2: of their father, you know, because we at this age.
Speaker 2: You know, if we fifty years old, now you know
Speaker 2: they're eighty years old. So these times you gotta really
Speaker 2: look out for them. And so I love a person
Speaker 2: that actually takes care of their mother, takes care of
Speaker 2: their father. Now, if they're wealthy or they have money
Speaker 2: at the time, great, nothing wrong with that. But if
Speaker 2: they ain't got it, you know, I'm more afford taking.
Speaker 2: You know, I went through a tax problem one time.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really my fault, but I did. And the
Speaker 2: biggest thing I got scared of when they told me
Speaker 2: you didn't pay your mortgage is you didn't pay your
Speaker 2: car notes. You didn't this I had accountant. I'm sending
Speaker 2: them wire transfers and he's robbing me. He's not paying
Speaker 2: my bills. But my biggest fear at that moment was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, my mother's house. We didn't pay the
Speaker 2: mortgage for my mother's house. That would have been the
Speaker 2: worst thing that ever happened to me, for somebody to
Speaker 2: show up to my mother's house and throw out my
Speaker 2: mother and father. I cared about their house, and they
Speaker 2: live in a modest house. I care about their house
Speaker 2: more than mine. That's just it's just me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that like when it feels like everyone's like
Speaker 1: you're trying to take care of people with an accounting friend,
Speaker 1: people stealing from you.
Speaker 2: I mean that man, they stole from me a lot
Speaker 2: of times. But I realized is just not too many
Speaker 2: people can have access to money and not have the
Speaker 2: temptation of stealing. And so you learned, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a very trusting person. You know, I'm a very trusting person.
Speaker 2: So but you learn that these guys they can't handle that.
Speaker 2: And so catching your best friends stealing from you, catching managers,
Speaker 2: catching accounts. We just caught an accountant. Now we shoot
Speaker 2: them with millions of dollars and so now they got
Speaker 2: to pay back, you know, through the insurance or whatever
Speaker 2: the case may be. But we went through a lawsuit,
Speaker 2: forensic account these people, you bring them to your house
Speaker 2: like their family, you around their kids like and you know,
Speaker 2: and they and they're stealing your money and so and
Speaker 2: you're so busy working trying to get to money that
Speaker 2: you ain't busy watching. Oh I got five dollars deposited
Speaker 2: in the bank, I got this and this and that.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, uh, they pray on you
Speaker 2: when they figure out, oh, he ain't watching. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: everybody comes out in the in the wash, Well, don't
Speaker 2: come out in the rash, comes out in the rents.
Speaker 1: How hard is it to stay trusting and soft hearted
Speaker 1: and a good person when when.
Speaker 2: These things happen, that's just who I am.
Speaker 1: You're going to carry on being that way because that's
Speaker 1: who you want to be.
Speaker 2: That's who I am. A lot of times, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: people done stuff to me, not just still, but just
Speaker 2: where you know, me and my wife have discussions and
Speaker 2: she's like, yo, don't change you. Know. You are who
Speaker 2: you are. You can't let people change you because a
Speaker 2: lot of times we dread things and people do horrible
Speaker 2: stuff to us, and then you yourself could become that person,
Speaker 2: you know, and so we're not doing it. You know,
Speaker 2: I told you the story of I was bullied and
Speaker 2: then became the bully. And so we don't let people
Speaker 2: affect who are true morals and our true character is
Speaker 2: you know, it happens, hurts you move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, what what we often
Speaker 1: judging a person is who we become because you're thinking
Speaker 1: about that quality in them so much that all of
Speaker 1: a sudden that becomes your reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because you repeat that, you think like, yo, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: they did it to me, I'm gonna do it to
Speaker 2: somebody else. And it's just a cycle that you got
Speaker 2: to snap yourself out of, you know, and people you don't,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't, you don't think that that's cool
Speaker 2: because you've seen somebody do that. You know, you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta say this is this. But that's how the
Speaker 2: story to my life is all about taking the negative
Speaker 2: and turning it into a positive and stopping the years
Speaker 2: of being poor, not being successful, not going to another
Speaker 2: level of my family treat From here on, I want
Speaker 2: to pass it down to my sons, my daughters, my
Speaker 2: grandkids and how and give them that motivation to change
Speaker 2: that family tree because before me, everybody, you know, we
Speaker 2: hard workers, but they end up being you know, poor
Speaker 2: regular people, and so that's that's that's why I press on.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm in six cities and in one week.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, you know, it's not greed, it's
Speaker 2: just taking it to another level so that generations behind
Speaker 2: me could follow that example. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you I got money the last generations.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that I've given them that motivation where
Speaker 2: they can say, my grandfather, you know, my great grandfather,
Speaker 2: this guy he worked six days out the week. He
Speaker 2: flew like the fly, he flew he did, you know,
Speaker 2: just that, you know, to change the whole mindset of
Speaker 2: our family tree before me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's powerful and needed because I feel like
Speaker 1: if people are seeing, like even you at your career,
Speaker 1: at this stage, you're still working that hard. And that's
Speaker 1: why I see when I look at people in the
Speaker 1: industry that come on the show that have been famous
Speaker 1: for three decades, you know, making money for three decades,
Speaker 1: and they're still working harder today.
Speaker 2: You know, there was guys like that, oh what's my man?
Speaker 2: Richard Simmons, Richard Simmons. It was guys that I wish
Speaker 2: I knew their names that they used to have something
Speaker 2: called was it family squares or oh back in the days. Well,
Speaker 2: they would take these squares like it's like tic tac toe,
Speaker 2: and they don't have your celebrity that've been around for
Speaker 2: thirty years and the damn that's very famous in America,
Speaker 2: Like now we got hip hop squares, but Hollywood squares.
