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Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on. We go way way back.

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Speaker 1: We go way way back, but we appreciate you being

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Speaker 1: on the show, bro Man, and we're happy to have

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Speaker 2: Joe, thanks for having me. What took so damn long?

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Speaker 2: That's the real ship. What took so long? You had

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Speaker 2: to wait too? It time? You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: It's time now. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league, who was the

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Speaker 1: first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Damn? He was the first person to get me. So

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Speaker 2: I got my ship off first mash Burn right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: monster Man going at him working them preseason. It ain't

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Speaker 2: real yet, so I'm like, Yo, these dudes not as

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Speaker 2: nice as I thought they were. You know, he relaxed.

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Speaker 2: He ain't even went into the you know, overdrive yet.

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Speaker 2: So first game out the gate, I get a chance

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Speaker 2: to match up with him again, and everything just looked different.

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Speaker 2: Ship was real blurry. Yeah, Like I'm telling you, his

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Speaker 2: back to the basket game seventeen on end. He knew

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Speaker 2: how to get to his spots, some of the things

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Speaker 2: that I try to teach the players now. But he

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Speaker 2: was just automatic. Yeah, bump me airspace. I understand, like

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Speaker 2: the angles and the dynamics of that when I was

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Speaker 2: that young, because you know, you just this airspace. He

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Speaker 2: used to get me on time. He's a problem for me.

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Speaker 1: I know he couldn't beat me, and I can get

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Speaker 1: back to him. I can meet him at the rim.

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Speaker 2: I knew.

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Speaker 1: But it was some way, somehow he was getting this

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Speaker 1: shit off and he're going every time that shit was

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Speaker 1: fissing me off.

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Speaker 2: Nobody ever talk about him though, Monster Mash. Nobody when

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Speaker 2: I hear. When I came in, it was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's seriously.

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Speaker 3: We talked to them ones that really got the bop

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Speaker 3: against him though, you like, we didn't have cup and he.

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Speaker 2: Won them fight like yo, like Mash, like Mash was

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Speaker 2: a problem. It was silent. Yeah, didn't talk, just went

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Speaker 2: to work on your ass. Looked at you like after

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Speaker 2: he put on that demonstration, he looked at you. You

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Speaker 2: saw it. Yeah, yeah, you got that word, yo yo yo.

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Speaker 3: We live on location Las Vegas, Nevada, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: NBA Summer League.

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Speaker 2: Man, we are here at the Beautiful Excess Nightclub.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate the hospitality and we got the views and vice.

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Speaker 3: Y'all might hear some of the views in fact pool

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Speaker 3: side right there, cracking people out there having the time.

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Speaker 2: But we in here doing business. Man.

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Speaker 3: We got very special guess man, the blackest one here

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Speaker 3: with me, and this is a mid West Swain. But

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Speaker 3: we got family in the East Saint I'm shot town.

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Speaker 3: We got racing see b Ryan Butler. Man, Hey, listen

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Speaker 3: right now, head coach of the Summer League for the

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Speaker 3: Miami He soon to be head coach in the league.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna keep that load o the time.

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Speaker 3: And we got family. Y'all sit back and relax.

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Speaker 1: The first time I met you was when I seen

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Speaker 1: you in Purdue at this term, I just started playing

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Speaker 1: aau ballast. Yeah, I just started playing au ball and

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Speaker 1: I'm playing with the Illinois Warriors.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it's my first time.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing, like sixteen you, it was sixteen you because

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Speaker 1: you then were seventeen years so it was sixteen you

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Speaker 1: and y'all kicked our ass, and I remember, y'all.

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Speaker 2: You was like yeah you, oh yeah, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: We started shaking hands and stuff before the game, and man,

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Speaker 1: every since then, I was so pissed that we lost

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Speaker 2: Would see y'all.

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Speaker 4: What you remember about that game? And aau and look

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Speaker 2: My coach, wat Booker and Jamil Laguarre, my Muslim brother,

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Speaker 2: my mentor. He had came to me. He was like,

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Speaker 2: in order to get on that circuit, you gotta you

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Speaker 2: I saw just you being a KG type. You came

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Speaker 2: the right to left crossing. Just athletic had the whole package.

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Speaker 2: And I think Commings was with y'all too, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, no, that was our seventeen year. That's when we

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Speaker 1: The early year when we seen y'all had gurance them,

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Speaker 2: That was the first year.

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Speaker 1: Because we played against each other two summers back to back,

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Speaker 2: But I remember you was one of the ones. You

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Speaker 1: Saying, But you was one of the ones because you

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Speaker 2: Made that trip and everything. But but but the.

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Speaker 1: Thing is they was popping folks like they might not

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Speaker 2: Your dude. But how we was assembled. We took this.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time that happened because you know

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Speaker 2: we said, for the first time, let's get all these

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Speaker 2: Jamil had that vision where look, we could scrap up

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get into our relationship too much,

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Speaker 1: but how you got to playing basketball?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, you wasn't ranked, but.

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Speaker 1: Out of everybody that I seen, I always remembered you.

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Speaker 1: You was a go getter, so I know, like I

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Speaker 1: always tested my mic when I seen you, and I

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Speaker 2: A matchup.

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Speaker 1: When I see you, even though you wanted the rank guy,

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Speaker 2: Running through it's easy. We used to sit around and

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Speaker 2: watch all games too, Like I was like, damn, he

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Speaker 2: Kdi and all the everybody just peop in game watching

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Speaker 2: us go head to head. But the way that I

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Speaker 2: the name of Jimi Laguire who I mentioned. He was

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Speaker 2: had to go to Junie. I had to go to Welles.

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Speaker 2: I did eighteen months. When I got out, I got

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Speaker 2: out with restrictions. I was on the bracelet. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you remember this, but when I played

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Speaker 2: So I opened my mind up to the idea of

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Speaker 2: what we can identify with. But Jamil gave me a blueprint.

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Speaker 2: He said, look, you do this. I'm telling you the

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Speaker 2: worst case scenario. I'm gonna get it back from a college.

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Speaker 2: That's how he was talking to me. He was like,

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Speaker 2: you don't get it back from college, They're gonna take

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So you pick up a trade,

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Speaker 2: you ain't never got to worry about all this street

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Speaker 2: stuff no more. And that's how I processed it. So

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Speaker 2: that's how I got on the brace and the basketball team.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Butler told us about y'all because you

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Speaker 1: y'all go y'all gritty and go hard. So he was

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Speaker 1: telling us this and like, man, don't let them punk y'all.

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Speaker 2: They beat us. Maybe why you don't know what them

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Speaker 2: tried to beat them.

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Speaker 1: So bad every single time after that game we played

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Speaker 1: them because it was just something about them and they

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Speaker 1: weren't even one of the high ranked teams. It was

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Speaker 1: just a competitive edge that we always had great games

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Speaker 1: each other. Who gave you the ball, who put the

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Speaker 1: Your game was different. Carlos, Uncle Carlos.

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Speaker 2: He was like one of the baddest dudes out our city.

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Speaker 2: You know. You know, still to this day when you

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Speaker 2: talk about basketball in our city, they talk about Lows

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Speaker 2: was cold, but you know he got caught up in

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Speaker 2: the streets. But he gave me that pill, and we

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Speaker 2: hanger on the door, all that ship straight up.

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Speaker 3: At what point when you was like once you started

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Speaker 3: to take it serious, that you started to see like

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Speaker 3: like I'm alright at this, like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Until I start playing against dudes like this. Because that

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Speaker 2: was that was beach Gym. That was my coming out party.

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Speaker 2: That was your first time playing a big, a big tournament.

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Speaker 2: Everything else was local. It was like, uh, all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But he was like, hey, we were about to put

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Speaker 3: Listen, man, these young boys to fifteen sixteen deep into

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Speaker 2: Then boy, you sleeping for hours.

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Speaker 3: In the down the highway, the gym, You and you

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Speaker 1: Names, back to back to back, No, man, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So that's your first term. That was my first.

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Speaker 2: First coming out party and I wasn't supposed to be there.

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Speaker 3: Clearly after that, like the college is exploded coming to

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Speaker 2: It's too much. You want MVP of that time, MVP.

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Speaker 2: I was pissed about that time. Bro.

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Speaker 1: That was pissed about that time because I was playing pro.

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Speaker 2: That's when I hit sixty four.

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Speaker 3: When that's my point, I ever scored it against you

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Speaker 3: and ever in my life. I forget who he was

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Speaker 2: And went to junior prom. So I'm getting all this, man,

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Speaker 2: I got every start the book. I was out there

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Speaker 3: They was like, I'm like, yo, it's my shoe today,

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Speaker 2: I think it was one of the speech teams too,

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Speaker 2: I think. So you know they keep like three fourteen.

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Speaker 2: I could have liked I got tired. How I was tired?

