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Calm your Mind, 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Change your Life. 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: I got shut up maybe thirty forty times in my life. 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: That might be scared of a gun, I might be 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: scared of a bazooka, But men, I've never been afraid 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: of men. I'm afraid of fly, so you know every 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: day I fly. I'm like. 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: We got a special guest in the building, the icon 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: living Fat Joe. 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: Would be had to see where we were going to 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: put the money at. My other brother turned around and 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: told my brother, why are we even talking in front 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: of Joey. 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Today's guest is someone I've been listening 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: to since I was a kid, very very grateful to 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: have on the show, the one the only someone who 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: needs no introduction. Fat Joe, Joe, Welcome to on Purpose. 47 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that. 48 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: You're here A long time coming out. 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: I know there's been a long term coming. We did 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: a short get together connection. 51 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: We always knew we was going to do this sooner 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: or later. But it's honor to be here. 53 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: No, I'm very grateful to have you here. Honestly, I 54 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: grew up listening to you. I was listening to you 55 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: this morning getting ready for the show, just to prepare 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: my mindset. 57 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: And that's a different Fat Joe, Fat Joe, twenty twenty four. 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 2: Sometimes I listen to my music, I'm like, yo, I 59 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: can't even believe, like it was really Yeah, it was 60 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: a different time. 61 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: What what what's your earliest childhood memory that has defined 62 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: who you are today? 63 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: Wow? Just uh, always being charismatic, always being you know, 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: from the class clown to people always loved me. I 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: always told great stories and and so when you're growing 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: up in hip hop, you know, we used to always 67 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: have this like mean bravado, nobody talked to nobody, everybody right, 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: And so recently I started telling stories in the last 69 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: couple of years and everybody's like, yo, why it's a 70 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: great storyteller. But I always was this person. But unfortunately 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: hip hop, what have you put on this facade to 72 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: where you can't even show people your true personality? So 73 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: I think that's what I that's what I think coincides 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: is just I've always been this person since I was 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: a kid, and the world's just getting there is getting 76 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: revealed to the world. 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you think that is? Why did why 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: did you have to hide yourself? What was the reason 79 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: for me? 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: This hip hop was just really tough. Man. When I 81 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: grew up, it was you know, we lost Biggie, we 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: lost pot you know, uh, you were punk. If you 83 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: had security, like you know, they wanted to see you 84 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: go through it. Unfortunately, there was a big uh stigma 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: and hip hop like if you didn't live it, then 86 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: we didn't We didn't respect you. And so you had 87 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: to live this thing out. And the last thing you 88 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: want to show people is that you're cool, funny dude 89 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: that gets along with everybody, actually loves everybody. So you 90 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: you had to keep that tucked away just for your uh, 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: your family and your friends. 92 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: But even when you were younger, you were bullied, right, 93 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: You went through bullying, and then I believe there were 94 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: even and. 95 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: I became a bully. So it's it's like, uh, you 96 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: become a product of the product. And so you know, 97 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: when I was young, I was getting bullied because you know, 98 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: I've never been a punk. I've never been you know. 99 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: So twenty guys confronted me. I fight all twenty of them. 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: They beat, They'll beat the crap out of me. But 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: I always was that. 102 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: What were they bullying you for? At that time? Man? 103 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: It was it was just too much. Like So, I 104 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: grew up in the ninety percent black neighborhood. So the 105 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: way they explain this to you is the only thing 106 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: not black about me is my skin color. So my 107 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: family were there forty years before me. So when they 108 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: brought me home, it was like that was Joey. And 109 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: so I grew up at that neighborhood my whole life, 110 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: and so you know, that's how I grew up. And 111 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: then I went to my grandmother's neighborhood. It's like ninety 112 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: nine percent black. But they never seen a Latino like that, 113 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: looking like the Beatles with blonde hair and green eyes 114 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: and acting like and saying, you know, just coming like 115 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: that was a problem, Like they had a real problem 116 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: with that over there. They were like, yo, we're not 117 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: going for that over here. But I am who I am. 118 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: So I've always been me. I've always been true to 119 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: who I am. So I had a lot of problems, 120 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: you know. And so you know bullies, you know, when 121 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: one gets away with it, you know, then then another 122 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: guy tries it. It's not necessarily that they're tough. It's 123 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: just to say, oh, they beat them up, Oh we 124 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: could beat them up, and then you know, you're just 125 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: the guy they beat up. And I kept telling them 126 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: I'm not a punk. I kept telling them every time 127 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: they beat me up. I was like, Yo, I'm not 128 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: a punk. I'm letting y'all know. Y'all just got the 129 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: numbers right now, you know. And so I used to 130 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: get beat up for a lot of things. I used 131 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: to lie a lot when I was a kid. So 132 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: I would say stuff like yo, I was with that girl. 133 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: Her brother would come with five guys and be like, 134 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: oh you with my sister? Beat me up. So I remember, 135 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: I had a time I had to look in the 136 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: mirror when I was teenager and just be like, yo, 137 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: you lie a lot. Oh you got to stop, like 138 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: you got to you gotta keep it real because you 139 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: get beat up because of this. So you know, life journey, 140 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: it's a journey. This this the journey. Everything leads to 141 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: the next chapter in life. 142 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing wherever you grow up, just how much 143 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: bullying is the norm for kids. Like even where I 144 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: grew up, I was bullied for the color of my 145 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: skin because there weren't that many Indian people in the 146 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: area that I grew up in. And I was bullied 147 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: for my weight because I was overweight growing up, so 148 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: I was bullied for that. It's amazing how like kids 149 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: find a way to make other kids life hell. Even 150 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: though we heard. 151 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: What's crazy is not criticizing the youth of today. But 152 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: when I see stuff like bullying and they you know, 153 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:44,119 Speaker 2: kids kill themselves and because they're getting body shamed or whatever, 154 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: I just don't understand, Like, do you know what levels 155 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: of bullying I've been through? And I never once thought 156 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: of killing myself, never once, you know, I just knew 157 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: it was something we had to work our way through. 158 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: And so you know, I don't think there's never a 159 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: time where you kill yourself. You know, I don't think 160 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: there's never a time where you just say, yo, I 161 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: want to kill myself. I don't know how that comes about. 162 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: And so you know we're bullying. It was. You know, 163 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: we've been getting bullied in the house, you know, from 164 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: my father, from my family, from me. You know, we've 165 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: been dealing with a lot of uh pressure and trauma. 166 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,559 Speaker 2: And you know, you know your father comes only lost 167 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: all his money gambling drinking. He's gonna treat you like 168 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: shit that day, you know what I'm saying. So but 169 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: we don't know that, and so we had to work 170 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: through all that. We have to learn all that. So 171 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: now when I see uh my kids or other people's 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: kids complaining about something, you know, I got beat up 173 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: by twenty guys every single day for two years straight, 174 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: so you know, and I never once went home and 175 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: told my mother I can't do it, you know, so 176 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. 177 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Why do you think 178 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: that you had that tough skin, that resilience. 179 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: Now it was hard, well it was hard, but you 180 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: but you know something you had to deal with. You know, 181 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: you have to go to school the next day, you 182 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: had to go outside the next day. You have to 183 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: like this where you at. You're in this environment, You're 184 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: either going to be predator or prey. And so you know, 185 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: I was always the loving, nice person I am. And 186 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: then you know, my skin got thick. Then I was like, 187 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna be the the tough guy. I'm 188 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: gonna be the bully. I'm gonna show them I'm not 189 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: gonna care. And then things changed, and thankfully hip hop 190 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: came and saved my life. 191 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: You said you had to in those early days make 192 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: some life and death choices. 193 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: Now I got shot at maybe thirty forty times in 194 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,239 Speaker 2: my life, and I know somebody like you or some 195 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: of my friends, they can't even understand that, no for sure. 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: And so you know, I tell people these stories now 197 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: and now they think I'm just lying. I just make 198 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: it up. But the truth is the truth. And so 199 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: you could imagine I was one of the toughest kids 200 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. I was always into something, and I 201 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: was very aggressive of getting money. You know, I'm very 202 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: aggressive of getting money. I was in six states this 203 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: week alone, So I'm like, you know, I've been like 204 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: that since I was a kid. So you know, once 205 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 2: in any neighborhood. You know, if you hear about dangerous places, 206 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: it always has to do with money, or with drugs 207 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: or with you know, and so that's why you say, 208 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: you say, yo, that place is so safe. Yeah, but 209 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: you know they killing people? Why the drug game to this? 210 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: To that? So I've always was aggressive, you know, and 211 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: once you show people you want money and you want 212 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: you want bigger things and you're willing to do whatever for, 213 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: it becomes more dangerous. 214 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, what were you doing for money at that time? 215 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: Well? I was hustling, you know, I was. I was 216 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: really I was no different than the movies. You see, 217 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: like I was a guy. They were hired to go 218 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: beat people up. Like that's how I started in the game. 219 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: And so it'd be like, yo, Joe. 220 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: How did they recruit you for something? Like what? 221 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: I know that these guys are bad guys and you 222 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: could pick them up. So you're drug kingpin. You're not 223 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: necessarily tough like that. But you know, Fat Joey and them, 224 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: they get busy no matter what. And so you know, 225 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 2: you coming, you say, you're Fat Joey. You've got three 226 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: pair of sneakers for you, you know, a jacket, you know, 227 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: I need you go beat my competition up. So I 228 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: would just jump out of van and you know, and 229 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: just you know, apply to pressure. 230 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: Were scared. 231 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: No, that's one thing God never made me. Was scared 232 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: of men. Right. I might be scared of a gun, 233 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: I might be scared of a bazooka, but men, I've 234 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: never been afraid of men, you know, physically, whether it 235 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: was one twenty thirty forty or just never been afraid 236 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: of men, you know, of violence or physical you know. 237 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: Yet and still I ain't get grabbed by the cartel 238 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: or some ship like that. You know, that's it. But 239 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: I've never been afraid of men. You know what I'm saying. 240 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: I'm afraid of fly. So you know, every day I fly, 241 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm the big I'm grabbing the old lady 242 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: next to me. You know, I'm the guy I take 243 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: all three air conditions. When when when I'm flying, I 244 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: grab all the three and I got it on me 245 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: and I'm breathing. I'm doing breathing exercises. You know, I'm 246 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: terrified of flying. And I fly all the time. And 247 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 2: I just tell God, I said, God, thank you for 248 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: letting me face my fear. You know what I mean 249 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: because I'm able to. You know, I don't think if 250 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: I flew, I would be uh as successful as I 251 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: am so and I love going places I love. I 252 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: would love to go to India, Africa. This this that 253 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: it just don't like the journey, the plane flight once 254 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: this is it still still every day every every I fly, 255 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: maybe every other day, and it could be the beg. 256 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: I remember one time I get on the flight with 257 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: Kalid and Calid got this plane, like you know, cald 258 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 2: does everything another level, you know, so his private plane 259 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: that was white, everything, the ceiling, the floors, the coucius, 260 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: the ladies, the flight attendants. They were so polite. It 261 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: was there was the best flight you could ever take. 262 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: We went up, we felt a little. I was like 263 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: it could have been it could have been American Airlines, 264 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: it could have been any other plane. I was like, 265 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: all the white, all the fancy food, everything went out 266 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: the window. I was like terrified and something I can't get. 267 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: Over with going back to that time that you're they're 268 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: giving you a jacket, they giving you three pairs of 269 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: sneakers and go and take care of this. How long 270 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: does that continue for a man? 271 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: That continues because I was, uh, we were really tough. 