Speaker 2: So they would take Jay Shetty twenty years from now
Speaker 2: and you'll be up there answering the question of this.
Speaker 2: So they've been doing this a long time. You know,
Speaker 2: there's been celebrities that held one. You know, you'll always
Speaker 2: get a Danny DeVito Jersey Subs commercial or something like.
Speaker 2: These guys been sticking around a while. And so that's
Speaker 2: fat Joe. You know, I'm mady here. You know I
Speaker 2: want to stick around. You know, I want to bump
Speaker 2: into you in a red carpet. I wanted this, you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I mean talking you were talking
Speaker 1: about kid taking care of your parents. A big fut
Speaker 1: for you is it was taken care of, like you said,
Speaker 1: future generations. And I know that you are father to
Speaker 1: a child who has Down syndrome autism and as far
Speaker 1: as I know, at least at the time, you were
Speaker 1: a single parent for a while, or maybe even.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a kid, I was a kid. We was
Speaker 2: like nineteen, you know, so me and his mother was together.
Speaker 2: Then we broke up and there was this one rainy
Speaker 2: day she walked up. We had some like makeup sex.
Speaker 2: She comes back, she says she's pregnant. I tell I
Speaker 2: don't want to be with you, you know, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: this is my baby, this, this that. So thank god
Speaker 2: we didn't have an abortion. But Joey's born and it's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's born in the same hospital that my sister caught
Speaker 2: the coma in prong Lebanon Hospital. So if I get shot,
Speaker 2: I'm going to another hospital. I'm not going there, trust me.
Speaker 2: And so, uh, you know, the doctor comes and says, listen,
Speaker 2: we got bad news. I'll never forget that. And he
Speaker 2: sat me down at her and she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't raise this baby. We got to give him
Speaker 2: away for adoption. And then my mother and father just
Speaker 2: jumped in, right, I mean, it was like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: this is our baby. We're not doing that. And so
Speaker 2: we've had full custody since he was born. I got
Speaker 2: to thank my mother and my father for pretty much
Speaker 2: raising Joey. You know, he's he's their kid. You know,
Speaker 2: he's my kid, you know, but he's their kid. You know.
Speaker 2: My father to this day sleeps next to Joey, you know,
Speaker 2: in the same bed, you know. And now my father's older,
Speaker 2: and Joey watches him. So Joey, if my father sleeps
Speaker 2: too long, whatever, Joey's in his wheelchair, he's watching my father.
Speaker 2: He didn't want my office outside telling jokes. He's happy
Speaker 2: that he's telling jokes. You know. He's a very smart kid,
Speaker 2: and we just say he's our biggest blessing. I feel
Speaker 2: like if I would have abandoned Joey, I would have
Speaker 2: never had the success I have, you know. I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to deal with a special needs kid,
Speaker 2: but they bring so much joy to the world. And
Speaker 2: if you know me and you we get sad, we
Speaker 2: get happy. We're talking about depression. This guy is always happy,
Speaker 2: like he's in the state of happy. You know. Sure,
Speaker 2: we want to, you know, if he could have talked,
Speaker 2: if he could have walked, you know, but you know,
Speaker 2: like I tell you, part of my process of not
Speaker 2: being depressed, not being mad, not blaming God. Right, he
Speaker 2: is always saying the right dealing with this is what
Speaker 2: it is. We did it, and we got to look
Speaker 2: forward towards the positive. And so so ever, you know,
Speaker 2: blame God. I never blamed nobody. I just said, Yo,
Speaker 2: this is what it is. We love him, he's ours.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take care of him forever. We're gonna make
Speaker 2: sure he's great, he's loved, he's happy. And so that's
Speaker 2: how we deal with Joey. And another thing, I never,
Speaker 2: you know, blame God for anything. You know, I accept
Speaker 2: the good and the bad. You know, my belief and
Speaker 2: my faith in God is just is legendary, and I
Speaker 2: believe that all our blessings come from God. You know,
Speaker 2: that's my true belief in my heart. And so just
Speaker 2: let your audience know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's beautiful. I mean with Joey specifically, like
Speaker 1: what was the most challenging phase, And because I know
Speaker 1: you do a lot to say in power communities, raise
Speaker 1: awareness about this because of course.
Speaker 2: Man, it's hard, you know. And then going back to
Speaker 2: the hip hop ravotal being tough. So for many years
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let people see Joey or nothing like that
Speaker 2: because hip hop was so beef prob. You know, I
Speaker 2: never wanted nobody to disrespect my son and so but
Speaker 2: you know, we always you know, I had this loving relationship.
Speaker 2: You know. The bottom line is, you know, in life,
Speaker 2: whatever God throws at you, or whatever they throw at you,
Speaker 2: you gotta deal with it. You got to man up,
Speaker 2: you know. And I'm proud of the job we've done
Speaker 2: with Joey. He's just a beautiful kid, you know, and
Speaker 2: you know he knows he's the dawn. You know. When
Speaker 2: we go to dinner with my son and my daughter,
Speaker 2: you know, he sits at the corner of the table
Speaker 2: and looks at them like this my little brother, this
Speaker 2: my little sister. You know he knows that. So he's
Speaker 2: the biggest blessing.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, man. It sounds like you know, again I'm
Speaker 1: going back to what you said at the start of
Speaker 1: the interview, is that the guy who made the music,
Speaker 1: the fact Joe that make that music, is very different
Speaker 1: to the Joe that I'm sitting with. Twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: What are the biggest differences in what's love of lean
Speaker 1: back all the way out? Like, what's the difference between
Speaker 1: that and.