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Speaker 1: Like you know, like you'ren'pposed to playing this tournament, like

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Speaker 1: I know how I looked that bit. This was like

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Speaker 4: Like it's like a new light to you. How did

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Speaker 2: So I walk in there and Jamil pumped me with

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Speaker 2: I was just I locked in to that, like they

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Speaker 2: And I was even looking at my teammates crazy.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh you think these motherfucker's better than me?

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Speaker 3: They like, no shit, were about to give you the rock,

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Speaker 2: And that's how I left out of there and still

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Speaker 2: on another Sports Illustrated. First, I would saying you fresh,

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Speaker 1: Were like, man, you know what, I'm fin the hoop

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Speaker 2: Me the realationship I could tell you, and just like

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Speaker 2: That's how I felt at that time, like young minded.

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Speaker 2: But then my homeboy, Drake King had got killed. He

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Speaker 2: and I had to process that shit and I was like, damn, bro,

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Speaker 2: I know what's gonna happen if I stay in this lane.

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Speaker 2: And the OG's that I have in my circle or

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Speaker 1: The last tournament we played with each other because everything,

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Speaker 1: out for you. H No, it was San Diego against y'all,

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Speaker 2: And that's what you found out.

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Speaker 1: You was like, man, I always thought you were from

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Speaker 2: And even when you had got drafted and I'll never

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Speaker 2: that's like that's crazy. Brothers, like this ship, like because

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Speaker 3: So okay, I'm about to go to the league, but

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Speaker 2: You know, y'all just doing the whole thing, like throwing

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Speaker 2: So it's a crazy ass man. I got kicked up.

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Speaker 4: I started the district like, I got kicked out the

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Speaker 4: It was just like because I came back from you know,

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Speaker 2: So they were like, he done. He's not gonna be

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Speaker 3: I was like, but I played one year, I was

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Speaker 2: Gonna remember when you signed. And I was like, well, Ship,

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Speaker 2: And that's when it went up. It was it was

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Speaker 2: Going to that earlier age. It was like I said,

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Speaker 1: When you started getting to colleges and you start seeing

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Speaker 1: to go to some of the names, because like yu Khon,

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Speaker 2: Whatever you think you kept yu Khan. He knew knew

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Speaker 3: He found that yu Khon played and then something he

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Speaker 2: But I was because I was happy for you, because,

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Speaker 1: I I knew everything that you did because I played

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Speaker 2: So I always followed you.

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Speaker 1: But you went to Yukon after coming off of what

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Speaker 1: been anybody else who could have got you.

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00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have easily been Saint John's. Oh you

435
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: finla go to Saint Johns's thought, Yeah, I thought about

436
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: it because I was trying to pair myself with a guard.

437
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: Oh look, so it was Omar Cook, it was Andre Baard,

438
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: and it was Talik Brown.

439
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: That was my face, so I said, I looked, I said,

440
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 3: I said, I'm going with one of them. That's how

441
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: I was looking past more than me. That's why I

442
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: chose him, and that's where I wanted to go too.

443
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 3: But then I was like, at the time, this is

444
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: my dog. I can't hate to say it, but I was.

445
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: Like, damn, Talik can't shoot, so he probably gonna just

446
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: want to get off of it anyway. So let me

447
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 2: just go with t Leak. You know, once he chose you, Kin,

448
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: we kind of did it together. We're gonna pair up.

449
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna go turn that out. Man, I didn't know

450
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: you wanted to go to Saint John's. Crazy Jarvis h

451
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: He loved Mike John. Yeah, I love Mike. That's why

452
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: I chose St. Johns. That's why I committed like early,

453
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: and you probably I can't even remember roughly, but you

454
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: probably was the reason why Saint John's is in my head,

455
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, just because it probably was

456
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: out there that you did that. Maybe just planted that seed.

457
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I committed early because Omar wanted to go to

458
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: North Carolina and North Carolina chose Adam Boommber Adam Boom

459
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, Adam.

460
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: Boom over over Omar.

461
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they that one't I like Adam

462
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: Boom but he won't know.

463
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Omar was different and king of New York when

464
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: he chose Saint John.

465
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: That that is I mean, like, man, I just chose them.

466
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: I went to the Midnight Madness and I was.

467
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: That's what history committed after that?

468
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 3: Did you expect when you got to school? Like you

469
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: know how we all well not we all. He didn't

470
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: go to school, so you don't know this different When

471
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: you get there, you do, whether you do Bridge, whatever

472
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 3: program you're in the summer, you get the hoop with

473
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 3: the squad, did you know, like before the season started,

474
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: like looking around after playing some some pickup and reck

475
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: or whatever, like just hooping with the guys. You're looking

476
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: around like i'mna be in this. It's about to go down.

477
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: Because you there as a freshman, you let him going

478
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: here and reb out. You had to have saw some

479
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: of that beforehand, Like yeah, y'all can't.

480
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Get it with you, Like they weren't built like you

481
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: on that squad.

482
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: So like it's crazy y'all say that because the open runs, right,

483
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: we come with the program and Edmond Saunders, Sulaman, you, Dane,

484
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: Scott Hazleton was all American. So you know, I'm talking

485
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: what's up? Like what what position you play with? Like yeah,

486
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: coach said, I'm starting. I was like, damn, that's crazy

487
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 2: because I know I'm starting. I'm like somebody I was.

488
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 3: So I never really went like like that in the

489
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 3: summer because I was feeling everybody out, gauging their tendencies,

490
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 3: watching what they did and when it came showtime.

491
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: Where coming here and all that stuff and being and it.

492
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 2: Was an operation shut down, just like I'm gonna make

493
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: y'all feel this energy. And dudes was just looking like damn,

494
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: like this his team like not this this his position,

495
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: he's a starter, No, this is his whole ship, Like

496
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: this his team quickly? Yeah, quick, like after day one,

497
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: it was did you feel more mature than everybody? I did?

498
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: You gotta think I already had a kid, so my

499
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: life experiences is just it's just different. So I wasn't

500
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 2: coming there. It was a business trip for me. I

501
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: wasn't coming to Yukon to go to parties and kick

502
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: it and frightenedize and see what your favorite color was.

503
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't old business. It was a business trip.

504
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: I was in and out. I love the memories, but

505
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: this was the step I had to take. I had

506
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: to dominate this platform to go to the NBA. Did

507
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: you see the level?

508
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: How was the level when you started just playing against

509
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: you in the Big East?

510
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: Like you in one of the.

511
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 1: Best conferences ever known to me? To man that you're

512
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: playing there, it's dogs all the way through y'all conference?

513
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: And how did you testing your game against the Big East,

514
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: against the other powerhouse.

515
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: The physicality of the game was perfect, right, you know.

516
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: It was hard, it had paced and it was slowest

517
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: at the same time. But the reason I specifically wanted

518
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: to go to Yukon is because the wheel sets and

519
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: the action for the perimeters, particularly the forwards. Richard Hamilton,

520
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: Ray Allen Down, Neil Marshall, then myself. It was like

521
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: it was perfect and the sets only got tweaked. They

522
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: didn't change. And with organizations like Yukon, you know, they

523
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: don't rebuild, they just reload, so you're going to have pieces.

524
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: And I was just like, man, this this shit is

525
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: already set for me. All I gotta do is stay healthy.

526
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: If I stay healthy and then I stay in the

527
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: right mind space, it's over.

528
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: Like you said, you're in the Big East. This ain't

529
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: no no, it's a big time conference. When you go

530
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: out and lead the team and scoring and rebounding, you

531
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: know what I'm say, and it becomes your team. As

532
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: a freshman, was there it was there some temptation to

533
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: get up out of there? Was there any whispers or

534
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: that you you know what I'm saying. What was that

535
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: like in your manner after your freshman season? Was the

536
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: NBA calling? Was agents? I know how the agents come

537
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: calling trying to get at you. How was that for you?

538
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: That's a great question. I got it after my first year.

539
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: So it was like two games left in the season.

540
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: We didn't finish strong, but I had great numbers and

541
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: somebody had reached out to me, and there's like, you

542
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: probably should leave. It's always somebody gonna say. I was like,

543
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: I don't you know. I don't even know how that

544
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: process even worked. But I know I'm leaving at some point.

545
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 3: I just don't know how to process start.

546
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: So I asked coach for a meeting, and he said,

547
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: I knew you wasn't want to talk at some point,

548
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell you I got your best interest.

549
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: I know when it's time for you to leave. There's

550
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: somebody who I trust, like pure intentions. Coach got home

551
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: when it's time, trust me when it's time for Ray

552
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: told me he had to leave when it's time. Rip

553
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: Chip did everything he had to do. You gotta leave

554
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: your value high. He said, your value where you're at

555
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: the late first rounder right now. If you listen to me,

556
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: get your weight down, you work on this, work on

557
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: your mid range, seventeen on the end, face up game,

558
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: back to the basket, Karan, you will be a lottery pick.

559
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: I had to process that. He said, do you want

560
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: some some or you want some generational money? That was

561
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: like the game changing for me. So I knew I

562
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: had a specific call to action going into that offseason.