272 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: I won't say just me, but we're really tough. And 273 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: but I, like I said, I you know, when I 274 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: grew up in the Bronx, it looked like bombs exploded 275 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: in the Bronx. It looked like Ukraine, no exaggeration, look 276 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: it up, seventies eighties in the Bronx. And so, but 277 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: I always had a ambition to be successful, to have 278 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: more on I remember talking to a friend of mine, 279 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: his name was Louis. We was like twelve years old 280 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: and I'm looking out that rubble and I'm saying, Yo, 281 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: I'm not this ain't for me. I gotta get money. 282 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta. I gotta give me a Mercedes Benz, 283 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: I gotta give me a DA And he's like, what 284 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: are you talking about? We've been so poor generational that 285 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: he couldn't even fathom. You know, nobody in my family 286 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: was rich like that or nothing like that. So he 287 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: was like, what are you talking about? We straight this. 288 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: I was like, nah, I gotta get it, you know. 289 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: And and so it's almost like a movie that you know, 290 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: you got these guys that you know, you just come 291 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: pick up when it's time. And so I would go. 292 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: And you know, for me, it was by any means 293 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: necessary to get money, and so I would do whatever, 294 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: but also knowing I want to be the kingpin, not 295 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: the guy they come get to beat people up. And 296 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: so one thing led to another and and you know, 297 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: we became big boys in the street, you know before 298 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: a rap. So hip hop saved my life, you know, 299 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: changed my whole life like a Cinderella movie. Like it 300 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: was like the minute I got my record deal, I 301 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: never hustled again. I never dealt with crime, I never 302 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: went back there. It was like a Cinderella Robin Hood. 303 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: The minute that I got my deal, I was like, y'all, 304 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: I don't want nothing to do with this. I walked 305 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: away from it, started rapping, telling my story through music, 306 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: and here we are. You know, I just knew when 307 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: I got into hip hop and I got into the 308 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: rap game, I said, all right, this is it, this 309 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: is this, this is the way out. And you know, 310 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: no difference and any other business. You know, at one 311 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: time I had the number one record Flow Joe in 312 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. It was it was the number one 313 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: record in the country. I was getting five hundred dollars 314 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: a show. So I was doing three shows at night. 315 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: Do you know, you know, that wasn't no money, you 316 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But I had to do what 317 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: I had to do to get my money, and so 318 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: you know, so that wasn't even easy. So you now 319 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: you in the game and you step in and it's 320 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: almost like half the battle. And I was like, Yo, 321 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: how do we find the money in this business? Because 322 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: at that time, it was no money in the business. 323 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, yeah, that's crazy to think 324 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: that in what thirty years, it's changed so much financially. 325 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: I think I don't want to say for a fact, 326 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: but I think LOOKUJ was headlining arenas for like ten 327 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: thousand a show. Wow, and this is Arenas, this is 328 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: like Madison Square Garden and all that. So it was like, 329 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: you know, it was the money wasn't there, So you know, 330 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: back in the day is the only way to explain 331 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 2: it to you. Back in the days, Magic Johnson was 332 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: the first player to get a million dollars a year. 333 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: He made the cover of Times magazine, he was in 334 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: every matter. It was the biggest talk. Now you got 335 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: the fifteenth guy on the bench making two hundred and 336 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: forty million. The disparity is crazy. You see a rapper 337 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: now or reggaetne artists or one of them now put 338 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: out one hit and they're making four hundred thousand the 339 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: show for one song, and you're like, Yo, this is 340 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: craz I done, tore it. Forget a chitlin circuit. I 341 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: don't went around the whole moon for five hundred dollars, 342 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: you know, So you know it's a different time. 343 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Jay here. My wife and I have 344 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: had so much fun creating our own sparkling tea Juni, 345 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: and I've got big news for you. It's at Target 346 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: and we love your support. 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Yeah, I 355 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: was going back to your movie analogy I feel like 356 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: in the movie the streets always trying and come back 357 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: for the person to try to move away. So when 358 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: someone goes, I come done with this business. Now I'm 359 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: going to a shadow. Yeah. 360 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: And so with my life it was like that too, 361 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: and I and I and I made a lot of mistakes. 362 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 2: You know, I'm more successful now than ever, but that's 363 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: because I'm much more mature and so, you know, growing 364 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: up in the ghetto, you have survivors guilt, and so 365 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: me and my community, you know, took care me. The 366 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: only reason why I'm still here is because of them. 367 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 2: So I had a big obligation to try to bring 368 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: everybody with me. You know, I got rich young, and 369 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: I would have fifty guys with me every time. I 370 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: would literally come to your interview right now with fifty guys, 371 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: fifty trucks, fifty cars. That means fifty stakes, fifty champagne bottles, 372 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: fifty hotel rooms, fifty plane tickets. This you know, every day, 373 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 2: how do you afford that you don't? And so what 374 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: happens is, uh, you know, when you when you're young, 375 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: if you look at the cartoons, they're telling kids a 376 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: million dollars. That's almost like you could capture a cloud, right, 377 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: like like a million dollars is like you could take 378 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: a cloud and put it in a bottle a million dollars, 379 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: and then when you get a million dollarge, you think 380 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: it's like this can't run out, but it runs out. 381 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: And so for me, I remember going broke about three 382 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: times in my life, like literally broke, being like a 383 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: number one rapper, number one on the head. Everybody's what, 384 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: but I'm like, and I'm just doing foolish things and 385 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to take the whole neighborhood with me. 386 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: And I remember that one time I tell this famous story, 387 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: but I'll tell it to your audience. I remember one 388 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: time I couldn't sleep, and now I know when I 389 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: can't sleep, God has given me a message. So that's 390 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 2: that's a fact. Like that that that when I I 391 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: could sleep all the time, right, but when I can't sleep, 392 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: there's something that I gotta figure out, dissect or whatever 393 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: God is telling me. Yo, hold up, figure this out, 394 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: you know, because us, you know, we in the public life, 395 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: we gotta watch what we say. We gotta do. You know, 396 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: it's a very you know, I don't get high, I 397 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: don't use I don't. Everybody, I encourage you to smoke weed. 398 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: If you want cannabis, you could drink whatever. I don't. 399 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: And in my life, with everything that's been thrown at me, 400 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: it's almost like the matrix. If I got high, i'd 401 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: have been out of here a long time ago. Did it? 402 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: No Wow. So the way this thing comes to me 403 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: is like, you know, he throw so much things at you, 404 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: whether it's family, whether it's business, whether it's this, whether 405 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: it's that, it's this. To be successful in twenty twenty 406 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: four is like the matrix. You know you're doing this. 407 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: It's like who dodged that one? What about this one? 408 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: What about that? Magine I'm high, I'm over here like 409 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: this doped up? I'm done right? And so that was 410 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: back in the early days. The reason why I never 411 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: got high was because I had so much violence and 412 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: beef whatever guys that you know, I just I knew 413 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: they were gonna kill me or some like if I 414 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: was standing on the corner hin smoked out or something. 415 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: I was done. And the thing is, nobody has a 416 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: PhD or masters in hip hop music. It's actually whose 417 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: crew is toughest. So every rapper you meet, they'll come 418 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: up and be like, Yo, Hi, let's just say I'm 419 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: fabulous yo. This my man just came on for twenty years. 420 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: He did three murder this this to' oh how you 421 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: doing yo? This is Jada kiss yo? What's up? Jadakiss yo? 422 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: This is my man Johnny the button just came on 423 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 2: for twenty five years for killing five people. This thing, 424 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it is. And so I don't 425 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: get we gotta do it with Drake. We could do 426 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: it with all of them, right, and so you don't 427 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 2: need a PhD on Masters to get a hip hop. 428 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: So I'm leaving the streets trying to come in here 429 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: to change my life. And then when I come in 430 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: here to change my life, I realize the streets come back, 431 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: the shadows, you know, And then everybody want to know, 432 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: are you really tough? Are you really that guy? Fat Joe? 433 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: Do you talk loud? Do you just like prove to 434 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: us that you really get busy? And so the streets 435 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: is always with you, you know. Now it's more like you know, 436 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: now we totally you know, talk to my secure to 437 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: argue with my security. He's an ex cop, deal with him. Oh, 438 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even stuff doesn't even bother 439 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: me no more. So you got to get to that 440 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: place spiritually. You got to get to that place where 441 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: you feel like, you know what your job is in life, 442 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: you know what you're trying to do. You want to 443 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: live righteous, you want to help the people, you want 444 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: to help your family. But all that outside noise doesn't 445 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: even bother me no more. You know. I've had some 446 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: of my friends that I have for years go on 447 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: youtubes and blogs and talk bad about me and this 448 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: and this. I'd be like, oh, him too, Like it's 449 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: like it just it just rubs off me. Now it's 450 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: not doesn't even affect me. 451 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were younger, one of the things that 452 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: did affect you, I believe was your oh, brother, you're 453 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: realizing that you weren't biologically family. 454 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't my problem. It was like we grew 455 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: up together. So I have two brothers and the sister, 456 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: and I grew up my father came from Cuba, and 457 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: my father got with my my mom's after she had 458 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: a husband and had three kids. So I'm the last kid. 459 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 2: But he raised my brothers and sisters, and we were 460 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: raised as brothers and sisters to this day. Brother, not half. 461 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: We never heard the word half. We had a brother. 462 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: So me and my brother, we were, you know, partners 463 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: in the streets, right, So you know, me and my 464 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: brother and you. And then my other brother, Raymond, was 465 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: supposed to be a lawyer or whatever the case may be. 466 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: He was going to school for that. And then when 467 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: we was hustling, we had a choice to make right. 468 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: And so the choice to make was that we had 469 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: made all this money, we still lived in the projects, Like, 470 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: we had tons of money in the closet right in 471 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: the in afforded affordable housing projects. So we had to 472 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: see where we were going to put the money at. 473 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: Wasn't that small? An't we was sophisticated. We didn't know 474 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: about buying businesses. We didn't have accountants, We ain't have nothing. 475 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: The most we had was cars and jury and and 476 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: so my one brother said, y'all leave the money with me. 477 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: And I said, and I ain't think nothing of he's 478 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: my brother. I told my brother Andre, I said, why 479 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: don't we leave half the money with him? And you 480 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: go to Orlando to my aunt who's like ninety years old. 481 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: She wouldn't even know she had millions of dollars in 482 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: her attic right, and I said, split it up. You know, 483 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 2: you don't want all your eggs not saying it this. 484 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: And so my brother, my other brother, turned around and 485 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: told my brother, why are we even talking in front 486 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 2: of Joey? He's our half brother. And that devastated me 487 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: that the tears just can't. I never heard that before. 488 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: So my brother Andrew argue with him, was like, you're crazy. 489 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: Joey's my brother. You know. The irony to that story 490 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: is that day, it was Thanksgiving the whole family. You know, 491 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: we never had much or whatever, but we always have 492 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: was love and family to this day. So I got 493 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: in the car. I had a Mustang five point on 494 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: at that time, I went to h it'send the book Jose. 495 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 2: I went to a place in the bronx Court City 496 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: Island to it. It's one way in, one way out, 497 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: and so I was just driving like one hundred miles 498 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: per hour, and I was I just felt like I 499 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: was going to run into a wall or something. And 500 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: then at the last minute, you know, I spun out. 501 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: I was actually thinking the killing myself. I spun out, 502 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: you know, except that then I went and ate me 503 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: a nice steak. You ever ate at the Seville Rich 504 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: there was a Oh my god, they had the best 505 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: steaks with the fast onions. Now I had the best 506 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: meal that night, right old school joint man. And so 507 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: eventually I wrote it in the book, but didn't really 508 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: actually say it that my brother the FEDS came and 509 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: locked everybody up, like forty of us, not me. I 510 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: was rapping the ready. Thank god, rap saved my life. 511 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: But when they did that, my brother was on the runner. 512 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: He was calling my other brother, YO, send me money. 513 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 2: He was in like Dominican Republican and my brother went 514 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: and respond. So my brother flies back and the brother 515 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: who called me to have brother spent the millions of 516 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: dollars we didn't know. So he came and said, Yo, 517 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: what's up. I'm on the run. I need the money. 