Speaker 2: All I can tell you is that with every one
Speaker 2: of those songs, you describe my backwards to the wall.
Speaker 2: I was fighting for my life. The only way I
Speaker 2: knew how to make it was through music, and so
Speaker 2: I channeled these energy and this music, and thank god,
Speaker 2: they became anthems and hits. But uh, you know, fat Joe,
Speaker 2: the person has always been different. You know, I've always
Speaker 2: been a family man. I've always been for my community.
Speaker 2: You know, before we had social media, before we had things.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been raising money for people. I've been
Speaker 2: giving back to my community, computers to schools, libraries, you know.
Speaker 2: I have a business in the Bronx Now was a
Speaker 2: sneakers called Sneaker store called up in y Cea. We
Speaker 2: have a school in the store where the kids come
Speaker 2: after school, they eat, they learn computers, they get mentored.
Speaker 2: They I mean, we don't stop. You know, just last
Speaker 2: week we gave to Haiti. Right Rich, My best friend
Speaker 2: Rich is Haitian. So the turmoil and everything that's going
Speaker 2: on in Haiti where kids aren't famine, you know, and
Speaker 2: for some reason, I feel like they don't get this awareness.
Speaker 2: I feel like they don't get this same love as
Speaker 2: anybody else. So we raised a bunch of food for
Speaker 2: Haiti and money, and so you know, we've been doing
Speaker 2: this when the cameras is off. Man. You know, I
Speaker 2: just feel so blessed that I'm able right now when
Speaker 2: I cut it with you if I want to eat
Speaker 2: a steak or lobsocky eat it, whatever I want, I
Speaker 2: to get it. I'm not feeling bad about that I
Speaker 2: worked for it, you know, but I do believe in Yo,
Speaker 2: what about dumb you know what I'm saying. What about
Speaker 2: taking care of the less fortunate? What about providing for
Speaker 2: the people. So we've been like this whatever, it's just
Speaker 2: now it's social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to be able to see it though,
Speaker 1: because I feel like, like we were talking about, there
Speaker 1: are so many dark moments in your life, but even
Speaker 1: see with you for a few moments, I'm like, you
Speaker 1: have a light energy about you right like as in you.
Speaker 2: Know, what's so crazy is there's this video going viral.
Speaker 2: I don't know why something here is going viral. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. You can't put a camera
Speaker 2: on fat Joe and it that just don't go viral.
Speaker 2: It's going There's no way around there. And so I
Speaker 2: didn't know. I said, it's going. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to tell you is something's gone right. And so I
Speaker 2: did an interview maybe a year ago, right, And I
Speaker 2: remember I was tired and the guy came up to me.
Speaker 2: I was at Vegas and I wanted to get some sleep.
Speaker 2: I flew and he's like, fat Joe man, I got
Speaker 2: a podcast. I want you to do it. And somehow
Speaker 2: I allowed them in my room, dead tired, and he
Speaker 2: interviewed me and I said, I told the story about
Speaker 2: one time when I was young. You know, when I
Speaker 2: was in high school, I robbed my whole gym class.
Speaker 2: So I stuck up the gym class. It's like seventy students.
Speaker 2: He says, without a gun. I said there, without a gun.
Speaker 2: You know, I robbed everybody. In fact, the guys that
Speaker 2: robbed helped me carry the jets and the walkman's and
Speaker 2: stuff outside school. I couldn't even carry. It was seventy,
Speaker 2: you know. But it was it was. It was it
Speaker 2: was power tripping. It was it was like see if
Speaker 2: I could do it right. But in any case, I
Speaker 2: told this story right, And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I don't know yesterday and today it's been virabl Mania
Speaker 2: like and everybody's like, oh, this guy's a liar, Like
Speaker 2: I can't be like, you know, it's that type of thing.
Speaker 2: But I looked at it, uh today this morning when
Speaker 2: I got in the car, and I said, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: You believe this guy who tells this story raises food
Speaker 2: and money for Haiti just last weekend and gets back
Speaker 2: to the community and this and that. It's just such
Speaker 2: a contradiction. And so UH Puerto Rico, we sent a
Speaker 2: million pounds of UH. We send a million pounds of
Speaker 2: women's hygiens food water when they had the hurricane, you know,
Speaker 2: it was four airplanes we sent them over there. Just
Speaker 2: last year, some Muslims from the Bronx UH seventeen of
Speaker 2: them died and the fire. We raised over two million
Speaker 2: dollars for them. And so we just constantly but you
Speaker 2: know me, it's like to the point out there, be careful,
Speaker 2: careful what you wish for, because soon as something happened,
Speaker 2: they knocking on that door and they're like yo, Joe,
Speaker 2: And I'm like a and I'm with you guys. What
Speaker 2: we're doing, man, How we're raising the money, How we
Speaker 2: gonna you know, how we're gonna make this happen. But
Speaker 2: I love that, you know. I tell you a story.
Speaker 2: One day, I'm driving by myself and I'm in the
Speaker 2: Rose Royce and I gotta get gas and I pull
Speaker 2: over in the Bronx. That's where I'm from. You let
Speaker 2: me telling. I'm the King of the Bronx. And so
Speaker 2: I go to the Bronx, I go to gas station.
Speaker 2: I go to the gas station to get me a water.