563
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: I played with the Olympic team. I did this, I

564
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: did that, checked all those boxes, and I came.

565
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: Got a gold medal. You ain't played with the Yeah,

566
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: gold medal. I was ready red gold medal Olympics.

567
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: Loo. How was that too? Because like the USA team

568
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: asked you to come trial for the team on the team.

569
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I didn't even process that to you. I got older.

570
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally don't understand it, like because like because we

571
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: looked at it like it's the.

572
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: Dream team is the only Olympian Like no, when.

573
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: Seventeen eighteen nineteen, that's just yes, and like just like

574
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: you said, I want that same go.

575
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: Man, it wasn't even nothing. We ain't trip. Was like

576
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: all right, let's get to the crib better than them.

577
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: We came.

578
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: But like that's like you say when you get old

579
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: to talk about that, like now realizing looking back, you

580
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, damn, Like I'm.

581
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: A gold medal Olympian. Yeah, the milestones is something crazy

582
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: and it only registered when you talk Like now I'm teaching.

583
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm head coach of the Summer League and I'm talking

584
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: to my players all the time and they do the research. Damn, coach,

585
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know you, you know, they get you all

586
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: this back. You're like, damn, I forgot about that. Like, bro,

587
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: like I was listening to you before, but now I'm

588
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: over listening to you because you've been through. But I

589
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: don't try to bring all that up. I just talking

590
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: real time in current space. But man, it was a

591
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: blessed and to be on those teams. The competition made

592
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: me better and great stories tell your kids someday.

593
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: When you knew it was time to go to the draft,

594
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: what made you make the decision?

595
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: Honestly, my daughter, my mother, like I wanted to retire.

596
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: I was like, Ship, I'm tired of her working at

597
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: the Sincorator simile line stuff. And I was thinking that

598
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: my daughter was came in old too. So my daughter

599
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: was roughly nine eight. Yeah, so I'm just like I

600
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: got to put myself in position to be the patriarch

601
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: of my family. And that's that's how I was thinking.

602
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: How was it when you declared and you you had

603
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: to you know, go through the process, get an agent

604
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: and all that going through. He don't know this part

605
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: about like me, the workout, going through the workouts and

606
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: stuff like that, Like, how mean because you only had

607
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: like three you was having yeah already he was only

608
00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: going here there Like that was your process? Appers, But

609
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying, Like we talking about for the

610
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: guys like us that have like in the teens, teens,

611
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: we had a wide range.

612
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: Like you for five yeah, Like so so how was

613
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: that for you? Like how many workouts did you do?

614
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: Like and we know it be that short window and

615
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: what was like how did you feel going through that process?

616
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: It was crazy because the Raymond brother is my agent

617
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: still to this day. Shout out.

618
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: Last night, and I like the thing I respected about him,

619
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 3: Like you know how you go through that process? Lot

620
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 3: dudes be say one thing, do another, Like he's one

621
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: of the dudes. Me and my brother, we flew out,

622
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: we did all that. You showed big love and he

623
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: was like look at the end, people, he kept like, man, listen,

624
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: you go to me as cool if lot, I'm always

625
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: I love for you. I'm an roof for you and

626
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: support you any way I can and never gonna be

627
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: like some bitter every single time I see him, Big.

628
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: Five, big hug. How you doing?

629
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: Asks about my sister and the family, it's always less

630
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: I got super respectful dudes.

631
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: He genuine but he had told me. He was like,

632
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: this process is gonna be brutal. It's gonna be some

633
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: questions because I, you know, I got hit in the

634
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: leg a couple of years ago, so I still had

635
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: like that whole fragment in my leg and I never

636
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: got it taken out. And he had told me about

637
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 2: that process, like when they do medical reports and all

638
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: that stuff, it's gonna be some you know, some issues

639
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: and things like that. But it was interesting because he

640
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: wanted me to align with all the players that they

641
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: had me ahead or was ahead of me, and a

642
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: lot of people asked. So that's what he did. He

643
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: strategically planned all the workouts so if Drew Gunn was

644
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: somewhere like done, gonna be somewhere he.

645
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: Whoever was ahead, he was like, you gotta go that workout.

646
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: So I was working back to back I did.

647
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: I did like seven workouts within like a fourteen day span,

648
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: flying into the cities. It wasn't a cat like my

649
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: gym where I knew the rims and yeah, just walking

650
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: you Jim all that ship flying to gym and you did.

651
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: I was the first time in the gym and roommates.

652
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: I can attest you did have a few flights, he said,

653
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: back to back, and like me, I was packing up

654
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 3: the city in that city, this city, that city. They

655
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: sending me flights and that's where he started to get

656
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: the tickets. Remember like, man, we got like ticket on

657
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: one trip here then come back?

658
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: Who do that? I went to Houston. Who came to you?

659
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: I went to Houston. The Nets Okay, a team actually

660
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: came to you.

661
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: The Nets was in Chicago. I worked out against QHM.

662
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Bust his ass, his ass.

663
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: Killing that boy.

664
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Never now bust looking at us like boy, y'all would

665
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: look like y'all about the fun my.

666
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: Oldest son, y'all looking at raising them up. Since I

667
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: was like, come on, now, killed that boy in the workout,

668
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: got loose one on one.

669
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: Tell me that murder murdered. I'm not gonna dignify that.

670
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: I have video footage of what really do you know?

671
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: Whatever we deal with that? This is what I want

672
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: to know, Like was it cause we all had that

673
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: feeling like it? Did you have any workouts? Well when

674
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: you got there, you left out for you was like,

675
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: all right, I know they gonna Houston. Okay, Houston was mine.

676
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: Houston one number one. They had the number one pick

677
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: and I was like, it's no way they're going to

678
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: take a kid they'd never seen before China.

679
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: Y'all. Me and my workout, John Lucas, Rudy T, Steve Francis,

680
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: kat Auden was there and I was going to that

681
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: was my best workout I had out of all of them.

682
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: I left there. I was like I laid and I

683
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: laid it down, like I'm the best, Like I could

684
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: play with them dudes right now. Yo, he the one

685
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: like he the one that Steve Francis franchise, like he

686
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: the one like make it happen if they're thinking that

687
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: it was a done deal and it almost got a

688
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: verbal like nod that it was done and you know,

689
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: the y'all mean thing. That's just something to to explore

690
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: it kind of kind of similar to what we're at

691
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: right now with it's a lot of talented dudes and

692
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: then you got this amazing avatars. You know, you gotta

693
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: explore that. You gotta see what that see what about?

694
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: So that's where I was at.

695
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: So how was it when you actually, like, because I

696
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 3: mean I watched you know what I'm saying. You get

697
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: to the green room and you've got your family doing

698
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: that whole experience is hot, and I'm like you, I know,

699
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: I felt like I should have went high. You did too,

700
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: You still got to be lottery, But how was it

701
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: for you to go through that experience and then like

702
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: when you finally hear your name called and you get

703
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: to walk across that stage and you know shake, Like

704
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: what was that? Because you know, for all of us

705
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: we watched that a million times on TV, and that's

706
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 3: like to a certain degree, that's the like we made

707
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: it moment in the way. You know what I'm saying, Like,

708
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: how was that whole experience for you? So it was

709
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: crazy because Spike Lee was I was at the guard. Yeah,

710
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 3: he was right literally right there, somebody just dropping major

711
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: flicks that was in all our households that we was

712
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: moved and inspired by. He's right there, he got the

713
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: garden chan your name because it was getting later in

714
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 3: that lottery a selection about seven eight, that's when they

715
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: start doing it. Charles Barkley like he's still you know,

716
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 3: it's fresh with tat he's still.

717
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: On the board. I don't know what people thinking he

718
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: the best player in the draft, and I'm like, oh man,

719
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: but I was nervous and I told Raymond, he's sitting

720
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: next to me. I was the man. I got a bathroom. Man.

721
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: They told me I couldn't get up because the shit

722
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: was live. I was like, nah, I gotta go bathroom.

723
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: I'm not waiting. And I feel like I'm here to

724
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: be one of those dudes. You know what I'm saying.

725
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm here to be one of those

726
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: dudes that go late in the first round or probably

727
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: second round, and everybody be like, what happened and how

728
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: you feel type shit? And I wasn't feeling that. And

729
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: I went in the back, you know, had to compose myself,

730
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: get myself together. And I said, Raymond, if you brought

731
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: me here, it's real talk asle say. If you brought

732
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: me here and bears me on national television' gonna suck

733
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: you up. I had to tell him that, just so

734
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: he knew. He was like, oh, brother, listen, were about

735
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: to pray, here, about to pray. This is about to happen.