518 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: And he's like, yo, I spent the money. We like 519 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: you spent the money millions of dollars. Like you spent 520 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: the money. And it wasn't like lavish. You ain't see no 521 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: Lamborghinea out there or nothing like. It's like how you 522 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 2: spent the money. And so the concept of us growing 523 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: up was always if my brother had it, I had it. 524 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: So my brother was the boss. I made some dollars, 525 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: but he made the real money. But I knew if 526 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: my brother had it, I had it. It's the same 527 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: concept we have with terror Squad today. If Joe got it, 528 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: you got it. You can't take advantage of it. Well, 529 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: he'll help you at any given time. You know, if 530 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: I got it, you got it. And so my brother 531 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: stole the money. I never talked to him for twenty 532 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: five thirty years. I never talked to him again because 533 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 2: my brother not only did he steal the money, my 534 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 2: other brother, ain't you started using drugs because he went 535 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 2: from being rich to being broke. And I used to 536 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 2: tell them all the time, your age, I'm rapping, I'm 537 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: gonna take care of us. Don't worry. I got us. 538 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: But he just fell in deep depression and started using 539 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 2: drugs and using drugs. And you know, to this day, 540 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 2: my brother he'll be looking around the room and he 541 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: was like, I used to have money. I used to 542 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: have it. You know, these people kill themselves in Wall Street. 543 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: They jump off the roof, they jump off of bridges, 544 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: they hang themselves when they lose all their money. When 545 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: you used to that type of money, millions of dollars, 546 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: you know, your own brother, your own blood steals that 547 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: from you. So he had a lot to deal with 548 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: and I kept putting them in drug programs. I kept 549 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: begging them like, June, come on, I'm good, Like, come on, 550 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna be good. But he couldn't get 551 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: over that. Even to this day. But he's not using 552 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: drugs no more, thank God. But you know, if I 553 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: had him, you know, mind sound. You know, he's smarter 554 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: than me. So if I had him with me through 555 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: my whole career, through my whole you know, we would 556 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: have been better off than we are now, you know, 557 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: because he was really the leader, he was really the 558 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: smart one and so but he couldn't snap himself out 559 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: of that. 560 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, how hard is that watching someone you love, someone 561 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: that you try, someone that you know could have been 562 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: this and had this potential, and then not seeing them 563 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: be there with you through it? Well, how do you 564 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: deal with that? 565 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, my best friend on earth is in jail. 566 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: He's doing forty eight years and he's been in jail 567 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: for thirty three years. And I often think about, like tonight, 568 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna nick game. I know for a fact they're 569 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: gonna put me on TV. God bless him on court side, 570 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: sitting next to Spike Lee High five and Spike Lee. 571 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: My brother got to see that in jail and the Feds. 572 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: But how do you think he feel that he's in 573 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: jail my best friend, and he knows that if he 574 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: comes out, Fat Joe got him. He's right here with 575 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: Jay Shetty. He's driving the best car, he's living the 576 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: best life. That's what you call suffering when you can't 577 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: do nothing for it. And the same thing with my brother. 578 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: You know what, you know, my brother had a chance, 579 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: you know. And so what I can tell you is 580 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: that drugs is an illness. It's highly addictive. That's why 581 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: I never tried it, because I might like it, And 582 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: so that's why I've always stayed away from drugs. I 583 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: looked at my brother and said, damn man, he's smarter 584 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: than me. He could have been way more than me. 585 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: And you know he couldn't shake the drugs. I don't 586 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: even want to try that. You know I had. I'll 587 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 2: tell you a story for your audience. I had a 588 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: girl I used to chase for maybe ten years. I 589 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: used to chase this girl, Hey, what's up yo, yo? 590 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: Beautiful girl? Right? And one day. She said, tonight's your 591 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: night and I said, oh, wow, really I'm going to 592 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: get it. Like you know y'all've been after even Yes, yes, 593 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: but you know, Joe, I know you don't use drugs, 594 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: but tonight, to make it special, we're gonna take these 595 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: pills together. And I said, huh. She was like, we're 596 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: gonna take this choir. I said, I'm not taking them pills. 597 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: She was like, no, but this is gonna be amazing. 598 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: This is that you don't understand sex with these pills, 599 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: I said. And I was after this girl, and I 600 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: was like, you ain't getting me to take the pills. 601 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: And so nothing happened. Nothing happened. 602 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Brother, she must have felt that rejection. 603 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't care about rejection. It's just I know, you 604 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: know too many stories. 605 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: You know. 606 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: Uh, good friend of mine not to put his business 607 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: out there, but he talks about it. Scott Storch one 608 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: of the most talented people in the world. Like I 609 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: owe him a lot of my career to Scott Storch. 610 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: But he tried at one time and that was it. Wow, 611 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 2: he tried. He was with two girls, real famous girls. 612 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: If you know the real story. The best, the best 613 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 2: movie ever made that hasn't been made as the Scott's 614 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: short story. If he lays the goods out is, you know, 615 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: we need Leonardo DiCaprio to play him like this, this 616 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: is gonna be one. But you know, he had two 617 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: famous girls and they were like, yo, you want to 618 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: be with us, you got to sniff this cocaine off 619 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: of you know, And he did it. He said that. 620 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: He literally told me the minute he sniffed it, he 621 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: was like euphoria, like this is the game, you know, 622 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: this whole life up messing with that. Now he's doing better, 623 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: but uh, you know he ran through like ninety million 624 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: dollars getting high. 625 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: You know, well, yeah, because he was the guy then. 626 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: I remember he was producing for everyone. 627 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, like eighty five percent and number one songs of 628 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: one year, Yeah, Beyonce, fat Yo fifty, he was Sean Paul, 629 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: This everything was him, yeah remember, and so, uh, you 630 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: know he took a hard fall. You know, I love 631 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: Scott Man. I wouldn't be where I'm at if it 632 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: wasn't for Scott. 633 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's and and that's the hard part, right. 634 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: That's right with him. I try to get jokes. Oh yeah, 635 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: I'm you know in many places. I'm considered the fun killer, 636 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: you know, because I were coming they can't get high. 637 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: Scott Storch, I'll tell you he used to sniff kilos 638 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: of cocaine, but around me, he never sniffed cocain his life. 639 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: He had that level of respect. So I would go 640 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: to his I would go there every day and just 641 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: sit there like a thrown on his side, you know, 642 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: for months, and just be like, you know, making sure 643 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: he don't get high. They said the minute I walked 644 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: out the door, and they were like, bring it out right. 645 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: They hated me in the place, but you know, I tried. 646 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: You know well, I mean we're talking about losing people 647 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: while they're still alive, and that is a real loss. 648 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: And then you've lost people who have actually lost their life, 649 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: who are no longer here. You've lost three, I mean, 650 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've lost more than this, but three very 651 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: significant people in your life. Can you tell us what 652 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: was significant about the loss of each, because I feel 653 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: like they're different, diferent types of losses, but they're all 654 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: in the same year. 655 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: First of all, the same like week, like yeah, two 656 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: three weeks apart. Everything. I start with my sister. My 657 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: sister was like my best friend. She was supposed to 658 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: be the one to be there for me. You know, 659 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: we love our wives and we want them to always 660 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: be there. But one person I do know, you know, O. J. 661 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 2: Simpson died, you know recently, and they said the only 662 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: people who used to go see them every day was 663 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: his sisters. You know, that's the you know, when the 664 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 2: whole world turns off the lights on you, your sisters 665 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 2: would be there for you. So I lost to I 666 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: lost my sister. She was giving childbirth and so they 667 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: gave an epidoro instead of numbing up from the waist 668 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: down and number from the waist up. Lack of oxygen 669 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: to the brain. So she was in a coma for 670 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: eight months, and that was killing me to see my 671 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 2: mother and father every day there and he was there, 672 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: and that's horrible. I wish nobody gets to see someone 673 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 2: they loved like that. And when I got the call 674 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: she died, it was almost a relief. And I don't 675 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: want to say I'm happy my sister died, because that's 676 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: not true. But she was suffering too much. And so 677 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: my sister passes away, right, So that's the number one. Right. 678 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 2: I used to think this guy was the number one 679 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: because I love him so much. But really, over the years, 680 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: really analyzing it, my sister really knocked me out the 681 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 2: box right, just to not have her in this world. 682 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: Then one of my best friends, you know, my artists, 683 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 2: when you know, one of the most loyal guys is 684 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: Big Pun. You know, we made history together and together, 685 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: you know, being Latino in this music business, you know 686 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: that we stood for so much, you know, and even 687 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: though I was on before him and I was on 688 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: my way to success, I took the back road for 689 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: him because I knew he was so much more talented 690 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 2: and I knew we need a guy like that. Years later, 691 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: now thirty twenty years later, we still hear his music 692 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 2: and feel that pride. I knew that at the time, 693 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: and so he passed away young around the same time 694 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 2: as my sister, maybe a week two weeks apart. Now 695 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 2: I'm young, I'm twenty seven, twenty eight, acting like I 696 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: know about the world, but I'm still really really young, 697 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: and so you know how scared it is to lose 698 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: a best friend, franchise player. You know, here you went 699 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 2: from being this broke kid living in this danger zone 700 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: into you know, being successful, being rich, and now the 701 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: guy you did it with his dad at twenty seven, 702 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. And then my grandfather, you know, 703 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 2: and I analyzing my family treat I'm more like my 704 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: grandfather than anybody, you know. I used to call him Cowboy. 705 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: He had a lot of respect in the hood. So 706 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: my grandfather died, so all that together just through it 707 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 2: was like a perfect storm, you know. And I never 708 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: dealt with so much death like that, And so, you know, 709 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 2: I was really in a dark place. I'm not talking 710 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: about a regular dark place, you know, sleeping in the 711 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 2: bathtub with no water running. If I looked outside and 712 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 2: there was sunny, it looked dark. You know, if someone 713 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: shoots you. I tell people all the time, you in 714 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 2: a gang. Tell you in a gang in Chicago and 715 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 2: they're trying to kill you. You do know, you can 716 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: move to Alabama and no one will know you. You 717 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: couldn't move to la You could move to New York. 718 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 2: You could move anywhere and they won't know you. The 719 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 2: problem with depression is it comes with you wherever you go. 720 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 2: So at the time I'm in depression, I'm going to Miami, 721 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to Islands. I'm going to try to erase it. 722 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: But I can't. It's with me everywhere I go. And now, 723 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 2: you know, when people say let them mourn, that means 724 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: like give them time, let them get their things together, 725 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: their bearings together. But when your best friend who just 726 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: died is the biggest rap star in the world, people 727 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: think they're doing a good thing, a good deed. So 728 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: they bring you your food. Yoh, sorry about your brother, 729 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 2: big pun man, Yo, that was my man once again. 730 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 2: It's back. Yeah. And then I'm in the car. I'm 731 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: in a car waiting at the light. The next door, 732 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 2: y'all pun he was the man they started blasting. So 733 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 2: it was so hard, right, and I considered it myself 734 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 2: to be a bright person. And so it's the only 735 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 2: way to put it is like the mind is like 736 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 2: a super complex Rubik's Q, and you just gotta And 737 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: so I never thought of I'm gonna kill myself this. 738 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: I just was like, Joe, you gotta get out of this. 739 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 2: You gotta get out of this. It's like a funk 740 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 2: and you wake up and it's a new day. Instead 741 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: of just saying it's a new day, you know, you 742 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 2: go back to oh, you know this, and then it's 743 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 2: so I went to therapy is. 744 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: That the first time you started going to say that's. 745 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 2: The only time I went to therapy. But I went 746 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 2: to therapy for like two years. I didn't tell nobody, 747 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 2: and this lady, this woman really really helped me out. 748 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: And her strategy, I guess therapists are all different. Her 749 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 2: strategy is you figure it out for you, like you'll 750 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: tell me about you, and then you just go there 751 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 2: all the time and you tell her about you, and 752 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 2: then you figure it out. You'll figure out what happened. 