Speaker 2: When I'm coming out as a homeless guy there. Now,
Speaker 2: this guy ain't homeless by choice. He ain't one of
Speaker 2: these hoboes. He's homeless, you know all you want. He's
Speaker 2: a real man. What's in right? And so he comes
Speaker 2: fat Joe, and I said, could we curse on this? Yeah, Joe,
Speaker 2: and you fly mother for you? You fly mother? Right?
Speaker 2: He's dead homeless, Like he says, I don't want no money.
Speaker 2: I don't want no money. So I'm like, yo, what's up?
Speaker 2: He's like, I just want you to know a homeless
Speaker 2: man is the closest to the street. We know what
Speaker 2: you do out here for us, we know how you
Speaker 2: take care of us. Or I got so emotional that
Speaker 2: day driving home, I was like, well that's what it's
Speaker 2: about when you got a homeless dude talking about Yo.
Speaker 2: I don't want no money, but I know what you
Speaker 2: do for us. I know how you take care of us.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Wow, that's what it's all about. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, And that's I think doing good in silence
Speaker 1: is what real doing good is because you know, then
Speaker 1: you're really doing it for the people. Then you're really
Speaker 1: doing it for the people that you're serving.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends Muslim friends.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm Christian, right, but a lot of
Speaker 4: my best friends are Muslims and they're very successful, but
Speaker 4: they have big hearts and they give back so much.
Speaker 2: But and they never brag. They never say I gave this.
Speaker 2: I never gave that. I never gave this. You know,
Speaker 2: a whole different culture. And so you know, I've seen
Speaker 2: them the way they move. You know, I love how
Speaker 2: they move with how they give back to their community,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're not trying to shame their community
Speaker 2: by giving back. They just you know, embrace them, give it,
Speaker 2: let's move on. It's thank God that we can give back.
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing. Yeah, you know, you know, you
Speaker 2: got to God that he gave you an opportunity to
Speaker 2: give back, and I believe you know, you know, I
Speaker 2: went to a funeral one time and you know it
Speaker 2: hit me. It was well I knew this before that,
Speaker 2: but it was Revenu Shopton. He was at a funeral
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, when you die, nobody cares
Speaker 2: what car you drive, Nobody cares what clothes you had,
Speaker 2: Nobody cares what this. What they want to know is
Speaker 2: what did you do for the people? And it resonated
Speaker 2: with me so much because it's like, what are you
Speaker 2: doing for the people? You know were happy for you.
Speaker 2: You're successful, you're living a great life this but what
Speaker 2: did you do? How did you come back and give
Speaker 2: to the community. How did you come and change lives?
Speaker 2: How did you mentor people? How did you put people
Speaker 2: give them jobs? So that you know, in my store,
Speaker 2: both two of my three store was own two stores.
Speaker 2: Two of my stores, the managers a single parent mothers.
Speaker 2: One of them just bought a first house and she
Speaker 2: called me one day, I get it, yo, man, I'm
Speaker 2: so happy I bought my first house. I know what
Speaker 2: you mean now, Joe, and you like, yo, you know
Speaker 2: you know we're doing this so you could change your life.
Speaker 2: So these impactful stories, uh, they make they make the legacy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they make everything. And that's how I look at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think do you think hip hop's changing
Speaker 1: slightly when you look at like Ja Cole apologizing after
Speaker 1: you know, he got involved in the beef and then
Speaker 1: he stepped back and he actually said, oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: I was being an old version of me. That's not me.
Speaker 1: And if you saw that video, well me.
Speaker 2: You know, the biggest thing is just yesterday. You know,
Speaker 2: I had one of the biggest, most dangerous rap beefs
Speaker 2: with fifty cent. I was sitting next to him having
Speaker 2: the best time in the world. We're brothers. I get that.
Speaker 2: But when you called out in hip hop, you gotta respond.
Speaker 2: And so I'm a big fan of j Cole, but
Speaker 2: it started from that. So I see, he probably saw
Speaker 2: that they could get real messy and real ugly, and
Speaker 2: so he said, yo, you know what, this ain't me.
Speaker 2: I don't want no parts of it. But he definitely
Speaker 2: got a stripe off his you know whatever, he's a
Speaker 2: sergeant or whatever, he is, the corporal. They took a
Speaker 2: stripe off for that. Because of hip hop, they call
Speaker 2: you out, you come out. You know, that's just what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: That's a sport.
Speaker 2: That's the sport. You gotta come out. And a guy
Speaker 2: like him, he was you know, he was a king.
Speaker 2: You know, he's so talented. He's a king. So it
Speaker 2: was like, wow, call you did that. But I get it.
Speaker 2: I get all scenarios. He was mature enough to think
Speaker 2: past the lyrical beef and say, yo, this might turn physical.
Speaker 1: I know, it felt like he was kind of like,
Speaker 1: that's just not the energy he wants to play in anymore.
Speaker 2: That's just not I'm not mad at him, but I'm
Speaker 2: just saying from a real hip hop artist, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been called out and I got to
Speaker 2: step up, even if I think the artist is a
Speaker 2: million times better than me. You know, it's crazy because
Speaker 2: I remember one time a funny battle was ever Last.
Speaker 2: You remember I jump around eminem andem eminem I think
Speaker 2: called them matter. But he came out like Everlast said
Speaker 2: his rhyme. It was incredible and he moved. You know,
Speaker 2: you gotta come out. You know hip hop, you're talking
Speaker 2: all this, somebody calls you out, you gotta step out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that interesting. So the sport is this.