736
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: It just relaxed. You're too tense. And while he was

737
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: in the middle of our prayer, his phone, little flip

738
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: phone is vibringing heat. Finished flipped it and he's like, yo,

739
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: you're going to Miami, and I'm like they still at

740
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: like eight or whatever. And we walked back to the table,

741
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: we sit down. I'm looking at him like, better go

742
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: to Miami. I'm gonna be acting crazy. And it happened,

743
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: and every emotion that I ever felt when you talk

744
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: about winning at the highest level, when you talk about sacrifices, sweat, equity, everything,

745
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: it was just like just let it all out.

746
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: And people don't understand that being in that position, like, man,

747
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: you gotta it's a lot going on. You got your

748
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: family here, it's supposed to be the biggest, best night ever.

749
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: And and because you watching people who you and your

750
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: heart and you feeling you know that you're better than

751
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: go in front of you, it's turning.

752
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: It's slowly turning into like this is.

753
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: Some bush and I'm not to do what I was

754
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: like just talk about that feeling of it, like like

755
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: you said, you got up and conro like, but I

756
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: had to wait till eighteen with them, and I was

757
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: sitting there like I'm like this, like, dude, gotta be

758
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: it's like that, like you said, with those all those

759
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: emotions because you sitting there and you're trying to contain

760
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: everything and keep together for moms, keep together.

761
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh national. It was me and mo P.

762
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: I had to act a courting but I thank god

763
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: that Raymond was there, that he let me vent, that

764
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: he listened to me. I thank god. And my mom's

765
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: was like, look, baby, it's gonna be all right, just

766
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: us being here as a blessing. That that was her mentality, like, look,

767
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: you got your whole family here, everybody proud of you.

768
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm better in all these I'm like,

769
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: She's like, you're good, You're good, and stay present. And

770
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: when it happened, you know, it changed our families live forever.

771
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: So it was just like one of those things. I

772
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: was blessed. How was it walking in there and you

773
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: finish on Hollered pat Riley. I was nervous. You can

774
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: see the God God, he was so smooth man he

775
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: uh you know, had to slick back, you know, walking

776
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: up and first class. They sent the plane for the family.

777
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: We flew down, stayed at the Mandarin, first class, everything,

778
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: big memo, all that, you know, and I get there

779
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: and Randy fun and Andy Ellensburg, everybody there, the Arison family,

780
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: you know, took a chance on the kid. That changed

781
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: my life forever. So I'm always forever grateful to them.

782
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: They here constantly. But you know, I just wanted to

783
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: commend him for doing that. But it was I was

784
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: nervous at first staying back Gundy this first time of

785
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 2: meeting him. He's a player development guy and assistant coach

786
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: and doing all the stuff that he's doing. But once

787
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: I got welcome in that energy, I just felt like

788
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: that was home. From the second I got there, I

789
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: was like, this home. It just feel right.

790
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know this, but back then

791
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: in them days, like you get drafted after you go

792
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: to your team, no matter what team you go to.

793
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: He happened to be coming to that team. So he

794
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: was a shoe in anyway. But if you blessed enough,

795
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: you kind of you get drafted. As Zoe something grew.

796
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: Talk to him, talk to him, let him know about

797
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: all the time.

798
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: To be alive.

799
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 3: People do not know our big dog, alizz O Morning

800
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: had the dopest charity eventful. I don't even know how

801
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: many years running, but like that was the first thing

802
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: he went to. He didn't get the experience in the

803
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: first year. Bro, you probably could no, no, no, this

804
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: is what happened. You know how they do the young boy.

805
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: I know you did, just like us. The rookies come in.

806
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: They got us going to the camps all week doing

807
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: a charity, you know, to give back.

808
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: So then by the.

809
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: Time we get to the weekend where it's supposed to

810
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: pop off, my man unfortunately call chicken pox from the kids.

811
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: Kids gave chi. You've got chicken pox my first time

812
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: in Miami.

813
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: And you know how they do the little the little

814
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: things for the kids and stuff. So you know, me

815
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: and Q before you with they sending us, you know,

816
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the mess with the kids at the camp. So we

817
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: playing and I get back and you know, I got

818
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: the chicken pox.

819
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: Dam I called my mama. My mama came down there.

820
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: And took it on the weekend, Sherry Shelley, everybody Takelly.

821
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: So so just talking talking to people about how like

822
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: that thing was the biggest thing. It was like ast

823
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 3: that weekend in the middle of the summer in Miami.

824
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: What is equivalent to that? Now that thing that drink

825
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: used to do is similar, right the fish Yeah, something

826
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: where he had games or they had the same time,

827
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: so he didn't have basketball he did. I think he

828
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: did at some point, but like it would be like

829
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: like rappers, entertainers and then like you know what I'm saying,

830
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: they Zoe consistently had like.

831
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: All start, the magic thing was nice. Zoe's was a

832
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: presentation because he checked every box every day. It was entertainment.

833
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: I don't even know how he was.

834
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: And then it was at that point like nobody was

835
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: like everybody everything was first class to flight, everything shut down.

836
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: The whole city staff was so good, man, the staff

837
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: was nice, nice, first class everything.

838
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: So tell me how was it for you to go

839
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: from that then to go to Summer League and just

840
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: like you said, get into that heat culture and start

841
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: to find out what it was like. Me and him

842
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: talk about this a lot. I feel like when you

843
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 3: get drafted to Miami, I don't care who you are,

844
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: you now are gifted with a better chance, Like if

845
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: you embrace this, if you accept this, you are gonna

846
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: be equipped with a better chance to survive anywhere else

847
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: you go because it's so much harder here. And it's

848
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: that old add is like when you do something so

849
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: hard for so long, everything else easy. And it's like

850
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: did you feel like that, like because you were one

851
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: of them people that went started there and went on

852
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: and you had a lot.

853
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: Of other experiences to compare it to.

854
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, you got that foundation to

855
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: know how to work and do all of those things

856
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: and be a true point. You was looking at other

857
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: places like oh this, how y'all do.

858
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: Lose like this? Yeah, I was like, these dudes loose

859
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: because think about this. It's certain things that you inherit

860
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: when you come to the culture. Professionalism criteria is number one,

861
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: but it's also you know the fact that you empty

862
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: yourself that this job, this business that we do, this

863
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: is the number one priority. This first thing is the

864
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: only thing. Like that's the mentality. And when I got there,

865
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: I looked at all the other guys that was you know,

866
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: drafted before me and after me. First thing they did,

867
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: they got their advance, They was able to float do

868
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: their thing in the summer. But in Miami, it's like, okay, way, body, fact,

869
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: these are call to actions. Just what we're doing. Oh yeah,

870
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: by the way, you can go home and say hi

871
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: to everybody, but you gotta be back. We're gonna give

872
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: you four to five days to live in that space,

873
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: but you gotta be back here this day. Just when

874
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: we start to get you right for summer league, and

875
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: it was just I was ingrained in the system. I

876
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: was plugged play, ready to do my thing. And that's

877
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: how we operated. So you had to learn schemes, you

878
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: had to learn the tendencies, You had to learn the dialogue,

879
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: the terminology, all on the fly. And it was the

880
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: best thing ever for me because if I didn't go there.

881
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: The habit is that you know, we're first generational riches

882
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: eventually wealth, but the habits that instilled with you at

883
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: that point when you first get these blessings, you need

884
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: that structure. If you don't have that structure, especially coming

885
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: from how we you know me, it's a recipe for disaster.

886
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: You don't have that structure. You didn't have no structure.

887
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: Clip over there, tell me this, how was it for

888
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: you to come right in and like, you know, we

889
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: had many battles, we's same position anything.

890
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: You came straight in.

891
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 3: The gate, rookie buckets fifteen, putting on and like playing

892
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: for a coach like Riley and playing for the Heat, Like,

893
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: how was that for you? And how did you like

894
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: how was your view of the league, Like it's something

895
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: that you've been waiting on working for and you come

896
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: right in the door, boom, passing this lone like you

897
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, hoop and let and like everybody

898
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: taking notice because you should have been drafted higher. And

899
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: that was heavily talked about, like how was all of

900
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: those things going for you?

901
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: And you know, I think, and I say this now

902
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: sitting in that seat in the summer League head coach,

903
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: It's like, your success is really if someone really believing

904
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: you don't want you to be successful, and the belief

905
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: that the Godfather putting me right out the gate. It's

906
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna put the ball in your hand. You're young,

907
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: but I trust you, go be great, go explore, make mistakes,

908
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna let you do your thing. And and

909
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: also having Eddie Jones and Zoel and Brian Grant being like, Okay,

910
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: this dude young, but we're gonna hurt you them, yeah,

911
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: and let him build his confidence and teach them in

912
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: the process. And that was that's all I needed. I

913
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: didn't need to constantly get schooled and stuff like that.

914
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: I just needed the freedom to make mistakes knowing that,

915
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 2: you know, I had a long leash rather than the

916
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: short leash, and pat Riley gave me.

917
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: That like now, you know what I'm saying. We get older.