753 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: And the one thing that happened to me was, Uh, 754 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 2: we would do this muror in the South Bronx for 755 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: Big Punt. So you know, I started out a graffiti 756 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 2: artist and shout out the tax crew. So every year 757 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 2: they were doing new they would change the mural for 758 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: punt rest in peace punt. So I'm out there, it's 759 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 2: two years has gone by. Two dudes walk by. I 760 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 2: always say, I owe these guys so much money. And 761 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 2: one dude was like, yo, what they doing. He wasn't 762 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 2: from the neighborhood. He was like, oh, that's a big 763 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 2: pun boy. They changed it every year, he said, they 764 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 2: change it every year. It's been that long. He was like, yeah, 765 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 2: it's been two years, and I swear to God in 766 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: my brain all I heard was two years, two years, 767 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 2: two years, two years, two years, two years. And then 768 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 2: something in my mind told myself, like your joke, you've 769 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: been beating yourself up for two years. You got to 770 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 2: snap out of it. That same night, boom, I was 771 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 2: back to the way I am. Now. 772 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: Wow, you know, just. 773 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 2: Two years, Joe, you try to kill yourself. For two years, 774 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 2: you've been beating yourself up. Maybe you could have did so, 775 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 2: maybe he could have lost weight, Maybe you could have 776 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: helped your sister. Maybe you could have you know, And 777 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 2: so you go over beating yourself up. So you know, 778 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 2: it's finally was done. Two years and I run away 779 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 2: from dark thoughts and depression. Like now, I don't even 780 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: get in the area. If I ever feel something like that, 781 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 2: I'm running the other way. See people walk to it 782 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 2: for some reason, you know, But me, I run away 783 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 2: from from any type of dark times, any type of 784 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: dark moments. I move on. 785 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: Your sister, if she could talk to you today, what 786 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: do you think she'd say? 787 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 2: She'd be proud, but she also was very supportive and simple. 788 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: But you know she you know, she knew her brother 789 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 2: had a bat. She'd call me anytime or the day, 790 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 2: anytime or the day. You know, bro, I need money, 791 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 2: that car be outside. I windn'tow in five minutes, Like, yo, 792 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,439 Speaker 2: come down here you go, you know what I'm saying. 793 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 2: So she know I always had a bat, you know, 794 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 2: she she the only thing I would say. The only 795 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 2: regret my sister had with me is I used to 796 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 2: beat up her boyfriends. And so that was like a 797 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 2: major problem. Like for real though, if a guy came 798 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 2: to visit my sister, I would sitting there with a 799 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 2: baseball bat while he's sitting on the couch with her 800 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 2: and I'm looking at him. 801 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: And she always hated me for that. 802 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 2: You know. You know, I'm just telling you what she 803 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 2: you know, she wasn't feeling me on that tip. I'd 804 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: be like, you know, yo, you ain't gonna do that 805 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 2: to my sister. 806 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: And so, you know, is that your younger sister? She 807 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: was old, she was. 808 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 2: Older, but I was always you know, I'm young, but 809 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 2: you know I'm the the baby of the family, say, 810 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 2: but always the leader. I don't know, It's just that 811 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 2: was me. 812 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: I have a younger sister. I'm very protective as well, 813 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: and I could I could relate to what you were 814 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: saying about the love that you have for your sister. 815 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 2: That kind of different. Yes, the brother sister love is 816 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 2: a whole different because she really got your back. Yeah, no, no, 817 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 2: she got your back. 818 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: I can do nothing wrong in my sister's eyes. 819 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, she got your back. So when it's all said 820 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: and done, you know, God forbid. Hopefully you live with 821 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 2: your wife till you die together. But if you know, 822 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 2: you ever go through something with your wife or something 823 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 2: like that, the one woman that is going to hold 824 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: you down is your sister. 825 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: And what about Big Pun? If he was. 826 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know Big Pun, and you know 827 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 2: he was so good, like he was like he was 828 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 2: like a freaking nature bro. He was a genius, you know. 829 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 2: So I don't know. I know, I try to impress 830 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 2: him with moves I'm making musically. You know, I've always 831 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 2: been a real man. I always been a lawyer man. 832 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 2: I always stuck to the code no matter what, you know, 833 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 2: I never let the you know, Punk has this famous 834 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 2: line in the record where he says, you know, I 835 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 2: never I weigh the crown and never let it touch 836 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 2: the ground. So we never let the crown touch the ground. 837 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 2: You know, we always kept that same you know, you know, 838 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 2: but uh, I can't tell you because he was so 839 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 2: much better than me. He was just like light years 840 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 2: better than me. So he really actually taught me how 841 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 2: to make hits. Even though I discovered him. We would 842 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 2: sitting there, so he would screaming at me like, yo, 843 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 2: you're limited, you're limited, keep thinking. Switch it up at 844 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 2: the end. This like he was just so great that 845 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, he's like it was like I'm coming up 846 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 2: and he's a Shakespeare or something like he was literally 847 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 2: and he would be like, no, you got to do 848 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 2: it like this, No, like that. So I don't know, 849 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 2: you know, I've had some an thumbs, I've had hits. 850 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was too big pun standards. 851 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm telling you he was. He was. He was sleep. 852 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had that thing. 853 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 2: What is in KNARCOLEPSI or something, right, He would fall 854 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 2: asleep right on you. Right, there's a true story. He 855 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 2: would wake up and be like aass me the book. 856 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 2: He would have a whole song. He would write it 857 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 2: in his sleep. He would have a whole song to 858 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 2: start writing it. Yeah right, I mean this guy was. 859 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 2: It was phenomenal from the first time I ever heard 860 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 2: of my new Like, this guy's like the greatest, he's 861 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 2: the best, Like it was another level. 862 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you it was. I remember when we 863 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: were coming up listening to you. It was because of 864 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: you that we got introduced to Big Pun. That's how 865 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: we Yeah, he was like, yeah, is that we even 866 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: discovered who he was because we were aware I was. 867 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,720 Speaker 2: A big punt in London. He was on fire out there. 868 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: Because of you. 869 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I know. 870 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: That was the entry point for all of us that 871 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: that's how we discovered his music. But it was for 872 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: the people who were like listening, like it was for 873 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: a real listener. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't for the 874 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: master lyrics. 875 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeh. 876 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's for someone who was actually listening and was 877 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: trying to understand that. 878 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 2: You know, beautiful time. I think my best time at 879 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 2: in hip hop music, you know what I mean, just 880 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 2: growing together, becoming the first UH soloist Latino to win 881 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 2: UH to sell two million records back in them days. 882 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 2: You know, you have to go buy them records in 883 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 2: the snowstorm. You know, it was physical, it wasn't just streaming, 884 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 2: and so we were so proud of him and and 885 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 2: you know, he died so young. So that was that 886 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 2: that really devastated me to this day. You know, the 887 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 2: way the crew works is, uh, he's everywhere. So if 888 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 2: you go in my house, you see Big Punt. You 889 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 2: going my businesses, you see Big Pun. You go in 890 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: any one of the crew members' houses, Big Pun is up. 891 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 2: You know we we we never forgot them. You know 892 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 2: what's crazy is I throw this up. I'm gonna invite 893 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 2: you this year. I throw a birthday party every year 894 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 2: at forget about it. Whoever you think of is in 895 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 2: there right every year. We have fun. So if you 896 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 2: don't dance, you're not invited. We are, but you gotta dance, brother, 897 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 2: that's gotta dance. It's so and so one year a 898 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 2: reporter snuck in the party. We didn't even know. And 899 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,320 Speaker 2: so the reporter wrote for the for the post, I believe, 900 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 2: she wrote, I was in the party. It was amazing. 901 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 2: This one and that one was there. This she said. 902 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 2: They kept mentioning Big Pun every thirty seconds, like he 903 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 2: was alive at the party. And so I think you 904 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 2: would be proud of that that we make sure that 905 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 2: you know, we represent them at the highest standard. Yeah, 906 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 2: you know, as a rap guard because that's what he is. 907 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. And I'm waiting for my Terrot Squad chain 908 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: as well, and the two things I wanted as a kid. 909 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 2: That's an expensive that's an expensive everybody. Everybody was waiting 910 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 2: on that Terrace Squad train. 911 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: You know you you made us one of his kids. 912 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: That's just deal. 913 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 3: You know. 914 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 2: I remember one day I had to give my chain 915 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 2: the drake off my neck like I had it on 916 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 2: my neck, and he was like, yo, man, I always 917 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 2: wanted that. You know, this is I was like, man, 918 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 2: here you go, but that's expensive. 919 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: That's a heavy thing to give. 920 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 2: Oh that's expensive. Just uh, you know everybody. You imagine 921 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 2: how rich everybody wants a Terrace Squad chain. 922 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: We used to go get the cubics of CONEA one 923 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: and down the road DJ Cubics and. 924 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 2: People I really love it. They'd be like, yo, I 925 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 2: need that chain. I'm like, sheesh, man, you know what 926 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 2: these change costs? 927 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 928 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's beautiful, man, have some you know. Terraorce 929 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 2: Squad started out as a graffiti crew. The guys who 930 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,800 Speaker 2: started it passed away, but before they they got off graffiti, 931 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 2: they gave it to me. I never forget. I was 932 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 2: in the back of my projects. I was maybe like 933 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 2: thirteen years old, and I remember I made a pledge 934 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 2: this is gonna I didn't know it was gonna be music, 935 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 2: but it was Terror Squad is going to be the 936 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 2: biggest crew you ever seen in your life. And then 937 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,240 Speaker 2: I had my sister and our friends was like Terror 938 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 2: Squad ladies. And you know, we did this our whole life, 939 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,399 Speaker 2: you know. And I hope when I'm gone it'll stick 940 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 2: around with all our family members and all our friends. 941 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 2: You know. It means a lot to us. 942 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing to see you. So, you know, having 943 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: gone through so much trauma, loss, and I think people 944 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: underestimate how what you said, that journey of when you're 945 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,240 Speaker 1: from the streets and then you suddenly get a million 946 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,879 Speaker 1: dollars through a talent that you have and then it's 947 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: like you don't know what to. 948 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 2: Do with it. You don't know how it works, what 949 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 2: to do it. You mean that we need financial literacy. 950 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, financial you know what to do even today, even 951 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: today like now when influences TikTok Instagram, like people are 952 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: coming into wealth so early in their life without what they. 953 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 2: Say, So that's a great question. I don't know if 954 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 2: it's a. 955 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: Question is I don't know questions. I was just framing it. 956 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 2: Who are we? This is the problem, it's a fat 957 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 2: Joe is always open for advice young artists. You know 958 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 2: you do it all the time. You can still do it. 959 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 2: You can hit me in the d M. I'll talk 960 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 2: to you. I'll give you advice. My advice is free 961 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 2: all the time. But who are we to tell a 962 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,760 Speaker 2: young guy or young girl who had nothing in life? 963 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 2: Let's take a sexy red? Who are who are we 964 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 2: to tell a sexy red who came from nothing and 965 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 2: now she's making millions of dollars and she's enjoying it 966 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,760 Speaker 2: with a friensis. Who are who are me to tell 967 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 2: her that she's wrong? Who are we to tell her anything? 968 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 2: She made it. It's a miracle. It's a miracle that 969 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 2: she made it coming from where she's coming from. So 970 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 2: I can't talk down on them or tell them, yo, 971 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,720 Speaker 2: don't do that or whatever. Now, if you want advice, 972 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I did. And I blew a 973 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,760 Speaker 2: lot of money. You know, it's just now in life 974 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 2: that I'm understanding, you know, investments and taking care of 975 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 2: my money and taking care of my family on another level. 976 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 2: And I still have a problem with Louis Vauton and 977 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 2: Gucci and diamonds, and you know, I'm still attracted to 978 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 2: the stuff, you know, but still in all you know, 979 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 2: I look at all these young artists, I don't I 980 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,880 Speaker 2: can't tell them, you know now if they asked me, yo, gee, 981 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 2: what you think I should do, and then I'll sit 982 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 2: down and be like, yo, go buy a bunch of 983 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 2: Subways franchise, Go buy some wingstops, Go buy some McDonald's. 984 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,839 Speaker 2: You know something that you because artists. The sad thing 985 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 2: about hip hop is you could go from one day 986 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,919 Speaker 2: being the biggest artists in the world getting two hundred 987 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,879 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand the show, and four years later you're 988 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 2: not hoting, You're getting fifteen thousand show. That's a big disparacy. 989 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 2: And so I don't know why. I don't know why 990 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 2: it's like that, why they don't value the artists where 991 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 2: the money value stays up. But that's how it is 992 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 2: in hip hop. That's just a reality. And so so 993 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 2: many of us artists are driven off of our performance money. 