Speaker 2: I love Jacob. I'm a huge fan of him. I
Speaker 2: get it from a mature standpoint, but also, you know
Speaker 2: hip hop, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta bring the
Speaker 2: sword out when it's time. Got it, That's what it's about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we were saying earlier that you at the
Speaker 1: we were in the j Lo movie together. You play
Speaker 1: this prominent role.
Speaker 2: In the movie too.
Speaker 1: I'm in the movie too. I'm a I play What
Speaker 1: am I forgot?
Speaker 2: What is it? What is got?
Speaker 1: The big horn?
Speaker 2: God or something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I forgot which one? I forget which astrological
Speaker 1: side of my forgot knowing the big areas? Maybe anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm one of the astrological signs. And uh, you played
Speaker 1: the therapist. But it sounds like you've been on would
Speaker 1: you say you've been on some other spiritual journey, a
Speaker 1: healing journey across.
Speaker 2: My whole life. I mean, God has had his hand
Speaker 2: on me. I've been shot at maybe thirty forty times.
Speaker 2: There's times I deserved it. There's times I seen the
Speaker 2: bullet go like this and I knew God was there.
Speaker 2: And so that's why you said, you Joe, why you
Speaker 2: helped the people? I mean, Jesus Man, this guy saved
Speaker 2: my life so many times, like stuff that I was
Speaker 2: supposed to go down for and I never did. And
Speaker 2: so I'm like, wow, I'm just so grateful to God
Speaker 2: that I got to help the people. I gotta spread
Speaker 2: the message. I gotta say I'm faithful to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: That's my God. My Lord has save you. So uh,
Speaker 2: you know, my whole life is a spiritual journey and
Speaker 2: and just me being the leader, uh in my community.
Speaker 2: You know how many people's lives are saved. You know
Speaker 2: how many killers came to me. It was like, Joe,
Speaker 2: could I talk to you? And yeah, I'm homeboy, dis
Speaker 2: me I'm gonna kill him. And I sat with them
Speaker 2: and literally, I tell you, I don't drink. Sat with
Speaker 2: them all night and drank Hannessy with him to convince
Speaker 2: him not to kill that guy. And that guy never
Speaker 2: knew that I'm the guy who convinced this guy not
Speaker 2: to kill that guy. I don't even like that guy,
Speaker 2: but I don't want my friend to go to jail.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, bro, he nah, that ain't there.
Speaker 2: It don't worry regard to deal with that guy. This
Speaker 2: usually I'm serious. I mean time talk to I've been
Speaker 2: a therapist my whole life, talking people off the edge.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, like yo, you know, it's like,
Speaker 2: forget about it. I got a friend now he's fighting cancer.
Speaker 2: Shout out pretty low. It came back and went away
Speaker 2: and came back. Now he just got the thing thing
Speaker 2: that and then you know, I gotta go in there.
Speaker 2: You know, now I gotta go to that. He says,
Speaker 2: you're on the list. You're beside my wife. You're the
Speaker 2: only person to wear on the list. He got hundreds
Speaker 2: of friends, but I'm the one on the list. I'm
Speaker 2: the guy that gotta go in there and pray with
Speaker 2: pretty little and see him fighting the cancer and this,
Speaker 2: and so it's tough for me. People don't really really
Speaker 2: realize in all one day's work, I'll come do this.
Speaker 2: I'll go to an old lady I know's funeral, after
Speaker 2: pay for the funeral. Uh, then go and make a
Speaker 2: song later. And like, you know, my life is crazy.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like I'm like I'm a hip hop
Speaker 2: evangelist at all times. So like this is every single day,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Way, I gotta you know,
Speaker 2: I can't just be fat. Joe the Rapper I gotta
Speaker 2: go and heal the people in a strange way.
Speaker 1: And you go on your business venture too, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's part of.
Speaker 2: Why fight the time when you can read? Now, listen,
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. You don't need it now,
Speaker 2: but one day you might need. Your wife tells you
Speaker 2: she loves the salt and pepper. She's lying. You gotta
Speaker 2: stay in the game, it guys, Why fight the time
Speaker 2: when you can rewind? The time is rewinded. The number
Speaker 2: one product we have it in Sally's Beauty is the
Speaker 2: number one product man or female. And so we got
Speaker 2: rid of the stigma. We got Travis Kelce on the box.
Speaker 2: We got Tyson Beckford, one of the biggest supermodels in
Speaker 2: the world. We got Dj Khaled I mean, John Carlo Novella,
Speaker 2: famous guy. And so you know, I've been the one
Speaker 2: thing you can bully me or clown me for is
Speaker 2: I hate white here. And so since I was twenty seven,
Speaker 2: I was getting white hen and I've been using all
Speaker 2: these other products. Some of them have burned my skin.
Speaker 2: Some of them it ain't true to color. If I
Speaker 2: get a brown and a look purple, you know they
Speaker 2: clown me. On Twitter, Joe got the shoe polys on again.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to be create a product alone with
Speaker 2: my sister, Carolyn Aaronson and Jeff Averison. They own it's
Speaker 2: a tents, they own women's hair products. It's the billion
Speaker 2: dollar company. So we're best friends. We've been on vacation
Speaker 2: with each other fifteen sixteen years, my wife and her
Speaker 2: best friends. And I was like, yo, candle, let's make
Speaker 2: a product. And it's moving. It's gone, I think in
Speaker 2: another year to be everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, no one wants to get bully
Speaker 1: having purple hair or that something.