918
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: You know, when you're young, you probably even think about

919
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: it like that, but like as you got older, that

920
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: you ever look back, or even now when you stop playing,

921
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: look back and think like damn, Like like he just said,

922
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: the Godfather pat Riley entrusted you with the rock and

923
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: gay and said, hey, young go get it.

924
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: And Dna said it ain't just like him as the

925
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: coach did that. You got legends, you got Zoel, you got.

926
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: B Grant, you got Eddie Jones. That also was like

927
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: go ahead, young fella, we see it. Like did that

928
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: ever you think about that?

929
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: Like damn, that's crazy man, That all dudes I grew

930
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: up watching and idolizing, and on my way home I

931
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: would I would just I was, damn this, this feels

932
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: like a dream like that, that is happening like that,

933
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: And still to this day, I'm Godfather hit me right

934
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: after the Sacramento game, won my first Summer League game,

935
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: first game as a head coach, and you know, he

936
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: shot me along lengthy test just telling me how proud

937
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: he was of me and the way I executed and

938
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: got the guys ready. And I was I was just

939
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: sitting there. Still to this day, I'm like, damn it,

940
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: like we're sitting here, you know, we chopping it up

941
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: and all this ship is it's a it's a vision,

942
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: it's a dream. You know you want it to happen,

943
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: but it's just it's surreal still, but you keep taking

944
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: steps forward in it. But it's surreal, y'all. Draft d

945
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: Wade and y'all get a little more old on.

946
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: Like that year specifically, y'all was a young, little rowdy team.

947
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: Like just explaining that year when it was you lo

948
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: O and d Wade and just playing with them.

949
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: People don't recall how that year started out.

950
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: That's what I was about to say with the resignation,

951
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: tell me, because he told us how it was literally

952
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 3: out of it. He was like, everything's going fine. Then

953
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: he was like, y'all was about to go have either

954
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 3: walk through or president and Pat called him in and said, yeah,

955
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: you're ready. He was like, yeah, were ready, Like as

956
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: far he talked about tonight, No, no, no, you're about

957
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: to do this. Somebody in stands like the like, tell

958
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: me how that was, Like we got stands perspective from

959
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: like how hept like how was that when the world

960
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: came down to y'all as players? How did that get

961
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: presented to y'all on y'all perspective on.

962
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: That the one thing you know about our cultures were

963
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 2: on time, on target, first time, every time.

964
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: And.

965
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: That that day was a little off and the Godfather

966
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: telling us a story about Kareem and how he knew

967
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: that it was his time to step away from the

968
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: game right and how his father rode with him, I

969
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: think on the bus or whatever the case may be,

970
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: and he had a help of a performance, but he

971
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: knew that it was time to close that chapter in

972
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: that luck in his life was basketball life. It was

973
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: kind of similar to that where he said I'm walking

974
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: away from this and he trusts staying to be at

975
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: the helm and lead us going forward. And we was

976
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: all shot. To me personally, immediately, I was like, damn,

977
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: is this something like was we not good enough or

978
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: something we wasn't doing right that just like, yo, I

979
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 2: ain't got time for this. But it was just he said,

980
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: you know when you know, you know, it was just

981
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: there was just time and nothing to do with the players,

982
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: the personnel anything, because we felt like we was talented,

983
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: so that's what we started off the season with. And

984
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: we started off playing so bad Ohero and seven couldn't

985
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: well in every game, showed flashes, but just couldn't piece

986
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: it together, put it together. And then all of a

987
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: sudden we hit our stride. I think we wore like

988
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: twenty out of thirty two games or some something crazy

989
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: and ended up making the playoffs as a young squad

990
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: and the Wade coming to his own where put him

991
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: in the pick and roll and he became Flash. You

992
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. We was running a lot of

993
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 2: will actions like the iris and stuff, and Eddie Jones

994
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: pinned downs and like, you know what, Like put him

995
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: in a pick and roll because can't nobody guard him

996
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: just before people doing blitz coverage and all that stuff,

997
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: So put him in it. He's splitting everything, living in

998
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: the paint and that's when he became Flash and the

999
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: team excel and the rest was history.

1000
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: So having a year like that and seeing promise and

1001
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: hope and then the next year is changing.

1002
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: Just like that. How was that for man? That was

1003
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: the one of the saddest days of my life, getting traded.

1004
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: That's when I got introduced to the business. Yes, I

1005
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 2: was coming back from Antigua a trip for the heat,

1006
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: and I'm walking through the airport's TV's everywhere and they're

1007
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 2: talking about the trades and stuff happening, and like Shaq

1008
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: coming to Miami. I was like, yo, we about to

1009
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: were about to run through the league me, Shaq, Lamar,

1010
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: b Grant Eddie. You ain't put the counter, nobody got

1011
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: a leave. I'm like, so I'm just going through it,

1012
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: just adding him. Ain't some checking.

1013
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: Then I'm like, yo, we're about to Oh man, I

1014
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: was like the league in trouble.

1015
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, it was like, uh, I think

1016
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: you and Lamar might be in the deal. Man. I

1017
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: was like deflation and me and de wayde neighbors. So

1018
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:43,479
Speaker 2: he come out of the crib.

1019
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: He was like, man, I don't even want to play back,

1020
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to do this though, bro, you

1021
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: ain't here My brother.

1022
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: Like were so tight, damn. And then it was confirmed

1023
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: and I asked Royle. I was like, man, I just

1024
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: bought the house. Man, I just bought my house. And

1025
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: he's like it's a great investment.

1026
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: You know, like that's part of the business and great investment.

1027
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: And I was just like, oh snap, and then I

1028
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: had to process it. And but I will tell you this,

1029
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: the Godfather, he uh, he wrote me letters when I

1030
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 3: got traded. He kept coaching me. He kept coaching me.

1031
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: He kept moving to the needle in my process because

1032
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: it was something he saw in me that he was

1033
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: connected to. And he just kept moving the needle on

1034
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: my process. So when I get the envelope and I

1035
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: get the little blue papers put the letter on it,

1036
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh man, he's still pouring into me.

1037
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: You're thinking about it. Yes, it's dope.

1038
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: Tell me how it was it when you you know,

1039
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: after you get through processing, now you gotta you gotta

1040
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: head that lane. You're going to going to go play

1041
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: with Kobe. That was crazy, Like what is that like

1042
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 3: when you first day you meet him and or the

1043
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: first day he takes you after the trade, Like what

1044
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: was your first communication when you was coming to the

1045
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: team with code?

1046
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: It was like a pair of press conference. So I

1047
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 2: don't know, Kobe signed one hundred and thirty six million

1048
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: dollar contracts. I'm crazy like that, like one of the

1049
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: biggest of its our time. At the time, we at

1050
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: the press conference, we're doing our conference for the trade

1051
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: in his for the signing and immediately, you know, this

1052
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: first time I seen code he reached out. I didn't

1053
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: know it was him. Like crazy, I'm feeling all weird,

1054
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: Like damn, I miss this's car and shit, I'm like

1055
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: thinking all that first thing he said, he was like, Yo,

1056
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: ready to fucking black out, just looking at me, and

1057
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, like what what the fuck is it? Black?

1058
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: Like what that means? He's like, Yo, We're about to

1059
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: fucking black out, about to take this ship, Like you're

1060
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: taking this to another level. And I'm just like, all right,

1061
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: be here tomorrow, like five thirty six, all this shit.

1062
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: Give me times and I'm like, all right, what you

1063
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: need them? Yeah, we're blacking out. This was fresh off

1064
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: him signing, and this's the first year where it's like

1065
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: because they gat rid of shot. This is not is

1066
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: my ship? Yeah, this all my show.

1067
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: They just like doctor Buzz just took the faith in

1068
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: me and say it, Joe, your key, you take us there.

1069
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will say this, all the stuff that

1070
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: I was learning in Miami about professionalism compede the highest

1071
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: level ten X communication. I seen it in real time

1072
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: with Kobe. He was with an actual player. He was

1073
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: all that when you talk about the work ethic, the shots,

1074
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: the preparation, the film, coming back, same thing, discipline, the time,

1075
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: equity into it.

1076
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, just do this relentless. But I

1077
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna do everything like you do.

1078
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: I chase you. Yeah, I'm chasing you, and I ain't

1079
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: gonna take the gas like I'm chasing you everywhere. And

1080
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: I was in shadow for that whole year.

1081
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: You come into my organization like Miami, then you run

1082
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: into a leader like Kobe.

1083
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: It's a blessing. Man, It's a blessing. Till this day.

1084
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: I always tell folks and I know, tap into it.

1085
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: But just the impact that he had on my life

1086
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: from a basketball standpoint changed it. But then also from

1087
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: an information to life, there's so many parallels and sports

1088
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: to life. He had me thinking differently about what I

1089
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: wanted my legacy to be. Start compartmentalizing ham a pivot

1090
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: into business and things like that. And I'm an architect

1091
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 2: like the rest of my future, Like he was mapping

1092
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: out things and I wasn't even I couldn't even think

1093
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: at that level that I was.