994 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 2: I will show our touring that when something goes wrong, 995 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 2: like COVID. You in the house scared to death because 996 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,319 Speaker 2: you can't go out there and make the money. So 997 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 2: you got to diversify. You gotta buy businesses, you got 998 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,360 Speaker 2: to investments, You gotta do different things so that money 999 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,839 Speaker 2: could come in through all different angles. And so that's 1000 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,560 Speaker 2: something I learned at at older age. You know, invest 1001 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 2: in sneaker stores, invest in that, invest in this, invest 1002 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 2: in that, and so that way money comes in from 1003 00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,759 Speaker 2: all over. 1004 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: I think we have to learn from that hindsight because 1005 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: even for me, when I started out as a creator, 1006 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: I could see YouTubers who and YouTube's are the same, right, 1007 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,319 Speaker 1: like one year it's amazing and then the next year 1008 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,719 Speaker 1: it's not. And I saw so many people who came 1009 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: before me that were paying off their parents' mortgages one year, 1010 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: but then the next year they didn't have money to 1011 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,760 Speaker 1: pay their own rent because it switches up so fast 1012 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 1: it is, and you just see that happening to people overnight, 1013 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 1: and it's painful because their intention was good. They were 1014 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 1: trying to take care of their family, but now it's 1015 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,319 Speaker 1: that long term they've lost out. It doesn't work well. 1016 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,239 Speaker 2: You know, we have a thing in Terre Squad. We 1017 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 2: always take care of him, and always take care of 1018 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,280 Speaker 2: mothers and dad's. You know, if your mother and dad 1019 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 2: wasn't rich or didn't have to take care of you, 1020 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,800 Speaker 2: we take care of them. And so it's a great 1021 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 2: honor to look at my brothers and know that each 1022 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 2: one of them take care of their mother, take care 1023 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 2: of their father, you know, because we at this age. 1024 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 2: You know, if we fifty years old, now you know 1025 00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 2: they're eighty years old. So these times you gotta really 1026 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,760 Speaker 2: look out for them. And so I love a person 1027 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 2: that actually takes care of their mother, takes care of 1028 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 2: their father. Now, if they're wealthy or they have money 1029 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 2: at the time, great, nothing wrong with that. But if 1030 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 2: they ain't got it, you know, I'm more afford taking. 1031 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,799 Speaker 2: You know, I went through a tax problem one time. 1032 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 2: It wasn't really my fault, but I did. And the 1033 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 2: biggest thing I got scared of when they told me 1034 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 2: you didn't pay your mortgage is you didn't pay your 1035 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 2: car notes. You didn't this I had accountant. I'm sending 1036 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 2: them wire transfers and he's robbing me. He's not paying 1037 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 2: my bills. But my biggest fear at that moment was like, 1038 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 2: oh my god, my mother's house. We didn't pay the 1039 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 2: mortgage for my mother's house. That would have been the 1040 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 2: worst thing that ever happened to me, for somebody to 1041 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,319 Speaker 2: show up to my mother's house and throw out my 1042 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,000 Speaker 2: mother and father. I cared about their house, and they 1043 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 2: live in a modest house. I care about their house 1044 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 2: more than mine. That's just it's just me. 1045 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that like when it feels like everyone's like 1046 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: you're trying to take care of people with an accounting friend, 1047 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: people stealing from you. 1048 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean that man, they stole from me a lot 1049 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,919 Speaker 2: of times. But I realized is just not too many 1050 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 2: people can have access to money and not have the 1051 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 2: temptation of stealing. And so you learned, you know, I'm 1052 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,880 Speaker 2: a very trusting person. You know, I'm a very trusting person. 1053 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 2: So but you learn that these guys they can't handle that. 1054 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 2: And so catching your best friends stealing from you, catching managers, 1055 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 2: catching accounts. We just caught an accountant. Now we shoot 1056 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 2: them with millions of dollars and so now they got 1057 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 2: to pay back, you know, through the insurance or whatever 1058 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,319 Speaker 2: the case may be. But we went through a lawsuit, 1059 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 2: forensic account these people, you bring them to your house 1060 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 2: like their family, you around their kids like and you know, 1061 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 2: and they and they're stealing your money and so and 1062 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 2: you're so busy working trying to get to money that 1063 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 2: you ain't busy watching. Oh I got five dollars deposited 1064 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 2: in the bank, I got this and this and that. 1065 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, uh, they pray on you 1066 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 2: when they figure out, oh, he ain't watching. Yeah, but 1067 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 2: everybody comes out in the in the wash, Well, don't 1068 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,160 Speaker 2: come out in the rash, comes out in the rents. 1069 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,840 Speaker 1: How hard is it to stay trusting and soft hearted 1070 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,560 Speaker 1: and a good person when when. 1071 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 2: These things happen, that's just who I am. 1072 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: You're going to carry on being that way because that's 1073 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: who you want to be. 1074 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,120 Speaker 2: That's who I am. A lot of times, you know, uh, 1075 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 2: people done stuff to me, not just still, but just 1076 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 2: where you know, me and my wife have discussions and 1077 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 2: she's like, yo, don't change you. Know. You are who 1078 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 2: you are. You can't let people change you because a 1079 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 2: lot of times we dread things and people do horrible 1080 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,560 Speaker 2: stuff to us, and then you yourself could become that person, 1081 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 2: you know, and so we're not doing it. You know, 1082 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 2: I told you the story of I was bullied and 1083 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 2: then became the bully. And so we don't let people 1084 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,880 Speaker 2: affect who are true morals and our true character is 1085 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, it happens, hurts you move on. 1086 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, what what we often 1087 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 1: judging a person is who we become because you're thinking 1088 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,400 Speaker 1: about that quality in them so much that all of 1089 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: a sudden that becomes your reality. 1090 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Because you repeat that, you think like, yo, you know, yeah, 1091 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,880 Speaker 2: they did it to me, I'm gonna do it to 1092 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,399 Speaker 2: somebody else. And it's just a cycle that you got 1093 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 2: to snap yourself out of, you know, and people you don't, 1094 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 2: you know, you don't, you don't think that that's cool 1095 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,320 Speaker 2: because you've seen somebody do that. You know, you gotta 1096 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 2: you gotta say this is this. But that's how the 1097 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 2: story to my life is all about taking the negative 1098 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 2: and turning it into a positive and stopping the years 1099 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 2: of being poor, not being successful, not going to another 1100 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 2: level of my family treat From here on, I want 1101 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 2: to pass it down to my sons, my daughters, my 1102 00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 2: grandkids and how and give them that motivation to change 1103 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 2: that family tree because before me, everybody, you know, we 1104 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 2: hard workers, but they end up being you know, poor 1105 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,359 Speaker 2: regular people, and so that's that's that's why I press on. 1106 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 2: That's why I'm in six cities and in one week. 1107 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, you know, it's not greed, it's 1108 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 2: just taking it to another level so that generations behind 1109 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 2: me could follow that example. I don't know if it's 1110 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 2: I'm not telling you I got money the last generations. 1111 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 2: I'm telling you that I've given them that motivation where 1112 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,240 Speaker 2: they can say, my grandfather, you know, my great grandfather, 1113 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 2: this guy he worked six days out the week. He 1114 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 2: flew like the fly, he flew he did, you know, 1115 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,600 Speaker 2: just that, you know, to change the whole mindset of 1116 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,960 Speaker 2: our family tree before me. Yeah. 1117 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's powerful and needed because I feel like 1118 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: if people are seeing, like even you at your career, 1119 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: at this stage, you're still working that hard. And that's 1120 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,960 Speaker 1: why I see when I look at people in the 1121 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 1: industry that come on the show that have been famous 1122 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,840 Speaker 1: for three decades, you know, making money for three decades, 1123 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: and they're still working harder today. 1124 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 2: You know, there was guys like that, oh what's my man? 1125 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 2: Richard Simmons, Richard Simmons. It was guys that I wish 1126 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,000 Speaker 2: I knew their names that they used to have something 1127 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 2: called was it family squares or oh back in the days. Well, 1128 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,800 Speaker 2: they would take these squares like it's like tic tac toe, 1129 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 2: and they don't have your celebrity that've been around for 1130 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 2: thirty years and the damn that's very famous in America, 1131 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,520 Speaker 2: Like now we got hip hop squares, but Hollywood squares. 1132 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 2: So they would take Jay Shetty twenty years from now 1133 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 2: and you'll be up there answering the question of this. 1134 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,280 Speaker 2: So they've been doing this a long time. You know, 1135 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 2: there's been celebrities that held one. You know, you'll always 1136 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,160 Speaker 2: get a Danny DeVito Jersey Subs commercial or something like. 1137 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 2: These guys been sticking around a while. And so that's 1138 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 2: fat Joe. You know, I'm mady here. You know I 1139 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,479 Speaker 2: want to stick around. You know, I want to bump 1140 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 2: into you in a red carpet. I wanted this, you know, 1141 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,400 Speaker 2: that's that's what I want to do. 1142 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I mean talking you were talking 1143 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,880 Speaker 1: about kid taking care of your parents. A big fut 1144 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 1: for you is it was taken care of, like you said, 1145 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 1: future generations. And I know that you are father to 1146 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,160 Speaker 1: a child who has Down syndrome autism and as far 1147 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 1: as I know, at least at the time, you were 1148 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 1: a single parent for a while, or maybe even. 1149 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 2: Well, I'm a kid, I was a kid. We was 1150 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 2: like nineteen, you know, so me and his mother was together. 1151 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 2: Then we broke up and there was this one rainy 1152 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 2: day she walked up. We had some like makeup sex. 1153 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 2: She comes back, she says she's pregnant. I tell I 1154 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 2: don't want to be with you, you know, and she's like, no, 1155 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 2: this is my baby, this, this that. So thank god 1156 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,760 Speaker 2: we didn't have an abortion. But Joey's born and it's crazy. 1157 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,760 Speaker 2: He's born in the same hospital that my sister caught 1158 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 2: the coma in prong Lebanon Hospital. So if I get shot, 1159 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to another hospital. I'm not going there, trust me. 1160 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,480 Speaker 2: And so, uh, you know, the doctor comes and says, listen, 1161 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 2: we got bad news. I'll never forget that. And he 1162 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,360 Speaker 2: sat me down at her and she was like, oh, 1163 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 2: I can't raise this baby. We got to give him 1164 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,600 Speaker 2: away for adoption. And then my mother and father just 1165 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 2: jumped in, right, I mean, it was like, oh, no, 1166 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 2: this is our baby. We're not doing that. And so 1167 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 2: we've had full custody since he was born. I got 1168 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 2: to thank my mother and my father for pretty much 1169 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,440 Speaker 2: raising Joey. You know, he's he's their kid. You know, 1170 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 2: he's my kid, you know, but he's their kid. You know. 1171 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 2: My father to this day sleeps next to Joey, you know, 1172 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,800 Speaker 2: in the same bed, you know. And now my father's older, 1173 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,160 Speaker 2: and Joey watches him. So Joey, if my father sleeps 1174 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,880 Speaker 2: too long, whatever, Joey's in his wheelchair, he's watching my father. 1175 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 2: He didn't want my office outside telling jokes. He's happy 1176 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,200 Speaker 2: that he's telling jokes. You know. He's a very smart kid, 1177 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 2: and we just say he's our biggest blessing. I feel 1178 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,880 Speaker 2: like if I would have abandoned Joey, I would have 1179 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 2: never had the success I have, you know. I feel like, 1180 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to deal with a special needs kid, 1181 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 2: but they bring so much joy to the world. And 1182 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 2: if you know me and you we get sad, we 1183 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,240 Speaker 2: get happy. We're talking about depression. This guy is always happy, 1184 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 2: like he's in the state of happy. You know. Sure, 1185 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 2: we want to, you know, if he could have talked, 1186 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 2: if he could have walked, you know, but you know, 1187 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,800 Speaker 2: like I tell you, part of my process of not 1188 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:50,440 Speaker 2: being depressed, not being mad, not blaming God. Right, he 1189 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,680 Speaker 2: is always saying the right dealing with this is what 1190 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,840 Speaker 2: it is. We did it, and we got to look 1191 01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 2: forward towards the positive. And so so ever, you know, 1192 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 2: blame God. I never blamed nobody. I just said, Yo, 1193 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 2: this is what it is. We love him, he's ours. 1194 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 2: We're gonna take care of him forever. We're gonna make 1195 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,640 Speaker 2: sure he's great, he's loved, he's happy. And so that's 1196 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,720 Speaker 2: how we deal with Joey. And another thing, I never, 1197 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 2: you know, blame God for anything. You know, I accept 1198 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 2: the good and the bad. You know, my belief and 1199 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,080 Speaker 2: my faith in God is just is legendary, and I 1200 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,920 Speaker 2: believe that all our blessings come from God. You know, 1201 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 2: that's my true belief in my heart. And so just 1202 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,600 Speaker 2: let your audience know that. 1203 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's beautiful. I mean with Joey specifically, like 1204 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 1: what was the most challenging phase, And because I know 1205 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,600 Speaker 1: you do a lot to say in power communities, raise 1206 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: awareness about this because of course. 1207 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 2: Man, it's hard, you know. And then going back to 1208 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 2: the hip hop ravotal being tough. So for many years 1209 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 2: I wouldn't let people see Joey or nothing like that 1210 01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,840 Speaker 2: because hip hop was so beef prob. You know, I 1211 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 2: never wanted nobody to disrespect my son and so but 1212 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 2: you know, we always you know, I had this loving relationship. 