Speaker 2: All you got to get rid of the stigma. Even
Speaker 2: me when I used to go in there, I used
Speaker 2: to sneak in there almost like I was buying my
Speaker 2: wife some When your wife tells you to buy some tampons,
Speaker 2: that's like recon bro. You diving through the oss. You're
Speaker 2: rolling on the floor. You don't want nobody to hear
Speaker 2: you go off to the counter's evs. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: get me out of here. It's the same thing with
Speaker 2: the hair coloring. When men's hair coloring, nobody wants to know,
Speaker 2: and but we get ready to stigma of it because
Speaker 2: men were really ashamed to say they were doing it.
Speaker 2: But I had some artists I stepped two to get
Speaker 2: on the box and they're like, yeah, I don't do that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, like, yes, you know, you fully rewind,
Speaker 2: but you gotta be kidding me. Bro, you don't use
Speaker 2: the you don't use the product like you know your
Speaker 2: fifty something. Your lines are like this that like your brother.
Speaker 2: I you can tell one million. I'm like a detective.
Speaker 2: One thing I could tell is uh not in a
Speaker 2: terrible way. You do what you want. It ain't my fault.
Speaker 2: But I could tell botox, and I could tell uh
Speaker 2: men's hair color. I just don't know why I could
Speaker 2: just tell. I'm like, all right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and you know, let's keep it real. If you sixty
Speaker 2: years old looking thirty, you're doing something, you know it
Speaker 2: is what it is. You know. Smokey Robinson, the living
Speaker 2: legend of Icon. He looked twenty three still, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not disrestracted him. I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what he feels, and you know he wants to
Speaker 2: look young till he dies. I restract that and you
Speaker 2: have no problem with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For you as well? I mean you went on your
Speaker 1: whole weight loss journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad, what was that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Why did that?
Speaker 2: Because the first thing was big Pun died right from
Speaker 2: my heart attack twenty something. You know, only people I
Speaker 2: knew that god that died were like murdered and you know,
Speaker 2: being twenty seven and dying because you weight that was
Speaker 2: like half the journey. Because I was four hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty pounds at one time. That was half of it.
Speaker 2: Then I had another friend who was another guy twenty
Speaker 2: something years old. He passed away of a heart attack.
Speaker 2: I went to the funeral. He had a daughter like me.
Speaker 2: He was funnier than me. And when I sat there,
Speaker 2: it was almost like an episode of Eberdezias Scrooge where
Speaker 2: he takes you back to look at your life. So
Speaker 2: I looked at it. I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: me next. So I had no choice but to you know,
Speaker 2: work out, eat right, stay off the cabs. You know,
Speaker 2: you know I went through all that.
Speaker 1: How did you set all those habits up? Because those
Speaker 1: are hard things, like people struggle, like.
Speaker 2: You gotta live.
Speaker 1: It was just pure motivation from that.
Speaker 2: You want to live, you know, people tell me all
Speaker 2: the time you're not so fat. YOA I just said, yo,
Speaker 2: I just want to live, and so this world is
Speaker 2: so beautiful that I just want to live. And every
Speaker 2: day I wake up, I caught some of my friends
Speaker 2: and you believe we got another day. You believe we
Speaker 2: got another day. And so I just want to live.
Speaker 2: So health is wealth, and you could be I got
Speaker 2: a friend he caught a terrible infection. Right. This guy's
Speaker 2: a billionaire. He got a boat bigger than this building,
Speaker 2: He got everything he wants. But we thought he was
Speaker 2: dying for like a year and a half. They couldn't
Speaker 2: find this affection. He got skinny. He was just IV's
Speaker 2: on him, this and this and that, and so thank
Speaker 2: god he snapped back and they found it what it was.
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's the true meaning of no health
Speaker 2: is wealth. If you ain't got your health and you
Speaker 2: got all the money in the world, you can smile
Speaker 2: at it all you want. But if you ain't got
Speaker 2: your health, you know you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how long did it take you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What was that price?
Speaker 2: Years? Bro? Yes, it was years. I used to at
Speaker 2: one time, when I was really on it, I used
Speaker 2: to work out maybe.
Speaker 1: Three times a day, three times a day, three.
Speaker 2: Times a day. I was like addicted. And if I
Speaker 2: flew to Vegas to do a show, I'd go straight
Speaker 2: in the gym. You know, I wouldn't need a cracker.
Speaker 2: There was that one time I wouldn't need a cracker.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't need it like I was just like, you know,
Speaker 2: and every day with the trainer, my man his name
Speaker 2: was the Mind Muscle Connection. He'd be like buying muscle connection,
Speaker 2: and he would come and do all that stuff, pushing
Speaker 2: the eighteen wheeler tire in the middle of ninety degree
Speaker 2: weather box just you know, I did it all, you know.
Speaker 2: And and then eventually you learn how to eat, because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is the carbs just
Speaker 2: killing us. So it's bread when you eat it, say
Speaker 2: you take a salty pretzel, it turns into sugar, Rice
Speaker 2: turns into sugar, pasta turns into sugar. All these things
Speaker 2: you don't know. And I met people who say, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm diabetic, and they like, I don't even eat sweets.
Speaker 2: But they don't realize that these carbs they're eating is
Speaker 2: actually going in your body as sugar. And so I
Speaker 2: had to teach myself how to eat, you know, Now
Speaker 2: every time I eat, I eat defensively. If I eat bad,
Speaker 2: it's because I really want to eat bad bother than
Speaker 2: that defense. So I'm like, if I get a rice
Speaker 2: in chicken. So yesterday I bought a it's kind of
Speaker 2: whack too or yellow rice with lobster, right, and then
Speaker 2: I brought it to my house. I ate the lobster
Speaker 2: and might have touched the rice like tip tip the
Speaker 2: whole thing in the garbage. Know, if if I eat sushi,
Speaker 2: the least rice in the world, don't try to bring
Speaker 2: the rice. This this that everything I'm eating is defense.