1094
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: We got the Knicks tomorrow, like Clippers tomorrow, Like I'm

1095
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: thinking like that he liked, oh he was thinking like

1096
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 3: all the way then you know what I mean? And

1097
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: he changed my life ever in that capacity.

1098
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you just speak on that, like you want

1099
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: a few people who had a relationship with COVID that

1100
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: he trusted in to have something with you that was

1101
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: more than a teammate, you know, was more off the court,

1102
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: family wise and all that stuff. You had a chance

1103
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: to see him in a different light than the world.

1104
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: And speak on that.

1105
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: Just the type of person and the thinker and the

1106
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: creator of the artist, how much he was everything. He

1107
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: was so much more than what we actually think he is.

1108
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: But I would say this, when the news hit and

1109
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: the tragedy happened, everybody saw it from a different perspective.

1110
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: You know, obviously the empathy poured out. And you know,

1111
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: because he was so great, because he was the ultimate competitor,

1112
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: he always got dehumanized, like when you visualized him, because

1113
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: he was just so great, he was so dominant. But

1114
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, for the first time ever,

1115
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: you saw people have empathy in the situation and see

1116
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: Kobe as just Kobe, a father, a husband, a brother,

1117
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: a son, a friend, a mentor, all those things. And

1118
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: that's how I always saw. That's how our relationship was.

1119
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: We talked about family, we talked about our girls, we

1120
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: talked about trips, we talk about things that we see

1121
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: as therapy. You know, before you know, mental health and

1122
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: all those things was an issue, business deals, anything, we

1123
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: always talked about it. I asked him about his vision

1124
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: and what direction he was going in. He always made

1125
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: time for me when even I know he didn't have it,

1126
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: he made time for me in it. That's why he

1127
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: always will be a brother. And Vanessa and the girls,

1128
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, I love him authentically and purely, and I

1129
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: reach out to her all the time, just making sure

1130
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: that they're straight. They haven't need anything. I'm always there. Yeah,

1131
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: but he was just he was everything.

1132
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: Bro, Tell me this, how was it when you get

1133
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: when you get traded and you go to the Wizards

1134
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: or did you sign with the Wizards. Well it was

1135
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: a sign track, Scientrick, But that's kind of like you

1136
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: just make that choice to go get that bag.

1137
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: Well, they had that situation with the Lakers where they

1138
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: wanted to give me thirty I think it was thirty million,

1139
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: and Luke Walden it was like kind of putting me.

1140
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: They're trying to package yourself, Luke can get it and

1141
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: I can get it right or he was looking at

1142
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: like the cap space other places and it was like, damn,

1143
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: the Wizards got fifty. I can go over there and

1144
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: just you know what I mean, get that and it's

1145
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: a great city. And plus Larry Hughes was just leaving,

1146
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: and so that whole third person to kind of carry

1147
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: that weight another twenty point. It was perfect fish.

1148
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's it just worked out perfectly once you

1149
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 3: got there, Like how they because obviously, like you said,

1150
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: y'all hit it off right away. You fit right in,

1151
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: Like talk about that fit with Twan and Jill over there.

1152
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: Gilbert was amazing. I didn't realize how good, even like

1153
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: offensively gifted. He was like a prop. Yeah, people don't.

1154
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: People don't realize, and you know, you see all these

1155
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: other guards and you know, now I'm in this seat.

1156
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: You know, don't want to go to deeper names, especially

1157
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: with all the stuff we got going on. But it's

1158
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 2: like he had everything. He had everything, shooting the ball,

1159
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: turning around game winners, like he was blogging before this

1160
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: stuff was even a thing my space. Yeah, he's doing everything,

1161
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: and you know, Twine just silent Assassin on one thousand game,

1162
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: but was fucking never never, no whole guy.

1163
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: Get his move, he passed the shooting his move, he

1164
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: gets the repound right back up him.

1165
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: Jump. I can't tell you how many times in the

1166
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: game somebody said, do he work on that ship? You man?

1167
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: Do he even work on that ship? Like? How do

1168
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: you even do that? He was different, that's the person.

1169
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: Making your first All Star team? Where was you when

1170
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: you heard that you made the All Star team?

1171
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: Toronto? We had a game and we all was in

1172
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: the airport some somehow, I don't know what the hell happened,

1173
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: but it was in the airport. Got a call and

1174
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: then everybody like sat down. I guess they knew already.

1175
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: I sat down. I'm chilling. They was like, oh uh,

1176
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: somebody want to talk to you. I think when our

1177
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: trainers or something came. I was like, yeah, I want

1178
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: to tell you man, like we're good. Like everybody gets

1179
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: serious and ship like everything. Like I'm thinking to my

1180
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: mother brothers, I'm like, what's going on? Mind racing? Like yo,

1181
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: you got selected to the All Star I was like that.

1182
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: That blacked out, like oh ship, like I hear cold,

1183
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 3: Like yo, You're like yo, man, come on, man, that's

1184
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 3: what the fuck we do. Man, Like you know you

1185
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: tapped in and you blacked out, and this.

1186
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: That's what happens Ben, you know Gilbert, and they wanted

1187
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: me to be so success Yeah, and Twine, Like I

1188
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: say this purely, like those dudes were so unselfish as stars.

1189
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

1190
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: They wanted again because a lot of people give him,

1191
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: give him is how gil it is, and they think

1192
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: he's just such a selfish person.

1193
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: Is one of the best dudes. I'm gonna tell you

1194
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: about Gilbert is, you know, give it funny. When God

1195
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: made him, he threw away the mold Gilbert's guilt. But

1196
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: when you talk about unselfishness, when you talk about you

1197
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: know what, like one of your teammates to have success,

1198
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: real want somebody to rock with, Like he wanted that

1199
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: for me. Damn. Like dude, all start Twine like damn

1200
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: boy boy, Like, let's go.

1201
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 3: I just thought it as he talking, He's gonna have

1202
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: one of the craziest that team ship ever watched. Go ahead,

1203
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, he wanted me to have

1204
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: that moment crazy And I was like, Damn, that's dope.

1205
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: So how was it.

1206
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 1: Just being the Wizards and having to battle against because

1207
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: you the guy that have to go on Lebron in

1208
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: the era, Like.

1209
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: Let me tell you talk about that era with y'all,

1210
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: y'all having no awards, with the with the rap songs,

1211
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 3: with D Steve.

1212
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,919
Speaker 2: It was too much. It was too much shit going up, man.

1213
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 2: I would say that right out the gate. I was

1214
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: in the club one of our playoff series and somebody

1215
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: had literally brought they's had CDs, brought the CD, brought

1216
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: the CD in the in the club in the middle

1217
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: of our playoff series. Now, this is that time where

1218
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: you know we still go out kick it and playing

1219
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: the game still. So I guess we had a game

1220
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: in between and something. I'm at a love nightclub task

1221
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: promotion task of Cleveland. Dude, Ohio, he got the whole

1222
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: cave squad in there, Lebron in there, and this is

1223
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: right when D Steve said he overrated and whatever. So

1224
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: they bring the disc in and I'm chilling.

1225
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 5: They're like, hold on New jay Z, New jay Z

1226
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 5: Fresh era when he's going there, Like so I'm like

1227
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 5: that cut the music, the rock rock in the building

1228
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 5: all this ship.

1229
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: Dude. They put the put this this on blow your whistle?

1230
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: Did this so? And I'm listening and I'm like, oh, ship,

1231
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: he talking about my dog? He talked. I said, man,

1232
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: you motherfuckers are like, y'all cut that off. It's our

1233
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 2: motherfucker city, y'all cut that ship off. I said, man,

1234
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: I never spend money with you motherfuckers again. Like just

1235
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: like I was like, I lost it. I was hot.

1236
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: I said a lot of other stuff too.

1237
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 3: I left. I ain't paid the bill that day. I

1238
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: was out, you know, like they had this right up

1239
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 3: like y'all in there and they and then they put

1240
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: that ship.

1241
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: Did us wrong? Man? In our hometown. We spent a

1242
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: lot of money. And after that.

1243
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 3: D Steve had they had Soldier Boy, Jim Jones had

1244
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: Sugar Night pull up.

1245
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: At the game. It was just it was a lot

1246
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: of movie at yo.

1247
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: We got a gage, like we have a game, but

1248
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 3: it was a lot of movie pieces. Yeah, it was

1249
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: a lot, bro. But Lebron was a problem.

1250
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you.

1251
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 3: Blitz Zone shows every.

1252
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: Copy everything, everything he could see over the coverages. He

1253
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 2: he killed everything we threw at them. Everything he threw

1254
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: everything we threw at them. We killed respectfully. He killed

1255
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: it talk.

1256
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 3: About when you got to Dallas, bro, like you and

1257
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 3: already you already know what that's all about. You've been

1258
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: you a vet, now you'ven have been a few different places.

1259
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 3: You'd have been here there, but now you in Dallas.

1260
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: Best in the game.