1213 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 2: You know. The bottom line is, you know, in life, 1214 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,200 Speaker 2: whatever God throws at you, or whatever they throw at you, 1215 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,440 Speaker 2: you gotta deal with it. You got to man up, 1216 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,480 Speaker 2: you know. And I'm proud of the job we've done 1217 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,520 Speaker 2: with Joey. He's just a beautiful kid, you know, and 1218 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 2: you know he knows he's the dawn. You know. When 1219 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,200 Speaker 2: we go to dinner with my son and my daughter, 1220 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,520 Speaker 2: you know, he sits at the corner of the table 1221 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,040 Speaker 2: and looks at them like this my little brother, this 1222 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,920 Speaker 2: my little sister. You know he knows that. So he's 1223 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:42,880 Speaker 2: the biggest blessing. 1224 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,480 Speaker 1: That's beautiful, man. It sounds like you know, again I'm 1225 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,840 Speaker 1: going back to what you said at the start of 1226 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,160 Speaker 1: the interview, is that the guy who made the music, 1227 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: the fact Joe that make that music, is very different 1228 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 1: to the Joe that I'm sitting with. Twenty twenty four. 1229 01:03:55,240 --> 01:04:01,200 Speaker 1: What are the biggest differences in what's love of lean 1230 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,440 Speaker 1: back all the way out? Like, what's the difference between 1231 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: that and. 1232 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 2: All I can tell you is that with every one 1233 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,040 Speaker 2: of those songs, you describe my backwards to the wall. 1234 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 2: I was fighting for my life. The only way I 1235 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,160 Speaker 2: knew how to make it was through music, and so 1236 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:23,120 Speaker 2: I channeled these energy and this music, and thank god, 1237 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,480 Speaker 2: they became anthems and hits. But uh, you know, fat Joe, 1238 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 2: the person has always been different. You know, I've always 1239 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:35,360 Speaker 2: been a family man. I've always been for my community. 1240 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,520 Speaker 2: You know, before we had social media, before we had things. 1241 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 2: You know, I've been raising money for people. I've been 1242 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 2: giving back to my community, computers to schools, libraries, you know. 1243 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,480 Speaker 2: I have a business in the Bronx Now was a 1244 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 2: sneakers called Sneaker store called up in y Cea. We 1245 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,320 Speaker 2: have a school in the store where the kids come 1246 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,560 Speaker 2: after school, they eat, they learn computers, they get mentored. 1247 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 2: They I mean, we don't stop. You know, just last 1248 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,720 Speaker 2: week we gave to Haiti. Right Rich, My best friend 1249 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,520 Speaker 2: Rich is Haitian. So the turmoil and everything that's going 1250 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:16,120 Speaker 2: on in Haiti where kids aren't famine, you know, and 1251 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,640 Speaker 2: for some reason, I feel like they don't get this awareness. 1252 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,000 Speaker 2: I feel like they don't get this same love as 1253 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,040 Speaker 2: anybody else. So we raised a bunch of food for 1254 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,439 Speaker 2: Haiti and money, and so you know, we've been doing 1255 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,400 Speaker 2: this when the cameras is off. Man. You know, I 1256 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 2: just feel so blessed that I'm able right now when 1257 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,120 Speaker 2: I cut it with you if I want to eat 1258 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 2: a steak or lobsocky eat it, whatever I want, I 1259 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,640 Speaker 2: to get it. I'm not feeling bad about that I 1260 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 2: worked for it, you know, but I do believe in Yo, 1261 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 2: what about dumb you know what I'm saying. What about 1262 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 2: taking care of the less fortunate? What about providing for 1263 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 2: the people. So we've been like this whatever, it's just 1264 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 2: now it's social media. 1265 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to be able to see it though, 1266 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,440 Speaker 1: because I feel like, like we were talking about, there 1267 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,760 Speaker 1: are so many dark moments in your life, but even 1268 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 1: see with you for a few moments, I'm like, you 1269 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: have a light energy about you right like as in you. 1270 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 2: Know, what's so crazy is there's this video going viral. 1271 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,480 Speaker 2: I don't know why something here is going viral. I 1272 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,200 Speaker 2: don't know what it is. You can't put a camera 1273 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,000 Speaker 2: on fat Joe and it that just don't go viral. 1274 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,040 Speaker 2: It's going There's no way around there. And so I 1275 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,000 Speaker 2: didn't know. I said, it's going. I don't know what 1276 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,440 Speaker 2: to tell you is something's gone right. And so I 1277 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,000 Speaker 2: did an interview maybe a year ago, right, And I 1278 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,440 Speaker 2: remember I was tired and the guy came up to me. 1279 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,400 Speaker 2: I was at Vegas and I wanted to get some sleep. 1280 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,160 Speaker 2: I flew and he's like, fat Joe man, I got 1281 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,200 Speaker 2: a podcast. I want you to do it. And somehow 1282 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 2: I allowed them in my room, dead tired, and he 1283 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,440 Speaker 2: interviewed me and I said, I told the story about 1284 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,520 Speaker 2: one time when I was young. You know, when I 1285 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,760 Speaker 2: was in high school, I robbed my whole gym class. 1286 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 2: So I stuck up the gym class. It's like seventy students. 1287 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,920 Speaker 2: He says, without a gun. I said there, without a gun. 1288 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,000 Speaker 2: You know, I robbed everybody. In fact, the guys that 1289 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,400 Speaker 2: robbed helped me carry the jets and the walkman's and 1290 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,160 Speaker 2: stuff outside school. I couldn't even carry. It was seventy, 1291 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,640 Speaker 2: you know. But it was it was. It was it 1292 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 2: was power tripping. It was it was like see if 1293 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,400 Speaker 2: I could do it right. But in any case, I 1294 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 2: told this story right, And now all of a sudden, 1295 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,920 Speaker 2: I don't know yesterday and today it's been virabl Mania 1296 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,920 Speaker 2: like and everybody's like, oh, this guy's a liar, Like 1297 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,680 Speaker 2: I can't be like, you know, it's that type of thing. 1298 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,640 Speaker 2: But I looked at it, uh today this morning when 1299 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,120 Speaker 2: I got in the car, and I said, man, it's crazy. 1300 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,720 Speaker 2: You believe this guy who tells this story raises food 1301 01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,000 Speaker 2: and money for Haiti just last weekend and gets back 1302 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,200 Speaker 2: to the community and this and that. It's just such 1303 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:48,280 Speaker 2: a contradiction. And so UH Puerto Rico, we sent a 1304 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,240 Speaker 2: million pounds of UH. We send a million pounds of 1305 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,480 Speaker 2: women's hygiens food water when they had the hurricane, you know, 1306 01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,960 Speaker 2: it was four airplanes we sent them over there. Just 1307 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 2: last year, some Muslims from the Bronx UH seventeen of 1308 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,120 Speaker 2: them died and the fire. We raised over two million 1309 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,120 Speaker 2: dollars for them. And so we just constantly but you 1310 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,360 Speaker 2: know me, it's like to the point out there, be careful, 1311 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,519 Speaker 2: careful what you wish for, because soon as something happened, 1312 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,080 Speaker 2: they knocking on that door and they're like yo, Joe, 1313 01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,200 Speaker 2: And I'm like a and I'm with you guys. What 1314 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,360 Speaker 2: we're doing, man, How we're raising the money, How we 1315 01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,800 Speaker 2: gonna you know, how we're gonna make this happen. But 1316 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,200 Speaker 2: I love that, you know. I tell you a story. 1317 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,360 Speaker 2: One day, I'm driving by myself and I'm in the 1318 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,519 Speaker 2: Rose Royce and I gotta get gas and I pull 1319 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,920 Speaker 2: over in the Bronx. That's where I'm from. You let 1320 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 2: me telling. I'm the King of the Bronx. And so 1321 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,840 Speaker 2: I go to the Bronx, I go to gas station. 1322 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,719 Speaker 2: I go to the gas station to get me a water. 1323 01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,320 Speaker 2: When I'm coming out as a homeless guy there. Now, 1324 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,680 Speaker 2: this guy ain't homeless by choice. He ain't one of 1325 01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,240 Speaker 2: these hoboes. He's homeless, you know all you want. He's 1326 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:05,200 Speaker 2: a real man. What's in right? And so he comes 1327 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:11,400 Speaker 2: fat Joe, and I said, could we curse on this? Yeah, Joe, 1328 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:17,360 Speaker 2: and you fly mother for you? You fly mother? Right? 1329 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,400 Speaker 2: He's dead homeless, Like he says, I don't want no money. 1330 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 2: I don't want no money. So I'm like, yo, what's up? 1331 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 2: He's like, I just want you to know a homeless 1332 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,080 Speaker 2: man is the closest to the street. We know what 1333 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,479 Speaker 2: you do out here for us, we know how you 1334 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,840 Speaker 2: take care of us. Or I got so emotional that 1335 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 2: day driving home, I was like, well that's what it's 1336 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,479 Speaker 2: about when you got a homeless dude talking about Yo. 1337 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,080 Speaker 2: I don't want no money, but I know what you 1338 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 2: do for us. I know how you take care of us. 1339 01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,479 Speaker 2: I'm like, Wow, that's what it's all about. You know 1340 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:52,000 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 1341 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:57,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, And that's I think doing good in silence 1342 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:03,000 Speaker 1: is what real doing good is because you know, then 1343 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 1: you're really doing it for the people. Then you're really 1344 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 1: doing it for the people that you're serving. 1345 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,120 Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends Muslim friends. 1346 01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:18,680 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm Christian, right, but a lot of 1347 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:25,760 Speaker 4: my best friends are Muslims and they're very successful, but 1348 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,200 Speaker 4: they have big hearts and they give back so much. 1349 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,720 Speaker 2: But and they never brag. They never say I gave this. 1350 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,160 Speaker 2: I never gave that. I never gave this. You know, 1351 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,559 Speaker 2: a whole different culture. And so you know, I've seen 1352 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,519 Speaker 2: them the way they move. You know, I love how 1353 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,480 Speaker 2: they move with how they give back to their community, 1354 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,440 Speaker 2: you know, and they're not trying to shame their community 1355 01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,680 Speaker 2: by giving back. They just you know, embrace them, give it, 1356 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,800 Speaker 2: let's move on. It's thank God that we can give back. 1357 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,560 Speaker 2: That's the whole thing. Yeah, you know, you know, you 1358 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,559 Speaker 2: got to God that he gave you an opportunity to 1359 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:07,920 Speaker 2: give back, and I believe you know, you know, I 1360 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 2: went to a funeral one time and you know it 1361 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,920 Speaker 2: hit me. It was well I knew this before that, 1362 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,200 Speaker 2: but it was Revenu Shopton. He was at a funeral 1363 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,280 Speaker 2: and he said, you know, when you die, nobody cares 1364 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 2: what car you drive, Nobody cares what clothes you had, 1365 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,240 Speaker 2: Nobody cares what this. What they want to know is 1366 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,160 Speaker 2: what did you do for the people? And it resonated 1367 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,240 Speaker 2: with me so much because it's like, what are you 1368 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,439 Speaker 2: doing for the people? You know were happy for you. 1369 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,720 Speaker 2: You're successful, you're living a great life this but what 1370 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,599 Speaker 2: did you do? How did you come back and give 1371 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 2: to the community. How did you come and change lives? 1372 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,759 Speaker 2: How did you mentor people? How did you put people 1373 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,599 Speaker 2: give them jobs? So that you know, in my store, 1374 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,479 Speaker 2: both two of my three store was own two stores. 1375 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,040 Speaker 2: Two of my stores, the managers a single parent mothers. 1376 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,000 Speaker 2: One of them just bought a first house and she 1377 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,200 Speaker 2: called me one day, I get it, yo, man, I'm 1378 01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,360 Speaker 2: so happy I bought my first house. I know what 1379 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,519 Speaker 2: you mean now, Joe, and you like, yo, you know 1380 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,080 Speaker 2: you know we're doing this so you could change your life. 1381 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:25,519 Speaker 2: So these impactful stories, uh, they make they make the legacy. Yeah, 1382 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,680 Speaker 2: they make everything. And that's how I look at it. 1383 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think do you think hip hop's changing 1384 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,360 Speaker 1: slightly when you look at like Ja Cole apologizing after 1385 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, he got involved in the beef and then 1386 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,519 Speaker 1: he stepped back and he actually said, oh, you know what, 1387 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,280 Speaker 1: I was being an old version of me. That's not me. 1388 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,680 Speaker 1: And if you saw that video, well me. 1389 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,920 Speaker 2: You know, the biggest thing is just yesterday. You know, 1390 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 2: I had one of the biggest, most dangerous rap beefs 1391 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,040 Speaker 2: with fifty cent. I was sitting next to him having 1392 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,479 Speaker 2: the best time in the world. We're brothers. I get that. 1393 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,280 Speaker 2: But when you called out in hip hop, you gotta respond. 1394 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,479 Speaker 2: And so I'm a big fan of j Cole, but 1395 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,960 Speaker 2: it started from that. So I see, he probably saw 1396 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 2: that they could get real messy and real ugly, and 1397 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,840 Speaker 2: so he said, yo, you know what, this ain't me. 1398 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,320 Speaker 2: I don't want no parts of it. But he definitely 1399 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,760 Speaker 2: got a stripe off his you know whatever, he's a 1400 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,600 Speaker 2: sergeant or whatever, he is, the corporal. They took a 1401 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 2: stripe off for that. Because of hip hop, they call 1402 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,920 Speaker 2: you out, you come out. You know, that's just what 1403 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:29,240 Speaker 2: it is. 1404 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:29,880 Speaker 1: That's a sport. 1405 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 2: That's the sport. You gotta come out. And a guy 1406 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 2: like him, he was you know, he was a king. 1407 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,240 Speaker 2: You know, he's so talented. He's a king. So it 1408 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,120 Speaker 2: was like, wow, call you did that. But I get it. 1409 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,800 Speaker 2: I get all scenarios. He was mature enough to think 1410 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,559 Speaker 2: past the lyrical beef and say, yo, this might turn physical. 1411 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,360 Speaker 1: I know, it felt like he was kind of like, 1412 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,759 Speaker 1: that's just not the energy he wants to play in anymore. 1413 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 2: That's just not I'm not mad at him, but I'm 1414 01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,920 Speaker 2: just saying from a real hip hop artist, you know, 1415 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,320 Speaker 2: you know, I've been called out and I got to 1416 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,439 Speaker 2: step up, even if I think the artist is a 1417 01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,679 Speaker 2: million times better than me. You know, it's crazy because 1418 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,040 Speaker 2: I remember one time a funny battle was ever Last. 1419 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,479 Speaker 2: You remember I jump around eminem andem eminem I think 1420 01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,280 Speaker 2: called them matter. But he came out like Everlast said 1421 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,800 Speaker 2: his rhyme. It was incredible and he moved. You know, 1422 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,639 Speaker 2: you gotta come out. You know hip hop, you're talking 1423 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,760 Speaker 2: all this, somebody calls you out, you gotta step out. 1424 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that interesting. So the sport is this. 1425 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:40,320 Speaker 2: I love Jacob. I'm a huge fan of him. I 1426 01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:44,800 Speaker 2: get it from a mature standpoint, but also, you know 1427 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,560 Speaker 2: hip hop, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta bring the 1428 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,360 Speaker 2: sword out when it's time. Got it, That's what it's about. 