Speaker 2: Everything is defense. Everything is like yo, try to stay
Speaker 2: away from the cab. Try to stay away from the car.
Speaker 2: Get the chicken with.
Speaker 1: The amazing transformation.
Speaker 2: It's like the way you brush your teeth. Hopefully everybody
Speaker 2: here brushes their teeth as soon as you wake up
Speaker 2: twice a day. As soon as you wake up, you
Speaker 2: gotta brush your teeth, right, that's number one, right, And
Speaker 2: so that's how I eat now. Now I eat like
Speaker 2: you know, even if I went and got a sandwich
Speaker 2: right now, somehow I would eat one part of the
Speaker 2: bread in the three parts of the bread, it's still there.
Speaker 2: But I ate the meat. That's how we do, right, Rich,
Speaker 2: That's how we do all the time.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's inspiring for others as well. That's weird
Speaker 1: making it.
Speaker 2: I still feel like me, So even though I slimmed up,
Speaker 2: I still feel like the same person. So when people
Speaker 2: tell me all the time, yo, Joe, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what are they talking about? Like, I'm still what's that movie? Hello? Show?
Speaker 2: You don't know? How shout? Shallow? How man I look
Speaker 2: in the mirror? I'm still fat, Joe. I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 2: this day they'd be like, yo, you knows. Wait not
Speaker 2: so fat. Job'll be like, Yo, what's these guys talking about?
Speaker 2: I'm shallow? How you know? It's crazy?
Speaker 1: It's great, Joe, It's been such a joy talking to you, man.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, your energy. We we end
Speaker 1: every episode with a final five. These have to be
Speaker 1: answered in one word to one sentence maximum. As a
Speaker 1: poet and a rapper, I'm sure this is very doable,
Speaker 1: but fat Joe, these are your fast final five. The
Speaker 1: question one is what is the best advice you've ever
Speaker 1: heard or received?
Speaker 2: Don't stop keep going? And that's that's that's from DJ Kelly.
Speaker 1: Nice stop keep going that they want you to stop,
Speaker 1: they want you to start.
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's a guy, I tell them, and
Speaker 2: he said, you can't just can't impress Kelly. So I
Speaker 2: told him, Yo, I just got a TV show. Don't stop,
Speaker 2: keep going, keep going. So he keeps me motivating. I
Speaker 2: like that. Okay.
Speaker 1: Second question, what's the worst advice you've ever had or
Speaker 1: received it?
Speaker 2: I would say the worst advice average received was drugs
Speaker 2: are good. Yo, These drugs are good. Nah, I was,
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: Question number three, If they make a movie about your life,
Speaker 1: who's gonna play you?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a young, handsome, Spanish Latino guy for sure,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna pick them out. I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 2: this guy is fly as hell. But I don't believe
Speaker 2: we have one out there yet. I don't believe the
Speaker 2: guy who plays Fat Joe is a star. Yet. It'll
Speaker 2: be some somebody will host do a casting.
Speaker 1: They're not born yet.
Speaker 2: They're born, but we don't know them yet. They're walking
Speaker 2: around Brooklyn, they're walking around LA they're walking around Chicago
Speaker 2: aspiring artists, but they haven't been on TV or movies yet.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a guy on TV and said, oh
Speaker 2: this Fat Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, question them before when you were referring
Speaker 1: to movies that it feels like your life has been Sometimes,
Speaker 1: what's a movie that's already out there that you think
Speaker 1: is the best depiction of what it was like? I'm
Speaker 1: a movie guy, Yeah, I'm a movie I love movies. Bronxtown, Godfather,
Speaker 1: Godfather guy.
Speaker 2: Right now I'm at that Michael Cole, I'm saying, I
Speaker 2: gotta move a solace now. This is tricky out here.
Speaker 2: I gotta be Michael right now. It's so crazy. Just
Speaker 2: last week, Uh, I was thinking to myself, I said
Speaker 2: that right now, this is this, this is Michael Coley
Speaker 2: on time. It's just so wicked out there. You gotta
Speaker 2: think like Michael, you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 2: would say Godfather, But Bronxtail is definitely, uh, one of
Speaker 2: my favorite movies of all time. I learned a lot
Speaker 2: from Bronxteill. You know, I got shot one time. I
Speaker 2: know we can't go into that now. We did, but
Speaker 2: the guy owed me ten dollars and I kept harassing him,
Speaker 2: and the guy was so scared of me that he
Speaker 2: came back and shot me out of fear. So you've
Speaker 2: seen the movie Bronx Taill when he kept Colodial, kept
Speaker 2: chasing the guy that owed him two dollars, and Sonny
Speaker 2: the Dawn told him, y'all you got rid of him
Speaker 2: for two dollars. I should have learned that in the box.
Speaker 2: You know. So I love movies because I always learned
Speaker 2: so much from movies. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice and fifte and final question. If you could create
Speaker 1: one law that everyone in the world had to follow,
Speaker 1: what would it be?
Speaker 2: One law that everybody else it would be give back
Speaker 2: to the lext fortunate. You know, I got friends that
Speaker 2: are billionaires, and I got a friend I can't tell
Speaker 2: you who he is. He's bigger than everything, bigger than
Speaker 2: rapping everything. This guy's big. His backyard is the beach.