1261
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 3: You know, you know about you know about Big Dirk.

1262
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: You got y'all got tricks. Still, y'all got tricks.

1263
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: Stay turned. Yeah, man, I was just with tricks yesterday

1264
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: at our board meeting. Uh tricks, bunny as hell.

1265
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1266
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: My biggest thing was my time ran out in d C.

1267
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: My love for DC. He would always be there like

1268
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: that's my second home. But my time near ran out

1269
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: from a basketball standpoint, and I was exhausted and I

1270
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: needed change of scenery with so many things that happened there,

1271
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 2: and change your ownership. It was a fire sale, and

1272
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like damn, like I hope I

1273
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: land in the right spot. And Raymond had told me

1274
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: that Dallas. You know, you go to Dallas, you don't

1275
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: win a championship with this team. And the trade end

1276
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 2: up happening, And I also played with my longest tenured teammate.

1277
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 2: We got traded together, Brendan Haywood. So we go there, Brendan,

1278
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: would we go there? And immediately Dirk just he had

1279
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: that like he had that Kobe vibe to him, not

1280
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: with the communication and talking, but just the worst ethics

1281
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: was what he was on. He was on business. He

1282
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: already got hurt where he lost in the finals. He

1283
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: felt that energy and he was just on the mission

1284
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: to accomplish that.

1285
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 3: You got hurt down the stretch of that thing January first,

1286
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 3: But how was that to still you know what I'm saying,

1287
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: Like you were still a veteran presence on the team

1288
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: and I can remember, like, you know what I'm saying,

1289
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 3: the team even when y'all wanted them giving you the

1290
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: trophy because they wanted you to feel that too, Like so,

1291
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: so how was that for you just to see? Because

1292
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 3: that was a legendary run that Dirk went on right there.

1293
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 3: He really turned into like, I'm like the best player

1294
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 3: right now, Like he turned into like one of them dudes.

1295
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: Right now whispers can he? Or can he? And he

1296
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: annihilated all of it with that run.

1297
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: He went on like, so how was that to be

1298
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: able to you know, bear witness to that up close

1299
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 3: in personally? That's like another level with like even been

1300
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 3: back COVID you get to see this, Like how was

1301
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 3: that to see Dirk just turned from what people thought

1302
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: he was to who he knew he.

1303
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: Was and he tapped in. He emptied itself. I'll never

1304
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: forget the injury that I suffered. I had a teller rupture,

1305
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: blew out my knee January first, two thousand eleven, after

1306
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: our New Year's party in Milwaukee, you know, being the

1307
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 2: third leading scorer at the time, we was like the

1308
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 2: number one seed, playing our best basketball, and when the

1309
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 2: injury happened, we go in the back dirt. One of

1310
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: the first ones came back there like you good. I

1311
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: was like, bro, I never felt this one, Like this

1312
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: is different. Hold on you like what you like? I

1313
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: don't even thin gonna play basketball again, you know what

1314
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's how I'm thinking. And c like, hey,

1315
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 2: you good. You ain't going nowhere. Don't worry about nothing.

1316
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: And that was just confirmation to me, like all right,

1317
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: I gave everything to the squad, I'm still gonna be here.

1318
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 2: But also it was confirmation that I knew I was

1319
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: going to be a coach or teaching to some capacity

1320
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 2: at some point because during that whole run, I saw

1321
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 2: myself in a different light and how I can add

1322
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: value to that team. And what I saw up close

1323
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,479
Speaker 2: and personal from Dirk was just something and you don't

1324
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: get a chance to see too often and probably one

1325
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: of the best title runs in NBA history where you

1326
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: saw the team collectively rally around an asset that was

1327
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: removed bring some more assets on Pejia. He signed on

1328
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: with his late Corey Brewer signed on with his late

1329
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: Roddy buy was still working his tail off and doing

1330
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: all the necessary things. JJ Burrea wasn't in rotation like that,

1331
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: wasn't probably on the best of terms at the time

1332
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 2: where he was, but then he was the ultimate key

1333
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: piece because you put him in a pick and roll

1334
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: and he was unguardable. Jason Terry took his leadership and

1335
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: his production to another level of tricks. B Cardinal the Custodian,

1336
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. J Kidd, the recline in Legend,

1337
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Everybody tapped in be Wood,

1338
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: every like Tyson Chandler. It was just everybody just amplified.

1339
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 2: They said, bro, you will play again, you will play again,

1340
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: like we're gonna do this for you, and they rallied

1341
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: around a narrative and it was just amazing to watch

1342
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 2: it really was. It really was.

1343
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 3: When you got that title, when you got that championship.

1344
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 3: How was it to hold that trophy? And then you know,

1345
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 3: everybody get their day with it? What did you do

1346
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 3: with it? When you got your day? Man, I was

1347
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 3: sitting out ship. We all had our day after at

1348
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 3: where we're gonna live that night. Yeah, Cuban has detailed.

1349
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,440
Speaker 3: He has detailed it. Fascinated.

1350
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: He said his card declined at first?

1351
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 3: Did you know that the car look? He say dirt,

1352
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 3: he said, He say dirt. They had the big huge

1353
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 3: bottle and he say he went to dirt.

1354
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: He say dirt. Check the like you can't get the bottle.

1355
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: So he said, give me his bottle.

1356
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 3: Car like one hundred sometimes so he say, give a

1357
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 3: black card to the du They going to back.

1358
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: He say, after so.

1359
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 3: Long they all, you know, everybody's partying your dirt. Come

1360
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 3: to like what the fuck is the bottom? He like,

1361
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about. So he say

1362
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: they can't tell him that he need problem. He's like,

1363
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 3: he said, it's three in the one and two and

1364
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 3: them on whatever. They all going, everybody party like he's

1365
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 3: in the back office like he's low, he's blast and

1366
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 3: telling him like it's my card, it's not fraud, like

1367
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 3: look on celebrating the championship and like look right now,

1368
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 3: like he like a long stay.

1369
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: So they got it.

1370
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 3: Together and I didn't even know that. It was so

1371
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 3: crazy in there that night, Lil Wayne, everybody in there.

1372
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: And I do remember when they brought the bottle up.

1373
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: It was like five people carrying it, like like I

1374
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: was real, like a castle.

1375
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 3: They had the bottle and it was life size bottle.

1376
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 3: They carried it. It was crazy. Says he actually bought

1377
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 3: that bottle. He has it in his office. He still

1378
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: got it, not that one, he bought another one just

1379
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: having I was like, I don't know how they got

1380
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: that on the plane, but yeah, that was wild.

1381
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 2: That was one of the best experiences. And then when

1382
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: we got back to Dallas, just all the people that

1383
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: was out there, it was it was crazy.

1384
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 3: Tell me, is you feel like like your last couple

1385
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 3: of cents, Like because I was dead with you. We

1386
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 3: was in Detroit together, and I felt like that was

1387
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 3: like a beginning of like you saying, Dallas, you just

1388
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: kind of.

1389
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: Started to see it.

1390
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 3: But I feel like easily in Detroit, Sacramento, those last stops,

1391
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 3: it was it was really like okay, like you saw

1392
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 3: yourself as the OG and like you was really teaching

1393
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 3: and guiding and mentoring. Did those last couple of stops

1394
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 3: like kind of do it for you? Like, yeah, I

1395
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: probably do meet the coaching like because you had been

1396
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 3: doing it for like the last.

1397
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: Three four or five plus years, just with the.

1398
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: Young guys on the team, being a mentor being approached

1399
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: on them how to be a pro and all those things.

1400
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: Do you think those led like ultimately to you down

1401
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: this path to say this is what I want to do.

1402
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And also I'm glad you brought

1403
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: this up because I thought about you when I took

1404
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: the job right four years ago. I thought about you

1405
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: when I took the job, and I remember you was

1406
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: fresh out, bad motherfucker, like hell of a player, And

1407
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: I thought about the messaging when when you talk like

1408
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: you got the underboded attention in the locker room because

1409
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: you've been through those wars. People respect you. And I

1410
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: was like, damn, like damn you.

1411
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 3: Rich and Malik had me in Detroit, but I didn't

1412
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: even process that. But I was like I started thinking

1413
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 3: about was checking. Everybody say, yeah, how you go like

1414
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 3: transitioning to coaching, like that's different.

1415
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,759
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, damn. And then Tim Hardaway

1416
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: was there.

1417
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: Too, and I was I was thinking about all the

1418
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 3: dynamics and I was like, I know, if y'all had

1419
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 3: came in there and you know our offline conversations we

1420
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 3: was having. So if y'all ever came in there and said,

1421
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 3: I see me run through that break, I'm telling you

1422
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 3: this run is gonna happen, like I'm gonna do it

1423
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: because I trust your evaluation. And I was like, damn,

1424
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: I can really move the needle in this coaching. See

1425
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 3: I can do that for these up and comers, and

1426
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 3: I can give them truth to power, speak the real shit,

1427
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 3: speak their burbage, and you know, move their needle in

1428
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: their process.