1429 01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we were saying earlier that you at the 1430 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,800 Speaker 1: we were in the j Lo movie together. You play 1431 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: this prominent role. 1432 01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:59,760 Speaker 2: In the movie too. 1433 01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm in the movie too. I'm a I play What 1434 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,040 Speaker 1: am I forgot? 1435 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:05,200 Speaker 2: What is it? What is got? 1436 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:05,639 Speaker 1: The big horn? 1437 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,639 Speaker 2: God or something? 1438 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I forgot which one? I forget which astrological 1439 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:15,439 Speaker 1: side of my forgot knowing the big areas? Maybe anyway, Yeah, 1440 01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,599 Speaker 1: I'm one of the astrological signs. And uh, you played 1441 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,880 Speaker 1: the therapist. But it sounds like you've been on would 1442 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,040 Speaker 1: you say you've been on some other spiritual journey, a 1443 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,320 Speaker 1: healing journey across. 1444 01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,599 Speaker 2: My whole life. I mean, God has had his hand 1445 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,040 Speaker 2: on me. I've been shot at maybe thirty forty times. 1446 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,080 Speaker 2: There's times I deserved it. There's times I seen the 1447 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,840 Speaker 2: bullet go like this and I knew God was there. 1448 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,320 Speaker 2: And so that's why you said, you Joe, why you 1449 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,880 Speaker 2: helped the people? I mean, Jesus Man, this guy saved 1450 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,600 Speaker 2: my life so many times, like stuff that I was 1451 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,240 Speaker 2: supposed to go down for and I never did. And 1452 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,679 Speaker 2: so I'm like, wow, I'm just so grateful to God 1453 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,360 Speaker 2: that I got to help the people. I gotta spread 1454 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,920 Speaker 2: the message. I gotta say I'm faithful to Jesus Christ. 1455 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,000 Speaker 2: That's my God. My Lord has save you. So uh, 1456 01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, my whole life is a spiritual journey and 1457 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:08,200 Speaker 2: and just me being the leader, uh in my community. 1458 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,560 Speaker 2: You know how many people's lives are saved. You know 1459 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,599 Speaker 2: how many killers came to me. It was like, Joe, 1460 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,040 Speaker 2: could I talk to you? And yeah, I'm homeboy, dis 1461 01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,840 Speaker 2: me I'm gonna kill him. And I sat with them 1462 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,439 Speaker 2: and literally, I tell you, I don't drink. Sat with 1463 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,479 Speaker 2: them all night and drank Hannessy with him to convince 1464 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,439 Speaker 2: him not to kill that guy. And that guy never 1465 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,600 Speaker 2: knew that I'm the guy who convinced this guy not 1466 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,240 Speaker 2: to kill that guy. I don't even like that guy, 1467 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,400 Speaker 2: but I don't want my friend to go to jail. 1468 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,400 Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, bro, he nah, that ain't there. 1469 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,439 Speaker 2: It don't worry regard to deal with that guy. This 1470 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,120 Speaker 2: usually I'm serious. I mean time talk to I've been 1471 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,519 Speaker 2: a therapist my whole life, talking people off the edge. 1472 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,760 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, like yo, you know, it's like, 1473 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,599 Speaker 2: forget about it. I got a friend now he's fighting cancer. 1474 01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 2: Shout out pretty low. It came back and went away 1475 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,120 Speaker 2: and came back. Now he just got the thing thing 1476 01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,120 Speaker 2: that and then you know, I gotta go in there. 1477 01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,840 Speaker 2: You know, now I gotta go to that. He says, 1478 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,360 Speaker 2: you're on the list. You're beside my wife. You're the 1479 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,160 Speaker 2: only person to wear on the list. He got hundreds 1480 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,000 Speaker 2: of friends, but I'm the one on the list. I'm 1481 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,560 Speaker 2: the guy that gotta go in there and pray with 1482 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,240 Speaker 2: pretty little and see him fighting the cancer and this, 1483 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,200 Speaker 2: and so it's tough for me. People don't really really 1484 01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:26,800 Speaker 2: realize in all one day's work, I'll come do this. 1485 01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 2: I'll go to an old lady I know's funeral, after 1486 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,840 Speaker 2: pay for the funeral. Uh, then go and make a 1487 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,320 Speaker 2: song later. And like, you know, my life is crazy. 1488 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 2: So it's almost like I'm like I'm a hip hop 1489 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:47,320 Speaker 2: evangelist at all times. So like this is every single day, 1490 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,120 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Way, I gotta you know, 1491 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,799 Speaker 2: I can't just be fat. Joe the Rapper I gotta 1492 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:57,200 Speaker 2: go and heal the people in a strange way. 1493 01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,840 Speaker 1: And you go on your business venture too, right, Like, 1494 01:17:58,920 --> 01:17:59,880 Speaker 1: that's part of. 1495 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,880 Speaker 2: Why fight the time when you can read? Now, listen, 1496 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,639 Speaker 2: let me tell you something. You don't need it now, 1497 01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,200 Speaker 2: but one day you might need. Your wife tells you 1498 01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,320 Speaker 2: she loves the salt and pepper. She's lying. You gotta 1499 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:19,479 Speaker 2: stay in the game, it guys, Why fight the time 1500 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,800 Speaker 2: when you can rewind? The time is rewinded. The number 1501 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,000 Speaker 2: one product we have it in Sally's Beauty is the 1502 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,599 Speaker 2: number one product man or female. And so we got 1503 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,880 Speaker 2: rid of the stigma. We got Travis Kelce on the box. 1504 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 2: We got Tyson Beckford, one of the biggest supermodels in 1505 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,880 Speaker 2: the world. We got Dj Khaled I mean, John Carlo Novella, 1506 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:45,040 Speaker 2: famous guy. And so you know, I've been the one 1507 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,320 Speaker 2: thing you can bully me or clown me for is 1508 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,599 Speaker 2: I hate white here. And so since I was twenty seven, 1509 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,519 Speaker 2: I was getting white hen and I've been using all 1510 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,360 Speaker 2: these other products. Some of them have burned my skin. 1511 01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,840 Speaker 2: Some of them it ain't true to color. If I 1512 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,240 Speaker 2: get a brown and a look purple, you know they 1513 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,759 Speaker 2: clown me. On Twitter, Joe got the shoe polys on again. 1514 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,439 Speaker 2: So I wanted to be create a product alone with 1515 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,800 Speaker 2: my sister, Carolyn Aaronson and Jeff Averison. They own it's 1516 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,400 Speaker 2: a tents, they own women's hair products. It's the billion 1517 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,519 Speaker 2: dollar company. So we're best friends. We've been on vacation 1518 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,880 Speaker 2: with each other fifteen sixteen years, my wife and her 1519 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,200 Speaker 2: best friends. And I was like, yo, candle, let's make 1520 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,519 Speaker 2: a product. And it's moving. It's gone, I think in 1521 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,040 Speaker 2: another year to be everywhere. 1522 01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,120 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, no one wants to get bully 1523 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:34,880 Speaker 1: having purple hair or that something. 1524 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,639 Speaker 2: All you got to get rid of the stigma. Even 1525 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,120 Speaker 2: me when I used to go in there, I used 1526 01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,120 Speaker 2: to sneak in there almost like I was buying my 1527 01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,240 Speaker 2: wife some When your wife tells you to buy some tampons, 1528 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,559 Speaker 2: that's like recon bro. You diving through the oss. You're 1529 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,080 Speaker 2: rolling on the floor. You don't want nobody to hear 1530 01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,040 Speaker 2: you go off to the counter's evs. You're like, yeah, 1531 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,240 Speaker 2: get me out of here. It's the same thing with 1532 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,960 Speaker 2: the hair coloring. When men's hair coloring, nobody wants to know, 1533 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,200 Speaker 2: and but we get ready to stigma of it because 1534 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,160 Speaker 2: men were really ashamed to say they were doing it. 1535 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,120 Speaker 2: But I had some artists I stepped two to get 1536 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,080 Speaker 2: on the box and they're like, yeah, I don't do that. 1537 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, like, yes, you know, you fully rewind, 1538 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,240 Speaker 2: but you gotta be kidding me. Bro, you don't use 1539 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,040 Speaker 2: the you don't use the product like you know your 1540 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,280 Speaker 2: fifty something. Your lines are like this that like your brother. 1541 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,920 Speaker 2: I you can tell one million. I'm like a detective. 1542 01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:34,040 Speaker 2: One thing I could tell is uh not in a 1543 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,479 Speaker 2: terrible way. You do what you want. It ain't my fault. 1544 01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,160 Speaker 2: But I could tell botox, and I could tell uh 1545 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,479 Speaker 2: men's hair color. I just don't know why I could 1546 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,160 Speaker 2: just tell. I'm like, all right, you know what I'm saying, 1547 01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,320 Speaker 2: and you know, let's keep it real. If you sixty 1548 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,800 Speaker 2: years old looking thirty, you're doing something, you know it 1549 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,559 Speaker 2: is what it is. You know. Smokey Robinson, the living 1550 01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,160 Speaker 2: legend of Icon. He looked twenty three still, you know, 1551 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not disrestracted him. I'm saying, you know, 1552 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,519 Speaker 2: that's what he feels, and you know he wants to 1553 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,439 Speaker 2: look young till he dies. I restract that and you 1554 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:09,760 Speaker 2: have no problem with that? Yeah? 1555 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,200 Speaker 1: For you as well? I mean you went on your 1556 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:12,240 Speaker 1: whole weight loss journey. 1557 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had like that. 1558 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad, what was that? 1559 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:15,120 Speaker 2: Like? 1560 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:15,880 Speaker 1: Why did that? 1561 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,479 Speaker 2: Because the first thing was big Pun died right from 1562 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,760 Speaker 2: my heart attack twenty something. You know, only people I 1563 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:26,600 Speaker 2: knew that god that died were like murdered and you know, 1564 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:31,040 Speaker 2: being twenty seven and dying because you weight that was 1565 01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,000 Speaker 2: like half the journey. Because I was four hundred and 1566 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,559 Speaker 2: eighty pounds at one time. That was half of it. 1567 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,120 Speaker 2: Then I had another friend who was another guy twenty 1568 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,240 Speaker 2: something years old. He passed away of a heart attack. 1569 01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,080 Speaker 2: I went to the funeral. He had a daughter like me. 1570 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,000 Speaker 2: He was funnier than me. And when I sat there, 1571 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,000 Speaker 2: it was almost like an episode of Eberdezias Scrooge where 1572 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,000 Speaker 2: he takes you back to look at your life. So 1573 01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,600 Speaker 2: I looked at it. I was like, oh, this is 1574 01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,040 Speaker 2: me next. So I had no choice but to you know, 1575 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,600 Speaker 2: work out, eat right, stay off the cabs. You know, 1576 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,080 Speaker 2: you know I went through all that. 1577 01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,200 Speaker 1: How did you set all those habits up? Because those 1578 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,640 Speaker 1: are hard things, like people struggle, like. 1579 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:12,040 Speaker 2: You gotta live. 1580 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,920 Speaker 1: It was just pure motivation from that. 1581 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,240 Speaker 2: You want to live, you know, people tell me all 1582 01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,200 Speaker 2: the time you're not so fat. YOA I just said, yo, 1583 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,640 Speaker 2: I just want to live, and so this world is 1584 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,840 Speaker 2: so beautiful that I just want to live. And every 1585 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,040 Speaker 2: day I wake up, I caught some of my friends 1586 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,040 Speaker 2: and you believe we got another day. You believe we 1587 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,679 Speaker 2: got another day. And so I just want to live. 1588 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:40,040 Speaker 2: So health is wealth, and you could be I got 1589 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:45,040 Speaker 2: a friend he caught a terrible infection. Right. This guy's 1590 01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,679 Speaker 2: a billionaire. He got a boat bigger than this building, 1591 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,160 Speaker 2: He got everything he wants. But we thought he was 1592 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,080 Speaker 2: dying for like a year and a half. They couldn't 1593 01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,640 Speaker 2: find this affection. He got skinny. He was just IV's 1594 01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,760 Speaker 2: on him, this and this and that, and so thank 1595 01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,280 Speaker 2: god he snapped back and they found it what it was. 1596 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,639 Speaker 2: But I mean, that's the true meaning of no health 1597 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,200 Speaker 2: is wealth. If you ain't got your health and you 1598 01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,200 Speaker 2: got all the money in the world, you can smile 1599 01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,519 Speaker 2: at it all you want. But if you ain't got 1600 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,960 Speaker 2: your health, you know you ain't got nothing. 1601 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:16,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, how long did it take you? 1602 01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:16,559 Speaker 3: Like? 1603 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,320 Speaker 1: What was that price? 1604 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,639 Speaker 2: Years? Bro? Yes, it was years. I used to at 1605 01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,080 Speaker 2: one time, when I was really on it, I used 1606 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,080 Speaker 2: to work out maybe. 1607 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,799 Speaker 1: Three times a day, three times a day, three. 1608 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,280 Speaker 2: Times a day. I was like addicted. And if I 1609 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 2: flew to Vegas to do a show, I'd go straight 1610 01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 2: in the gym. You know, I wouldn't need a cracker. 1611 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,080 Speaker 2: There was that one time I wouldn't need a cracker. 1612 01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,280 Speaker 2: I wouldn't need it like I was just like, you know, 1613 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,439 Speaker 2: and every day with the trainer, my man his name 1614 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,320 Speaker 2: was the Mind Muscle Connection. He'd be like buying muscle connection, 1615 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,879 Speaker 2: and he would come and do all that stuff, pushing 1616 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,280 Speaker 2: the eighteen wheeler tire in the middle of ninety degree 1617 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,519 Speaker 2: weather box just you know, I did it all, you know. 1618 01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,360 Speaker 2: And and then eventually you learn how to eat, because 1619 01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:03,800 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is the carbs just 1620 01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,120 Speaker 2: killing us. So it's bread when you eat it, say 1621 01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:11,360 Speaker 2: you take a salty pretzel, it turns into sugar, Rice 1622 01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:16,599 Speaker 2: turns into sugar, pasta turns into sugar. All these things 1623 01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,120 Speaker 2: you don't know. And I met people who say, you know, 1624 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,559 Speaker 2: I'm diabetic, and they like, I don't even eat sweets. 1625 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:27,160 Speaker 2: But they don't realize that these carbs they're eating is 1626 01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:30,720 Speaker 2: actually going in your body as sugar. And so I 1627 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,479 Speaker 2: had to teach myself how to eat, you know, Now 1628 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,559 Speaker 2: every time I eat, I eat defensively. If I eat bad, 1629 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,200 Speaker 2: it's because I really want to eat bad bother than 1630 01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,080 Speaker 2: that defense. So I'm like, if I get a rice 1631 01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:47,519 Speaker 2: in chicken. So yesterday I bought a it's kind of 1632 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,479 Speaker 2: whack too or yellow rice with lobster, right, and then 1633 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,200 Speaker 2: I brought it to my house. I ate the lobster 1634 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,640 Speaker 2: and might have touched the rice like tip tip the 1635 01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:02,639 Speaker 2: whole thing in the garbage. Know, if if I eat sushi, 1636 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,439 Speaker 2: the least rice in the world, don't try to bring 1637 01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,520 Speaker 2: the rice. This this that everything I'm eating is defense. 