Speaker 2: He has like maybe a two hundred million dollar house
Speaker 2: in the backyard is beach. Got published over sixty books.
Speaker 2: You read his books, and he told me, you know,
Speaker 2: he looked at me and he said, man, you you're
Speaker 2: too generous. Man like what it says the guy with
Speaker 2: a billion dollars. He's like, he says, I'm not like you.
Speaker 2: I'm not as good as you. I see how you're
Speaker 2: always giving back and all that. He says, I'm not
Speaker 2: He's like, nah, I don't give back. He said, you
Speaker 2: know why when I died, my grandchildren I got the
Speaker 2: more college. That's it. They're not getting my money. You know,
Speaker 2: like wow, you know. So I would tell everybody to
Speaker 2: give back, have a cond heart, get back to the
Speaker 2: less fortunate. If you ain't got none to give back,
Speaker 2: give back your time, whatever you could do for your community.
Speaker 2: You need to do that man, and and try to
Speaker 2: mentor the youth. I always try to tell him the
Speaker 2: right thing.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing you a lot in Washington, DC lately
Speaker 1: as well, So tell us about what's going on there.
Speaker 2: Just fighting health price transparency. You know, I teamed up
Speaker 2: with an organization to the patients. One of my friends
Speaker 2: is the founder, Kevin Morra. He's been there, he's been
Speaker 2: my friend for over twenty years. So he teld me
Speaker 2: what's going on in America and how many people it's
Speaker 2: over one hundred million Americans in debt due to health pricing.
Speaker 2: There's one hundred million, they but three one hundred million, right,
Speaker 2: so that's one in three and people losing their families.
Speaker 2: You know, when you go to the hospital, you sign
Speaker 2: over a waiver that says if you can't pay, they
Speaker 2: could take your property. And you know, I read up
Speaker 2: on this Amish family where they had a granddaughter and
Speaker 2: she needed a kidney and they were afraid to take
Speaker 2: her to the hospital and sign the papers because they
Speaker 2: were afraid of losing the farm to get her a kidney.
Speaker 2: And you know, people are scared to go to the
Speaker 2: doctor because of the price. So you see you walk
Speaker 2: around New York, you see people limping, people just getting
Speaker 2: worse and worse because they what do you do You
Speaker 2: send your kid to college or you fix your leg
Speaker 2: or you know, and this is going on like crazy,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's actually a law out there that
Speaker 2: says you got to enforce and you got to tell
Speaker 2: people the price when they're going there. And for some reason,
Speaker 2: they're not enforcing this, and so we're bringing awareness. So
Speaker 2: I've been going to Hollywood. Yeah that's Washington is sort
Speaker 2: of like Hollywood, right, So I've been going to Washington
Speaker 2: dealing with all the politicians trying to get a law pass.
Speaker 2: And Senator bron and Bernie Sanders came up with the
Speaker 2: law but finally says you have to tell us the
Speaker 2: prices not estimates estimates to be us. We want to
Speaker 2: know what it is. And you know what does that
Speaker 2: do for you? It creates competition. Say, I gotta go somewhere.
Speaker 2: I got to get an MRI. I pull up my
Speaker 2: three favorite hospitals. One of them is, believe it or not,
Speaker 2: one of them will be twelve hundred, one of them
Speaker 2: would be twenty eight thousand, one of them will be
Speaker 2: seventy eight hundred. Of course I'm going with the twelve hundred.
Speaker 2: But it makes competition. Now they could charge you whatever
Speaker 2: they want. Yeah, So shout out the powers to the
Speaker 2: patients and all the politicians. Let's make this happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's needed. I mean I moved from London to
Speaker 1: the US eight years ago, and in London we have
Speaker 1: the National Health Service, the NHS, which is available for
Speaker 1: everyone for free. But then and then you have private healthcare.
Speaker 1: If you want, like, you know, a particular service, level
Speaker 1: of service you.
Speaker 2: Want to sweep, if you're gonna have a big bend
Speaker 2: totally yes, then of course.
Speaker 1: But that's the funny thing. The private healthcare in England
Speaker 1: is actually private in the sense of it's it's an
Speaker 1: elevated experience. It's private healthcare here is like even when
Speaker 1: I moved in, I was playing like five ten thousand
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you're like, it doesn't you don't even get me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't get anything. Every time I go for percent,
Speaker 1: still gonna pay. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's all a gimmick, man. So we're bringing awareness to it.
Speaker 1: The shots brilliant man. No, that's really important. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel that we need to find a way that I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so sad to see how many people are on
Speaker 1: the streets or struggling because they can't afford their medical Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's painful. Thank you for doing that. That's amazing. How
Speaker 1: can how can people support help? How can they learn? Actually,
Speaker 1: how can people.
Speaker 2: Follow power to the patients? We always performing on the
Speaker 2: Instagram on social media. Uh, and we out there, man,
Speaker 2: we out there. We're in their faces. We're going to
Speaker 2: get the job done and help the people. This is
Speaker 2: another way of you know, helping the people using my voice.
Speaker 2: You know, I used to say I'm a voice for
Speaker 2: the voiceless, but now I say I'm a voice for
Speaker 2: those unheard, meaning there's people they got a voice.
Speaker 1: Out and it's just you can't well saying thank you
Speaker 1: so much, man, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: It's all live.
Speaker 1: We did it, baby, we did it.
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Speaker 3: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,
Speaker 3: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all
Speaker 3: of the value.
Speaker 2: That's the success
Speaker 3: Comes when you say I like this enough for other
Speaker 3: people to see it.