1429
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: And that really like done it for me. It really

1430
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 2: did that. That really done it for me. But yeah,

1431
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 2: I had to tell you that man, give your flowers,

1432
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: because like you was therapeutic for me, Like it was

1433
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: therapy like talking to you because I was going through

1434
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 2: that process but still knowing that my ability age I

1435
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: can do it in windows, but I couldn't do nothing

1436
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: what I used to. But you know, transition process. You

1437
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 2: being near in the league, that y'all was helpful, man,

1438
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 2: it was real helpful.

1439
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: What made you make the decision of going back to

1440
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 1: the Heat and going to be a coach and be

1441
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: on that staff and be back in the organization.

1442
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 2: There's only two organizations that get it right, that do

1443
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: it right. And you know, obviously you know, no shading

1444
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: nobody else. But when you look at the disciples that's

1445
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: laying around the canvas of the NBA, that's great coaches.

1446
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: You think about the Spurs and you think about the

1447
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 2: Miami Heat. And when I had the opportunity to do that,

1448
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: I was on television. I was talking I'm with the

1449
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,799
Speaker 2: Lakers talking about the finals, and I'm working with Spectrum,

1450
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: me and James Worthy talking about the pick and roll

1451
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: situations and the dynamic agatting Downhill and having more real estate.

1452
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 2: And I guess they saw that like that.

1453
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 3: We like the way you chopping it up about the

1454
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 3: game and giving the solutions.

1455
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 2: I suppose like, hey, I want you on the staff.

1456
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: He wanted him too. It was him, me, Jim Jackson

1457
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: and somebody else. He's like, hey, you open it up

1458
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: like shit, like what that looked like? I don't even know?

1459
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: Can I still do my business stuff? Can I like?

1460
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: Can I be mobile? Like what does that look like?

1461
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: What's the commitment to that? And he broke it down,

1462
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: said all that add up? That look right? And I

1463
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: pivoted And I'm grateful that I did that. This best

1464
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: decision I made well on his way to being a

1465
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: head coach.

1466
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 3: Soon before we get you out of here, though, I

1467
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 3: won't talk to you about a lot of the You know, man,

1468
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 3: you didn't got You got entrepreneurship, you know what I'm saying.

1469
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: You and you get you on hotels, you on burger.

1470
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: Came, man got coffee start, But men got you didn't

1471
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 3: wrote books like tell me away from racing?

1472
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like tell me bro, like

1473
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: how did you?

1474
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like you've done a whole lot,

1475
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 3: like what led you to doing so many things and

1476
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: trying to be And I love the fact like you

1477
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I remember when you did your

1478
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 3: first first ball. I told you, like Dawn, that's dope.

1479
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, you you with the

1480
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 3: community like and a lot of people didn't.

1481
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: Got jersey retired this, that, and third, like, tell me

1482
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 2: how do.

1483
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 3: It feel to have a street in your hometown like

1484
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 3: where you started and had all of these things where

1485
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 3: you was getting in trouble.

1486
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 2: Folks was looking at you like you know what I'm saying,

1487
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 2: that's big, that's a major at the crib. That's what

1488
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: is that rank for you? Like and like, because that's

1489
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: not something that you we Ai'm for a lot of goals.

1490
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 2: I want to make the NBA. I want to make

1491
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: all stuff like that don't even come in a rim

1492
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: with the scope of a dog, Like how did that

1493
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: when you get bestowed that because you've done so much

1494
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: good and poortant to it? Like how did that make

1495
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 2: you feel? Man? Should I still cry about it sometimes

1496
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: because you know when you go on Google Maps and

1497
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 2: my kids roll down the street, like yo, I gotta

1498
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: pull up crime bullet Drive and just had that moment.

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01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: But also like when I talk about all the stuff

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: we were chopping it up about, I think about dudes

1501
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: that I lost on that block adversity I went through,

1502
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: and you know, to be bestowed with that honor, it's

1503
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: it's like like that's that's deep, Like that's hard. Yeah,

1504
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: because you know, from a business standpoint, you expect to

1505
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 2: do that because it's the grind in us. You know,

1506
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: you give us a lot, we can flip it and

1507
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: turn it to mo because our observation and our experiences

1508
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 2: in life, like we just natural hustlers and we just

1509
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 2: we're gonna multiply if you built like that and wired

1510
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: like that and we are look at this like look

1511
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: what y'all created out is man, So salute to y'all too.

1512
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: But that's one of those things for me that's right

1513
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: there at the top. Yeah, birth for my kids, stuff

1514
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 2: like that, Like that's right there right there at the top. Though.

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01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a lot of teammates, Yes, you had

1516
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:37,440
Speaker 1: a lot of teammates.

1517
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: You play for a lot of teams.

1518
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: If you had to pick four teammates that you don't

1519
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: played with in your NBA career to have a five

1520
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: to play with, who would be the other four teammates?

1521
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 3: And let me just say, I feel like here's gonna

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: be one that's going advance far in the brackets team.

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01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 2: And what boy, I'd have thought about it a little bit,

1524
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 2: would I said earlier? Go ahead, KD Chris Paul Kobe,

1525
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 2: that's boy, that's that's your full top seventy five, as

1526
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: his teammate can't look it.

1527
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: So you all right, hold on, Chris Paul at the point,

1528
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: Kobe at the two, Kobe at the two, You at

1529
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: the three, kd at the four, third at the five.

1530
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 3: All to come out and find space space space all

1531
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: top seventy five.

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 2: That's a crazy fun this. This is the other question

1533
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 2: I like to ask. Man. We all come from humble beginning.

1534
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 3: It's like not what you we know you we all

1535
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 3: took care of, you know, our parents and all that.

1536
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 2: I won't know what C B.

1537
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 3: Tough Juice did when you got that that that little

1538
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 3: change in your probably where you felt like, okay, I

1539
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 3: could do something to you know, to show myself some appreciation.

1540
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 3: What did you do it?

1541
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 2: Time out? Like, let me just put a disclaim.

1542
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: He got he missed the nice watch now like you know,

1543
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I learned some ship from him

1544
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 3: about watching.

1545
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: And this situations.

1546
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 3: So like I need to hear something because the man

1547
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 3: did you did the nice things? You're like you tell

1548
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 3: a little like one of the first early things that

1549
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: you probably look at it it could have been stupid

1550
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 3: and now we grown black We're good.

1551
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: We were coming. We're good. I'm gonna tell you when

1552
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 2: I first heard my name announced in the draft, after

1553
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: I got over the emotional ship, got to deal with

1554
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: my family, I immediately pivot and said, hey, could Jacob

1555
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 2: open the store? He went, because I need I need

1556
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: the one right now. I need the Jacob Watch right now.

1557
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: I need it, and I and I went after. I

1558
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 2: probably paid double for it that day. But because I said,

1559
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 2: I can't go nowhere. I just got draft. I'm a

1560
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 2: lottery pick and I don't have to watch.

1561
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 3: And they was, Jacob, you ain't doing nothing. So I

1562
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 3: had to go get the watch. I don't even know

1563
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: where to damn watch it. I don't even know what

1564
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 3: happened to it. I got lost in transit.

1565
01:18:59,720 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1566
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 3: It's a missed love so much jeorded somebody. They probably

1567
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 3: got kicked down to one of the nephews, the homies. Anybody, Well,

1568
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 3: real talk before we go, man. I just want to

1569
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: tell you, man, I appreciate the wards. Back in the

1570
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 3: day many we went against each other. Man and facts,

1571
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: it's twenty some years later, you know what I'm saying.

1572
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: Twenty five years later, Now we're here and.

1573
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see you made it. You know, one

1574
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: of the guys that I just remember going against. And

1575
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: so for phone, I'm glad we're here three six.

1576
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 3: Time talking like you know what I'm saying. That run

1577
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 3: y'all just was on like every time we do the

1578
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 3: tap in talking. We made show because like you know,

1579
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 3: I got love for Quinny League all y'all boys over there,

1580
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 3: like Coach Oh, Like Coach Oh was my main that

1581
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 3: was like everything more like dog when I lost all

1582
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 3: that weight that one year.

1583
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: That was me and Coach O.

1584
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 3: Every morning. I was with Coach Oh every morning. You're

1585
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 3: really crazy and he like, you know, Coach O, real dude, bro,

1586
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 3: Like shout out Coach O. But like that whole sting,

1587
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 3: like that's how called a AC. Like that's how I

1588
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: love the way and heat do thing. It's all in house.

1589
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 3: It's all for players. So it's like it's all love.

1590
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: Like we surprised you see, you'll know where you're here.

1591
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: You know I appreciate.

1592
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 3: So you know there's been another live on load. You

1593
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying with Seve b. Karan Butler, this

1594
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: is a Midwest.

1595
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: Swain, y'all. You feel y'all wouldn't understand it.

1596
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,120
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1597
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,080
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