1638 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,720 Speaker 2: Everything is defense. Everything is like yo, try to stay 1639 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,360 Speaker 2: away from the cab. Try to stay away from the car. 1640 01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:15,479 Speaker 2: Get the chicken with. 1641 01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:16,920 Speaker 1: The amazing transformation. 1642 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,439 Speaker 2: It's like the way you brush your teeth. Hopefully everybody 1643 01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,320 Speaker 2: here brushes their teeth as soon as you wake up 1644 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:26,960 Speaker 2: twice a day. As soon as you wake up, you 1645 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,920 Speaker 2: gotta brush your teeth, right, that's number one, right, And 1646 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,439 Speaker 2: so that's how I eat now. Now I eat like 1647 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,439 Speaker 2: you know, even if I went and got a sandwich 1648 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,280 Speaker 2: right now, somehow I would eat one part of the 1649 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,280 Speaker 2: bread in the three parts of the bread, it's still there. 1650 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,320 Speaker 2: But I ate the meat. That's how we do, right, Rich, 1651 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,320 Speaker 2: That's how we do all the time. 1652 01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,080 Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's inspiring for others as well. That's weird 1653 01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:51,600 Speaker 1: making it. 1654 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,479 Speaker 2: I still feel like me, So even though I slimmed up, 1655 01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,759 Speaker 2: I still feel like the same person. So when people 1656 01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,800 Speaker 2: tell me all the time, yo, Joe, you know, I'm like, 1657 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,599 Speaker 2: what are they talking about? Like, I'm still what's that movie? Hello? Show? 1658 01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,320 Speaker 2: You don't know? How shout? Shallow? How man I look 1659 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,360 Speaker 2: in the mirror? I'm still fat, Joe. I'm like, Yo, 1660 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,280 Speaker 2: this day they'd be like, yo, you knows. Wait not 1661 01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,639 Speaker 2: so fat. Job'll be like, Yo, what's these guys talking about? 1662 01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,040 Speaker 2: I'm shallow? How you know? It's crazy? 1663 01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,680 Speaker 1: It's great, Joe, It's been such a joy talking to you, man. 1664 01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, your energy. We we end 1665 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,960 Speaker 1: every episode with a final five. These have to be 1666 01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,200 Speaker 1: answered in one word to one sentence maximum. As a 1667 01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,559 Speaker 1: poet and a rapper, I'm sure this is very doable, 1668 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,040 Speaker 1: but fat Joe, these are your fast final five. The 1669 01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,840 Speaker 1: question one is what is the best advice you've ever 1670 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:40,719 Speaker 1: heard or received? 1671 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:47,240 Speaker 2: Don't stop keep going? And that's that's that's from DJ Kelly. 1672 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:51,400 Speaker 1: Nice stop keep going that they want you to stop, 1673 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,880 Speaker 1: they want you to start. 1674 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,640 Speaker 2: He's you know, he's a guy, I tell them, and 1675 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,240 Speaker 2: he said, you can't just can't impress Kelly. So I 1676 01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,639 Speaker 2: told him, Yo, I just got a TV show. Don't stop, 1677 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,920 Speaker 2: keep going, keep going. So he keeps me motivating. I 1678 01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:06,400 Speaker 2: like that. Okay. 1679 01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,000 Speaker 1: Second question, what's the worst advice you've ever had or 1680 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:09,439 Speaker 1: received it? 1681 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:15,080 Speaker 2: I would say the worst advice average received was drugs 1682 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:21,519 Speaker 2: are good. Yo, These drugs are good. Nah, I was, 1683 01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:22,280 Speaker 2: I'm good. 1684 01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,240 Speaker 1: Question number three, If they make a movie about your life, 1685 01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:28,000 Speaker 1: who's gonna play you? 1686 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:33,160 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a young, handsome, Spanish Latino guy for sure, 1687 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,240 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna pick them out. I'm gonna make sure 1688 01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,160 Speaker 2: this guy is fly as hell. But I don't believe 1689 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,200 Speaker 2: we have one out there yet. I don't believe the 1690 01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:46,080 Speaker 2: guy who plays Fat Joe is a star. Yet. It'll 1691 01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,759 Speaker 2: be some somebody will host do a casting. 1692 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:50,759 Speaker 1: They're not born yet. 1693 01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,759 Speaker 2: They're born, but we don't know them yet. They're walking 1694 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,600 Speaker 2: around Brooklyn, they're walking around LA they're walking around Chicago 1695 01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,679 Speaker 2: aspiring artists, but they haven't been on TV or movies yet. 1696 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:03,720 Speaker 2: I've never seen a guy on TV and said, oh 1697 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:04,559 Speaker 2: this Fat Joe. 1698 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, question them before when you were referring 1699 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,080 Speaker 1: to movies that it feels like your life has been Sometimes, 1700 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,960 Speaker 1: what's a movie that's already out there that you think 1701 01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,040 Speaker 1: is the best depiction of what it was like? I'm 1702 01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:24,240 Speaker 1: a movie guy, Yeah, I'm a movie I love movies. Bronxtown, Godfather, 1703 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:25,400 Speaker 1: Godfather guy. 1704 01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,559 Speaker 2: Right now I'm at that Michael Cole, I'm saying, I 1705 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,280 Speaker 2: gotta move a solace now. This is tricky out here. 1706 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,280 Speaker 2: I gotta be Michael right now. It's so crazy. Just 1707 01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,160 Speaker 2: last week, Uh, I was thinking to myself, I said 1708 01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,639 Speaker 2: that right now, this is this, this is Michael Coley 1709 01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,040 Speaker 2: on time. It's just so wicked out there. You gotta 1710 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,479 Speaker 2: think like Michael, you know what I mean? So I 1711 01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:52,920 Speaker 2: would say Godfather, But Bronxtail is definitely, uh, one of 1712 01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,040 Speaker 2: my favorite movies of all time. I learned a lot 1713 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,360 Speaker 2: from Bronxteill. You know, I got shot one time. I 1714 01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,160 Speaker 2: know we can't go into that now. We did, but 1715 01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,440 Speaker 2: the guy owed me ten dollars and I kept harassing him, 1716 01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,320 Speaker 2: and the guy was so scared of me that he 1717 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,599 Speaker 2: came back and shot me out of fear. So you've 1718 01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,280 Speaker 2: seen the movie Bronx Taill when he kept Colodial, kept 1719 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,519 Speaker 2: chasing the guy that owed him two dollars, and Sonny 1720 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,680 Speaker 2: the Dawn told him, y'all you got rid of him 1721 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,400 Speaker 2: for two dollars. I should have learned that in the box. 1722 01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:24,200 Speaker 2: You know. So I love movies because I always learned 1723 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,080 Speaker 2: so much from movies. Yeah. 1724 01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,960 Speaker 1: Nice and fifte and final question. If you could create 1725 01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,519 Speaker 1: one law that everyone in the world had to follow, 1726 01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:32,320 Speaker 1: what would it be? 1727 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,240 Speaker 2: One law that everybody else it would be give back 1728 01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,960 Speaker 2: to the lext fortunate. You know, I got friends that 1729 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,960 Speaker 2: are billionaires, and I got a friend I can't tell 1730 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:49,240 Speaker 2: you who he is. He's bigger than everything, bigger than 1731 01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,719 Speaker 2: rapping everything. This guy's big. His backyard is the beach. 1732 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,719 Speaker 2: He has like maybe a two hundred million dollar house 1733 01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,479 Speaker 2: in the backyard is beach. Got published over sixty books. 1734 01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,920 Speaker 2: You read his books, and he told me, you know, 1735 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,520 Speaker 2: he looked at me and he said, man, you you're 1736 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,439 Speaker 2: too generous. Man like what it says the guy with 1737 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,680 Speaker 2: a billion dollars. He's like, he says, I'm not like you. 1738 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,360 Speaker 2: I'm not as good as you. I see how you're 1739 01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,320 Speaker 2: always giving back and all that. He says, I'm not 1740 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,200 Speaker 2: He's like, nah, I don't give back. He said, you 1741 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,720 Speaker 2: know why when I died, my grandchildren I got the 1742 01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,240 Speaker 2: more college. That's it. They're not getting my money. You know, 1743 01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,200 Speaker 2: like wow, you know. So I would tell everybody to 1744 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,840 Speaker 2: give back, have a cond heart, get back to the 1745 01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,880 Speaker 2: less fortunate. If you ain't got none to give back, 1746 01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:42,160 Speaker 2: give back your time, whatever you could do for your community. 1747 01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,960 Speaker 2: You need to do that man, and and try to 1748 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,000 Speaker 2: mentor the youth. I always try to tell him the 1749 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:49,479 Speaker 2: right thing. 1750 01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,800 Speaker 1: I've been seeing you a lot in Washington, DC lately 1751 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,840 Speaker 1: as well, So tell us about what's going on there. 1752 01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,800 Speaker 2: Just fighting health price transparency. You know, I teamed up 1753 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,439 Speaker 2: with an organization to the patients. One of my friends 1754 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,680 Speaker 2: is the founder, Kevin Morra. He's been there, he's been 1755 01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,360 Speaker 2: my friend for over twenty years. So he teld me 1756 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,120 Speaker 2: what's going on in America and how many people it's 1757 01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:17,240 Speaker 2: over one hundred million Americans in debt due to health pricing. 1758 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,000 Speaker 2: There's one hundred million, they but three one hundred million, right, 1759 01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,080 Speaker 2: so that's one in three and people losing their families. 1760 01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,960 Speaker 2: You know, when you go to the hospital, you sign 1761 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,280 Speaker 2: over a waiver that says if you can't pay, they 1762 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,880 Speaker 2: could take your property. And you know, I read up 1763 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:38,439 Speaker 2: on this Amish family where they had a granddaughter and 1764 01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,639 Speaker 2: she needed a kidney and they were afraid to take 1765 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,920 Speaker 2: her to the hospital and sign the papers because they 1766 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:49,200 Speaker 2: were afraid of losing the farm to get her a kidney. 1767 01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,320 Speaker 2: And you know, people are scared to go to the 1768 01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,240 Speaker 2: doctor because of the price. So you see you walk 1769 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,559 Speaker 2: around New York, you see people limping, people just getting 1770 01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,800 Speaker 2: worse and worse because they what do you do You 1771 01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,559 Speaker 2: send your kid to college or you fix your leg 1772 01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,879 Speaker 2: or you know, and this is going on like crazy, 1773 01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,439 Speaker 2: and you know, there's actually a law out there that 1774 01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,760 Speaker 2: says you got to enforce and you got to tell 1775 01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,040 Speaker 2: people the price when they're going there. And for some reason, 1776 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,920 Speaker 2: they're not enforcing this, and so we're bringing awareness. So 1777 01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,240 Speaker 2: I've been going to Hollywood. Yeah that's Washington is sort 1778 01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,919 Speaker 2: of like Hollywood, right, So I've been going to Washington 1779 01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:33,080 Speaker 2: dealing with all the politicians trying to get a law pass. 1780 01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,640 Speaker 2: And Senator bron and Bernie Sanders came up with the 1781 01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,479 Speaker 2: law but finally says you have to tell us the 1782 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:45,120 Speaker 2: prices not estimates estimates to be us. We want to 1783 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,080 Speaker 2: know what it is. And you know what does that 1784 01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,439 Speaker 2: do for you? It creates competition. Say, I gotta go somewhere. 1785 01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,720 Speaker 2: I got to get an MRI. I pull up my 1786 01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,120 Speaker 2: three favorite hospitals. One of them is, believe it or not, 1787 01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,360 Speaker 2: one of them will be twelve hundred, one of them 1788 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,599 Speaker 2: would be twenty eight thousand, one of them will be 1789 01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,080 Speaker 2: seventy eight hundred. Of course I'm going with the twelve hundred. 1790 01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,360 Speaker 2: But it makes competition. Now they could charge you whatever 1791 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,760 Speaker 2: they want. Yeah, So shout out the powers to the 1792 01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,280 Speaker 2: patients and all the politicians. Let's make this happen. 1793 01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's needed. I mean I moved from London to 1794 01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,760 Speaker 1: the US eight years ago, and in London we have 1795 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,519 Speaker 1: the National Health Service, the NHS, which is available for 1796 01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,920 Speaker 1: everyone for free. But then and then you have private healthcare. 1797 01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,880 Speaker 1: If you want, like, you know, a particular service, level 1798 01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:30,479 Speaker 1: of service you. 1799 01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,160 Speaker 2: Want to sweep, if you're gonna have a big bend 1800 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:33,719 Speaker 2: totally yes, then of course. 1801 01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,839 Speaker 1: But that's the funny thing. The private healthcare in England 1802 01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,880 Speaker 1: is actually private in the sense of it's it's an 1803 01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,960 Speaker 1: elevated experience. It's private healthcare here is like even when 1804 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,799 Speaker 1: I moved in, I was playing like five ten thousand 1805 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:46,160 Speaker 1: a year. 1806 01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,680 Speaker 2: Oh man, you're like, it doesn't you don't even get me. 1807 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't get anything. Every time I go for percent, 1808 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,799 Speaker 1: still gonna pay. Yeah, it's amazing. 1809 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,880 Speaker 2: It's all a gimmick, man. So we're bringing awareness to it. 1810 01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,280 Speaker 1: The shots brilliant man. No, that's really important. Yeah. I 1811 01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,599 Speaker 1: feel that we need to find a way that I can't. Yeah, 1812 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,720 Speaker 1: it's so sad to see how many people are on 1813 01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,920 Speaker 1: the streets or struggling because they can't afford their medical Yeah, 1814 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,400 Speaker 1: it's painful. Thank you for doing that. That's amazing. How 1815 01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,120 Speaker 1: can how can people support help? How can they learn? Actually, 1816 01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:16,040 Speaker 1: how can people. 1817 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,360 Speaker 2: Follow power to the patients? We always performing on the 1818 01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:22,120 Speaker 2: Instagram on social media. Uh, and we out there, man, 1819 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,080 Speaker 2: we out there. We're in their faces. We're going to 1820 01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,559 Speaker 2: get the job done and help the people. This is 1821 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,200 Speaker 2: another way of you know, helping the people using my voice. 1822 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,200 Speaker 2: You know, I used to say I'm a voice for 1823 01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,920 Speaker 2: the voiceless, but now I say I'm a voice for 1824 01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,600 Speaker 2: those unheard, meaning there's people they got a voice. 1825 01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,760 Speaker 1: Out and it's just you can't well saying thank you 1826 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,240 Speaker 1: so much, man, appreciate you. 1827 01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:45,880 Speaker 2: It's all live. 1828 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:48,640 Speaker 1: We did it, baby, we did it. 1829 01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:54,000 Speaker 5: Finally, it's in the books. If this is the year 1830 01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,200 Speaker 5: that you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more, 1831 01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,599 Speaker 5: I need you to listen to this episode with Rick 1832 01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,120 Speaker 5: Ruber on how to break into your most creative self, 1833 01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:07,240 Speaker 5: how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and 1834 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,760 Speaker 5: the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If you're 1835 01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,040 Speaker 5: trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's 1836 01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:15,479 Speaker 5: episode is the one for you. 1837 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,200 Speaker 3: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value, 1838 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,920 Speaker 3: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all 1839 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:21,960 Speaker 3: of the value. 1840 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,080 Speaker 2: That's the success 1841 01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,320 Speaker 3: Comes when you say I like this enough for other 1842 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:27,160 Speaker 3: people to see it.